Luke Pell

Luke pell joining me. I know all y'all watched The Bachelorette and y'all all were rooting for him to win. I am so surprised he didn't win. I thought he was gonna be the one. But he talks all about his journey on the Bachelorette, what goes on behind the scenes, his whole life story, which is so insightful. He is so wise for his young age and his country music career.

So you guys, get excited. Here is Luke Peale And if you want to watch this interview, go to my website Caroline Hobby dot com and click watch and you can see the whole thing here is how are you? How you doing good? Thanks for having me on. I'm so happy to have you here. I'm glad to be here as early as it is a fresh face. Though. Hey, I tried to get up and just hold it together. You have like a daily routine that you do in the morning. It's called rollover, put a T shirt on,

and go for it, say a guy. It is so you guys don't even know how lucky you have. I know, yeah, i'd be I'd be a terrible girl. I mean because I have to curl her hair, put on makeup, do the whole thing. It's I don't know how you guys do it. It's like hours of every day. It's spent like find it exhausted. Yes, And you can just like run your hands through hair. Yeah yeah, so not really

just sleep well and you're fine. Okay, So I want to start off with a little rapid fire because everyone knows you from The Bachelor at you kind of rose to fame on that. But there's so much more. We're going to cover it all, but gonna sart a little rapid fact it. Okay, So the first thing that comes to mind dating complicated? Yeah, what's so complicated about dating? Everything? Now? You know, it's like from being because that's I mean, that's how everybody knows me now is because the TV show.

So is it hard to date on TV? Um? No, it's actually simple to date on TV because everybody knows the drill. Like it's like, you know, it's a thing you have, you know, producers basically telling you what your rules are? What are your rules how to date? Are your rules of dating on the show? You have a date card today? So you get to go on it eight with somebody. You know. It's like you don't you

can't like text somebody or like column or whatever. You just have to give no prerogative of your of your own. It's all like basically based off of what you're allowed to do. So yeah, so it's like, ah, today I'm gonna go on a one one day. We're gonna go dog sledding to the woods of Pennsylvania in a go cart and then we're gonna go to a concert and uh, you know whatever. You have a hot tub in the woods. So it's like okay, great, always just go for it.

Got the hot there's always a hot tub. Scene. Maybe two hot tubs scenes per season, so you gotta get a good make out in the hot tub. I got the first hot tub scene. I wouldn't I wasn't mad at that good. Is it interesting having having how many guys are on there? Usually? Is it interesting having one girl? Like what if you don't have chemistry with that girl? And like did you know who the girl was before? No, we didn't know, And so what if you see he

and like you just aren't feeling it? Well, we had, we had, we kind of knew it was like one of two girls before we get there. Um, like what if it's not a man? But yeah, if it's not a match, I mean I think some guys they stay around and you have a couple of choices. You can decided to be like the villain of the show, and then you can stay around if you want to participate longer. That that would be Chad. Yeah, he was crazy. He

was crazy. And that's the first, like the first question I always get, like, oh, you're in a a Bachelor that's awesome? Uh is it scripted? And then usually the next question is was Chad that crazy? He just drives that question. Everybody asked me that airport, Starbucks wherever I'm at. Well, he just had like anger. I felt like, yeah, well I think that um he might have had. He might have had it was a little disillusioned with with what

he was getting into. And then once he saw that that frustration that he showed kind of paid off and was like the producers like kind of rewarded him for it. Then it became a thing. You know, they like the character he was building. Yeah, and so it's kind of like you know, creating, you know, like like a storyline, like somebody has like a dog and they like torment it. It becomes like fighting becomes its thing, you know. And

so that's right, like what they did. I would keep poking the bear until ages that's not very nice, became the full beast that Chad is, you know, the full, the full chat full chat bear, the full reality TV villain of all time. Did you have any best friends that you met on the show? Um, you know, it's funny. You're like competing and stuff against each other trying to date the same person. So all the guys that are most similar to each other on the show are also

in the most competitive for each other. So you don't really become friends on the show that much. You kind of do because it's kind of a weird deal. Again, it's a reality TV, so it's not the same as it is in the real world, so people, the jealousy and stuff is not the same. But I think after

the same. It's just like you know, if you start dating somebody in the real world and you've been dating on three months or whatever, and you find out that they're texting someone else or like piss, Yeah, it's like a big deal, Like you're mad, like you feel like a trust thing. There's issues and always and on there. It's kind of like, well whatever, like you know, you already know night one, she's just probably making out with three other guys in the next time after you are.

So is that like crazy on the brain? Yeah, I mean a little bit, But I mean I think I bet it's might be harder for girls. I don't know if it's hard for girls and guys are used to it because guys don't usually emotionally get us emotionally, yeah, exactly like women. I feel like being the Bachelor would actually be maybe harder because girls can go crazy exactly, they get very volatile, like emotionally, Yeah, so, um, but

you know, we kind of know how it goes. So I think the guys after the show is the thing where you end up making friends, um, you know, better than when we were on there, because it's like you have time back in the real world to get to know each other. It's like my buddy Wells Adams that's here. Yeah. So like you know, we've become really good friends since the show, you know, just probably because we're both in Nashville, but you know, we're just both you know, similar about

how we live our lives. We're both you know, someone in the entertainment industry as well, and it's just we have a lot of common so um. So Wells is one other body of mine, um who's been going through a lot of tough stuff outside of TV lately is Chris Souls, who was the guy from Iowa who was a bachelor like three years ago. Oh yeah, and and so we've done some events together over the past year and became really close, became good friends, and uh, he's

seemed like a sweetheart. He's a great he's a really good guy. He really is. Love Chris. He's a great people person and uh, just you know everybody that meets him, loves him to death as he's just a great guy, you know, and so it's unfortunate that, um, he had to go through, um this accident, everything that he's been dealing with over the last couple of weeks. Um, but you know, things happen, and you know, you never know

when accidents are going to happen. Trategies what happened. So anyway, so yeah, vachel Nation sticks together, Huh, they do they You know, Bachelor Nation is is such an interesting thing now that this whole last year, I've gotten to be exposed to it and kind of understand like, oh, everybody from past seasons, we all have this bond, this common bond that we've all been through the same thing. You know, We've been through this reality TV like lab rat social experiment.

So we have this like it's totally the way to put it, hume, because no one really understands, right've been like through that for eight weeks, and I mean it's like you're just completely um, you know, taken away from the rest of the world, isolated from the rest of the world and no phone, on internet all this stuff. So he's like, oh my god, this is this is like no other experience in my life, and it's involving

heartstrings and love, which adds a new element. It's not just like a reality show where you're like reality show, but you're also supposed to be emotional and really vulnerable and wanting to maybe get married. Married I mean, at the end of the show, is the biggest thing decision. Yeah, yeah, so we'll keep inching closer to the Hunger Games every every season in the Batchel bastlor At. How did it feel though, to make it all the way to end? Did you get fourth or third? I can't believe Robbie

got second. I means a good guy. I know he's a great guy, but how does it feel to get that close and to feel like you have this connection and then to realize that other people have it too. I'm sure you're so tired. We just have to talk about a little No, I'm good. It's it's uh yeah, it's it's a little bit. It's really weird. I mean at the end, people are like, oh, is it fake, scripted? Whatever? Um?

And I always tell him, you know, it's like when you do go to the hometown time frame, like when you're like introducing them to your family, and stuff, and you're like, okay, wait a minute, this this is no longer just circus tricks and like reality TV, like one of us is going to like really bring this person back to Christmas this year, you know what I mean with the family. Is that an exciting thought or is that a terrifying thought? It's just a little bit of both.

It's just like a very sobering thought. You're just like that's when you got really introspective. At that point, You're like, Okay, let's go through this in my mind, like is this the right person for me? Like you would do in real life about thinking about like you know, is that person the right person or the right time in your life to get me married? And you just go back through that you know, kind of list of priorities and say, oh am I ready. So yeah, did you actually when

you how did you sign up for the Bachelor? How did you even get on this journey? Any story? My So the lady that did my hair, You've got great hair, so you got to trust her opinion. I mean she doesn't she's a great job. Yeah. So the lady that did my hair, This is like a year before I was actually called by the casting department she had kind of like she tried to set me up people that came into the slat. She's like, you should meet this girl.

This is actually back in Texas when I was like half and half back in Texas, Like this was three year almost four years ago, now, okay, because you're from Texas in the army. Yeah, and then moved to Nashville to do music before the Batchlart. Yes, I was. I did the military for nine years and then I was in corporate America for about like three years. What um. I was an engineer in old company in Oklahoma City

doing all this stuff. Yeah, and then I worked for consulting firm good sales and some business development things for them UM down near Houston, Texas. And so that's where I was at that point. And so she tried to set me up with some people that she's like, you know what, it doesn't work out, I'm just gonna sign you up for the Bachelor. That's what you should do. I was like, you know, we kind of made a joke out of it, like that's funny whatever, and she

really did it. And then a year later they called me and they're like, hey, we had this packet turned in. I don't know, maybe somebody else turned one into and uh, and so I was like, sure, why not, they should be coming to Nashville. We want to interview you. So we met over at the Sheridan and uh, they like did like a little mock interview on camera, and um that was it and they flew in too, l A. We did the full on um you know, producer meetings there and then we were filming like a month later,

So yeah, that's pretty quick. The whole thing is I can't kiss people unless I liked them. And obviously now I'm married, so like I don't have to worry about that. But if I wouldn't have had a connection with someone, I don't think I could make myself make out of them. I mean I think there was probably some people that were on the whole season that didn't make out with her, and that's why that there was never they stayed there,

but there was never like that physical chemistry. And they talk about that how it's like we just don't have the connection or Okay, but what if you didn't have a connection but you were about like three glasses of wine deep, Well, I'd have to be three for sure, because that's the other that's the other trick. They just like feed the alcoholic people. They're like everybody anybody can make out handle See what they'll say, see what they'll do.

Everything just goes up by a great percentage of the likelihood of just people saying crazy things and a crazy things, and to be hammered on national TV making out is like crazy the crazies stuff that happen behind the scenes or the honest scenes that like, I mean, it's just weird, Like you know, you like most people I've never seen myself. Are you making out with somebody? Did you? Like? I don't know what it looks like? Well, I mean I

heard it was actually good. A lot of people like this lady comes to the show last week in Pittsburgh. She's like seventy, you know, and she's like, I watched that hot tubs scene with you every night. I was like, I don't know if that's like was freaky. I was like, oh my god, you're a sweet littlettle lady. And I don't know how I felt about this right now, A little embarrassed ladies got to get their rocks off too. I was like, all right, fair enough, you you watched

that hot tub scene. Okay, that's hilarious. Yeah, anyway, that was kind of weird watching, you know, like yourself do that. But I went through it, and you learned a little like all the new you get annoyed watching all the things that you kind of knew you did, but you didn't stop doing what annoyed you about yourself. Just you know.

I would like when I got nervous, for instance, I was trying to get in a deep conversation at dinner or something, I would start saying like a lot when I was trying to think my way through my words and very carefully navigate how what I was talking about, I was like, you know, like and I was like, oh my god, I said like forty seven times in that conversation. That's so annoying. But you know, it's just a little things. So do you feel like Jojo and Jordan are a good match? Yeah, they seem to be.

Do you think you would have been happy if you were the one? Would you still be together? Um? Yeah, I think we would too. Yeah. I mean, so I'm one of those people that you know, and maybe people are mad at me for this, but I don't think there's just one person in the whole world. Some people are like, oh, there's there's that one person that's right

for you. I don't think that's necessarily true. I think there it just depends on the situation and kind of just it's a choice you make, and you can make that great and make that choice you know worthwhile, um after the fact. But I think you just have to live with your choice of who you end up with, you know, and that's part of it, and you kind of grow together and build a relationship together. But it's not necessarily one person is going to be better than

the other, but you know, maybe different. So what are your views on marriage considering you went on like marriage show? I mean what about I mean, I think I love marriage. I think my parents are such an inspiration to me. They've been married literally thirty thirty nine years and uh so, I mean they were married when they were one years old and they just stayed together the whole time. And uh would you have they given you any marriage advice?

Have you learned anything from their marriage? Yeah? You know, it's one of those things. I when we came home to film the show, I was asking my dad, like having the conversation on Canada, do you feel about it, right, and so it's on camera. So it's like, I don't know, if you know, people are you're a little bit more careful with what you say and how you say it, and you kind of reach for deeper conversations and things

and maybe you wouldn't the other situations. So I was like, you know, how did you know that mom was the right one when you decided to get married? And he was. He told me, he said, you know, we had been broken up, and um, He's like, I couldn't live a day without her. He's like, that's how He's like, So I had He's like, I came back and he's he's like, there's one day I just came back to town and I just told her how I felt I couldn stay

away from her. I was like, oh my god. I was like, I've never heard my dad say that day the story before, and so anyway, I think that, you know, it was just interesting, you know, going through that and and hearing it just it really opened my eyes up to even my you know, myself, my family and just the whole situation kind of what my what I want for my future, made me think about it, maybe verbalize it, maybe talk about it. So what if now a verbalizing

your future and your ideal plan. What is like your five your five year dream plan for Lupell tenure dream plan. That's always a moving target. Uh, you don't have it all nailed down. I haven't got it all nail down. Maybe some people do. I don't know. That's great. Um No, I'm so happy to be. I got to a point where I got out of the military and then I went to this is that experience because that's amazinging and a huge part of your life. You have podcasts on

podcasts about just the military experience. But um, I was in nine years, four years in um College, which as at West Point, which is like in the summertime we do military training, and then you're basically you know, I played football there, so you go to school and I played a sport during uh you know, spring and fall semesters, and then in the summer we do like military training. So anyway, that was four years, then five years. I was an officer afterwards, and you were in Afghanistan for

how many years? I was in an Afghanistan for a year. So it was amazing. What did you learn? What's your takeaway from all that? Because that's a huge perspective that most people don't get to see. I think that, you know, um, I think it's just for people to It opened my eyes to the rest of the world, you know, and

my worldview was so much broader after that. How did it broaden, you know, once I've seen a third world country as we came and see that, Hey, you know, this is the other end of the spectrum of you live this um this privileged twenty one century Western eyes life and in the US where you can do completely whatever you want with your life, or do nothing with your life and l repercussions for it, um or you

can you know. Also there's these people that are living in Afghanistan that have nothing to their name other than you know, a bag of rice and a car battery to keep a flashlight on and their mud hut at night, you know. And so you just see that the spectrum of humanity and and then and then also this whole situation of war is thrown into the same thing, and

you're in the middle of it. And now you're you're a you know, you're a a part of a vehicle catalyst of the war, you know, in acting in that um war and so it's just a really interesting thing to go through that and how did that make you feel with all those different thoughts happening. So, I mean, it's a lot. I think it's different for a lot of different people. It depends on your background, on what

you come through. You know, my undergrad was in sociology, so I kind of had a foundation of understanding people and culture and why people do the things that they do. And so I think I was really glad that I studied that in school and then came out with that degree because it helped me kind of understand that culture, understand my soldiers culture and what they're going through and how to deal with those, you know, life and death situations.

And you know, there's just there's just so many things that we can unpack about, you know, issues that so wliers deal with being away from their own families, um, being in combat, um, you know, dealing with another culture,

of the differences in the two cultures. Like, there's just so much and then and then there's a whole like theoretical political science conversation of why you're there in the first place, why you're you know, why your nation is even involved in that, and all these things so you're trying to prioritize and make and rationalize and make sense for why you're there, why you do what you do, all those things. It's just a it's a lot to the process. Do you feel like you ever fully know

the full reason for why you're there? Um? I think that you have to come to terms with what's your responsibility and what your role is. And that's not to figure that out like sure, you can lay in bed and night and kind of think about it casually if you want, but you know, if you're in the military, you're an officer in the military, you're you have to find what your role is and redefine that every day and say, it's to lead these soldiers and and this

is my world. And I take what I'm given from this hierarchy of of the military that we've developed in

this country that I signed up to serve. And you go and you you know, you lay out that plan and you you know, you try to keep your guys safe and try to accomplish those objectives in that mission, and you bring them home and that's what that's what you do at the end of the day functionally, and then you can think and theorize about why you're there and why you're personally involved in it, and all those things later, you know, but at the end of the day,

you just have to try to keep those guys safe and and and do your job to just keep your

your mind focused on your task at hand. Just learn to play your role, because I think so many times and that's what's one of the things that so many you know, college kids today and I feel like old saying that, but college kids today they really take this whole like freedom of speech thing to hold on a level where it's like they feel like they have the right to judge and call people out and other other circles of the world that they have no right or

you know, um, they have no business like making those judgments, are saying those things. They don't know anything about it, like that entile one that they feel that they can and they haven't been there, that's not their role, and yet they'll want to, like you know, rapidly you reach out and react and protests about things, and like, look, you know, no know your role, theorized about it, write a book about it, whatever your feelings are, but you know it's not They get outside of their bounds a

lot of times. So that's a whole political conversation. So what's your perspective on our culture considering you did one of the most American things you could ever do beyond the Bachelor, you know, and then you also have served in the army, which is the most broadening your mind for other perspectives. So you have these two extreme contrasts happening here. How do you combine those two worlds and make sense of it all? And what do you take for What do you take from that? Because you've been

on both ends of the spectrum. It's a lot, and it can be kind of disconcerting at a certain point if you tried to and overwhelming, like if you tried to take it all in and let it affect you. And I think that was the big thing that I learned, the overarching lessons I learned to prioritize my life and keep moving forward and find what's important in my life? What is it? Back to that and so um that also came full circle when I was in those corporate jobs.

I uh, you know, people would say, you know, if you do what makes you happy, you never work a day in your life, you know, And I got to really being reflective about that whole thing. And those jobs were good, the money was good, that people were good, my resume was good, all those things. But I wasn't happy, you know. I was like, I had this thing. I wanted to go back to Nashville. I wanted to be back in that community or this community that I'm in now. And so UM, I wanted to be in music and

I wanted to learn how to be a songwriter. Not for the money, but because it was something that was always this underlying theme of what I felt in my life and think something that evoked emotion to me, and you know, it just made me. It helped me stay centered and stay focused on what was important in my life, about family and relationships and those type of things. I mean. And you find out life is short. You know. When I was twenty six, my last six had six months

up in the military. I was in El Paso, Texas. UM I was a captain in the army. UM I had already been to Afghanistan. All these sayings. It was in the best shape of my life. UM I had my wisdom teeth out. This is this is an interesting place with stories going. I got an infection that got in my heart. Like a week after I haven't wisom teeth outeth they never really knew. They didn't do the bio off sea. But I got an infection the gout in my heart and um, so then like I was

in ICU for five days, almost died. I was in a VA hospital in El Paso. And so that was like a time in my life. I was like super shocking because it blindsided me. You know, I wasn't prepared for it. Mentally. I was kind of like ten feet tall and bulletproof to the world, is how I felt, um going into that. And so then it just took me, took me back, you know that It was like wildlife is short, you know, I could I could have died

in that hospital at twenty six years old. It was no really reason why or just a freak accident and freak you know thing came over me. What did that do to your thinking when that happened. Yeah, so I went So then I went through a whole time like the next year after that, I was going through a time where I was trying to to deal with anxiety, like health anxiety only things that I had never dealt

with before, like anxiety because what happened. Why do you have anxiety just because you feel like you're like once your heart is kind of like the central piece of you. You're not sure if it's gonna work on any given day or quit on you, and you don't know why. It's like, you know, behaving the way that it is. Um you feel like, oh, I might have a heart attack or and then it's like that's tied to anxiety symptoms.

So then it's like this this like vicious cycle of like, oh, now I'm having hard palpitations and now I feel like I'm going to have another like hard episode that you can only know like why you had in the first place. So it's like this mental it's just like a cycle that you're trying to fight through. So like before that, you know, I was just getting out of West Point. I was like, you know, a tough guy, just getting

in the army and stuff. You know. I would hear some of my head anxiety or depression or whatever, and like deal with it. You get over like you're totally you know, you're kind of soft, you know. And then after that whole hard thing happened to me and then Open Mines, I was like, wow, that's like anxiety is a real thing. Like you can physically be just um, basically paralyzed because of what's going on in your head.

You know, it feels like you have a lot of acceptance for people and things now, Like you lived through so many situations. I feel like you have a lot

of grace and acceptance. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean that's that's what all those different things, I mean, we went through like this perfect form of personal experiences, personal health, weird, you know, rare things that happened to me, and then the military thing, and then just just so much that happened that allowed me to become accepting but also become focused on what my parties were in life, like what

was important in life? You know. Do you think we have to go through like heartbreaking situations and like situations that bring us to our knees to make us appreciate life on a fuller level? I think so. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to wish that on people, but it's hard to see people going through it too. It's the best way, absolutely, but it's the best way for people to really learn and come to terms with that. Um. They can read in a book, reading an article or whatever, and they

won't get it unless they've really experienced it. You know, it won't stick. Sometimes maybe it does, but you know, for the most part, I see when people go through it and they come out of the other side, that's when they've really learned and then they can go and pass that try to pass that lesson on to other people that you know can learn from it as well. So, so what do you think the point of this whole

existence is that we're here? Yeah? I mean for me, it's all about like, you know, your my purpose in life is just like waking up every day and knowing that I can try an attempt to change someone else's life. You were trying to better the world. That's your goal, the legacy. You know, my faith is important to me. Talk to you about your faith? What do you believe? Yeah? So, um,

you know, I'm a Christian. I'm a believer. Um. And I grew up and I went through a whole another cycle of like finding my own faith through um you know, these legalistic ideas of like how can I be a better person? Or is that what my faith is about? And like how like am I am I good person? And are a bad person? Or whatever? To like, oh, it's like it's a it's a it's a faith that's based off grace and something that I can't I can't earn, but that's already there and that was, you know, based

off Christ and all these things. So I learned that up like later into my twenties after I was out of my own and everything, and so it just became, Um, I don't know, I just had a lot of I had some full circle moments that happened in my late twenties that just kind of put it all to put it all together for me and then and then led me into this next season in my life. So, um, it's been it's been really a weird ride, but you've experienced feel good about it a lot to be so young.

How old are you pretty too? Yeah, you're still you're just getting started and you've already done so much. So do you believe in a calling? Like do you think you're calling has always been music? Or like how you said you don't necessarily believe a soul mate? Do you think calling has changed? I think that everyone has a I think everyone that definitely has a calling. Uh, they

always your specific um to what they're doing. I think I think it's more of a more of a calling to um have a purpose in life and give back like to other people. I think that's what it is. It's like this, uh, you know, I don't know if you've heard like altruism, whereas it's like how do you care about other people? Like what what impact do you have on others? And it's kind of like the whole

Um family design. It's like you're here to care for somebody else because like I think, the most the loneliest, worst place to be in life is like selfishly living for nothing but you and what makes you, you know, physically happy at that moment that day. It's very wise. Some people like live that life. You know, you're very wise luke to be like seriously so young, I been through a lot, so you know, I had to learn the hard way a lot of things. So that's awesome.

It's interesting for sure. To tell me about music, Tell me about tell me about your music career. What can we expect from you coming out? What are you excited about? And now see, you have a song the best thing you've ever done. Now here's that about? Yeah? So um that that song music is something that I'm so glad to be back in Nashville. So I finally made it

back here, you know. Um, you know, not a lot of my peers they came here out of college, you know, and they spent several years and here just getting to know everybody. Maybe they went to Belmont and you know, got a music business degree and and and started you know,

the songwriting a much earlier age and I did. So sometimes I feel like I'm like trying to play catch up on on that scene a little bit, because that's still on my competitive person in terms of, like, you know, what I'm doing as far as a career and everything, no matter what that is. Um, So I look at it from that standpoint. But at the same time, I'm just I'm happy just to be here and being Nashville

and doing what I love on a daily basis. And the people in Nashville and the people that I've been fortunate to meet and work with, they're just all this such great um salty there with people that I I value every one of those relationships, and and I'm glad that, you know, I get to spend my life, you know, doing life with these with these people that are there, I feel, you know that I can relate to that you know, have the same priorities in life that I do,

and and that you know kind of see the world through the same you know, glasses in the same view that I see it. So so you keep saying priorities, what are like when you're spelling out your party's family, what are your product? I think you know obviously it's it's family and it's relationships. I'm just a relational person. I think that, like, are we in a relationship right now? You can live and die in your your whole span of whatever that however many years you're given on this earth,

and why what's it about? Like? And I think for me it's it's about the relationships that you have while you're here, friends, family, not just romantic. Yeah, absolutely, it's like about all your relationships. And that's about how you leave a legacy. It's everything is relational. If it's not that, like it's a lonely life, like they're totally nothing, there's no point of you being here. It's like your your Tom Hanks on an island with a volleyball, like you

know what I mean. Like it's like it's that whole phenomenon you're going through. If it's not about because even even in that phenomena, you see that he wanted a relationship.

That was the most fundamental thing that he needed. So he gets a friend out of a volleyball and paints of face on it, and that's like a real human um um emotion, you know, and that that we all need that and so um so anyway, so that that's that's part of the reason I like songwriting, because songwriting always comes back to some some way of explaining emotion

ors explaining a relationship. If it's something about you know, a father and a son and a family relationship, or if it's about a breakup, it is not falling in love.

It's all about relationships. I mean, I think that's just why I love the Nashville community, the songwriter community, because everything we kind of like think about that we think on that on that level, and we're not thinking about, you know, usually as much about the Hedge fund or what the DoD Jones is doing today or you know, that type of thing from the heart more primarily what can we expect from me? What can be looking forward to musically? Um, yeah, touring, I think that that's still

a little bit open ended for me. I mean I'm

what we're doing. And we go out and we play a lot of shows right now, are playing to in our twelve live shows a month, and you know, we're in a lot of different cities and just we're out meeting all these people that, um, some of them were introduced to me just because of the show, you know, and now they they found out that, oh he also as a songwriter and he's also coming out and coming to my city and playing these venues, and that that's really cool to go out and meet those people, you know,

and it's already interesting to see just you know, some of them, Um, they like they know my parents names or whatever. And some people are like, oh, that's weird, Like, you know, they feel like I should be more you know, You're life should be more private, and it's kind of weird being reality TV and people knowing so much about your personal life. But I love it, honestly. I'm like, because I'm just an open book and my life is short, I would love getting to meet these people that I

never would have met otherwise, you know. And uh so, I mean I think that's been the coolest thing or this past year, Um, you know, not just in the music community, in Nashville, but just in general, like I've met so many people through this whole process this past year, and uh, and I love that. I love meeting people. So I love that. Okay, so we're gonna wrap up there and play a little bit of song songs. Um, are there any bucket list items? Love? You've done a

lot of stuff in your life. Is there anything that you're dying? I think there's always more bucket list uh stuff to do. I mean there's so much child, There's so much of the world to see you never get to see. Um, I've never like I've never been to Australia. I'd love to go there. Um, I've never been. I would love to go back and like, you know, the parts of the Middle East of where like you know,

the early uh first century, like we're like Israel. I would like to go see some of that and like see you know, kind of where we came from, where the Western world started and how it you know, migrated out and you learn about these things in school and like you never get to go see them. So like I'm a very visual learner, So um, those that type of travel would be great for me. I think it

would really like concrete some ideas in my head. But yeah, yeah, so I like to wrap up with, well, also, and you've already been a music video star because you're gona runaway James music video. I was kind of sad there's no kissing and it's about kissing because any of those girls and they're all beautiful. Yeah, well, I guess they all had boyfriends. I don't know. Well, I mean for the scene because it's like permission, right, That's what I said.

I was like, Hey, I'm the professional kisser here, so it's up to you guys, how do you all want it roll? I'm with you. I totally hear you. So I like trap up with leave your light, So leave some inspiration of how you would like to inspire people you have been inspired? Yeah, I think that, you know. My biggest thing is I think, you know, when you wake up every day, you have a choice to decide are you going to change the world for the better or are you going to change the world, you know,

to better yourself? And so I think that, um, if you wake up every day with the motivation to go change someone else's world for the better, then then you can't go wrong with that, you know, And that's just kind of like an overarching I think philosophy that I try to live by and then everything else kind of can follow suit. That's awesome. Yeah, Luke, you're doing it.

You're doing it. Okay, So now we're gonna hear a couple of songs from Luke Hell Teal Audio's newest speaker line that Aurora Life Stream speakers are designed to fit seamlessly into your home with its wide range of connectivity. To check out the latest speaker line, go to teal audio dot com. Okay, Luke, you're gonna play some songs. Tell me about this first one. This first one I wrote with Brandon Who and Brandon Kinney and that's a Brandon's yeah, double Brandon's here. Um a song called Drink

You In. And it was just kind of like I'm a guy, I like a good view, and so people are like, hey, let's check out that view, drink it in. And so then I made we made it about someone day that we were in love with. So is this a fictional person or is it a real person? It's always a real person, um, but sometimes it's like piece together with multiple experiences. Yeah, okay, all right, Okay, Well here we go drink you in. I hate that you got dressed up. Then I really don't seeing you look

like that. What I really wants tip downtim keep that part. Stay right here the fire you start now what you see? We don't go out because I just want to drink you in. Le s if you like that wine running across your lips, getting to out bugs, haven't little way too much girl, keeping coming because I just wanna drink you in. I want to drink you. Get those high hears off. I'll put a record on pouring another back.

It's the all night long, soaking you up every dry feel here too time because I just want to drink you sippy like that wine running across your bills. Get a little food book, have a little way too much girl, keep on coming, men, I just wanna drink you. We I wanna drink you. Stay right here and fire you're starting now what you said, gurd come on, just don't go out. Is I just wanna drink you to see you like that one running cross your lips. Get a little bod bo have a little way too mother. Girls

keep gonna coming. I just wanna drink you. Okay, that was awesome. You got one more for us. Sure we can do another. Can you tell us what about I'll have another drink? Please give me another. Let's see for this one. I think I'm gonna do. We talked about the breakup song. Yeah, you said it's too early for her break but I think it's not really. I don't know. I kind of want to do. I kind of want to do pretty close. Okay, what's pretty close about? Yeah, this one is about um, it's funny, it's got a

little deeper meaning. It was it was kind of like one of the songs I wrote initially about. We started the verses about just kind of that plastick falling in love, simple like let's be outside together. We don't need a lot, just like a kind of like a picnic basket in each other, right and um. And then into the course, it has a part where it says if I died right now, I'd be fine. Uh yeah, because holding you

is how I want to go out. And so that part was about the time when I was telling you earlier in the podcast, when I was in the hospital and um um el paso and I feel I literally thought I was gonna die, And so my family came out of course. And then my ex girlfriend who had been broken up with for a while, she found out about it, and like she came out anyway, and so

like it was like one of those things. It was like it didn't really matter, Like we weren't gonna end up together and that was fine, but like they were still like we loved each other at a certain point, and having somebody there, you know, when you think you're gonna that's the last time you're gonna be there, is uh deal. So yeah, so that's the background of song. That's a real good story. I mean, that's like some real stuff. They say country music is real. Okay, let's

hear it pretty close. Hell my mind standing steels, watching you move still, it ain't your feet in that groove. I'm gonna keep this smarm and roll right here tonight. Let's leave that uptain sing up to somebody. Yes, we gotta everything we need right here by ourselves, just you and me, And there's no way everyde but we got a sunset over truck being in the red wine. And just know I'm lightly see that kiss me one more time. Look to your eyes. If I died right and now,

I'd be fine. Yeah, holding us hard. I want to go away. Heaven might not be at the end this third role, Oh but it's pretty closed. Yeah, it's pretty cool. You're my prayer. Can't get enough. You got soul in a way you love the world. Just feeds away like a whist coast guy because we got son set over truck being in the red wine and just know live then see that, kiss me one more time to look in your rye. If I died right now, be fine, Yeah, holding you. I wanna go away. Heaven might not be

at the end disturb road. Oh but it's pretty close, close enough to feel your heart beat against myce hanging all as long as it's not I don't go. If I do right now, be find it. Holding use. I want to go out. Heaven might not be the end of this thurt road. Heaven might not be at the end this so dirt rule all, but it's pretty close. Yeah it's pretty cool. Look, thank you so much for joining me. This is awesome. You're rock. I hope you loved this episode with Luke Pell. I know you did,

especially if you're a Bachelorette fan. But even if you're not, what an interesting, insightful guy. Lucas to be so young, He's had such a big life. It was such an honor to have him join me, and I'm so excited to follow his country music career as it starts to take off, because it is really going. Next week we have Steal Union. Steal Union is a trio. It is made up of Josh, Donnie and Rachel and they all are incredible musicians in their own right. Rachel was a

Broadway star. She walked away from her Broadway career to pursue country music. She went on X Factor, she made it the top twelve. She's absolutely incredible. Josh and Donnie were in one of the hottest bands in ash Well called King Billy, and they've had their own journeys, so we talked about all of that, how they came together

and their story is incredible. So get excited. Next week we have still Steal Union, and make sure if you want to watch this, go to my website Caroline Hobby dot com and click watch and you can see it all on my website on my YouTube page. So join us live video if you want to see it that way. We'll see you next week.