Maddie & Tae (Part 2)

you know your kids movie. You have to. So it's a movie and it's basically about this girl and all of the emotions that live inside your head. Sounds so crazy. I don't have a different So it's like all it's like animated and it's all the little like emotions in your head, so anger, um, happy, sad, hungry, like whatever.

And for me, it's easy for me to kind of go inside because I can't if someone says something to me and I need to respond in a very mature kind smart way, like I can't do it right away. I have to think about it. I have to think of the best route, like I analyze every situation, I'm like, Okay, I could say this, but then it might lead to this. I could do this, but then it might lead to that. So I literally, in my mind, I have to go down every road and what it would look like long

term before I react to anything. I wish I did that just kidding things, I'll just say it with a smile though. But in the fault and that is it can make people think that I'm disinterested or that I'm not hurting because a lot of the times you probably thought that I'd like, I don't feel the same way as you know. I knew, but I was just like waiting. But yeah, so a lot of the times it can make people think that I'm just like really upset or really angry or I don't care but really has exploded.

In reality, I've exploded, and once I figure out which lane I'm going to take, then I will react. That's awesome, though, really I do that I have to. I don't think about like I'm so quick to just like like say what ever I feel like I need to say. I have learned from my path though that I'm trying to be more like that where I know that if I feel resistance or anger. I cannot respond because I always respond so much more harsh than I think I am when I respond, and then I'm like, then I have

to like undo it. And then when I was trying to tell them anyway is void because now I'm on the only thing I'm trying to do now is apologized. You see, I've had to find like filters in people like our manager. I will like filter things through her. I'll filter things through her sometimes and just be like or even like my boyfriend, I'll just be like, Okay, how should I word this to where I get my point across? But I don't upset and accustomed to everybody,

which is so good because I have learned. My sister's sister in law says it. She says, you're right, you're rude, you're wrong. Like if you're right but you're rude, then you're wrong totally, and so like that is what I learned that recently. It's kind of you learned that. I just learned that, like like in in my household, and let me tell you, like, I had a great childhood and my parents are amazing. We love that, but we

all have stuff. Even if you're the best your parents are doing the best thing can but they're still gonna and kids, and I'm going to object that it's just

the way. It's just that's how it all goes. But like my the household that I grew up, and it was like, um, if you felt some kind of way, you just said it like it was like I mean, it was either like you were really really quiet and you just like let someone just have like someone was just telling you like it was and you just kind of sat there and took it, or you were the person where you're just saying so like I that like I don't know, just seeing learning kind of like filter

it in a way where we're getting as lightly. But even as a family, my little sister and I, my mom and my dad, we've all learned how to filter things to where because me and my dad are very like I don't know what the actual like what's the phrase where it's just like both alphas or something kind of like hardhead or like you both just like say it how we just say it how it is and it's comes from a place of love. But yeah, very very blunt, like not careful with what we say at all.

And I think are okay with that. No Okay, no, but I absolutely not. No. I learned that, like when I moved to Nashville, was on my own, I was like, I can't just sometimes, and that's like another thing where it's like your soul where it's like sometimes, um, you know, she's upset about something and it's like making me angry, Like what she's going through is making me angry. Sometimes I have to be like, Okay, don't react with anger, like just be encouraging and keep your own personal things

about this situation. Like you know, if she's having something with someone it's hard about to get but to her, I can't be like I'm gonna go creaking cam hard because that's putting negative energy. It's just feeling the negativity.

So I have to like take a minute because like me and my dad were just so just like ready to freaking roll whenever, like if someone is going to mess with someone that we love your family, we're on yeah, And so I have to be like, Okay, it's like it's all good, you know, but it's so hard to do that. So I just so funny. Guys, speaking of this, how do you all maintain your friendship? Because to me, you'll seem like you're the best of most best of friends,

amazing friends. How do you make that work? Because so many groups duos are together and then they go through all these things, they have, all the success, they have, all these in the entertainment industry, it's just a crazy ride. So how do you, guys maintain your best friendship? I think a lot of it has to do with everything we've been through because we share struggles with someone, like actually everyday struggles going through the exact same thing. It

just brings you closer. But also I think when we met when we were fifteen and sixteen, our initial connection was like, let's be best friends. Let's go to lake, let's hang out, let's make custom phone cases. Like yeah. Every summer until we moved to Nashville, we would just like go to let's go get chick FLI and so you get into the movies like did that or chick fil A meals into a movie theater. We lived life as best friends before we it was actually professional all

the time. We're a duo and we were making music together. We were creating music together, but we were all we were still friends, like we did friend things. It was never we weren't like here you'd be with her and y'all sing together. It was like yeah, and there was never like who's the bigger star? And to do it because people type A type just worked like it just was like it just makes sense, like yes, But also

I think like respect is so important. Like I feel like sometimes if you feel like someone's not understanding you or disagree, if you don't disagree, it's not more healthy. You have to disagree and you have to not see eye to eye on everything. But when that happens, you have to figure out okay, Like and with me being so like just ready to rock and roll, I'm like, okay, how is she feeling about this? Like is this something

that I can do? You have to intentionally think of totally or like if it's something that she like, and we have kind of a golden rule where it's like if it's something that we're each really passionate about, and if it's like passionate negatively or positively, will communicate like, hey, I really am not feeling this, and I'll be like okay, you know, like maybe it was something that I, you know,

was interested in, but not that interested in. Not to upset her, it's not worth it, but if you were strongly yes, and you'd be like okay, exactly, and you don't cry wolf. You don't like say you're really passionate about something if you're not, because so you make it count. So you're not gonna say this means the world to me if you Totally totally, because there's been times where like a sponsorship made like I I related to it, remember that, yeah, And I was like, I really want

to do this. I feel so passionate, and he was like I do not have the connection and I can't go to these events and pretend like I have a connection. And I was like, oh, I really want to do this. But I was like, you know what, She's right, Like we're a united team, and like we have to treat everything, every every song we put out, every event that we go to, any podcasts that we choose, like everything needs to be like cohesive and it's not like she's dragging

me or I'm dragging her fully invested. Yeah, totally. That's another thing I've been learning in this Influencer series is being an authentic brand, which you guys you're great thing about that too, Yeah, being authentic. Talk to me about how you guys show up every day authentically and how that means sometimes turning things down. Yeah, I'm saying no,

it's a really big part of it. I think actually when there's money attached, Like what if there's money attached, how you've turned down a big amount of money a lot of times because it just wasn't right because it's true to our brand? Yeah, I tell me why that's

important to you guys. For us, I feel like from day one, especially even with our music, writing our music, it was like, are we really going to be the girls that's stand up on stage and sing songs that we don't feel a personal connection to because that's potentially going to ruin our lives? Like so many people do that right now. It's so sad. It makes you not like music an exactly, and it just seems to us

like a miserable way to live. Like if we're going to be artists, why not be artists and Maddie and Tay individually, like bring our actual soul's hearts into it rather than just viewing it as a career, Like it's our lives, it's everything, you know what I mean? Like because with you too, like you are your brand, you

know what I mean? Like you are selling yourself. Like like you know, a person at I don't know, a jewelry store is selling their jewelry and so when they go home, if they didn't sell a piece of jewelry, it's like, oh, you know someone. But if people aren't investing in you, you're actually it's like a personal hit where you're just like like essentially preach to an audience about something that we don't which do so much sense.

And that is the thing is like you guys are a brand but also your humans, and you are sharing your heart and soul at the end of the day, that is what people are buying into because regular people don't know that there's a huge machine running this and pupping stuff out money. But really so that it's up to you guys to make sure that that's like consistent, consistent in your your truth because otherwise people could force

that on you. Well. And this is the thing. So like with any influence and we've heard this too, because like we just got into like the influencer world and

everything it's wild. But I will say like the minute that you just take one thing that doesn't make sense, you're going to start taking more things that don't make sense, and then the brand that you've worked so hard for is not going to be what you So it's just like get watered down and people are not gonna listen to what you have to say because they're like, I'm just doing this because it's yeah, it's like, are you

gonna like do fifteen punches? Are you gonna pack a giant punch and just go for it a couple of times? Make it, make it and just don't get sloppy, like, because there's so many times where both of us are like, man, we could use the money, can use that, Yeah, we could use that cash, and then we're just like, it depends on what you want. If you are just trying to capitalize on what you're doing right now, do everything.

But if you're trying to build a longer you know, if you're trying to have that longevity, like know your worth and know like sometimes there's not a price that can make something makes Just because you say no to an opportunity now that may seem like it could launch your career but it doesn't feel right, doesn't mean that the opportunity in a different way is going to come

later that makes more sense. So you kind of have to trust in the process and that God's going to make the opportunity and trust your Have you figured out that your gut is more on that you think it is. Yes, And I want to talk to about that because you said if you feel like it isn't wrong wrong either. It feels like a huge opportunity, but your gut is saying like, don't do it and trust us the right one's going to tell how do you But how do

you know how to trust your gut? Because I feel like and I wanted to since we're hopefully talking to women and the everyday woman who's trying to find herself especially, how do you know how to listen to your gut and how do you know how to how to have the confidence to move forward and with your gut? What's the difference between emotions in your head and your gut feeling? For me, I don't trust my gut. I trust God. I can't do you know He's got um for me?

Have you guys ever seen there's like a split pole where it says, God calms you, the devil bushes you. God, Um, I know what you said, encourage, use you. The devil like makes you feel it's like a separate yeah. Yeah, and it's for me. I've lived by that because whenever I'm trying to make a decision or I'm just going through something, if I feel this way about it, then so if you feel like so, you feel like the devil would be like anxiety, resistance, stress, um, like it

doesn't match yourself. Yeah, and if that line up with my beliefs and morals, and I trust that God's going to give me peace, And if I have peace about something, then I trust that that's God's like for mind or like you're on my path. So if you have peace, if it flows easily, there's no resistance, if you feel like it matches your personal moral code, then you can move forward. And if if I'm not sacrificing your things

of others or myself or doing any harm, Okay. So that's a very basic way to break down God gut No, God mine is like all intertwined because I like to be like weird. I love it because we're getting to give both perspectives. So like the introvert next year, I know, but for me, like I talked to God like he's my best friend. So like in the car, I'll be like, hey, God, it's me, Mattie. You're trying to help, but I am like,

I've had really weird things. I'll have to tell you this one day because it's too long a story that I've had moments where like I will feel like the Holy Spirit telling me to tell someone something and I will get the courage to say it and it's exactly

what the person needs to hear. Or weird stuff I've had, like dreams, like premonition stuff where things came and break that down because I feel like, is that basically do you feel like it's a Holy Spirit when all of a sudden you're just going about your regular day and you get like this random thought that comes in your mind. You weren't thinking about someone else, but the specific message what it is? That is for me, that's what it is.

Because some people like so my grandma, she's really spiritual, and she has to have three confirmations, so like three confirmation confirmations. So for example, just a quick little story, my grandma wanted to start volunteering at a hospital and I have three conversations, I know, and so she was like, you know, I had I was talking to God and

I was praying about it. And so I kind of had the thought and I popped in my head and then U my aunt called her and she's like, Mom, you should really, like you know, this is like a day after like, Mom, you should start working at the hospital. I think it'd be fun. And she and you're not fun, but you're you're so good that confirmation number one. That

was number two. Number two. God kind of already put it in her heart, and the first one was her thought, yes, she was then two conversations from other one and then another one where one of her friends from Bible study was saying, like, Hey, you should really come volunteer at the hospital with me. I'll get you all hooked double lunch. She's like, okay, like three confermations, So I'm going to add to my my check. And sometimes it's just like

you just kind of have to, like you have. I feel like in this society we all can do not do well listening, like we're trying to fix anything so much. And for me, I'm like I don't want to listen to what God has to tell me. I want to fix whatever the situation is that he has me, And like I just want to fix it and I want to listen to what the real solution is. But it is tricky being like a woman of God out in this industry. I would like to say, how do you

navigate that? Because I do feel like, Okay, social media has been positive and negative. Negative in the comparison game has skyrocketed, but positive positive in also the real side has skyrocket because now like you guys can directly tell us how you're feeling. You can show yourself with no makeup, you can show yourself doing whatever, Whereas before we would have never gotten to see that. We're just saying you're perfectly created pictures and that that's photoshopped and touched and

you're just saying. But now with social media, you guys can actually let us into your personal life, which is the benefit. But how do you And so because of that, I feel like people's faith is starting to pop up more because people are talking about uncomfortable to more comfortable. How do you, guys define faith and how do you how do you work your faith into this career? Man? There's times where just with writing songs, we incorporate it.

But the biggest thing for us is like we are not going to be the girls that are like you should be a Christian and God is real and Jesus like, we're gonna be really kind and like let our actions speak for, you know, our words, Like if we're judging them, we're not doing it right. Yeah. Well, and some people they're like, why are you all so happy all the time? Why are you so positive? I'm like, Jesus man, he's a good friend, you everything, but just like letting your

actions speak for you know. But then this is the thing because it's like you know, being in the Bible Belt. I guess you can say in Nashville everyone you can get so skewed if people other people. I feel like religion is one thing and spirituality that is one thing. So we're on the spiritual spectrum like religion, Like we're not going to judge you, Like if I exclude you, I'm gonna wear a bikini because I want to wear a bikini, and I'm not gonna like sometimes like us

and sometimes I drink wine. But I feel like Jesus sex and more marriage and I'm still going to happen exactly. Jesus still loves you. It doesn't matter. It's like how a lot of the times people can view having a relationship with God as oh they're perfect, yeah, because stuff at that, But in reality, we're like the most way for a fact, that's why we need him, you know

what I mean. So I don't Yeah, I feel like for us, like might I said, playing those seeds instead of like shutting trees down people's you never want to be because that's a turn off. A turnoff man. Yeah, I ad the perfect Like, well, that doesn't help anyone to put out there that you're perfect, Like how is

that going to help anyone? Know? Well, and that's why, like we put out a video at the beginning of this year on YouTube and just kind of explain to our fans, like, hey, this is why it's taking so long. We had a label change, and it's been really rough, like trying to put out new music. And I like went through a really hard depression whenever the label shutdown because my purpose was so attached To explain that a little bit, So my purpose in life was attached to

my job. I totally get that. And so successes we got when I felt like my purpose was being taken away, which was my job, not my not my heart exactly. Um, I was like, you know what am I doing here? Like what like, what am I contributing to the world? Like? And I felt worthless. Yeah, I felt like I had no worth. And I literally would look in the mirror and not recognize who I saw. I was just like, who is this girl? I'd be like, I don't like her, she's like broken and just and then now and what

she had, her special spark is not gone. So you're working. And then once I like unwinded that thing where I was like, how did you unwind it? Oh? Girl? I was like, honestly, like a couple months ago. I like a lot of women, especially look in the mirror every day and they're like, who are you? What are you doing? Where's your purpose? This at least once a week for me. Yeah, it's always kind of always like girls, came on, come on, come on, It's so nice to hear that you guys

feel that way too all the time. Like there's so many times where both of us like I just feel like this small or like we'll be I don't know, the comparison game, and I'll just look at her and she's just like you are your own God created you. Just yeah, yeah, we always say nobody's going to steal your joy. That's all we always say to like, but like, it's just so after the oppression and you lost yourself and you didn't know who you were, how did you

redefine what your purpose was? And how did you rediscover it? Because originally it was your career and now all of a sudden, your career is gone at that moment, not that it's gone, but like the head it's gone totally. Obviously it's not, but like that second, it's all wiped out. So then how do you redefine what your purpose is when you feel like you don't have one question? There was a book that I'm still reading because I'm just hanging on. I don't want it to be over. There's

a book. It has a long title. It's in a pit with a lion on a snowy. I've heard Patterson that book changed my life. Um and too, I felt like once I owned the fact that I was broken because I both of us were like, we want to be strong. Hard to admit that. It's hard emit that you're broken. We're known for being strong females in country, Like what do you do when you get up on stage and it's like, hey, you were like growing a country song and fly we're strong and you feel like,

oh you feel awful. And so it was like once I owned the fact like I am broken, I am having a rough time, and once I started like leaning on other people and just because I don't know really that everyone's broken. Yeah, well I this is another devil thing where it's like when you are having a hard time, like he just uses that to his advantage, where you just kind of close yourself off. And the moment that I started realizing I had something was wrong was when

I stopped like talking to her. I wouldn't talk to my family, like I just wouldn't open up, and I'm like, oh, something's wrong. And then I just was like, we're gonna start here and just start from the bottom and then work our way back. Go do you just start with your pain? Like why do I feel that way? Yeah? I just was like, what what's making me feel ashamed right now? And I was like it was a business decision that another company made, Okay, so that has nothing

to me. And then it was like, okay, well my career like feels like it's over. And then it's like okay, but that's my career. That's not who I am. I'm still Maddie Marlowe, Like she's not just Tay from Maddie and Tay. She's tailored I and I'm not just you know what I mean, like and just separating the two. So but it's still hard, like how I wanted to learn something so painful so early on in your career, honestly, because moving forward you will always be able to get

back to that center eventually, you know. Yeah, And the story that we have now to tell, especially because we have a record coming out in the fall and it's and let's talk about that, because the Passid Lion's Pig comes, like y'all have this huge, explosive number one song, then your label folds has nothing to do with you, guys, and then you're like, what am I doing in my life? And now, Lissen, you're on a new label, new album, movie, start tell me about that, Like, tell me what the

new music and how that reverse feels. So we're hoping it's going to come out in the fall, and it's a story record, the story the story so to go hand in hand with all of that, Like Maddie said, it was important for us to not essentially like all of that pain and emotion go to waste. So it was like, we don't want to lie to our fans. The fans know that we struggled. The fans know that there was a time where we didn't feel like we're

ever going to get to release new music. So let's put that emotion into this record and make it count, make it a story. And even though so it's through the eyes of relationship. So it starts off the first song on the records are single, friends don't and that's about dating. That's like who's going to make the alty text. So it's like the end love phase of a relationship, which is where we felt at the peak of our career.

And then it goes to the heartbreak phase, which is what we felt as Which song is that when the most would you feel? That's a great question. I don't know, because there's like five different breakup songs that all say something different. Is it kind of like breakup with the label music too, not just guys. It's sort of like all but every song is like a intimate relationship, romantic relationship. But even though our emotions were definitely at that time

coming from you know, just the career change. But so you go from the peak to the valley and then the redemption. We're like on the we're like on the hill, like in the middle of the like middle yeah, yeah, yeah, Like we're not on the complete far side of the silver lining, but we see it, we feel it, we're we feel like we're there. We just feel like, especially now with our new label Home, we've never felt this

creatively free. And the fact that we're even getting to create a fourteen song story record that is completely so honest and true to us. I don't know, it just feels good to be back and in a creative space where you're really expressing what your soul wants to say. And the end of the record, it's like what three or four songs where it's all about redemption and it's all about this girl has her power back and she's

just like, you know, I'm good. I was, I went through some stuff that I'm good and I'm coming back. And now we were actually living the redemption side of things right now, like for real, to where it's like people will be like, oh, my gosh, you all look so good. I'm like, yeah, we feel bad. So they're like, oh, your skin looks so good. I'm like it has nothing

to do with my skin. I'm just really happy. Oh my gosh, I know, because everyone's like, your skin looks so good to both of us are like, oh he looks so d my girl. I'm just happy. This hair is crusty, but I just I'm just finding happy. If i'm can you use joy? I love that. Okay, I'm gona talk to you guys forever we've probably been talking, like, oh yeah, we've been talking for a long time after now, this whole thing has been super inspirational. So you're so inspirational.

I seriously when I was like, we're coming to do this, you need to know you are killing you You're totally doing How many appreciate that? And I keep trying to just like narrow it down, narrow it down because I I love country music, but I really just love the souls of the people behind it. This is really important, like that whatever you do, like go and chase everything, but this is like so special and so important. There's not many podcasts, like there's so many pockets. Was like, oh,

how how would be a good lover? You know, like or just like fun little like um just like pect soul living. Soul living is really because that's what I struggled with. I came in Nashville and I was like, I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be famous with the people love me, and ill find myself right. And I got far enough up the ladder chasing all that stuff to realize, Okay, this is not how you find love,

this is not find self worth. And as soon as one thing crashes, like the whole thing can fall apart, and if you don't have something deeper to lean on, you can really, really, oh man, lose it. And I had a goal on meltdown and break down and moved to Austin through my whole life awaye for a little while good. But I feel like so many people struggle with that, Like when something goes wrong, you feel like

your whole world's ending. But really you have to separate what is happening from who you are well, and if you are a spiritual person, God does not cause pain without purpose, So you have to know that, like any painful thing, like even like the speed bumps that we've been going through lately, still trying to get this song going and trying to make it work, Like every day there's a speed bump and I'm like, Okay, I'm hurting and it's hard and it's tricky, but like there's a

purpose for everything and sometimes you have to go through some stuff to appreciate you do you know what I mean? Could do? We didn't review it all differently now so much more appreciation. Okay, so let me wrap up, but leave your life because that feels like I like to end, would leave your life, So explain to me that, like what the point of this whole life is, this journey, what you guys are trying to do, Like if you're trying to talk to young women especially or women, like,

just leave some inspiration for us there. Connect with people. That's been my biggest life lesson life goal is just like to connect soul to soul, and I feel like, really connect, really connect, especially on the parts that maybe like we're talking earlier, you don't understand, but you're still going to connect because what makes them different than you is what makes them special and unique and just be kind.

I love that. I feel like for me, I think perspective, like always work on changing your perspective, like when it is bad, except that it's bad and it's not good, but just always know that it's going to turn around. Like just always try to flip that perspective, like obviously you know those people that are like it's gonna work out, like you think it's gonna be great, It's like, no, screw you totally. Just know that everything works together for

the greater good. And if you are a spiritual person like dig in y'all, I mean it is like just knowing your spiritual journey and I feel like that's so connected with your purpose. But every every single person has a purpose, like we all hear for a reason that person working. No one is a mistake and everyone has worth. So just no, like know your worth and always try to change your perspective. Don't be so stuck in a

closed minded situation. But I think connecting is so important to yeah you guys, yes, and I don't like I had I was just drinking, okay, and then my feet have we smelled to you just like the toast a pig fly. I love you so with today. Yeah I

know y'all are my therapist. Look at me. And that's what I want everyone to hear, is that you have to keep doing this because literally and then for your listeners for me, like on a plane when I'm like struggle alone, I'm like, oh my gosh, she totally gets it in her you know, the person she's interviewing, and she gets like it's just so when I feel like people could look at you guys and be like, they never understand what I'm going through, But really, y'all totally

understand what they're going for because everyone is just going through this. Why we are all way more similar than we think. There's less differences than there are, you know, similar, We're so similar so many ways, but we try to divide. But I really think this generation is going to stop the division. I don't think we all like our group of this whatever we're in, it's all. We don't hear about that. Yeah, totally, No one hears about trying to

get everyone classified and divide it up exactly. It isn't just like everyone let's all hang yeah, we need to do this like every Yeah. That wraps it. For Part one and Part two of Maddie and Taste Podcast, How much did you love that? Are they not the utest, most amazing, soulful girls you've ever met? I can't feel like they're so young and they have so much wisdom already that's incredible. I love them so much. Y'all get excited for their new album that's coming out. I know

it's going to be amazing, just like them. Love Maddie and Tay and we'll see you next week.