Lucie Silvas

Lucy Silva's joining me today. She is a European sensation, sold a million albums in Europe. She just reade a song from Miranda Lambert smoking Jacket on the new album She's one of cmts next one in the country Smoke. Letters to Ghost and Villain are three songs and music videos that she made from her album Letters to Gost. Rolling Stone premiered them all. She's married to John Osborne of their brothers Osborne, and he actually kicks off this

interview by interviewing Lucy. You all get excited. It is so great. Here's Lucy Sylvia's I'm here with Lucy Sylvia's and John Osborne, and John's gonna conduct a little interview really fast, so take it away, John. So Hi, I'm John Osborne. You guys could be here. Really nice to meet you. Like your jacket so we hear you're amazing, incredible husband. He's got a huge beard because the hairs get caught in your mouth when you kiss and stuff,

the hairs get caught and everything. He's like cookie, he sheds. They're all over the house, the food and the roller every time roller. It's all over and I find them, you know, stuck in my own hair, and find them, you know, stuck to my eyelashes. Really, um, y'all are doing a lot of making out. No never, we're basically like vel crowe Yes, he has got an amazing beads.

That's it. I love it. Okay, Literally, we are here with John Osborne and Lucy Sylvis in their beautiful house and we are going to talk about Lucy's album Letters to Ghosts, which I think is so cool because you are not only a power couple, because you are both incredible singer songwriters. You'all co produced this album together. John, I mean, is there anything you can't do? Together. I love you by the way, I just like looking at you just makes me happy. Um um, yeah, no, I

don't know what was the question? No, he I mean John is I have to give John credit because he Um, you know, I wrote the songs and that was definitely things I had a vision for. He he knows me. He knows my sound and what I like without me having to tell him, and we grew up with a lot of the same influence. It says, what does that sound, It's like, well, it's a mixture of so many things,

which makes it hard to place anywhere. But I love Motown, I love country, but it's it's it's got an influence of those things what I perceived to be the country that I know, you know what I mean, And and it's got a twiny sound, but it also has a throwback sound, but it's also pop, it's modern, and so I think it was exciting for John to do that something outside of what he normally does as well, and produce an album with freedom with no one telling us what we had to do. Talk to me about producing

an album with freedom, because that's crazy. I could do what everyone Yeah, well, you know, sometimes you know the artist producer relationship is kind of strenuous because there's a lot of creative differences um there. And you would think it would be worse for Lucy and I because we're married,

so we're throwing in another dynamic. But but genuinely I trust I trust her implicitly, and she's an incredible ear for things and and so when she says something, I don't think twice about it, and sometimes I'll pushed back and she trusts me too, So I think the mutual respect there is is really big. And the fact that she funded this record on her own. Technically she is

the label, so she does get the last call. I have to do whatever she was and um, and we also produced it with Ian Fitzchuck as well, and he's also just a very laid back, easy person. He respects us, We respect him immensely and um, just just to know that there weren't any limitations in a way made it a little more difficult because you could say anything. But the freedom of that was very much worth it, I think in the end, because we've got to just do

whatever we felt was right in our hearts. Yeah, you've got no one watching you along the way saying well, we need a radio single or we need this to fit. You know, where's this going to sit? And I think autistically that's one of the hardest things for artists, Like how can you really? I think every so often an anomaly comes along where they've had that, but they've somehow managed to compartmentalize themselves so they can make the best

album of their lives creatively. But it is very hard to do that when you've got any limitations or anybody watching sort of what you're doing. So do you was it a big leap of faith to do this album and fund it yourself? Because I know, like we're gonna get into your past. You have had record deals, you've sort a million albums, you've done crazy stuff. Sort of get to Nashville and fund an album and do it by yourself? Is it exhilarating and scary? Exactly? Those two things?

I think Number one, Um, you know, my dad always told me you have to like any business person, you have to invest in yourself. You have to be Yeah, it is. It is because you're like, you know what, you know, we've got to pay bills, but also you know you should I spend it on Is it is? It foolish, is it stupid? You know, no one minds spending somebody else's money, you know what I mean. But even that, it's like you don't realize that the weight that that comes with, at least the weight is mine.

The stakes are high, and just for me, No, I don't think people realize how much money it costs. I mean, there are moments when I'm surprised at how much money it costs, and it seems that the costs never end.

I mean, to record it, you gotta get in a good studio, you gotta get engineers, you gotta get mixers, You've gotta get um, you know, the band, and then the cartage in there in the studio, and then you have all the amount of hours and the amount of labor that goes into it and editing and producing and then that alone once you get there, and then you've got to master it and then you think you're done, but then you gotta get artwork and then the packaging

and then it just it never ends. So Lucy definitely, you know, um, she invested in herself like I think any smart persons should. If you really believe in yourself, you should be willing to put your money where your mouth is and and she did that, and um, I think that's usually respectful. Thank you. Also, I just love that you as a couple decided like you obviously believe in her so much as your wife and an artist that you're on board too, Like that is amazing to

be y'all's relationship. Talk to me about what what you guys are like in the studio, Like, how's John and how's Lucy working together in the studio. He's It's it's fun because it's like, like I said, we when we met, it was like a time when you know, everyone was jamming around. It's like we knew we had the same influences musically. I mean, he's given me an education of music that I wouldn't have heard of growing in London. And yes, so we were getting the studio. It's fun

and he's John is better. He's more disciplined than I am, so he would get to it time. I mean it's almost sometimes well when he's editing, I'll come back like an hour later, I'm like, you's still doing that snare drum. It's like he's so meticulous that it drives me crazy. And then at the same time, I respect it because that's kind of the discipline that I don't have. I

don't like singing vocals very much. I like to sing it and just I'm like, well that's that's right, or I'll do it like this, and he did it right the first time. He'll do everything when he's playing guitar, especially, but he's so meticulous, um that he'll he wants he does everything, and I respect that. So in the studio, actually the two of us together, you know, somehow works. Actually don't know what I bring to the equation out your name is on it. I think that's it's not

my name, it's just the name on the CD. That's what I bring. No, But it's an amazing it's fun and it's like we're sitting there going well in the world of music, I mean there's no one could hear it, or everyone could hear it. You just don't know. And in the world of music, you sit there going we have no rules, we have no boundaries. It's the only stress that came into it. Honestly, was never a creative one. It was never a dynamic thing. It would never we

respect each other. There's no egos involved. Um. It's the financial side of it. That's when I get stressed, and that would stress John because he worried about me stressing out. So that was just where we'd support each other. And no, we have to keep working hard to keep this thing going. So yeah, and I'm gonna leave you guys to it. I mean, there's planning to go over. I'm just getting in the way. Hey, you're not getting away before you go. Tell me how it felt when you want a c CMA.

It was one of the most incredible experiences of my life. And and I want my brother and I had quite a bit to drink, and all I was thinking was Okay, no one expected it. So I was like, don't trip on stage, don't curse on national television, and thank Lucy, and I did all those things. So that was as much of a success to me as anything. And um, but it's incredible, you know, I don't know. I still every day I think about it, and it's something that

I can't even wrap my head around. Well, your peers voted for it, right, Our peers are people, you know. Isn't that kind of the most amazing thing that your peers wanted you to win? That's why, I mean, it's one thing It's like you know when when you're when when you win awards that are voted on by by the fans, a lot of times it's it is who the most famous, the most successful person is at the time that that wins because you have a huge fan base. It's just a number saying and anything that is fan

voted and you went always feels amazing. But to be acknowledged by your peers, you feel like an immense amount of love because those are the people that you know and you see them on a daily basis, and you also have a level of like admiration for and um, it is an immense amount of love that you feel. It's the only thing. It's incredibly overwhelming. It was one of the most incredible, surreal experiences of my life. And I don't think I could ever actually put it into

words what it feels like. That's freaking it was when I saw from him was like it was that overwhelming emotion that he felt because he felt like he's been in this town so long as as has t J, and they work so long, and they've remained very they have a lot of humility and they remained like really sweet and team players with this town. And and I think that's what made us all emotional, was knowing that that award had come from their peers and how much

goodwill in the room that was for them. I don't think you can if you feel that. I feel like you feel that gives you some sort of invincibility, if you feel like people are supporting you in that way. Yeah, but you guys, Lucy, the Brothers, Osborne, all y'all's group,

y'all radiate. And I was going to talk about this, y'all radiate truth and authenticity, Like I feel like all the people that you guys read around around with, it is so crucial that y'all are honest and authentic, authentic, authentic, I feel and I feel like people gravitate towards that because after a while, no one wants people to bullshit them.

You just want to know the real person. And all of you guys are like that, Yeah, we're real people, and that's how you are, and we've known you for years and and everyone in a thousand Horses, all those boys, it's like, as soon as we hang out with each other, there's a level of comfort because we trust each other.

We know that we're getting the real human and and I think at the end of the day, music and success aside, you just want to be around people that you love, and you want to be around just genuine people. I don't care if you're a genuine asshole. As long as you're genuine, it's all good. Just be a consistently genuine asshole, So I don't. I just love that. And you know, and our lives can be crazy sometimes, but when we come home, that's home base and everything just

goes away. And and um, this is what it's about. You know, your your your career is just something that isn't the end result. The end result is a life that makes you happy. And I feel like our lives together, you know, is everything to me. Okay, that's the most beautiful thing ever. Anyway, on that note, I really do have to go alright by John, thanks for us. I mean, if y'all are not the sweetest, cutest kind of he's

so sweet. It's like it's the sweetest thing. Like I got always this sweet and like loving and respectful and just perfect. I mean, sometimes we just ignore each other,

but that's because we're in the house. But that's the thing, you know, when you were in the house with someone and as long as they're in the house, you have that feeling of contentment and peace because you know they're there, even though you know, and he often will sit there and just play guitar and work on his amps and all that kind of stuff, and it gives me a great sense of like peace. You know, we do. We do get along really well. He is my favorite person.

He's fun to be with, and you know, it's a good thing that he is my favorite person. Because we live together. That would be that would be hard. And you've decided to join lives, yes, exactly, so it would be difficult if we didn't. But what is the secret? Child's marriage dated for a while too, right, we did. We've been together for a long time, and we did.

We had a very difficult beginning because we got together and then I went back to England and we were like, we don't know how to do this long distance thing. It was so hard to figure out where our lives were going because we were like, well, I don't know if I'm going to live in England. I don't know if I'm going to live in America. And then I think at one stage I think I decided, you know, to come here and I wanted, how did you make that decision? Because you were crushing it in England, sold

a million albums. I always heard on this thing with Charlotte Church. I don't know. You told me that one time and I have never forgotten it. Oh my god, you're saying, like, oh the Vogue, like with Charlotte, Oh my god, like the things you have done and the way you dominated in Europe to pack up a move to Nashville has got to be scary. It was really scary. I mean it had been a while, it had been a couple of years, and I fell in love. I mean, who doesn't fall in love with Nashville? You not you?

How do you not drink the kool aid? And like, just not you? You're intoxicated by it because you got in right away too, with a great group of people too. I feel like the first time I met you were hanging out with Cree, Harrison Brothers, Osborne Josh, with Charlie Worsham, Casey Musk Graham's Did you meet them right away? I

didn't meet Casey right away. I didn't meet Casey two years later, but I met, yeah, Cree and I lived to I mean, it was funny because I think the first people I met were actually Barry Dean and Busby. They were the first two guys I met um. And then I then realized that Chrysalis, the publishing company I was signed to at the time, was in Nashville. And then I met John and Donnie and Josh and and all those guys, Billy and and that's when I met

you as well. And and then I met Cree, And I remember Cree was looking to move out at home, and I was like, do you want to come live with me? You know, I'm going to come stay here for a few months, you know, maybe you could move in. And we became crystless really linked it all up. Chrysalis linked it up, and and and then I'd go back home and I'd come back, and it was years before. Really I never really felt like I left once I came here, you know, And it was very difficult to

make that. It is difficult even moving house alone, moving countries, Um. And you know the good thing about it is my parents live in New Zealand, my sisters live in New Zealand. So I've never felt I've always had a nomadic life. We've always moved around I've never felt like one place as my home until now. I'm with John and we're married and we have this home and I can't see myself living anywhere else now. But up until now, it's been quite It's changed a lot over the years. So

talk to me about your early life. Your mom was an opera singer. She was no, well, my grandma sang opera in her church. And my mom actually was in a band. I mean she I didn't find this out to way later. When she was eighteen. She was in a band and she played bass for this band. Yeah, your mom's cool, and she was. I was like, wait a minute, can you still play bass? Like, yeah, I need to need to see this, and um, but she was. Actually I think the thing was that her parents were

very very strict. They were very very conservative family. Um, I come from a Jewish dad and a Christian mom. So and she converted. So we had such a mixture of of an upbringing. And they wanted to sing classical music and they were they were really not having it for her to sing anything else. Sorry, and and so really, um, she didn't want to do that, and she she had

major stage fright. She because I grew up listening to a lot of singers as well, like Judy Garland and bober Streisen, and my mom used to hear that barber Streisen had huge stage fright, and that used to make my mom feel a bit better. But she's still I think really she got married and she wanted to make her whole life about my dad, which was was amazing. But she does have an amazing voice and always I think that's what gave me the confidence hearing her saying

to go and start singing. So how did you get into music? Because you started young. You started songwriting super young, super young, like maybe started writting songs on the piano. I was like ten, I mean they were awful like that. I mean, I listess up, they were good, but they weren't. And you know, I certainly wasn't singing like a young Michael Jackson. I was like I was. I listened back to it now and it's like really nasally and excruciating. But but I was definitely a music love and my

parents had huge record collections. I'd sang all the time. We all played we all saying this, my sisters saying, but you play mandolin and piano. I played piano piano is my main instrument. I played piano mandolin because I was so bored of I couldn't play the games. I have never been able to get my head around the guitar. I can play a few chords, but I don't have the ability to play it on stage. And so I thought, well,

the mandolin small one, maybe I'll try that. And I was just like, this fits my five ft one body, and and John kind of helped me through, just teaching me a few things, and it's become really fun to play. But my sisters played instruments, and we you know, we always were always the kind of family that were taught to try anything once at least. And and but no, I didn't actually get into the music industry that young.

I wasn't. I was probably well I was seventeen, so I guess that's young in the scheme of things, But I was. My parents were strict about it. They were like, no, no, you can't meet anybody, you can't go on the road, you can't do this. But then you started going on the road and touring back up when I did, so you said, sorry, parents, thanks for the Well. I think it's because of who it was with it was with this woman called jud Zook and her and she's an

amazing singer songwriter. She kind of she had this big hit in Europe when she was like eighteen years old, and then she was just such a prolific songwriter and she didn't necessarily want fame. She just wanted to be express her art, express her art, and and I heard her stepdaughters one of my best friends. So so that's how my parents were okay with this great easier way into these They trusted it. I mean, god, we were like it was got quite rock and roll on the road.

We were like I was young, and we were like drinking all sorts and we were you know, we would we had a good time, and it was it kind of I grew up fast because and I knew I could see what she was going through as an artist. I could see we were in a vent traveling up and down the UK, which back then, you know, it was it was very We did it all ourselves, and it made me want to be on the road. It was very young age to be on the road doing

it's like that, you know. So that's when you go at the bag and you're like, this is the life for me. Absolutely. I mean I always thought that I grew up watching my favorite singers, and I always just wanted to be on stage. And admittately I grew up with singers more than I grew up with songwriters. I didn't even though I was writing songs, I didn't pay much attention to the songwriters of this world. It was all about voices. For me. It was all about Edda

James and who are your favorite? Probably added James, m Probably Roberta Flack, um Nina Simone. People like that because you have so much soul, and like you can feel the ache in your voice too when you sing, like I feel like when you're singing, I'm like, okay, I'm going through whatever you're singing about with you. It's so good. Thank you. I think it's just I don't know whether that came to me young or because I think the older I've gotten life has played its part in the

way I sing. And I think that happens for a lot of artists that just dive into their music and I'm not capable of That's been hard for me. I think I'm not capable of doing things that I think will get me to hear I'm only capable of doing what I feel, and that makes you a true artist. Thank you and I but it's it's hard in that way as well, because you I feel like you don't give yourself much leeway. But then you're still being true,

so that's a good thing. Well, And I am really all about the secret and the universe and following your heart and you're calling I believe that if you are truly committed to the authenticity in your heart, it will be what it is supposed to be and nothing can stop it. I think you're right, and I think I think the biggest thing that I've figured out, like as a human being, or I'm trying to figure out, is like is like you you actually get what you ask for.

And I think deep down you need to realize what it is you're really asking for. Because some people really do want that huge fame. Some people want to have a quiet life and just find the perfect partner in the family. I mean, we are kind of a lot of us want all of those things. But I've never really wanted to be um hugely famous or anything like that.

I just wanted to make music and tour and find the people that appreciate it and want to hear it, and and honestly, I've never thought of myself as any kind of celebrity or person like that. It makes me uncomfortable. So it's just and that's not it's like I don't enjoy events and being on set. I love being on stage. That's fine, that's something you're doing naturally. So and John is the same way, Like John plays guitar, and the only bold you know, and it really really confident side

of him is when he's playing. So when he's playing, you're like, oh my god, this guy has so much confidence and so much self belief. But then he comes off stage and he's a very unassuming. He's a conable, approachable character. He's fun and bold, and he's you know, speaks loud, and everyone thinks he's super extroverted, but actually he's not really other than playing guitar. I love that. Okay, I want to go there a few things. Okay, Well, first off, here's a couple of quotes you said that

I think are amazing talking about you. You said music brings me join heartbreak every day. I'm hopelessly addicted if and then you had a picture and said it looks painful and it is the kind I love to sing about, which I love because all of the songs you're sing there's an ache, like especially this new trilogy that you just released, Rolling Stones released it. You have three part music videos and songs. It's Villain, Letters to Go and

Smoke just came out. Okay, But before that, you sold a million albums in Europe, a million, Lucy you have, and then you were you toured with Elton John, Jamie, Colin, Macy Gray, you staying with Charlotte Church all that You've had several records. Talk to me about that. Oh my god, I'm just hearing about it. But a million albums, I mean that took a while. It's not like it happened

all in one, but it is amazing. When I think about it, and I think about the it's so weird because I always remember saying to one of my friends, like when he broke up with this girl that he really loved and he was heartbroken. I remember saying, we lived ten different lives, like it's gonna be okay, like and I remember thinking that really is like if you think about yourself ten years ago or you know, all those kind of things, you think, who was I and

what was I doing? And I I think I was completely I still am still an idiot, but like you know, but I look at it and I think, God, I really did have another life and almost career that I was doing. I was. I was kind of a workaholic. I found a bit more balanced now, um, really, all I I would just you know, eat, sleep, and breathe music. And it's not that I don't now, I just do it in a different way. I think I'd do it in a healthier way, in a more enjoyable way. Um,

But back then, I had a blast. I met incredible people like you say, Jamie Jamie Cullum and Elton John and he's amazing, and Elton John and Lionel Richie I did duet with and that was crazy. And that was like someone I'd listened to when I was a kid and listened to the Commodores and like and and he was so and the guy has sold a hundred million

records and it's he was so humble. I was a brand new person that he'd probably never heard of, apart from hearing my voice for a second and going yeah, sure, you know. And he I he came on stage and he was so sweet and nice and respectful to everybody around him, and I thought that this guy is what legends are made of. He's so talented, he's written songs that are literally household songs. They're they're part of our lives,

and yet he's so nice and unassuming. Do you feel that that's a key element to being really, really successful. I know there's some assholes out there, but I keep hearing that the really great are the most humble, like nice and kind people that you could ever meet. I think I don't know if there's one rule for everybody.

I mean, I I know that there's a lot of tortured souls out and we're all tortured souls in a way, and you know, not every no one's perfect, and a lot of people have even that video trilogy that was kind of what that's about is that, you know, I try to be a good person, and I think everyone tries to be a good person. I have sometimes my pride hurts, and that's when the side of me I don't like comes out, and that well, all of them,

it's like, well mainly villain as well. It's like saying, okay, I take the blame for the sides of me that I didn't handle very well, you know what I mean, And all that kind of stuff and smoke is like it's the it's the kind of temptation to do the wrong things again and again and again, and and it's someone saying, you know, help me, save me from myself, you know what I mean. And I think you know some of our great artists. I think you see Dolly Parton,

who's one of my favorites as well. She seems so down to earth. She seems like she's got life figured out. Maybe she doesn't. I don't know that that's the way it looks. And she's got this enormous talent, and I feel like she hasn't got it by stepping on anyone. She hasn't got it by being dishonest or being competitive. The only one you should be competing with is yourself. And there's room for everybody if you actually look to yourself and want to do something you know substantial and

for yourself. And but it is hard. This is a competitive world a lot, especially in the women's world. We're all pitted sort of against each other, and when we're not supposed to be we're actually the only ones that know how it feels to be us, so we actually need to support each other. And I've found in this town it's I actually feel that more than ever, this sound is so supportive and it's super embracing women right now. Yeah,

so talk to me about that a little bit. And even with CMTS next Moment of Country, because that's been a movement that's been happening lately that you're a part of. And I feel like it's just incredible how women and country music are really coming together and supporting each other. They are I think we're you know, like I said, in this town in Nashville, it's astounding to see how people because they say, you know, in high tide, all ships,

all ships rise, you know what I mean. It's like it's a lovely expression because it's like you're not supposed to you're supposed to aspire to the people around you. So I think people like drink it in like it's like I need this. I need to be around these people because it lifts me up and it inspires me and motivates me. And and and with the CMT have been amazing to me. And there's all the change of the convo and that the kind of support women trying to get them to um, you know, exist in a

world that's equal. But actually, I think it's all up to us individually to do something that stands up to actually be strong about it. And it's just that, you know, if we come into a room really really confident, we get labeled a certain way. It doesn't always look good. You're supposed to be sort of a little meeker and feminine and sweet. But actually, you know, there's women out there with something to say and they and they have

to shout about it otherwise they don't get noticed. So I'm really inspired watching some of the women in this town, like Marin and Casey as well, like you know, driving things saying I'm going to do it this way. I don't need that, I don't need this. I don't need this person telling me how to do my career. And to have the confidence to be authentic when especially maybe people are telling you you can't be to say like, I don't even care that dad takes a lot of

balls because what if your label backs out? What if you lose your deal? If you just but you commit to being authentic. And that's what's so cool is seeing these people commit to being authentic and seeing how it responds with people. It's it's it's and it's hard, and it's okay that it's hard. It's a challenge to go, Okay, this is this is what I've decided, this is who I am, and this is what my goal is and things. It's natural for things to come and and fall away

from you and your career and you've just it's very profound. Yeah, but it's like, but it's it's just part of life. And it's like, if you don't have your eye on your goal that's true to you, then you're going to take it all extremely personally. And sometimes I do. I sometimes think, well what should I do if should I be fitting in? Should I be changing what I do

to suit this or that? But actually, no, you know, okay, not everybody gets to where they want to go, but at least get there in a way that makes you proud, like, at least get there right a way where you know I didn't bend, because you know when you've done it, you know, when you've compromised yourself and you go home and you look in the mirror that night, you just feel a bit dirty, dirty, you know, you feel like I don't want what I said today or what I

did today. It wasn't authentic like you say, And I think you've just gotta I'm trying my best to I can't really speak for anyone else, but I see the people that are not afraid to offend anyone or and it's not even about that, it's about they're not afraid to actually be themselves and be liked or disliked. And that's a big thing if you if you're scared of being disliked, then you're just going to live in your own shadow. It's so true, exactly. So tell me about

you said you know where you want to go? Where is what have used the rod in as where you want to go with your music career, and it was

Letters to Go is a big part of that. Let Us to Go with a huge part of it because I came out of being with major labels and and then let Us to gos was an independent endeavor and and it's been especially coming to a country like America is so big, and a British artist in a town where it's like, well, I kind of exist in a lot of pockets, you know, so it's difficult to necessarily decipher what that is. And I don't really want to fit in anywhere. I want to stay in my own lane.

I think that's my biggest goal. I want to I see the kind of career the artists like Chris Stapleton or case you have where they have. You've been touring with Chris Stapleton, which is which is? Which is crazy? The people that I really really admire and respect, and and and the Brothers obviously as well. Just got off the dirt Rich Short to have to talk about the Nashville show, And yes, I can't wait, but you know, it's it's one of those things where I go. I

want to stay in my lane. I want to perform to audiences. It's for me. I'll either get on the radio or I won't, or you'll either see me on TV or you won't. But I'm not worrying about it, not really, because I kind of know the kind of music I make. I don't make. How would you describe it? I don't know. I think it is popular music. I think it's quite mainstream what I do. But it is it's got a lot of influences. It has influences of of country, it has influences of motown, pop um and

you can't really place that anywhere. So really, I'm I'm trying to find my audience and get out there on the road and be a touring artist. That's really all I care about. Care about making records on the way John Maya does he and you see that and you go, well, is John Maya? Pop? Is he? Country? Is he? Soul is folks? He's a million things that you either like it or you don't like. I don't want to sit here and put my own music in a box. And if that's a problem for the music industry, that's not

going to stop me doing records. Um. But yeah, the Marathon show with the Brothers, Okay, so you were on tour, the Dirt Rich tour. It was the Brothers Asmore and you guys, and y'all sold out marathon of music works. I feel like it was out of control. How was that show? Oh man? I was so proud of them, and like, I mean, I'm proud to be with them. I'm proud that they love my music that you know,

of course that my family. But you know, they don't want any one on the stage that the music doesn't you know, something that they're into or that they like and and I think it was a great fit because we both want people to have a musical experience. It's not necessarily who's in the charts and who can celtickets. It's like we want something that's going to add to the whole experience of Brothers Osborne. And that night we

were I had major anxiety. We were really nervous because it's Nashville and there is people in the room, Like We're like, this is the most talented audience we've ever sunk to. It's like everyone in the room can pretty much slay with as singing and playing and writing, and it's like you're basically it's it's it's like it was like the Grammys to what I imagine the Grammys to be, Like, I got to sing in front of these people. It's

like Mick Jagger sitting over there and John Legend. It's like and it's it's really really lle Grammy of Nashville. That's what it felt like. And and and yet you the opposite feeling to that is you feel so much love and support in the room. And I was so honest. I loved being on stage, and I loved opening and I loved being able to play for our friends and Nashville. But it wom my heart because seeing them go. You've seen it too, you know how hard they've worked. There's

a dump ster outside. Hey, we're just real life over here. I know, this is it. This is like it's Friday trash day day, which is great. It's not a recycled day because our recycle bin was overflowing. Like that's good,

good people we're trying to do. I think that the proudest thing was to see me, to see the boys like just achieve that and go the first hometown show in four years and just be and I don't know, it just makes me want to cry thinking about it, because they really did have to work and work and work, never quit, never quit. And then they've re advented themselves.

They've even they've they've they've danced this dance and they've and they've tried their best to do what's asked of them, but also stay very true to the kind of music they like. And you see them on stage, and you see them even walk into a room and you think

they are who they are. They are not putting on a show for anybody that you know, they're not afraid to say anything to anyone, and the good people, and they have a good family and and they have huge family values, and I think it just comes out, like we go back to authenticity. It comes out as artists. I think that's why people can't help but love them, because their music is just an extension of who they are. And you, Lucy, are the same you radio that same

vibe because they say your vibe attracts your tribe. And seriously, I like the yeah, you guys, that's why you are such a fit. It's such a It's almost like, you know, the music Mafia was back in the day. I feel like there's this whole new thing Maia. Like it's like it's like the truth. Everyone just being so real and being themselves. I mean, truthfully, there are so many people in this town that we look up to. Um, there

are so many talented artists. I could truly spend hours naming like and that's unusual because usually you can name maybe two or three artists that you think are truly special. But this town is full of very very special people and and they you know, we look at groups of people. I remember coming to down and seeing ten out of ten and just going, oh, Yeah, that was the thing

that I just want to be near them. I just want to laugh up all the energy of those people because that they are creative force and they were so talented and I was like, that's the coolest thing ever, and just seeing the way that they were all artists individually, but they came together and created something really special. And I think with you know all the friends. You know, we have friends dotted around Nashville that don't hang together

all the time, but they all inspire me. They I'm I'm always seeing what my friends do and I'm amazed how people are conducting their lives and their careers. And for me being a slight outsider coming from England, I'm just learning. I'm learning how to keep my find my place and keep my own place. You know, I think you're killing it. So Rolling Stones named you want to one tin Artist one of tin Artists to watch, and then they also premiered your smoke video trilogy is the

third one in your trilogy. How did you decide to make these videos? Because you made three music videos that are so haunting and amazing. What inspired you to make a music video to go to the songs and to release him as a trilogy. I think it was just like I was, videos and photo shoots and all that stuff like it can be fun, but it's not the most comfortable side of things for me and a lot of artists. The most comfortable side is on stage or

being in the studio. So these and I've come to love the visual side of things because it became fun. I was like, Okay, I'm going to create this character and she's I don't want to kill her off too soon because she happened in letters to goes what happened after the trunk of the car? You know, who is the character? Break her down? She's she is a villain, and she's like the side of everybody that nobody really

wants to admit. It's the side that has ever been in a relationship and and acted like an idiot, you know, or maybe said or done the wrong thing, or not always been you know, the person she wants to be in every scenario. And I think, but it's also all your vices and all your you know, all the parts of you that you know deep down inside exists in all of us, all those devil on our shoulder, you know,

talking to us. And I think that's what those videos were about and I liked the idea of I've heard of concept albums, but I've never heard of concept videos, and that they were all connected as one story. And I liked seeing her go from obviously being a socialite about town with paul Rick Brantley and the trunk and then you know, going to prison and having this guy that's obviously a love interest that was a major acting too, and he was so great, like he was singing him

back on the glass and crying, oh my god. He blew over there, just stoic with like like you had made up the face that you kept too was liketing was out of control. Thank you, Oh my god. I actually had had ran a friend of mine who was an actress and said, you know, how do I get my head into this? Because I've got such a d D that I'm like, how do I focus? And she was like, you you just think about something that's hurt you or broken your heart and just stay in that moment.

And I really wanted to be coached to to come across for it to be real, you know what I mean? And so thank you and in tense like and when I looked at him, like bashing on the glass. I was almost like, at the end of the take, I was like, oh my god, I believe him, and he was so amazing, and he kind of motivated me in that scene as well, because he was all in, all in,

I really believed it. And the Smoke video as well, you know, she ends up in this, you know, I guess it's like a twenty eight days later, you know, like rehab facility, and I love and all my friends are in the video of my friend Karina, and my friends Alex in the video, and Shane and and h and Mary Lynn Stella was in the video, and all these people that I wanted I knew could play those roles.

And I liked it because obviously at the end of the Smoke you see the twist where actually these characters don't exist, aren't They're only in her head. They're actually multiple parts of her personality. Just so ever and amazing, thank you, And it's like it's it's kind of sinister,

and I like that. I've always been a big fan of like thrillers and like all that kind of thing that keeps your edge, psychological thrillers, and that's probably my way of trying to be creative and trying to act a little bit and create this villain character and live it out on my videos. So it's amazing. Thank you. So tell me the highlights of twenty sixteen for you, because I feel like that was a big year for you, Smoker. I mean, Letters It Goes came out at the end

of is that right? It smoked the end of twenties sixteen. The Letters Goes album That's right, Yes, Yes, came out independently, and then I signed a deal in the UK, so it was just for the UK on Decca, and it was like trying to get the album a bigger push. But all throughout two thousand and sixteen, I had this just train. I had to keep pushing. I feel like you doing the independent album, even though it was scary and exciting and all of the feelings, it led to

so many doors opening for you. I feel not that you even need doors opening, but like just to see this is that coming. People were realizing, oh, okay, this is Lucy's heart, Like this is her sound and she's committing to a full force. I feel like so many things like CMT Next One Country happened, and then honestly, like you started touring with Bobby Burns and the raging Idiots, and that's awesome and it was so fun. He's so many people came on board because and they heard it organically.

I think Bobby heard it because Lindsay l had invited me to come sing a song with her and he saw it and he was like, well, who's that and she said, I gotta give you her music and it was so sweet. That's another example of women supporting each other. But I think, you know, and people like CMT and behind you, so they got behind me an artist, the biggest rolling stone has totally gotten behind you. It's so crazy.

I never would have dreamed that up. And and the biggest thing for me has been when I looked at the artist in this town that I admired and then ended up on tour with them and Willie Nelson people, and it blows my mind. It does blow my mind because I always think, well, you know a people I don't.

I'm not really I don't have a team. I have me and my manager, and then I mean and then I obviously, after a while of doing some work, I had Jay Williams as an agent, which also I have so much respect for and he believes in me, and he's remember having a conversation saying he's like, I believe in this. I don't care how long it takes. I've had artists I've worked with before go through so many things. I don't need anyone else to tell me that you're great,

that you're great, and I want to help you. And how amazing to have someone like that as your champion, really great, amazing like I I couldn't And it makes me very emotional because, like I said, there's nobody making my manager and me make those calls or make those things happen with the music itself. We don't have this machine that is able to do that for me. So it makes me really proud. And now I've just got to keep going and make this new album, and which

is what I'm starting to do now. So okay, so talk about the new album. What is that gonna be like? And what can we Oh my god, I love you u um and you know, UM, I think this. I'm really really excited because to me, let Us to Goos was such a good introductory here in America, and now I kind of want to bring even more of my influences into it. I'm again, I'm not going to worry about where it felts that that to me is like

the biggest fresh breath of fresh air, thank you. And so it feels so good that you're just doing what you want to do. It's exciting because it's like there are no boundaries. I know what could happen with it, right, I love a lot of different kinds of music. We're gonna be doing a lot of tour dates this year with some exciting things like there's there's there's gonna be twenty tour dates that we're going to renounce in the

next couple of weeks, which is really really exciting. And then you know, now I've got to be in the studio recording, and I think it's going to be quite a modern sound, but with a mixture of a lot of um my favorite things like Royal Person and Jeff Jeff Lynn even and and uh, you know, some Motown in there, and obviously I love the Jackson five and

stuff like that. And I think it's just I mean, we've started to do even artwork for it, which is it's just so exciting because to me, again, it's like it's a creative mood board that you can do whatever

you want. I'm like, this is where I'm at. I always thought artists it's like someone comes into the lives and presses a pause button and then they make an album and that's where they are, and it's I think, Um, I just got to get my head down and get my head back into creative mode because we've been on the road for ages and that sometimes that's hard to get back in the swing of things. So so what if you could plan out Seen? What what are you looking forward to the most? If you could plan this

whole year? Yeah, I think were going according to plan. What are you hoping to happen in Seen? I'm hoping that I could really put my music on the map. I'm hoping that I can get out there and tour and do my own tour, however small, and by the end of this year, I would love to do some on my own dates. Um. I'm very excited about the artists I'll be out on the road with the year. Um. And that's just further you know, motivation for me to keep going and knowing that I'm doing the right things.

These people that you respect want hugely, hugely and um, and then I would love you know, I obviously would just love people to hear my music because I think I've gotten some amazing support within the industry and and and gaining fans, you know, slowly but surely. But I really want to get out there and do more. I'm just I think, you know, ambition and expectation are two very different things. I have huge misition and expectation. Okay, break that down for me. So I have huge ambitions.

I want to be on tour. I want to play. I have dreams to play venues like the Greek Theater and Madison Square Gardens and all those things. I want to do a million things. I want to tour with the band. I want to write albums. I want to write for other people. I want which By the way, you've got a Miranda Lambert cut I did what was what's the hadle? It's smoking jacket? So, oh my god? Can you believe that? No? I can't. Couldn't because were so cool with her and Allie Hemby and riding with her.

It was just like the because of course, though that's your gang, you hang with the coolest people. No, But I mean I only met her last year because she was so sweet and she had tweeted about my album. I literally I was sitting on the edge of the sofa and I nearly fell off because I was so when I saw her tweet, I was like, oh my god, Like I it killed me that she even heard my music.

So um, it was just so nice hanging with her, and I got to know on more, you know, just a normal human level, and she was in a very exciting time in her life where she wanted to break down boundaries of creativity and just show the world what she's made of. And I got to be part of that, and I'm so proud that I got to be part of that. So yeah, it was great. But no. Um, But now, as I was saying, is that I don't have expectations. I don't expect awards, I don't expect record deals,

I don't expect anything like that. I don't ever want my head to be there when it goes there. I don't like it when I start to think or maybe I should be here, or I should be with this label, or maybe I just I just want to keep my ambition there to motivate me and not expect anything, because I think no one should be entitled. I don't like that attitude. I think we're all doing it. Everyone works hard.

There's a place for everyone in this world. And I think you just have to be humble, um, be humble and do what you do. So, so, how did you say that your ambition ambition is very different than expectations. I love that, Yeah, because it's like I think people I see even the way being on tour with John and t J. I see the way they operate, and they have never I've never seen them go I hope we get a Grammy nomination. I hope, I hope that this album reaches a million people, or it'd stay a

little longer, reaches a million sales. I hope we want this is They never go want, want, want, want. They just go, how can we do this? And how can we make this brilliant? That's how I see them operate. I've never seen John be annoyed about something they didn't get. And they've been out this for years and they certainly certainly hasn't been overnight for them. And I've never seen them entitled or resentful. All I've seen them do is keep working. It's like, how can you not be how

can you be around that and not adopt that attitude. Yeah, okay, tell me about your tattoo. Tattoo have No Fear. So I actually got this in Nashville. I'd come here. I think it was two thousand and seven. I first came here, and it was a really hard time in my life. I'd come out, Yeah, I'd come out of a relationship that was long term. I was I didn't know where I was in my career. I didn't really know what I wanted to do at that point. I was very last.

My family were dotted around the world, like and I was really I was trying to find some reason to motivate myself, like I and and I wrote the song called Love with No Fear, and me and Cree Harrison had sang it together, and and I said, I really want to get that as a tattoo because it's it's kind of loving yourself and other people with absolutely no fear of the outcome, you know what I mean. And I think when I look at that, I remember someone

telling me, like, that's like a no smoking sign. Now you're just gonna be Now you're just gonna want to smoke, You'll be afraid. I think a little bit of fear is a good thing. I think to be scared um actually can challenge you and it makes you actually do more than you were going to do it pushed past but pushed past it. Yeah, I was going to get be afraid on the other arm, just to confuse people. But no, But I love have no fear because it's

not really about not ever being scared. It's about just be scared, but do it anyway, like jump off the edge of the cliff. And just because we've got one life here we we we don't get to do it again, and we have to just put everything and not worry about judgments. You know. I I've always I grew up kind of my My family were very reserved, so I think, you know sometimes from my mom. My mom would be very like, we mustn't say this and we mustn't do this, and that was the way she was brought up, and

I kind of wanted to do the opposite. I wanted to I can't go through my life, you know, just pleasing everybody. I can't be like that. I can't really live if I'm doing that. I love that. Okay, so we're going to wrap up with leave your Light. I like to ask everyone to leave your light. So give me some inspiration of how you have been inspired or how you would like to inspire others. How I've been inspired.

I've been inspired by family, Like you know, I know that sounds kind of typical, but the way that I see people be so loyal to each other, and I think it's much more important than music or what we do in our careers. I think what inspires me is people being honest and genuine and that makes everything else. Like I'm not just saying that I'm not happy unless I have that, you know what I mean, I'm not happy.

I'm happy, probably for the first time in my life, to be with a person that is honorable and does things truthfully. Doesn't mean it's perfect. It means that done with the most truthful of intentions, and that inspires me as a person. I think I can be a better singer, a better player, a better artist if I come from that perspective. And I think I'd like to inspire people

in the same way too. I want to inspire them to to to I don't know, just love people and accept people and accept themselves like I'm trying to do that. It's not as if I find it easy, but I want if if people are inspired by everything to do, it's just to to tell the truth and and look past yourself. Sometimes. I think if you're a person that doesn't have the ability to support others and look at and and and and lift each other up, then you need to look at yourself. Because I think no one

should be on a pedestal or beneath anybody. They should be equals. And I think that's kind of what I would like to know, inspire people to be if if anything, I don't know how I would do that, but that's what I just an example what you do. I think that's what everyone has to do. They have to lead by example because can't tell I'm way too opinionated sometimes and I think you can't really tell people what to do.

You can only, like you say, lead by example and try to do the best you can, even if it doesn't even if it doesn't have the outcome you want. I think, don't change your don't change the way that you do things. I think it's you've got to be authentic. I love that, sweet Lucy Silvis. It's just nice hanging with you. I love hanging with you, and we're neighbors. I know where it's that that's where the good thing is. It's a trendy and cool place, like we've got friends everywhere.

It's like it's it's you know, it could be a bit sketchy here and there, but just a little bit. I just come out of red door. But but no, it's great. I love this neighborhood. I can't believe you're so nearby. You're right there, right literally right near you. Guys. Yeah, we need to hack do this more often. I don't. I know, we can just do it for real life, Okay, Lucy, can't wait to hear your new music and see who you're touring with. I can't wait. I can't tell you now,

I will, I will. We're gonna announce it in a couple of weeks. Yes, you're the best. Thank you, wasn't Lucy Silva's amazing. She is such a dreamboat. I love her. Make sure you keep your eyes open because she's having new music coming soon next week. Maggie Rose joins me. She has such an incredible voice. She has also been

one of CMTS Next One of Country. She's also on a CMT seventeen to Watch for seventeen and she's on the CMT tour Next Women with Martina Bride and Lauren Elena and also Postman Ron is joining her, which I interviewed Postman Row and they're amazing. Can you believe all the things she's doing. She also got announced that she's playing a couple of shows with Tim and Faith on their Sould Soul Tour. What she is killing it so you guys get excited. Have Maggie Rose joined me next week