Victoria Shaw and Lacy Cavalier

Victoria's Shaw on the show. She was the very first person I interned for. I entered for her for probably five years in Nashville. She taught me everything about songwriting, and then she ended up signing me to my first publishing deal. She wrote The River for Garth Brooks and she's every woman for Garth Brooks. She's written Uh, Nobody Wants to Be Lonely for Ricky Martin and Christina Aguilera, I Love the Way You Love Me for John Michael Montgomery.

And she's just an incredible person and I'm so thankful to have her in my life. And she is also on this episode with Lacey Cavalier, who was an artist she has been working with. And Lacey is gorgeous inside and out, stunning, stunning soul. She is so talented. She just got off to our chase Rice. She has tons of new music and the work that she's putting out and she was on Barney What So y'all get excited. Their interview is awesome. Welcome Lacey and Victoria. Hello, Hello,

Hello you are I'm Caroline Hobby. I am interviewing you guys for my fantastic podcast, Hypercalling Hobby. Let me introduce. So I have here, I have Lacey Cavalier and Victoria Shaw. Hello, and this is a joint interview because the common thread is Lacey and I. I'm no longer pursuing music, but Lacey is an incredible singer and Victoria and songwriter and performer in Victoria is the link between the two of us, where you are both of our first publishing deal and

kind of our first start in the music business. So it's very exciting, very special. You are very and I think you were like one of the first people I met when I moved here. I was like fourteen fifteen years old, and Vic introduced me to you, and I was like, oh my god, she's half riding. Okay, Well, first off, Lacey Cavlier is probably the most beautiful human. And I decided today that like you an award for best hair in Nashville. Me. Yes, really, I'm not kidding you, Carolina.

Every tom I see a picture, I'm like, how did she do it? And You're just like, I just wash it. If they just learned how to crawl my hair like it aged. But that's what I'm saying, Like you always wear it natural and it like look, it's perfect. So she's you know, if you find a secret fan pages me, I totally appreciate that because I think you have the best air. Okay, So I'm going to start off with

a few little rapid fire questions speaking to the migraphone. Okay, this guys for both of you all see both answer. What is your spirit animal? It doesn't have to be like an actual animal. Give you whatever you want to be. Oh, I've never asked that, like hotcorn, skinny pop is your spirit animal? Yeah, I'm going with it. Okay, tell me why. It just like makes me feel all kinds of waste. Wo yeah. Seven or roll with that one? Okay, skinny

pop popcorn, spirit animal? Yeah, what you got? I guess I'll just say, um, a monkey, because I can swing from thing to thing from fine fine, okay, yeah life. You know I sleep buying to buying to bind. All right, Okay, so I got popcorn and monkey. Great. So Victoria can eat Lacey for a snack. I like chocolate. I like something more caloric. Okay, okay. Who who's the person you want to have coffee with or drinks with? And why?

Anyone anytime, any place, alive or dead? Any No? I need I need a yeah either okay, first dead and alive. And also everyone we have a dog, Bagel who will be making appearances on the show. So if you hear panting, it's not any of asked me, it's wasting are gosh, this is hard. Oh I can go dead easy. I'd love to have coffee with my dad, and it's today his birthday, so that would be nice. That would be nice. Um, what would you talk about? Oh? God, we'd laugh. He

made me laugh, so we would laugh a lot. And your dad was an entertainment business, yes, and he was an inventor and always inventing things and really fearless and really big and loud and brave, so and he liked life, so he would be bummed that he was dead. Do you think that's where you got a lot of your lad for the entertainment industry and your big personality, Oh, from both my parents, but yeah, probably the big from

my dad. But uh and fearlessness. I mean I got a lot from both of them, Victoria, why are you barking? Maybe my spirit animals. So we're gonna I'm gonna get to your supa. Since we're honest, tell me about your mom and your dad, because that is how you got into music. I think if you get to do the coffee with a live person, we're going to get back to it. We're just taking we're going around about we're

gonna come back. But while we're on your parents, tell me about your mom because she also started a magazine. My parents were both in the music business when I before I was born and then a little bit after I was born, but by the time I was three or four, they're mostly out of it. And so my dad was always trying to invent something like well or he'd invent something or he would like like think called wacky waters, which was stuff that turned your bathtub, bath water,

different colors, okay, but which was a great idea. If you're a kid, you know you want a blue bath or a red bath and stuff like that. But he would invent these things and then sell the patent real quick, and we never really made any money off. Really invented all the time. Yeah, he invented to think all the I mean he also had like he was working. He would put be part of a deli, or he would do office supplies. And my biggest fear in life as a kid, with somebody go and what does your father do?

I'd be like, what week is it? But he was always inventing, thinking he was going to find the thing, so air conditioned umbrella, an umbrella with a fan in the tops of when you're golfing or something. Also he did that. And then eventually, after always inventing, he decided what's needed. And my mom was heavy at the time and decided she didn't want to diet anymore, and she decided they need a fashion magazine for large sized women.

And my dad said, well, let's start one. And they didn't know any think about the magazine business, but they started one and it ended up being very successful. What was it called Big Beautiful Woman Magazine BBW and that Big Beautiful Women Magazoom. And unfortunately they started that when I was like almost out of the house. I was like seventeen. I was like, how come you guys made your money when I left? So how long did that

magazine run? Oh? Gosh, um, fifteen years, I guess. And they had a circulation of I don't know, half a million or something around so they did. I mean, but my mom had like a line of clothes that she did on QBC panty Hose and j C Penny. But they didn't know anything. Literally, they when the first thing they did when they decided they were gonna make a magazine is like, well, what do we need? Well paper, okay, And then they made up names on the masthead just

to look like they had a staff. They had her dog's name on my name was it was like you name it. I was admired people who are so fearless and just diving into news. My mom always says to this day, whenever I get scared of what's the worst that can happen? The worst thing, I mean, unless somebody's going to die, then thathing's really that bad. It just might not work exactly, and then you just try something else exactly. Take a lesson from your dad, just invent

something else. You just keep trying and just enjoyed the journey. Okay, that's awesome. Thanks parents. Okay, so that's your dad. We'll get to your live coffee drinks. Who would you want to have coffee or drinks of? Dead or alive? Probably dead? This is probably it would be my great grandfather because I was named after him, Lacey Darby. Yeah, and so

I don't know. They always said, they said when I was born, he died just like maybe a week later, and he in the hospital like took napkins and made a like ripped them and made a picture frame and put the picture they brought from the hospital of me in it, and like that was so I never got to know him, And yeah, I bought to know him. And then alive we're doing a lot. Okay, Well, I've always wanted to be a princess. I liked great princess,

Thank you. I had this weird fascination with like royal families and those types of shows and books, and every time people are like, what are you reading, I'm like a princess book. I don't know why. I just love them because we want to be I'd be like, I just want to know, like what you do on a daily basis, or like because I like the fact that they have to like do like run a country and

be smart and all this stuff running the country. But you know what I mean that like go and actually have to have knowledge of what's going on in the you know, in their country. And yeah, and they work hard along with getting me where the pretty stresses. So okay, I love that. Yeah, and they wear crowns, which is always great. Crown Just start making your thing wearing crowns. It might be weird, but it's not weird when you

make it. That's true. It's only weird. Maybe it's like I have them, you know, like Arian Grande has the bunny ears. Maybe mom will be a little crown. I would like a little one. I think crown your head or something like a tiny little You should play around with that, I should. I should. I just feel like when people look at me, they don't think crown. Not yet, that's true. We're gonna work on this to have a given thing. Okay, who would you want to have? Coffee?

Drinks a lot that's tough. Have you already had coffee drinks with everyone? You want to have coffee and drinks with a lot of cool people. I mean, she's had coffee with us like that. I don't know. Get back to me that. I have to think about that. Okay, Okay, that's a good one. Okay. Um who what would your name or alter ego? And why? Hmm? Okay? Growing up you know the Confessions of the teenage drama queen. I'm too old for that. Okay, well, I know I'm about

a decade plus older than I want to say. It was Lindsay Lohan who was the actress, but her name was Lola, And I named every doll, everywhere, everything Lola, and it was like, is Lola, what's her person? She is the star of everything. She's just like this little spitfire thing. She's like your Sasha fears. Yeah, and she like she yeah, she does theater and she's this Broadway

girl and this all this stuff. I like it. She like actually has knowledge of her well, because I honestly, like I would cry to my parents and be like, why didn't you name me Lola? Yeah? So that's why I went through phase of naming everything, Lola, that's really funny. Okay, yeah, what about you alter ego? I never thought about alter ego. I think I'm too schizophrenic. I don't need an alter ego. I am my alter ego constantly, so I think I changed. I never thought about it, but I will say that.

Just funny enough. Gunner and Matthew Nelson, Oh, the Gunners's you said that long flowing, beautiful blonde there. So they're they're good friends of mine. I just recently did a show, one of my songwriter shows in New York, and I said, do you remember the nickname you guys used to call me? And they and it took him a second and they go, oh,

we call you. We called you red Sonja because I was like Red Sonya was I think an action hero in one of the like it was like one of the Arnold Schwartz and Hagen movies, you know, like she was fierce and she was cracked the whip. Because I would always be like, be on time. Okay, I want to know, don't double dip. And I could never see that. Yeah, they said that My three rules were don't be late, enunciate, and never double dip. Okay, Redah welcome to the interview,

red Sonya that's oh gosh, I don't know. I'm kind of schizophrenic to you, and I'm so emotional and every season of my life is a different series of emotions. So I know that I'm a very like open minded period right now. So I don't know, I could see that. I feel very like strong, confident, but it also like vulnerable right now, because but that's the best. When you're like the most vulnerable and transparent, people connect to you better.

I guess, yeah, I'm gonna very I think because I've started in viewing too, like I'm so curious about other people that I'm like transcending into their world's a lot more than I used to because they used to be very self focused, and I guess you're always self focused. But yeah, I don't know. I can't. I'll get back to you. This is not about me, Okay, this about y'all. Okay. So I'm gonna start with Victoria and they we're gonna move into Lacey and we're gonna connect it all together.

Interject whenever you want, Lacey, if you have some color, Lola, how okay, Lola's got this? Okay, Okay, So Victoria your singer, songwriter, producer, publisher, dancer, dancer. Well that's just my mind. So that's a poorly exotic. So can you tell me what all those rules are and which one you like the best and which one came first? Because I don't think people listening might know singer.

Everyone knows a singer is, but singer, songwriter, producer, publisher, break him down, tells about them, where they all came from, and how they fit together in your life. I was singing always, so singing first since I was I think I sang before I talked? Why were you always singing? Where did that come from? From a musical household? My mom always sids, she sang to me before she talked, I'm going to change your day. You know, everything was everything was some so music music, music was part of

the house. So probably singing. And then you said what order or just how which came first? And then together? And what do you like the best? Singing came first? That was just a natural, just everybody my family saying. I learned harmony when I was like eight, I think, you know, and just singing. It was really weird. And now you're gonna hate me for this. We used to sing a lot in the car, and my mom would

do a lot of harmonies. I guess I heard a lot of stuff and I was maybe I was nine, and I had a dream with the song you Are My Sunshine and had harmony in it, And the next time we sang in the car, I said to my mom, do be a favorite and sing you Are My Sunshine for a second, and I sang when I heard, I know that sounds so weird. I dreamed the harmony. I dreamed about hearing the song, and ever since then like, I got it. It's the weirdest thing. But I can't

hear harmonies at all. I don't know what it is. It just no, you're getting so much better. A I annoy everybody in the car because they're like, okay, no, but there's a lot of lead singers that you know, are are not the harmony people, you know, but you

takes other people and yeah, you're just not used to that. Anyways, back to me, and then piano lists piano lessons because my mom just you know, it's just said, you know, you you have to learn how to read, write, arithmetic, and piano and it doesn't matter what you do with it.

So I learned piano, thank goodness, and then coming here into town and getting why Nashville, Because you're in New York l A. You started off in l A or New York, born in New York, raised in l A. But then you stall in a part of New York. You're New York or at heart, So why did you use to Nashville? Fell in love with country music? It's the weirdest thing, and that's like, not, that's not in your roots, although because you're I love her roots. My

roots are probably gray now, but that's another story. Um No, my roots were in California, kind of southern. I mean all kinds of stuff, all kinds of music. But back then it was kind of that country when country wasn't cool. Um stuff that crossed over were a lot of Kenny Rodgers and Dolly Parton and stuff and marine stuff that crossed over. So I didn't And I used to watch a lot of TV with the Barbara Mandrell. I didn't know I was watching country. I just thought I was

watching music. So when I started to kind of dive into country, I was like, oh, I know that, I know that song. So if it was before anything like in the sixties or early seventies or something like that. I didn't know country music. Now I do, but that if it was kind of eighties on I I were mid seventies, I got it. So I just fell in love with country music and started coming down to Nashville. It was the oddest thing, but I loved it. When I went to the Bluebird, I saw my first songwriting show.

And I always dabbled in songwriting, but then I thought, oh, I'm gonna buckle down and I'm gonna really really try this songwriting, and I'm gonna get noticed, and i'm gonna get a record deal. And you know, like and you did all of this, you have notice and you gotta record, but not overnight. It was a good eight years after

coming down here. But some of the people that you first started writing with were Garth Brooks, like you started writing, Marcus Hummond, He's written so and new songs, got a bust, The Broken Road, Rascal Fat's my favorite. But how did you and Garth get linked up? Because you are like buds um We in fact where you have his grand piano in your Actually it's tricious. Sorry, I mean he'll

call it Tricia's even though it's in their house. Um but uh, yeah, I met his manager Bob Doyle a long time ago and his uh CO manager Pam Lewis at the time, and they just introduced me at this I used to crash and he did not become Garth Brooks yet, right, No, I've never even heard that name. I thought that was the weirdest name I've ever heard. Garth. Garth,

what a name. And I don't forget that, and so um so yeah, we met at the Upperland Hotel at the country radio seminar one time, and we always say we met in the bathroom because we actually, after we talked it was so loud we went into the bathroom just to exchange phone numbers and be able to write it down. So people laugh that we met kind of in the bathroom. But but yeah, So then all of

a sudden, songwriting seemed like the thing to do. And then as you get to be an artist, you start to demo and I didn't realize it at the time that I was probably that I was, you know, moving these demos along. You know, you still think, well, I can't be a producer because I don't produce my demos. And then after a while, you're like producing your demos

and and as as my success. And as I kept going, I thought, um, you know what I can producing demos and producing masters only differences of better lunch budget and you know, and more time for studio. So before you get to producing. No, you have wrote six number one hits for Garth Brooks. Is that right? No? But you number one? Good? Yes? I did six number one and and you've written six number one. Yeah, okay, so tell

me your break hits a lot for Garth Brooks. Also, you wrote Nobody Wants to Be Lonely for Christina Aguilar and Ricky Martin, which I love that song, thank you, A song called Choose every Woman for Garth for Garth, um song called I Love I Love the Way You Love Me for John Michael read the River for Garth, the River Sorry, the River brook And then you were saying for John Barry that I love no nothing for John Barry but John Barry, John Michael Montgomery. Oh, I

don't think your Assember John Barry. I'll take it. I like John. So then yes, I love the Way you Love me for John Michael Myngomery. Are you kidding me? That's the best? That is the best, thank you, thank you. And then I've had number one's like a Christmas song on the out of Contemporary charts called Sending You a Little Christmas. I've had a number one on the Latin charts, which was a Ricky Martin song. So I've just kind of been all over the charts everything but rap duck

Stone too busy being in love. So God, that's terrible that I forgot that. I'm very proud of that. What's wrong with you? I don't know? Thank God I wrote it down. There's just so many mommy brain, did you say where your road leads for Garth and Tricia? Oh? Yeah, okay, okay, is there something wrong with you? You know what? I had? How many hits? Mommy brain? I'm sorry, it's on the other things. Okay, so songwriting, lad to you getting a record deal, right? And you were coming up with Faith

Hill like y'all were. But yeah, she was my roommate. We lived together for a while. Okay, naked, that's why that's why you're friends everyone. You want to know everything there right there, Faith Hill stain or naked? And what did you look like? Which is why I had to kick her out? She could be my roommate anymore. She's too pretty. So yeah, so Faith, we all came up together, you know, all those people, So it was kind of fun. It was a Gary Burr. It's just like the class

of our classes always. So when you say that, because now I've started to see that, yes, you totally feel crazy. Yeah, your Brett Eldred's was in yours. We played our first show together. I remember at Excident like we both has never played a show before and we played it together. See that to me, is that the most fun part? Like when I got the roster for ma Fest, I saw five of my friends on there and I ty, Someone's like, how the heck did we get here? Last year?

We were like crowing at a bowl and Alley, this is never gonna happen? And are it really crazy? If you stick to your dreams like they really and then you're like a magnet, You're attracted to people more like yourself who are talented. A talent attracts talent and then you guys just you know. That's why I love about Nashville. Such a family and it is like a little class system. It's like you're gray, It's like you really do like there's freshman junior song were senior in the graduate you're

in my graduate school. You're a professor graduate. Yeah, you're a professor. Okay, alrighte okay. So once you started writing, then you realize that you've got a record deal. You're sending a Warner Brothers. So you actually competed against Faith Hil for Best New Female Vocalist. No, I competed against um um them A Awards Shania Twain. You were nominated for Best New Female, Best New Female, Shania Twain and um me, I didn't know that. Yes, and that third

person was you worked it out there, did shan iowen? Uh? Yes, rude, yeah, but the first I do love Shania. It was probably the cheat out. That cheat out it was. I think it was against Saith. It wasn't against Faith. It was against Shelley Wright. Oh I love right who I love of? And maybe you know what it was. Shania was on something I was up I think the a cm A war. When I was up for Best a New Vocalist, it

was Shelly Wright and Music Country. Yeah, and I can't remember Lisa broke off, yes, and so Shelley wrote Shelly one. But Shelley was great because she did my hair day before for an interview we did. I love her. It

was already moved on from your artist career, though. You also played the legendary uh Wait Central Park with Garth Brook where he did that huge free concert in Central Park that the whole park was just covered in people like farm and you were the opening actors, just you and Garth just being Garth, Like, seriously, tell us about that. Um that was, you know, what's funny? Talk about nerves. I was given like I think twenty seven minutes or something. I was allowed, and I was so nervous. I played

everything too fast and I got off early. I didn't take my full time. When I got off and looked at my clock, I was like, I gotta got another song, but I it was just kind of in and out. But it really stuff that was really fun. And then I got to watch the concert and it was now he's going to do Yankee Stadium. You know it's gonna be really cool. But what's funny is in March, I went with my daughter. Her theater class or high school theater class had a New York trip and they were

and I went as one of the chaperones. So they went on a tour of Central Park, and the tour guid said, and this is where Garth Brooks had his legendary concert. And my daughter was like, my mom opened floor? Can you believe so? But like, what kind of bragg Maybe I'll be a trivial pursue question. Who was the first country artist to play Central Park? Wasn't Garth? For you? Broke record? He closed the show for me? So yeah, seriously, how good a friends are that he asked you to open?

I think he saw the New York connection, which was cool, you know, and then he called me and said, you know, he could have asked anybody, but he would have been done. Yeah, and it was cool because I mean literally was so close to my apartment, so I took a cab up there. How many people were in that we're at that show? I think about a million, But after the first fifty you can't see anymore millions. I think it's like you've never told me there was a million? Did the city

shot down? The city was amazing? And I was just talking to Garth about this. It was in August. August is so hot? You wear spandex? I think a crop shop? No, what are you? What? Crap. I don't remember, to be honest with you, but I was wearing a Manuel jacket. I do know that, but it was an incredible designer. And actually, yes, I was talking to the garth and saying, because he was hoping that the weather was going to be good for this Yankee Stadium thing, I said, you

change the weather in August in New York. No humidity, a little breeze, And I remember talking to my mom looking out, going, Okay, this is not the weather that should be. Now. He has really good connections. It's amazing, he's got that good energy. Yeah, okay, so you did the artist. I did the artist two albums on Warner Brothers and UM Warner Repris, and they offered me another one. But it really just didn't happen the way I hoped

it would happen. And at that point I just thought, I think it's time to move on and change up my karma and have a baby, because that's something I really wanted to do, and I kept putting it off, and I didn't want to put it off anymore. My father had just passed away, and it seemed like a lot of a lot of things were needing to change. So I just thought, I need to This is not the right home for me, even though I'm so grateful I got to have two records. It was great. Excuse me.

And so then I cut my hair and I left my management. I feel like kind of hair is always a moment totally transform. Yeah. I took off all the big curls, cut my hair, got pregnant. Um, left my Yeah, I left my pr my went for ASC after to see Sack. I left my agents went, you know, I mean, just try to change, changed it all and are you glad you changed totally completely? And then decided, I really what I wanted to do was develop artists because I

thought I'd be good at it. I think it's the artist in me and the mother and me and I have a lot of patients when I love something, really really a lot of patients because I just think things take time, slow and steady. So um, I don't know. I just I was looking for a guy and then ended up finding Hillary and then eventually finding that leads

to slay. And by the way, the panting is back full force because there's not lazy panting, but there is thunder outside and our sweet little Bagel teacup over here is very nervous or she's gonna pant a whittle bit. So then you moved into producing and you linked up with Hillary Scott from Lady into Bellum, who was about fifteen sixteen, the same age you're nineteen now, yes, but she was. It sounds still so young. You've done so

much for nineteen years. But for you, I'm sure it's like I met you and you're so young, but I could be your mother. That would be that would be wrong, but it could happen. So you linked up with Hillary Scott, you started developing her, you signed her to a publishing deal, and then here comes Charles and Dave and they formed Lady into Bellum and you co produced it with Paul really talking about that. Um, just it was all an amazing experience. It was to work with them for five years.

We'll work for Hillary for five years, for the boys for about three, I guess, um and get him their deal and and just I mean they used to just live at my office basically big you know, coming all the time to write and we demo and they you know, Charles would call and ask for you know, how should this set list go for this show? What do you think about that? You know, it was It was really a very uh incredible time and I did everything just by gut, nothing by the way it's supposed to do it.

We didn't have a paid uh you usually you get money for a showcase, but we just they just got started playing out and I just called everybody and their mother and by the end of that night they had three deals offered and by the next day they had five.

And I mean, but they've been play but they had been playing once a week at the Thortan Lindsley and really just honing their stuff and and just getting better and better and writing and writing, and I believed in them and and then got to co produce the first album and one SMA producer SMA album single of the Year, which was I Run to You, which was I Run so that one single of the year. Yeah, that was

really amazing. How did that feel? Totally a surprise? Really, yeah, it was surprised when I actually I didn't when I won the A c M for I Love the Way You Loved Me, I was so sure Chattahoochi was going to get it, so I was kind of relaxed in my seat. And then when they called, I run to you. Who do you think it was gonna get it? I don't remember what else was up there at the moment now,

but I remember just turning. Paul Whirley was sitting behind me, and we just kind of looked at each other, like what, Yeah, it all got to station, except they it was something. Did you know what's there? Did you freeze? I never freeze. I don't know what I said, but I don't free Oh okay, it's okay. There's a lot happening here. Someone's coming in an interview. We're just doing a quick interview over here. Leslie said, we can use their office, like

we're in Leslie Thomasina's office. Who is the wife of Bob Dapira, who I also interviewed for my podcast. I don't know, so she knows. Oh yeah, I'd interviewed Bob and he's an amazing Oh my gosh, the stories are incredible. So we're all connected. This Nashville web is very tight. So I uh, talking about Hillary and being so young, I didn't want to work with anybody else young again

just me. I loved her, still love her, but just thought, you know that that was a one time thing and a lot of people think, oh, you did her, so let me bring every you know, here's my here's my embryo, here's my ami. You know, here's my four year old, you know like this. It was constantly, but it wasn't until Lazy came walking into my office where I was like, oh, here we go, because I just fell in love with her and she had this special thing aura around her,

just like Hillary did. Just this special unique individual start us, start us. Yes, And it doesn't matter that you have to have you need to you know, work, you know, and owning and eduction, you know, like just educating your craft. If you don't have that start us to begin with, it just doesn't matter. I agree. Where do you see yourself in the next five years? What's your dream? What does your dream five years look by from now? Because you've called much quite a bit in your lifetime, but

there's so much more. I know what you never stopped dreaming. Oh you're also working with the Property brothers like you just have with them all the time. You just recorded their new songs. Was number five on she a State video on the countdown. How fun is that? It's really fun random thing to be producing the Property But I am a random thing. They should give you a free house. I would like that they give me a free I would just like you to come and renovate the house

I have. That would be That would be nice. But yeah, so that's in five years from now. I would like to be looking at Lacy winning another Grammy, going see you for Lacey to win like another Grammy, like like already you will already have one in five years. Yes, so she'll have Grammy. That's like a big She'll be We're winning another Grammy and she'll be really successful. And I'll be just going see, I know what I know, what I know what I know? And um uh, let's

see what else. I would love one of the shows that I've been musicals I've been wading to be either in production or already out. How many musicals have you written? Uh? One children's musical that's completed and one, um adult one that's not quite completed yet. Wow? Yeah, so um so I'd like that and what else? Uh we're just talking professionally, right,

so I just the whole game it. Oh. Um. I would like enough money to take me take her degrees traveling around the world and suck out some parts of my body. But yeah, I don't know, it's just happy. That's why i'd like to be in five years. I think that's where i'd like to be. I'd like to be happy. Okay, now could you happy and healthy? Could you introduce Lacy in your words and describe her before we get Lacy Cavalier section lazy Cavalier. Besides the fact

that she's skinny popcorn, I'm not. I don't know why. I'm just sling on my heart today. Lacey Cavalier to me, is the just the next big thing. She is. She has um incredible beauty inside and out. She is a really really talented songwriter, which you know, a lot of girls are great singers, which she is, but really talented songwriter with great, unique ideas. Knows her sound. I'll let her tell you she is. She is unique, stunning, hard working, hard on herself, too hard on herself sometimes, but I

love that because you know she wants. She just wants. She's a perfectionist and um, I keep trying to teach her that sometimes the bumps in the road are the most beautiful. But I love it. Before you walked in, I was like, she's crying, like hey about something, but that's okay because she wants things so badly, So she's

she is I haven't. Yeah, she's driven and she is a girl's girl, which a lot of times when you see beautiful women you think, oh god, you know they must be you know, stuck up or only like guys. She's a girl's girls. And after the show, I get so proud that the girls are the ones that line up because they really relate to the music. They like her, they like her vibe. She gives out the hey, let's go shopping by and let's go eat the food. Well I've seen her eat and it's not skinny popcorn. She

can put it away. But yeah, she is the next big thing because she's because she's real and she's not a cookie cutter mode and she is there for um. Women are going to love her. And that's the difference, you know, because a lot of guys sign girl women or female artists based on what they think. And you know, what guys think is not what girls think. And girls are the ones that buy the music. So guys will think they're hot, but they're not going to go and

buy this. Girls have to connect and I haven't seen this kind of beauty and talent combined. Um since uh well, obviously Hillary had it, but she was in a group. But I haven't seen it as an individual since my old roommate, Faith Hill. Where you have beauty but accessibility and such down to earth realness. That's it's just an amazing combination. Thanks that note, Let's bring on laces help. So tell me about what your sound is. How would

you describe yourself and you have a Louisiana flair? Oh yeah, I would say, like, honestly, my whole thing has been if I write what genuinely like organically comes out of me, then it'll be it'll just create, you know, a sound that people won't be able to deny, they won't be able to like call out and be like and I don't really like it if it comes, you know, just

completely from me and how I feel or whatever. And that for me is, you know, obviously country, but I really love soul like music and I love like a little Louisiana swampy vibe to it. So you know, all those three things can bind along with the fact that I listen to Drake and I'll listen to Justin Bieber and all those things, you know, just whatever I feel when I'm writing. It's just what I listen to this. Does this like make me feel good? Does this make

me feel something? Because if it makes me feel something, then other people are going to connect to what I'm feeling and you know, enjoy it. So I love that, you know, people from Louisiana. I love Louisiana too. Don't think it's so proudful. Tell you why people love Louisiana so much. I just okay, wait, can we eat in this? Yeah? I think I'm done and I'll eat it, but I would never pick it. Yeah. See, I just I don't know. I think it's a lot of it is the people.

Everyone's just so chill and nice and like when I go home, literally there's probably more people that aren't a part of my family at my house than my family. Like I love that. Yeah, I go home and my dad, Like my dad's friends will just drive over and sit on the back porch or go fishing, or my mom's in the kitchen having one with her friends. And then

all my friends are there. When I'm here in Nashville, I'm like, they're hanging out with my sister and my family and having like board game night, and I'm not. Your family is just super fine. It was always the house where everyone like kind of you know, met up and you know, hung out and whatnot. And I'm a huge board game fanatic. What's your favorite? Oh well, I have like every version of Monopoly possible. Why yeah, fashion, Yeah,

and I even have the credit card version. That's I'm like, I'm ridiculous, but I will like relationships will end like depending on Monopoly, like like a long game. Yeah, it is long. It is long, but it's worth it, y'all. Yeah, Like seven years old, I was slipping Monopoly boards and you're mad, Oh, I'm so competitive. Yeah, so Monopoly that's what it is. Yeah, you're still competitive, and you're the

most competitive with yourself intense the thing. Yeah, A big sports player when I grew up, played softball and that, you know, competitive cheerleading and stuff. So I was always you wanna win, Gotta win, gotta win. So you've had a couple of videos on CMT, which is awesome considering you haven't even signed a record deal yet, which I'm sure you will soon. But to have two videos on CMT one so well, they put it, they like featured

it on my artist page on the artist. We have an artist page on to you like type in cft slash like skevily and you get me. That's a big deal. Did you freak? I did? I would free. I was like, get using any excuse to be like, yeah, go check out my artist. Artists there so weak and bio bio is great. I found out that you were on Barney. Yeah, okay, how in the world did you get on Barney? And who was under that costume? Oh? Well, you know looking in jail now? Yeah, he was actually so nice. You

have two seasons of Barney. Yeah, So basically I guess I was like eight. I went to my parents and I was I was watching Nickelodeon and I was like, I want to get slammed, and they're like, what are you talking about? Like I need to be on TV? Like I need to That's what I need to do that And so almost like great, like couldn't you just say you want to be on swim team or something? And so it's actually more difficult. Exactly, we actually knew

somebody that did acting camps and stuff in Dallas. So I begged and begged and I was like, please, can we just go with them? One weekend and go. So we go, and I got a few like agent offers, and so I took it, like I signed with an agency and booked Barney and started doing that and I what is that? Like what do you do? It was like it was it was funny because my mom was like,

this is so weird. I'm dropping my eight year old off at work at seven in the morning and picking her up at So yeah, the dollars I mean, like dollars that went into a college fund to the college doesn't go to That's great. Your mom could drop you off. Didn't they have to be have a garden. A garden? Oh no, we had like Barney's. We had school there at school there I did you love your cast mate? Oh my gosh, they're my best friend. Barney's Like okay, so you know, piece out to mom and so cool.

I was so cool. I'd be like highlighting my lines and in the car and be like, all right, I gotta go jewels, slap my book. Yeah it's up, go inside, and um. We'd have catering like brightfast all that stuff.

Then we would switch with whoever needed to be on set or whatever within school because we had to be in school a certain amount of hours each day, and so yeah, we had like a teacher in the room and we got to bring all the props that after an episode was zone, We've got to bring like a TP or a rocketship or whatever and put in our classroom and like you are working there. And there was only four or five of us at a time, like kids on each episode. So they're like our best friends.

And it was so much fun. Basically a big playground and yeah with anybody, yeah, like friends with them all on Facebook, and it's so fun to see him. I'm like, you're grown. Now, we're all grown. That's so we're still doing music and stuff from and acting and things like that. It's crazy. I need to have a Barney right. Damilvada was a Barney kid, and so was Selena. So you're like the new Mickey Mouse Club. I mean, I'm trying to be, you know because like Jat and Christina Brittany

and Vickey Mouse. Now Barney generation, which is not I mean, and I'm bostling, you know. He was part of that too, of the Vickey Mouse Stop. Okay, now that's really gonna be a thing. Yeah, Okay, it's Barney Generation. Next. This is Lacey's Millennials. They have each section, so you'll be the Barney's Yeah, just the Barney's Barney. Maybe that's your

spirit animal. Maybe Barney. Actually I was on the first season that they ever had the dinosaur riff, so he was the brand new dinosaur and I got to be So what he is under that costume? Just a guy? Is he cool? Yeah? Like that? Yeah, he was cool. And the ones in the smaller suits are actually actually actually little people. Are they speaking like that? Yeah? So

that they really are acting? Oh no, no, no. There's like a sound booth over the studio and so there's the voices up top that would watch us while we film, and they're talking and that like Barney has a rod in his mouth and you bite out on and moves his chin and like, wow, gosh, see the backside of his fans inside so hot, so hot. Do you remember the one that caught on fire? It was in that studio, just white before my um wow. Okay, so you said I'm done with Barney two seasons, like I'm going to

Nashville and parents. I was retiring. But you know, like Victoria's right, you have to have that start us if you did like a couple acting because in Dallas and right off the bat you get put on the biggest TV show for children. That's a big deal. Lacy. I told my parents I was a star. You are like, there's literally a home video of me at five and a half, And they're like, how would be Like I'm five and a half and I can sing that good

and they're like, great, this is great. Here we go. Yeah, And so I literally went to my parents after Barney and told him I was retiring and that I wanted to do music, and they're like, this is awesome, Like what the hell do we do with her? So your mom and she moved up to Nashville with you. She did, um, like twelve I started, I cut my first like demo record, did all that stuff, and then like thirteen fourteen, just

really played around and Louisiana and did that stuff. And then um, yeah, my mom moved up here with me when I was fifteen and lived in me until seventeen and then went home. And now now you're nineteen nineteen and you've had you got How did you get your video on CMT with no record deal or anything like that? Being vic just you know, making thanks happened. I'm just kidding.

We're just basically saying like knocking on every door saying, look, I promise you'll like it, just you know, connections, Yeah, exactly, and also good stuff video because I was going to give you a favor if the goods aren't there, right. So basically I just for about six months, I said, I started writing constantly because I finally figured out what I wanted to say, which I feel like, what do you want to say? Well, it was in a relationship,

and that gives you things to say. Talk about when you're going and this is when you were how old? When you were seventeen? Yeah? Is this what your new EPs about? Yeah? Continuation, Yeah, continuation. It's called what is it called? It's saving pennies, pay and due? And then your single is called a waitress. So talk about this EP so the past fault or this last ball. Yeah. I was trying to prove to my parents like that that I could do more than like be on a

TV show or sing or write a song. And so it's like I can do a regular job, like hands on back hurt and knees shaking, like hard working job. And I'm like, okay, le so I go out and I got this job. I was so proud of myself. And after like the first day, I was sitting there thinking what the heck did I do? I was I was a wait too, sat double dogs down here on one.

It's a sports bar. We got. All the guys were hitting on you all the time, you would think, until I mess up their order and then they're like, okay, this girl. And it was all college students, so it's not like they're gonna drop a big, you know, tip on me. They just want to like mess with you. So it was a lot of hard work. But I wrote a song about it after working there for about

a month, and it's just about the whole thing. It's about like basically everybody I know in Nashville has had at some point or still does that kind of job where you're just waiting tables or you're you know, parking cars or whatever, just to make it ready, yeah, so that you can do what you want to do. And so it's kind of about that, just you know, yeah, like in my heart, I'm the start, I'm just this and that. But like right this second, I have a

catchup staying on my shirt. I'm running you know food, but I'll get there, like I'll get there, and I love it. And the title of the EP actually is a lie in that song, and I just loved it. Was It's exactly how I feel in life right now. It's kind of like pinching pennies, but like doing what I need to do to get where I'm going, you know what I mean, and showing that I'm dedicated and working hard and well. Vick used to always tell me, You're just not quite ready. You're just not ready now.

Used always be like, what are you talking about? I'm ready, Like I'm ready right now. We have a couple of you don't see that. I'm ready now. Like in retrospect, timing truly is everything, and it is so important to go through these experiences and pay for pennies and pay your dues and get from them and go on make these mistakes and learn the stuff before you are in the huge spotlight sent just building building character and that

whole thing. Like I don't know, just my respect for people that work day in and day out to support themselves in their families and stuff like that. It just all of a sudden dawned on me, and I'm just like oh wow, like thanks dad, you know, and things like that. It helped. Okay, So then you get picked up to open for Chase Rice. Yes, once again, you're not signed and you're on a big tour opening. How did that happen? How did it make you feel? And what? Um?

I freaked out? But did you even get linked up? Like he randomly? I guess he saw my video for put You Down on cnet or something. He heard it somehow and he came to you. He tweeted me, he like tweeted my song and he was like badass song, powerful voice. Not that I've memorized it, but and like and like put the link to my song and everything and like tagged me, and I think I went myself. At the time, I was like no, no, no, because I was like waking up and I was like, this

is a joke. This is like a fan account, this isn't And so I go to and I'm like it's verified, it's and I'm like screens, it's real. And so I was freaking out. But then it was like three or four months later that I ran. I got a six from five numbers call my phone and I never answered random numbers. I'm like it's going to be something, you know, silly, I answered, and he was like, hey, this just Chase.

I said what. I was like, who chastes who? And he's like right, and I said okay, like right, okay, and he's like no, really, this is y right. And I was like is this really huge? Yes? And he and he just went into like how you listen to my music and how he wanted to hear put you down every night and asked me if I would come on tour and in the spring. Okay, that doesn't happen. I called my mom and I was like, Mom, like a movie. Thing just happened like a movie. That's like

one of those moments that like everyone dreams to. Everything she's doing is right. And to this day, I'm like thank him. I'm like, now you've given me a story that I can tell for the restaurant that you know Chase. Rice just called me on the phone that's I would have to see her with her opening night in Cookville at the University there and it was amazing. It was just amazing. Were you nervous because those are probably in the biggest crowds you've played for, the biggest I thought,

when did they I mean, they loved her. But I was so nervous because when we when he said college tore I was thinking, oh, bars or clubs in the college town we pulled up in and see arenas or like the basketball stadiums or whatever, but a lot of them were like the city's arenas, and my heart just dropped. I was like, no, no, no, no. I didn't like mentally prepare for this. So so the first night I was super nervous. I was just pacing. But the minute I got up there, I was like I got this,

Like what do you you know? What are you kidd And I got this? So then it was just fun. And then after that first night, I was like, I'm just ready to get back to Caroline. What Chase gave you for the last goodbye tour? For he gave me a pair of lubatons? He knows what's up? Can you believe that? Okay? So I had friends come to a show like halfway through the tour and he was talking about what Kenny Chesney had gotten him for an into

tour gift. And I was like, let's talking about in the tour gifts, like joking with them, and they were all like, you gotta get her lou Batons like joking, and we're all messing around, and like three weeks later he got me and he like he remembered he took his girlfriend and like they went and picked him out. And so is he cool? Have you become? Oh my gosh,

he's like one of my best friends. I'm obsessed with him and he's so down to earth and just like that's the thing, like him just picking up his cell phone and call me. Wasn't through agents, it wasn't through managers, wasn't this whole thing. It was like, we're too human beings. I like your music, come play with me, you know what I mean? Just and I appreciate that so much about him, And I mean we hung out every day, you know, and that was so fun, playing basketball or

just you know, watching TV or whatever. It was just hanging out. So it was no romantic dating ever. No, you know, I don't think her boyfriend would have like, yeah, okay, so it was your boyfriend jealous that you're on tour chase right, Well, No, it was actually funny. I sang rod with him every night at the shows, and one night I got off stage and my band my boyfriend was like I didn't believe it, and I was like,

what are you talking about? He was like, you should have played it up more, like I didn't believe that you alrea together, and so I didn't believe that you are because like during the song, because it's like a it's like a sexy song, and Chase says this little speech about like kind of like before he serenades me, serenades me, and Van was like, yeah, I didn't like

you didn't play it up. And I was like, and so Van and in Chase's girlfriend, like while we're saying that, we stand on the side of stage like holding each other, and I'm like, get over of each other, Like you can't do that. That's funny. You know. Years ago I went to see my h I don't think we're married yet, but my fiance or whatever in a in a play and I remember saying to him, you need to kiss

her more because I was trying to chill you the show. Yeah, and your boyfriend manages Sam Hunt right well, he just he's with Sam right now. He helps more with his brother too. Though. Yeah, okay, I mean like you're in with like the cool new rat Pack. They're fun. Yeah, we have a lot of fun. Uh, they're just crazy. Yeah, what kind of trouble are you'll get into? Oh? You know, just we we love a good beat. Yeah, we love a good pool, hang a good beating, just like cooking

out barbecue in love that, but playing basketball, just anything. Okay, Yeah I love this. So do you have the total bug to stay on tour? Yes, I don't stop. I'm like I got the bug. You know, anybody that's in this industry is a show off. That's what we are. That's what we do. We want to be up there like shaking our tail feather and singing. That's what we do. So now I'm just, yeah, trying to get any opportunity to jump back up there and bast place my fest.

So I'm so excited. She's going to play a Radio Disney stage. What is the Radio Disney So this is the first time that Radio Disney Country since they just launched Radio Disney Country last year. This is the first time they're having a stage for seeing my first and they asked me to play. And today I heard my song on their radio for the first time. Yeah, I was freaking the play a song that lay recorded, Oh yeah, that you wrote playing radio. Disney Radio du has been

playing do you believe that that that song? Like, oh my gosh, do you? Oh my gosh. So, by the way, the song is called arms length the way arms length MS Okay, I cent you wrote it? Come on, I didn't. Well maybe we hey, you know whatever. Disney played it

a lot. Yeah, ok, yeah. So one of Caroline's song that she wrote I'm like completely obsessed with and yeah saying it for like what three years now, and I hate that that song will just kick but one day, girl just take that thing and it just takes the top. And that's actually the only outside long that I sing like that I didn't write. So yeah, this is one of those that you like here and immediately special. It's

so special. It really everybody that hears it's like in tears and like, oh my god, that's me, that's me, that's me. I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's about like an ex love and like your heartbreaking heads. If everyone to check it out, it's very vulnerable and honest. So like, so tell me where you see yourself in the next five years, Oh, you know, on a street corner somewhere. I'm just um no, I don't know. I mean you have these goals in these dreams, but I'm so big

on just like God's playing. I do, I do. And that's the thing that keeps me saying, because you start giving yourself timelines, and you start, you know, overthinking things and all this stuff, and then you look up and you're like, well, I'm not where I expected to be, and then all of a sudden you feel like you haven't accomplished things. And so I'm trying to enjoy you to accomplishment as a comet. But you've already accomplished so much.

She's only looking for a few weeks. Oh, you're really nice to me, you know, but hopefully I'll have at least one number one, if not a few, and say that. Okay, Victoria has bigger goals for you. She's talking about double I know. That's what I'm saying. That's all I'm pressure. Do you see what I'm saying? Maybe you know, maybe I'm just super married, no five years Okay, so maybe i'd be engaged, Okay, engaged with number one. Yeah, I'll give you that. You can be engaged with at least

one Grammy and a number. Maybe I'll be royal and queen. Maybe I'll be a queen. Maybe do you think they're like country? Oh? Maybe I'll have sang Victoria's Secret Fashion show. I think that that's what I'm wear the laundry because like a model and then start becoming a Victoria's model. That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to be like country music first and you know vas angel, But like that would come the fact that you would have the option to be a Victoria's Secret model. I'd have

to go with you to Berry's. You got the body? No, you're like, how are you five? Eight? I mean rock and body? It's it's stupid. Yeah. When you'll look at lazy Cavalier, y'all be like, is she real? Touching right now? And it's real? It's real. Okay, So I'm gonna wrap up. I like to wrap up, but you have me to say, Victoria, No, this has been lovely. Did they? Can we tell the people that you used to be my intern? Yeah, of course, and that you're still in my role in my address

book is intern. I can't it's too sentimental. I can't change it. I know. That's how I got started. I was going to school at Belmont and I was interning I wanted to intern, and I started interning for Victoria. You know my cousin. I went to Spain with your cousin, Abbie Darby. That's so weird. When she we were sitting at Christmas dinner and she's like, you know, Caroline, And I was like, you know, Carolin, the world is tiny. Everybody knows Caroline. Yeah. I love the podcast. Memorized the

intro saying, Caroline, she's the queen. What is it you? She's got is sad, She's got the scoop, but no one can do be quiet. Like, but I appreciate you know the song, love it? Okay, So I like to end with leave your Light. Okay, So Victoria, you go first, leave your light, like, leave some inspiration. How have you been inspired or how would you like to inspire others with what you've done or seen or experience in your life. I'll leave you with let's see inspiration, inspiration. Do you

have to go first? Yeah? Well, I mean I'll just say what my dear friend Leslie the Pure says, if money can fix the problem, it's not a real problem. I love that. I meaning, you know what I mean. We get crazy about stuff, but we have to remember therapy. Money can fix problems with therapy. You know what, You're right, Okay, just don't double dimp no no, no, go a nice, be kind. I don't know, just be brave and take chances, because um, I think the the the only time you

lose is when you don't do anything. You absolutely cannot lose by having an experience, but you can totally lose by freezing yourself up. I like that, it's true and walks forward towards your dream and it may not hit that dream, but another door is supposed to open, but you can't even hit that door if you don't walk towards it. So don't freeze. That's that's the only time

you lose. I love that. Okay, great. What I'd say, which I try to practice this like on the daily when I'm like, you know, have an emotional roller coaster that I live. But um, I would just say, be complete yourself, completely yourself and be as transparent as possible. And also like for me that what keeps me doing that is my family and things like that, and just know that like not to get all super god God everybody, but like you know, on my thing is audience of

one like you have known to impress but him. And that's always kind of like, if I'm doing what I feel is true to myself and true to my goal eventually or whatever, and making sure that everybody that truly knows me and whatever still sees that in me, then I'm doing good no matter what happened that yeah, yeah, And just you know, how about you, Caroline're gonna shot a little light for us today. This is about you, guy, I know, but I love those things you post on

Instagram of inspirational stuff. I like it a lot of Dolly Lama stuff, Little Dolly Parton. I kind of feel like I started this podcast because the same thing. I feel like a lot of people are really afraid to go after they're calling on their heart and kind of like what you're saying, Victoria, I started off pursuing music, but I have now realized through that how much I love interviewing and hosting. But I would have never figured that out if I hadn't started walking through the doors.

And I just feel the same way, like I think this life is so short, and if you don't live it doing what it's on your heart and like answering that call, then why are we here? Right exactly. So like that's why I love interviewing inspired people, because I think everyone needs to hear these stories and then go out in their own life and be inspired, because that's how you're connected to the bigger source, and that's how

you change the world, make a better place. And if everyone listened to the calling on their heart, I feel like there would be a lot happier place that they lived in Chocolate, my mother always says, and they'd be less worse because you can't be angry and eat chocolate, and people wouldn't be so angry. That is true. So any more chocolate and more love, I can do that. I can do that, Okay, And here's what the song comes in. Lacey's to start saying, Caroline, she's a queen

of talking. He was, She's on the inside. She got the scoop on the side. No one can do with Caral Caroline. I hope that you loved hearing from Victoria Shaw and Lacey Cavalier. They are amazing people. Y'all be on the lookout for Lacey's new music. She's awesome. She has some music videos on CMT also, and she's releasing a new single Student, So y'all get excited, and I just love the Victoria got to share and talked about all her wisdom with you guys, which she's been sharing

with me my whole life. She's such an important person to me. Next week is awesome because I have literally the sweetest person on my show, and I mean it, it's literal. Her name is Rebecca Sweet and if you don't know of her, you will, and you should. She is a blogger. She has an incredible blog out there called sweet Lady Jane with an Ie, Lady with an Eye, and she's just a gym of a human being. Her blog talks all about food. She loves to do farm

to table. She talks about gift ideas. She also talks about overcoming her greatest obstacle, which was dyslexia, and that is why she started the blog and this has been a huge, inspy carrying thing for her to overcome this and to share her writing with the world because writing has been one of the biggest struggles in her life.

She is also married to Philip Sweet, who is one of the four members of a Little Big Town and she has a beautiful life on the road with him with a Little Big Town She talks all about what that life is like, how her love story unfolded with Philip, and what happened when Girl Crushed took the world by storm. So you guys are not going to want to miss next week with Rebecca Sweet. I love, love, love this angel and she's amazing, So tune in and subscribe on iTunes.