Scout Sobel: The Emotional Entrepreneur

But what I love about you so much is you are a badass business woman crushing it and like making so much money and changing women's lives and doing all this stuff. But like you are fully invested in your emotions and like putting leading with that, and you don't try to just like be this corporate, bold business person. You're like all about your feelings and you have a

big journey. So I started working with you because you run a network called Scouts Agency, where you pretty much have kind of women who collaborate with you and you get them on podcasts, you get there, you get them branding, and you crush and like the guests that you have brought me have been some of my favorite interviews. Loved them. But you have had a long journey to get here,

so kind of talk to me about your half. Yeah, so before we start recurring, I was like, it's so good to see you in person, because collaborating with you has been the best over the last two years. And you know, you know firsthand that we don't talk corporate lingo in our emails. And sometimes when I get a new employee, UM, I will literally slack her and me like, can you add more warmth to that email? You know, just because I really believe in human connection and all

that we do. But where I started, so I suppose, you know, dreaming of all of this, running Scouts Agency, co hosting O Cases podcast, hosting Scout podcast, coming out with my book, The Emotional Entrepreneur is probably not the destination people thought that I would kind of end up A long time ago. When I was fourteen, I had my first suppressive episode and then I was formally diagnosed with bi polar disorder. At the age of twenty, I dropped out of what is a depressive episode? How do

you know when you're having? So I'm sure you know when you're having. For me, specifically, it looked like just a complete dip in mood that lasted a couple of months, I stopped taking care of myself. I stopped putting myself together for school. You know, I was freshman in high school. Um, I started utilizing all these things to try and control you know, uh, either not eating or been ing and purging.

I don't suffer from a needing disorder, but it was a way that I kind of attempted to have emotional control over what was happening to me. I was self harming, I was isolating, and I became very apparent to my loved ones and to my friends and family. So I knew pretty off the bat, and then my physical appearance reflected that in interchange. And then once news of the self harm and the restricting avinging came out, my parents put me in therapy and it was you know, let

me see, I'm terrible at math. But it was about six years until I was diagnosed officially after going to therapy, and I was really the only friend of mine in therapy, and I don't remember really receiving quite judgment around it. Yes, my friends made funny at times for being the more sensitive one, for being the one that's a little bit more emotional, and so it was always kind of known that I struggle a little bit. Internally, I was known

for taking ridiculous amounts of mental health days. I would just leave um my mom wrote me notes out, or sometimes I would just skip school constantly, just to feel alone and enter into my own little world. But I wasn't really until I got formally diagnosed, or I should say it wasn't really until I left for college that the symptoms became to a point where I couldn't just you could have just tracked me up to teenage hormones anymore. It was really something more that was happening in my brain.

And I started developing paranoia that men were following me home, they were in my car, under my bed. I was very quickly losing touch with reality, and I remember calling my dad crying from the balcony of my apartment at college, saying, you know, something's going on here, and him even thinking to himself, Okay, well, is this just her being sensitive to the fact that she left home, the fact that her you know, my parents had just gotten divorced, or

is something bigger happening to my daughter? And uh, something bigger was happening to me, which resulted in years of psychiatric medication. Different healing modalities. I unfortunately dropped out of college right when I was diagnosed. It was just, you know, I was this was ten years ago, nine years ago, and I think Instagram had just started. Pashtag self care wasn't a thing when they called, when they said I was my polar, I was like, my life's sucking over,

Like that's it. I'm crazy. I'm done for right. It feels so scary. It doesn't anymore. But like what you're saying, I had a bipolar roommate when I was in college, and I remember thinking like I had never met anyone who was bipolar, and I didn't understand what it meant. And living with her I did get to understand, and medication helped her a lot. But like it is, it is scary because like it wasn't so talked about before social Yeah, and so you know, I always say, my

husband's in recovery. He's ten years sober, and for for his specific mental health issue, which is addiction, there was a place for him to go. There was a rehab, and then you you go to detox, and then you go to rehab, and you go to sober living and then you have the rooms in the meeting. There was no structure for people who just struggled from mental illnesses on a general spectrum, and so I went through a period of my life where I was unfunctioning. I quit

every single job I started. I couldn't even be a hostess, I couldn't hold a minimum wage job, I quit the internships, everything. And it really wasn't until I started dating my now husband then boyfriend, who looked at me and said, you know, I don't care if you're depressed. If you're depressed and hopeful, I can be in this relationship. If you're depressed and hopeless, I can't be here. That's it was a big moment

for me. And it was the moment that I started taking my healing into my own hands, getting really really honest about my responsibility in the entire situation where I actually had control and where I did it, what narratives were holding me back, where depression was keeping me comfortable. And that was at the age of twenty one, and I've been on a pretty radical healing journey ever since.

And I'm sure we'll get into it, but finding onto prenewership was the thing that allowed me to be functioning in society when psychiatrist, therapists and doctors were having conversations with me and my parents and loved ones where we didn't know what I would amount to. Essentially like hard to grasp in your mind, to sit here and to know like you probably have just like two totally different worlds that you're living because when the but I don't

I don't know anything really about bipolar. So but when you're in the midst of what do you is it like an episode or so I'm type two, so Type one leans more towards mania, and I lead more towards towards depression. So I have hypomania, which I don't really talk about too much because quite honestly, it's really fun

and not really that dangerous for me. Um Yeah, it kind of just feels like I'm, you know, a little high on life for a little bit, and I have energy, and my steering wheel feels amazing when I'm driving, and it's great because it hasn't my hypomania never got to a point and hasn't gotten to a point where it's dangerous, right, It's just kind of a momentary, repped up viewpoint of life. Um So, my episodes are really when I just plummet

down really really quickly that after the hypermania. Hypermania is yeah, you know, my my cycles have changed over the years. They used to be people can rapid cycle, which means they can go in between feeling high and low very quickly within the day, within the hour, et cetera. Mine were more long, so I would go into depressive episodes for like three months at a time. It felt like every three months was kind of the way I faced And I mean, that's not true for my life today.

But I was not such a rapid cycler. I was more like a long term cycler. What you know, what provokes the cycle? You know, back then, when I had such long, outstanding cycles, there was a lot in me that I wasn't taking care of myself. So responsibility was a trigger for me significantly, like having to show up somewhere,

having to do something. Social events were triggers, traveling with triggers, basically anything that really had to do with me extending out of my comfort zone, putting myself out there and actually figuring out my life. So that's why I always say my bipolar disorder and depression kept me so comfortable and that I really became addicted to that state of

mind because I didn't have to do anything. I could cancel last minute and my friends would be like, oh, it's a mental health thing, like she's sick, right, or I could not take them minimum wage job and just

like live at my mom's house. It was a way for me to not look at my life in the eye and say, Okay, I'm here and I'm a human and this was the cards that I was dealt, and if I don't take radical responsibility over them, and if I don't stop saying, well, that's not fair because Sally down the street just went to college and got a job and it's fine, and I can't figure out why I can't get out of bed. I need to ditch that narrative today because it doesn't serve me. It doesn't

hurt Sally, it hurts me. And once I was able to really really just accept that this is what I have, this is what I was born with, and not only this is what I was born with, but that I was born with it for a very divine purpose and reason. I was not accidentally born with emotions that overflow into dark corners for no reason. And so once I stopped playing a passive bystanderd in my life. And once I assumed the responsibility for my disorder and my illness, I

didn't hand it off to my parents. I didn't hand it off to my psychiatrist or the medication or any of that. UM was when I started realizing that I am so much more in control than I ever thought. That the narrative that was given to me as someone with the mental illness was one of playing small and helpelessness and victimhood, and it's just not the narrative that

that got me anywhere. And so once I had that mindset shift within, it didn't mean that I didn't experience heavy depression, catatonia, psychosis, I hear voices in my head. It doesn't mean that I don't experience that or haven't after making that decision over my life. It's just that I'm willing to bear it in the pursuit of other things. That's amazing. And that's like a big deal with someone diagnoses title on this label and says this is what are this is what you probably will amount to? This

is it? I mean, that's like a huge, huge statement for someone to say that. And like, I know doctors, medical professionals as their job to like diagnose and stuff that. Like, I always struggle with people giving such definite answer to what someone is and what they based on circumstances that are being presented, because, like you, I believe that anyone can amount to anything if they are given their correct tools and find the right avenue, which what you said,

you and given their support. You figured out that entrepreneurship was a part of your healing. I mean the fact that you figured that out. That's not a doctor would never die and give you that as part of your cure. I mean that's what you went on a search and found it. Like and how how did how does being an entrepreneur and spcifically an emotional entrepreneur is your self titled book and you're in who you are? How how has that helped you in being bipolar? What has that

done for? So? Entrepreneurship just gave me a framework where my bipolar could play everything else my bipolar would flare up and take me down. You know. Working as a hostess, I could call my psychiatrist and take get a note to leave work earlier, not show up. I couldn't handle authority. There was just so many things that I didn't fit into the box. Seven. When I don't fit into the box of something or when something is out of alignment to this day, my depression will flare up so bad

that it'll it'll force me to course correct. So don't shut you down, like when you feel like overwhelmed and overburdened, and like when like authority, like you're saying it kind of shut you down. I'll make a distinction here. It's not when I feel overwhelmed or overburdened by things. It's when the things on my plate aren't things that light me up. Okay, Okay. So I get overwhelmed constantly with Scouts Agency, and I'm like, I'll take it all day long because this is my dream and this is an

alignment for me. So the moment I found entrepreneurship, at that point, I had garnered up some strength. I was working a part time job as a barista. I was like in one or two community college classes, just like dipping my toes in to see if I could start my life over. And I was sitting at a coffee shop with a good friend of mine and we were looking at a magazine and I just said, do you want to start a magazine? It just popped into my head and she said yes, and we were just going

to print that King Goes. It was gonna be an onto Craps Project eight, and we were gonna pass it out to our friends for free, and my brain switched. That night. I went home, I bought the domain the Instagram. I researched every printer in Orange County, where I was

living at the time. I had then set up all these meetings on every printer in a freaking fifty mile radius, and then I got a quote I needed ten thousand dollars, and then I did a Kickstarter and then you know, our third issue were distributed across the country and Bartons

and Noble Emails. Meet a belista who was trying to go to community college to distribute my third issue, which had Halsey on the cover, and it was crazy, it was And all of a sudden, I became the girl who couldn't hold a minimum wage job, but I was showing up and then some for my own thing. And so it showed me that entrepreneurship puts so much responsibility on my shoulders that I can't not show up because if I don't show up, there's no one else to tap.

In and so that much responsibility and me having the flexibilit reality and freedom to create the type of work I did, the speed at which I did the work, who I worked with, everything I could hand pick, just literally grooved with my mind. I mean by Polar's high highs low Lows Entrepreneurship High highs low Lows. I was like,

I can do this all day long. So it was in that moment and that experience running that magazine at the age of twenty three, that I realized that I got to do my own thing from from here on out. And it sounds like you kick into like high turbo gear. I do. I kick into high high turbo gear. And it's I really shamed myself for it a lot. That's a that's an asset. That's amazing. I think that. I mean now, I mean I've always seen as an asset.

But sometimes you know, I think, especially as women, I'm sure you can relate like you don't want to be too intense, you don't want to be too much, and so I've played that down to other people, but I think people who have seen me in the zone, it's it's a force, and I just don't stop. Tell me how you transition from the magazin to Scouts Agency. How you Scouts Agency? Because this is a very beach. I always say that word wrong, niche. I want to say niche,

but I think that's wrong. It's niche, right, I say niche because oh niche, Okay from French? You know, Okay, niche. It's a very niche market that you have. And tell me how I feel like you're just an ideas person. When you see something and it clicks in your brain and it all lines up, you're like yes, and then you're like, not only yes, let me just like freaking whip this together like a baller and make it awesome. Yes.

And I have done so many things that I've not even come to fruition because sometimes I just have an idea and I need to get the energy out, which is probably where the mania comes from. But I after starting that magazine, you know, the one thing I couldn't do, or I wasn't able to at that point in my life, was make it a viable business that financially made sense. So beyond the Kickstarter donation of ten thousand dollars, it was very difficult for me to see a situation where

this made money without bringing an outside investments, etcetera. And at that point, like I emotionally, maturity wise, what I wanted for my life, I just wasn't there. And so I did a bunch of other things and I started a podcast. I started Okay, so this podcast with my sister, and six months into Okay so this podcast, we would have all these amazing women come on our podcast, and we were like, how are we taking to the Nestor

Grimaldi in our hotel room right now? We're just two Jewish sisters from southern California who are somehow interviewing all these reality TV stars and our favorite entrepreneurs from our favorite brands. And so one I saw the power of the network that was coming into me and my sister's

orbit just like five month in. And to what really interested me was that when we would have a guest on our podcast, our community would follow our guests on Instagram by their product and roll in their courses, by the book, whatever it was. And I recognized that podcasting is the best form of pr period. And when I say, when I recount the story, this sounds a lot more organized. It was not this linear. I think I just like had a bunch of ship in my head and then

I went for it. Um And at the time, I was working for my mom, which is the next best thing to being my own boss, and I really wanted to get back to running my own thing, and so I had a media kit made up I wrote down in the beginning, I just started representing podcasters just because that was the space that I came from. I created myself spreadsheet of a thousand female podcasters and their emails. I emailed all a thousand and my Gmail got blocks. Yeah,

I'm sure people are like, who is this person? And you are incredible? This is amazing. Well, I wanted clients. I was like, I can't. I'm not you know, I shouldn't say delusional. It's really the wrong word. I believe that the it's a statistics game, like the more people I email, the more chances I have of creating a ten client roster in quitting my day job and being financially successful. So I just went at it and Google blocked me. My Gmail got you know, I was out

of my Gmail for twenty four hours. So I started another Gmail account to keep emailing, and pretty soon I recognized that our services, which we book high profile guests if you have a podcast our bread and Butter, and what we're known for is that we get women as guests on podcasts and run really high profile tours for people like Rebecca Mink golf Saddler of Jessica's Wide, uh, Kelly Baker, Vanessa rossetto. So that's been kind of tours.

What do you mean by tour? So we take women our clients and similar to if you were to write a book and go to ten cities and do a book tour, we do that, but we put them on a plethora of podcast So it's for the woman who really wants to get her brand and mission and voice out there through podcasting. So we'll organize a whole podcast tour for her where she well she'll go on out of podcast Yeah, okay, got it. That's really what we're known for. Um. And then we also do traditional pr

as well. Okay, so you email a thousand people with podcasts? Are they all women? Are they all women podcasters? Mhmm? Email? Was I in that list? And initially or was I in like another round because I was like stoked to get hooked up with it. I don't know, I have to look into that you don't have to look into it. Don't worry, I don't really need Okay, so you email all these podcasters and then what do you tell them?

Do you have clients yet to get on their podcasts or what are you saying once you get one on the hook. So the first client of mine with was Kathie Heller from Don't Keep Your Day Job, which is right out of the gate, a huge client. And for her, I was booking guests on her podcast and I was booking her as a guest on other podcasts. So that's your pitch. You're like, I will get you guests for your podcasts that are awesome, and I will also pitch you to go on other podcasts. Yes, having no idea

if I could do this. By the way, UM, I don't come from an agency, don't know, pr never done pitching before. But here we go. Let's balls and you got drive and hustle and a vision and that's all it takes. That's all it takes. I mean, people, I think tend to over complicate industries. Um. I think that there's just so much that you can learn just by trial and error, if you're willing to get into the trial and error on comfortable zone. Yes, and put yourself

out there and be rejected by guns. But then, but all you need is a few yes, is Yeah? All I need is a few yes? Is so? I think four months into starting I quit my day job. I was making more at the agency than it was at my day job. And six months in and I opened up the roster to representing not just podcasters, but female entrepreneurs, authors, brand up owners, et cetera. And hired my first employee six months in, and now here we are two and a half years later, with a team, including myself, of

five amazing women. Are you so proud of yourself? I am so proud of me. I'm I cry a lot out of pride. And why I don't hesitate to say it soone apologetically, it's because I don't think we do that enough with women. I I truly looked around at my life and I'm in total and complete, utter off. I am so grateful. I cannot believe I did this, and I have so many goals for the future, and I love living in both of those spaces at the same time being grateful for the now and the excitement. Yeah,

is that? And do you feel like that's been the best remedy and cure for dealing with bipolars. Just like the all this hope, you're doing exactly what your husband said. It's okay if you have most of depression as long as you have hope, and you always have hope. My hope turned into faith, turned into evidence that I could do things. I always have hope, and at this point in my life, I've just really accepted what I have

to do to take care of my mental illness. I feel I haven't said this because I don't know if I can go back on it. Of course you can, but I feel as if the identity of being bipolar is slowly leaving me. I don't know if that is so true today. You know, I experienced a catatonic episode the other day and I was having really bad anxiety, And what does that mean? So Canatonia is something that

people with bipolar very rarely experience. It's a symptom where if I'm too anxious or overwhelmed, or haven't slept enough for physically taking care of myself, my nervous system kind of fries out and I be um. My cognitive abilities really slow down. It's difficult for me to speak. Uh, sometimes I'll get paralyzed and I can't move, Like my

motor skills really slow down. So even with experiencing low grade catatonia last week, you know, I've really just adopted the narrative that right now I'm just human and then I'm just experiencing the human emotions because I honor and revere them so much, and I understand that every time I have an emotional reaction to something, it's a lesson, it's a mentor, it's a guiding sign, it's a warning

sign potentially. And I've developed such a secure relationship within my emotional experience that I'm no longer afraid of it. So that's huge. Yeah, one of the lessons in my book is all around feeling safe in your emotions, because once I realized that most of my suffering came from the fear of experiencing my emotions. Okay, so tell me that the fear of experience fear that they're gonna be so huge that they might like kill you or not like literally, but like that they might just like wipe

you out. Yeah. So whenever I was in a depressive episode, my mom would say, it always passes, it always passes and I would look at her and I would say, but it comes back. I was just so focused and scared about impending next episode that was going to hit me and take me out. Was it going to ruin

this internship that I was in? Was it going to ruin the trip to Paris I took with my family, which it did because I left a very fancy restaurant in complete tears and hyperventilating, Like my emotions ruined things for me. And I shouldn't say my emotions ruined things for me. I should say my reaction to my emotions

ruined things for me. And so once I got to a point where I felt so safe in them, because I looked at the evidence of my life and that they've never actually permanently taken me out, They've never actually destroyed my life. I'm still here standing as a survivor of my emotions, which means that I will continue to take them and experience them and survive them. I was

able to. I always say, like, you have anxiety, that's your base feeling right, and then you have anxiety about the anxiety you are suffering, like the pain is here, it's the anxiety, but the suffering is from the anxiety. About the anxiety, it's about the catastrophizing, it's about the resistance. I don't want to feel this right now? Why am I feeling this right now? Get this away from me.

That actually heightens. It heightens and heightens and heightens the emotion to the point where you get so stuck and it's so difficult to get out of it. So every time I experienced anxiety, let's say, I stop what I'm doing, I put my hand on my heart and I sometimes out loud, sometimes in my mind, depending on where I am, I'll say, I hear you, thank you for visiting me right now. So you now view it as a teacher and something to get aid and guide you. That's there

to protect you. Really, it's giving you signs, like you said, yeah, that either some things out of alignment, that I'm exiting my comfort zone. So it's trying to for text me and then I can say, I know you're really scared that I'm doing this thing, but I really got to

do this thing, so get on board. You know. I assess if the emotion is trying to hold me back from pursuing something, because it's making me grow and grows is uncomfortable, or if it's saying, yeah, this isn't the right choice for you, of course, correct, please, So it gives you the chance to really examine, which is a huge blessing before going into something a new venture or a new situation like you really your emotions really put you in check to examine if this is actually a

good thing for you. Yeah, incredibly you can view them this way. Yeah, I'll say, you know, whenever I talk to someone who's diagnosed with bipolar or depression or anything, I say, I just want you to know you're one of the lucky ones. Because I view myself as the

most lucky that I have bipolar disorder. I will never wake up at the age of seventy and asked where my life went, because the minute I do something that isn't a total body yes, my disorder, my mental illness, my emotions will flare up so significantly that they will knock me out and I will not be able to continue. So I have the most amazing internal compass, and I'm talking it'll knock me out in a matter of two weeks. I will know in two weeks if something is not

what I'm meant to be doing. And so in that way, I have decided to listen to them rather than to fight them, because they really really show me where to go. Doubt. This is like super profound and obviously I'm just listening to your story and all and like having thoughts. I don't know anything. I'm not medical in any sense. I

don't every want to like have anything like that. But like to me, it's almost like your bipolar is just you being so in tune spiritually connected to yourself from such a young age that that which is okay, No, I'm gonna say this a long I do not want to be disrespectful to any of this, because, like, mental illness is a real thing. I actually just got on antidepressence myself, Like I like believe in all of it

so much. But it's like yours is such a Yours is so loud, and you're you're that it has to have a disorder that people are afraid of because it's so intense. But really, when you listen to it and use it as your teacher, it is you are so in tune and you are so blessed to have this guidance that is so loud and so overwhelming that it will like shut you down if you're not living your life the way you should. That it's really a massive

blessing when used correctly, like you're using it. But it's so hard to navigate those feelings that I'm sure, I'm sure so many people don't know how to use it as a bless because it is probably has taken you years, it has decades years to figure this out and finding your passionate entrepreneurship and finding your way. I mean, it's hard for a lot of people to get to your place done so much work. But really, you're your diagnosis is just such a blessing to keep you in alignment.

And when you're in alignment, you're living the life you came here to live. So that's amazing. You hit it on the nail. I when you were talking, like, I kept interchanging bipolar with God while you were speaking to me, because I just think that the gifts that I've been given, you know, I was given this and then I chose

to see it as a gift. And in that choice that I made, which anyone can make at any time in their life, I was able to receive such guidance, such guidance that I really never feel alone or I never questioned if something's right or not for me because I know I'll be told or I know that the truth will feel it the surface. Yeah, you'll feel it in your entire being from so and every ounce of your makeup. If it's not the right choice, you be

lit mh. You are like a walking spiritual outlet. I mean, we all are spiritual beings, but like you were plugged in and now that you know that, I mean you literally that's it. I'm I mean, I'm I'm not I'm not jealous of your journey, but I am a little bit in all slash like positive jealousy of how in

tune you are. I mean, that is such a blessing to be that aligned with God, and I know it has a huge other side that you've had to like navigate, but like now that you're here, that is just I'm literally like speaking, I can't even I've never had I've never I've never had a conversation this in depth of someone who's had bipolar and then like seeing how you have turned this into the way the blessing that it is, It's just everything can be a blessing, and it is

a blessing. Everything is a blessing everything, Like I look at everything is you know, for example, take my book Lunch. I put so much resources into this time, energy, the most money I've ever put into anything, and like my attitude to show me what you've got, Like whatever happens that week is literally exactly what's supposed to happen. If I don't net positive financially, there's another blessing and gifts in this, in this whole experience if I don't hit

certain goals that I've like loosely made for myself. And I don't even really want to make goals because I can't possibly think that I can dream up the right scenario for me. With all of this, I do the work. I'm on the podcast, I wrote the book, I'm marketing it. I'm putting my life into it and putting my money into it, and I'm showing up energetically. The response that I received from the world is so out of my control, and I know that whatever response I get is the

exact response I'm supposed to and so like that. There's incredible. I love this scout. Thank you. There's a quote from a Course of Miracles which I haven't read, but someone told me this. They said that those who are certain of the outcome can afford to wait without worry. I think it's so bad. When I heard that, I was like, WHOA, what would I like again? So it's those who are certain of the outcome can afford to wait without worry because you know what you did had to be done.

Your spirit told you this is your calling, this is your passion, your brain and your creativity put to put together the concept you've built it. How did you know that this book had to be written? How did you know it was time to write the Emotional Entrepreneur? And tell me what this book is all about. My first career goal ever since I was I think seven, was to write a book and being author. So that's always

been my first career goal. And it's the only career goal that I've waited on, which I think is really interesting because usually when I want something, I jumped into it, and so I think there was something about me that understood that to write a book, you have to live a certain amount of experiences, or you have to spend a certain amount of time. You know, I'm time of nonfiction. Um, you have to come up with something that is so aligned and purposeful and valuable to you that you believe in.

And so writing a book has always been on my to do list, and not in a way of like I kept putting it off, in a way that I just knew in the moment would be right. I get that. And you didn't want to rush it, you weren't. You had to wait for the timing, right, And you're right. Yeah. And I went into it really in the pandemic, which is when I got the idea that it was time.

And I actually, to be honest, this is weird, but um the first week there was like this Instagram post that said, don't worry, you don't have to write the best selling novel at this time. You don't have to do this, and I was like, or I could like, or I could like, you know, don't don't shame me for wanting to do something during this time. And so I think that's really where the seed was with it.

And then I went to UM. I hired Rhea from Right Way to help me with the book proposal in the outline and just really thinking of the messaging, and like every first time author, I went to her saying I wanted to be vignettes of my life a memoir, and she said, no, one wants to read your memoir. Memoirs are for when you are kind of more at

the end of your career. And I said, okay, fine, So we really I started thinking about what my message really is here right now, and through the pandemic, I started really being open and vocal about my mental health because I recognized that a lot of people needed mental

health support during that time. And I also recognized that there were so many women around me who wanted to start businesses, etcetera, but couldn't follow through on their dreams because of fear, because of a fear of failure, because

of what risk feels like, anxiety, all these things. And I really recognize after being in business at that point for a year and a half of Scouts Agency, we hit six figure revenue in the first the second we were on track to overdub that um that the reason I was successful it was Scott's Agency wasn't because I knew how to manage clients, or because I knew how to do a piano, or because I knew even how

to price my services. It was because I emotionally was resilient through every single challenge and had been around the block when it comes to kind of getting hit in the face with depression and anxiety. And so I wrote The Emotional Entrepreneur. It's lessons. Each lesson is a different emotional mindset tool that will help female entrepreneurs really chase after their dreams, whether it's starting a YouTube channel, a podcast, an agency, a product based business, whatever it is. And

I to be honest, it poured out of me. I think I wrote it in like a month. I think I wrote a third of it in a weekend in Palm Springs. It poured out of me so significantly that I take credit for the book, But I also know something else was moving through me at the same time. And so it was. It was the easiest thing I've ever done. How did it feel? Once birth it? And once you had it all collected in these pages, It's

poured your soul into it. You received the inspiration, you opened up your channel, let it flow, you wrote it down. It had been your life, your life's work of gathering these lessons, of gathering these tips, of gathering these tools to help yourself. That now you were putting them in a structured place, in in a in a time capsule that can that will be saved forever and given to the world and women to help others. Like what does

that feel like? Because it's a lifetime of your work now and and just of your revelation and your life in this book. And that's probably why it was so easy too and divine, because you lived all this, like you of like this is like first hand hardcore. It's so interesting you say that. And I've been struggling with this a little bit because you know, we're recording this obviously before the lunch, and so I think my reaction will be different after the lunch, once it's in the

wild and in people's hands. But I'm notorious for celebrating small wins, big wins, medium wins. I celebrate everything in my life, and this one has been so exciting as like the the event and the lunch and all the fancy stuff around it, but the actual book, like thinking about the fact that I wrote it, that I'm an author, that I'm like holding it in my hands. Let's see that, let me see it. It looks good, it's hard. Yeah,

that's the back, Donny. Yeah, I'll send you a box. Um. I can't wait to get my hands on this and read it. It's everything in my life has been hard, Like running Scouts agency is hard. It's awesome, but it's hard. A podcast with my sister can be hard at times. This was just not hard at all, and so, which

is crazy because writing a book sounds hard. Yeah. So I don't even know how to celebrate it because I usually celebrate things that were difficult that I got through, and so this is like a really really big test. My next universal assignment right now is receiving. Can I just receive a celebration for the sake of something that was just my being? Like this book is just my being, and so I am proud of my life and where

I've gotten to. But when it comes to like this product, I've actually felt the least amount of pride compared to other things because it was so easy to write. If that makes sense, so much sense, which I should probably explore that in my journal a little bit more. I love that you said my next controversal, okay, so tell me what you are spreading comes to your connection divine because I love all of that. Yeah. So I was raised. I am Jewish. I was raised in a Jewish private

day schoolman. Whole life I did not know anybody. Nobody was in my phone that wasn't Jewish until I was eighteen, true story. Um. And so of course I grew up going to synagogue, high holidays, prying, we had today a classes, we read the Torah, etcetera. UM. But I think Judaism is an interesting religion in that it can be very

cultural versus religious. And so my family was much more on the cultural side and the tradition side, just keeping up the traditions and the holidays, and it's about family. And so a connection with God wasn't super what's the word encouraged to be developed, you know, it was just like a thing that we prayed to God. But I never questioned what that meant or if I even believed it to be honest. I was like, this is what my great grandma said, my great grandma all the way back,

and it's my role to carry on these traditions. And when my husband said that thing about hope, I didn't know where to turn. So I went to a depression anonymous support group which follows the twelve step program, and one of the first steps is to develop a relationship with the higher power of your understanding. And so I didn't even know what that looked like. I didn't know what it meant. I didn't know who God was for me.

I didn't even have a relationship with God, divine source energy, and so I just started praying to God and it opened the door. At the age of twenty one, and then I started getting into more spiritual practices like acupuncture and cutting and Ricky and reading Gabby Bernstein, and I suppose subscribing to the more kind of just generalized spirituality,

but it wasn't really until actually a year ago. I knew that I kind of belonged in a spiritual philosophy, but it wasn't until a year and a half a year ago that I developed such a strong relationship in God that it was almost like, should I tell everyone on Instagram that I believe in God now? Because it

was so great. And I remember going upon Spring West and staying at a hotel and there was these two women, one my age and her mom, and for some reason I felt like talking to them, and the mother looked at me and I told her about my bipolar disorder. She was reading a book about praying for your husband, and she was she's a Christian, and I just wanted to be around her because she believed in God, and I didn't know who else to be around. And she looked at me and she said, God will cure your

bipolar disorder. And I looked at her, and I think if someone had said that to me five years earlier and be like, you're nuts, um, But I let that be true. I said, what if that is true? Because human who said that you had it that you can't be cured? I mean, what right did they have to tell you what can happen? Yeah, So I started just relying and allowing God to support me. When I feel so overwhelmed by my my by my emotions, it's an immediate prayer time for me. Immediate I now so distinctly see.

You know, it's so hard for me to talk about sometimes I feel like I'm really articulate and everything except my spiritual practice, because really it's in your head, it's in your It seems like magic. It feels like magic, like if I put this out and pray and surrender, I receive. And when you start believing in a higher power around your life, it's like you don't see coincidences anymore. Things just really really connect within And so you know, I have a friend I joined her Bible study every

now and then. Like for me, it's just being in the presence of others who have a strong relationship to God. I find to be such an inspiring and strong energy to be in. I love that, And I love what you said about the connectedness, how things don't feel like coincidences. And I feel like I grew up Christian, but I had very open minded parents and mom top philosophy, so we were never like super locked into like it has to be this way and there's all these rules and

all that stuff. Because that really turns me off, and I feel like I hate all the like this is how life has to be fire and brimstone. You don't

do this, you're going to hell. Because I'm like it's the same way that I feel like diagnosing people are giving someone a title like yes, you can do all these things, but like anyone is capable to do anything that they that they want, and like these are just people coming up with their interpretation of religion based on what's been passed down to them or you know, and like I just think that, like like you're talking about, it is such a once you actually feel God in

you and like figure out how to feel him on your own and you're not just like following the religious protocol that you've been taught. It's a game changer because it really and not I went on a spiritual quest. My whole life have been quest, but like really started diving into it and my like late twenty thirties and now like just like it's so and the same thing

I got into Abraham Hicks and Gabby Burns. Like I was like watching Oprah, Super Sol Sundays all the time, and I was just like any place I could go to gather spiritual information, I would just go on this quest because it's so wide open and it feels so overwhelming in the beginning, but then you start to actually the connectingness of everyone and how it is magical and if you can stay in that positive headspace that there's this higher force working for you, it really like it's

it's everything is magic. And like there was a there's a few years of my life where I was like hardcore into it and manifesting so positive. I mean, I have let life beat me down some and now I feel like I go through dips and ways and sometimes like I know I got to get back to that like awesome pure place of like believing and everything. But

it's it's hard to stay there all the time. You have to have practices rituals yourself there because life can take you back down just to the day to day grund. But like, it is such a difference between like feeling God and spirituality and just like knowing what you've been taught. Yeah, when you feel God, it's a different experience, and for me it's been I had such a spiritual awakening that I was kind of like in the Airy Ferry University, like really not grounded zone, which is a cool place

to be. It's a cool place to be, and it can get a little like crippy and a little a little destabilizing, a little oh what's happening? And I realized that you know, as much as that exists, and that's fun to be in, and it's fun to be in the metaphysical and the miracles and all of that stuff.

I also recognize that I'm a human being and my soul was put here on earth for a reason, and so for me to not live here in the physical world, for me to not be grounded and my human experience not just my spiritual experience would be a shame for

this lifetime. And so whenever I get a little too spiritual, I really go back down to my soul and remind myself that I stull decided to be here on earth for a reason, and so I need to look around at the earth surroundings, that my three D surroundings, my physical surroundings, and be you know, taking care of my body. Just it helps me ground a little bit when things can get a little crazy expansive, if that makes sense.

That makes perfect sense, and I totally understand. I think that you put into words maybe what happened to me and like because like they're like like I'm telling you, they're was like two years where I feel like I was snapping my fingers, magic was happening and I was so in tune to God and like I was so light positive and like floating and everything was just in a cloud. But it was like it's important. I enjoyed having that season because it's so nice connect that intensely

to your spiritual side and like float in that. But then life does we are here, like you said, I love the way you put that, and then it's like finding that balance of like staying connected and being grounded. Yeah. Alyssa Romeo, I think that's her name. I wrote the book Me Meet Your Soul, and she said that sometimes spiritual people live in spirit too much and they don't remember that they have a soul here, and so I

always try to be a soul with spiritual guidance. I think it's like the way I view it, like I'm here and I have the wisdom of everything up here to help me in this experience. But you're turning into a real life do room. Um? I mean you really are. You're really like you're really like covering some round herself, like you've got a lot to offer the world. Thank you, I really I really appreciate it. I I this interview has really allowed me to see that in a short

period of time. So I thank you for that gift, specifically because you I think acknowledged and seeing things that I've thought about, but hearing somebody else put it into words and reflecting back my experience is very validating. So happy. That makes me feel so validated that I can help you see that because I'm always so inspired and you'll probably feel this way about your podcast. You have a

lot of incredible women I am. I started my podcast four years ago because I I've never I'm not I'm not like really depressed, but I have always struggled with antecurity and like a bouts of I don't even know if depressure this the word, but like just like I get overwhelmed with hadness and feeling and hope of feelings and hopelessness, and like I was never like anything hardcore, but like moments of just being like rocked to the core by my feelings lost, I feel of the world.

I get overwhelmed by suffering the world I get. I just like my feelings completely overwhelmed me, but I can still function through them, and it's not like debilitating her, but it is in my mind at the point. So I always just felt like other people had everything more figured out and that everyone was better and more special, because I was always like I'm a hot mess. If anyone actually gets to know me all the way, they're

going to realize I'm a total imposter. And then I don't have anything figured out in my head and I'm a total ship show, and like everything's just like an emotional emotional mess out here for me. But like I could like put it together and present it in a way that looks like I was cool had you know, like hey, but really I just was like be so insecure.

And so I kind of started this podcast because I knew a lot of people and I had been in the entertainment and I had tons of connections to interest people. And I was like, I'm just and I was at a very low point in my life in my career life. My music career had just fallen apart, and I felt

like I was just this loser on the planet. And I was like, okay, I'm just had a friends start a podcast, you know, all these incredible people to start a podcast, and I just went full force and I realized and I got like my first interview was Darius Rucker, he lead singer of Fooding in the Bluefish now his huge country star, And like I had all all these people. I just like kind of like how you started? Like I was able to like access all these incredible people,

and I'm like, how is this happening? Like don't they know that I'm a total fraud and that this is like a total I don't know what I'm doing and I'm like scrambling on a hamster wheel and like I have no idea how to even I'm not qualified, like all this stuff. My my my critic was just like screaming at me. But then like I got to know people that I put on pedestals and story everyone felt

like it's everyone has felt like a total loser. Everyone has had bouts of moments where they are so lost that they feel and some people have had intense trauma and like tons of abuse, like mentally, physically, sexually, all

of it. Like some people have overcome so much and the light like yourself, like overcoming what you've overcome, is like the stories that they have and the life that they have that they're living in spite of what was pulling them down now is a huge blessing in their life and it's a part of who they are and there's it's turned their life into something spectacular because of what felt earth shattering at the time. And that has

just freed me so much. And so getting to talk to women like you who have done that, who have had something that felt so crippling and debilitating for you, but you have witched it around and found your purpose with it, and now you use it to your highest good and it is like blessing the world that to me is everything and it gives me so much hope for life because I feel like everyone has ability to

do that. It does take a lot of work and a lot of pain to go through, but but if you do it, then you get to the other side, like you, And how what if you wouldn't have gone through all the work to get here, you wouldn't be living this life that you're obsessed with now. And yes, you still have moments where you have to deal with things, but like you appreciate them now in a different way

and you're not scared of scared of your emotions. But like, if you hadn't gone through everything you went and got to the other side, you wouldn't be living this life of magic that you're living. And what a shame would

that have been to miss this? I write basically that exact sentiment in my book because I think that a lot of us are afraid to move through that discomfort, through that imposter syndrome, throughs insecurities towards healing and it chapter in my book I talked about fear, and I asked the question, what has fear already robbed you from in your own life, Like all of this wouldn't be you know, you, your podcast wouldn't be here if you decided to say yes to fear and insecurity and playing small,

and all of these conversations that you've had with people wouldn't exist, not only for yourself, but for the thousands of people listened. Like, imagine the ripple of fact from the decision that you made to act despite of your insecurities. And I think I think about that now because when I started it, it was just me and my own little bubble trying to do something that I felt like my heart wanted to do, but not feeling like I was qualified. And now, like, I know how I have

been so blessed by these stories. But now I view it exactly what you're saying, Like, I now know I have an outlet that really blesses others and it's not about me and my insecurities and moving through that and having it having the validation for myself. It's like, Okay, this is actually something that is helpful, you know, And I have the ability to give gifts that to the world because it's a gift that I have, like you have these gifts, and like, once you can see it

in that way. It's so powerful and like the fear has actually gone now because I know, like this conversation that we're having is going to be so powerful for so many people because what you have walked through. The

women especially need to hear this. No. Yeah, it's sometimes I get caught up ensure you can relate in podcast interviews because it's just the two of us right now, right it feels so intimate, like no one's ever going to listen to this thing, and there's no way for us to ever value the impact that this conversation will have on the world. You know, I was thinking Scouts Agency. In the last two and a half years, we've looked over six hundred podcast episodes, meaning we facilitated women telling

over six hundred impactful stories. Imagining the ripple effect of that is huge, which is why I love the podcasting medium, because it's just it takes this intimacy, it takes our lives, it takes our insecurities or challenges or success says our pride, and it just amplifies it to a large audience of people who can relate to it. And the other thing I was like thinking, like, in what world can I just listen to Matthew McConaughey talked to Dak Shepherd, like

what world other than this one? That is so true? And you know what, I think part of the bed of podcasts is like this does it is just you and now this is a private conversation for you and me right now. If we never hit then to the you never put it out there, no one would ever hear this. But so we are having a very personal conversation. But because it's a podcast, there's a reason to have this conversation. There's a point to it, and then we

share it with the world. But I think the intimation of it being in a private space where it's just you and me, it allows us to actually feel like it's just as so we have a real conversation. Yeah, I I forgot until we started talking about the impact. I always forget, Like I always forget every podcast. I'm like, oh, right, that goes out and you know, for better for worse, Like who knows what I'm talking about with my sister

on Okay SAT talking about circumcision. Oh god, It's like I always tell my sister, you know, I I don't know podcast episode with her five minutes we talked about uncircumcised penis penises, and then forty five minutes we talk about how, you know, people in their twenties field this immense pressure to be something and how we need to be gentle on ourselves. And I'm like feeling all this ship and what is my sister put on TikTok? Not me in my element? No, no, no, but me talking

about the uncircumcised penises. So you know, you, Betta, you gotta keep it well rounded, for better or for worse, truly, Oh scout, Okay, So tell me what your desire is book, not like sales or anything like that, not like not like not like marks on a four card for like what it's gonna do? You know what I'm talking about? Like,

what is your goal for this book? Spiritually soulful? My goal is that the book helps women feel safe in their emotions so that they can do that exact thing that you did, which was pushed through despite fear, insecurities and imposter syndrome. It's really I hope a dose of emotional courage for everybody, and I think just an equalizer and that we all experience these emotional roadblocks in our lives.

I want the book to create a new narrative that if we develop a beautiful relationship with our emotions, and if we allow ourselves to feel safe within them, we can create the life that we want. All of those things that we see that we didn't do this year that we wanted to is because our emotions held us back. And so instead of allowing our emotions to hold us back,

actually viewing them differently and propelling them forward. So I suppose my biggest thing is that I want to inspire action within women to take control over their lives or to finally do the thing want or to at least feel safe in taking risks and getting out of their

comfort zone. Bigger, kind of more tangible goals would be to create a community of women who are interested in this exact, exact, very specific thing, which is emotional strength, emotional intelligence within entrepreneurship or building a you know, a purposeful or dream life, etcetera. So to create some sort of a hub, whether it's like really honestly like, I have so many ideas, right, I want to create an emotional entrepreneur academy for women to walk through these lessons

with me. I want to create masterminds conferences, whatever, and like, I know what the women who read my book, they will tell me what to do next, They will tell me what they need next. And so for me, it's just being it's just being okay or accepting the assignment, which is whatever the community needs is where I will take this next, where I will take this movement next.

But yeah, it's so freeing because I don't need to be in control of this, Like this isn't about me, it's I've been chosen to maybe write the lessons and get it out there and do all the masculine doing, doing, being, being, creating, and then whatever the universe needs from these messaging is what I will show up to do. Oh I love that so much. I love that. I feel like I

try to live that way. I've never put that in words, but like, but like I feel and I feel like I'm always a hot mess express so like I'm always like but like in my gut and heart, that's how I feel like I want to live too, because, like you said, with this book, you can write all these goals of what you want to happen. Like I wanted to be a best seller, I wanted to be on Oprah supersool Sunday. I wanted to be whatever, but like you don't know, there's no way you can know where

this book is going to go. It could go anywhere, and so all you can do is answer the call that's been put on your heart and that your community is asking. That's amazing, and then you give it up and let the universe in the force take it. You know, I've been in my masculine for so long, that's yeah, like okay to write that down, like doing creating action steps like DODA and more and more and more and more and more and more, and the masculine interview that

makes sense. And so I have never really superban in my feminine when it comes to business, and I don't think I can be quite in my feminine with my agency. But my book has a different energy to it. And so you know, I'm as we're recording this a week and half away from book launch, technically this should be a very stressful time in my life. And I've decided to end work early every single day for the next week and a half because I am going to enjoy

this through the ends. Degree I have done what I can and right now I am just going to sit back, and receive. I was actually thinking this kind of sounds weird. I am to this out loud. I was thinking about doing like a into ceremony with myself where I just surrender the outcome of this book launch to God and I almost like, I almost like seduce life to being even more expansive for me through this experience. Okay, how are you going to do the ceremony? I want to learn?

I don't know, because I don't know who does this. I was thinking of like putting on really feminine music. I think, like using my body and dancing and writing a letter and maybe doing some prayer. You know, it could be a five minute thing, but just to really get in touch with my femininity and my ability to receive and my trust in all of this. I don't know if that sounds ridiculously rubal, but it came through for me. I love that. Yeah, I love that. Yes,

I'm gonna remember that. I'll tell you what I end up doing. I mean yeah, and maybe like that becomes one of your next things that you share. What would you tell your fourteen year old self at night I just had the first bout with depression. Your nightself, you got diagnosed. People ask me this question, and I maybe I take it too literally. I probably wouldn't tell them anything like just keep walking into the fire, girl, you'll get burned enough. You still need to get burned, you

still you need more. That wasn't enough, Clearly, keep going for another few years. Literally if that's where if I was time traveling to them, that's what I would say metaphorically for the lessons, I would say that you're going to be really proud of yourself one day. That's all I could say. What do you want to tell someone who feels like you can because you are. You're in it right now, and if you say you can't, you're lying because you just said you can't, which means you're

in it, which means that you're surviving. And if you're still listening to this, you're still surviving. And in five more seconds, you will still survive. And so the idea that you can't walk through the fire is a limiting belief. You just haven't accepted that through the fire is your purpose and beauty and wisdom. And so once you accept that, you will walk through a lot faster. But the idea that you can't is false because you are what's the

first step who at that break? Breaking points are so hard and so individualized and custom for every single person. I really would just say to infuse hope. I wouldn't tell them to do anything differently. If you're listening, Like if you're in a really bad depressive episode or in a really low phase in your life and you've become addicted and used to those low feelings, if you try to do something about it, sometimes it threatens the depression. And so I'm not here to threaten your comfort zone.

We're not here to do that. We're here to add in, we're not here to take away. So what would your life look like if right now you decided to add in hope? That's it to start there. See, we're adding in that type of an emotion and feeling into that process. How it changes things within small it's a small step, totally doable for any the little hope. Where can you

add in hope? Yeah? Because I think if you told me when I was at my debts, like Okay, we're going to have a two hour morning routine, and we're going to eat right, and we're going to gratitude and we're going to do all these things. I think I beat you overwhelmed because it's you're threatening the foundation, You're threatening my life, You're threatening my habits too much. It's too much, it's too much of a shock to the system. So don't don't change anything, don't take anything away, just

add in hope. That's amazing. Yeah, I have thoroughly loved this conversation with you so much. I'm so happy to get to chat with you. I mean, like we said, we've been a communication now for years, and you've brought me so many amazing guests. Every time I get an email from you or one of your amazing women that work with you, I'm always like WHOA. And I always loved to interview all the women that you present to me.

It's been a true blessing. So thank you for bringing me into your realm, and thank you for this conversation and sharing your heart and your vulnerability and your gifts and how you have just used your life in a spectacular way. And I always end would leave your life super opening. The question, but what do you that they're safe in their emotions? Your book comes out next week?

What's the exact day? The book comes out on August the Monday, So you can get it on Amazon, Emotional the Emotional Entrepreneurs Scouts sobel um or you can follow me on Instagram at Scott Sobel. I will have the link to purchase in my bio and i'll get you the link for the show notes all the things. How incredible, Scout. You're such an inspiration. Your story is so inspiring, and not only has it inspired me, but I know everyone expired,

everyone that you can uch. Thank you for sharing and being vulnerable, because, like we've said in this it's hard care like this, But now that you have gotten to the other side, you're blessing so many with your story. So thank you sharing. And I cannot wait to get your book and just to read these hips and techniques that you have assessed throughout your life and put them in written form. What a beautiful pleasure. Thank you. Yeah,

it's it's wild. It's it's exciting and wild and definitely a vulnerability hangover for sure, I know, but you know what I shouldn't. That's what life, that's what we're here for. Their only here for the vulnerable. I mean that's right. Well, I appreciate you coming on and I'm just so excited for you. Thank you I'm so excited. All Right, okay by scout by, talk to you soon.