The 8Ball & MJG Episode

Don't get it twisted on code and we ain't dancing for no buttment biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scar faces in the building. Collectively, we are to get old boys reloaded with another episode of information and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world in the studio eight ball and m J G. Yeah, ain't this jet? Are you guys are collective? Will? What do you do for your birthday? Oh? Man? What did I do? I just I just hung out? Man? You know what I did?

I went, I went, I went to grid Park. I did not get a hair cut, because listen, what I have here is is natural cuts. You ever heard natural cuts? That's right? So basically, you know you you the way your DNA works, My DNA works is that my hat don't grow for a month and then I cut it and then for a whole another month. It's stays like this. Everything no kind of like my bank no growth the win bank accounts. Oh good, oh you November one? Yeah, so so man, thank you man. So here's what happened. Man.

You know, I went to grib Park with some family, you know, some close friends. And grib Park is a is a food truck park, right, That's where I went. They want to take me to a restaurant. We go anywhere you want to go, anywhere you want to go, any restaurant, your favorite restaurant. I said. You know what, man, I been wanted to try this, This food truck called o MG. They make these uh potatoes, stuffed potatoes with with seafood, yeah, lobster and shrimp. You know I can't

eat you can't. We're not we're not talking about you were talking about. We're talking about me. What I wanted to talk about your birthday, what I wanted for my birthday. But you know what, my people are treating me to you know that. But it was beautiful. Man. So you had a baked potato for your birthday? Sweet? Yeah, I had a baked baked potato from my birthday and some cool leg Yeah was a great. Yeah, that's great. It was great. Yeah, you can't go. I can't go without

the great. So I've been on the road. Excuse me. Yeah, so I've been on the road with eight ball m j G for the past five years. Like, yeah, I watched eight ball transformation. He went from big ball to little ball, a little bigger ball. I'll be fluxu waiting. Man. First he was on that I ain't eating no meat still on that, man, and it's going to be three years no ship. I just started back even fish like three months ago. Maybe, Yeah, I told you that day.

Man inspired me that day. You'd be cool with the fish. Man. Just don't go back to the red meat. Oh definitely. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even think about it no more, Like it's not even a second. I'd be smelling good good. I'd be like, I don't have a second talk. Yeah, you know what I do. Man. When I gave up real meat, Man, I just started. I just thought I would just eat something and make sure you eat something before you go

to visit people. Don't go on an empty stomach to visit people, because then you'll eat whatever they have available. So that's why I used to do that a lot, Like take the pepperoni off the pizza. If it's just pepperonia, eat the just the cheese. I used to do that. Yeah, so that's my that's my eight ball story. Yeah, bellies normal. Yeah, my ship. Uncle used to got the bel of normal. He put my ass into that, put my ass through

a wall. I ain't working with you, and actually turned me onto a record that I hid from everybody when I used to go to the store, to the record store, and every time I've seen him, I buy him all because I didn't want nobody to have it. Yeah, it was Marvin Gaye Here my dear, best fucking album I ever heard in my life, and I did not want I was selfish with that album. I did not want nobody here that ship. I didn't want nobody to hear it.

It was like Morven Gay's wife there something would say it was selfish and his wife was unselfish when he gave up that album because he gave it to her as a part of the Yeah, that's the best album Marvin Gay mm a bro because he was man. That ship was cold blooded. Man. Thank you for turning me on the pleasure. That's probably man, he turned me onto

that ship. Man. Let's get close to the beginning, man, because it's hard to have this conversation without, first of all, like setting the foundation, you know, like, how did you guys meet? First and foremost? Oh? Man? Just man? Back at school? Rich wrong? Yep? Seven grade seven grade man? Okay, it was in classes together and just y'all started rapping,

gravitated towards each other some candada. So was it like a day one the moment you guys linked, you know, first time you met, you asked, my dude, many good dude. That's a good dude. Y'all just clicked. Did it take some time? It was over time? Yeah, it was. It was instant, but it was like it I think when we found out how close we stayed to each other, the proximity in the neighborhood. Had a fight, and then it was I had to fight against each other one time we had a little lock up one. Yeah, I

love it. We've been mad at hell at each other, wanted to fight but at one time, man, we might have been checking in class. Uh. He said something about my shoes I had these nia were pro wings and you know when them johns getting old, they get hard from he was bad. He got me by my shoes. Bad. I got him about his hero bad. Teacher was out the room, had a little out rouh. Yeah, we jumped up and locked up everybody. Well then the teacher was

right back in the room. So yeah, that's pretty goddamn good. Man. Has anybody ever left the group? Um? No, man really left the group as far as me and him, Yeah, really left the group. He been didn't get a boy. He leave to win, said in front of the beginning. I ain't playing the whole game, man, I had to leave for my mental health. Man, you can understand that I got ship. I got in that. So so tell us, man, how was it like growing up in uh Orange Mountain?

Orange Mountain, Memphis, right neighborhood? What's that that's the neighborhood? Yeah? How how was it like growing up there? Oh? Man, it was something special, man, you know because Orange Mound is like a town. Man, it's like a town. Uh. It's all like the second largest Uh, neighborhood to Harlem and uh, the first neighborhood uh uh in America built um for black folks and all black black people, by black people for black people. Right. Yeah, they bought it.

It was an orange grove, you know, I hate that. I can't remember exactly who it was they bought it. Yeah, but they bought it. It was an orange grove. And then they made these plots for black people to own their own. I think they started out with like fifty shotgun houses and uh, and it just grew. I heard that the original state site was a plantation. Yeah, damn, well that's that's all the southern reasons you want to say that. But yeah, yeah, but a lot of that

area and there it was filled with plantations. You know. That's that's just recorded. But the Memphis area, I think Caryonville and all that, are they trying to gentrify Orange Mound right now? It is white people more out there. It is is still like yeah, they're trying to bleed. Yeah, I know, and they're doing it there. I'm sure everything that touches and and and and Orange Mound touches. We we eached up that and and we so have they

started buying an Orange Mountain. Have you guys purchased them land out there? Hey, buy that ship? Yeah, because a lot of people is hurrying up and buying it all like in Bok they're not really looking and they're paying over price for stuff. If you want a hunt it for this they give you and to give it to me right now and yeah and then that don't live there. You know, you really gotta have um the resources. Yeah,

not just money, but the resources. Yeah, the resources, the connections, the access because like my kids, mom was trying to get me to buy like landing fifth Ward and in Midtown before it took off. Baby, this is back. You could buy a whole damn near city block in Midtown for a million dollars. That's not that it was way cheaper than that will here. Well, I'm telling you, I'm talking about a host. I'm talking about the block, the

block grass Hun, I'm talking about the whole block. Yeah it was, it was, Yeah, but in any event, we know that was considered considerably lower than what it is now. The same thing with Fifth Ward. I mean I remember those plots, those lots back in the day when when I was you know, just getting real money we're talking for a lot, and that that same lot would run you two hundred and three hundred thousand dollars. And they're doing this in every city. Yeah, you know, America is

is a cookie cutter country. You living anyone in America and you're living in the hood, make sure you buy that all that ship, buy it all by all, patch up and just buy all that ship. Yeah. We we work with people, man, you know that that do that though.

So it's people that like uh that's involved with like our beard, the cat that owned the brewery that bruise our beard, and a couple of others like okay them cash and a couple of other like black business owners man, And they do a lot as far as trying to get you know, get people like us and others that don't have the resources the connections to get you in a position. You know. You know, they often say that fortune favors the brave, but it also favors the insight

for the ones who have visions. Because I did not have that vision. Had I had the vision, oh it would be it would be over. You know, just ask, just ask. Back in the day, I was in New York with Chuck Dick damn. We were at a fight and Chuck said to me, Willie, they got this thing called the Internet, hm, and it's gonna be big. He said, ten years, half the households in America is going to have computers. Now I'm thinking to myself, well, I have the money and I don't even have a computer. How

is that gonna happen? But it's Chuck d something giving him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he's talking about. I just can't understand it. Right then he told me that we're gonna be getting our mail through our computers. I was He's like, We're gonna be getting the mail, you know, through computer, And I'm trying to think physical How you gonna have physical mail come through?

He was talking about email. Chuck told me about the Internet now, and I'm thinking to myself, after it blows up, it took less than ten years, so I'm thinking it was more like five years or so three four three or four years or something like that. So I'm like, so after that, I started thinking to myself, Man, I was like, man, had I jumped on that? If I would have just taken a leap of faith and jumped on it, what could my life have been like financially?

Perhaps I would have started the Internet company with ten thousand dollars and so my internet company a few years later for a hundred million dollars like Mark Cuban did, and maybe i'd be the owner of the Dallas Mavericks. But I didn't have the vision. So I promised myself after that I would have a better I would be open two new ideas and at least do my research before I eliminate the idea of doing it, pursuing it or not right, because because at first I was just like,

I can't, I can't, I can't figure it out. I can't, I can't understand it, and I just leave it right there. It just dies right there. Now, when I hear something, I look into it first, Let me at least look into it. I found myself when when cryptocurrency came around, I found myself doing the same thing. I didn't catch my snap. Well, Buddy kept calling me saying, will will check out this big corn check it out, check it out, it's going, it's going to going. And finally I caught

my snap and I jumped on big corn. At I jumped on and then I hit and then I reinvested in those corn and some other coins and from there, you know, I just been off to the races. But I said that to say, you have to have the fortune favors the visionaries, you know, you got to have that vision. And just like with real estate, you're not. You don't make your money when you know, with the news. You make your money with the rumor. Right, So when as a rumor it's going down, it's about to go down,

that's when you need to be on. Like, that's when I should have been on with my kid's mom said, hey, you need to get on this room. It's gonna come. It's it's coming, it's coming. I waited till the news came, and then by that time the land was so now any land that I make a move on. Now, I'm looking at twenty years down the line, what it might look like thirty years down the line, you know, because you gotta be willing to plant seeds that you may not eat from, you may never see. Yeah, ready to

lose that. Well, it's your legacy. It's for you, you know, it's for the people are after you. You know, that's how you gotta look at it, you know, especially at the age week. You know, you know thirty or four year plans. You know that's for your family. Yeah, y'all had y'all first underground UH tape was called listen to the lyrics, right, So then y'all hit y'all hit him with listen to the lyrics, and then y'all back door that with your first commercial album, UH coming out hard.

So y'all said, y'all first told him listen to the lyrics, then y'all said, we're coming out hard. And then y'all found yourself on outside looking in, and then you came back with U on top of the world. You're on top of the world. If you listen just the first three albums, if you you know, including the Underground, if you if you listen to that, it tells a story really about your careers, right if you really listen to it.

Because you guys are like you're you're, you're you're you're very successful, you're accomplished, but you're your low key stars. How do you manage to be under the radar still going to the respect of your peers Because we respect y'all and everybody that I know that understands this game, respect and its mutual musical. It's musical, yeah, real man, We just I don't know, man, we just gotta say we just try hard at being ourselves, you know, because you know, man, it's hard to keep an echo. Man.

You know, man, it's hard. Remember that song we did, yeah he was on. I think it's on. It's onshing the bank. Yeah. Yeah. With us being ourselves all the time, yeah, it hurt you in some circles that help you. I can relate to that, yeah, you know. But always, you know, the fans appreciate that. We always just kind of be us. We stopped and take pictures, you know, you know, just keep it regularly and we when the we a lot

of groups perform and deal, you know, do that stuff. Man, we out of here may and g sometimes stay to the lights, come on, man, you know what I mean. Just stuff like that and just being us man, you know, never change and kind of you know, trying to show the human side. Basically, how did y'all connect with Tony Draper? Oh man? Through mutual friends? Um friends that we knew that we went to school with, that he knew, and you know, and they put us together. They listened to

the lyrics was out you know that came out. We was in the twelfth grade. Um it came out that summer or yeah that's something. Uh and uh it just it was one of them songs like they used to have a little slam of the jamming type of things and the gym man they played on the dumping. It might have played for like two hundred Knights on the row or something like that, like we want like for some months, like you know, every night it would be our song. You know, man, how was that? Man? How

did that make y'all feel? No? Ship was crazy. We were still a lot of actions. Were still catching the bus man and I was catching the women too. That it was always us, you know, like we always mean uh, having having a having at least a local hit, don't hurt it most definitely uh solfing the side of not having no money yet were a little broke kids. Yeah, you know we were still some little just some little

broke kids. Man. We was cool with uh skipper school was a couple of chicks and smokers and weeds somewhere. But people looked at us as this you know, yeah, time, but it was you know, at what point do you meet Tony? What this like ninety two, something like the ninety it maybe in between that time. Do you remember the first day that you met him, what that was like,

like what happened? What was said? Um, generally, you know, he was letting us know that he liked the music already and he was familiar with the music, and uh, he was gonna be staying in touch with us, and uh he had plans on doing something with his label and getting us to Houston. And I know he generally said that in the first meeting. And because it was just a bunch of like ome boy kicking it, him and our mutual partner come scoop us. You know, they

had all the cars and stuff. Then you know they had the paper you know, paper draper they had, and so they came scoop us up and take us places and we hang out with them, and you know, in between and then just it was like it was October thirteen, but I never get um the week before that or something like that, he asked us, was we ready to be ready? I'm gonna get the tickets, y'all. Come on, the first time we flew in everything, we had never been on an airplane before. You know, it was my

MoMA birthday. I never get their part. We was leaving on her birthday. So, but first time flying and everything came down the Agetown posted up. So yeah, so who was first? Who was first? Was it was it? You guys are tealer on Suave House? Yeah, so you guys was the flagship group? Well it was it was he had a group. Uh it was thorough and your board Now uh he had a group before us, uh smooth smooth. Yeah yeah, he had a group before us and then

group that was his out of Houston. Yeah, yeah, that was his, like that was the that was just project and doing the independent label. Yeah. Well who who did distribution for you when your album came up? Uh? Back then it was probably Southwest and uh not coming out hard h that was Phillips New really and select them select, I don't know select in South Wales News. Let me ask you another question, like being artists on a label back then and then looking at as an artist right now,

how is accounting? Are you being accounted to? You know, are you getting your publishing, your writers and all of that ship or is it's just one bit clusterfuck saying now right now? Are you getting all of your ship from back then it kind of is on that accounted to. Yeah, we've gone a whole bunch back the last like the first ten years after we left squall, we've done a whole bunch and we all were still only on a

percentage of that stuff. Does it interest you to go back and get the rest of that publishing Yeah, working, working, Yeah, we feel like, you know, it's, um, we should have that now because other people have had it for us so long that don't let us at least die with it. But you know, I mean that publishing company, he's still got injuries in it, I do believe. UM. So it's a um, a statute or a law or whatever you wanna call it. That's set up right now. It's been

said up since like seventy two artists. So make sure that you you know, from the time your album, from the time that album comes out until the thirty year period, Man, get your ship back, you know what I mean. That's the only way we talked about it all that. Yeah, that's the only way we're gonna have some money when it's ship back. Talk about it all the time, and

that's why Congress cut the deal. Yeah, I think that's I mean, you know, I mean, if that's that's what the law is, and that's what the law, ain't nothing we're making up with the law. If that's what the law say, that's only right. But I don't think that's the only way that we're gonna have some money. I think we need to diversify. Man. I want to be paid from from from from recording. I want to be paid. I want to be paid from this job. You know

what I mean. It's like going to going working at McDonald You work all that time and you don't get paid until thirty five years later. You want to be paid for for working this job right here first? All right, I think it diversified back in ninety three, I've been diversified, but I still won't get paid from this job. Well that's good, I mean you should. You should be paid for me any job that you put in work. Uh,

you know, honest day's work for honest days pay. But I but I you know, as a businessman also, I'm on both sides just like you, as a businessman and you know, as somebody who has been a label exact and as an artist for most of my life, I can tell you that a deal is a deal until you can go out there and make a better deal, do you gee know what I'm saying, Because that's why they got these contracts, you know, like bottom line man, Like you know, the the music industry does not favor

the artist period. We all know that. It's always been like that. It's been that like that from day one. So if you can go back and you know, make a better deal for yourself, then hell yeah, knock it out the park. That's that's what it's for, Yeah, for the artists to be able to make his deal with his publishing. That's why they created the UH copyright termination

is what it's called. Because most artists are young and in spirit and inexperience, you know when start off, you know, they're either literally children or close to it, you know, into their challenge or what they do. They're not and so it should be some relief later on after you

get wiser older. It's the best time to to get your uh, your copyrights back right now because you you settle, you know, you know what you know, what you want to do that should be passed down, you know, I think it should be you know, at the minimum, you know, uh passed down to your children, you know, because that,

because that's kind of shitty man. You know, if you think about it, if you think about like some of these artists who have signed these um eternity deals and ship and you know some years down the line, this is this is an artist that shut the world, I mean, made the world entertain the entire world and sold millions of records, and that artist died broke, and that in that children don't have anything either. That ship ain't cool. And you know that's why, that's why that certain levels

of protection in Hollywood for young for young actors. Yeah, I know you're very well, all right, you don't mean that. Go ahead expound, Willie, you don't mean that. If I said that, I meanted I'm here to represent it. Make me not will tell me why you don't believe that. I don't believe it. You can't just can't just throw out accusations and ship you got without any type any type of you know, solid uh poof behind. Do you think that? Talk to him? Let me, let me, let me,

let me get this together. So you gotta ask Willie hypothetical questions. What if? So? Yeah, what if what if somebody that you didn't like? Mm hmm, I'm not being with it? Hey? What what? What? What? What? Is somebody that you didn't like? You'll give him some money? Would I just give somebody some money? Or would you let I'm just not giving nobody ship? Would you would? You? Would? You? Would? You would? You? Would? You want his daddy? Don't leave

him something? Are you wouldn't give If it's somebody that I don't like, I don't give a funk exactly, go ahead at all? I know we're not go ahead, So I know you don't mean that. You know you know this dude right there? Man? You know, man, sometimes sometimes I believe that this guy has a personal relationship with the devil. I think they talking ship like ain't good morning, good morning? How many people died today? That was great, shoulder man got to have that shot the show. We

just dude, I ain't gonna lie. Man. When I was standing outside nine point nine uh, smoking a big a perfecto blunts at that show with y'all and Luke that night, I never thought I'd be sitting here right now doing this podcast. We appreciate doing. Man. Man, it's a world away. We are a world away. We are that night, but we are venturing off into tried the territory of us being here. Yeah, you feel me, Y'allways, you know large

didn't life to us? Man face used to put up on the bikes hit up, yeah, Man, did you have a full on one of those bikes? Not that I can recall. Willie, I ain't fall He used to pull up with them boys though every time I ever thought about getting the bike, Uh, somebody would fall and die. And I just like, you know what, you know, I ain't fail. Ain't there? I know. I'm just asking, man, how was it working with Puffy Man? Sight from the really talking about didn't you crash on the bike? Like

I actually, have you ever crash? I didn't. I didn't. It was not affirmative. I ask you, had you ever crashed? Yeah? But it wasn't like working with Puffy Man. Did he come in there and actually hit the drummer? Put the album out? Did you hit the drum machine? Did you hit the drummer? Shee? He hit the drum machine? Did he actually come in and hit the drummer sheet? Was he just sucking around? Did he? I didn't never see him?

Did he produce anything for y'all know? Most of the stuff that it was produced by Uh, producers from over there with a lot of people. There was a lot of just different producers were really uh in the you know how you uh get in that time in your career where you are just doing like don't matter because we were so used to medic with T mix for ten years, you know, so s so you're trying to do this new thing, you know, to keep it, keep keep the legacy moving forward, and so you're open to

these these these different ideas. But how was the experience overall? Would you say? Was it a different? Was the difference working uh, working with that group as opposed to working with Drake? Uh, it was most definitely different. But like in most places, you know, we kind of find our pocket, you know, and wherever we wherever we didn't recorded it, but if we always do us. But it was like Suave House was like to me Rap a Lot or

or even Bad Boy, you know what I mean. But we were the you know how uh death Row all these family style entities, you know what I mean. And that's how Suave House was and Bad Boy was that with their original people. We weren't originals, you know what I mean, came after we came in. It was kind of in this transition. They in transition had more stuff going on at that time. He was not as hands on it was used to be around a lot. But I wouldn't say hands on. Like before he happened to

pick the beach, changed did a lot of that. He didn't change the page picked up produced. I would say, you know, produced as far as really listening to stuff and set and listening. But we still had like full creative control and what we wanted in the songs. Were wanted to do titles everything. Man. You know, UM, when I think of producers, I think of like somebody that's in the studio that's um actually kind of sort of

directing ship. You know, hey, don't start, you don't start right here, like go in on the on the on the downbeat. You know that's the type of ship that that Um. That's all part of production. Yeah, yeah, that's all a part of it. And you know he was a mask at that ship. Trey Dr Dre was a motherfucker at that ship. Man, like like timing and okay, put the get talk back in right here and promot

dope like that. You know what I mean? Like the motherfucker's is like we got some cold producers give that. You know a lot of motherfucker's make beats. Motherfucker's like tone capone like they fucking producers bro like they really or hands zoned and not just just coming in there putting their name in there when it's done. You see

a lot of niggas put their name on ship I did. Okay, Okay, they want they they they their names is tied to mind, But it was actually me who did the ship whose name is tied to yours when you actually did the ship, you guys, I mean, look at anybody, anybody, anybody's name that's next to mine in production is lying. They're lying. If their name is next to yours in production, there lying pull that like to see who's lying. Let's see

is that particularly I am. I can go to any one of the motherfucker I want to go to Maid. Let's go to Ahead made classic. You know, I'm gonna pick the class the class. I think it's a game. When it's cot and brains, it is not the same. What you expected was the spark dog, but not the flame. I can stop the rain, okay, r ai n or r e g Yeah either rain, like I can stop that ship. Stop let's just gangster ship talk me like, so,

I would like to see here credits. I mean it's very important that because this is about information that instructions, right, perhaps we can save the next producer side. There are the slash producers from making the same mistake, and I'm sure that Brad would welcome such. Let's see made is the Night Studio album by Scaring goddamn It two thousand seven. Okay,

well are these credits. Let's see label producers. I played the baseline and never Okay, let me let me find the track listing in the producing production for each track, play the guitar never never you o Joe drama boardy is not that? No, that's not but I played the base on their drama boy came with the with the original beat. Alright, Joe did the drums over. I played the base on the guitar on. Man, your name is not on any of these made tracks. And then look

at look at Boy means Girl. That's me and my uncle right there. Whoever put their name there is lying Boy meets Girl? You know, Joe, John Beato, Mike Dean, fucking Nope, so you know Joe didn't do it either. Joe might have laid the drums to that ship from Heavyweight. She just named man man Joe, Joe. I gotta get Joe his card, man, but I can't get nobody else

to out out. Okay, So I'd like to You're just from you know, the sake of argument, I'd like to put up at least one moment to my first half balance, which one go to my first album, first album. Here we go, scar Faces, Joe's dope. Yeah, man, Hey, all that ship was classic, man, but we just gotta be authentic, man and just tell the truth. A lot of ship

that this game. That's that's everybody's so sensitive now. I'm very sensitive now about my ship cause a lot of motherfucker's put their names on my sho it and their names ain't supposed to be next to my name on my ship. Okay, okay. Track listing, here we go, Here we go, emotion making. They don't even have the they don't even have the production, can you okay? Okay? The pim I did that Born Killer Simon did that Crazy see Ye murdered by Reasons. I did insanity. Your ass

got too. I did that Diary of a mad Man, Big Rolling from New Orleans did that big rolling body Snatchers. I did that. Money in the Power Beato did that. PT Peter Roling, I did that Good Girl going Back. I did that a minute to pray and sad. I did that. I'm dead, Simon did that? Okay? For the songs that you named that you said I did that. Was that any point in history where you saw someone else's name credited? I mean, I think Doug King might have his name attached to my ship. That's not true,

Doug King, he might have What did Doug do anyway? Man? Because Doug, Doug, Doug is the same, He's the same person that Mike Dean is. They are engineers that put their name on your production. Because I was like, I saw Doug King name on my tricks on me, I did that ship? Get your name on my ship? I did that ship. I did my mind playing tricks on me, Duck king lyon. He's a fucking engineer, dude, he did ship.

That's me. Now go find us some most ship that with Doug King name on it, and you can't because that ship came out. That's me cold. If Doug was sitting here right now, Doug kissed my motherfucking ass right now, if he was sitting here because he didn't do that ship, well guess what audience we got, Doug. You know it's been rumored that, um, it's been rumored that I'm sharing production on sex Faces. Oh and and I know for a fact, you know, ABC another bad creation. That's another

brand creation. Mike Dean played some keys on it, but for the most part, and you can ask Mike, I did that? So how did that? How do we really needed this problem? What do we do? We make motherfucker's come clean, make him come clean and and tell the truth and shame the devil. So after they come clean, history must be correctly written. Right, So you have to go back into those credits, and well you got to go back. You can leave you you can leave the

credits like they are. Just no, you just want the truth to be I just want the truth to be revealed, because you know what, if you listen to anything else that came out of anybody else's ship, it don't sound like that. You know why, because you ain't built like that. You ain't got that. I am the vibe. If you ain't got the vibe, you're just recklessly making beats my nigga, you got to have to vibe. I was born with the vibe, man, vibe. That's why I ain't making no

beaks and no wraps no more. He got that vibe. Yeah, man, you ain't got to vibe. No. I got the vibe, but I'm gonna keep it to myself cause niggas keep claiming my vibe no more. I mean, why not If somebody's claiming your vibe, you know, why not? Why not do something to stop him from claiming it? And just can't tell you and get your vibe? You better do another album. Perhaps I'll do your whole album. The first of all, this is this is let me explain something

to you now. I ain't trying to leave this is. This is the classic. This is rock and hide in your hand right because he knows I'm about to tell everybody that is asked is Lyne. Because he said this at least Willie, I am not lying, told the same line at least a half a dozen times, Willie. I'm gonna produce your album, Willie. I'll produce it, William. And so you know what you do when Brad start lying, you just call him on it. This say all right, man, uh,

see you in the studio Monday. Man. Uh, like I got to go out to Miami. Yeah, Man, yeah, Man yeah Man uh yeah man Man. Man, you someone that I'm young and the restless. It's always something. Man, my knee hurt. I gotta go get some blood work. I gotta go get some blood work. I gotta go do a makeup show. I'm staying in the house because I'm saying I'm staying in the house because they're saying smost supposed to snow. You know, we don't get no snow

in Texas. Were in Houston. But anyway, man, we talked about Drat, we talked about Puff. What about your working relationship with t I. How did that go? What was that? Like? It was kind of the same with did Man. He was he were going through so much at that time. At the time, he was kind of going through them cases at the time, like I couldn't get a lot of hand. It coincidentally happened around the same time, around the time we went there. Shortly after that, you know,

he was in conservrating. Yeah, y'all did y'all wing with down the album? That was I didn't know that, uh, And then like you know, he got out and then got inconsiderated again, and that it was during the time we was over there. So where do y'all hear some damn paper rentling and ship like crumbling down all that old ship? Yea, hear some ship like that? Go ahead? He got out, He got out. Yeah, man, he got out. You know, the effort was there. You know, he put

great album, great effort. The album was most definitely out of the alum um. But I think it was kind of lost in the publicity of you know, what he had going on. You know, it was kind of bigger than what we were doing at the same time. Yeah, e forty too short. I asq snooped up m Mount Westmore? Who is you guys? Is Mount Well? Mount ten Moore, Tennessee? Well,

you know he goes fulheads on the mountain. You don't know I'm talking about Tennessee, Tennessee, because you know, you got you got some, you got some cats out, you got some I got And also Forgotti and don't don't don't forget the youngsters. You know what I'm saying. I got out there. That's that's doing it too. Who's on

your in there? If going all the way back to the beginning Spanish fly Yeah, I would have to start off with with with cats like um Gangster pet Oh my god, got about three six pretty toning Player Flayer fly Um player fly Yeah man three six. Um Project Pat is my guy. I love Project DJ Squeaky Squeak. He's definitely the creator of too thick Um the sound. Yeah yeah man. Uh and like um Dolph Dolph is a fool dog money bag Um you said, got it? Yeah, Gotti is a fool GUARDI of course, uh, Gotti a

fool and um And you know it's a lot. You know, we're kind of making a lot of noise right now, so we're really trying to keep up. Yeah. Well, I know that Um Memphis is Um Isaac Hayes right the parcades, um Stax Records, stacks. But it's one Memphis artist that I want to mention, but I don't want to mention by name. Okay, all right, but his last name is Presley, And I want to personally say Elvis was a hero

the most, but he never means to me. Simpling Plane straight up races motherfuck him and John Wayne because I'm black and I'm proud most of my hero don't appear on no stamps. Have you ever been out to Grace Land? I have not. No, have you ever y'all never been there? Wow, I'm gonna tell you the truth. Tell me all right. You know when you walk past it? No, no, I said, we've walked pasting the drove past. We don't live in that area, so we're only you're not even allowed over

the hunt. Oh no, it's a straight tourist like it's they it's I've seen the damn plane over there with it. Then he was making when they got his plane over there, They got a new stadium, all type of hotels. But it really but it's on the main part about it. At the house, it's like sitting on West Him. They caught it, but it don't really look that big. It was.

It was that was a man. The house my mom working sixty years look exactly like that John, same size and everything you feel and but on the elves pressly no man uh. I used to watch his movies. Man, when I was a kid, I was at home alone a lot, you know, mom working and stuff. And Elvis was a funny dude man, Like it's funny how you make you laugh. You hear the music, just how he was the it's the Hollywood machine and what they made of him, you know what I mean. And it's just

just it's funny man, that's all. So he's he's like f U d D Why fuddyduddy d u d D? Why Buddy Duddy? Just fucking you know. He was the he was the playboy in every one of his movies, Like he got all the girls. What about when he got fat though, when he got fatty, he had a big hands lamp. But some things went right here he was he wasn't in the movie mud that right there, muddon ud. Yeah. I don't think he did too many movies when he got to the fatty. Wasn't that Ba

was eating them hamburgers. They watch that Bobby keep playing cross street from Elvin's house for hamburger joining something that's close by Elvin's house by the plane. Well that was that was so long ago. They might have told that mother down to be at the stadium stuff. Yeah, so much. Yeah, because when we were going out to Memphis like back then, really like it wasn't a whole lot of ship out there. And now you said they got baseball stadiums and ship

oh yeah, memphiss. Really it transitions, like you know, it ain't aged town, aged town, y'all lost that he grew changed so much from twenty years ago. But yeah, man's just uh growing all the time. You know, we distributed, so it's it's man, go by that ship, y'all Amazon and all that time, Man go by this ship. Man, it's coming, it's coming. Go go to the the niggerish neighborhood you can find and if you see an empty lot,

just buy it, just buy and have it. That's in case they want to tell that ship down to put them all that. You gotta spot there and they're gonna have to bid for by that ship. Man. Yeah you weren't on a new project, Yeah you are? Yeah yeah yeah man. You know what, even if it ain't gonna come out, we are always doing work. How many how many? How many albums? Records? How many records you think that you have, but like that hasn't come out. That's it's

in the arsenal ship. I probably got a three albums, four albums. You got about four albums. I got more, probably more than that. I got a studio in my house, Willie, before I unplugged all that ship, I'll just be making music, making songs. But now I don't even go up there, and no more. I fucking unplugged that ship a little. Recording, man, I hate recording now a little. I think it got too difficult because when ship went digital, you know, computer SS.

I got SSL in my house. You got computers and SSL s, and I adn't never been able to do nothing this stuff. I'm lost without an engineer. I'm just during the pandemic. I learned proteols, and yeah, I learned proteols. I learned SSL long time ago. When I first bought my studio, I had an engineering there and I used to have to wait on him to do anything. I couldn't do nothing. Very I felt hopeless, and one day I asked him, I said, man, show me how to

work this day. He's like, well, you know, man, if I show you how to work it, you know it'd be easier for me to just do it, man, because it's gonna takes so lots of man. That was insulting my elligence. And I was like, man, just show I was like that was a job security response, right, So I was like, man, just show me how to work it. And so the man refused to show me. He always had an excuse. So one day I just started, like I asked another producer engineer to come over and show

me how to work it. So I had an engineer coming over every day just showing me. And each day I learned one or two things. You know, you could start off with, how to turn the volume up, turn it down, how to fade, you know, and just and and as you as I learned, I just it just kept growing and growing and growing to one day he called me and said, hey, we are man. How you do this? I got so good that I became a

better engineer than he was. And I remember when I first started, I used to look at dudes doing the engineer and stuff, and I thought, man, you had to be a genius. I thought you had to be a genius to do that. But then I saw Brad doing it. I was like, you can do it. I can do it because if you put us in the room right now, think about us, I can record your whole Yeah, we'll come out. We don't need you can record it. We don't need. You don't need to produce a engine that

you put us on the room. We can come out with all no ship. That's impressive. Everybody in this room, everybody you know, But that's a that's a thing like a lot of you know, we can go in the room beats everything. Don't uh if you got pro tools or whatever it is. Man, he don't show you how to do that. I paid thing. If you got a booth and all they fired that nigga. Man, you know what, I ain't no good engineer, you know, show you that thing. Mike Dean, Mike Dean. It's probably one of the best

engineers in the world. Yeah, I give him that. And he's probably one of the best musicians too. He could play every thing. It's nothing that he can't play. Yeah. Stevo, that called Stevo. That's my personal engineer. And I can't record without Stevo. Yeah, Like we've been doing this ship so long together until he already know. It's a chemistry. It's a chemistry with me and Stevo as engineers. You know. So even though I know how to work that ship or I know how to mix that ship or whatever,

I still have dude in there. I don't even you know, I gotta have him in there because and make it and make the make it, make it way smooth engineer that know you, It just makes it flow smoothing. It's that much. Even though I know how to do it, I don't want to do it. M I want to grab that. Yeah, pop quiz, what is the name of the very first hip hop song album that Mike Dean produced them? The very first hip album? Mhm, it had to be uh my street life song? Was it a

rap a lot album? It was a rap a lout album? The first Girl Boy three two? Nope, I'm just getting gangster Nope, nope. Who Willie d going out like a soldier? Willie I didn't Street life and ninety fucking one or two. You see, I forgot about that ship. Just what I'm saying. So I did, I did, but I did going out like a soldier ninety two. So if you did street life, you always did your records after mine, right a wrong? Right a wrong? I don't even know when you do.

You always drop you always dropped your records after I don't even know album. And I'm trying to think. He always tried to act like he don't know ship, but he be he This is the one they going on like I sold you come out this one. This is like one of the most snooping motherfucker's you're gonna have a meet in your life snooping snooping. This motherfucker a man, he'd be looking and looking at snooping, like trying to figure out what's the hell going on? So he played

country dumb, but he knows what's going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's thinking this ship man eating canny and ship while we're doing an interview. That's all that throwing y'all right there, because you think, man, who the hell sits up and eat candy while conducting not not not doing interview, while conducting an interview, He's keeping it real. This guy's keeping it like, yeah, it's got a conductor. Are you Are you even supposed to be eating candy? Man? Listen, Willie,

we talked about this. You talked about this, you know, because look, man, I mean I I called Chris right now and telling the report that kidneys. If you called Chris Nick bring his ass up here. We got to get me because we we got to take care of that kidney. Man. You can't be just getting that kid sucking it up, just eating whatever you want to eat. Man, we got to go through all this ship again. Man trying to do all that in the hospital. You're gonna

take it back, I called him. And it took nine hours to get my kidney putting in right next day. Really came up down in the hospital. Yeah, he was just fucking shocked because I went from a nigger on his deathbed, a nigga bouncing off the walls. Back. Hey, that boy was happy. He was scared though when he was before he went into the knife, he was skinned. I wasn't scared. Mann to the knife, man, Brad, look man, listen. Brad called to me like, hey, Willie, I love you, man,

I know your man. I don't even like Willie, so I know for a fact I didn't say that. I didn't say that, Willie. I don't even know what. I was walking my dog when COVID first came out, when you got coble, you remember that. You don't even remember that. And I was face taying you. He was like, ball, go back in the house. I don't even walk the dog. Go back in the house walking to down. Man, go back in the house. In the house. I'm telling you, real man, it's just real man. Real. Yeah, he knows

what he said. He know. I know the truth. He knows the truth. But hey, man, but I'm glad you're here. Brom and I always it was a success. We get more success, But I'm not glad I'm here with Willie. Ye man, y'all love each other like brothers, like dog. Yeah, don't be shane a little each other like that. You know,

it's real man that be here with that bullish. That's that's why if if I'm ever in a place where we're having a gathering, and you know, I know, and I know, and I know it's a favorite dish that he wanted to make sure you eat all that ship you come. That's how you do. That's how you get them back. These are the type of things that people can't get over. You can't get over, get get over kind of shootings and stuff. But you eat that that last become fine. Some areas that are what did you

call it? Okay? Yeah, because we caught it, but at a certain points of the country they say, yeah, it was such a um mhm. It was such an honor and a pleasure to be able to to just watch the growth of eight Ball and m j G. You know from um the way that that album coming out hard you know, and just watching the coming out hard, you know, in the transition into space, age's pimping and

you know, just it's just big records. Man. That was wow. Wow, just rap styles, different cadences and and niggas just just knew how to Niggas from the South that knew how to control the mike, you know, MCing, mike controlling, you know, handling it and and and I of the growth. Man. I remember came over to the house that y'all was living in off a beach that back there by what's

that ship called fun Plex shooting basketball man. Y'all, y'all nigga was working in that studio, bro trying to garage and turning the garage to a studio and just just that transition right, just watching y'all do that ship man was was was inspirational, you know to me too. You know, like, man, these niggas is going to day doing it in the garage. Man, And we was doing Ship and in in in the studio. After that first album, we was going to big studios

and spending money. But y'all, y'all, Ship was sounding you know, just as good, if not better out the garage. You know, we was we was maning. We was following y'all day. Man, you can best believe we looked at y'a all the same way. Like from the south, y'all was not just on it from the south of y'all as substance, and that was probably the most important quarter of and you

know and everything ghetto boys substance. And then you see all this stuff we just named when you was saying that thing like we was like and we was real fans, man like for real, for real, like of that whole movement. Man like all them artists Man k ring No, and I don't even know if he was he was he was a lot of stuff with like yeah three too. Yeah, but man, we listened to all of that, man, I'm talking about and that that that a lot of the music and stuff. Uh, it shaped a lot of what

we became and what we were doing as well. You know that Yeah, that whole um, the atmosphere that was created with all these groups working together. You know, uh, that that that was being emulated, man, not only by us, but by all the people who you know, don't admit it, but man, they got that from I think you know Rabber Rabber the first that was the that was the

first step. That was you know what I mean, honestly, man, we were pattned a lot of I grow from the man because we went from the garage studios to the big joints, and you know, you end up finding out that the garage John's are where we want to be. That I mean, I to paying all that money for them big studios and all that. But we, man, we followed, you know, followed y'all pals man, you know, like y'all. Yeah, we did the whole on Top of the World album in a bedroom, and that's because we was in the

transition to move into another spot. You know, we had already been using the big studio and all that the last couple of albums, but we was in the process of moving, so we had to go through our studio that was in Garge And so we did that whole album in a in a third bedroom. Uh and uh our girl Katie, Katie may house and she still lives in the same residence right now. So Louise, I don't man and one of them bed room. We just say that the same man. You know, it's musical, man, to

love the the respect and everything. Man, it's musical. Man, it wouldn't be no us without yall without really, at some point a good student will become a teacher. And that's a testament to the statement that people make oftentimes when they reference you guys, they say that you guys have laid the foundation of the Southern Sound today today sound.

How do y'all feel about that statement? Man? It's uh, you know, we just makes you go back and think, um about how long you've been doing it, um, and maybe the influence maybe uh, you know, I look at it like, um, maybe you know I understand because you you know, we knew how them times was back then, you know, coming from the South, and uh, it wasn't a lot of representation for the South, you know, like you know, the East Coast had a grip on the game,

you know. Yeah, first feature I heard south to East Coast you and cool Gi rap Yeah, and that we did that on and we did that on the West Coast and I never heard that before, like the East Coast and somebody like him, somebody from the South, you know, and you don't want to uh diverse that that bill late for Coogi rap I wrote that did you know that Willie No, he wanted to vaguely remember something like that happening now really really didn't do the record. We did a lot of shout out cool g rep to

g rap Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We had some good times with a little bit. Yeah. Oh did pulenty time over this house, smoking out, kicking it. Y'all? Was Bill cool to be around with, y'all? He times we was around. I don't think we were. You know, people like Bill, y'all spent more time with him. So y'all know Bill for readers, yea, let the build that you know Bill got Memphis. Yeah, he had his moments and ship, but never like probably y'alls. Yeah. Yeah, one thing Bill pass

that blunt don't know. I'm not passing. We had some good times back in Houston too. Yeah. Man, what other good times you guys want to have? I don't know. Maybe it's good times and maybe it's just legacy building here, but what other what else do you guys want? Is there anything else that you want out of this hip hop game? Oh? Man? I just wanted keep flourishing, you know, uh, keep growing and uh keep evolving. Man. Uh uh it's you know, it's a voice. You know, it's a voice. Uh. Man,

it's the youth. Um, and I think, uh, it kept us all young. I think, uh, I think it kept us all all in this room. And and um, it's like something in the water, you know. I think, you know, when hip hop came alone, you know, it made us as a whole culture more youthful and more youthful thinking.

Like if you look back at old pictures in old times, you know, it's like, um, it's like a lot of youngsters was in a hurry to get old, look old, start acting old, you know, like you know, like when you look back, you know, like in the thirties, fours and fifties, and you look at some of them hit is you know cats, you know it was twenty two already looking like you know what their granddaddy looked like, you know, just but selling in them ways, you know early.

And I think hip hop a different fort The hip hop made a different made forty different in this atmosphere. Made And not to say that you know, the older cats wasn't on the game and only hustle, but I think hip hop just made us more youthful, youth for thinking. And you know you're right about that, man, because when I was growing up, I mean, a forty year old

pretty much looked like a grandmother. Now yeah, grandmother, remember looked like But I mean when I was in my team with some forms and Cats and two would be like, oh, there's no rep. I listen to blues. I listened to this, you know, I remember this. You know that cats who was and they twenties, was like, we don't listen no rep. You know, back at a certain time. But now everybody, everybody Hill, you know, everybody want to be hip and you know it's a good thing. You know. I think

man hip hop and ball and ge Man. I think you know, we have made a mark. I think we are yet to make that mark that's gonna really you know what I mean, Like, I don't think it's gonna be we I can't say what it is. But we've been kept around for a reason. And I know that we start. Yeah, and we we love this. We love the music man and and and and I'm gonna put

this out there. I'm gonna leave alone. Marlon and Primro would have been Model and Primro if we was working at fed Ex, them too, niggers that work in fed Ex, they'd be tripping, sneaking in the back smoking weed all that that would have been. If we were truck drivers, we would like always with them old at the truck stopping would be tripping man, you know, we would have been them guys. My my last question, My last question, primro, have you have a lot letter? And on that note,

we're out of here. Before I let you guys go, I don't even want to know this. I want to know, are you guys in the crypto. I'm trying to get into it all right, Yeah, we're gonna rap man, please. I had the same story you had about the years ago with the computer things. Years ago, a friend of mine talked about it. Don't remind it, and they mind it for a long time, you know what I mean. And look now and just look at it now, you

know what I mean. And I just thinking we had got in on anything you could mind because we most definitely had people around us telling us about it. Definitely. It's still a lot of great projects that come out on crypto damn their daily uh. And and it's still very very young. Although Crypto a lot of people are catching on. You know, the numbers of the percentage of people in the US especially, it's going up around the world they got the US, I pacede. But in the

US that number is consistently going up. And you know, hey, man, now is the time, like now is the time. I don't I don't know a suite of game. I just don't know a sweeter game. I mean I've made I've made more money in crypto in the last five years, and I've made in thirty years. And here almost at coast partners each and every one of Yeah, and in the last year, man, man, I mean last year takes out all years combined. You know, like crypto is where

it's that we'll have a conversation. It's good to see y'all. It's good to see y'all come out. Man, Good to see yall and good spears, good health. And it's also good to see you guys still have that that hunger, that drive to get to get Morely, we appreciate. We don't do this for nobody else. Man, y'all remember that he's only get this type of podcast, ladies, gentlemen, prim Roe Smith. And it's good if you want to know what m you did. What I'm saying, no more talks.

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