Dr. Boyce Watkins Episode

on us. Don't get twisted on code and me and danced for no furtament, biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scar facing the building. Collectively. We are to get old boys. You tune in to get old boys reloaded in the building with us right now, then, conquerable doctor boys Watkins, what's going on? Brother, hey man? Well the the doc in the house man? First of all, Man, I cannot go any further without first saluting you, congratulating you for your marriage to Alicia Watkins. Yea, Alicia Watkins. Both of

y'all got PhD s. Man. That don't happen a lot, right, No? I think one percent of the population got a PhD. I want to thank you for coming on the on the cast. I'm glad to be here. Man. Man, that's honor. I mean, you know, come on, you know, I grew up with y'all. Man, you know, like you know, it's like you'll understand, you know when I talk to y'all or Ice Cube or anybody, and you never stopped being

a fan, you know what I mean. And so it's like I remember every year when your stuff would come out, like I would go buy it like it was an appointment, you know what I mean. And so to that, yeah, man, So I wouldn't never put you on Get Boys. Yeah, what's what's the first song? What was the first one that captured your attention? Um? The songs that come to mind first is like die motherfucker, Man, I would put you on. I got a bad read on you, doc, I put you, I put you and miss the Officer,

I put you on. No cell out And then you like, man, I'm a black man. Sometime you gotta go dark man, you know, man, this man is a genius man, a borderline UH scientists with with you know, African American studies. Man. You know what I mean, like this man is this man is a is brilliant. Yeah man, But you know

it's like war is everywhere for the black man. You know it is a war yeah man, So like that music reflected the warrior spirit that I had, Like like yea, you probably know with guests like who I was actually my my favorite of all time. Try to guess who thinks my face favorite artists of all time? Spice One span to Chico yesterday. Yeah, tell tell him that is

my cousin, real cousin. Spice One is one of the most powerful poets of all time, and when he would make songs about his struggle, like I felt that man. You know, I had a slightly different life, but ship. I mean, I was a black man first and then I did the other things, you know, So the energy and his music, like I grew up with him where literally every album he came out, when he would say his age on the album, and I was always the same age. So Spice One man, I connected to the connect.

Yeah yeah, I mean back when I met my wife, you know, I met me and Alicia with friends for a long time and then you know, after her she was right, I was twenty two bro, hey, I was ready. You know what. She was a sophomore in college and I was my your grad school. Man, I saw her across like you know what they say, I saw you across the crowded room. I literally saw across the crowded room. Man. And that night in my journal, I wrote, today I met the most beautiful woman in the world. How long

is this? Uh? This was I saw. I saw the video of him and Alicia in his dorm room and Alicia came in. Man, It's something to see y'all at such a young age, and how you guys were communicating with each other and you guys were friends first. That's that's a beautiful story, man. That's what they call what they call it an American love story. Yeah, yeah, American and yeah, and then you also have um those stories that ends up like Marvin Gaye story. Yeah you know

what he had to give an album anna talk about. Yeah, Well, you know that happens, man, Man, that ship happens, bro, it does, and you know, and that was the thing like I used to get not not to try to put that curse on you, bro, I know that ain't gonna happen. You wet when you waste your way smarter than that, man, You know what, love out smarts everybody, Like I don't think you can now smart love and God and mother nature. Man. I feel like like I literally I used to get a lot of ship because

I didn't get married like in my thirties. And the thing was, um, I just always joke and say, you know, I just get my first divorce because almost all my friends that got married the twenties and thirties it didn't work out because that ship is you're not ready when you're twenty in your thirty years old? I could, I could, I can? I can, I can? I could vouch for that as you can't. You're not ready, you know what I mean? Like like I didn't get my best piece

of asshaul. I was thirty six, thirty seven years old. So for me to say that I was in love at twenty two or or or you know, twenty six years old, are you saying the quality of the assay? Man? It's way different when when you when you farty thirty six, when you're one. It's a difference. How is the explained that to me? Because man, I'm not going to go into I need I need to understand with a doctor. Man, I don't want to be boggar, but you gotta worry about me. But but I want, I want to understand

how is good sex? Uh? How does good sex prepare you for us? Commitment? Well, here's the thing, Willie, and this is important for you to know, like itter commitment. Excuse me. If that good, I ain't going home. I'm not coming back. It's gotta be. It's gotta be. You know. That's not gonna keep me in the house. Man. If the conversation ain't stimulating, it's not gonna keep me in the house. If the food ain't good, it's not gonna keep me in the house. Love don't love. Don't love nobody, bro,

I don't even fun what nobody say. Here's I'm not the one on I'm not I'm not the one being interviewed. Man, I'm off of it. No, I don't think that's why we don't get along. But he no, No, here's the thing, though, I don't think that. I think I think that you know, whether somebody cheated or not had may have something to do with their spouse, but it ultimately has more to do with you and what type of pera with that. But I shouldn't have been married in the first place.

At twenty you shouldn't have been married in the first place. Two years old, yeah, you should not have not experience of life yet. Let me experience some ship and then lock myself down. Now it works better now at fifty, then it then it then it do it at at well, absolutely, because because I think you could do it in thirty or thirty five, but I think you need guidance. I

think it's yeah, yeah, like like people. I used to think relationships or something where you just figure it out as you go along and you hope for the best. But when I find is it's real hard to get along with another person. Damn man, you know, like so so seriously man, like you know with my wife. Now, this is wisdom I had later that I didn't have when I was younger. We got a marriage counselor before

we ever had any problems. We did it for preventative reasons, just to learn how to communicate with each other, you know what I mean, Just to learn how to not you know, not let arguments get out of control. And what I learned is that it's not about whether you're gonna have conflicts like you're gonna have disagreements. You're gonna have disputes. The question is how do you resolve that. You know, if you can resolve it, then then you

But a lot of people came, they escalate it. It's like you know, you you pull out a knife, I pull out a gun. Next thing, you know, everything's falling apart. And you and that that conflict resolution. Knowing how to do that and then knowing how to deal with pick people that that also want to do that. That makes

a big difference. Like me and you're friends, because if we had a disagreement or a difference, you would call me and you say, hey, man, I didn't I felt some kind of way when this happened, And then I would listen. You know, it wouldn't be like, man, well if you man get to get up right and you see what I mean, that's that's important. And will he'll he'll make that story up and tell you that he's a masterful conflict resolute tour and that is a fucking lot.

But go ahead. You know, this guy can be very disrespectful at times. Man, I'm surprised he lived this long. But but anyway, man, but but anyway, you know, but what is what is a relationship rooted in first and farmost respect? Right? And I think that that's how that's the reason why, Like, think about the friends that you have, all of the long term friends that you have, Hey relationships as your partner relationship, of your girlfriend relationship, any relationships,

any relationship you have. I'm talking about good relationships. So do you do you have any long term relationships that's route that's not rooted in respect? I don't. I don't think. Go ahead, I don't think. I mean somebody don't respect you. I mean, okay, let me put like this. So you got a chick that you don't really like, Willie, I'm not with her. I mean you don't have to be with her. You still smash every now and then? Uh yeah, go ahead, No, no, not that mean when I was younger, Yeah,

when I was and then I agree with you. I want you on that. That's probably one of the few things we agree. You know, we'll go ahead. We all still agree that you're an asshole. I mean we agree. Yeah, come on, this guy, this guy is at times impossible. Man is bullshit? This guy? Man? You know? Anyway, anyway, how is the ride you know from Houston. It was it was rainy, and I had to drop the kids off at the airport. Uh you know, they we got the eighteen in the fourteen year old and a ten

year old. So the eighteen Fortunyo wanted to fly home. So I had to drive all the way up to the Bush Airport because I sunked up the reservation and I thought, I thought I booke him at Hobby. I booked him at Bush. So but you know, but I was looking forward to coming down here and uh hang out with appreciate it, man, yeah, man, I appreciate that. Bro all my man. Actually, actually, you don't be telling my score story. I got my star face story. You want to hear it. Let me tell me. Let's tell think.

I think you'll like it. I think no, no, no, no, no no, states you you'll appreciate I think you'll appreciate this. Okay. So it was, and I moved to New York. First week I moved to New York, it was to go to grad school. Somebody stole my car. Ship Yeah, they stole my car the first week right now, I thought it was gone, but so I called the police. I'm like, hey, somebody stole my car. They're like, well, what does it look like? And I'm you know, I'm telling them all

this if I'm thinking that that's just a report. I didn't think they the thing was in that area. They had a lot of like kids that was steal your car and driving around for a while and then leaving somewhere. So they found car. So I get my chip back, right, so I get my car. They all did the whatever with the screw driver. You don't talk about hot wired and all that, you know, toward the toward. Yeah, Like, I drove my car like that forever because I didn't

have no money. I don't have the money to fix it. And the only thing they left in the car was your tape, the scar face tape, the one I wasn't called my homies. Yeah, and so I was like, well, I gotta be optimistic. So Lacy's dudes left me some music. So yeah, So I played that tape and I listened to that awesome along to the point where I have the lyrics, memorize all of that, and I always told that story, and I would say that was the best thing that came out of that was I got some

good music out of it. Well, you can look at that two ways. Uh yeah, like I just didn't want to hear my music. They left it in there as a consolation to you, like can you turn the gate up harder on We're gonna leave you some jamin as music. Man, I'm sorry for seting your car, bro. But it was in it was in the it was in the tape deck. So they was listening to it. And as they stole my car, they forgot so that they might have forgotten. They might have forgotten, might have turned that ship down

though they might help. But I think I think that that was a good a good album. And uh and that was that was a real introduction to like, like I knew about so many other work I had not both that album, you know, but but that but that was something I actually I still listened to it, man, And you know, I don't even listen to none of my old music what not. I don't know. I just don't feel like it's my best work. Really explain it. I just don't think it's I don't think it's to

my best ship. Like I always think that I can do it way better. You know. I always listened to my music and I hear something that I should have did better off. I should have put that down. And I ride. I ride with my um uh demos. I'll ride with him two or three weeks before I actually record them. And you know, I want to make sure that everything is perfect. Man, I still miss ship. You're still you're still making music. I'm done, You're done because

we're talked about that yesterday or two days. Really, I'm I'm man. I got a studio in my house, man family, mark my words right now. I'm saying it right here. Second episode, Get Old Boys Reloaded. Scarface a k a. Brad Jordan is not done recording music, not just with him. To intro this podcast, I hope you're not done because I'm done making music though you really done for sure? Okay, Well, well when it comes out, I look forward to hearing it.

I feel like I feel like you guys get better as you get older, but as you mentioned, your time become short and you find the other ways to make money. It's not really about the money for me. Um you ever you ever heard of that the no country for old men? And that's how I feel when it comes to music, because you go. Okay, so remember in the beginning you said, I peg you as a jazz man. Let's talk about jazz. Jazz used to be for teenagers. It was you know, when it first came out, was young.

It was for teenagers. But as the artists got older, the genre got older. You know, when I grew up, jazz was associated with older people because all the young teenage artists became older artists and they got better as time. When all the jazz got better, the music. So I think, and I think, I think the young artists, I feel like they need, they really need guidance because they don't

even know how to write lyrics anymore. It might be my fault and Willie's fault, and Cuban dre and and and the people that came before this generation of artists fault because we're not making music anymore. We're not leaving a blueprint behind for them to go on. So I could possibly, I could possibly take partial blame for that. And there's really nothing named for you, you know, man, Damn, that's some good. I never thought about that, bro. Man.

They need they need the black community needs in general. Black men guidance, they need mentorship. They're looking for that, you know. So that's why I get disappointed. Remember when Um, I was talking to my teenage son about this today. I remember when Iced Tea was beefing with a soldier boy, remember that, Like, I was very disappointed in that because you know, if you're here, you know, the young guys usually come up like I honor you, I admire you, I want to be just like you, and so they

don't see you as their peers. They see you as as as a mentor, you know, and so when they get out of line. Um, you could approach it as man, that's that's that's terrible, that's that's garbage. Or actually you should approach it in a more instructive capacity, you know, like our eighteen year old he pisses me off every day, the ship that he does. I'm like, come on, man, what are you doing? You know? And then I have to call myself and remember, like how I how I

approach that is very important. I have to approach it as a teacher. Right. So what's happening, I think in our whole community at large, not just in music, is that we lost those males that were the mentors. Like in Chicago, even the you know a lot of the gang leaders were at least they had order and structure and a hierarchy. They did, and then when they send them all to prison, they lost that. Now you've got kids with everywhere. Yeah, just all kinds of chaos, and

nobody believes in or respects anything. So I personally think hip hop needs its mentors. Well we have, we do. They're out there. The men who are out there, they are capable. The problem is, I do believe that there's a number of guys out there who won't jump out there for various reasons. One could be that, you know, they feel like the youngsters are not gonna listen, so

it would be a waste of time. Then you have us who may not want to see anything because they don't want to be looked at as a hypocrite because they had a tumultual with upbringing. They did some dirt and stuff. Somebody's gonna throw it in their face. You know, they're gonna get it thrown in their face when they go out there and and and try to bring these youngsters, you know, uh, to an understanding lean. Let me say

this all. Let me say this too, Doc. We lost hip hop when we let the machine dictate what got a chance to make it and what didn't. Okay, because we have some artists out here that are of the younger generation that that makes music that makes sense, and it's just not what the the powers that be showed choose chooses to put out there, you know what I mean, Like like I'm not I'm not and I love to see young black skin money. That's a beautiful thing. But it was one mc hammer and it was uh a

thousand great artists, you know what I mean? It was it was one person that did dancing, one person that did did did uh uh commercial rap. You know I'm not slighting him at all, don't don't say that, But it was it was artists that because I haven't got them hands and you know, ship I got them trying to no way, you know nobody bought that ship. I got hands too. Huh ainybody my tongue, Man, how I got in? I'm not your brother fucking hair. When you think how much time? Why are you? What do you

think the meaning of how much time is? And I'll just say if HIMMA jumped me, man, you better jump in. Man, I'm gonna say, hem, what the fun did they could do to you? Man? Shot to him? See him? But back in the gap, you had like one, uh now, I get what you're saying, put on the show, and then you had twenty other artists that that that that wrapped their way to the top type you feel me? And now you got all these other artists right now.

They just put on shows that can't rap work the fun, you know, but they you know, and I'm not I'm not disappointed in that at all. But I blame the machine for for for the mom and Pops. You know, you crippled the black community when you took the mom and Pops out of the neighborhood. You know, I blame I blame those powers that be for taking CDs out of the best buyers. And you know, instead of having to buy a single, you can now just stream the

ship one time and give us a penny. And you you getting the money for the subscriptions, okay, and said you got twenty million, thirty million subscriptions to Apple at nine nine a month, or you wanta give this black artist, you know, three bucks a record, four bucks a record, pick one. The powers that be fuck this game up. You know, if you don't have an Instagram following in your streams, not you're not gonna get a deal, and I know, how did you get it back? How do

you how do you get it back? How do you regain control? You? You ship? I mean, how did jazz regain control? How did reggae regain control? How did R and B regain control? You know who stole the soul? How does rock regain control? You know what I think happened? I think, uh with those genres, I think the the the powers that be, the the commercial companies, they started

to devalue it right. And once they devalued it, I think that those people that was in the business, they saw an opportunity and said, Okay, it's our chance to go in and and reclaim our thing and be independent and now and not only we were gonna be in it and and we're gonna be independent, but now we're gonna set ourselves up as the gatekeepers. Make your laugh, right,

let me make you laugh. When we were growing up in junior high school and high school and we saw a little white kid rapping, we thought that was the coolest ship that we had ever seen. Right, we didn't. We didn't realize that that it was gonna come a time that hip hop was gonna turn into two jazz or turning the rock like we didn't know that they were coming to take this ship from us again and and take this genre of music from us and then you know, alienate us from it. You know, we didn't

see that ship. We just we had warnings and and and I congratulated as earlier as day they was talking about how they did with rock and roll. We had to warn it. I congratulate hip hop because we held going in this ship for as long as we could. And I wish that we would not have ever uh contoured or or or bent to the shape of the way that the industry is being ran right now, because we control that ship. And now finally we got their as you know, now we got them, they gotta do it,

you know, they gotta do what we say. We can't. They can't get their music out, you know, except by the Internet. And there's a million people trying to wrap now so that that lane is cluttered like a motherfucker. You feel me like, it's it's just traffic, bumper, the bumper on the internet with new rappers coming out, Well, you can say that that's a beautiful platform to have, but I say that's bullshit, because you're gonna get caught

in the wash. There's too much it going on out there for you to put a point on on on uh a leap three sixty or uh you know the ub K movement that's going on right now or racks Rio like little kids like youngsters is coming up in the game. That's that's making some great, great music that will probably never get a chance to listen to because the game so bumper the bumper And if you're not streaming or got a million fake followers on the internet,

they're not gonna pay you attention. No, Well, you know what I think, man, I think, uh, you know, to your point earlier when you mentioned guys being kind of concerned about getting out there because it could be called a hypocrite. For example, I will tell you I learned my best lessons in the world from the guys who made all the mistakes. You know, you have more credibility with me if you said, look, this is what I did when I was your age, because it made sense

to me at the time, but I regret it. And here's why that that actually gave me more credibility than somebody who never had that experience, right, you know, like I learned like my father um, you know, overcame a heroin addiction, drank too much all that. So from the time I was little, he would saying, don't do what I did, and he would explain exactly why, you know, we go out. Man. You know, he was a cop.

He take me out driving somewhere. He says, you see that guy over there, and be like yeah, He's like, well, that guy sit. He pointed some you know, bump bum homeless guys sitting on the street, and he said, well, this guy used to be the start of the football team and he was the most popular guy in my high school. Now look at him. Do you want to be like that? And I'd be like no, and then that that that had an impression. So I personally think that artists, it's okay to say when we were young,

we didn't have the guidance. Nobody told us what this was gonna become, you know, um, and that's something that you know, uh, you know, if I'm talking to yourself or Cube or anybody, just you know, and I submit always respectfully because I'm not out here trying to tell anybody what to do, I would say, you know, you know, like I just cub has a great song uh that he did with him c ran where he says, I started this gangster ship and this the motherfucking thanks. I get.

You know the song right, and it's like, yeah, you did. Started it was cute. I thought it was cute. Dray said the line first. Oh okay, okay, I thought it was Cube song. But maybe I got it wrong. Um, Cube uses that as a hook? Okay, right, okay, okay, that's what was confusing because said Drake said it in the song, and Cube used it as a hook, started this gangster ship and as the motherfucking thanks. I get. Yeah,

that's right. Yeah. So so here's my thing, right, I think that we can um honor and celebrate the accomplishments of hip hop while at the same time saying, like you were talking about with music, how could we have done this a little bit better? You know how? What are some things that we can look back on and say, Okay, we didn't know this is gonna lead to bigging pocket

and kill. We didn't know this is gonna lead to you know, you think about it and artist dies like once a week, you know what I mean, Like, we didn't want it to turn into this per se. So here's some things. I think artists, I think that the power of the words, Like think about man rappers with social media influences. Before there was social media, we talked about that, and it's like that those words got power. Man. It's not just like I'm just saying nobody's gonna listen.

People listen. People imitate that ship, right, So what we put out there in the universe, it does matter. Go ahead, But I can't take responsibility for that because everything I say, I mean, you know what I mean, Like if if do you remember when we were back in the Gap, Willie, when when the state trooper got killed up in Austin or whatever and they tried to blame it on the music that he was listening to, Like, yeah, that's like saying the devil made me do it. You know that.

That's bullshit to me, Like the devil didn't make me do that. Y'all remember that seemed like the early nineties, y'all got a lot of heat from the fiends and the media and stuff like what they were blaming the music of blaming the music for like a lot of things that what happened is that I think I remember that. Yeah, but they never put anything on you know the films mhm. You know, they never put responsibility on the situation that the growing up. They never they never gave a responsibility

to the parents, to the upbringing of the child. You know why this ship happened in the first place, you know, even why we think like we do. You know, that's the weird product of the environment. And you can blame music for that ship all you can look at the real corporate culprit of that ship. You know why. It's an interesting the economy and and that and that have you have. You know, on one end, you got the parents responsibility because everything starts at home. We know that.

Being on the other hand, as all, we cannot just say that we don't have any type of responsibility at all. I think all of us have a responsibility because it takes, it does take a village to raise a child. And so when when mama and daddy can teach a child everything the right way, and if that child ends up at a party and some food pulls out a gun and starts just shooting, your child becomes a casualty, you know, because that other child didn't have the village looking out

for him. It's like I said, it's it's it's a combination of all factors. It's not just music. It's the music does get a lot of a lot of the bad rap. But I was taught seeing this believing, so I believe that. I believe that the movies are more dangerous, but they never get the blame. Of course, because hip hop is the low hanging fruit. We we get the attacks because and we're more accessible, you know, like a you know, a little Dirk is more accessible than Appacino.

You know, so so when you see that, you know, Opportuno is like out of sight, out of mind, right and we only see him on the big screen. Uh, But Dirk is like on Instagram. He's talking ship. You know, he's talking this ship. You know. You know, yeah, they talk, They're they're more accessible, so it's easy say, oh man, they're doing this and this and this that. In the third,

I think that all of us ask some responsibility. This is why even though my life I feel like it's on a on a on a great trajectory right now, even my children's life, you know, I feel like it's incumbent upon me, as an elder to all to put the information out there for those youngsters who ain't getting it. So that's why that's why I say that I disagree because you're raised your children right, Willie, and your children are in position right now to prosper from their upbringing.

That's true. But what I'm what what I'm saying is that we don't have the luxury of not helping those kids who filed Shart. We don't have that luxury because no matter what our children interacts with those children, you see what I'm saying. So I feel like and not just our children in act with those children at some point. Imagine a kid who's who's growing up in the hood. Nobody ever asked him, Hey, man, man, I got a couple of tickets to the game. You want to go?

I got an extra ticket to the game. You want to go. Hey, we're going to the park, We're going to the beach. You want to go with us? Instead of just listening, looking at him and saying all that boy problematic, That boy's gonna get in trouble, he's gonna get he gonna get killed if you don't, if you don't reach out to that kid, perhaps some day when you're a little older and you can't defend yourself as

good you don't walk as fast swiftly. Perhaps that's the kid that's that's crawling through your window while you're while you're laying up in the bed, you know, laid out. I just I just don't feel I feel like there can be any child left behind unless that child actually just wants to be left behind. We have to reach out. Some of these kids just don't have the right information.

They don't even know that they have the option. They don't even know that the option exists for them, and and and a lot of it is that people in our age group are not giving the information up because they feel like, well, they're not gonna listen anyway, and so they don't even want to take the time out to share the information. We are we are responsible for whatever condition that this generation is in today. We are

directly responsible us as a generation. The generation that precedes the current generation is always responsible for that current generation. And we didn't do a good job, man, we just didn't do a damn good job. Not that that's that's not an excuse for the youngsters have just said, well, okay, since they didn't do a good job, I dropped the ball. They dropped the ball, so I ain't got to pick

it up. I'll just do whatever I want to act reckless or whatever, and and and have no responsibility for whatever. It's not to say that they shouldn't do that. I'm just saying that we were coupable broke, like we don't. We don't get a free pass on this ship. Let

me put some one in your mind. Um, I feel like the elected officials should put ship in place where these kids come you know back they can come out of high school with uh pieces of paper that allows them to be you know that take trade that you know, uh carpenters, masons, uh, electricians, plumbers or what have you. You know, I feel like ninety percent of our kids are not going to go to college, you know, out

of our community because from where we come from. Not not our kids, but the kids come out of the neighborhood, out of Sunnyside, you know, uh fifth ward that they may not be able to go to college and may not be able to afford go to go to college. But and they may not have the desire to go

to college. But if you put trade, if you if they come out of high school with a certificate, and they have an opportunity to provide themselves a livable wage, and I think that that that would give them more incentive to to to push on with life and state of funk out the streets and out you know, of trouble that's so easy to get into when you don't have an alternative. I can't tell you not to go and rob this old lady. You know it's wrong. I know it's wrong. But you can say money, you don't

know it's wrong. Well, you can still tell them not to do it. It's just that different. It's alternative, for sure. Yeah, you can, you can offer not turn it. But at the end of the day, you know, you know you can tell them not to do it. You should tell them not to do it. But at the end of the day, it's still going to be their choice and their consequences. I can do it, yeah, but I want to help, want to help in every way that I can. But you know Bucket made, you know what you made.

But well, let me say this. And here's the thing, man, I think that we can as men, you know, in our community. Um, I believe that the strength of the black community will lean solely on the strength of its men. You know, when you're not first, it's what I mean of its men. Uh you know when when you're not

first became friends. I'm glad to know you too, Bron never always admired, you're working everything, like you know the thing you said to me that that uh, then let me know, Okay, this is a guy I can I can rock with as you. He was talking about white supremacy and you said, ain't nothing you could do to me that I can't do to you. And that's an

empowered statement. That's not one of these victims statements like oh look at what they're doing to us, right I'm trying to it like like men are not supposed to be should be victims, Like either you think about sports or war or whatever, you can't be like, well, the reason we keep losing football games because every time we get the ball they just take it like that makes

you sound like a pump, you know. And and so I think that as men, I think that we can kind of say, okay, let's let's not worry about who to blame. Let's not blame anybody right away, you know what I mean, Like, let's not even talk about if people want to take some blame like you took some responsibility and took it on your shoulder. That that's cool. But I think also without convicting hip hop and saying oh, it was the rappers and it is, we could just say, Okay,

we know rappers have power. That's all I need to know. I don't really need to oh, how the power was used in the past, and if it's the rappers fault for this and fault for that, it's like, we know rappers have power. I don't think that can be denied, right, So the question to me becomes, if I'm a rapper and I'm conscious I care about my people, how do I use that power in a way that's going to

make sure that from this point forward we're winning. Right, Well, I'm gonna help my team win, Like how we got here is how we got here. But I can take some accountability for helping the team win going forward. And and I'm gonna tell you, man, I checked out both of y'all's music that you put out a little bit. I don't I probablyn't seen it all, but I saw you did a song where you were in the community, you were walking through the hood. You would say you

had an empowering message. I don't remember the exact part of the song. But like you said, it was and I noticed this trend like with you and and and you both of y'all and also cute, like it's like, wow, these guys the music has gotten better because they know their power. They're not just twenty two year olds that are just you know, trying to stay relevant. Like now, you're older men who have lived life and you have

a perspective. You know, you're not afraid. I know you're not scared to go to war, to fight, to do whatever. But and why soldier is a person who understands the real tragedy and the pain of war. Right And and then so the soldiers. The guy who's gonna say I don't want to go to war, right, it's the stupid ass who's never been the war who's like, no, you're

we need to go fight and need to go. No, a guy who's really been in the battle is like no, no, no, no, We're willing to do that if we have to, but that's not gonna be our first option, right. So, right, and that's what coming to to us happen to go to war. It is it is it is that And I'm not meant me say this, and like, like you said, uh, what could I But what could I do to use my platform to enlighten my people and let them know?

I think the first thing that I could say is that I'm not intimidated by white supremacy, and they should not be either. You should not be on on television, uh, you know, crying because this white supremacist is doing what they're doing. You shouldn't do that. You should match absolutely not and you and you probably get some backlash for

that now and not get some backlash for coach. Yeah, you know, like you know what what I'm what I'm saying is that you have people that are apologists for criers, you know, like not like I'm like this bro, Like you know, I'm not one who subscribed to the idea that man should not cry into any circumstances. But when it's war, Bro, when you're under attack, that ain't the time to cry. That is not the time to cry that that that is the when it's war is the time.

That is the time for war. You did what I'm saying, But you know what that is that that's uh because they get rid of so many of your men with you know, when Clinton and Biden signed those crime bills. Our community became a feminine community with a lot of feminine energy kind of rolls to the top. So when Ice Cubes stepped up, it was like, no, you're not You're not get votes from black people without delivering something. I mean, it's a basic message. Right. People were like,

whoa wait, what is this? And they, because they're not used to the black community being represented by masculine energy, to say like, I don't I'm not trying to be your friend. I don't care how many nice things you say about me. Uh, it's fun you pay me right, that like, basically, you know that you deliver for us, we deliver for you. If not, then that's fine. And and and that to me was something that um represented.

I think that represent an important part of black political history because as a result of seeing that all kind of go down and how it's played out, the next election is going to be different than the last one. And they're watching it, they're like, Okay, black people not as dumb as we thought they were years ago. They're getting that's why they're putting different uh obstacles in place in order for you to vote. You know, they're making it more difficult and more difficult for black people and

brown people to vote. And that's why I don't understand why we donna take advantage of the opportunity to do so, because the more we sit back and watch from the sideline, the more they get to put their players on on on the field and dictate our future. You know, in the long run, that's that's that's just wrong, bro. But but if I haven't having said that, Brad, uh boys, I know you know you have the same concept about this voting things as Cuba is, Like, what am I

getting out of it? And you're not getting my vote unless I got something up front. We need to make a deal right now? How do we get how do we how do we how do we merge that gap and and be and be able to be a part of the process. Where you got people like Brad that's saying, yeah, we gotta vote, we gotta be a part of the process. But at the same time you step in and saying, yeah,

but we gotta get something out of it. And how do you convince those people who maybe may feel like we got to vote no matter what, how do you convince them that you get but you gotta get something out of it. So what what if you okay, check this up. Let me ask a question. If you elect an official and you don't hold their feet to the fire, that show fault. It's not about not getting what you asked for. It's about going in there and making them

make good on a promise. Okay, that's what. But but but in politics, in politics, you you cut the deal before you put them in office. You cut the deal before you go, and then you hold the deal. The deal gotta be cut. It's gotta be an agreement. Okay, this is what we want and and yeah, I need you to agree to it. Now, here's the thing. Haven't said that. I did not give body my vote this time around. I did not give Byden my vote because he agreed to say, Okay, yeah, I'm gonna do this.

I gave him. I gave Biden my vote because I can't stand Donald Trump ass. I mean, I don't care what none of y'all Trump supporters say. I don't give a damn about Donald Trump. I don't like him. I got tired of looking at his ugly ass face, his stak mouth talk. I just wanted to get rich, stop seeing his stak ass every single second in the news eighteen stories out of twenty Donald Trump. And he's attacking everybody.

He's attacking football, he's attacking baseball, basketball, He's attacking his constituents. He's attacking uh with vetter veteran widows. He's you know, he's a military he's attacking veterans. He's attacking military widows. He's attacking his own damn colleagues, and and and and his members of his cabinet. And I just was ready to get rid of his ass. Nah. I knew that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden would be who they are

because I know who they are. And when they said, when they when Kamala stepped up there and said that America is not a racist country, When Tim Scott stepped up and said America is not a racist country, what was your reaction. I wasn't surprised. I wasn't surprised at all. We we know it's uh, well, you know, you gotta remember that that Um, I think everything you said is accurate for sure, right Trump? You know whatever, man, that guy's not he I mean, I'm surprised he got elected. Period.

He's not a statesman. He's a talk show he's he's he's a reality star. He's not a statesman. He's a clansman, right, right.

But but this is where what I add in, though, is that you can't tell me that Biden, who pushed that crime bill that locked up more black people than any leader in American history, wasn't also claned like behavior clan can't even pull that off, you know, so, so so I don't I give the thinger to both of them, to be honest with you, but I look at things just in a practical standpoint where it's like, Okay, I'm not really mad at white people for protecting what they got.

I just don't you know, I'm not mad at you because because I protect what I got, I'm not mad at you. In fact, I'm not even mad at you if you think you're white supremacist, because that don't that don't have to matter to me. It don't matter to me because I believe in black excellence. You might even call me a black supremacist. I believe that, right, No, right, I you know, I believe that blackness is beautiful, perfect, wonderful and extraordinary and that we can't be stopped. That's

what I believe. So you can I almost argue that I believe I'm a black supremacist because I would rather be friends with a black person that supremacist in American right, right, right, But but I have a preference, right, And let me just say this too, let me say this, right, we believe that lingering out that they'll pick it up and start running when it is right, right, right, right right,

We're not We're not hate nobody, right right. I believe that if you love yourself enough, you don't have to hate anybody, and you don't really give a ship if anybody hate you. Yeah, I get my love comes from my people, comes from myself. Man, I don't really You could tell me, like, if some toothless hill billy in a grocery store decides to call me the inn word, why do I give a funk that person? You have no power. The time when you have is the power I give you when I make you relevant enough to

respond to you. You know what, All that's true, But still it wouldn't hurt to make that toothless and well you know I'm not. I'm not gonna stop that. But here's the thing. Remember though, when you decide to go out and you with your kids, they call you the inn word. You punch the toothless hill billy out, you go to jail. You know you might lose your you lose your job. You know all these because think about your butt. Let let's well, let's flip it. And let's

flip it. Right. If I went up to a white somebody that's walking down the street. Man, here, take that right there. But let's say I'm a black man with no power and I go up to a white a rich white man, and I call him, you know, some terrible word whatever work the worst word you can think of? Do you think he's a mess of his rich white man life? The worst thing that you can come? Revenge on me? What's what's the worst thing you can call? What do you think the worst thing you can call

a rich white man? I have no idea. Where do you think colling? What you can call him? The worst thing you can call collect? What? Call him collect? Good as good assid you know the worst thing you can come the same thing that you can call a poor white man a nigga? Call him a nigga? What? Because many of them they ain't been called that? So when you call one of the racist one that they ain't got no combat because that nigga is their power. Racism

is their power. They use that man like that's the superpower. Like without racism, without that word there, there's nothing anyway. But they are really enough without racism. They need those words to survive. They need that type of mentality they need they feel to feel relevant. Well, they need our energy. What they their power also comes to the fact that they can control us with their words. What type of person would want to stand over what kind of man

would want to stand superior over another man? I don't know. That's that's that's a complex with no but if you read if you read the book like Power Nomics, you know Dr CLAUDEA. Anderson kind of breaks down racism and race as a competition. Right, So you think about sports. If you play basketball, you want to be you want to stand over the other team, you want to be the one who want to be. That's fine, that's a that's a team sport. But you don't want to be

a man? Uh. That that's you know, overpowering another man and stopping him from making his moves. That ship is a game, This ship is real life. I would want to stand over another man? You know and and be supreme, you know, like you're talking about like like like being a slave master basically something like that, like even the day Well, you know one thing, you got to realize it. But right, I don't saying capitalism. That's what capitalism is.

You either you either the boss or you're not the boss. I've made it. I decided that if if I'm gonna play the game at all, I want to be the boss. You know, and we're not. And here's but you're not gonna You're not gonna stand on another boss and stop. No I don't. I don't want stop people from rose. What I do is I say, look, this is what the agenda is gonna be, and if people try to get in the way, then we might have a conflict

over that. But ultimately, when it comes to like certain territories, and I think every I think every black man that that wants power needs to find some space where you could be the boss. I don't like like like in my house some power like that. Well, and I don't know. I want to. I want to. I want to range supreme in my own domain. I run my fucking house. I don't run around my house. You know what I'm saying, I'm comfortable with the size of my dick. I'm comfortable.

I'm comfortable with the car drive. You know, I'm comfortable with the money I have. I'm good, Okay, So I don't you know, it would be fucked up if I went and stood over someone of another race, and and and and kept trying to belittle them, you know, calling them all kind of fucking names or whatever to make myself feel good. That's just a that's just a sign of a person with low self esteem. And you have to stand up over somebody to make yourself look big,

you know, mother fuker. I don't have to try to make myself look big, motherfucker. I am big. Yeah, well, I do agree with that. I think it's big. It's an evil kind of energy, you know, and I I think that. You know, the way my father used to talk to me about things is he helped me understand early that the world is evil. You know, if you go back and you look at a hundred thousand years of history, evil men have always come along and said, if you can't protect what you got, I'm gonna take it.

You know, I'm gonna take take your stuff, your woman, your children all of that. To your point, there's people that actually take pride in that. Sometimes I'm online and people talk about how, uh, you know Americans, you know, white Americans just stole, rape, pillaged everything and went over and conquered places and stuff, and and then you'll hear somebody, somebody will comment somebody that at least act like that

they're white. Online they say something like, well, you know, survival of the fittest, you know that type of thing, get on your ass. Yeah, we'll see yeah, yeah, yeah, Well you know, I think that you can have I believe you can't exist in peace, you know, like like what's what's mine is mine, what's yours and yours? And we ain't got a fight, like you know, like Hitler violated that. He decided, okay, I see poland over, I won't.

I want what you got and that's when he started his invasions and all that, right and and and so to me, it's like where that can fall apart, though, is what if we went into a situation where we both feel entitled to the same thing, you know, like like I got my woman, you got your woman, you got your woman, or whatever case may be. What if we both have our eyes on the same woman. At that point there may be a competition unless one of

us says, okay, you can have I'm gonna walk away. Right. So, I think the same thing happens with land, same thing happens with money, that you run into this and the other thing too. Now here's the other thing too. What if you what if you ain't working with nobody, you're just sitting there and chilling and somebody another man just comes along and says, I want what you got? You gonna You're gonna eat your corn bread? Right, what are you gonna do? I believe you have to be prepared

to defend yourself. That's my point, right, And I think that defense is necessary no matter who you are, because if you if you don't you know you, you can choose not to be evil, but that doesn't mean evil. I believe evil people will always exist. State of defense. I'm always on the on the defense in my old age, when I was in middle school, not on the offense. I'm on I'm on defense. When I was in middle school, that was a dude named Richard Burdon me and Richard

cool not so I could tell his story. Richard Burton Richard Burton used to terrorize people at lunch. He would lunch and breakfast. He'd go come up to your plate and he stand over and said you want that, and he put his hand right in your potatoes or on your food or whatever. He just sticking thing right now. They'll be like people be like, no, you can have it. So I'm watching him doing this, like I'm watching him bullying for about a whole month at the beginning of school.

Yeah right, I'm watching him just just played after plate, student after student. Richard finally tried and when I saw him coming, I was ready. He stuck his uh finger in my place, said you want this, and I had my fucker said yeah, motherfucker I wanted. I stabbed the ship out of his ass with that. Fun went right

through his hand, and so well, I said. I said that to say, if you already know you're dealing with bullets, and you see the bullet coming, you already see what the bully is doing, it's easy to get the bullet because the bullet is gonna underestimate you. The bully is gonna think you just like everybody else. You're gonna boy down just like everybody else. You're gonna take it, just like everybody else. And then one day the bully runs

up into somebody who ain't gonna take it. And I'm one of those who ain't gonna take it ever, And that's what people don't understand, Like, you know, it's it's easier to stand up and fight than it is the coward. You know, if you fight, then you don't have to deal with that person or anybody else as much because the word I get around. First of all, you taught that personal lesson, and then everybody else like nah, so what he did, I don't think I won't knowne of

that with him. You know, bullies pick their targets. No, no different from the way pimp picks. He knows which women or make good holes and which women don't. You know, he's not gonna go after that woman that's empowered and educated and has have self esteem. He goes after the easy prey. Right, So the same thing is true. You know, we look at white supremacy. That's the type of bullying.

And I think that black people who fight back, I don't think they deal with you as the same as they deal with black people who are gonna always accommodate and The hard thing about a bully is that people don't understand bully energy. You know, bullies are naturally greedy, like they're like like the schoolyard bully is the original capitalist. Capitalism unfortunately, in its worst form, is very greedy. It's

like it's never satisfied. Right. So if you think, oh, I'm gonna give the bullies five dollars because you know, maybe that'll make and leave me alone, No, next time he's gonna come back, he's gonna ask for tim you know, if you've got something else, he's gonna take that too, because he knows the easy target, you know. So I think in general, that's why it's important for black men to always be fighters, because even if you lose the fight the bully, even when he wins, he's still bleeding

a little bit. He's still kind of like dowmn, like, Okay, this is not there. You go there, you go like people, And that's what I And then I think also just for the women, you know, I think that the women, some of the black women, when they're dealing with like this whiny, weak little men, I think they get so um disheartened because they're like, we don't expect you to always win, but we expect you to always fight. Man. Now, you can't drop that when it's attached. But anyway, man,

you just dropped the mic on that one. Man. Yeah, you gotta fight. Man, you got to fight. We don't expect you to always win, but we expect you to always fight. Yeah, man, I learned. But you know, but that's the thing. I have you drop jewels. I had you dropped the mic at his wedding up boys boys dropped the mic doing his during his vials. Man, I was like, oh, everybody, I guess I did it right. Yeah, so you mentioned Dr Claude Anderson please enlightened like a

black economists or something, right, Dr Dr Claude? When when did you first hear of Dr Claude? First of all, family, the guy is a genius. He's he's a genius. Uh, and he's been putting in the work for a long time and he's a hero. You know, when when did you first hear about it? I met him for the first time in two thousand or six, and uh, when did you hear about him first? I think that might have been the first time I knew anything about his work? Yeah,

you know, and he wrote power omics. And the thing about about pomics, it's like he wrote two books that everybody once power Omics, the other ones Black Labor White Well and Black labor White wealth. Is powerful because it gives you all that history, that black history that you're

not gonna get in school. Like, he will tell you things that you that your history teachers never gonna tell you about how we got to where we are right now, Exactly how they took the wealth out of black people, exactly what laws they put in place, how they structured white supremacy to the core, so you'll understand how to fight it. Uh. And so like for example, a lot of people don't even know that. Actually that whole idea of enslaving somebody for life, actually it came from a

black man. There was a black man from England who came in. I guess he thought it was one of the white people. Came over with all the white folks. They gave him some slaves, and at that time, all the slaves were indentured servants. They would only work for the master for a certain amount of time. Well, uh, he had he would he would just keep his slaves for life. You know, he didn't he didn't do what everybody else did. He would just keep him, you know,

for six years. So one white guy came over to the plantation and he talked to one of one of the guy slaves, and the uh, he said, how long have you've been working there? He said, oh, I've been here forty five years. You know. He said, you he ain't gonna let you go. He said no, He told me, I gotta be here for life. So the white guy told, no, no, you don't have to do that. You can leave like you you ain't gotta work here no more. So the

guy ran off. He left, and so the black guy who owned the slaves, he sued the white guy who told his slave that he could leave, and the black guy won the lawsuits. I don't have the guy's name in front of me, and since that time he dr Anderson was telling the story. He said, so at that point, white folks said, Okay, now we know we can actually enslave people from the time they're born to the time they die. We don't have to let them go. So it was a black man, believe it or not, that

started that whole trend of enslaving people for life. Like that's the type of stuff that Dr Anderson knows and teachers that that they never really explained to you. It doesn't mean so you're not so now, you know, just like when they found out that there were black people that was involved in the slave trade in Africa, you're giving them another excuse to say even the pole. No, no, no, it's not an excuse because the primary beneficiaries of slavery

have been white. That the wealth in America, the number one factor that tells you who benefited from slavery is the fucking wealth. You gotta follow the money. They'll talk about they'll talk about everything on the table except for the money to tell you black lives matter. Yeah, they's a black lives matter. We got a new bill we're passing through for civil rights. I don't give it. I don't pay attention to none of that. I pay attention

to the wealth. When you talk about the money, that's when I know you're serious, because they'll give you symbolism, but they won't share the wealth. And basically, the vast, overwhelming majority of the wealth is in the hands of people who are not black because they stole that from us. So, so don't get me wrong, I mean, it's it's just a factual piece of information. It fits in what you're

talking about. You talk about you know, you said you're at the wedding you're talking about you use a coon hunter, right, Well, you know he was one of the original coons, right, you know, because that's crazy. Most black people wouldn't do that kind of thing. But I think to understand the system itself, we know who the beneficiaries were, we know who lost the most. You can trace all of this.

They don't even have to study this. They like, they're like, oh, we might do a study this, and that's nothing but the delay tactic that they use in politics all the time. That's why I have no faith in the politicians, because they'll they'll. What they do is two ways they keep the they avoid doing things for blacks. One is they create lots of ambiguity, like they're saying, well, we didn't do anything for black people because we didn't know what

they wanted. Well, when black people showed up, when serious fucking people show up and say we have a list, they don't meet with those people. Ice Cube had the contract with Black America. He consulted with scholar, He talked to Dr Claude Anderson. He talked to me, he talked to the brothers and teaching Ohio State, like these were scholars that put this ship together. Biden was like, what, we might meet with you after the election. But but Cube was smart enough to say, no, after the election

is over, we have no leverage. And guess what. So it's it's it's it's so it's the ambiguity. It's like, oh, well, we just don't know what black people want. Well, it's because you're not listening to the people that are that have specifics that they want. Second thing is they use delay, like with the whole thing, like we'll talk to you

after the action. Who false of that? That's stupid, you know, that's like a baby, I'll I'll take you out after after you give me the pussy, Like, no, you she has no leverage at that point and she knows that. So it's just it's stupid. Right. So basically they play us like suckers every time. Man. And that's why I'm really frustrated with the politician. Man. Listen, if why are they trying to take that part of our history away from us? Well, because we shouldn't be letting other people

educate our kids anyway. And I know, you know, what I'm asking is like, what what's the thing called man that? No? Man's something that's going on right now in government? Um? Were they're putting it to where they can't even teach it and if they can't even put it in the textbooks no more? Um? What is that call, y'all? Ship? I thought I think it was critical race there as you talk about they passing laws and stop it getting taught. Yeah,

why why would they do that? Um? Because because the story gets told by the person who won the fight, you know, that's it. History gets told by the victors. You know, like even the way they talk about World War Two where you can't even you can't even talk about Hitler and the Nazis that you know, on any level because they just decided, we don't want you to learn anything about any of this. So we we we we have there's no room to justify anything that differs

from our point of view. So so what we have to do is control our history. Man. I mean, I think think about this, right, you have hundreds of thousands, if not over a million followers. I got hundreds of thousands, you got I'm sure massive following online. Add up all the black folks that they really care about black people.

We can teach our own people. We do not need no body else to do this, right, So, so I think that what we do is taking upon ourselves to just kind of say, hey, look here, we're gonna have some facts and information that we are going to make sure our people get, you know. And I think that's what we do as black men, as the guardians of our community. Like, no, we don't need to We we got this. You see what I mean? How do I

want to know? How? Like if we're not teaching um about black people in school, which we're not, UM, Like, I don't know how we can get that word out. Well, you know, I remember I'm saying, I'm telling you that, you know, the rappers were the original listening to rapper listening to our rappers doct this. This is one way to do it too. This is another way to do it with this podcast, information and instructions. You know, it's

two things that the truth to do for you. It'll draw you to it run you away from it, so we'll see. Yeah, I think I think I think it will draw people to us to it. Man. I mean, I really think, like you talked about with this podcast. That's one example you got. You have millions of listeners. I mean, I think that collectively we can have more influence over our people in the school system. Can anyway I think about this, What what the kids know more when they go to school? They know more about the

stuff they learned in school? Or do they know more about the lyrics of their favorite artists? You know, I can recite Ghetto Boys lyrics going back twenty years from all the songs I love you know, all my favorite artists I I I that was on repeat. That was when something is repeated in your brain. That's hitting your self conscious mind, like that's going that's becoming a part of who you are. That's my music is more powerful

than me just saying something one time. Like if I'm constantly repeating a lyric or whatever, you know, then that's that's deep. Or if I'm hearing your podcast every day, I'm watching Willie d Live every single day, well that's gonna be a part of me. Like people meet you and they're like, I feel like I know you. You You

know what I'm talking about. I go through that right, So I personally believe that again, this is as men, like we just gotta at least fight and it might not win, but we gotta fight, right, we just say, you know what, we're gonna make sure this information gets out there. You know, I read, I'll open up I'll open up Powonomics and I would be like, I'm gonna read from page to fifty five and dont and I'll read it and I'll give people some facts that they

never heard. A hundred thousand people watch that video that that may not be everything, but that's something, you see what I mean, Like like, we don't need gatekeepers anymore. That we don't, but it's not up to them to dictate what's being talked to our children. Bro. Like that, to me, that's wrong, it's wrong. Man. Like you you you you constantly put obstacles in place for us to trip over the hurdle. You know, you're constantly putting ship in place to make us You know, you you'll put

the water this you want some water for him? And then when I reached for the water, you move it out the way. But you got but we got. But since we know we know the history, then we know they're gonna move the water. So what we what do we do snatch it before they move it. In fact, go and take it out of their hands and then take over the goddamn water plant. You did what I'm saying that they're not distributing. They're not They're not distributing

the water boys. You are a financial expert. Uh. You you have helped a lot of people, uh become uh finally fiscally responsible. Uh. And you have a lot of people make money, you know, with your with your platform on on on YouTube and on your website, which is by the way, what's the name of your website? People go to dr Boys tv dot com doctor and and and and the YouTube channel is your world dr Boys

tv dot com. All right, okay, So what I want to know is this, like for people like oftentimes people think that you need a lot of money to become eventually become financial financially stable, right. Uh. First and foremost, I see what you teach is being becoming physically responsible, because before you can really become financially stable, you have

to become fiscally responsible. Right. And so so how do you get somebody who might be living on minimum wage to buy into that that concept of I don't need a whole lot of money, I just gotta be responsible with the money that I make right now, and and and and find an avenue to make that grow. How do you get that person from that stage to becoming uh, financially stable and then get to a point to where

that that they're thriving and they can eventually build generational wealth. Well, the first thing I would say is that, um, you know, none of us is born poor, meaning that everybody was born with wealth. And the reason that you might not think you had a new wealth like I was. You know, my mother's sixteen when she got pregnant with me and we didn't have shipped money was but uh, you have a lot of things that are valuable. You know. That's why you know, when you get older, people hire you

to come work. You know, your labor is valuable, your your ideas are valuable. You know, hip hop was a multibillion dollar idea that came from us, our athletes. We've got so many things in our communities that that are worth so much wealth, and we may not we may look past that. If you can't identify a lot of people when they're looking for wealth, they're looking for the

money in the room. But there's like there's a lot of money in this room, even no matter how much money we have in our pockets, like our our brands are worth money, you know, all of that. Right, So I think being able to identify the money. Think about like hunting, you know, if I'm a hunter or trying to survive in the wilderness. Uh, some people go in the wilderness and starve to death, you know, because they

don't know what to do. But a hunter, somebody who knows how to survive in the wild, they were like, oh, there's plenty of food, there's berries, there's there's animals, and you know, like they can see all of that. Right, So the ability to just see it is that first step to being able to say, Okay, I'm gonna go when the money is that right. So I personally think, for example, that every child in our community at some point should go through some kind of training program to

just learn the different ways people make money. Right, Like like like if I'm trying to be a great basketball player and I never go to the basketball court and I've never seen a basketball, how do I can't even school? I can't s going no points, you know, you know, so we have to sort of look at it, like, you know, if somebody is having to struggle and figuring

out like what the next move should be. The question that we want to ask ourselves is how much time have we spent really study and even where the money is at? You know. It's so for example, and I grew up and we talked about making money, first thing I heard was get a job. You want to make money, get a job. It was until I got older that I learned that the people to make the real money don't even work. You know, they don't even work for the money, right yeah, yeah, So again I started off,

what do they do for the money? Because I got tell what they do boys where I can see it. You ain't gotta work for the money. Well yeah, you gotta have a plan, right, So so here I'll tell you a couple of key key things. Number One, when they study, like like who has the most money in this country and stuff like that, they find that and just investing consistently in the stock market, even small amounts of money is the big difference, man, because that's the

divide between the rich and the poor. Uh. And I'm talking about somebody like I put it put together, so I did some math on it. With five dollars a day, right, less less money than you can you you can't even buy popfeas checking value meal for five dollars a day. But with five dollars a day, if somebody invested that consistently without I mean, I'm talking about no knowledge of stocks. They did this experiment. They did it with monkeys, and

it worked with monkeys. So monkeys don't know ship, right they so literally a person investing five dollars a day with no experience, if they even if they're randomly picking different stocks and just leave the money, don't mess with it, don't touch it. By ten years, it grows into about an average about twenty nine thousand dollars, and twenty years it grows to about a hundred thousand dollars. Thirty years it grows to a quarter million dollars. Forty years, you've

got three quarters a million dollars. That's one generation, So you can go from one in one generation. Again, five dollars a day, but it could be two dollars, they could be ten dollars a day. Right, the numbers might change, but but but the idea is the same. Uh. It's that consistent investment, that automatic kind of activity that builds that wealth because you already do this. We everybody already does exactly what I just described, except you do it in the reverse direction. You do it in a way

where it's making somebody else rich and not you. Like, for example, most of the people want yeah, man, most of the people watching right now have probably paid rent to somebody. Right. So so if you're paying rent, let's say you're paying you know, seven eight hundred dollars a month, right, which is pretty low in Chicago. You can get ship for the eight hundred dollars a month. Let's say it's eight hundred dollars a month, and you're doing that consistently,

like every month for your landlord. And we do that because we gotta have a place to live. Or your landlord if he's taking that money and he's let's say he's flipping that money, putting it into the stop market on real estate. By the time you've done that about maybe thirty years, you've made your landlord a millionaire. They will make over, like I gotta show you the math where they will have over a million dollars that they can leave their kids because you paid your rent on

time every month. So that's why it's important at some point all of us, especially they grew up without a lot of money to find a place where you jump the fence. Right, Capitalism is powerful and it's also devastating if it's used in the wrong way. Right, You do not want to be a victim of capitalism if it's gonna happen, you want to be a beneficiary. So think of it like a horse and jockey situation. Right, you're looking at watch the Kentucky Derby. The horses do all

the work, The horses do all the running. The jockey gets all the credit, The jockey gets all the money. Right. Well, well, capitalism is like that. You got the horses, you got the jockeys. So you think about real estate, which is another area where people make a lot of money. Well, who are the horses? Who are the jockeys? The horses are the renters. The renters are paying the bills, right, the jockeys are the landlords. Like I gotta I bought a condo with my girl not too long ago. The

mortgages like eight hundred a month. The tenant pays US seventeen hundred a month. And I said, this is insane. This person is buying this house for us right now In Chicago. Yeah, and we got other we got other property. Man, I'm looking for those type of returns Mann. Yeah. Man.

But you know, if you do the same thing in Houston too, though maybe maybe it's not seventeen, but it will be some amount where the tenants rent will exceed the amount of your mortgage, and if they pay the rent consistently, then they really have bought that house for you. You get the house. Where's another horse and jockey? Another example? Uh, you look at when when most of us are trained. This is where white supremacy gets us. A lot of us are trained early to go work for other people,

and that we're working for other people in other communities. Right, So the horse is the employee. The employees putting in the work. You're sacrificing thousands of hours of your life. You spend more time with your bossing on your job than you spend with your own damn kids. Right, we were trained to think that way. This is not supposed to be like that. They trained us specifically to do that. When you go to college. For the only thing they teach you in college a lot of times it's how

to go work for somebody. That's why universities exist. That's why HBCUs exists to create better employees. Right. Well, well, well the horse, you are the horse. When you the employ you die at your desk because you grind it so hard. In this corporation, the jockey is the shareholders. The jockeys are the people that own the company. Uh you know, like I owned stock in a lot of companies. Man, I make money just because people go to work every day and then the stock price goes up and I

make money from that. Right, so, so, so you want to be the jock the horse, not the jockey. You made the jockey, not the horse. The third area would be, um, let me see it's stocks, real estate. Well sorry, when you're talking, okay, stocks, real estate, and owning the business are goo. Those are the three areas. So basically the third ones. And let me make sure throw this out there too. When you go buy stuff, right, black people

are extraordinary consumers, Like we love to buy things. Like when they write research reports on how to get money out of blacks, they talk about black people will buy stuff, especially for celebrity endorses and if celebrity says by it, they're gonna go buy it. This is what they write in their reports and the corporations. Right. So we love to buy stuff. We always fly the shoes, the new iPhone, whatever. Right. So the horse is the consumer who's buying things. The

jockey is the producer who makes the product. Right. So in this system, it's okay to be a consumer. It's okay to sometimes be a renter, it's okay to sometimes be an employee. But you don't want to do that your whole life because you spend your whole life doing all the work and getting none of the benefit. All

that money is trickling up, you know. So you want to train your kids like, look, I want you like, we have a thing we tell our kids, and we have a kids program in the Black Business School, and we tell them to keep your poise and poises p o I s E and stands for what we want them to be. You want to be a producer, you want to be an owner, you want to be an investor, you want to be a saver, and you want to

be an entrepreneur. If you do those things, if you teach those things, like you look at all the kids in the hood that the hustle and have all the skill and can do all these other things. Um, if We just, for example, created entrepreneurship centers for young black males in every city across America. That would increase black wealth by a couple of trillion dollars. Because I know most brothers don't enjoy working for other people. They just would never taught any other option. Yeah, uh, you know,

we can go all day, man, but that's our time. Man. We appreciate you coming on, man, and you got so much to you got so much more to offer, Man, so much I would I would love to. I would love to sit down again and pick your brain real soon on on this show, man, because Dr Watkins is the troop. Mind. Y'all don't understand. I appreciate you, man, and congratulations again on on on the on the on the wedding, you know, the marriage, the beautiful bride, y'all

look good man. In the food, damn that food was good man. You know, I tried to get another plate. Man. It wouldn't give me another It wouldn't give you another plate. Man. They were like, yeah, yeah, we we got a brother brother came down from Dallas and made the food. Man. We tried to get all black everything for like who were hiring on man? That food man. That look, man, I've been to a few ways and that food was actually that that was some good food. Man. Crab cakes, Man,

crab cakes and filate me young damn it man. Yeah yeah, we had some soul food for the rehearsal dinner. Yeah yeah, handsome man. We had, Man, we had rehearsal dinner. Man. We had uh what was it? Uh, let's see, um, macaroni and cheese. It was. It was some chicken. It was some uh salmon, I can't remember. It wasn't it wasn't salmon. It was it was cash fish, some collared greens. Uh, what's you know? And then you know, some peach coplin, some sweet. It was on point. And in the beach

house is big old, three story beautiful beach house. Man. Oh man. Yeah, they did it up. They did it in the style. Man. Everything was spraying. Then they had this chick name Victory Man that was singing. Yeah, Victory Boy was Victory's last boy boy. Yeah, Victory Man. And she she lives in our New Jersey. But she cold blooded man, man. Yeah, yeah, she she's blowing up to man. She's signed with rock Nation, killing me. You know, I think actually she I think on Kanye's last album. She

wrote three songs. You know, so she's like every time people see her for the first time, it's like that man, that that voice smooth like self. Man. Yeah, man, Well if I if I met you before, I would have invited you. Brother. No, trust me, I'm not moving around right now anyway. But I congratulate you on your marriage and thank you. You know, many many years of love, wealth and health. Enough time to spend that, you know what I mean, enough time to enjoy it. Thanks for

coming to the show you. Thank you really appreciate that. And and thanks for your wisdom and your knowledge you know, uh with with with all that you speak to us, man, we really appreciate that. And um, thank you. I'm sure our community, our community could really use some of those words, man, because right now it's just a whole lot of fucking mumble ship going on and we need sound decision makers and sound speakers to address our community now because we

don't have any. So we appreciate you again, Thanks so much, oh brother, No More, No More Talks. This episode was produced by a King and brought to you by the Black Effect Podcast Network at Our Heart Radio