The Globetrotters: Flight Time and Big Easy.

Y'all are also the kindest people. Um, y'all are joining me and y'are three time Amazing racers, three time losers. Thank you for having us song. We really appreciate it. We've we've missed you. It's been a while since we've seen you. I know. Isn't that The crazy thing about Amazing Race is you're in this like little bubble and this little tiny little incubator with just these people, and you're racing on around the world having these wild experiences.

You're getting so close to all these different teams, and then it's just over and everyone disperses back to life. Like I had a little bit of a letdown. It was a hard transition to go back into real life for me. Did y'all struggle with that? Um? Not really, I think because you know, we we continue to travel.

You know, what will we do for our job at the time, you know, we would vote still on the team and still traveling, and you know, we were actually reliving the amazing race you know every night because when we go do shows and stuff, you know people was coming because you know they enjoy watching us on the show. So um, it was cool to keep going. But you know, I would love to do it again, like on that at that point and I was like, I want to win, you know, so on that point, yes, it's a letdown

from losing. I wished you know, I wish I could do it again. It Yeah, I think. I think one of the things that we all experienced and we would talk about amongst former races are the right the race mayors, Like even on tour. Sometimes I know that I would wake up, I think that I'm still running a race, and you know, thinking that I've yeah, yeah, I need

to wait, you know, wake big, easy up. But nobody else is in the room except for me, for I mean, but that kind of think, that's something that happens like a month or whatever afterwards, where you wake up and thinking that you about the missile of something. I think a lot of us have experienced that totally. Okay, So I want to talk a little bit about you guys and your upbringing, how y'all got to the globetrotters, Herb. I was just reading some of your book projects Popes

and Presidents. First off, I didn't know you're best selling author, Like you just wrote this book and it just became a national best bestseller, which is amazing. But you're talking about how you grew up, um, the way you were raised, how that impacted you, And I just sort of want to talk to you all about your childhoods and what

what led you to basketball. And I know from your book, Herb, you had a lot of overcoming and you saw some stuff that you didn't necessarily want to be, like even like when it came to being father and um a partner and all that, Like, you witness some stuff he that made you go differently, but it was so important to you from the life that you had, was so

important to you in shaping you. And I'm sure that you have some stories too, So I just would love to hear y'all upbringing what led you to basketball and the Globetrotters, Well, I mean from I mean, as you read the first chapter the book, that initial thing that I remembered in my book is what led me to the basketball. If you read more into the book, you'll know that that person, you know, from that horible experience with the person that led me to the opportunities that

I have right now. Yeah, yeah, and and so I just feel like all the experience and obstacles that I face have actually given me opportunity to see things in a different way, uh and not so negative at times. And I think that that's what's been one of the best things about my life, being able to see things that way and living that way and let people know that at the end of the day, you know, things

are gonna be okay. I've learned to not complain about certain things because at the end of the day, I realized that there are people, especially from my travels, that have a lot more you know, horrible things going on in their lives than myself. You know, a former hollow Blow will try to even growing up growing up in the projects of Arkansas, there are people who grew up a lot worse and are growing up a lot worse than I did right now in different parts of the world.

So that first memory that you talked about in your book is your mom's boyfriend and he can't He's riding up on a bike and then he just starts like beating up your mom physically, and you were, yeah, yep, yep. I think I was about four years old. And you know, one of the things that that taught me is, you know, never to put my hands on a on a woman, because I remember, you know, those experiences happened over and

over again for a short period of my life. But it just, you know, put me in the mindset to where, you know, if I gotta put my hands on somebody, I have to realize that, you know, that's somebody's mother, that's somebody's daughter. And now I have a daughter now. And it even put things in more perspective that you know, it's not right, it's not necessary, and you know, there's

other ways to work things out. And I love that used at it was just like, uh, you you well, you had the reasons why you felt like that was happening. Was just like not being educated, like he didn't know any better basically, right, right, right, I mean it was it was a cycle. You know that that person, he it was something that he experienced growing up. And you know, if that's something that continues to happen and you never talked a different way, you kind of know that it's wrong,

but it's hard not to reactive. And that's you what you've been used to sing for a large portion of your life. Not to make it an excuse, but there's a lot of opportunity and a lot of research out there now for us as me and and women to realize that there are other things that we can do besides become physically violent with one another. I love that. But he also led you to basketball because he was

an incredible basketball player. So that's how you learned how to play basketball and got into it, right, that's right. He led me, led me to the game of basketball. And I've had conversations with him even in the last year. You know, I still, uh, you know, reach out and try to support him the best way that he can. Because at the end of the day, I don't think

that he was a horrible person. He just didn't have the education that I had up with the experiences I was able to have in order that I can see things in a different light. I totally agree. And so is that what led you to write your book? You said it was finally time for you to write your story. You're retired from the Globe Trotters, which nate you still are going strong. You're not retired, you're still rocking a wrong Uh huh? Is that you? So? Her? Have you

retired from the Globe Trotters. You've been there eighteen years and you finally said, Okay, I'm gonna write my life story. Yeah. Yeah, that's basically what happened, because I mean probably about five years into my career, every time I would come home and I'm sure they probably gets this as well, my homeboys, my friends, whatever, they started asking questions and they would say, man,

you should write a book. And this happened for almost twelve years, and then finally when it was over with, I said, yeah, it's time for me to write a book. In from writing that book, what I was able to do and what I feel like I've been able to do is give back, you know, to people who have read it. What the world is given to me is, which is some amazing experiences and That's what it's all

about for me right now. It's about giving back and sharing my life stories and my life experien answers so that some other people, when Facebook similar situations may know how to deal with these situations. And that's my main purpose now. Kind OF's is free, doesn't cost us a dime, give it away knowing that we'll never run away, run out of it, and and and just keep going. I love that. So, Nay, tell me a little about you. How did you grow up? How did you get your

start in the basketball? Um? I was you know, I grew up in New Orleans. I grew up in the mail for me projects, UM, in New Orleans in the nineties. UM, which was tough. You know, it was a lot of stuff I've seen that I wouldn't wishing anybody to see, you know. UM, But everything I've been through and went through they made me who I am to day. It's the reason why I'm as tough as I am as the reason. UM, nothing really phased me. I always go hard, never make excuses. I don't give up on nothing no

matter what. UM. Just for me, basketball still it was it saved my life. It was this point Blake, you know, growing up. I grew up seeing the things I've seen, all the murders and and all the violence and different things. It was part of growing up witness murders sometimes. But yeah, of course you see, you see some stuff that you you don't want to don't see growing up as a as a kid. Yeah, you know, you you did, you know, see some things and walking to school the next day,

you know, you see somebody still out there. You get caught up. You know. The basketball court got shot up, you know. When I was younger, I was like nine years old. Uman, one of my best friends, Wayne was on the court watching the game, and UM, some guys out another project came and shot the court up, you know. And that was just part of growing up. It was part of the neighborhood we was in, UM and it

just made me tough. It made me like, wanna do better, you know, and in order to do better, you have to know better. And I understood that being taller than everybody coming up, this mean that I was gonna naturally play basketball. I had to work hard and and and and persevere and get through those things. And you know, I didn't get a chance to play summer ball, au ball.

I had to go work in the summertime, you know, because you know, if I didn't work in the summertime, I wouldn't be able to buy my school uniforms for when school started, you know, and things like that. And so I went through some stuff, and you know, um, it made me who I am. My father got hurt when now I was in eleven grade, I think. Uh, he was a long shore on the river. Um, he saved some mother had to stop to take care of him. And so instead of going straight to college, you know

what happened out? Sorry, yeah, you said your father got hurt. He was on a river. He was he was a long shoreman. Yeah, he was a long shoreman. He worked on the river. We called it at the port, the Port of New Orleans, we called it on the river. But yeah, he was a long shoreman. He got hurt. Um, he saved someone as he was getting hurt. And um, because of that accident, he had to stop working to heal up. My mother had to stop her job to take care of my dad because he was home. And

so you know, I went to work. I worked at a place called achime Osha House. Um. I was washing dishes and shucking oysters at six nine, Um, and it just it made me understand like even more what I want to do. I want to go to college. I want to get an education, and um, the vehicle for me to do that was too basketball. And I think if it wasn't for that ball, Um, you know, I probably wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be in a position

that end the day. So I love that. And I was telling her just a little bit before we started, like I struggle with the brokenness of this world, Like it's really hard for me to accept that there's so much pain and suffering in the world, especially with like young children. And you you both witnessed a lot of violence as young boys, and UM, a lot of things that you decided not to do, and you made decisions to change your life and to change your mindset and

to have a different way of living. But I agree with you her how you said, a lot of it is just not knowing, not knowing better, being caught in this cycle. And I it just crushes my soul that the cycle exist, because I agree with you, if we if people could just learn a different way, it wouldn't maybe the violence wouldn't have to be like it is or or the suffering would have to be like it is.

But like, how do you deal with a broken world when you know in your heart things things should be better and that everyone has a good spark in then we just might not know how to how to be the best version of ourselves? Like how do you not feel sad about it? Because sometimes I feel sad that there's just so much suffering going on. I think everything starts at home, you know, I think, Um, no matter what you know, nothing is no, you don't inherit anything.

Everything you see at home. So whether it's you know, being like herb said, being violent, you know, he wants to break that cycle. You know, whether there's somebody being mean, be a bully, being racist, being anything you you see, it's at home. It's come from a time that they was taught that any house. So my thing is I try to break every cycle that I've been through. And then it was poverty, whether it's the lack of education, anything that is, and any everybody can do that at home.

If you start there, If you start there and you teach your kids a different way, then you can break the cycle. It starts with you. It starts at home, you know, we want to change the world. Of course, like herbs say, you know, you want to see conns is free and that that engulf a lot of things. You know. He when he says that, that that that that puts a dome on everything, because it is if you're if you're kind, that's gonna eliminate a lot of stuff

from from the start, you know that. And I love that. So I think it starts at home. It's tough to see certain things and stuff, to see people going through things that that that you saw, and but you know, I understand if at home, you know, if I practice and preach to my kids education and learning how to balance a checkbook and and just getting your credit right, this small little things like that that we didn't get the opportunity coming up, um, it could change it could

change the world. But I think everything starts at home, whether it's teaching them good things are bad things, it always starts at home. You can think about anything that happened in your life and how you look at other people and things around you, and your parents had an influence on that. And so as parents we gotta make sure we we we we were saying the right things, doing the right things, and having a popular influence with all your kids. Carolina, I totally agree with what Nate says.

I mean, it definitely starts at home. A lot of a lot of what I feel like we're dealing with now issue that we have that we're watching what's going on on television. We're watching too much news, and we're getting worked up about things that we really have no control over, and we're letting that affect our homes, where that is where we should be solving and letting our

people know that everything is gonna be okay. I mean, for myself, I saw myself getting caught up and what was going early in the year, but I had to shift and realize that I need to be strong for the people that I can start, you know, sought for within my immediate grasp. So if we can start that, that's a good point, because like sometimes I get overwhelmed

by the hugeness of it. You see all this stuff on the news and TV and all of this these terrible things that are happening, and all this injustice and all these things that need to change, and people who are suffering and being the wrongdoing going on, and and it's like, oh my god, I feel so overwhelmed. I actually feel like I can't do anything. But then, like what you're saying and what I'm really trying to grasp as well, is where can I make a difference, Where

do I have an impact? Where can I actually have a grasp to to reach people and focus on that? Yeah, I mean absolutely, I mean and it's also about mental awareness. This is Mental Awareness Month, and that's one of the things that's being spoken on a lot, even in the sports industry, one of the things that I'm you know, talking about and and discussing a lot. I'm taking part in a mental awareness event just last month into Luca Lake and Birdbank, and I'm having another one on October

twenty fifth, this Sunday. It's a virtual slash in person event where we're just having people come out and meet greed and and talk about you know, what we're dealing with. Working with a few people, but mental awareness is important in our community. Growing up, and I even now it was kind of frowned up on to go out and skil I mean, I knew after my globetrot career ended after eighteen years, I had to go and see see a counsel to talk about the things that I was

dealing with in my head. You know, I've been used to doing the same thing for eighteen years and that was no longer happening. But when I was able to realize that, I've learned so much. But yeah, go ahead, No, but you're doing the same thing. And when you're a Globetrotter, you guys are traveling the world, you're treated like because you are. You're this celebrity team that comes in and makes people smile and happiness. You bring all this joy to the world and it's like a huge event everywhere

y'all go. So probably to have that stop and then all of a sudden, you're just her, you know, I mean, you're her, the Globetrotter, the amazing racer, the father, the author, all that, but the whole, the whole um movement that happens with the Globetrotters everywhere you go, it's kind of gone on. So what is that like, transitioning from being involved with this team that is so loved and so respected and has so much energy around it everywhere it

goes to being on your own. It's it's, uh, well, it's about recreating the experience, but recreating it in my own way all the things that I've learned over the kept course of that eighteen years. For example, branding, I started my own brand, swag Ball. The Globe Trotters started their own brand, as I mentioned to you. By building a home, you know in Florida's being able to hold retreats and teach kids as well as adults a different way of living as well as a different way of thinking.

It's just about being creative. I feel like God in the universe showed me the whole world over that course of eighteen years, so I can give back my perspective, you know, from my actual, real, none biased view of the things that I've seen, and I've seen a lot and my experiences are all things that each one of us can build upon. That's interesting. I'd love to hear

both of y'all's respective on this. Y'all have seen the whole world from being in the Harlem Globetrotters and then traveling the Amazing Race three times, so I know I did it two times and I went to like twenty countries, so y'all probably went to like thirty countries on the Amazing Race, who knows. And then you traveled everywhere with the Globe Trotters. And what I thought was interesting with The Amazing Race is when we were on that show,

you really got into the life. They didn't like, you don't go to The Amazing Race and do like touristy stuff. They put you in the middle of real life living of whatever country you're in, like you're One of the things we did was like, um, you we were made clothing at a at a clothing like a kind of like a sweatshop, and like you know that you're in

it doing that. Another one's like building a canoe, Like you get in the middle of what's happening in that culture on The Amazing Race, which I found very enlightening to get to feel how people are living in those countries. And I feel like probably you get that insight being a globetrotter too, because you're welcome to these countries and you get to meet people who, like your book says,

president's popes and all these people. You get to meet people who your decision makers for these countries, and like, really, I don't know, like you're really you really get a glimpse of how life works that not many people get. And y'all have seen that on such a big global level.

What have you learned from your experiences of knowing these cultures and knowing these people who run these these countries in these cities and getting to be with all these incredible people, but then be with everyday people as well, Like, what have you taken from all of that? Well? I learned, and you know I'm still traveling and still going. Um, I've learned. You know, when I got with the Globe Trials, I was coming from Hurricane Katrina. Um. I had just

lost everything in the hurricane and basically had nothing. And Um, the first trip I went on with the Globe Trials, wass to India with to China, India and you know, this third world country and there were it looked like Hurricane Katrina. What's happening every day over there? Um? And but they were the nice people. Uh. They smile, they

seemed happy, they appreciative of us being over there. And another thing I've learned from doing amazing race and traveling with the Globe Trotters is, um, the more the less fortunate, the poor people. Um, the people who you don't you know, quote unquote seem like have a lot going on, are the most gracious and the kindness and the nicest people

you know were during the race. Men, when we first did the major race, you can you can walk up to people and ask them to, hey, buy me a hamburger, give me two dollars for the you know, for the get this taxi and you know, you know men man flight. We used to do tricks in the airport to get money then take pictures and stuff, you know, to help us be able to get some food or something like that.

And the people who was driving the taxis are standing on the corner just on the subway, regular hard work and day to day people would offer us money and food morging. The people with the suits on driving the maserati's in the ferraris and the people who you know who technically you know, you're on the same level as and and that made me realize, like it's really true. Never drudge it book by its cover because you're walking like hey, like oh, I think they're they Oh he's

gonna help us, and you know he's here. She might shun this, but this person right here who might not be addressed as much to impress and shoes are not shining like that would be the one to say, hey, come on, let's go. I know where you I know we need to go. And we'll run next to or rickshaw all the way through India to help us get to the next thing. And the person who was dressed lavishly and it had all these things wouldn't even look

at us twice. So I've learned that, you know, and once you already knew, like everybody is a person, just nobody by by what you see, you know, way today show you who they are, and then you judge them, you know, just because anything in life, it doesn't matter where that person comes from, what they look like. You have that conversation with them, you interact with them, and after interaction, then you judge them. But other than that,

everybody is everybody. That love is love and just enjoyed yourself and I and I appreciate that as being a globe trying to to get to see those things coming from New Orleans, growing up in the projects and now I've been to over ninety countries. So it's awesome, it's amazing. It's a great experience. What about you, herb Well, for me, Um, what I learned is that the world is not as

bad as we thought it. Was from looking at television, and I remember my first couple of years of globe trotting, I would tell people, don't believe everything you see on television, you know, because once you go to another country, you get different perspectives. And also one of the things I also realized that, you know, growing up, I was a person who was impressed with people with their stature, what

they'd accomplished, and excited to meet. But one of the things that I've learned throughout the course of life and travel in eighteen years of course amazing racing, is that people are people, and we're all human. And so I learned to not get overly excited about people that I meet, because the people that I met at the end of the they are human just like me. You know, I met President Obama twice. I shook his hand and he

felt just like I did. You know, I saw him take a couple jump shots he missed, just like I missed sometimes, you know, I spun the ball when the President's I mean, on the Pope's finger. His hand was just as sweaty as mind was. He was human. You know, he had a mom and dad back in Argentina, just like you know, the President Obama had family that he

grew up with back in Hawaii. They're human, So talk to people like they're human and don't be you know, you know, over excited about people and the things that they have accomplished. Be excited about the things that they're doing, that they are doing to help the world. That is so true. And Nate, you brought up a good point that sometimes the people who have the least are the most joyful and the most helpful, and sometimes those who seemingly have the most materialistically are not as joyful and

as helpful. Why is that? Why is it when people have so little? Because I noticed that too on the Amazing Race when we went to Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka, everyone was so nice and and there was a lot of poverty and you know it's not a very wealthy country at all, but there's a lot of love. It felt like in that country. What is that like? Why do you think people who have so little are sometimes the happiest? I think it's because, um, what people value.

You know, what you consider rich? You know, what what what you could consider are you rich? And what you you wealthy? And what you know and like for example, like growing up in the projects in New Orleans. I wouldn't change any of that, except for you know, the violence and emerges. Of course, I didn't know. I wasn't I was poor, you know, I didn't. I didn't know

I didn't have anything. You know. I was fortunate to me and my brother was the only two kids, you know, in the project to have their mother and father living in the house. So we were happy, you know, we we were. We were exciting until we got to age so want different stuff and and and and try to get different things. So we realized, okay, we we are poor, but everybody around us was poor, so we didn't know. We felt like we were doing good. I think um

people value different things, just like in Sri Lanka. They you know, they they probably didn't value um money and material things. They value family, uh, relationship, friends, love, you know, and so to them. Now they're wealthy. You see it all the time. The people with the most money have the most problems, you know, the people who are so wealthy they're happy. And sometimes you know, boom, you got this big old house and all this money, but you're

sitting in that room alone. Who cares? Like you know, I'm from New Orleans. I grew up with this group of people who went through the stage with me when we were younger. Those are my friends still to this day. I can call, text or whatever with them to this day, and it's it's about, you know, those relationships and those friendships and being being wealthy. Wealth that's the wealth you need.

I think that's what some people look at. And also you can't and you're for nothing that you never had, you know, so you make the best out of the situation that you're in. So like, of course, like now I can be like, oh man, I don't have this anymore, that anymore, and then you're sad. But like, I'm happy because of the friendships. I'm happy because of everything I've done. I'm happy because of the role and the thing I'm building for my kids in the next generation, you know,

like like yeah, like it's cool. Like I used to always want to buy sneakers and stuff. Now I can get any sneaker out one and I refused to buy sneakers. I have to say I want a same pair of Vans or team issue Nikes all the time. And you can get me to not have my mom try to go stand in line for those New Jordans for two days when I was younger, But like I understand, like now, no, it's about my kids being happy, it's about my wife

being happy. It's about making others happy. It's about putting smiles on other people face, you know, like that, Like that's that's what's important to me. And that's what I think a lot of people figure out. You just gotta figure out what makes you rich inside, what makes you wealthy? What? What's what makes you a billionaire in your heart? And once you realize what that is, you're such a happier person and so many things don't matter and we all have to figure out what that is. You know, how

much is enough? You know what what you you know, get what you need to give to with uncomfortable and be okay with that, but you know, wake up every day and enjoy yourself. Just like right now with the pandemic, like you know, I haven't been able to travel as much, but I got to coach my son's tea ball team. That was I would get emotion now. I was so happy to be able to coach his tea ball team. Now it was controlled chaos, you know, but to be

able to coach his tea ball team. I felt so fulfilled and that was bigger than any truckload of gifts I can give him for Christmas, his birthday to be able to be on the sideline and coach his tea ball game. So I'm rich and I'm wealthy in in that aspect. That means more to me than you mean hours,

because that's something he's going to remember forever. So I think that's I think for me personally, I think that's what it is is what you considered, well, what what you happy about, what makes you rich and heart is that's why people without money are sometimes happening people with money. I totally agree. What do you think her? Well, yeah, I mean it's hard to follow what he just said.

I agree with everything that he just said. But it's funny that we that you mentioned about you talk about the things that we're rich in, because that's kind of what you know. This book that I just wrote in on September nine that came out, Cracking a Rich Code, Volume four, speaking and my chapter in the book. There's twenty other authors, but the authors there's Kevin Harrington, Jim Britt. There's twenty other authors, but my chapters titled the kindest

ridge to wealth. And it's not about how much money you have, you know, And every person that has written the chapter in that book has different variations of what riches. And it's never really about money, you know, It's about finding your purpose. It's about finding your reason to get up and get moving every single day, which I found post globetrot to career. You know, early on, for that first year, I didn't know what, you know, what to do.

You know, I was in a in a world wind in my mind trying to figure out how to put together all the pieces of the things I had accumulated over the course of that eighteen to twenty years. But once I figured it out, I found my purpose. Now, you know, I went from a person used to sleep to twelve o'clock in the afternoon who can't wait to get up to see the sunrise. So these are the shifts that happened, you know, along the course of your life. And now you know, I would, you know, make make

a good living. I'm rich in that. I'm rich in good health, you know, my kids are doing well, my family as well. So these are the things that I'm rich in, and these are the things that I value and when you're riching these things, the monetary things will come along. I love that. So how did you find

your purpose? Because I feel like a lot of people hit a spot like you did when you've had a very strong career, a very much of an identity career, like being a Harlem globe trotter is an identity career, like when when they when people meet you and they know your Harlem globe trotter, that's exciting. People are excited to talk about that. It's definitely a defining piece of who you are, but it's obviously not who you are.

So what do you do when you've been in this defining, defined career for so long and then you refined your purpose because you said it took you about a year, And like, how how did you find your purpose in that transition? Because I feel a lot of people get to that place and they don't know what to do or how to move to the next chapter. Well, A big part of a big part of it was reflecting. I mean, it was going back being grateful, being thankful

for the opportunity. You know, in the beginning, I was a little bit disappointed when it ended because I didn't know where to go, but immediately being able to reflect is like saying, oh, when I came in, I took somebody else position, What did they go through? I was lucky enough to hold that position for eighteen years, probably a few years longer than I should have. But once I left, it opened up the door for some on else to be able to come in and you know,

and sharing that opportunity. So I mean what I mean that that's a blessing. That's a way to not be selfish and realized that you do have a purpose. All the things that I learned along the course of that eighteen years are now things that I'm doing because I enjoyed them. I figured out the way to do it my way. They gave me the blueprint. Now I get to make that blueprint bread for me, and I get to make that blueprint print better for my family and

all those hosts to me. And once I take care of home, like Nate said, everything else will take care of itself and it brenches out like a treat. Yeah, that's so true. It's all perspective, it's all getting right in your mind. What did you guys? What was y'all secret to success on being such a dynamic duel on the Amazing Race, because a lot of people go on

the Amazing Race and they com completely self destruct. They each other apart, they hate each other, They're yelling at each other the whole time, and they can't get on the same page and work as a team. You guys were such a strong team, and y'all were such strong teammates. You were so good at respecting and working together and playing off of each other's strengths. How did you get to that mindset? Because I feel like that is so crucial in life to be able to operate in that

way instead of in the negative way. I think um our relationship UM was strong beforehand, Like you know what we had in college. He went to school in Louisiana, sitt Ary coach Billy Kennedy was his coach, UM. And when I went to you when little younger than her. So when I went a lot younger than her. So when I went to school, when I went to school at UM South Eastern Louisiana, I had the same head coach, Um,

and so I knew of her. I used to walk in his office and I would see a globtry to picture of her behind him in his office for two and a half years. And then when I and so when I got the opportunity to come a home and girl try to the first thing happened was HERB called me and he was like, yeah, you know I was coach Kennedy called me, So you're gonna join the team. And we build a relationship from there. Um natural, you know, and we was friends well alone before the race, you know,

four or five years. You know, her was the best man at my wedding. You know, so like we have a true like relationship, but beyond a friendship, like that's that's what's my best friend. So, um, it was easy for us to go on there. We already know how to disagree. We know, we disagree in the locker room. You know, we disagree on the court, We disagree on the bus. We did so we know, like at the end of the day, you gotta keep moving and and

it's love. You know, it was love. It was never you know, nothing he's saying during the race on you know, in front of millions of people, what's gonna be something he's trying to hurt. He's trying to help me, and vice versa. No matter what he said, no matter how I felt um well, even if we had to stick a pin in it and talk about it when we got back to the hotel when the camera was off.

But we and we know we was representing and kids look up to us too also, so we would and that's who we are, not you Like if you see you know you got flight timing being easy. But if you see Natan heard, you don't see the same thing we don't put on the show. Anybody who knows personally, they know who we are personally. Now you're gonna get the same thing no matter what. So it was easy for us to transition to do it on TV because

we just no matter what, you gotta be yourself. And I think people couldn't realize who's who's not authentic on the show. Like from from when I watched the show, I could tell when somebody putting on for the camera and and they had people around us who would do stuff to us, and then cameras that go off and be like, man, I hope your fans are not mad at me, or they will apologize to us on screen to just because you know they they they don't want the fans to be mad at it. And I don't

think we did that. We did everything for real, like I was representing my family. He was representing his family. You know, he was representing his mother. I was representing my mother. If I did anything crazy disrespectful to heart, my mother would slap me in my head. And his mother went too. So there's no way I was taking that chance of doing that crazy like that. Also, I think one of the things that they mentioned earlier about

uh like expectations and not. We never went into that race counting that money as if, oh, we have to win the million dollars and we when we in the million dollars, we're gonna do X, y and z. We went into the race to you know, enjoy ourselves, having a good time, and if that money, you know, comes, then it would have come. Of course, we would have loved, you know, to win the money. But that's not what

it's all about. Some of those teams going there thinking we have to win, we have to win, putting that added pressure on themselves, and once things don't start to go the right way, they start to think, we're about to lose the money. We're about to lose the money, and then they start to yell at the part and it just trickles down. So that's one of the first things you have to think realize you have to go

in and expect him to enjoy the experience. And when you get to a certain point of the race, you do click into like we are getting close to the money. But me and him, we never went into it saying that's our money. We gotta take it as whoever comes in, you know, first place at the at the last leg of the race, and we came close, but but still no cigar. But at the end of the day, if we'd have won the first time or the second time, we wouldn't have had an opportunity to do it a

third time. And I probably wouldn't have an opportunity to play for an additional eight years. And they's ugly face probably wouldn't still be running up. True, Um, you you brought You brought up a really great point, Nate and I would love to talk about this. You said, y'all know how to disagree, And I feel like that's a part of life. We're not all going to get along with each other. We're not all gonna see things from

the same perspective. There's a new different reasons why we all have have a different thought in our mind on how things should be. But learning how to disagree in a respectful way truly a talent that I feel like many people lack so and sometimes I even lack it. Like I find myself, I'm like, why did I just respond immaturely? Like I? Why am I not? Because? Like? Why am I? I I? Disagreeing and having conflict in a

more loving way? Because just because you're disagreeing doesn't mean you want the other person to be wrong or they're an idiot? Did you disagree? So? How do you guys disagree and how do you stay at a high energy level when you aren't seeing things out to eye? Um? I think for me, UM, when I was younger, my my mother and father they could not disagree correctly. Um. It was a lot of yelling and and a lot of words you shouldn't probably be saying to someone you love.

And and you know, I love both of my parents. My dad passed away right before we did the race the first time. And I've always said, you know, when I was As I get older, when my relationships, especially when I have kids, I'm not gonna be disagreeing and augentent fussing and fighting like that in front of my

kids are an ear shot. And I think in order to do that, you have to have uh, you gotta talk to your partner, your friend, you your related whoever you have a relationship friendship with and have an understand it all. Just talk about you know, with me and my wife. You know, my wife's a psychologe too, so um, you know you you you have conversation, you say, hey, like, this is what we want and in life, that's what

we want in this great relationship, friendship, marriage, whatever. And you said you have to talk about it because you're going to disagree. It's healthy to disagree. I think. I think there's no way you should everybody should agree on everything. No way. Like my dad used to always say, well, if your girl, if your girlfriend, UM, don't fight with you. That means you fight with somebody else, you know, so you need you need to leave her alone, you know

what I mean. She loves somebody else. So I think you have to disagree. You have to um have those things, but you have to talk about it. And when whenever you have a disagreement, and then was the way that you vote, don't like and you feel so bad about it? And he was yelling at each other whatever you was doing, that's okay, that's a lesson. That's a lesson. You said, you know what, I feel like this. I felt when you said this, and then he or she say whatever

they say in return. Then you said, you know what, We're not gonna fight. We're not gonna argue like that again. We're not gonna do this again. And I think for me and her, like we chilled, you know, like her, I never her never, you know, gets raised his voice to get too crazy, you know, a few situations, and I did a little bit coming from my background, would get a little rotting. And I think her helped call me down my first couple of years on the team with that um and I think it was just a

match made heaven with us. I think it was. And we him talk. We also talked before the race. Even though we never had a drag out for us out fight argument, we still say, listen, if this happened, that is how we're gonna handle it. And I think that's important. Even though we have never had an issue, we still

communicate about it. And now it happens, you know, okay, we agreed to not do it this way, and I think you do it in your house, you know, trying to have a blueprint of Okay, when things get tricky or this gets hard and we're in the heat at the moment, we're going to handle it like this. So we're gonna go and go with this mindset that's smart to prepare. Yeah, I mean, I love that that they said we we learned how to disagree, because I mean, what's what what's happening in the world. We we all

have to learn to to disagree. Everything doesn't have to go the way that we wanted to go. And that's when I mean, I talked about that in my book. When people when you're not doing what people think that you're supposed to be doing, you're an a hole. But when you're doing exactly what they want you to doing, Oh, you're the best you know, supposed to be doing they think you're supposed to be doing. You're the best person in the world. But everything doesn't have to go our way.

We have to be able to see things from other people's perspectives. And when you're able to actually see things from other people's perspectives, it gives you in a different view and a different outlook on things, like different experiences from the way people were raised. Like you know Nate's background, my background, they were similar, but they were different. You know, Nate came from the projects. He had his mom and his dad. I came up into projects. I had my mom.

My dad was in Texas, but we still had some of the similar experiences. My dad was still there. It's just, I mean, so many things in life that we have to learn to realize that we have to take other people's perspectives and things, and things aren't always as comfortable as they may seem to us or as uncomfortable. And I think those are some experiences that we got from the amazing race, as well as traveling around the world, being able to see different perspectives, being able to see India,

being able to see Sri Lanka. You know, I remember Nate's first year traveling to India and him saying as we're looking out, as we're looking out the window on the bus in India, he's just come from Hurricane Katrina and saying, man, I just came from Hurricane Katrina. And it's like this every day, like I'll never forget that.

That's one of the moments in my life. On the bus in India that I will never forget that he could be that humble right after that experience and realized how fortunately he was at the and you knowing at that time being one of the most unfortunate people in America having to escape from American katrain them. That is so true And Okay, that kind of leads me to

another question, why gratitude? Even in the worst situation, you're finding gratitude, And I feel like that is such a secret to happiness and everyone who's truly living a happy, fulfilled life I feel like has immense gratitude and enjoy and their gratitude basically it sees is able to see the good out of the bad situation. But sometimes situations are just bad and you're just in the middle of it being bad. But how do you get to where

you can see their gratitude? Because right now you're saying this to her, there is so much conflict in the world right now, there's so much separation intention and I for me, it really weighs on my heart because I just don't I want everyone to be able to come unicate sort of like we're talking about, and like, why

can't we all just talk? Why can't we all just see what what needs to happen for the good of the whole and work together and like, but there's so many other things at play, and there's just it's just such a big, messy world we live in. Why does it have to be bad? Like? Why do we have to go through these bad suffering periods? I feel like it's just a common theme in life, Like there's just suffering.

But then, like you're saying, you can see the gratitude in your life, like, wow, I went through her a go Kntrina, But here's this situation that feels like even maybe worse, Like why does all this exist? I know that's a really broad question, but like I just can't grab my head around it sometimes why we live in this world of so much pain and suffering? But then it feels like it's a part of it too. Did that make any sense? I just totally rambled on the circle.

Now I think it did. I think what what you're saying is and how I look at it is, Um, you know, you gotta crawl before you walk. You know, you you gotta in order to and the best thing about winning anything is the journey. You know. I know that sounds cliche, but yes, you know I yes, my dad got hurt. Um, but you know I was. Now I know how to take care of my family for the rest of my life because of those two years taking the responsibility to go and wash dishes and acting

and watch your house. Yes, Hurricane Katrina hit, Um, I lost everything. Um, but because of Herricane Katrina, the Globe Trials was doing at Churnity event in Houston for the victors of Hurricane Katrina. I was in Houston. I got to try with the team. If I wasn't in, I would never try out with the Glow Triers. If I it's Katrina didn't happen, So boom, that's a positive from that. You know, you know, so many things happened, like yes, this bad thing happened, but you gotta find out the

good thing. Yes to the pandemic. I can't travel for six months. Um, and it's and people are dying and all those bad things, which sucks so bad. Um, I'm home. I've never been home in twenty years. This is the first time I've been home for six months in twenty years. You know. If Glove Trials in college, so it's like, oh, like I get to read my my son's a bad time story. Every night I get to go have lunch with my wife. Um, I get to you know, go

and play some golf. You know, like you guys that you have to look at the good and everything because if not, like like Herb said, like like mentally, you know, you you you're gonna you're gonna be dowmbining yourself. It's gonna be tough. So you have to try to think like no matter what, something's good is gonna happen out or something bad, Like every in my life has been bad good well quote not bad, but unfortunate, something come

out of it. It gives you the lessons you need to appreciate everything you have and everything you went through to get those things. Like you know, I wouldn't appreciate where I live and all the stuff that I have if I didn't grow up how I grew up. You know, if if I grew up you know a different way for me personally then you know, having uh you know, like I was just the other day, I was sitting down and I was sitting with my sons in their playroom.

You know, um, their playroom. It's the size of the apartment I grew up in. You know, and I was just sitting there by myself, messing with um P J mask or something. You know, I was cleaning up and I was like, wow, like they have a playroom, Like that's that's awesome. You know. But if I wouldn't have went through what I went through, I wouldn't even appreciate that. If I grew up with a playroom, I wouldn't appreciate

that playroom. And you know, if I if I wouldn't have been through through this, if I wouldn't have been through Katrina, I wouldn't mentally, I wouldn't be prepared for the pandemic. I understand, like I lost everything, so if I lose everything again, like it's okay, I know that's

this material stuff. My family's here, you know, everybody's healthy, like and and I think it goes back to that, like everything is, yes, this bad stuff happening, you have to figure out and understand and taking the bad stuff, don't overlook it, don't act like it's not happening. That's the part of dealing talk about it. I think the most important thing with me is being able to talk

to someone about those things. Even when I said that on the bus about Um, Katrina and being in India, that was me getting that out talking to her about it. You know, like if something going on, but you you have to go speak to someone and and and talking to expert, going to a psychologist, psychiatrist. That's important when you're filling down when those bad things are happening. Like like like you said, it's just bad, it's just bad. It's just bad. But it's been bad. It's been bad for

somebody forty years ago, four hundred years ago. It's been worse for other people. You know, it's it's going to be bad. But what can we do to you know, come out like this The other day, UM, one of one of my person I met at a globe try to game and Denver. He's from New Orleans. UM, his son, his son has um diagnosed with autism. His oldest son, you know, five years old, six eleve years old. Now, you know, we used to be the center of attention, but now they had to dedicate so much to the kids,

you know, who had special needs. And I went over there and you know, they and I just you know, I spent this some tricks and everything socially. This is of course, and the mother she cried well when I was leaving, because she was happy that we was able

to do that for her son. And so even though all this bad stuff is going on, even though they're dealing with all these things with their other son, she's able to have a moment of yes, like, my son is happy, he's he's rich, he's wealthy in this moment. And where now like Nate came over, did this with him,

and that's what that makes me happy. I can't travel, I can't go and put on these shows, but I just did this one thing with this kid right now in his backyard, and I see the reaction has had to his mother, Like Okay, everything's gonna be all right. Everything's gonna be all right. Every little small thing is gonna equal to a big thing of everything's going to be all right. And you have to think that way. If not, you're gonna stay still, you're going to be miserable.

That's so true. You have to think that way. You're gonna stay still and be miserable. And I love that and I love hearing that perspective, and I think it's so important. What are some tips that you guys do to pull yourself out of funks? Like when you're starting to feel overwhelmed and like the world feels like it's going to hell in a handbag and there's all this

shit happening. I love what you said that you you you go back into your mind what you've overcome and how it went from overcoming to a blessing, overcoming to a blessing. But it's all about the mindset, and it's all about the way you move through those situations. What are some tricks and tips that you do when you are in the middle of the overcoming, when it's not good, when things are bad, when it feels like it's falling apart, what do you do in your mind? Like, how do

you get right in your mind? Well for me, for me, Caroline, I'll jump in on this. One of the things that I do is, and it may seem a little bit weird. I reflect back to when I was a kid, you know, when I'm like five six years old and there was not really anything that I had to worry about. I go back to that uh, creative space of mind where I used to dream, you know, and envision what the world would look like when I am, you know, at this point of my life. And if you know, they

talked about the pandemic. Through the pandemic, one of the things, a few of the things I started to do is meditate. I meditate every day now at least fifteen to thirty minutes. I walk, you know, when I'm not when i'm I walk every day. But that gives me time to clear my head and I turn off the TV. I give myself again five minutes of what's happening in the world, and then I cut it off and I start solving for the things that I can solve for right there, immediate,

you know, within my grass. So I mean, for me, those are some of the tricks. We have to be able to go back and reflect and clear head and remember when we didn't have so much to worry about. And we also have to remember the feeling that we have when we're not worried, and we have to realize that that feeling that we're having of anxiety, it's going to go away, you know, it's going to go away. For as painful as it may be in that moment,

it's eventually going to go away. So you have to change that that mindset, you know, in your mind as well. Those are a couple of tricks that I use meditation, reading, walking, exercising. Yes, yes, and I and I and I talked to people who make me laugh. I watch comedy. You know. I have a hunt in Arkansas. I try to contact her every day because I know that she's gonna bring me joy in some kind of you know, a way when I'm down.

So reach out to the people who bring you joy, you know, help the people who are you know, down, But at the same time, try to be around people who are like minded like you and searching for the same joy. And happens that you're that you're searching for love that do you have any tricks? Oh? Um? I think the similar you know, I think, um this whenever something happened that's bad, something going on and you down, Um, and it might be tough. Just remember when you got

through something else. You know that that's the main thing, Like if you know, okay, like you know, he's not gonna give you more than you can handle. So if you've been through this, you've been through that, you went through this stage to get to here, like not nothing is a pathway, no what, no matter if it's you know, relationship was deathinitely your family and financial stuff. You know,

everybody's been through something, no one has. Nobody has been perfect throughout So just go and dig into that and and talk to your friends, talk to your family, give yourself a break. And what we like to do with my family and my wife, we like to go go heights and I live in Colorado, so you know, we go up to Boulder. You know, we were walking the mountains with the kids, and you just break away from

from the technology and everything. You're just being yourself. And and for me, I like to, you know, sit and just talk to my wife and just say, hey, like this is going on, what you think about this? You know, how can you help me? Even though she's a child psychologist and she might think I'm a child so time too, so it's maybe be easy, might be easy for her to diagnose me too. So so I just lean on I lean on her and and and just and just

just and just trying to just be appreciative stuff. When things are going good, Like he said, when things are going good, you gotta be thankful, You gotta be appreciative. Find out how you can help somebody else in that moment, you know, and when things are going bad, you know, think back to when they're doing good and and and just realize that it's gonna come full circles ups and downs. You might be you know, might be at a downslope at that moment, but you know you're gonna go up.

You know you're gonna go up. So just always know you're gonna bounce back, and just just realize what's important to you, you know, like sometimes you can be down by something that that's not really that that important in the big picture, you know, and always put in perspective what makes you happy, Like I know right now, what makes me happy is being a around my kids, you know, talking to my daughters on the phone, you know, like hanging out. Like yesterday we just sat on the sofa

all day and did nothing. That was the best thing in the world. Like always trying to go and do something and have something planning. Sometimes you need to sit down and just like her say, take a break, meditated and rebook, you know, and you know, because you got it. Like so many people lean on us, and I know so many people lean on her, but I know from the years of being with her and as a friend, and so many former teammates lean on him for advice and things that he do, but he has to make

sure that he's healthy. He got to make sure that you know he's doing like like with the pandemic. My my wife said, like who's gonna be the therapy for the therapist? You know, like you know who's like the therapist helping everybody right now, But who's gonna who's gonna help them? So that's what you gotta look at. You gotta make sure you're taking care of yourself just to be unselfish and health care and help everyone, you know. So and how do you being influential people like you?

Both are y'all both are so um. So many people lean on you, guys, so many people look to you for their joy, for their guidance. How do you not take on the weight of the world. How do you not take on every every every story and every heartbreak that you hear? And how do how do you not take it on in a negative way? How do you hear all these things? See all these things um exists with all these different people who are going through different stuff and not carry that burden, Like how do you

make it a positive? Or I don't think that it's not that you that you carry their burden? I mean, it's there's so much going on. And also again I think it goes back to what can you solve within right there within your grasp, you know, it's you take a minute, you reflect on things, but you figure out a way that you know, whatever you're sad about doesn't happen to the people that you're close to, you know, and if you're taking care of them, then they're taking

care of their people. Again, it just branches out. But I mean, it's it's difficult. I don't think any of us or what's going on in the world, we have to put things in perspective, you know, because again, once you get captured into certain images or faces or parties that you see on television, these are things that can trigger things within your body that you didn't even know that could trigger you, you know, and why are you letting these things come into your home affect a relationship

with the people that you can actually solve for. So so again, it just all reflects back to, you know, taking care of what you can take care of at home, and then you know, in the community, and then branching out from there, because if you start at home again, like Nate says, hey, it expands to where you can't help. Yeah, yeah, I think like you said, when the burden of other people the question you asked like how you how you

handle it? Um? I think you you When they when somebody coming to speak to you and talk to you about an issue that they're having, you might be the first person that they ever had spoken a word about what is going on to them. So in like you have, you're helping them right there. Sometimes you know, you you got something big enough on your shoulders to where you

can take that. You can take that, You can take that, you can take that and you carry that because you know it's gonna help that person and the moment in the spot that they're in. In that moment, it's not the same spot you in. So you can take on that burden and talk to them and talk them through

that and carry that on. And now whenever you talk to them about you helped him with, you use that for the next situation, the bigger burden, you know, and you can pull back on that situation that that person been through and say, you know what, I had this friend who did this, this, that, and this is how they survived that situation and oh, you know, or you direct them to the proper channels, you know, like and and you you let them know like, hey, like I'm

not this and that I don't know everything. Maybe you should call this person to get this help. I don't think it's a burden when you when you take all other people's stuff. I do think you have to be ready and there, and then you have to be healthy yourself mentally healthy yourself. Like I said, make sure you know you don't take it. You know it don't become a bad thing. Make sure everything you do take on

is something you can handle. And you have somebody to go put your stuff on too, you know, because you can't just keep all your stuff inside when people are unloading on you. And I think it's a blessing to it's a blessing to be seen as the person who you can under that people can unload on and they trust you and and and they feel like you're positive and and you're gonna help them. I think that's a that's a honor, you know, I think that's an honor.

You take that as an honor, Like this person is hurt, they wanna I need to call Caroline to talk about this, Like, you don't take that as like oh man, here we go again. I gotta listen to this. You take this as you know what they believe in me. They trust me that you know, one of your friends might call you and study their husband or their wife to help

you help them. Like that's good. That means like, hey, like my parents, ready is the person to that people that trusted deepest darkens secrets with me and they want me to help them go to the light. Like that's not a bird, that's a blessing, you know. I think that's how you look at it. That's so true. And I think the key thing that you said for me is that I really registered with is that you have to make sure that you take care of yourself so

that you can be that person for someone else. Like I can't just take everybody's stuff in and then just let it consume me and live with it. I have to figure out how to hear it, be their support people, support people, but then also let it go in a way where it doesn't consume me and make me not effective to be a helpful person. Mhm. So that's that's a good piece of advice that I am gonna really internalized. Amy is doing a good job with you Nate, But

what does it like being married? Psychologist? Right now? Bring out Today's only a day. She's at the taking care of herself. You know, she's going what she's practicing, what she preaches. She she got just said he something. It's good. It's good. You guys both are very enlightened. Y'all are very wise, very um It's just a mix of probably your entire lives. You have seen so much and you have done so much, and on top of like just your life experiences, the mental work that you both have done.

You all are both so aware of cycles and mentality and mindset. It's really really a blessing for me to get to talk to you all. I mean, obviously I've loved you guys since the Amazing Race and I it will be fans in a doory offer life. But to be friends with you guys on this level and to hear how your mind works and how you guys maneuver this world and all the different situations that you both have been in, it's really inspiring. And I just I feel like y'all are such a blessing to this world

and I am so appreciate. I'm so lucky to know y'all, and I just find I find it so um amazing that you guys are using your lives and shining in the way that you are truly helping so many people just by being the lights that you are. And that's really awesome. Thank you. Appreciate you know, we we don't get to speak to you enough. I mean it all goes back to self self improvement. I mean we have to, uh, I mean for myself. Once I retired, I begin to

read more. You know, I just finished reading Purpose Driven Life. I'm listening to the Four Agreements. I'm halfway through The Alchemist, which I just got the other days. So it's just given me a different aspect and I just suffer and think. Man, I had all those times on the bus when I really didn't read, and so much time that I wasted, But I guess it wasn't wasting. I was taking in

and gathering things that they as they come. But now I get to actually reflect and figure out, you know now that I'm actually living because I'm living for others

and not for myself. I love that. So I have like a couple more questions and I'll wrap up because obviously you'll have other things to do when your life besides talk to me, although I've loved this conversation so much all day, what are What is a moment that has marked time in your life where when you think about it, it is one of just a perfect moment. It was a moment that just was perfect and it made you feel everything you wanted to feel. What was

that moment um? For me, it goes back to I think maybe my first ship with the Globe Triers losing Sacramento. Who was doing and make a wid the event with the Make a Witch Foundation at the Sacramento Kings Arena and um a kid. I walked up to him. His name was Michael, and me didn't say much, but me and him went by on the side by herself and we shot hoops. We shot hoops, we shot hoop, we shot hoops and at the end he said thank you

when he walked off. And then next day we was flying out and his mother walked up to me in the airport and she was like, uh, you know, that's my son and you know he been diagnosed with this and that was his first time saying a word in eight months. He hadn't he was he was for eight months. He hadn't say the word. And and it's crazy now I think he's like eighteen nineteen. We still keep in touch. He built his first computer at fourteen, and and met him.

We tax, we talked, and that moment right there let me know that, Um, it's it's bigger than anything you can do accomplished for yourself. Life is about what you're gonna do for others. And no matter what I do, that matter what I've done, and then and when I'm when I'm gone, Um, nothing else mattered, not the money, not the homes, at the cars, is the what is what I've done of people? So when I leave, I don't want them to say, man, he did this, he

made this, he did this. I want them to tell stories about the time that they spent with me, about the time that I changed their life, and that that right there with Michael um And and Sacramento is with me forever, because that when I realized how special the Globe Trials were and how how special you know, I am as a person to where all I did was got to pick up the ball and shot with this kid. And and he you know, he hadn't spoken a word.

And in eight months and now we text all the time, and he's building, and he's working out and all these things, and um that that was an awesome moment. And that's something that you know, I'll never forget and and and try to um recreate um naturally and organically. You know, any time I go anywhere and talk to anyone, I understand that they can walk away with a good experience, bad experience. And I want all this prayers to anybody have with me to always be good. And I think

that's what I want to leave when I leave. That's when I leave here. Like no matter what anytime Carolina think about when she talked to Natan flight time, she canna always smile and be like, you know what, I don't care what you say, what you think, you've been through, what you've seen. I know that there was They're good people and and and that's what's about that's my prayers. Man,

that's awesome, that's awesome. What about you? I'd probably say the birth of my kids and probably actually being there for the birth of my daughter. Just then the whole, the entire thing happened in realizing that I have bought a new life into the world, and my responsibilities were different and again. I mean it all goes back to, you know, dreaming as a kid of being a father someday, you know, some of the same advices I'm giving you know,

my son right now at this point. And you know, it's just really a blessing to be able to see them and know that you're living for a you know, for a different purpose. And you know, my purpose in the conversation that I have with them is all always to ask questions. You know, I'm not always right. Your mothers always, you know, not always right. You get to ask questions. I get to learn, you know, from your experiences. But at the end of the day, you know, putting

a life into this world is a great responsibility. And for me, that was the most memorable, i opening thing

that happened in my life. And I'm just excited that even in my forties, you know, I've had a great twenty years before, but I get to show that my kids becau I'm still dreaming and still creating into my forties, something that us older people tend to forget sometimes we tend to go back and try to live vicariously through our kids and telling what we used to be able to do, what we could do, but we actually need to show them what we're doing now, you know, take

responsibility for what we're doing now, and stop putting so much pressure on them to live, you know, to be what we were not because we still can't become what we want to be. Love that. I love that. You guys are amazing. Y'all are so amazing. I feel so thankful to have this bond with the offer ever from the amazing race that was truly such a special time of life and such a magical memory. Um. I wrap every podcast up with leave your Light? What do you mean?

Y'all dropped so much wisdom. But what I want people to know go ahead. I want people to know that kindness is free. Contness is free. It doesn't cost you a dime. I'm a kindness billionaire. I have more kindness in the world than anybody, I feel, and if we can all get on that level, we can all be kind as billionaires and realize that if we give kindness away with abundance, as we should, will never run out of it because there's plenty of it. It doesn't cost

you a dime. So give it away a random act of kindness today hash tag kindness is free. And let's make this world a better place because we all get to make it a better place. I love that. UM, that's awesome, that's real cool. UM. I just want everybody know that. UM. No matter what's going on now, it's going to get greater later. Um. Whatever you have going on in your life, don't make an excuse, you know, make a change, you know, try try to try to be better that. Don't just sit down and be still

and think like, Okay, it's over, you know. Try try to do something harder, work hard, be good. You know. Um, I'm on Instagram now, check me out on Instagram now trying to get him on Instagram forever. What's your handle? I started following you right away when her everybody follow What is your whatever? Buf of y'all's handles on Instagram? I forgot my actually forgot my mind? Is Nate men? I just got it a week ago. Uh let me tell you, Let me tell you real estate date or something.

I'll tell you. D A Trotter for the number four at d A Trotter. Nate has the longest Instagram handled anyone in the history of the world. It is at Nate dot Big Easy dot lofton l O F T O and underscore score. Really her, I mean a big one. That's a long one there like times is at Dad Trotter d A t R O T t E R four. Yeah, come tim Via Colorado. You need a house. Uh you know I'm a real intiant to training kids. I might start selling Dumbo to whatever y'all need. We can do it.

Come on, how let your board motivation speaking. You can hire me, or you can hire me and Nate together. You can get two for one. We're doing everything. Hey, Carolina gig shout out to amazing race season third two coming up right now. We have to show this love because if we're not, then we wouldn't be talking as well as the whole pro Globe Trotter. You know they're not right now, but I know they're getting ready to

try to crank things back up. And as soon as they get back uh you know, as soon as they get the okay, So we have to give a shout to the people who are part of the reason why we're here. That's right. Yeah, get your get your big easy jersey any other Globe trial jersey for Halloween. Um, you can't look this good, but you could come close. They can put some makeup on you and make you look like that. You'll scare a lot of You're starting a whole another thing. It's a different thing. Get the

people what they want this Caroline. You tell Bobby Bones though, Man, my wife, you know she's a big fan. As I said, she is a psychologist and on her drop to cool she worked ten hour ships for a week and her job to work. I'm sorry to the hospital. She always you know, that's what she says, shes she loved Bobby Bones. That gets happy and she gets too smile before she walk in and do what you do. So you make sure you weren't on the call because her is gonna be on the show with me. Yeah, I know he

was texting about that. Dude, hold on, we're talking to Bobby Bones now. I think that when I looked at when her for me the email for the link y'all missed the t in my name for the email. The email was on the wrong so I didn't get the email I saw in the one heard for me. But it's all good. I could get on there with him another time. Tell pick me up, happy white, happy life. I'll that's so true. I let him know that um, if he ever wants to talk to you, the most

famous globetrotters already you're right here. Hello, Hello, you got the best looking one ever? Well you know who that is. You got me on that. Oh you guys. I love y'all so much. I really feel blessed to have y'all as friends forever friends when we when you have a moment like amazing race that like makes you friends for a lifetime and fire you both. I respect you both, and I am grateful to know y'all and follow your journeys. And thank you so much for coming on my podcast

and dropping all of this wisdom. Oh my gosh, thanks for having if. We appreciate you know that. Shout out to you and your family and Poe Fall as well. Yea, thank you. Let's try to get a reunion one day. I'm not gonna say, like, let's do it, let's do it. We should. I'm with it, let's do it. I would love it. I'm okay, love you guys. You'll have a break today. EMM