Mid-Week Mom Chat: Catherine Powers.

could be because our brains cannot be more opposite. It's so true. But I am such a better human for loving you, and I am such a better human for loving you because I was sitting there. Oh, this is what I was reading in Gay Gaddis. So everyone needs to check out Gay Gaddis's book. Um, oh gosh, a Cowgirls A Guide to Kicking Us. I forgot what it's called, gay gaddas dot com gay gadas dot com. She had on her new letter that I'm a part of the you know what, I need to just read it because

I will mess it up. Okay, I'm gonna read this because I thought of you. Sister, I thought of, here's what it says talking about right now in the lockdown, she said something about the sorry everyone, I don't want to mess this up. She said, the the ones who can hold their composure. I'm not finding it. Who can hold their composure in the middle of all of this are the leaders of tomorrow and I and I really thought that I can't find it, and I'm really sad

about it because it was a really good, um little thing. Anyway, check her out gay guyas dot com. But she's basically saying, the people who can stay positive and like find silver lining and keep their head above water in the these kinds of times are the leaders up tomorrow. And I thought to myself, that is your sister, Like that is you,

and that is totally how you have always been. And you even like recently our grandfather is had had a hip surgery and he's you know, it's been hard to navigate what to do, especially in coronavirus, but you have just stepped up. You find a plan, you find a solution. You don't get lost in your feelings so much that you feel stuff, but you don't just swim in the feelings. You're like, Okay, what's our plan, what's our action? How

do we do this? And then not only do you think that way, you actually do it and you do all the action stuffs and make it happen, like you have like a full plan with like you've already called like four different assistant livings and all sorts of stuff, and like you talk to my aunt, my mom, everyone, and all of a sudden there's like this perfect plan in place. I'm like, are you a wizard? No? I think the older, the older I've gotten the world is

so daunting. I've really made a conscious decision to focus on what I can control. I'm really let go of Sorry I don't have Corona Corona Texas allergies. I made a conscious decision to focus on what I can control and let go of what I can't. And it's allowed me to live in freedom and not in fear. Because when you're trying to I'm a type one type of personality, and so when you're trying to make sense of everything,

it's daunting. If everything that crosses your path through giving feelings to you're trying to control, you're trying to fix not that not And I felt compelled to try to do everything and I've acknowledged now that everybody is so gifted and unique, and to focus on the best thing about everybody and then focus on what I can control and let go of what I can and it's freed me. It's change my life. It has because I was, I was in bondage to expectations, and you know the way

my brain is wired. I now know. I have thoughts on how like for you, for instance, I've seen you in this light. I mean, you're living your best life. And I've seen you in this light always, even when you weren't here, and it's a weird thing. And now I realize it's something. It's a gift if you use it as a gift, or it's a burden if you let it drag you down. And that's such a good point. I want to live in the light. I want to enjoy people. I mean, the world, despite the craziness, is

such an interesting, wonderful place. And I feel like right now we see that because we're blessed beyond measure by incredible people. And you intentionally get to keep up with these incredible people. So how did we start on this? I don't know. I feel like I cut you off in the first question, did I bin? So that's how we were talking about our different brains. Do you have the high high fields and the low low fields? And I will say, you've really helped our family be want

be real with our feelings. You know, I feel like we're tough and we can. You know, we were raised. You wrote that song about I come from a long line and women that never gave up? Did I have all these songs about three people? Know? And so I feel like we're so tough and we were you know. I love our endurance. But I feel like you've really helped us, or helped me feel and connect and be

true and honest and say what we feel like. I really have gotten to a point because of you, your therapy and all the vicariously she makes me feel good because I always feel like a hot mess. No, all of the working on yourself has helped me work on myself, Like I truly feel like I can be honestly myself and you've helped me come that way because I didn't even know what I was feeling for a minute. But you've always been good at reading self help and journaling

and taking note of your big deal. I saw Obrah the week before, Corona went down, held hands and hugged. But what did her hand feel like? I asked you, she's calm, just I mean grounding. She's so she's grounded. How do you think people that know who they are and what they're going going for? Or stable? Your rudder is firm and stable and you're not. I was reading a devotional this morning, and when your rudder is stable, the winds don't. You don't spin in circles like you're

you're straight and you're on a path. And I think if you don't even necessarily have to know where you're going, but if you know generally what you're going for, I feel like it just helps you make make stay calmer during the thrashing. What are you going for? I'm going I really want to be present in every moment, Like as a mom. Now, that's what I'm I. I live by to do list. I'm Type A and so I always have it to do list every day I wake up, What am I going to do today? What am I

going to do this week? I mean nauseating to a brain like you or but it's also really like the list now, I like to listen. I like a type A sister who wants to get everything. Okay, I'm just gonna ride the wave behind you. And I have, I think, uh, a knee to control, to compensate for the the like the ego or the insecurity of that type a wanting to be in charge. But for what is the ego

or the insecurity? What's the flip side of it? Well, is seeing the beauty of everybody's individuality, not trying to control the situation, but showing up and letting people be who they are and seeing them for what they have to offer. So you have to flip your brain, yes, because I used to view people as, oh, here's this person and for whatever reason, not that I know better, but I felt like, how can I help them? What

can I do for them? Oh, let me do your laundry and make your food, or help you get a job, or edit your resume, or cook you meals or drive you to your doctor's appointment and figure out your whole life like you did from me, which I appreciated. You had to find your own way, like ultimately, for to

have joy, you have to figure it out yourself. And so now my goal is to walk alongside people like be your partner always be there for you as much as you can, but to let everyone's on their own path and you don't know what that is the only for me, I think the way you can show up for people is just acknowledging that loving them, being there for them, but not having an expectation. Expectations will kill you. The thing though, that must be daunting and frustrating for you,

because I would be frustrated if I was you. You have the ability to do. It's like Genevieve, your daughter. Genevieve is such a perfect mix of you and Willie. It's so fun to watch her because now she's nine and she's like, she's got Willie's wild, creative, like let's go get dirty in the mud and run around totally. She's scared. Ain't scared, en nothing shooting a gun and not driving a car. I mean use it all that too, though.

I mean you were very capable, but then she has your ability to Like I have told her how to take care of Sonny one time. On everything. I was just like, okay, when we get her up, we will turn off this machine, take her out of her sleep. Sack um, change your diaper. I showed her how to change the diaper because their diaper is a little big to put the the everything perfectly, like she doesn't skip a step, and then she's so joyful and fun. And that's what you have, Like you have that ability to

never skip steps. So where I was going with this is it would be frustrating to me if I was you, and not only was I so capable like you are to do all these things, so smart to think in a way to figure them out, then you have the ability to like you make them happen and it doesn't feel hard for you, Like it's not like that. The

fun memories are not that planned out stuff. But I would be frustrated if I was you, if I was dealing like someone like me who literally my brain when I have chores and task and learning and things to do, like it shuts down. I get this like buzz feeling in my head back to you on an amazing race. But I'll how to read a manual to put together that car, like reading instructions that your nightmare? Yeah, you

freaked out. See all these things that have to be done in my brain, it overwhelms it and it just shuts it out. Oh I love Amnuel. We got new internet out here, give me instructions and a plan. And but you you see like one thousand puzzle pieces laying on the table. I love it, and you're like, nobody do this until I wake up. I'm like, please, don't worry. I'm not even coming near the puzzle table. But I think now, because I like to be in control, so it's great if I don't have to compete, I can

just do it. Lazy people out here aren't going to think that at all. I don't see it that way. Like the way my brain is wired. You and you had so much fun, Like a plan is boring. I mean it's essential, especially when you're surviving and you're feeding and cleaning, and I thrive on a routine. But the memories I always think. So my freshman year in college, one of our pleets sisters, Melissa Cafee, was killed in front of all of us. It was hit by a car.

It was horrible, a total tragic. It could have been any of us. Baylor. We went to Baylor, we were all right there, the streets are dark, it couldn't nobody was drinking. I mean, it was pure, just freak accident. And honestly, that change my thinking because today has to be a good day. You said that every day. Every time I call you, You're like, today is a good

day because there's no guarantee. I mean, Corona, all these weird things, and I don't want to live in fear because I don't want to miss out on the beauty of today. And I think your personality and Willie and Genevieve y'all have helped me be fun, have dance parties, be weird, get muddy. Who cares if you get money? It's so fun to be muddy. You can take a shower.

You can take a shower. I mean you have to get over that, like, oh my gosh, don't have to clean the house, clean the laundry, clean the kid all that. It's like, who cares? Well if you're going for the moments and the memories. I think at the end of I always say too that one day in my house is going to be clean and small white mothballs. Like right now it's a muddy mess. But if I died tomorrow,

today was a great day. And we enjoyed the mud and the being outside, and the rabbit that hot by the window, the rabbit and the bunny, the two dogs and the hair everywhere. But I don't know. I think that is something that's probably that's what I always say. I'm going for, like just to be present and you don't have to say yes to everything, but just trying.

You're the one that told us if it's not a yes, it's a if it's not a hell, yes, it's no. Oh yeah, I got that from a podcast I listened to, but that Michael and I use that all the time, and I forget that, but I when I remember it, it's so true. If it's not a hell, yes, it's And here's the thing, Like, I have this like this need to keep up sometimes, like I feel because I know I have like certain goals and I like have like career goals that I'm like, Okay, I need to

accomplish these. But then also like I need to try. This is what you do so well. I need to just trust the flow of the spirit and like the spirit will flow me into I mean, yes, I gotta wake up and work hard and show up every day, but I can't plour something to happen. And you're so good at that. How did you get there? Well, I'm

a pleaser. I want everyone to be happy all the time to a fault, and so I think that if it's not hell yes, then it's a nose stuck with me because somebody, if if you're saying yes to everything else besides your hell yeses, then you're saying no to your best yeses down. So if you're saying yes to everybody because you don't want to hurt people's feelings and you're not intentionally deciding what you're going for, then you're saying no to the stuff that's your heart and soul.

Like if you say yes to all those stupid little things you don't care about, are not excited about, then that's your time and it's sucking your energy from who you are and your love and your passion of the things that mean the most to you. So then by focusing, but first you have to here's the hard thing. You have to take the time to know you. How do you? How you helped me with that? I mean, I feel like it's so easy to just have noise and activities and business. I feel like we just bow have been

on a journey to be our best selves. Like we try really hard to be good people and obviously we mess up and it's not perfect. But being intentional and really like just being quiet with yourself, knowing who you are, what makes you tick, what makes you happiest, acknowledging that not trying to save the world, but doing what is

I feel like God puts on our hearts. Everybody has, you know, our own unique makeup, and so if you just focus on those huge heart strings and callings, if everybody does a little thing, if everybodybody takes care of ourselves, then all of a sudden, you've made a big difference versus being stressed out about all the things to do. And that's where I used that's okay, not I can't say used to live because I still do live. There I can see in my mind all this suffering, and

I'm sure I'm just seeing whatever my mind sees. There's so much suffering in and we get feelings to dogs and all the animals and give everybody I know it but to make believe because it is coming from my personal brain, these made up feelings that I am creating a whole life story, saga scenario for whatever I'm feeling

sad for. But that's really if if we were to cut open the brain of that living being, they're experiencing something totally different because they have their own makeup and they hold there's totally different circumstances, So there is no reason for me to put my feelings on it. What there is a reason for me to do is exactly what you're saying. And I'm really trying to grasp this, and I'm this is my corona goal for myself, and I challenge anyone who's un lockdown to think of it

this way. I'm really trying to grasp what you're saying. I have a certain calling and I feel called called towards certain things that feel easy and right for me. That's what I need to focus on, not everything else, because it's going to suck on my energy out. I'm going to do a bad job at everything, and I'm going to end up in a ball on the floor crying because I can't. The world is so sad and overwhelming.

Whereas if what gay gaddis of saying and I said totally wrong in her email, the leaders of tomorrow are the ones who can find silver lining because everybody needs hope, and you give people hope by doing what you're meant to do. And so how did you learn that to listen to those callings on your heart, because that is the key to happiness. I feel like I was just I had this moment. It started my sophomore year in college, which I know I'm an old soul. He always really,

how did you have this? But I was so overwhelmed by all the feelings, and so I just didn't like the existence, like it was so daunting, and so I just started reading. It was heavy. I mean, I think starting with our relationship. I remember the first self hope book I read that totally changed my life with Gary Chapman's Five Love Languages, great book if anyone hasn't read it.

But for you and I'm acts of service and I and you were not, and so I would spend my life trying to help you, like and as acts of service, you're not doing what you want to do, like you're

being a martyr and doing something for someone else. And so I realized that you were were words of affirmation, which to me is a cop out because I'm like, that takes one second, but I know that means a lot to you, and so I'm like, Okay, well I can tell her how much I love her and how wonderful she is and what a great mom she is. And I don't have to go to the grocery store and prepare you a healthy meal and do your laundry and clean your house, which I don't know why I

would even think that. So that helps, That's probably what you would appreciate it. Oh, I love poor Willie. I've trained him. Get a bottle of spray out spray the counters down. If you want to show me you love me. It's like I'm getting lucky tonight next all the window. I know, I'm like, do something, but I will say

to another thing another boundaries, like we are loved. We both come from huge families, Willie and us, and we we always say family first, like we're that's our life, like we hang out with people and when you spend long times. I think this is why we live so well together in captivity we are in our little cages. Is because I've realized, especially as like an act of service person, it's up to me to know me and

what I'm okay with. It's not fair to you to let you do something to me you don't know you're doing. That's ruining my life for stressing me out. This is what we call wisdom. Well, but you're so good, we're both if you I can be truthful for you, you know, because and Willie taught me that he was, Like Catherine, I don't know what you're feeling. It's not fair for you to have something inside of you that's bothering you

that I don't know about. And it's really transpired. So then all these people that you love so much that you spend all your time with, be honest. But first again, it gets back to you have to know who who you are and what you're okay with and that takes time. But I feel like you and tailingin on the road and all the therapy I've lived vicariously through all, I was thinking we should time them too. We should, I know, have a little reunion. Man, So you're crazy up and down.

Life has helped me a lot with my Excel spreadsheet, crossing the eyes and dot in the tea life. But Kevin, the thing that you have always done from me, which I don't know if you've done this because I've been such a hot mess in the middle of it. You probably don't even know what I'm saying. In the midst of all this uh energy, I put out there you have all And Willie said this in his podcast, and

I agree. You provide a feeling of safety and stable and I think it's because you're like one of your greatest assets is the fact that you are type one, Type A and one on Instagram and all that. But then you've done all this also is work on yourself, so you're so compassionate and aware that you have the ability to make people feel safe and calm and sturdy. And that is such a blessing because because unhealthy one makes you feel like you've got stick in the mud.

Like you know, I feel like you love so well. People are drawn to you. You have a light and an aura and you set people in and you make people feel good like ones are can be very cold and magnetizing, like somebody oh gosh, like okay, calm. If you need you know something, then but don't want to necessarily be around him. I don't want to be like I've learned so much from you because I want to be approachable and I want to be fun and I

want to be present. It's easy to be distracted. So I appreciate you saying that, because that is that's what I want from my people. I've never wanted to be the star. I'll never forget it. Baylor. When you were doing Baylor Icon, you're out there, I was shaking. I was so nervous, as like your first singing, like the campus. Oh it was such a big deals in the huge hall and you're the finalist. It's blocked out of my mind, like traumatizing. I remember everything, which is also a problem.

Um and you're up there and I said, oh, my goodness, what is feel like? Are you so nervous? And You're like, no, I'm nervous if I'm not up there. And I thought that was so interesting to me because You've always wanted to be on stage in front of people, and I'm the opposite. But I want to. I'm like, you want to help get it all organized. I want all my people to get all their dreams. But yes, let me organize it. Let me give you a schedule, and here's who you need to talk to and what you need

to talk about. I thought. I worked at d C for a summer that was It was so fun and my dream job I thought was to be a scheduler, like a real lobbyist slash intern for really like paper phone answer I did answer the phone, and I sorted like a Brownstone apartment. It was so going to like work happy hours. I remember riding trains and stuff. I was like, awesome, that's cool. I know it was really fun.

Pete Sessions so wonderful and Henry Bania because you were thinking about politics for a minute until it stressed me out so bad, and then I decided I can't focus on That's when I like my Yeah, it was too much to focus on. I'm better at one. Like Willie and I. We have our little issues that we work on, that we support, and I pour my heart and soul into those, and then I just pray for everybody else.

It's too daunting, Okay, so go on. You're living in d C. Pete Sessions, I don't know what that we're talking about. Um oh gosh, oh I interrupted, you'd see. This is what all my listeners tell me. They say, stop interrupting your guests. They're on such great stories, and then you sidetrack it and then they never come back to what they're originally talking about. This is my flaw. I don't know. We have a lot to talk about. Oh.

I was going to be a scheduler. My type a and so the scheduler got to get all the mail, open up all the mail and all the invites, and then you would get to decide who what invite you thought would be worthwhile for the senator whomever to go to, and you would write little notes on them and then you present them to whomever you were working for and then make the schedule. No, I never had that job that was a COVID job, but I thought, oh, if

I could do that, that would be so fun. I just love a schedule and making it work, like I guess the puzzle of it all, puzzle. I love timing. I love having a efficient day. But then I also love quarantine life. I mean, here we are you love it all? What's what's a perfect okay? If you were to design and not for I'm not saying like a real job, but like the perfect job day scenario for you? Like if you were going to do work all day, what would be thrilling? What would it look like? I

love schedule, like I love planning. What does that do for you? Like when you plan something, it's satisfying because you start with nothing and then you end with a product. So do you feel like you So it's creation. So actually it is creating. I guess it is. Yeah, it's a creating because you were creating a day out of nothing thing and you're making it happen like our r V plans in the summer. Is so fun for me. Okay, people say that's not creative, but there's actually really have

thought about it that way. I guess. So it really is because you're taking nothing and you're building a day, but you have this some day. He's completely out of your mind. That's true. It's no one else's mind. Everyone else just jumps on board because it's a schedule, so you feel like it was always there, but really you created it out of thin air. It's actually super creative. I love it. I like, we'll pick an area. We're trying to get all the states by g by the

time she's eighteen. Corona MTE set us back a little bit, but we'll have an r V life. RV life if y'all just look up our V parks all the time. I love it and like all the random little balls of twine and diamond minding and caves and restaurants activities. Everyone listening. Katherin would do this with our family vacations like, we love it, figure out where we're gonna go. Then

I don't even know where you look. You go to all the places on Google, and you find all the like the perfect websites that actually are legit with the really interesting people that find the cool things to do wherever you're going. You find those websites. I don't know how you find them. And then you figure out exactly

where we need to eat. You're like, this is exactly where we have to eat, this is the place to go order, this is the event we're doing, Like this is what's happening, and you're so certain about it because you know because you've done all the research to find it. But it's like everyone's like, awesome, Well, God bless Willie. He likes a little random, so I feel like I'm trying.

We're I'm swinging both ways. So now he likes to just take off see where the wind blows you, which I found is actually pretty fun, but it makes me a little nervous. At first. I was a little nervous because I'm thinking, well, what if we get there and it's booked, like I want to stay here, I want to see this, and if we get all the way

there and you don't even get to see that. But then it's the adventure of what you did instead, like I'm looking at it, and so adventure of what you did instead that should be the title of that should be a good one, the adventure of what you didn't. So that's y'all's of memoir. You and Willie's Lee are the ying and the yang. He has been so good for my type A, and I'm good for his type Z, like we meet somewhere in type M. I guess, but I think it's good to have both. I think I thrive.

I have a thrive on a routine, like when I know, okay, Genevieve goes to school two days a week, so my Mondays and Wednesdays when she goes to school, I work out, I work at grocery shop, a mule plan, I'm doing laundry. I'm getting everything done at the same time. I'm in my own little world. And you are, like you probably love you probably feel so good on top of the world. Yes, you're caught up. All your all, my all my quick books are reconciled, all my bills are paid, all the

invoices are sent. I have my mule plan ready, you're like killing it, killing it, but I haven't connected with anyone. And so then on my our homeschool days Tuesday, Thursday's Fridays, it's so fun. I try to let that be more just organic, you know, I mean, we have to get through certain stuff, but I've figured I'm both figured I thrive off of both in different ways. But okay, this leads me to another topic. You are so great at balance, at boundaries, and you have worked on that a lot.

So tell me what balance looks like to you and boundaries. It's funny, Beth, you can relate. We're extremes college Beth and then Catherine and investors and Richard now Katherine and her met after college. And I've never met two people who are more alike than you too. She's such a the same like I'm a I'm extreme personality by nature,

and so I let my like whatever I'm doing. If I'm on I before, if I'm not working on myself, I'm like all or nothing, like intense workout, counter every calorie, I mean, always on a diet, which best started every year? Favorite one so far is this one. I like this one? Oh, I do too. Ellie Livesey faster way to fat loss. Check her out. She's the best, She's so inspiring. Um, but I feel like it's so much better since being a mom to you know, kids, that's where they're watching you.

They're not listen. They're listening to what you're not telling them. You know, they're seeing between the lines. And so I don't ever want to talk about that. Like I've changed my tune now that Genevieve is older, and so I love health and I'm going for balance. I want her to have balance, Eat healthy, eat your approachein eat your vegetables. Of course, have a cookie, Like you haven't ruined your life if you've eaten a cookie. And in my type a brain, it's like, oh, I missed it up. I'm

just gonna do whatever or work. You know, I didn't get to that today, So I'm just not gonna do anything. We had a friend, um that said it's a lot easier to stay in shape than to get in shape, and kind of in life in general, you know, like in your faith, in your marriage, and your just do a little bit if you're not feeling a lot, a little bit goes a long way. And so I've learned that from being so extreme where you're in a hole and you're like, gosh, I don't want to have to

dig myself out of this hole ever again. I just want to stay present. Diva's trying to say, so. I think that's where that comes from being an extreme personality and just being tired of your extremity whatever is that word as extremity that extreme nous also, and I feel like I used to do the same thing. I've said this on the podcast before and I'll say it again, and Katherine knows this, and everyone who's listened knows. I used to struggle with like everyone I'm sure struggled with

eating issues on some level. I took my mind to like dive hills and teared around bloem me in my earlier days, you know all that. And finally I got to the same point as you, like, when I got pregnant, something changed. And I think it's because we struggled so long to get pregnant that when I got pregnant, I did not care, Like the last thing I cared about was my body image because I was just so thankful to finally be pregnant. I was like, I don't care if my body changes. I don't care if I get

stretched arged. I mean, I didn't want any of that, obviously, but I also wanted to be pregnant so much more. For the first time, I was like, Okay, my body is a miracle, Like I'm appreciating it for the first time. And then when I had her, I was like, man, I don't care about my body right now. I'm cheese. I mean, I care about it, but I don't care about it looking perfect. I'm just grateful that it's moving healthy and such a beautiful vessel. Yeah, and I can

use it to carry sunny and what a blessing. And so it's like the same kind of thing. It's I think that's what Corona is doing for the world. Honestly, I think that's the everything. There's a negative and there's a positive. So I agree, what do you think the positive? Just stripping the world away from I mean everybody. Was the first thing anyone ever said to you is oh, I'm so busy. I cut busy out of my vocabulary.

It just drove me crazy because you're in control of your life, Like you get to decide where you spend time, and you can make boundaries. You can make boundaries and you can say no and saying you're busy, which everyone busy. I get it, I'm not. I mean that's total legit. The world is crazy. But if you're so busy, you're not doing things you want to do, or just be like so, I always would say hope to see you soon, not oh, let's get together. I hate that way. Can

we get together? I'm so busy, I can't do lunch. I'm like, so, I was just say hope to see you soon or look forward to crossing path soon, because you actually don't want to hang out anytime. Yeah, and if you don't want to hang out, don't say it, just say great seeing you, but the whole life to make another plan. No, And if you're so, I don't know, So I just see you soon. I hope to see you soon. But I think just that getting back to being intentional, like what do you want your day to

be full of? At the end of this day? What have you done? And so I figured out a balance. You want your you need your type A days, like you need one of those or two of those a week to really like get that powered up that makes you feel good and alive. There's a baby in a big girl. You want to say hi, you're Sonny and Hi your best friend did tell me that they were gonna ask before you leave. Because Giu is the best. She's like little mama with Sonny literally holding her on

her hip right now at all times. What's your favorite thing about your mom um? She's really good at doing stuff like what like doing it ventureous stuff and like doing fun stuff like other stuff like that. She's the best. She's the most fun and adventurous. I agree, Si good. I want to be adventurous. That you said that also is another thing that stuck with me. Okay, we're almost in gudy Is You always said I want to be

in the picture. Yes, that was a big a Hall moment for Like when you said that, I was like, You're like, I don't want to be the one taking the pictures. I want to be in the pictures. And I don't care if I look perfect or whatever is happening. I'm getting in the picture. What does that mean to you? Because I loved that. That really is stuck with me because my personality, it's easy to say, oh, y'all go do something. I'm gonna stay back in big dinner, clean

do laundry, and then I do something that's just a chore. Yeah, because I like to do things, check those boxes. I would write stuff on my list that I'd already done, just across it out. What is that? I don't know. Some psychologists psycho analyze me. But then I thought, Okay, at the end of the day, all these memories are so fun, and I'm not I don't want to like,

that's life your memories. Nobody's going to say she did a great job laundry and cleaning, like it was so fun to go get her tube and float down holl Creek and freezing cold uh water because it's running more than it had ever been. So at the end of the day, I think I just live sort of with that, not to be depressing, but I guess more eternal value, like if if I died tomorrow, Like what would I have said about today? What would I've done today that

was meaningful? And it is important, so important to keep a home going and healthy food and well fed and clean and all that. But I think there's a balance, like there's I don't want to just do that. I want to be in the pictures. I want to be in the memory. I want to experience all that fun, and you're great at that. You have always been the daredevil. I I mean you love the thrill of life and I'm more of a I mean I had to be really brave to make myself try roller coaster and actually

was fun. But for the most for like the first fifteen years of my life, I said I don't like roller coasters, and then you decided, and then I was like, well, let me just try one. And I don't like the wooden ones, but I do or the ones that go backwards. You actually went and tried them all out and figured out you really liked Yeah, And if I hated it, I'd never have to do it again. But you tried it, but I tried it. Food not so exciting. Could like just strap up post and cheese pizza. I'm not going

to try something. I know I have a weird food thing. But you always have lived off of noodles. When we went to camp, though, we went to this camp in Texas called Waltimar's All Girls Camp. Catherine was so you were so great everything. You're like canoeing captain and like I failed, you shoot archery like a hundred You how likest archery? You could shoot American archer, baby, but you would get a bulls eye the link of a football field, like you're like catanus Everdene like, I'm not kidding. I

took a double. Don't come messed with us. In Corona, we got our Catherine is an archer like you had so many bows and arrows and they were the most high tech ever, and you would shoot from I can't believe. It was in the middle of the field where people are walking and they changed that someone lost an arrow, but you would shoot like I swear it was like the link of a football field right now. I don't know how I got into that. I loved it. Ever do it anymore? No, I need to You need to

do that. Don't lose that. I know you were so great at that. It was fun. How did you find archery? Did you just click with you? I guess I don't know. I think they made you maybe take it or and then you just like connected. I loved it because I like a good project. Because it was such a maybe bulls I you could win. There was something to like win or get yeah, and it was instant instant. Once you practice, you could like and then there were all

these things to get. So it's like you had to shoot x amount from the tin yard line or x amount from fifty. You had to work your way up. There's this American I don't know if they still have it, but it's an American archer check boxes, you know, so I could check them. So I had to shoot X amount of points from each as as you checked off the tin, then you did the twenty and the then thirty,

and so give me a checklist. I mean, come on, I'm going to finish American archer on our how And then they invented so then some of us, there were a few of us that got our American archer from the fifties. So they invented the Waldemar round and that was like double what the American archer was. So we've got it. So I took archery double so I could check those boxes. Give me that award. Truly, I think I probably had something to do with it. The satisfaction

of that makes sense. Achieving. I'm an achiever. I want to follow the rules. I want to achieve what is expected of me. To a fault. Yeah, I'm not no wonder that I was into that. I knew what I was going for you love, and you say that in your what are you going for you? But where I came up with this is like when we were eating in the dining hall. You would never eat any of your food, and then you would just stare at everyone's plates.

I would just stare people eating gross food. I grossed me out and I got horrible table grades because they would say stop staring, people eat and eat three bites. But you would not not worth it. I don't care. I would try to hide it under lettuce or bread. But about food, Oh, smells that kills you. Smells kill me. If I walk into someplace that stinks, I walk out because what does that mean? What do you do? What does your brain think? What does think? It? Like? Is

instant shut down? Like I smelled a poisonous gas or something that my body might die? I think it must be some old survival technique. If you walked up to something that's stunk in the day, that probably had diseases. I don't know. So if I walk into a place and it stinks, I can't eat there and everybody knows it, and it's not even worth arguing with you because it's not happening. No, that's what I love about you two sister, your go go go go, go with the flow until

you're not it's like nope, not even worth it. But I will say, like with food, food, I would say it's Polly no, non negotiable. But if you're coming to our house for dinner, I'm gonna text you what I'm cooking, all the ingredients. See if you're adversed anything, if you prefer something else, I want everyone else to get how they want it to. I'm not gonna put my food

on you. I really want you to have it because people don't understand, like Willie will eat anything except olives, which we grew up on black alive pizza, like that's our one thing. He will eat your shoe leather and he will not eat an al of um. And so I want everyone else to enjoy it like I want you. I love food and I love cooking and doing things, but if you put something gross in it, it ruins it for me. So I don't want to ruin it.

So I'm very accommodating to other people. You are. And it's so funny that you would text someone the full being ahead of time, Like someone comes over to my house, I'm like, are you bringing something, You're the best whatever, and you're gonna put all the leftovers in baggies. So we've you know, we're saving all of our food and being very cook at all. Michael's to cook when we're at home, and he cooks Southern food, and I have just decided to eat anything like I've become like Willie.

I don't want to cook it. It's like stresses me out, so I don't really care the mixtures you come up with and make anything. I will put rice with cheese and make some cheetos in there and dip it with a tortilla choke. I am a rat. You're a rat. I love to eat like a rat. Yeah, you always kind of have. You're a survive. That's good. I would die everything. I love cheese too. I want to melt cheese into anything. You've always put it like chips on

top of stuff. We would go to Uncle Dan's Best Barbecue and Waco and we would get Texas taters and put cheetos on top. That was so good. Oh it's still so it is so good, I know. Yeah, So I think back to our different personalities though, I think that's the beauty of it. Like us having each other has made us better people. And I would say that about all the people, like right now, I'm turning forty this year vision, I would say, like intentionally all the

people in my life. I feel like I've realized there are phases. You know, you think, gosh, I was best friends with that person and I don't keep up with them, but you have these phases of life, And right now I feel like the people in my life, it's I have healthy I've really tried hard to have healthy relationships so that you enjoy your people, you enjoy your life. We're all we subject ourselves to our own living hills,

like we there's so many things we can't control. And then previous Corona, you look at the things that we've subjected ourselves to that people hate, like, but you chose to do that. You don't have to do that. So I feel like that's what I'm going for in this. You're very aware that you have a choice, very aware, and I'm very choosy, Like I take those choices seriously because I am so affected by things. I don't want

to be tired. I'm going to go to bed even you know, don't want to hate your people I don't want to hate my people. I don't want to feel bad. I love mimosas. I can't drink orange juice. I think I'm pre diabetic or something. And so if I want to have a fun day, I can't drink a mimosa in the beginning of a Saturday because I'm gonna be tired all day and I miss out on everything that you're tired, and it sounds it sounds so fun. I love mimosas. If I know I can take a nap.

What did rain say, eat like you eat what you want, how you want to feel. Yeah, that makes sense. And so if I want to drink a mimosa and take a nap, awesome. But I know I can't, and you have to just know yourself. I think I feel like I've just spent this last stecade really intentionally trialed and Errard, Yes, you took inventory. It's like when you do that allergy tests and they scraped her back and they put all

the things in your back to see what you're allergic to. Yes, you've done an allergy test for yourself, and you now know what you can live with and what you can't. What makes you happy? What doesn't and you just don't do what you're allergic to most of the time. I mean, you know what, I want to feel good and I

want to be happy. Yeah, And I feel like we've had the past couple of years have been so crazy and it has given us this eternal perspective when you have these life and deaths and ups and downs, and you feel like you're in the clouds, like we've been so off of the ant level, I guess of the ground because we just were kind of last year. It's just kind of like one eternal thing to the next. And it's beautiful up there too, like it's scary and sad. And what do you mean up there to talk about

your faith? Yeah? Um, well, that analogy is like when you're just not worried about your day to day, when you're dealing with so many big life things, you're just kind of actual death. Yeah, life and death. We had a year of life and death last year, And I feel like your perspective is different because you don't have the time to worry about stuff that normally you were too busy, you're stressed out about because you're just dealing

with the big stuff. But faith, to me is everything, and I feel like this is something I've learned too. I've always had the Holy Spirit in me and felt it so huge, and I know that's a gift too, like because for me, what is what is right? It feels so right, like if I doing something I know to be wrong, it makes me feel sick inside and always has like I've had that forever, and I is

very strong, very strong. I guess it gets back to that not wanting to feel bad and this aim like with my faith, like God has always I've always known what is right. Obviously haven't always done it, but then I just I had the gut feeling to know, and so I'm lucky. I know that I'm lucky for that now because God keeps me on my path. You know exactly what your path is exactly, and it's new every day you wake up. I don't know where it's leading me.

At each intersection, I have a feeling of what's right for me. What does the Holy Spirit feel like to you? It's just like your whole chest and heart, Like you know that feeling when you're about to get sick or if you're nervous. When I'm when I have that feeling, I know it's not right and this is something else. If you don't know, you know, like if you're uncertain, if you don't know what the right answer is, then I feel like you just hold tight, pray about it.

You still don't make them, don't ever force something. I used to be a forcer, like, Okay, I need to get this over with, check this over because it seems like the best. Yeah, but if you don't know, if you don't have that peace, or for me, if I don't know, then I just wait and then will the answer show up? Always? I mean, think about life. It's it's funny now that you've lived long enough to look back at stuff, you think something is so important you

have to decide right now, oh my goodness. And then you think, I think you have to go back and redo when it doesn't work out. And then instead of just not being that my sweet neighbor, shelish so wise, our old neighbor. She always said, Katherine, you don't have to be the first to respond or anything or anything.

I get a text. I'm on tons of text change, and sometimes someone will text something out and like with an answer that needs to be replied to or something that needs to be done, and I feel like I gotta right back right away. But I don't have to even even right back. Some people don't even know you're on that text change exactly, and we stress ourselves out thinking, Okay, I need to sign up for that if you get a meal calendar for somebody, or if I get a

text chain on. No, that's another thing I've never forgotten. You said you don't have to be the first response. Sheila taught me that. It was one of those huge pause pause But when you know something's right, like you and your podcast. You are the reason I started this podcast, but it was because you were trying to fit into other people's lives. But when you get on your path and you weren't forcing anything and you weren't making anything up, like this is what God was calling you to do.

You're awesome at this. Were made for this, all the questions and here into everyone's brains and not have to fake playing the mandolin or whatever. Oh yeah, when I was in all sorts of bands, I had to like fake an instrument because I would never learn guitar. And then they were like, oh, learn the mandolin, so I just faked it. Literally, were hooked up to this cool little nothing, but you've learned how to do this. Sister.

If you weren't into this, this would be so intimidating to you, but you love it, and I feel like that's where it is. I mean, obviously we all do things we don't want to do, but I think form major life decisions. Like the day I met Willie, I knew I was going to met Miriam. I know that's so annoying for people. They're like, how do you know? How did you know? I don't know. It's just this feeling like you knew. I knew. The day I saw our dog on a picture online, I knew I was

going to get her. The days our house, I knew I was going to get it. God burned a hole in our heart for Genevieve. It's weird. It's like when you know you know it's something you can't it's just like if you don't do it, you're just in the wrong place all the time. It's like a stake in the ground. Yeah, It's like if you're building your fence, like you have the the wire in between that you're kind of just chilling chunch on. But then when you get these steaks in the ground and that's like, yep,

that's it. I think too. It's I've tried to get noise out of my life, like I've gotten to a point where I've tried to just have stuff in my life that's real and that makes me, builds me. You know that I can trust and so when you when you don't have all the distractions too, you can have these the feelings. I guess, I don't know. I really

think it's a gift now. I mean, I know that not everybody has it so blatantly, but you're able to live through life and live through life and death because your faith is so strong, Like you know, at the end, what is this life to you? And then what is faith to you? Well, the only guarantee is death, and so I believe for me, faith makes everything makes sense.

Nothing makes sense, like you can't explain my mind. You can't explain what is happening or who you are for me, like nothing makes sense unless I there's two here, and I just know that God is sovereign and God has me, and I believe that we're all connected and everything that happens happens for a reason to get you to the

next place where you're supposed to be too. And when I truly, wholeheardly believe that, I believe everybody has something good in them and I look for that, and I believe that God has everyday planned like his time is not human time. And it takes away the pressure of trying to be on some time frame or do. It takes the pressure of the world away because it with your whole heart. Oh, I you don't ever doubt God

and his faith. Like sometimes I can feel like I know there's a God, Yes he's got he's got it. Then let me get all stressed out trying to do it myself done here, Like you're good at really keeping God as a part of your every day to day existence, Like it's like a moving meditation prayer with you totally, and I feel like I've gotten in like every I'm able to seek God. It's not like pray not pray, like it's all sort of this just like continuum of prayer,

prayer God like miracles. I mean, looking if you look out the everything's a miracle. And if you can view the world that way. There's so much heartache and bad and know there's dark things, but if you try to live in the light, darkness what do they say, if you crack the door to darkness, the light overtakes, the overtakes the darkness, and so if you are trying to see the light, I feel like it just takes away the darkness. And that's what God is to me, and

I used to feel used to. This is my Corona challenge I'm working on. I would feel guilty for feeling happy when I know there's all this suffering happening out there. It's like, if I'm aware that all these sad things and terrible things are happening, I shouldn't allow myself to feel good. But going back to this gay Addis quote,

even what I'm saying it all wrong. You have to see the silver lining if you're going to be a leader and bring hope, because if you're just suffering and wallowing with all these suffering stories that you hear of the world, then there's no way you can bring light to the world. I'm not saying you can't feel it and be aware of it and help and give where

you feel called, because you should. But you also then have to be able to separate and stay in the light or else what good will you bring to anyone? And amidst all the suffering, there's so many blessings. Like I think, you know, back to our grandfather, he went in kind of at the beginning of Corona, and so

he's been by himself. Nobody can go see him. But all the I see you nurses like they take on an emotional role now doctors, Like there are so many angels on earth, and there's so much good despite the suffering, Like when you're in dark places, there's still often somebody

or a hope that you can hold onto. And I think if everybody just gives people the benefit of the doubts, if you just believe people are doing the best they can do and it's not personal against you, which just people are life, you know, that's a that's another change, Like when you truly believe that people are out for the bet, they're not out to take you down, they're just tie whatever, they're just doing. Their mom taught us

that with her philosophy. You know, she always remember, we would oh, so and so hurt my feelings, and you need to call their moms. You're thinking, I would want her to call their mom to fix it. And she would always say, well, what are they going through in their life that would make them. Mom has always been very good. Yes, a broad perspective like that, And if you believe the world's not out to get you, I

mean Oprah, she her story was so powerful. She's been through such dark, hard things that could have she had every excuse to not get up, but instead, she said, those experiences didn't happen to me, They happened for me because now here she is the most empathetic, amazing world, world changer because of what she's been through, so used it. And I do believe you get to choose how you respond,

and it's okay to not be okay. You know you don't have to Yeah, And you know, bad things, hard things aren't necessarily bad, they're just hard and that's okay too. Everyone comes up with this plan for their life and if if something hard or difficult happens, people say that's bad.

They immediately label it bad. But it's not bad because if you truly have a spiritual existence, you know that God will use all of this for your ultimate good and like oversists for you, and that involves storms, that involves dark periods totally because you learn it shapes you in a different way than if everything is just great, you learned depth to yourself. Yes, and even just like watching the c m A Fest on the TV, how everybody nobody was done up playing acoustic. Nobody was done up.

The sound wasn't perfect, but everyone recorded it themselves. Yes, on your iPhone, on your iPad, but it was so powerful. Like it's just people being people and humanity. That's how you connect with humanity, being real, being you Like, it's not about who you think you should be, it's who are you? Who are you? Who are you? So give me give people steps on how to discover who you are.

If people are still lost in the noise and lost in the keeping up, and lost in the climbing the ladder and whatever else, how would you suggest people find out who they are? For me, it starts with quiet. You just have to be still and be quiet. And I would say for me, I've started, well, like for you our relationship, I've always wanted to love you. If I focus on actions that are annoying to me, I'm

going to be annoyed with you. So I would say, start with a relationship that's for me, a relationship that is trying. And another thing that I always try to do is like if I start getting annoyed with someone Willie or gonna me or you or whatever, which thankfully I've trained my brain. You can train your brain so the second I feel something annoyed, I focus on three things of gratitude. So if something comes in and I'm thinking something not positive, stop it, like, don't stop it,

stop it, don't let those feelings get stuck. Let those fly away. And it's okay to be annoyed. Like, you know what, I think this is all just for It's not. I don't want to act like I'm always feeling. For the most part, this is your te This gives you, and this gives you acceptance of people for who they are. And so for me, then I just focus on the three things I love the most about them and really

feel and feel that. And then because you think you know Sally Rob this lady in Austin who's so wise and gives women's retreat, she said her husband would throw little pieces of paper and she would find these little pieces of watered up paper all over the house, and she viewed, instead of being annoyed with him, you view it as a little blessing. You're so thankful for that person's life. And those little reminders. I mean, if it's

driving you crazy, maybe you should work on it. But you know, you can view things like that as a little blessing and a reminder. And you would be so sad if that paper wasn't there, And not to be always sad, but just to kind of change your focus and then appreciate the people around you because we're all human and if and this is something else, I don't want people to look for the worst in me, So view people as you want to be viewed. You know, look, try to find the best in them, so they hopefully

try to find the best in you. If you try to help people, then they try to help you. Like if you're happy, they're happy. Back your mirrors, what did they say? You get back what you put out? It's really karma, karma totally. And on sad days it's okay to be sad. I will say something that's helped me as a parent instead, because Genevieve and I spend so

much time together. When I'm feeling tired or frustrated or hormone or hormonal, or I'm sick or whatever, I say what I'm feeling instead of because as kids, I remember like taking people feeling emotion of all those people around you, and so if you say what you're feeling, then she doesn't have to worry and take it on. I say, Genevieve, I love you so much. My day is over, I'm finished talking, I'm tired, I'm going to bed. It's not you,

it's me. I just need to rechard. Just be honest, and then you don't have this undercurrent of yeah, and then she can tell me if she's having feelings. You've helped us with that, sister, being honest with your emotions. Thank you. You're framing it nicely, because then it's not personal. You know, then you're not the kid doesn't have to be worry of you know, if they're the reason you're upset. Another thing you said a little parenting advice here at the Inn is you said you will. You told you

you will always tell her the truth always. Mary Flow Redley, The Birds and the Bees genius. If you need something for your kids, um Mary Flow Ridley Ridley, she started The Birds and the Bees. It teaches your kids how to talk about sex, or teaches you how to talk about sex to your kids, because they say, we've spent our whole life, trying to prepare our kids and keep

them safe. You know, you send them to schools, you help them with their homework, you keep them dressed, well fed, all these sports out of harm, way out of harm's way. You catch them when they fall, you put a band aid on their cuts. And the one thing we're scared to talk to our kids about a sex and that's the one thing they're most curious about, and that we won't. You know that we don't know what to say. So it starts. She has this whole program, and it starts

when they're young. And any question they ever asked that makes you blush, you know, you always say that is such a good question. I'm so glad you ask. And then you tell him that's a good question, and that gives you a second to catch your breath before he started saying these words that make feel weird, and you've got to say it straight face, nonchalantly. And but I tell her, I'm always going to tell you the truth, because you want to be the expert. Your kids are

going to figure out stuff. And that Willie was saying that too yesterday because we were talking about something and Willie told him to be the truth about it, and I remember thinking in my head, oh my gosh, I want to dodge this question, but instead he just nonchalantly told her the truth. And I was like, when we talked about the next day and y'all said, you want to be the expert because why because if you tell them false information, they're not going to come back to you.

You're setting the report And it says this was something that was eye opening. They say, even if your kids in kindergarten, the maturation of that class is the oldest sibling of that class. So you think, oh, my kids five,

they're in kindergarten. I don't have to worry about saying the right words or telling them the truth, but that there could be someone in there that has who's a Willie, who has four older brothers and sisters that are in high school, and so they're hearing words and things they've never heard and bring them back to their five year

old kindergarten class. Yes, and so you just have to be the expert and say, she gives us that because you said, if you're not the expert, they're going to go their friends will be and they're trying to find information. That's all they're trying to do like everything we do, not if we have some if you have a picture or a a text, or we mentioned something like let me see,

they're just curious. Yeah, back finding. And the funny thing is, like we've had the sex talk with Genevieve, maybe since kindergart. You think, oh my gosh, this is so new. Well, I wrote down her words step by step. I kept him on my phone. I prayed about it constantly. I would just look at it so I knew what I was supposed to say. And you just have a streamlined, factual message, you know. She goes into the whole comparing it to science and flowers and just anatomy and it's

not emotional. And at the end of it they're like, huh, there's no emotion behind it. It's just because they're just trying to figure out how it works. Yeah, they don't even know what they're asking. Yeah, I think truth for me, and that's where I am now at this phase too. Honesty is always the best policy. When you tell the truth, even if it hurts you for a second, it gets

you to where you're supposed to be. For me, trying to keep up with what you said or what you're supposed to say, or and if it's not meant to be, good riddance, you know, honestly, like if you're if it's not meant to be and you can't keep it up, then let it go. And I appreciate it for what it was when it was, but it's not where you're supposed to be right now. I love that he's here. The baby's back. Have to give a shout out to uh cousin, Janet. Okay, hey, Janet, planet would planet with

Janet best cousin and listener ever. She stays up late to listen to these at midnight when they post, Janet, I love you, Janet, and you any messages about the podcast. That's Willie's Willie's cousin, cousin one of We're blessed by the best families ever. We all have the best cousins, family, siblings, parents, grandparents. Sunny says, Okay, so I wrap up every podcast, Cabin. I'm so glad we got to do. I love you so much, I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud

of you. Lend you to I'm gonna include you on this. I'm gonna do leave your light. So that's what Sonny wanted every wants to know that she's finding her voice. What do you what do you want people to know? Here you go first and the jet a second. What do want people to know? I will I want people to know that who you are is who you're meant to be. Like, don't be you and just own you, because take the time to find you. Take the time to own you. Um, and don't compare your journey to

someone else's. Like acknowledge your own path and just swim in your own lane, because that's what makes the world so interesting. If we all were doing the same thing, how boring would that be. So I just believe that God gave each of us are internal like best selves, and by owning that is, you get to your true trueness. And I feel like that's how you ultimately bless the world. Okay, gee, what do you want people to know? Um, we're on a time frame. Anything doesn't to be complicated. That you

should have fun during the quarantine. That's right, you Jenevi said something. Right. The other day we had church which was so fun. Katherin or Willie and Genevieve put on church in the house at how Creek House and we all went around and said things that we were going to try to do this week to be blessed, and Geneviev said, I think we should take a walk. Take a walk, and what do you say? And and try to see things that you haven't seen before? How profound?

And why is that? Because there's beauty everywhere? Should it be? Was very smart and very intentional. We're lucky to get to live together right now. It's a blessing. We've the lemonade out of limits, like we the quarantine happened, and we're like, let's get together and make the most of this, because when are we ever going to have a chance to live together with no schedules ever again? And at the end of this quarantine, what are you gonna have to say about it? I'm gonna have to say we

were in nature every day Geneviev. Sonny feels it. Sonny and Genevieve got to form this relationship that who would who would have ever known? Okay by Sonny g who they would have never gotten a chance to have this relationship on this level. I know. And we've gotten to do things. Willie said it right, he was like, it goes to show the first couple of weeks. You're still fighting it a little bit because you're like, this is not what are we in? Like three or four now,

you're just like given in what else to do? Finally, why would I not give into this? Like why would I not choose to see the blessings of this? Because here we are. I know, I'm not a doctor or a nurse. I'm so thankful for them. We pray for them, we send them all of our regards. God bless you all. And I'm not I can't do that, that's not what we're calling. As a matter of fact, we can't even

go visit our grandfather in the in the hospital. So I'm going to give so much thanks for them and then do our part stay home and enjoy like staying home and being in a bad mood. What's that It's not gonna help anything? Yeah, so help were you? And I will say this last thing. I will say this, Never in our lifetime has the entire world suffered at the same time like nine eleven. But it didn't. This

The world instant shut down. Nobody's thriving, like no businesses, maybe Purele and Cottonell, but everybody's in the same boat. And it's connecting us all as humanity. So yeah, it doesn't all status is being People still have their status entitle but like nobody's business is working right now, really, and the best thing you can do is just work on you. Like this is a reset for our souls in our life, and this is gonna mark time. So what are we going to remember when it's over? And

I think we're blessed. We may all of us made the choice, and Mom and Dad too to be like, Okay, let's just let's just quarantine together. Let's quarantine in Texas together. Because when are in the middle of life and working, When do you have two months off of your job? Probably no. And I feel like we're so good at making time for each other. We always see each other at least every six weeks, but we've never had this

amount of time together. So and seeing Sugar out there run, she is getting covered in mud head to toe cover every day. It's so skinny, the rabbits hopping free. I know, the little hamster Mollie. So I would just say big virtual hugs to everybody. Everybody's doing a good job, and just keep doing a good job, keep doing the best you can do, and it make some time for quiet and cheers. I mean, we've all had a little extra wine these days. Cheers and virtual hugs. I love you so much. Fight