Big Hits and Politics feat. Robert Wilson

Don't get it twisted on code and me and danceing for no buttament biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scar faces in the building. Collectively we are the ghetto Boys. Reloaded, Reloaded with another episode of information and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio, Robert Wilson Jr. Say, Man, how does a guy from Worth in high school make it to the NFL? You was drafted in the third round by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

It pick overall, sir, How do you how do you get that? Because you're straight from the hood, man, You just like us you're at the hood and more specifically from brad neighborhood, South Park, three Wood right Blue Ridge. All that is. Uh, So I had to go back to where I was born, born in Germany and military parents born in Germany. Stay there for till I was three years old, came back to Sunday Side, went back to Germany till I was eight, and uh, you know

that's I always love football, man. Because we had one channel that were play uh American football game, So I was I was hooked as soon as I saw it. And it was Eric Metcalf's dad that I would always see, Terry Mattcalf. He was playing for the Cardinals at the time. So that was my first That was my first NFL hero. Then it was O j Then it was Earl Campbell because I was running back. So I patted myself after those guys. As far as playing football and h being

in the military. My dad, uh, as far as work ethic, you know, he in't still that in me. You know, people like okay, so get in the truck. I'd be like he said the old Domadan bowing. He said, uh, when the dominant got the three miles, He's like, all right, son, I see at the house, you're running even walk, So I'm in i herd to get back to the house. I'm gonna go ahead and run, you know what I mean.

And and so just you know that having that work ethic, being able to go to Denver and train in the summertime, and how do you at this time? I'm fourteen, fifteen sixteen at that time, So at what point did you guys moved to the South side of Houston. I was. We was always here with my mom. Uh. After we came back from that last uh trip to Germany, my parents got divorced and my father ended up retiring in Denver. So I had to make a decision. Well, not only that, um,

my mother and my sister. My mother and my two sisters and my nephew got in a horrible car right, so I lost my mom. Man, Yeah, I lost my mom, lost my sister, and my nephew. M my older sister lived. I'm already here that brow, So I had to I had to make decision on either going to Denver and then with my dad. I'm being raised by my grandparents like a lot of us were in the hood. So I I thought about it, and I based I based it totally on football. I said, Man, they ain't playing

no football in Denver, you know what I mean. I was like, the I'm gonna stay here and I'm staying with my grandparents. So that's that's kind of where that's when I made a decision to stay in Blue Ridge and be raised by my grandparents. And definitely don't regret that because she was my grandmother, was mine. I was like I was telling Brad, my grandmother was was my h biggest fan, you know, And you did your sister

make a full recovery? No? No, they shook up, man, and she ended up, you know, the lack of a better word, on crack. You know, she ended up on crack. But but she she overcame a physical injuries, but she was never able to overcome emotionally because she saw the aftermath of the accident. Oh my goodness. She was still stood outside the car and saw everything. So that's absolutely heartbreaking. Man. Yeah, that was so And that's when I found That's when I found out, man. You know, I was young, and

I said, um, Andre Kelly, and um. It was a preacher that lived across the street and he was preaching one day right before his sermon, he said, he said, you know what, you might see me in my front yard waving, but nobody's passing by. And that's when zoom. It was like zoom to me. That's what let me know. Okay, if something else, it's a higher power, somebody else is taking care of things. Because you know, I had to

figure it out. And how long did it take you from the time that your family was died in that greg to figure that out? Uh? That moment that you were at church and you got that you had that epiphany what it was about. It happened when I was like eleven twelve, and I figured it out when I was like about a year later. Because I I, if you can imagine, I dove into sports. Sports was my relief, my getaway. N did you know what, okay, Coach Blair, Yeah, man, yeah.

Coach rose bro I didn't have nothing. Coach Roseboro took me to the store and bought me shoes to play basketball. I'll be damn coach Glad. Coach Rosenberg, Uh Russian Uh Harris Coach Harris. Coach Harris had the store in Hellwood, Harris Store. Guess what he taught me? He taught me how to drive. I'll be damned. He would say every day, every morning, Wilson gonna move to my car. I'm at Woodson, you know what I'm saying, Wilson gonna move to my car.

So in essence, he taught me how to drive, you know. But he knew. Those those coaches back then, they were they were developed developmental coaches. They don't have that now, hey, And they realized back then that it took a village man, and everybody was involved in the upbringing of those children that went to those schools back then. You know, I haven't seen this Russian and coach Blair a long time.

But when I do get a chance to see, like the older teachers that that taught me in school, the coaches that coached me in school, man, I always tell him, thank you. You know, looking at my life, she could went either way, and they kept a foot on my neck and made sure that I walked that path. You know, even even even even though I did drop out of school because you know, life happens and the career started, they were still very instrumental in me being who I

am today. And know those teachers, man, we appreciate them and I respect him for that because absolutely good teachers. Absolutely. I was thinking, just now, man, going back, my girdfather, who was a Baptist minister, died in a house five and he died trying to save his wife. And I at that moment, man, I was like, I question the hell out of God. I drilled, how are you? How are you? I was fourteen, fourteen, fourteen, fifteen. I was

fifteen when that happened. So I'm fifteen and I'm mad, man, I'm mad for real because I'm thinking, Man, I don't know any people that's more godly than these people. You know, who was more deserving of aging with grace and and you know, seeing their life go the distance and die naturally, you know, for them to die in such a horrific manner. I mean I was really really hot, So you never felt that way. And when your your mother died and your sister died and no, I didn't have time. What

do you mean by that? I didn't have time. I didn't have time, but you were playing sports. Yeah, I didn't have time to question when it had happened. But then when I when I heard the preachers say, I'm be in my yard waving and nobody's passing by? What does that mean to you? That means that if I'm in my yard waving and nobody's passing by, I'm my hand is to God. Mhm mhmm. Okay, that my hand

is to God. That's the only that's that's the only other person entity or whatever that I could be dealing with it that what what's your relationship now with your surviving sister? Actually, man, she's doing great. My dad just this year moved up back to Denver. She's uh, blenders her name. She's uh, she's working again. She never had a time, she never had a problem working. He was just getting out of the hood, you know, and all

of problem ain't getting out of the hood. But it's like Bernie Max said, man, we are all our families got problems, and all our families might have had somebody that that was on drugs, you know. But for for me to see that up close and personal, you know they you know how how that drug made people do things to their families, you know, like they didn't even know him. I've seen I've seen crack cocaine rent wives. I've seen me and rent their wives for a hit

of crack. It ain't this ain't nothing that I heard. This is something that I actually saw man prostitute his wife out for some dopey But do you know see mothers prostitute their daughters. That it's cold blooded? Man. But now but now fast forward, fitting on, hey man, that's fitting on. But but but but see it wasn't it wasn't. It wasn't a tragic epidemic. Crack wasn't that. Crack wasn't a tragic epidemic. It was like, oh, we just dropped it in the hood. Let them deal with it. Now,

the tragic epidemic to them. To them. But now since it's affecting a certain group, now it's tragic. Now, we gotta make laws to stop it. And you know, you know, now it's you know, it's it's it's a it's a level five or whatever drug. And what baffles me is, do you remember that you remember the drug sentencing guidelines when it came to crack and then when it came to powder. What's the difference in the two? Excuse me,

besides the banking. So you know, the trip part about it is that you would think that because because cocaine in its purest form is more deadly, you know, you would think that the time would be stiffer, or if they just be it would just be possession of cocaine. Well, I'm saying, if if you if you're gonna make a difference in the sentencing guidelines, you know you're gonna say

one is one is more harsher than the other. You would think that they would say, Okay, since this is the purest form we get, we you can we catch you with this. You're gone, you know, but it's now now this is the black us. We're gonna hit you hard. And it's kind of that that, you know, these people hear you. Yeah, you got, you got, you get five years ten years probation for a keylo cocaine and a life sentence for a dime rock. Yeah, I mean it's well,

I mean I'm exaggerating, but it's still sick though. And then I think it was Robin Williams that said, here's your cocaine, here's your baking part. You gotta cook this ship yourself ship. Being in the NFL, you've seen a lot, man, I mean, you NFL pretty much don't get any bigger than that. Like, that's that's the ultimate floor, that's the dance for many that's the dance. That's the dance for so so I'm sure that there were times when you walked into rooms and they said, here it is, baby,

have at it. How do you respond the first time you walked in that? What? What? What was it like the first time, because I'm I'm I just assuming that you had to walk it into at least one room and see that and go like you have to make a choice. Uh, not really, man, it was more you never seen that. You never never seen that. I never seen that. It was but how many times have you seen it in the entertainment I'm talking to you, okay, but how many times you never said that I've seen

a few times it was. It was more, you know, the thing that was it was just more of the all the guys with the women for me. For me, you know, it was like, hey, if you live in apartment complex, there's one guy He's like, hey, man, get your ass over here. So I go over there. It's wide open, everybody buck naked. You know what I'm saying. Said ship like that. But other than that, But and then the weed man, we were smoking weeds, you know, in junior high. No, but I'm trying in the league.

In the league, man, we I used to twist my ship up and put it in my suitcase because we went through the we went through uh uh private airports. You think it ever affected your performance, like in a negative way? No, because it it was kind of vibe. Did he give you when you smoke weed? Uh? When I smoked weed, gives it com when you smoke weed. When you smoke weed back there, it's the same. It's the same. It's it's calming, you know, because you know

it's like this man. Uh, I saw Tony Dorset do a thing about his his head, his traumatic head injury, right, all that stuff, and he said, and this is what this shook me up. And I started treating my kids different after I saw that. Yeah, he said, uh, he said his kids, his daughters were petrified. Was scared of him. I think I saw this for thirty or some that was. And he said, he said, the the mood swings, you know, the violent moon swings, and you know, and cocaine to me,

rob but I'm just I'm just saying, but go ahead. No, it's it's it's from it's from head. Yeah, and then you know, you go we go from that's why people people to see these kids, the NFL players run through doors all of a sudden, and and and this and that. That's because all your life you were talked to go. You had to be you know, you had to be from zero to one hundred in the instant. Yeah, you had to be damn you know, you had to be

a little crazy. You had to be. Dis Imagine, I'm running and I'm running from behind me twenty yards and my job is to not slow down and running the running the brat ship. That would be like you know what I'm saying. And that's and that's what you and that's what your job is based on, you know. So that's that's what it is. Man. And I saw that in myself with my kids. By you know, I'm going there in the room not clean. Oh yeah, hey did

you did you play with two tall Jones? No? No, no. Willie Man said that that guy is seventy years old, bro, and he looked like he about forty six Max. Yeah, he looked like man. That man, that man is in great shape. Man. He moving around just two tall too tall Jones man, class act man, good dude man. He played with rogerck Thomas, correct rogerck Thomas got some ship going on with him bull with with with his with

his head from the uh bro. He said he went into Walmart and he bought groceries and they said they got all the way home before he realized that he didn't have the grocers in the car. Like Willie's serious. Man, They boy, what's the kid named that that they say killed his friend? Uh hernandez bro saying he was when they looked at his head to say he was going through ship when he was when he was at when he was at the University of Miami and they interviewed

him in the in the locker room. Yeah, he was. I'm a fucking soldier the fund. You asked me that for you know, that's when I knew the right thing. I said, Okay, Junior, say out but but now and see like say, oh is somebody on the other end of the spectrum. Yeah, but but to where his his brain problems. He dealt with it. But once you so the thing is, man and for y'all are to be putting the mic down, But for us is when you take that helmet off, you cannot replace that. You cannot

replace that. No, it's nothing that's why Dan Passerini drove, uh the sports cars. You know he's racing cars and what happened with Dan Pastorini? No, but that's why he did. He's trying to replace I just saw him in the golf turn. Yeah. No, he's fine, but he but he but we try to replace that, We try to replace that feeling of being inside that helmet. And you can't, you know, you can't. You know so um, but that's why Junior say when he killed himself, he shot himself

in the chest. Come on, and he left he left a note that says, checked my brain. Wow, we're talking about CT and and CT stands for chronic traumatic what what's that? Cephaliza and something like I don't even know. Man, let me look at this ship. No, no, no no, it's it's it's exceptful. I'm just gonna lock except But but you know what, it's so crazypathy something that's cephalopathy and

cephalopathy cephalopathy, chronic traumatic and cephalic cephalopathy. But but yeah, but the problem whatever that means that that's when, that's when, that's when that's uh, that's a disease in your brain that that that that is that is caused by uh trauma like trauma. Blood, trauma like toxic blood in your in your brain, toxic blood. And then what's he not? The tragedy about the ct E is they can't they can't detect it until you're dead. I thought you're ready

to break some bread though they have been. So this is what happened. We found out there's a thing called raising normally. Say that again, what does that mean? That means me and you and Willie. So it was a white boyshting right here. We are inherently not smart. So they went ahead and paid all the white boys. Cut that ship out with the concussion ship. Yeah it's race Norman. Yeah, it just came out. So why why did not? Why did they get paid the white boys? Because race Norman

means that we are Norman. Like you're making that normal race Norman. It's like we So they're saying because we get out knew there's not it don't matter because we already seriously seriously, yes, man looked that up. Man shot man I man I man I all the ass got to go to hill something like that. Bro, Like people are like myself, I played fullback. I should get money just off my fan us a block. I'm head in college and in the pro I'm sucking. I'm crash test

dumb me, Holy ship, whole ship. I'm a crash test dumb me on the motherfucker kickoff team. Oh god, damn you see that will Oh it's gonna be exposed. The NFL is race nor me. Are you kidding me? Yeah? Man, Now they got to cut the chick. They got they got to chick. But let's see, they wait, they wait for us to die, man, because are our age? What's it called when you die at a certain age? It's fifty five? Oh god damn you know, so we we're

coming over at fifty five? How well, biggerl I've seen bigger, I've seen too talk big Hall is big girl now yeah yeah, but yeah there's some people don't live. But you got to think about big Girl. Man, Damn my live U life. I don't. I love you Big Girl. So so uh, it's it's it's it's crazy man, because and then like me, I didn't make no millions and millions of dollars when I when I retired, but she was a hero to us though, no, no, I'm staying.

But when I didn't make millions of millions of dollars. So, uh, we had this, We had a four one k okay, you could get some you can get some of your money out of penalty at forty five, right, which I wasn't at the time. And then you get all over the fifty five and they talked about all these programs they got to help us transition out the game. Motherfucker, give me my money just then, I'm transition transition smoothfu. Yeah, give me my ship that I put in into this ship.

You know what I'm saying. So who holding their nuts on the bag? Who specifically? What the give me somebody name? Good deal? It's good deal, you dirty low down son. But then and then, but then they put my boy, Troy Vincent up under him as a player Rep. Blufford, so that y'all don't go in so hard because it's a brother. It's a brother. And I played with him in Miami, Be played with him, Richmond, Richmond Way played

with him. You know, Damn, man, y'all went through too much ship man, I'm talking about God, Damn, I'm talking about these injuries. Man. So I So it was like four or five years ago. So, uh, one of the receivers was taking a shot in his ass. What the fund? And I said, man, what is that? He says, tore it? Doll man, get you one. I said, okay, So I looked it up after you after the is a this ship is a post surgery pain reliever and and and

anti inflammatory. No, it just it just it was the anti inflammatory value that was helping supposed to be helping us. But we're taking toward doll shots before the game and any any hill, any hill of a drug that you needed to play. They was given the tour. You know, they don't talk about that in the concussion ship Perkas said, ship man. Come on, man, oh my god, they need to hear this man. They's giving us all that ship man, all that ship bro. They and and and and it

didn't stop. Who is giving this stuff? The team? Doctors, team doctor. They had a saying you can't make the club and the tub, you can't make the club in the What wow? So these uh particular doctors are brought to you guys by the NFL. Yeah, the doctors or does a team hire the doctor? Team have the doctors? I'll be there and then and and the coaching staff in the in the in the in the front office, they all know about this ship. They all know that they sticking you out with all kinds of ship to

get you all to play, get the product on the field. Basically, uh crash, dumb cattle back then, back then, basically slaves. And I was gonna ask you, what do you think about that comment that Cat made about NFL players basically being slaves. Yeah, I think I think he's he's right, man, because right now, so this is what this is my thing with it. If you if you, if if the NFL players knew the power that they have, and and it's the only thing. Remember Will Smith did I don't

when he slapped Chris Rock. Okay, so Will Smith? That was live TV? Right. I love Chris Rock, But Will Smith shut down live TV. The NFL players have the power to shut down live TV. So now we're in the locker room right now. We played for the Dolphins. The game is supposed to start at one. We're not going out there. God damn. If the game start at one and so one o'clock hit, guess guess who phone's gonna be ringing? The owner. It's gonna take the owners off of us and put it on the owner. Now,

the owner Toyota and fucking Derito's. They called, hey, man, we paid three million dollars for the first spot on the on the Sunday game at one o'clock and the game didn't start. What the fun out doing? That's all they got to do. But they don't know what their power is. You know, they don't know what They're happy to be. They're happy to be getting the money that they're getting. It's more, it's more guaranteed ship doing their way.

But they don't understand the power and the leverage they had. Man, if you shut down live TV, it's a rap. What they're gonna do arrest. I think some of these guys do understand their power. They just they just don't want to exercise their power because their college. You know, some I disagree now. I do believe that a lot of these guys are just collars. And then there are those There are those who say, well, you know, I would do it, but I'm not gonna just be out here

all by myself now. And I believe that part. I don't think. I think too. I think two things can be betwit at the same time. And I do believe that just like you got college in other industries. You have college in sports also. I just don't think I think I think that everybody. I think if everyone got on the same accord, you know, if everybody was like, you know what, when the clock strike twelve fifty nine, we're locked in the locker room, but we're not going

Everybody got to go there. Everybody got to say it, we're not going out. That's still gonna be just simple to where the game won't start, and the thing exactly at four o'clock they do the same thing. So so

now you got to back back that up into the politics. Yeah, you see, what's gonna happen is that when you say, okay, let's everybody get on the same court, what's gonna happen is that they're gonna go and they're gonna start searching for the weakest links, the ones that they know that they can get inside of their head and say, look, I'm gonna do this for you, And now this person gonna be like, well, you know, I'm looking at for myself. It happens on it, Yeah, it happens all the time.

That's how that's how you penetrate, just going find the weakest link. So back in my rookie year. That's what this is, what this is, what the politicis. This is when I first saw it. I was blocking for Reggie Carb r I p he died a couple of years ago, one of my best friends. Damn think about him every day, man. So I'm blocking a Reggie car December twenty second. Cobb has a contract that says if he gets a thousand yards, he's a free agent. He gets he gets to leave.

Sorry as Tampa, you know, and we all hope praying that they get it right. So we're flying, were flying the temple. They reduced his with reps. First player the game to lay draw Paul getting nine yards now here at nine eighty right, I'll get back to the huddle. I'm like, I'm looking at that. I'm like, and instead of Car, it's Gary Anderson. I said, due, what's up? What's Car? He said, I don't know. He's hurt. I don't think so ready break boom. Never put him back

in the game. Go damn. That's how that's that's why when you watch football games and you see people that you don't think it's hurt, but they're not playing, that's why they own the bench. Because it's people's job to keep up with them numbers. Man, it's people's job. That said called down there on that phone and say, hey, man, when the defendi get the defense get playing time and that comes with a million dollar bonus, set them down.

Tell him about some ass whoopings on that day, some talking about talking about talking about the owner getting his ass whooped in front of national television. Man, I'm not playing it by my money, man, But look so then so so it was twofold. So now they sucked over car with his thousand and he out of Tampa because we're three and thirteen at the two and thirteen at the time, getting ready to lose to Chicago. We end up three and thirteen. Now I'm not a rookie foollback

blocking four thousand yard Russia. So that up, that sucked me over. Yeah, yeah, you know. It also goes another side to that corn is that when you signed these incentive bonuses sometimes it's percentages. So like like you said, it's a percentage. So if I already got my percentage, I don't want to risk going out there trying to catch the ball and end up dropping the ball, and now my percentage go down. So you know if I'm gonna receive, if you receive, that's not well, no, no,

put it on. If they put it in the contract. Anything can be put in the contract. If they put in the contract that I have to catch a certain percentage of balls, like I gotta I gotta meet that with it. They they slick with it because they don't put it on catch it. So they'll they'll say every touchdown, you may will give your thousands, but they shoot it on. They do it on they do it on basketball that a lot of people will. But it's time. We're so

we're so competitive man, you know I played football. Like we're so competitive man until I can't see us laying down, you know what I mean? Like we we and the man don't carry the ball. If you if you break the line of scrimmage, we're gonna find you. We're gonna break the last See. That's why you see when people like it would be the end of the game and the coach tell that running back, hey man, get the ball. They can't do it. Yeah, but they put it on

playing time. So if and the number played we played, we placed uh forty, we played seventy two plays on offense, you played fifty of them. That's over. So you made your percentage on that. But you gotta do that for the whole season. You know, you gotta play forty of the plays to get that that incentive because the contract was incentive laden back then. You know, they didn't really and they wouldn't even let you reach it get it. They wouldn't let you get it. Bow So now you're done.

So now that's that's early on. Then you come now you end up with this concussion ship. You know, average average average uh salary of a rookie in in the nineties a couple hundred thousand and something like that. Okay, and then when you get to be a pro bowler five millions, you might go, you might go jump to a million, but you're not You're not getting You're not getting the money like that. That's what I'm saying. So my story is I came, I got cut by Miami,

and I had a good friend, Chico Nelson. He died, he was the ballplayer. Uh. He came to my house the day after I got cut. He said, Man, I want you to meet these people in the South Beach. Okay, that's going on down there. I ain't no problem going South Beach. So man I went down there and he introduced me to an artist named Royal Yakaba, and he introduced me to two guys that ended up being my best friends, Dave and Elliott Merlis. Okay, so from that meeting,

I got cut by the Dolphins one morning. The next morning, I'm selling sports art, selling sports art. The the man took a devalue currency from all over the world and made that as his collage. And then I would call you that, Brad, send me your favorite action shot, Send me your favorite action shot. In a week, I would send you a one like this of what the painting

would look like. If you okay, the painting we're on the plane, just just money you're making we made I was I didn't sell a painting for under four And you know, if it's you and me and we grew up rapping together, we grew up playing together. They weren't

doing it because of the painting. They're doing it because because it was bull you know what I mean, just trying to support you know what I'm saying, So how much money, but but how much money we're looking at, like in one year, what's the most you ever made doing that. I mean, we made thirty in the first year doing that voice reloaded podcast to be right back after the point and ninety three, you were inactive in the NFL, Right, what were you injured? Up? What was

going on? No? I just uh so when I went to Tampa, I got drafted by a coach that nobody knows to this, Richard Williams che Williams R. I p. Two thousand and fifteen. Hey, nobody knew him. So everybody on that team that got released, nobody knew who you were. In essence, you get drafted by Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy got a job. You got a job. You went to University of Miami. You got a job. And and and when Jimmy came to Miami, that should have turned into the

University of Miami off the streets. He left the Cowboys right there. He left the Cowboys and went to Miami, came to Miami, and my contract happened to be up when he came. He don't believe in paying veterans. He got to play for Jimmy. I played for Jimmy one year, and you played for Don Shooting too, right, Yeah, shoo shoot was the man or I loved on shooting. Shooler brought me in, put me on the active roster so I can get all my money. I ain't doing them

but flying around and dressing like we dressed right now. Yeah, Shoola was a man. And then my my contract was up. When when when Jimmy came and you know he, you know he I could pay I could pay two rookies, you know what I could pay you, you know what I'm saying, and groom him and like I wanted him because he didn't he didn't like Jimmy didn't necessarily like veterans, you know what I mean. It's like a record label that no y'all know about the royalties and ship so

they're gonna they're gonna face you out. They're gonna face you. But I love I love up his coaching style. Man, Jimmy Johns. Man, I'm telling Jimmy Johns din't play, man, I'm sorry. So Jimmy knew the axes and the odes for real people around him. Jimmy has a degree in psychology. Mm hmm. Jimmy knew how to motivate the players. Man. Jimmy went up on the board, he drew a you drew a house. You dore a house with one window, and in that one window he put the thirteen in.

That motherfucker. He said, this is the house. Damn Marino is the only motherfucker. And now together M like that. And then uh a kid from Rice. My boy was a linebacker from Rice. He came up there performing on special team, which I was. You know, me and him played the same position on special team. So we're going back and forth. I'm making plays, he's making plays. So we're watching the film and Jimmy Johnson. Everybody in the building watch special teams. That's how much you put on

that ship. All starters play special teams. Everybody the whole team watched the special teams take. You know, So Larry is oo is his name? And my boy I call him is it because you know we're good friends. We just happened to be playing the same position. Man, Larry is a We're watching the film kick Off Return. He's on the front line. I'm back in the wedge. He peeled back, knocked his man down, got up, knock somebody

else down. Motherucker's Jimmy Johnson stopped the film. Man, that motherfucker said, Larry is the call your parents and tell him your Miami dolf. I'm like, oh, ship, what then I've been to do around this bit? Do you know what I'm meaning? God? Damn? Yeah, man, oh fuck for two blocks like that hustle like yeah, And he knew how to get it. He knew how to get into your head. Yeah, you know. He was the first man

I heard talking about the pack Melian theory. What the fund is that if you keep, if you keep telling somebody that they are a thief? Eventually, what's pa Melian theory? Pag Malian dope? Something new every day? And uh so so with him, I liked this coaching style, but I was a veteran, so I didn't fit in his overall plan. If you put Jimmy and let's say Don Shuiler in the same situation with let's say an average team, which one of those guys you think could compel that team

to victory? I think it will be Uh. I think it'll be Demmon because he's more of a motivator. Don Shula had us in that. Oh motherfucker's you know what I'm saying? That back the old back then was third and up uh nine up? Uh? Eric Green, you remember that Big Tight and Eric Green from from Play for the Steelers. Man, I watched I watched Eric Green every game of the season. I walked through the locker room for the game Boom, give me some of that hardcore

ship you listen to. And I would take him my headphones because every week before the game he would have to get his knee drained to play. It need be swolled up full of fluid. Every week he got a It's just it's just the swelling of it. And then we get on the planes right out of the game and all you know, all that pressure cold. God, you know what I'm telling you, brother, that ship is Yeah, it's crazy. I saw the bus. Wasn't it William the

bus who played for Pittsburgh? Uh? Uh the bus, come on, bus, But I know bus. I know the bus. William his name Shot. I can't think I'm the bus man. Hold on, but what about it? So I saw a video of him. He can't walk upstare, Yeah, like going through his daily routine. And man, the dude. So dude was getting out of bed and it's his knees was snapped, crackling and pop and he and it took him seemed like it took

him five minutes just to roll out of bed. Damn nothing by the team, and I think he was steal in his thirties. When when when I saw that video, Man, I'm looking at a big girl, and hey, how many knee surgeries? Man? Now the thing with Miami, I got to see the best quarterback ever uploading person Dan Arena. And I'm one of the two hundred and forty five people they caught a touchdown from Damn Arena. You know, so so so I yeah, but it ended up being

I got tossed out. But you caught three touchdowns from Damn Arena too, one, one, one, you know. But you know so that that My time in Miami was good. But now you have to go back to if you don't retire in the team in the city where you played. It's rough man. Even though me being from Houston. You know what I'm saying, they're gonna with the Texans retirees before they work with me. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, they're not gonna. They're not gonna do that. So let's

go back to the paint. But but before you go further, do you think that had anything to do with your your lack of visibility in the city because you you know, you wasn't really out, you know, and about in the city. You know when when when you were playing here are in Houston? Yeah, like we didn't really see you out anywhere, like you know, like I saw a few times, but I don't under staying we really didn't see you. No,

I didn't know. And I think so if the people don't see you like that, you know what I'm saying, they may you know, that's a that tends to be a bit of disconnect. And then and then you're right. But then when I came back and saw what Santana was doing in Houston, already we love you. What's up there? Bro? When I sped Santana, I just dumped jumped from sale. Yeah boos having the baby. Oh I don't know, okay, Instagram, I just I just is it on Instagram? But what's

you know? You go to the back to the paintings and uh, my, my, my, my journey after football started with the painting, right, So me and me and Dave and Elliot Merlin's were sitting there like, man, you know what if we can set at least my fucking painting, so that The collection was called Money Players Players who

come through in the Clutch. So we're just like, man, we could sell payton for twelve d hundred Eddie George on when Eddie George did Cribs, we had a painting that was seven ft long and uh seven foot long and three ft wide and he was up on his on his fireplace. It was him and he had it was a college picture that we did. It was him and he had like nine people from Notre Dame chasing him, you know. So he was like, man, if we can do this, let's let's knock this ship back to church

and hats. So we launched Money Players clothing line, you know, man. So me and the Day went down the garment district in Miami and and got sourced to all that ship out came out with the with the Money Players man, and the rest is history. And and and we did that. Then we shot a documentary on high school football down there, the Soul Bowl. We did uh Blanche Eli High School and dealing high school to the oldest black uh high schools in for a lot of them. So we did that, uh.

And then so I came back to came back and then my you know, my brother in law's Kevin Smith from the Cowboys, three times super Bowl champion, Pup Kevin Pup Smith. And so he called me, you know about the music business. He's like, man, come on down there. I was still in in Miami. He's like, man, come on down to Houston. Man, I mean, come on down to Dallas. Mane you can you can, you know, run the studio. Blah blah blah. I say, okay, I went

down there, run the studio. Uh. I didn't know what was going on and when I before I got there. But once I got there, you know, you had people, lazy people, blah blah blah. And I wasn't putting up with that ship. So the office part of the the office part of the studio, I moved into my one bedroom apartment. I put that ship in the bedroom and I had my bed out in the living room at my apartment, you know, because we didn't. You know, I'm not like, man, I'm not doing this ship. If these

motherfucker's don't want to work, I'm not. I'm not funny to be sitting here all day bullshitting with them, you know. So did that came back? So that was around That was two thousands, I'm back home. Two thousand, I started over, brolet's be straight up. I started over, staying at my ain house in him Clark Jeweler gonsuh, she's my arm's sister. So I started over. Two thousand, went to went back.

When I went back and coach that worthy, let me ask yourself, how does that go, like from going from the NFL the line like two basically coming back like resetting like restarted when you start every day, Joe, What I'm saying is that, how was that any pressure for you to to excel, you know and get back to the top like you were not necessarily the NFL, but you know, to be this guy that everybody looking at saying like he made it because now you know you you you went to the top and then now you're

back in the hood, you know. And I'm sure there had to be some murmurs, people talking ship saying some slick ship. Yeah, at least at least one family member because they're the worst family. But not my family. My family took me in, man, because I called my uncle head r I p uh, I said, Man, I'm coming home. He's like, come on. That was my aunt's husband. So I went there, moved upstairs. That's when I started coaching that worthy went over there. All my coaches were still there,

Coach Evans and coach Snow and all of them. They took me in and uh, I started. I started, you know, working with the kids over there. And then we got that year. We had five x NFL players on the coaching staff myself when Coreya came, when coreas my roommate out of a and m you know, and uh and you know, so fast forward. Man, If you if you don't have a if you don't have a hustle, if you don't have a hustle in you, you're break man, you know. And so you gotta have a hustle, and

you gotta be humble. That's what you was asking about. You know. You gotta be your hustle and humble go together, you know what I mean. And the pride you can't wear that pride can't be cloaked in pride. You know, that's what people getting messed up, you know. So I the fall come before the fall, man, And and man, I just I just kept hustling, man and did good at at at Worthing. We was nine and old till we ran in the vin Young in the dome. So you know, we had a hell of a team, a

lot of kids of college, you know. But that was that was it. So then I ended up through my A and M. I'm with to Texas A and M University. Uh. I was driving point one yards per carry. I was at I was driving hot shots for Beeline delivery. And this is what my story gets crazy. I'm driving hot shots. I'm downtown driving hot shots for Beline delivery. I get a phone call Mr Galson County. Sure, goddamn it, Mr Wilson, I'm sitting outside the house were living in Dickinson. Mr Wisdom,

sitting outside the house, got one for your rest? What the fun? Some kind of some kind of deal up in the college station. Is my oldest boy child support? You know what I'm saying? So I said. I told him. I said, sir, can you hear the truck running? I said, you hear my truck running? I said, I'm on the highway right now. I said, I'm working literally right at this moment to get the money for the child support.

Right So man, let's dude. So he said, you know what, Mrs Wilson, I believe that, And I'll get you to monday. But for me to get till monday, I had to shoot them, you know what I mean. So I go to I go up there, man, get get this, get this going, and I'm going the thing man these people, and I still feel like I should shoot Attorney general for this. Everybody. This motherfucker's charged me. That motherfucker's charged me.

Not seven is of Dolphin Miami. Dolphin pay, bro. If you don't get it for seven, damn the gave for two years, three years, three year. If you don't get a check from the Dolphins, bro, obviously I'm not employed that anymore. Well with your responsibility to do the blue, Blue Blue, I said, no, motherfucker, this is so. The niggas wont one oh eight, bro, they want six figures. I went to that courthouse, man, and the court the judge was fed up. And I remember I'm driving for

Beatline at the time. I'm driving as my job and my last name started with a debut. Everybody before me went up there. They had the women and they had the judge. The judge say asking women, would you like to leave him his back page, any of this back pay? Every woman said no, every last one of them. I went in. Uh, I got up, I wrote my I wrote Matthew's mom, dell on your bar a note. I said, please say eighty that she would relieve me of eighty

thousand of the back pager. Right man, But before then, everybody when she said no, the judge is like hunt night days, suspend your license, und D days, suspend your license un day spending likes to everybody. Man, old white man walked up there on a cane and sold. He said, Judge, I worked on the board on the barbecue truck. I made four hundred dollars a month, sent two hundred hundred eight days, suspend your license. That's when I started learning

about your support. You know, about what you need to do. He told that man. He told everybody that. He said, if you cut a yard and you made ten dollars, send five. Put some on them books every month, because if you don't, it's going on your back. Can pay anyway what you don't seeing. But if you don't have something on them books every month, you're not making no effort. Yeah. So we got up there. We finally got up there

in front of the people. Now to judge, remember me, I will is the full back because I'm up in college station. Yeah, yeah, what's up? Man? So you know, he on the sign boom boom. I was like, oh, okay, yeah, sold this, it's gonna go right. They flipped on me right. Then he started talking to her. He said, ma'am. First thing, he said, ma'am, you know once you because she said eighty. She said, you said you want to leave it from the back page. She said, hey they. I said yeah, okay,

and she said eighty. She said eighty thousands. She said, man, you know, once you just once you do this, this money goes away and never comes back. So that was one. That was one bullet. I took that, ma'am, are you sure? Another bullock? Look? But look so then the motherfucker said, do you want another court date? I sew my hand. I said, hey, man, what the hell are you doing? He's like Mr Wilson calmed down, and I said, she said eighty man with them, He said, man, do you

want another court dat? And by this time she's shaking dog wow and I said and she said no, we're good. Boom boom boom. Because I told her, I said, look, I just I'll go on my retirement and give you the rest out of that. If you say eighty you know so, man, So I was able to drive home after that. So, you know so after that, I did be Line delivery that summer gas hit a dollar ninety seven. I couldn't. I couldn't do be Lyne delivery no more. My wife was traveling Angela Wilson, my wife was traveling

for work, and we had two boys. So I said, look, we're playing fine hunted. We're playing hunted for uh, for the lady to watch the boys. And I'm doing four hunting and gas right now. You're traveling. I said, you know what, We're gonna shut this down. I'm gonna keep the boys for the suthing while you travel, and we're

gonna just save all that money, you know. So. And at the end of that summer, man, Uh, my uncle and uh one of the aggies was at the Houstonian Golfing country Club and uh I end up getting a job there at the end of that summer. And I worked at the Houstonian Golfing Country Club for twelve years. So it's it's about so when I say all of that, man to say, it's about bridging that gap. You know what I mean? You got to bridge you got to

be able to bridge that gap. And that's what I tell my my kids and anybody else, anybody who listened. I said, like them youngsters right now, I said, Man, get your paperwork in order, because y'all not built for the school of hard knocks. Bro y'are not you know, growing up in the suburbs and all that ship You're not. You're not. You're not groom for that. What's your relationship like with your kids? Yeah, boys, revoted podcast will be right back after the point. Let's talk about your book, Man.

Hits in politics, the big hits in politics, Big big hits in politics. Yes, sir, don't always a lot of best players don't always play and and that that. So when I first started writing the book, man, I thought I was gonna be talking about, uh what I just talked about, some of the stuff in the NFL. That's when my boys were starting, literally, you know, and that's when I found out that's where the politics start. And literally it's I'm not gonna say a white man, but

a man. A man would become a president of a whole youth organization so his unathletic son can play quarterback. M you know, it's cold blood. I've seen that too many times. The dad and the coach, and the sun is the quarterback son, but his daddy the coach. So it started there. And then when they got to a parley in high school politics, and now head coach got two sons. My son played receiver, hit son played tight end and receiver. They're catching mobiles and my son what

we're doing? So got over with that. And then so I moved my my youngest that's at Midwestern State right now, I moved him to Manville for his senior year. I told him straight up, I said, Ben, if you stay apparently, and I'm gonna be in jail half the season because I'm back, and I'm gonna block these driveways as some of these coaches at five in the morning asking what they really what are we really doing? You know what I'm saying. It was that serious. So we went to Manfield.

He had a good senior year. Now he had Midwestern State. What year was that senior year? Ben was ship And so we we don't we don't have um, we don't have a do are you mentioning names in the book? Yeah? Dropping the name? Just tell me what you're saying what it is like when I was at UH Dallas. I went to Green Bay, right, so this is how, this is how the meeting rooms are set up for the running backs. Me, you know, so we're the running back. So y'all already in Green Bay. I come in the door.

I look at these two motherfucker's. They got the same kind of hand cut the parking lot. They both got a black fire thirty five and its Green Bay. So it don't matter how many people I knocked the funk out, They're not gonna break up this continuity for me. The right on the wall as soon as you walk in there. I was just a body for camp, you know what I mean? A body for camp for camp, you know? So, yeah, so I'll go to that's three. I went to live

with my buddy Quentin in Indianapolis. He's playing for the coach. I wouldn't have worked out for them, blah blah. He said, Man, they love you, man, drink coach love you to everybody loves you. So we died in Dallas UH at Kevin Smith department. He was a second year player. He comes from practice. He said, bull, they got a locker with your name in it. I said, huh, and now, mind you, I'm supposed to be leaving the next day to go sign with Indy. God damn it. And he said, yeah,

they gotta lock it with your name. Man, So this the Cowboys on. So I was like, man, we sat there at the table and we thought. I thought about it. I said, may you know what if I get sucked up again, I'm being Texas. So when I went on and signed with the Cowboys, you know, wasn't a bad wasn't a bad move. You know, I wouldn't have never ended up in Miami if I hadn't signed with the Cowboys. You know. But I don't know what I hadn't what Indianapolis having a stake for me, you know what I mean.

Did you have a relationship with with the owner, Jerry Jones at all? Did you ever meet him? Yeah, Jared Jones. After every game he's standing at the locker room. He shake every player hand going back into the locker room. He's just checking on the product. Yeah, he Jared Jed Jones. Just a word. That's how he comes out to me. He comes out and ignoble, dude, you know he told

me ignoble. Yeah, noble. He comes but when he went when he won a ride with me, was when he said, all our players are gonna to the line and we're not kneeling. That's what I'm saying. Stuff like that. It's like taking rights away. Man exposed himself, you know, during that whole Trump era. Yeah, he exposed him said he got exposed during the Trump era because at first it looked like, oh, he's he's he's the guy, he's looking

out for the black guys. And now you know this, it's no coincidence that he only was looking out for the really, really good black players, the guys who could really play. As long as you could help him win, he was on your team. And then so I go to Dallas, Green Bay, I mean leave Green Bay ninety three, go to Dallas and went to that camp. I'm knocking motherfucker's out. I got more respect in Dallas camp then I did for playing because I was laying motherfucker's out

like that. All the players, all the coaches, they knew what it was. But I got this guy, Emmy Smith, Damn, Emma Smith. Got this guy. We come off the field, He's like, man, make go make my Matrex shape. Don't make his what go make his shake after practice shape for a call in it. Man. No, No, there's a guy that he had like a dude boy know his dude boy. He telling the dude boy, go make go do this, go do that, because I got to say it didn't come off that tack. No no, and then

we go. But then but then, but the dude doing it on his own, you know, you know, it's just what it was. And then so then I found out the year before I got there, they cut that dude when they went to the playoffs. Emit the next day, went over there and didn't speak to nobody from Jerry Jones on down, didn't speak, didn't say a word. Next week he was back. They brother back. That's why I'm up against. Man, you already got moose. Moves ain't going nowhere.

You know what I'm saying. You gotta respect moves. Moves ain't going nowhere. So that's what I'm up again. You know, it would go with the politics again, you know what I mean. But you know, so when you when you when you came into the league, you know you was you was you know, you was that dude in Tampa Bay, you know, and then you went from that to being a journeyman. Uh, basically like and that's what helped me.

That's what helped me. Being the dude helped me when I wasn't to do because when I went to Tampa, we started the season with just one fullback me, They ran everybody else off. So I had seen that process, you know what I mean. I didn't say one day that's gonna be me, but it ended up being that way, you know what I mean? So so how do the follow apart in Tampa? Bato? You know, I know it was a three and thirteen season, didn't help but coach, but she still was productive that year. Coach got fired.

Coach got fired. They brought Sam White shan. Now the politics of that was Bront saying White sham super Bowl winning. He won the Super Bowl and eight right, so what was he coaching the Ridskins. The Bengals cut that ship out. So now you're sitting there, Remember I told you, if you if if a coach draft you, if you win with a coach, you always have a job. If you have a job, All of a sudden, motherfucking everybody from the Bengals start showing up in the locker room. So

once again, the riding's on the wall, you know. So. But my thing is, man, what I tell the kids, my boys, I said, look, we watched that last preseason game every year, and I said, look, man, they're going down from They're going from eighty five to sixty five to fifty three sixty five. Most of them play that. Most of that twenty will never play again. Wow, will

never play again. Half of that twenty. It's gonna flip off into depression because they don't have nothing to fall back on, whether it's a degree or job or you know, if you're good with your hands, none of that. Man. Yeah. In your opinion, is the NFL doing enough in safety protocols in regards to concussions and head injuries? Uh? I think it is. I think I think what they're doing is is is helping, But they're not. But it's that's why you see all these other catastrophic injuries. Now, because

if I'm coming, you're coming to me full speed. I'm coming and you and you so Brad coming to me full speed. What are you gonna do when you get there. He's gonna take my knees out. You know what I'm saying, Ain't no more head to head up, the hand, the head. So that's why it's all these knee injuries and people people getting hurt like that. And then it's the game is so much softer. They don't they don't hit. You can't hit, but twice a week not all this bullshit.

So last year, the first five games of the regular season was really as far as NFL players bodies was concerned, was the preseason. That's why it was all his injuries. Motherfucker's out there non contact. Motherfucker cut his achilles, gone cut his knee, blow up. You know what I mean. You haven't prepared your body to take that, to take that punchent. Yeah, man, it's it's it's it's wild, man, It's it's it's wild. But you know, you gotta they gotta keep fighting a good fight man, and and and

uh try to We gotta get this. We gotta get this concussion thing shuttle, you know, because Norman. Let's say I'm a new guy coming into the league. Well I'm not even in the league yet. I'm I'm a new guy. That's I'm the man. I'm playing football, and I'm really really good at football on any level. Let's just say I'm I'm let's just say, I'm high school age and I'm cold with it. What's your advice. I'm trying to get to the league. I'm everybody looking at me like

I'm that dude. I'm all area this, I'm national this. What's your advice to me and my parents? Business wise in the NFL business? Oh, I'm glad. There's a great question. Glad you asked that is business wise? Is know what you want to do on the way in as far as business? You know what I mean? Because, like me, the phone call is different because like if I'm on the team and I'm calling trying to do business with you. Hey, it's uh Miami Dolphin Robert Wilson, I want to talk

to you. Oh ship boom, after I'm not on the team, it's your name comes last. Hey, former former Miami Dolphin fullback Robert Wilson want to talk to you. You know what I'm saying former, So that that's a different spin. You know, then they're not even gonna do business with you. They want active players, you know what I mean. So, my my, so they have this uh thing where they take all of the top draft picks and have coaches talk to him about this and that, but they don't

talk to everybody about it. But so my my advice would be, I would say, look, man, find out what you wanna do after football, and started while you acted. Started now, because the phone call is different when you're acting. Oh yeah, man, you ain't farmer farmer rappers right. They don't want to talk to me no more. He's a farmer rapper right right right on top of that game. If you had, you know, a hot single out or something, ye like, yeah, okay, give him my number, you know.

But that's what I would tell him. I'll say, man, whatever you want, let that team come from Let that phone call come from the team, because they've got people whose job that is you know, you name that big hits and politics. Here in politics, the best players don't always play by the best players always at you on social media. And first of all, that book is available on Amazon. Amazon Book a book on Amazon right now coming out with The Harker. I have to thank my

good friend and fellow aggy Shanidria Wagner. And let me tell you why it took me eight years man to do this book, maybe nine. You have to get right in the head to go in right. No, I'm forgetting about the goddamn meetings. I'm forgetting about the goddamn book session. Wow, so you're forgetting too. So you started it actually eight years ago completed? No? No, are you having the same CTV we all do? Man? No ship? Yes? What the fuck? Why we man? We need to fight? Man man man

man a man man. Listen, I'm I'm I got my boys at the doctor's office. I did this ship up to as recently as a month ago. Leave a mothering pot on the stove and I'm out the door. Anybody's doing this, I'm hearing this story from you. Who are you working with in regards to trying to recover some some some funds you know, for these injuries you suffered? Uh? Right now, I'm working with Dr Cornella Manix. She's uh, she's uh. She works with brain injuries. She works with

people that have brain injuries and like that. Her company is called dot org. But who is she working and then she is she working with these We all have lawyers. We all have lawyers, and it's called uh nf L Concussions Claims Administrator. They have a claims administrator that you go through. But are you are you is this somebody that that the NFL or some group that answers right here in conflict the inswest is the same lay that

represents the NFL represent you all too? No, no, no, no, it was the same doctors because they went, they went, and they went, we all went got tested and all this ship. No no, no, the doctors, like the doctors that gave favorable uh responses what we had, all of a sudden they can't take their word no more. They cut the doctor lists in half and all the mother's that was given favorable you know, ship. Then you know they knocked us out. They knocked us on. But like

I tell them, man, because I like to fish. You know what I mean? Man, I listen, I got, I got, I got partners homeboards right now, Bro, they will not come on this shower. They will not come on this Why not because they're showing some kind of It takes some kind of cognitive ability. God damn it. I had my homework come to my house and we're sitting in the backyard. He wouldn't put his phone on the damn fence. How I said, what they're doing, bro? Man, motherfucker's following me?

Many He said, they followed the NFL. He said, they've got people following. That's what he said. I said, Man, you're taking the ship too far. Bro. I was like, and so my thing is as an a former NFL player, you got to be able to have a good day. Man, you can't have a good day. Well, motherfucker might see you playing golf or fishing or riding a bike. Come out. You know what I'm saying. Bullshit, Man, do you ever get violent tendencies? Yeah? Right, So not to a person.

So long story short, My son Benjamin was a nine grade basketball team. Man, my wife went out to eat. We're going it's his birthday had just passed, so he had his money. So, you know, nine grades, he want to have his money on it. So he called the call phone. I could heard his voice and I said, they got his money. Somebody took his money. He's like, yeah, and coach somebody, what you want me to do? Blah blah blah. Right, so he knows though, he knows me. So um so me and my wife go up to

the school. We went up to the school and I don't know why I called the police. I said, magic, then I need somebody come up to the school. They stole my boys money. Blah blah blah. The bust pull up and I don't know why they let me get on that bus. M hm. I got on that bus. I said, I want my fucking money now, and the money magically appeared. So I got in. So there's like, miss wilson't you have to go out the bus. So I'm walking around the bus. My wife, go get in

the car, Go get in the car. I'm walking around the back of the bus. I hit the back window. Now, cracked the back window. Oh ship, you know what I'm saying. Cracked the back window of the bus. Now the police that I called put me in the back of his car. Yeah, but you went a man so so, but that's that zero to the hundred, so that the money you ever get recovered. All of a sudden, it's a hundred and nine dollars on the back of the bus, on the floor.

So they came and let me out the car. I went off again because I see the man counting out the money to my wife. So I'm talking to the coach. I said, coach, see you do have a fucking thief on your goddamn team. They counting out the money. So everybody started rushing me back to the car because they want the police was coming to the restume at that point, you know what I mean. So yeah, this ship like that.

And then then they banned me from the campus. They banned me from what But what's that parental instincts kicking in or what's that something to do? I think you haven't happened. It was happening because the cracker back window on the bus. I mean, you didn't shoot out the back one shooting out the bass inwards. Yeah, but I told him, I told him. I told him x NFL running down. Oh my god, this is bad. I told him. I said, I said, coach, you won't have no copycasts.

Then my son with school next day, so I called the principal. I said, hey, man, you know what, my older son running track. So you banned me from the school, I'm gonna watch my son running track, He said, Mrs Will. Half the basketball team did not come to school today because they thought he was gonna be up here looking for Oh Jesus, I'm saying I was think that man, Bro, That's what I'm saying. But that's that's what you know. You don't know what you don't get and where does

your sign play? What school is he he was apparently in that time he was a freshman freshman basketball team. But he said, he said, uh, I don't know if it's funny or not, but it's funny to him, he said, I went to school dad, I was a rock star. That's funny. Yeah, that's funny. But yeah, man, but but but that's that's that's kinda but he shouldn't had all him you know, the parents. They don't take me all that money on your at that at one time. But

but that's the kind of ship that happened. Man. And you never you never know what trigger it's gonna trigger. That the ultimate response. Man, I'm so glad we're having this conversation. I think the world needs to hear that that CTE concussions, those those hits to the head, man, you know, even in boxing, like those hits in the head really caused That's that's right. That's what kept me

from going back boxing. Yeah, it's going to my hand, but it's getting hard as here to Yeah, but but it's but it's like, because I like to fight for real, you know, like I like I like, I like the energy of fighting, you know, what I'm saying, like like what it likes. It's something you know, I become like a monster, like really like and I want to just destroy, just like you're in a football field. You're trained, like just coming through the phone man into somebody, you turned

into something different. Man. And but but I do. But I'm always cognizant because I see so many dudes who just in there just recently retired from basket from boxing is something thirty some years old, and most skills bro motor skills gone. I remember seeing Iran Barkley in New York had a fight once and then I said, I ran and he turned around like this sugar Ray Leonard too, man, uh huh, like what's up? Will it d wrong? No, this is years ago. It's like really years ago, Iran.

I ain't no telling what shape Iran is in right now, Shannon, Shannon, the cannon looked pretty good still too. I mean he looks real good right now too. He's still there, you know what I mean. You know another sport that mikes that deals with it too is hockey. Man. I don't know nothing about hockey. Man. I watched the physical really and they let him fight. So that's why I ain't hockey player, got no teeth. Yeah, it's physical and they let him fight man, so so cold bloody you can't.

It's bad man. So that would that would have That's that's what I was just looking at. So that would have been when I saw it, right, it's like right after they died. But then my boy, my boy hot Smith. I talked to Hotsmith a lot. Yeah, but he's doing he remember he went into boxing. He went into boxing because what can't replace me? And in the Heilman, you

know what I mean, you can't replace it. And so that's why that's why when I go fishing, it would have been good with with with with with with the Heilman on for for practice. But the problem is when you take it off for the profile. You aight. But but like with them tests and then they take they take us all these tests and basically the tests all

they do. They asked you it's like three hours, right, and they asked you during the three hours, they asked you the same question five different times in different ways. When you go when you go out, are you the life for the party? And then an hour later and say, when you go to a party, do people get excited? Because you're there. You know that that that type of ship you know, and see if you answer differently. Yeah, and so I have one of my homeboys, Derek Frazier. Uh,

he took it. He took it. He took it to the next level. He just wanted to motherfucker turned to all that ship over and walked up. You know what I'm saying, He said, Man, this test you know, yeah, not doing that. Man, We thank you for coming on the show and sharing your story, problem your wisdom, and man, I hope you get the relief, not just you, but all of the players out that man, who've given us so much to the game. I hope y'all get the relief that y'all deserved. Man, NFL need to do the

right thing. Man, cut the check man, cut the check. CTC, cut that check the check man. There's so much money right now to the NFL owners that it doesn't matter to them if the games, if there's nobody in the state in the stadium, because it's the it's the TV contract. Well, they's just being greedy, man, They're they're being greedy, and they're also trying to control the narrative. It's like Caps said, you know, they still got that type of slave boss

mentality and mentality. Until we have at least two or three black NFL owners, nothing I'm gonna change. I don't even think that that's gonna um. Yeah, that ain't gonna change because black the black owners are just as bad as the other ones. You know what I mean by sixteen eighteen? Yeah, no, how many teams? How many teams that we need to two thirty two black owners? Tim Scott, you get your temp Scott in there on the football teams just just you look at the setup just bad

as the other you're talking about gummy man, gummy bad. Yeah, what is gummy mind bad? Look at the set up though, Look at the setup on game day. What the owners that in the box in the box, in the box seats? What the product on the field they watching them? Now now you're talking about that master that that the overseas he watching, He watching this product? Yeah, cold blood it. Ladies and gentlemen, Robert, thank you, thank you, thank you so much. This was so this was so enlightening man,

in so many ways. You know, it looked like it's all glamor glamorous. You know, all of the bright lights and superstars man, But it's a lot of ship to come behind. And there's more people like me than the people that made the millions, you know what I'm saying, more journeyman, like you said exactly, It's more of those

people out there and than not. Yeah, I'm just so glad they had to be able to We really do appreciate you, man, And and and again it's not just you, but all the people, all of those guys out that man that that risk it all man, because every time you step on that field, man, you don't know if you're gonna walk off that field the same you know, and they don't know, you don't know, and and and the NFL. Man, You'll need to do the right thing because these these are this is not just products. This

is this is not just products. These are human beings, father's father's brother's son, right, homeboys boys ship like being. Man, I don't know, huh so when I was coming into Woods in the sixth grade, he was already eight grade. Yeah, but they just think think about this is the thing that I think about all the time. Think about all the people, all of all your homeboys that you came up with, that was more talented than you, that just

didn't get the grades. That was me. I could, I could, I could name you know, so many people that was more talented than me. But back then, getting the getting the grays was not you know, because that's why I think my Coachesoth Brown, coach Elliott, they was military. That no pass, no play sucked me up. Yeah, it bucked me up. I didn't even want to go to school no more after no Pass because football was such a so my passion. Bro hey man, why he wheels locked

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