Maddie & Tae (part 1)

of expressing themselves. Tay is more introverted and Maddie is more extroverted, and they have figured out this way that works for them, and they talk all about it and talk about how important it is to be real and authentic. They're going to share all about their new music and why this is the most personal album they have ever made. And we're gonna do it in two parts. So here's part one of Maddie and Ta Cave. She's a queen

of talking got this. Hey, y'all, it's Caroline Hobby and welcome to my show, Get Real from the Music City capital of the World. In each episode, I get the real story from the most inspiring, interesting people in Nashville, Tennessee. I have done everything in the music entertainment industry. I was in the trio stealing angels with two top fifty country charting songs, a finalist and runner up on season twenty two and season twenty four of The Amazing Race.

You can currently catch me on CMTS hit show I Love Kelly Pickler. I am an entertainment news correspondent and host for the TV show Nashville Insider, and my podcast, Get Real with Caroline Hobby was featured on iTunes New and Noteworthy and charted on iTunes Top two podcast. I'm also married to the smoking hot front man Michael Hobby of the number one chart topping band A Thousand Horses. So buckle up and get ready to get real with me, Caroline Hobby. Welcome to my show. I'm so excited about

going to be married to day. I love these girls. Talked about empowered women. That is them. We're talking about everything, real life, touring, how they do it all, what their soul's calling is, how they found it many day. Oh my god, I have a way to dinner room forever do it? I were striking coffee. Wait, this is a cute Monday. I really need a day between Saturday Sunday. Why haven't they? How does you totally thing? Like, Hey, can we create a day between and that day's totally

day at our relaxation, and it just allowed me. This is the comfy count. I love this. Hey, you know what that slow? We really need a day. I watched it on someonech It's it's really Monday is today, isn't it? Ything? So good? You guys. So this is our first podcast we've ever oh yeah, but it was like one of my goals this year to do some podcasting. Are you serious? And so I can do your first one, you know? And I listened to years all the time, like right

before I get on flights. It's like I haven't downloaded the new ones yet because I'm not falling out to like Friday, but the new ones I'm gonna be getting on Thursday night and making sure that I have them. Girls, Oh my god. I listened the last ones where Mallory urban and j just southern, I don't even know around just just just paying, just totally totally. I just listened to those and I love them. I just you do really well at your job, like this is really this

is the perfect thing for you to do. Oh my gosh. I appreciate that guy. I feel like, as women we should do that more like remind each other like you're doing a really good job well, and that is I'm so glad to bring that up because I have been on a soul searching mission lately, just trying to figure out, like what am I contributing to the world. What can I bring to people that would inspire them that I have access to? And I'm like, Okay, I'm already doing

these podcasts interviewing the most interesting people. But really what my fan bases is women, most of them totally, and they want to know about empowered women, right and how you do what you do and how you like find your calling and the real life struggles of what looks like impowered women, like behind the scenes of what it takes to become Because Instagram it's like talking about perfect and lovely and it's like, wait, no, she has terrible days.

Sometimes you look in the me and you're like, girl, you are not cute. What's going on? Get it together? So I know I saw the way all the time. The other day, this is when I realized that my audience wants to hear about real life women stuff totally. Because the other day I posted this video on Instagram and I was pretty much back in every day, and I was just like, back, I mean in my underwear,

and I posted a picture of it. But then I thought to myself, I'm about to make every other person feel like total ship if they don't feel like they're vacuum their underwear for their man or what it's like, you know, because everyone's like, oh my god, trying to be sexy. But I was that I showed. Then I was like, okay, I have to show the other half of this, and I sat down. I showed like all my fat roles because I'm getting eight pounds hush, just like recently a pound, which is totally fine. But I

was just like, here's the real life back. It's not right entirely. And I got two hund messages in two hours. I've never gotten that in my whole life. So I was like, this is what people want to talk about, real life stuff. I'm so with you, Like I love like the surface stuff is so boring, Like I love just like getting in the soul, like take this, how did you explain it? The oh my gosh, Okay, so I've known Maddie for seven years. We've known each other

for seven How old are you guys? Because 'all are so young and so wise. But we were like fifteen sixteen, like she was fifteen string sixteen, and you know, we've known ited it for seven years, but it's like every day we learned something new about each other because that's just how it is. It's basically like a marriage, oh for sure. And every day you just like learn new

cowirk or learn new whatever. And so it's taken Maddie probably like several years because I like to think of myself as you bird, so explain that what I mean. She makes fun of me because I call myself unique and not straight. No, she called herself weird, and I said, you're not weird, and tell me why what makes you? I'm a very private, like even though what I do for um a living or career is like very vulnerable and open and yeah public, I'm still a really private person,

even with me and even to like stuff. And she's like my closest friend and I've known it for seven years and so you think, but I'm still just like really really private. But Maddie's like that kind of friend that sorry, I got to set my coffee mug, dumb. She's that kind of friend that, like, no matter how hard you don't want her to be in your heart.

I wanted to be in my heart, but like, see my heart, she just like takes these clyers and just like like a crane, just like just like I get one arm and I'm like, I she can reach anyone. So like you're so many people that have said that about her, But yeah, I just want wiggle my way into people. So y'all kind of yain And yeah, I want to talk to you about that because I feel like a lot of women do have a hard time opening up, Like why is it that? When? When is

it being vulnerable? Is it like putting yourself out there? Like because you know people can be so harsh and like the feedback or having letting someone in and giving them the ability to judge you on something that maybe you don't want anyone else's opinion, a little bit of all that just knowing the risk of Okay, I'm about to tell all these people this is what my heart looks like. How are they going to receive that? Or are they gonna like it? Or are they gonna hate it?

And you know, people are very open about their opinions and how they feel, and sometimes it's not easy to make exactly, and it's not easy to shut those things out. So I think that it's a little bit of all that, just like the fear. But Mattie and I have gone to the point where, you know, the people that like us are gonna like this and those that don't. Totally,

I feel like she's opened up. So yeah, just everything we've gone through with our career in the past year has definitely taught me a lot about just being secure and myself and the things that I go through are just going to make me better and asking for help. I think that's another problem not do okay, talk to me about that. Oh my gosh, Okay, I have I had to figure that out the hard way because our first year like out in about like because you guys came onto the scene and y'all came in with girl

in a country song and blew this world. I mean truly, because that was the first song and this bro error, which for all you guys listening, I don't know if people outside of Nashville notice, but there's like this bro thing happening where all these bro it's like the Bro Club. It's yeah, talk to me about that and how your song changed that because y'all really did something very different,

it was probably very scary to put out there. The interesting part with grow in a Country song was when we turned that song in there was a couple of people in the industry that told us that it could not be played on radio and no one would ever play it, no one would ever support it because it was too much. It was basically you're saying yeah, where we were just like, hey, every chick in these songs that are being played on the radio or in some

bikini they have, they're not saying anything. They just look hot. And all the music videos is these freaking girls with perfect bodies like climbing out of the lake, and I'm like, what the freak like is that? That is not like, let's let's be real here and absolutely just like doating

over the guy and I'm just like that. It's just but it's crazy because that conversation alone, someone looking at us and telling us that girl on country song could never seegle out of day, could have stopped our career right there exactly because are so young, so new, so impressionable at that were when we wrote this vulnerable and guy told you that didn't yea so dude probably told you that, and so someone looking you and I when you're just like wanting to impress everyone and make a

print on this town, which is so hard to do. We could have just said, okay, you know what, we tried, We're going to go home, but it's no, We're like, no, we really think this message needs to we heard. So it's a drop push for it. Oh yeah. Yeah. We played it at around and then we got a record deal, so it was like, I mean, this is the thing.

There was mixed feelings where it's like there's some people that were like, don't play it, like that's going to be a mess, and then some people were like just tryal whatever, So we I mean, and then when we started playing it out, like before we got on the road, there was times where we were we were writers around with men that you know, had written songs like that, and it was so awkward for them because it was like we played this song and they're like, oh crap,

like my song is totally like just making a woman look like just a little side piece, like she's not valued. And you know what, I'll tell you and I turned on country radio now and we're not the reason for this I think there's just so many conversations that have been started the past like five years about equality and empowerment for women and everything. But I haven't heard any of those songs in a long time where I just felt like, as a woman, like I'm such a country

music fan. I want to be a fan of all the guys, all the girls, kind of everyone. But when I would hear these songs, you know, like four years ago when we wrote girl, I was like, I don't want to be that. I don't want to be that chip because I have nothing to say. I want to have value. I don't just want to be some little because I don't look like the model in that video. I don't relate to you know what I mean like and you know, and that's what you're going for. You

want to go for your talent. You have rain your brain total. So you guys wanted to show your empowered side, which is sometimes hard to figure out. Like I know, in my twenties, I would get so much praise and I would be sexy. And actually I had a friend, a young friend of mine, and I just had lunch with the other day. He's like making her way in the music industry and she's just naturally very sexy. She loves to dance, that's her thing. But it's like, what

how do you navigate that? Because that whole being sexy and being empowered. I think you can do them both. But it is like back in how it used to be the voice that girls are sexy. That's it, and you really we don't really care about what you have to say. My advice would be in or at least the way that I So I don't really give off like a sultry vibe. I'm more of like just a like a very like friend zony vibe with guys, but yeah, friends, But with that stuff, I would say, like pick your moments.

So it's like if you carpet you feel like, you know what, I really want to feel sexy. There's been times where I'm like, you know, I tell our style is I'm like, I want to I want to feel sexy. I want to feel like a woman, and like I don't really have a ton of curves, but I just want to show, you know, like not you know, show everything.

I'm just feel good, it feels sexy. But then you know, like when we walk into a radio station and you know, most of country radio is really great about this, Like it's not we haven't ran into it as much as most. We've ran into a couple of times. But when I know that we're going into a radio station, it's a business thing. It's like this is our work. I'm like, I'm not going to have my boobs out. I'm not gonna wear booty shorts because for me, I don't feel

sexy that way. I feel sexy when they are listening to what I have to say, and I feel sexy when they are like really grasping the message. So it's like no distraction, Yeah, no when to um like know what your sexy is for each environment. So it's like that. It's like with your man, it's one thing. With your girlfriends, it's one thing. Because like her and I we were like when we went to Jamaica for this show that we were doing, it was like a thing for a

radio station. I was like, girl, I'm up where a bathing suit. I'm gonna have a booty cheeth because it was like, you know, there wasn't a ton of people, it wasn't business or anything. But when it was time for business, it was like, yeah, I want them to

pay attention. To my brain, and I think to also love that and play a little bit of Devil's advocate, because there's two sides of it all, you know, for women, because I'm very much on the same side of her as where I feel most confident when people are understanding me and I feel like they're listening to me and viewing me as you know, an equal and not as

a sexual being. But for some weeks, for some women, it's you know, they want to rely on their sexuality and they want to rely on their attractiveness and their looks, and that's totally fine. I think that's also the route you take. Being comfortable and just knowing that your strength and what you choose to put out there and just rocket like, don't put it out there and then and

and like the ore. Whatever it is, if it's your sexuality, if it's your writing, if it's you're singing, if you just want to play guitar, like, whatever it is, just stick to that and know that that's your strength and don't be afraid that that is your strength. And that also brings me to another thing I really want to focus on, which is soulfull living, like living from your soul, feeling like living parts. It is harder. I feel that way because you have to dig in every day. You

do that, Okay, so explain to me. Because you girls have been through so much. You've been top of the world, superstars, and then you've seen like transition, you've seen everything it's been, which is what this industry is, and everyone just sees the high row. But now with Instagram, actually feel like people are getting to see more of the real stuff, which is right. But how do you find how do you get to your soul and live from your soul every day? Like what are your techniques to do that

without getting lost in this world? That's a great question. I think for me, the way that I recharge in general is my alone time. And I also find that my alone time and being quiet with myself is also how I reach my soul. And you're just able to listen to your own thoughts with them, which I think is important because we live in a society where it's very easy to be persuade or pressure to think a certain way or have a certain opinion, and you kind

of forget what is my own opinion on this? Do I even have a feeling or is it suade by what? Someone else thinks. So I think just taking the time to listen to yourself total and see I'm opposite. So you've done, Like can who are you guys? I'm number two, I'm the helper. Okay, what are you? Number four? The romantic So I'm emotional. Every friends are romantic. Floor He's a four and she's a nine. I'm a nine. You're a peacemaker. Made like our whole family take the Instagram

and then we all had to compare it. It has so for me, I'm like so extroverted, and I like, this is how my soul gets feeled, like you talking about this, so like the way that I like, if there's something wrong or I'm like hurting or something, if I talk to someone and I like talk it out, I feel great. Like our manager Haley, she has been one of the most influential people in our career and

just one of our favorite people to be around. But she um has this system with me where she knows when I'm upset and so she's like, let's just talk about Like I'll just call you and I'm like, oh, no, you're busy, and then I just like talk it out. She's like, oh, then you're good. You're good. You're not having a mouthdown. You're totally good, no breakdown. I'm like, oh yeah, I just needed to say it. I just didn't have to get it out. They have a backboard.

But someone who has good knowledge, yes, And I love like getting like I feel like when I get to know someone else's heart, I like get to note mine a little more too. I see that you know what I'm absolutely you see similarities. You're like, oh, okay, this is this is soul living to connecting on this. Yeah, what is your thing? I'm curious because I want to I want to integrate, like I need to do alone time. I'm just really bad at it because I love to

be around people. I don't like being by myself. Very needy listening as are a handful, are a handful. But I envy you guys because y'all, I don't know if every four is this way. But reading y'all, obviously I have. I read on it just to know my boyfriend better. But um, it says that y'all are very comfortable. Not comfortable, it's comfortable the wrong word. But you are aware of your feelings and so aweeling exactly and see as a nine, I'm like, oh gosh, I push it away. It's like

it doesn't exist. So I envied that side of you. Guys. I think that's so impressive that you're able to look at your heart. You know. I am feeling that because I don't show from acting some kind of way and I'm like, why am I acting like this? And I'm not. That's another can break that down because I feel like so many people do that. I do that too as

a four. Yeah. Also, but it's like I can easily figure out what somebody needs for me, or if someone has a very big personality, I can easily be like, Okay, this is your personality, how can I fit into your vibe totally? But then I don't myself, so I'm trying not to do that. Yeah, I get like that to where like I want to accommodate or like I just are like, for example, I won't I won't like say names.

But we went and played this show like a week ago, and there was like one guy that had like a really big personality and he and he meant well, but he kept just doing like weird stuff, like saying real weird things, and so I was like, how can I like not make you look so uncomfortable because you are being uncomfortable, But like, how can I make it to where this isn't as awkward as it actually is? Like

you know, right? And so I feel like I'm always trying to accommodate that, Like even if it's someone else is being weird, I'm like, yeah, someone saying even if I'm saying some like and she's like, what she means is like thanks, I just wanted your message exactly, Like she's really good about the part of me is like, why am I trying to cater to everyone? Like why can't I just walk? Because women? I know, why do women do that? What? My mom was like that too,

Like she caters to every single person but herself. But now she is, you know, in her fifties. What happened in her fifties? How did she what? She went through a lot of stuff. So my grandfather passed away in February, and so her yeah, her dad, and so that kind of tru she's just been through a like her brother passed away really tragically a couple of years ago, and um, she's just because she's just a tough cookie and she's super mom and super wife and just like always extra

mile every everything. She works full time and like has a huge position at an oil and gas company in Houston, so she works with like all men. Like it's like her and one other woman. She just handles that she's just the best. But growing up I saw her and

and your mom too because she's the same way. But they your mom just does so much and Dad's do a lot too, But women can multitask and do it all at the same time, can be like one thing and the thing is like men, I feel like with my dad, he can do one thing so freakingerfectly, like like put so much focus in it and crush and then mom does like ten things and like five of them are great, you know, because there's five other things

that she just doesn't have time for you. And then that's why women are always like spinning place to stress as so many hats. Totally do you feel like with your husband you have to like delegate where it's like, Okay, I have literally fifteen things I need to like just like can you do this? Can you do this? I know I normally do it, but can you do this for me? With Michael, it's really interesting because he's an artist obviously, what's his indiogram? He is a seven should

that's a good guy. He's just great because he is the good time guy. Me, what is the seven called. It's a good not the achiever. It's like adventure basically. It's like basically they he wants to have a good time all the time. If he can avoid hitting onto heavy deep topics he's going to he will go into and like I will force him to go down in his habit hoole. That's how you work so well together because I basically forced him into therapy with me every

day because I just chatted out with me as a therapist. Yeah, that's why I'm like for me, like, I've like thought about going to therapy because I like, I just hear amazing things and it could just be I do go to therapy and change my life. See, I feel like I need to do it time. I'm like, I talk so much about how I'm feeling to people, Like it's like my dad's kind of my therapist. My mom she is, Yeah,

I need to like actually do that. One day, I went to therapy together before we got married, went to therapy together because we went we were together four years. We broke up two years and then we got back together, and I was like my free marital or was free marital and we eloped and so I was like, that's what he wants to do. I'll tell you everything. Okay,

we'll talk about that next. But I was like I had helped myself so much with therapy because I was going like every week for a year when we were broken up, and he was like growing in his own way. But I was basically like, we're not getting back together and gonna do this if we don't get our heads rightly. So Smart the therapist is amazing because she broke our

personalities down to three people. She's like, you have your wounded child and her name is Susie, and she's at the estuary child, what happened to you when you were a child that like imprinted you, scarred you, like hurt you so badly that your middle chair manipulator is trying to avoid that pain at all costs to your middle chair manipulator is spinning plates, trying to ever touch on

those hot buttons. But then you come over here to your third chair, which is your truth chair, and that's just the truth, what is real, the facts and so she would make Michael and I go through all of our stuff and then she'd be like, op, you're talking from your first chair, so we'd have to go sit in the first chair and she'd be like, now what would your truth chair? Saying she makes sit in the truth chair until we could figure out what our truth was.

And that was so helpful. It was so helpful just to like realize, I have so many people have been here and most of them are crazy, but here's the truth. I mean, the way compartmentalizing to me is like it fixes everything everything when you're able to view things as they are in different so it's not just one jumbled mess that you're looking. That's just like chatting. You're actually getting tools to help yourself. You're like, oh, I'm in my middle chair, manipulator, and that would be like, oh,

you're in your middle chair anymore. Because we've find so good just like living this life. That's awesome. But we'd be in the beginning and be like, oh, you're in your middle chair, totally shooting the moment chair, and then you'd be like a moored to doing that. I really want to do that whole thing because I've been with

my guy for seven years. And so yeah, so we were together in high school for a year, broke up for a year, and then got back together and it was like on like Peo were like and adually, how did you handle your fame exploding and your career exploding while navigating this relationship? So he knew me when I went to my first like vocal lesson before I even met take, like him and I were baking. So he doesn't like, he loves who I am, not what I do. So it's really nice to come home and he just

doesn't He's proud, but he doesn't really care. And um, you know, he's like super supportive and everything, but for him, he's just like, go do your thing, like go do you. But I will say with being together for so long, we have figured out that both of us have amazing parents.

But obviously every person goes through different childhood memories and things kind of pop up and things will trigger, you know, hard memories, great memories, you know, stuff like that, and so we have been figuring out like our seventh year, I feel like it's all about digging that stuff up

and like talking about it. Like I know, like there's certain things that if I do like it brings him back to his childhood of like really hurt things and I can't do that, Like like that's some say with me, But I never really thought about that until like this year. We've been just like sitting down with a bottle of line and just doing the word out totally, like doing the dirty work where you just get and and that's the one thing with like Instagram, everyone's like, oh, relationship goals.

I'm like, it's not relationship goals until you dig deep in there to that. And so many people, I feel like, don't do that with their relationship and so then they end up being in love with this person. And obviously some people like you date and it's not a match and you should break up, right, But if you go to the point where you're going the distance, you're thinking

about marriage, you're in this thing to win it. I feel like so many people don't do that, Diggy, But really that is what's gonna, I feel like, save you in the long run, because it's gonna come out. It's totally going to come out more than yes. Yeah, yes, that's also wisem iniogram changed my life because when you're able for me, if I was to like get in a disagreement with somebody, I would take everything that they

said very personally. They're like, oh, like I'm sensitive, that hurt my feelings and I would make it all about me and not realizing that that's just their personality. If they want to take things, you know what I mean, it's them not e going to do with me. There do their perspective, their way of looking at things. It has nothing to do with me. And that was something about the Instagram that I've learned cause I know my parents Instagram and it hurts, you know, like my brother,

like you're loved at you. It's like change my life. And I've been able to love people in a way that I've I've never been able because you're able to see how they understand, understand them, and love and cherish them for all of their quirks and realized you don't match on all the time and you don't have to, you know what. I feel like both of us have learned a lot the past couple of years. And for me this was really hard because I grew up in

Texas in a very conservative household. Like my dad's very strong, like very very just like hardheaded, like in a great way, but just that Texas, that Texas stubbornness all up in my family. But I have learned, like make relationships with people that are opposite of you, So like, don't just hang out with people that are like you. Don't just hang out with cultures with you know, with your career, with whatever it is, like it makes it up. Always put someone different and new in your life and like

try to learn from them. Because I totally was guilty of just hanging out with people that were like me because I understood them and then it didn't challenge you and scared and then for us, like going through as much as we've been through the past two years, I was like, I have to understand her, Like I know when I was hurting, I needed to call her and tell her I was hurting, and she listened to me. And I was always like why didn't Why isn't she

telling me what's wrong? And she's like the way that I deal it was like, yeah, she needs her time and then she'll call me when its internalize everything. So how what is that? Like? What goes on when you're so basically like what do you mean? Like when it's okay to say something happens. Something happens that was not desirable, say like a big career speed bump happ totally totally that like you're not wanting to happen. Um, So immediately

I go on my brain. I feel like it's Mandy and I talked about this movie all the time, but inside out, Yes, you kids, movie, you have to go. So it's a movie and it's basically about this girl and all of the emotions that live inside your head. Sounds so crazy. I don't have a different so it's like all it's like animated and it's all the little like emotions in your head, so anger, um, happy, sad, hungry,

like whatever. And for me, it's easy for me to kind of go inside because I can't if someone says something to me and I need to respond in a very mature kind, it's marked way, like I can't do it right away. I have to think about it. I have to think of the best route. Like I analyze every situation. I'm like, Okay, I could say this, but then it might lead to this. I could do this,

but then it might lead to that. So I literally in my mind I have to go down every road and what it would look like long term before I react to anything. I wish I did that just kidding things. I'll just say it with a smile though, like you. But but in the fault in that is it can make people think that I'm disinterested or that I'm not hurting because a lot of the times you probably thought that I'd like, I don't feel the same way as you. Know.

I knew, but I was just like waiting. But yeah, so a lot of the times it can make people think that I'm just like really upset or really angry or I don't care. But the really has exploded. In reality, I've exploded, and once I figure out which lane I'm going to take and then I will react. I know you're freaking out and cannot wait to hear part two of Maddie and Taste, So y'all gotta hang ontil next week.

But we're coming back with one more round of the incredible Maddie and Tay, and we're going to keep getting deeper and deeper into all of their world, all of their thoughts, how they cope, how they do this life. It's all coming at you next week. So we'll see you next week.