Hayley Hubbard

so gentle, so giving, so loving. I'm telling you, if you meet her, you can't believe there's someone as sweet as are alive. And we talk all about her story. We talked about how she got to Nashville, her career, how she had huge plans to move to l A and start a very independent life. When she met Tyler Hubbard of f g L, he pretty much said, I don't think you're going to l A and you need to pray about it. She prayed about it, asked for a sign, and God gave her a huge sign. We

talk all about that. We talked about their marriage. We talked about how she found her voice, how she's finding her voice and speaking up and using her voice, and it's just such an inspiring podcast. You will leave this podcast feeling like you can do anything and you can conquer any fears that you have. We also talk about motherhood. She has a beautiful little girl named Live who's one

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your first podcast, my first podcast. I feel really excited that I get to be your first. Well, I'm glad you're my first. You've done a lot of cool things in your life, so I feel like to get a first from you is really like, yes, wow, I'm honored, but but gosh, no, it's like kind of nerve wracking. And tell me what's nervous about doing your first podcast. I'm only wanting to kick off with this because you've been conquering this fear of using your voice, which you

have this incredible voice that needs to be heard. I'm not talking singing voice, No I can't, which is yet another insecurity. It's okay, I won't make you think, okay, good, but yeah, tell me about how you've been like this season of you speaking and just like expressing yourself and

what you believe in. Yeah, you know, Um, I feel like it's kind of been a journey, honestly, Um, And probably the last couple of months, I've had a couple of speaking opportunities, nothing major, but just a couple of people have asked me to speak, whether it be at a wedding or um on site of it, and about that one because I feel like on site in general is a cool thing to talk about. Yeah, you know, it's one of our causes, as you know, UM in

a place that we love. It's place of recharge and a place you can go get therapy and really just I don't know, be your better self. And they kind of just like dive into all of your stuff, Like but you don't even know that you need diving into it, but you just do these exercises and you go stay there for you can stay there for a few days.

They have different programs. Um they've got like a Couple's Intensive, which Tyler and I have done, or they have a Living Centered which is group therapy, which I need to go to. Tyler just got back and he's like changed person. Not that he needed changing, but I mean it. It really does just help you in every aspect of life. So and I love that people like you and Tyler, who by all standards have so many great, amazing things

that people aspire to have in their lives. But you're like, no, we got we want to get our soul right and our minds right and be living in a healthy way, which to me is goals. Like that's so awesome that y'all prioritize that in your marriage, in this entertainment lifestyle. Well thanks, I mean it's cre shull mind, body, soul, all of it um to us. And so it's just the way of us maintaining our relationships the way we

can be better people. And so so on Site asked us to speak at their event the day of and it was kind of a big event. Yeah, it was a big event. Um, and I was like, wait me, you want me to speak? They're like, yes, you And I had to ask them three times, like wait, you really want me to speak? Because it's usually Tyler and which understandably, so he's the one in the spotlight, so I'll listening. Tyler is FTL. He is the Tyler of Tyler and Brian of f L. Yes, who's my husband,

and um, so I'm used to him. They're like, are you sure you want me to be speak? Me sure? And so they said, yes, we want to hear your voice. And I mean that got me emotional in general, because no one's really said that. I mean, I guess people have said it, but um, it was kind of special to hear that someone wanted to hear what I had to say. So of course it was like a big oh. I cried. I cried a lot. I got in the car after the event and I just stopped. It was like, Tyler,

this has never happened. Like, and I only said, you know, five sentences, but it was enough for me to just kind of break out of my shell and realized that I could do it. And um, you know, how did you feel when you were walking on the stage about to speak. I was petrified they got They had all these lights coming at us, so I couldn't see the people, which was really a blessing in disguise. It's like this is what I need, Thank you God. Do you remember what you said or was it just like you said it?

You blacked out and they're like, um, what happened? I blacked out a little bit. I was like Tyler, I hope I said what I'm supposed to, because Tyler someone that just wings it. He's done this the time or two before, right and before we got there, he was like, I was like, what are we gonna say? I mean, I kind of know a little bit of what I want to say, but what are you going to say? When am I going to say things? And he's like, I'll just sing it, babe, And I was like, no,

I cannot wing this. We need to talk about this and really at least have a little bit of a strategy. So in our car right there, we we figured out what we're going to say and basically kind of just told our story and how you know, we we think we're good. And when we were going to on site, we were like, oh, we're good. We don't need this, Like what are we going to talk about? Like a lot of people could feel that way. Yeah, And then you get there and how do you how do they

unearth all these things? What they what do they do? They do experiential therapy. One of the things that they do is that and you know, talk about your childhood and and kind of unpack everything. But for me, experiential therapy was the best for us because you know, if you hear something, you're using one third of your brain. If you see something, you're using one third of your brain.

But if you're doing and and saying and whatever hearing everything, you're using two thirds of your brain and which is what experiential therapy was and a lot of sense. So you're doing experiences together talking about your particular childhood and traumas that maybe you didn't even know you had. Now you've identified them and you're working through this with your partner.

Got some commitment to healing very yeah, and you know then you know a lot of to heal even when you think you're good, like you said, like to me, I'm like, I'm good, I'm good, but then as soon as I feel like i'm good, I reach a whole another like level of breakdown. Same. I mean, it takes bravery for sure. I feel like we're definitely into the therapy world and we like doing it. And for me, every time we do something like that, it's always a little bit nerve wracking, but you go and you just

I mean, it's the happiest you've ever felt. You're like, oh my gosh, I'm on this cloud nine. And it really just helps you to have better relationships in life, whether it's with your spouse, your boyfriend, girlfriend, friends, tools. Tools. Yeah, yeah,

I love that. And I love that, like because my mom's a philosopher and so she always always were always talking about feelings and things, but the anger and reacting is like to be able to get past that emotion and then to get into why it all, Why you have that emotion or why you feel defensive or insecure or whatever. It's just like it does take bravery to

get to the bottom of it. So that's awesome. I love that you guys are leading the way with that open about that, that you're using your voice to talk about it. Because I told Hayley before we started this podcast, I was like, everyone's gonna look at you and be like, you are just goals times a million, Like you and

Tyler both are goals. You're beautiful, you're kind, you'll have this great marriage, you're so you're great mother, you have all these causes you're helping out, Like you're just such a wonderful, glowing light to the world and especially the country music world. So when you share things like that you struggled with speaking up and like using your voice, I'm like, that is so huge because it makes people just feel like, oh my god, Okay, she's really like me,

oh my gosh. Yeah, well thank you for that. That really means a lot. That warms my heart. But yeah, I mean we all struggle with things, whether it's being a mom or being married. Even though we do have an amazing marriage, and I mean, I couldn't ask for a better husband. It's just there's always stuff stuff real life. Like now Michael and I've been married for four years.

I'm like the physical part when you're dating, like everyone, when you're dating, like you're attracted to someone and it's physical, and then it's great once you get married. It's like being married to someone is such a commitment because you

are taking on this full person as yourself. And if you don't like agree and get along and like learn how to communicate and learn how to have tools to maneuver, I can see how it's self destruct But thankfully Michael and I are great communicators too and running to work on it. But I can see how marriage can get difficult if you don't have the tools to communicate and maneuver through this life, especially at entertainment fame like all of this. How do you guys found find your balance?

Have have have you found your balance? A lot of things? I would say as a whole, I mean mind, body, soul, you know, being active, um, being in nature, UM, spending time with God, in the morning. We try and spend like sometimes it's five minutes, sometimes it's twenty, but UM, just having that quiet time in the morning. Our faith is something that definitely keeps us grounded centered me name it and UM, what else you know, therapy, all of the things UM, And then our friends, I would say

the community around us. I mean you, all of our girlfriends. I don't even have time to name all of the amazing people in our life that help, you know, keep this running. And it just it takes a village. And whether it's the people that our house that help us or with an f g L and everyone had just takes everyone. But mainly I would say God is someone that I rely on and that I've learned to rely on.

We were talking UM, and you were saying that you've had some big moments in your life where you felt like I have to do this like a tug or a pool where it's almost like if you didn't believe in God, you would sound like a crazy person because it's literally just like this feeling inside that you've got to do something. So talk to me about that. Like your move from You're in school in San Diego, San Diego and you'd moved there from Idaho, Like, how did

you first off decide to go there? And then when you're in San Diego you got a huge just almost calling that you needed to move to Nashville, Like, how do you know? What I mean? I don't know calling is the right word, but it's just like, how do you know when God's telling you to do something? That's a really good question, um, and something you know, I'm still trying to figure out. But I really try and ask God, and I really try and listen and just pay attention to what he's telling me, and as he

talked to you, you know, I like to call him godwinks. Um. I've heard that saying before and I really like it. Um. But whether it's through a song that you heard and you're going through something, you're driving and then the perfect song comes on or the lyrics hit you at this certain point, and if it moves you, I really feel like that's God's speaking to you. If it moves you. Okay, that's a distinction that I haven't heard before. I love that if you feel it and you feel like it

was a message, then it probably was right. Yeah, I think it. Excuse me, I think that you know when it when it is God, um, if you're looking for it. And I really kind of had to test him at the beginning. It would kind of be like, just show me that you're there, Like I want to know that you're there. Are you real? And you know, all those questions. Because I grew up going to church. I just I didn't grow up like reading the Bible religiously. It was just kind of the basics, and so I had to

kind of grow into my faith. And I would say after colleges when I really started learning how to pray and the power of prayer and that, oh my gosh, like he answers prayers if you just experience, Yeah, what was your first one that you can remember? You're like you noticed an answer. Um, I would say my move to Nashville was something I prayed about and and he answered so many prayers. But the most memorable one that Tyler and I talked about quite a bit is how

we met. So well, we met through a mutual friend and um, let's see where do I start this story. I love the romantic story, especially when there's magic and faith involved. I know, it really kind of solidified my faith and ten percent and so I was when we met, I was planning on moving back to California, and we were just friends. I told him that I well, I didn't even tell him this. This is just something that I knew that I was never going to date an artist, athlete,

or actor. This is just something that I knew it was not going to happen because not communicated. But but I was like, that's my rule. So he just kind of automatically got dumped into this friend zone. Now where did that rule come from? I think just living in Nashville, and and I realized I had this story in my head that all artists were these crazy party rock stars that you know, did drugs and I don't know, slept as a bunch of girls and we're tempted with all

sorts of things. And the reality is everyone's tempted with things. And so anyways, I had, you know, you make up stories and too, just thinking that they all were gonna be cheaters and no one would really commit and be a good partner, right Yeah, And I think that that used to be a stigma kind of in the rock and roll days, but you guys have changed that stigma a lot fgl and you and be coold like y'all have been forward with your marriage and love from the

beginning and that I feel like has been trailblazing. Well thanks. That was definitely a goal of ours, kind of unintentionally because people would tell us so much like you can't post about your girlfriends, so you can't post about your wives. Definitely are gonna put them in a music video, right, And the guys were like, well, this is our life, like we're going to share this. I mean, it's kind of weird if you put someone else in the video because then it looks like you're cheating on your what

I mean, it's very strange. So it's a lot of sense. But for whatever reason, that was not the norm. It wasn't the norm at all for some weird reason. And I think that's one thing that I was afraid of at the beginning. And so I was like, nope, no artists, athletes are actors and so sorry, and I was like in misindependent mode. I was moving to California. I was like, I've I've got this planned out, and I had a plan yeah, and I've kind of forgotten to talk to

God about this one. And so you know, it was like I was in control of this one, which is never smart. Every time I think I'm in control, it literally blows up in my face, I know, and it sometimes hurts. It hurts, and I'm like why is this happening? But then I'll go back to the beginning. It's like, oh, because I stopped letting God be in control, right, Really, I caused the suffering for myself, right Exactly. I do it.

I do it all the time, and so that's when I have to like get in check and be like, okay, God. So Tyler was the one to kind of like get me back and check. And how'd y'all meet? We met through a friend. Yeah, she was in like a date thing or is it just like you all were hanging out. We were all hanging out in a group setting, and we were all we had way too many drinks. That's a good way started, you know. It was. It was very fun and I was trying to actually that day

set him up with my friend. It was it's so funny now thinking back, but um, obviously that didn't work out. Um, so yeah, I just was blinded, really, and so you know, every time he came back to Nashville, which was only like one or two days a month he would call. So he had eyes for you from the beginning. I don't think he knew it. I don't maybe he did. I'm not sure he's calling you every time he comes back. I mean thinking about you. I don't know. We should

ask him that, Okay. But so he would call us every time and we'd go out and eat Mexican food, and then that was it. I was like, gosh, he's a great guy, Like I'm really going to be friends with him, even though I'm moving to California. Like he's a good one. And then kind of like the fourth or fifth time we hung out, I was like, yep, moving to California next month, and he's like, no, you're not. I was like, yeah, I am, but moving to Santa Monica. I've got a roommate. You got a roommate, like you

had your place about in Yes, move is happening. It was happening in a month July one, and this was like June six or something, okay, okay, yeah, And so he said, no, you should pray about it, and I was like, wow, I haven't really prayed about it, like I was thinking that, And so we went home that night and prayed about it. I was like, God, give me a sign. If I stay, I'll stay, but like, let me know where I should go. If I need to go to California, let me know. Let me know

where I need to be. And so the next day I was working at Merrill Lynch and Um, I was literally signing my name on the lease with my roommate signing Hayley, and my boss came up and stopped me and he said, Haley, if you stay in Nashville, I'll double your salary. Like he didn't. Got full body chills and I want to cry. It literally was one of those moments where it didn't moved me, and I was like, whoa,

whoa sign your lease? Yes? So, Um, did you know then that Tyler was gonna be in your life after that? It was because probably the first people he thought about was him. I asked you to pray for the sign I did. I texted him first once I got my car that day and I texted him and but I don't think I actually thought about it, um, which is so funny. And then all started because of him, I know, and I was like, oh my gosh, got answered this prayer.

This is so crazy. I think I was just like because now you're one eight in your life, like you were literally your mind was in California. You were starting a new chapter and now you're like usual wheeling like huge wheelie. Yeah, it was pretty crazy easy. So anyways, July one might move date, or what was supposed to

be my move date. We got together and we went to our friend's house and we had this wine night and and he kissed me that night and it was just like this, oh my gosh, I didn't even know that that was there. And ever since then it was just like that was it. Yeah, we were I mean going on tour. It was just pretty crazy that they started touring heavy at that point they were that was in there, like really beginning days where they were just

non stop. So how do you juggle that? So you go from working at a bank, right is that Marylynch, and you have your own life, you're misindependent, you're moving to California. But now because Tyler told you to pray about it, God answered, now you're on a worlwind. Tyler like for one day next, how do you one end of that life and now be full forced touring world? Because that's not for everybody. You have to learn how to navigate that or or do you think you're just

born for it. I think certain things in your life, yeah, I think it's only meant for certain people. It's not Yeah, it's not a lot of understanding of a lot of things. You can't get too uptight about stuff. Yeah, do you feel that way? Yeah. I mean we were on a bus with twelve guys and I mean, you know, and we were sharing a bunk and it was it was a lot, but it was so fun and so I to bond and really gets to know each other. Yeah,

we got to know each other quick. You can't go number two on a bus, so you gotta let everybody know twelve others. Yes, yes, yeah, you gotta be okay with just the regular things in life. But it was it was so fun, and the timing was also God's timing. I mean everything was. I quit my job because I was like, you know, maybe this is why I'm unhappy. I need to figure out what I'm supposed to do. And so I didn't have a job. And but now your boss is upset because he's like, dang it, I've

done your salary because I really want you here. I know, Tyler stole me away. So he'd be like, all right, we've coming tour this weekend, and I was like, well, I mean, I guess like a job search from the road, Like sure, I'll come out, and so yeah, it was kind of instant after that. But that that's kind of my main God story. But I really always ask God for for little nudges and signs. He knows that I need big signs, and so I just asked for that. I'm like, give me a big sign, yeah, make it clear.

That's how I am too with God. I'm like, I'm like, God, i am not even trying to not do your will. Like at this point in my life, I know now I can give it my best shot and not do what is really intended for me to do, and it's going to blow up on my face and I'm gonna be sad and I'm gonna be crying and I'm gonna be like why is this happening? So just go and tell me from the beginning to make it clear, and I will just do that. Yes, lead me, please. But then I always think that I like have God and

control and then I'm totally like I got this. I'm good and we're good. And then I had another moment where I'm like, totally didn't let God be in charge of that one. And I just remember, like you said, oh I forgot, I got to bring God into this this one. I know you need this little wake up calls. And I feel like the bigger the issue, actually, the more you need God where it feels like you want to control it more. Yeah, but really that's when you need to talk to God's surrender even more. Get I

love a big sign. I'm gonna start praying for a big sign. Yeah, like a big Obviously he's there. He I mean, He's got everything that we need. We just don't always ask for it myself included. I know, why is that? I don't know, I don't know. I need to really get back to that. You're great at it though, on the whole. You are really you are though, You're really good at drawing in God on a daily basis and like on a you know, like on a not just like let me pray for this moment and back

to my life. I feel like it's a continual thing for you. I try. I feel like Tyler really helps me kind of stay in life or his faith. He you know, his parents he really had a solid upbringing. With with that, I guess I'm trying to think. Yeah, I think he just had really strong faith from the get go, and um, that's great. He had some he had pretty big life moments where he really relied on God. And once you get through some big life moments and

you do have gotten it. Yeah, it's just kind of an unexplainable like, you know, I don't know how you just made me feel better, but but you did. You made me feel better. Yeah, talk to me about you guys in your love for Africa, because you're about to do a big, big month long yip with the whole family. And also you're all about helping the women who are pregnant going into childbirth because there's a huge death rate of women who are Uh you have a maternal mortality

rate is it's really high. I mean it is in a lot of different areas of the world, but um, Malawi and Sierra Leone, where we're hoping to go next, is um the highest maternal mortality rate in the world. So, I mean, there's so many things about Africa that we love. Um, I can't even count them all or say them all. And there's probably a lot that I don't know yet, but this is just a big calling on your heart. Africa. Yeah, I think for Tyler and I it's initially it's just

the people, Like what do you love about people? The joy? There's true joy there and you know they're living a lot of people there live in poverty, um, but they're so joyful. Um. A lot of them faith and their family and their their families and communities are so tighten it there. Um. You know, everyone's helping everyone raise the babies and they're all living under one little hut and

they're together. Yeah. Yeah, they're together. Um. And so that's kind of the main thing that we love about there. But there you can really make a difference and really make an impact. Um. Not that we don't help in the US. I think it's really important and I we love doing things here, but you know, not everyone can just fly to Africa. So I kind of feel like

this is our calling for the moment um. And so right now we're working with the Game Project in maternal healthcare and then also with elephants of course, which I love. How did you what is what is it about elephants? Um? Elephants, they're so intelligent, they're these intelligent creatures and just insanely in touch with their emotions and connected and they can communicate telepathically and they're so smart and we don't even

know the half of it. And um and matriarchually the pack or not the pack, but the herd, which is kind of cool. It just shows, you know, the strength of the women and um, but they're just I think it hurts me how much they're being affected by all the poaching and tens of thousands are dying each year just because people want their tusks for ivory, and um, it makes me sick pet anymore, Like you know, how can people even consider like fine to where when we

know it's so terrible. I can go down a rabbit hole with all sorts of stuff like clothes, I shop it forever twenty one, and I'm thinking, like, okay, this is being so cheaply made. So like maybe some factory, like some sweat factory overseas where kids are working, Like

what about is my pleasure someone else's pain? Like I think about that with everything, like even our food industry, the way we get meat, Like I can literally go down a rabbit hole and not be able to get out of it with all the suffering that goes on for someone's pleasure, and it's just such an industry now, it is such an industry, and I'm trying to learn more about it because there's so much and I know

there's only so much we can do. You know, we can't do everything, and it does get a little overwhelming. And so how do you deal with that overwhelming feeling? Because now you're aware of what's happening, but you know you can't fix the whole problem. So how do you survive in the world but do what you can? Like, what is that balance for you? I'm working on it. I think I'm just in the midst of working on it.

I broke down the other day to Tyler and just was like sobbing and just it was overwhelming, but because you just know so much about what's going on, and then I also realized I know so little in the big scheme of things, which is also a little bit overwhelming. But I think you just you do what you can in the areas that you can, and and that's what you can. Just do the best you can, and that's it.

Whether it's in your community and or whether it's like going in your closet and getting stuff out of your closet giving it to goodwill or or if you can fly to Africa or India wherever to do your part. I think, um, that's huge, but also just sharing the awareness of it because knowledge, um, knowledge is definitely power.

And I think if we could just educate everyone on the things that are going on, it would we would all understand, you know, why we can't use ivory, which that's an obvious one now, but but it wasn't it some you know? So, UM, awareness is key and for some reason God has given us this platform and I'm so thankful for it. Um, what do you think about

it having a platform? Because whether you wanted it or not, you have a platform like you, yourself has a platform outside of Tyler and f g L and you and your husband and fl use your platforms in a really positive way. But you're also okay to express what you believe in, which is we're talking. It's scary to put yourself out there. So what does having a platform mean? Do you? Because you got one? Yeah, I think it. It's taken me a minute to accept it because I'm

not one to speak out clearly. This is my first podcast thank you for bearing with me. You're natural. But yeah, I think I'm just kind of learning what that means and learning how to use my voice and learning that I was put here for a reason and and to just embrace that and share what I know. And so, um, I don't know, it's pretty cool. It's a pretty cool feeling. But yeah, I just anything we do in life, I want to use it for a greater good, you know,

whatever it is we're doing. So, um, where does that come from? Because not everyone feels that way? I don't know. My mom was always volunteering, My parents were always volunteering, and I've got other people that are very near and dear to me that have inspired that in me. And I think everyone has it in them. Um, But I don't know. I just my heart just feels for everyone. I mean, half the time, I can't even watch a movie without sobbing because I literally take on everyone's emotions.

So I think that's part of it. I'm just a mess. I'm just emotional mess. Yeah, ideally, you probably feel for all the animals and all the babies. I'm sure being a mom has added a whole new level. I mean, can you make it through a day without crying. Now that your mom. No, Tyler too, it's the sweetest thing ever choked up. Just turned one, she's about to yeah, and it's it's I mean, just to watch the fact

that she's grown and she's almost a year old. And I don't know, Um, I love seeing Tyler get choked up. I think it it gets sweet. What gets him just watching Olivia do funny things? And I mean he'll just start tearing up. What did you cry about it? I don't know. We both are just always in tears. Um. When you learned in motherhood this past year, like, what have you learned about yourself? I've learned the motherhood is hard, even when you have help. I think just surrendering the

fact that you're not going to be perfect. I mean, and that goes for every aspect of life. But just knowing that, like I'm not going to do everything right and that's hard for me because sometimes yourself grace for it. Yeah, yeah, because I know I'm hard enough just on my own self. So now when you have a life that you're responsible for, trusting myself, I feel like I'm gonna have a hard time trusting my decisions. Like, but then you have to his mom, you have to make a decision, do it right,

because you have no choice. That everwhelmed me. It is, but again I just have to go back to like, Okay, I'm trusting you, and that's we're having a great mom squad comes in because great mom friends. That's like the biggest thing of all. Otherwise I would not know anything that I know. Now. I'm constantly texting in this group of moms like Okay, is this right? Is this normal?

Because I don't know. I've never done this before. And it's just so nice to have mom friends to rely on and lean lean on and cry with and yeah, I mean and then be there for other new moms. That's also been kind of fun to kind of pass on that knowledge even though I'm only you're in you know, but you know what a new mom needs. Yeah, I'm gonna brag on you because I'm friends with Christen Prest and so are you, and she's and she was like, you'll never believe what Haley. Just take she gave me

a night nurse. She was like in tears because a new mom knows how amazing that is when you got your hands full and you a swimming with kids. But you're so thoughtful. I feel like you. I have after getting to know you, have become friends with you, Like you are so thoughtful. You're a very thoughtful person and you're always doing something that's going to help someone make their day. And it's just quietly. You never make a big deal about it. You just are That's just how

you are. Well, thank you. I have a lot of good people around me to help me out with that. And I remember being with Cassie and Lauren that day and we were like, oh my gosh, we're sending her a night nurses right now, because that is just I means. I couldn't have gotten through life without. Yeah, in those first months, I mean, what are the first ones? Like um and survival? I thought it was looking back, I don't remember much. It was a blur, but I mean

so sweet. It's just so sweet and tender, and those moments that I will always like cherish but but it's hard. I think those are just the hartist times that I don't know that like looking forward to having another baby, I don't look forward to the first book. Well, just survival. Yeah, I want to give birth and then I wish I could just go to like month three. Okay, So it's the first three that are really for me. I don't know,

it might be so different for other people. I mean, I know it's different for every mom, but for me, those were the hardest, and I mean again, we had help and it was still hard. So I seriously commend all the single moms out there and people that are just trying to do it by themselves, because oh, I know, it's a hard job. And then you look in the mirror and you're like, did I wash my face today? Did I brush my teeth today? I don't think so.

Hopefully my breast is not too bad. Yeah, Oh my gosh. Okay, So I want to talk about the shirt you gave me. Tell me what this is. When women support each other, great things happen. Talk to me about that because you and there's this whole group of women in the music industry who are especially there's this wife movement happening where I swear FGL was one of the first ones to start at you guys were just like the marriage unit has become so powerful. I feel like, especially in the

country music industry. I swear due to you guys a lot. And now there's just this gang of women who and it's everywhere. It's a movement for women across the board. But tell me why women sticking together is so crucial and how much you love your your tribe and all that things you know, I mean, in your community. I can't say enough about all the women in my life, you know, in the country music world, but also in the Nashville community and all the women in my life.

Um but I think all of us are blessed in the country music community to have such a strong community of women, because I don't think that's it wasn't the norm before, not at all. And I'm so thankful, so thankful, because I'm so thankful y'all blaze the trail. And then it's just the status quo the way things are when we popped in. So this is just how it is.

Like wives and husbands are to be celebrated. Yeah, it also feels good to have your husband kind of celebrate you and when someone comes up to him and says, oh my gosh, like can I get a picture with you, and he's like, yeah, here's my wife, Hailey, and you know, just to kind of like acknowledge us as women. And but back to um our friends, I just feel like I couldn't do without any of you guys. It's m it's powerful to have everyone in this strong circle together.

What's the difference between because we both love our marriages, there's a difference between my marriage though, and my friendships. Like I get something from my friendships and I don't get from my marriage, and Michael gets something from his friendships that he doesn't get from our It's like, what is it that you can pull from your women friends that you're just you couldn't live without? Um gosh, strength

and encouragement. I feel like it's constantly this like building each other up instead of judging or trying to tear each other down. It it's like it truly is and it's not It's truly genuine. It's not fake um and so not that Tyler doesn't build me up. He does, but it's just a it's different when you hear it

from a female. From some women are going through all the same things, like I know for me and Michael, like I can talk to him about what I'm going through and he will be so supportive and so kind, but then he hits a moment where he's like, I don't really know what else to tell you because I just am not living this as a right woman, you know. And one time I was having a breakdown and he texted Kristen and Laney and he was like, can you please the call Caroline because she needs to talk to her.

But I see the girls. I'm so grateful to have people that you can be honest with and be yourself, like you're saying, express your feelings and get this good support that you're like, Okay, I trust them, right, They're not gonna leave me straight. They want the best for me and vice versa. Yeah, And I think in today's world, we live in this world of it's never enough and

and we're always inadequate with social media and whatever. I mean, there's just so many pressures and so to have women that are telling you you are enough, I mean I could cry. I Like, I had this girl group one day together and you know, we're talking about how we are enough, and it was so powerful to just realize, like I'm enough, Like how God created me to be That's enough and that's a beautiful thing. And so just to have women supporting you and that is huge. Why

is that so hard for us to know? Because that has been my biggest struggle and I'm not worthy, that I'm not enough that, like, like you said, with social media, I can compare myself and just feel like I feel like I'm getting better the more awareness and more friends, leaning on friendships and as all realizing that this is a universal thing, right, But just accepting my worthiness has been very very hard for me to do. And I like women in general struggle with that. I know, which

is crazy. Why because I'm like, oh my gosh, you're amazing, You're beautiful, You're you have everything going, you can speak and you have those boys. But yeah, I think we just we all struggle with that. I mean me at least. And I don't know why. I couldn't tell you, but I do know that social media, although it has positives and you know, you can raise money and raise awareness, there's also a lot of things that that we need to be aware about and be funny balance with it,

trying to what are your balance? Like what what what are you? How are you trying to work it into your life so it's healthy? Um So I'm trying. I'm gonna speaking to myself right now and hope that I just stay with this. But you know, keeping the limit on um, your Instagram with the new phone app, which is great. Um, I had forty five minutes, which seems like so long, and I always hit my limit, Like, how did I just spend that much time on Instagram?

I don't get it. But in the mornings, Tyler is trying to force me to not touch my phone for an hour, which is also hard because you know, you look at it for your time, your everything, everything. So we got an alarm clock, old school, old school. Um. And then how else we read this book called How to Break Up with Your Phone a lot. I'm still not done. Um. Talk about the brain connection to Yeah, well, we're constantly relying on our phones too to remember everything

for us. And I don't know anything about my phone and I watched it like I'm too connected. Yeah, we have the Internet, I mean, we have the world at our fingertips, and we can just say hey, Siri, this that then and ask these questions without actually retrieving it in our brain, which we we know a lot of it.

And um, and so we're kind of missing that and our brains are making those connections and and so we're actually like making ourselves dumber by all the screen time we have which and so that was kind of a wake up call to me, is I need to really just put my screens down and asking, like, instead of just focusing and doing one thing, we have like fifty things tabs open in our brains exactly. It's like we just like forget everything almost or something. I know. Yeah,

the multitasking. It also says that no one can actually multitask, even though a lot of us pride ourselves on I can multitask, like, well I can't. I know I can't, but um, no one could physically do it. And so when we're forcing our brain to do all these multitasking, it's just on overload and it's not making these brain connections. And I don't know all the technical terms because I'm not good about that, but um, I find like my

memory is over It worries me. It's not only thirty five, and I'm like, I'm supposed to make it with his memory like a good solid at least fifty more years. I know, right, Yeah, how's that going to happen? I don't know, I've got I do feel like the more I put my phone down, I've been trying to not use ways or any of my Google maps. When I get somewhere now and I'm like, okay, traffic if it's this time, traffic is supposed to be like kind of bad in this area. So I'm going to go this

And so I'm trying. What could you be in your own GPS? Trying sometimes baby steps that's a bit proactive though, that's great. So just little things. But I have a lot of work to do in that. No, you're like the closest thing to an angel on earth. Well you are. You're so sweet you are. When I see you, look, I can angel. You speak like an angel. You your house feels like heaven. Truly, it feels like heaving in air.

Oh thank you. That means a lot. How do you prepare yourself to get naked in the shower in a Florida Georgia line video if you just had a baby and you look like a supermodel, Oh my gosh. That was funny. Um, basically, No, that was actually really funny because I wish we would have taken a photo of what we looked like, like the weird catching things you have on Tyler. I think what I don't think I was. I think I had braun panties on me I'm sorry,

I have to throw Tyler under the bus. He was wearing like ballet, nude ballet like um underbear it was I mean, we both we were dying laughing and there's a scene in the video where he's laughing and I know it's when we were laughing about his anywhere areas. You know, the water was coold. Everything was just like, was not sexy. It was not sex. Here's this really sexy video, but like here's ballet underwear, freezing cold sexy. I really we should have done it behind the scenes,

like the real the real video. Um, but no. We had a lot of people help us. Man, the stylists help us with Christa. She's amazing getting stuff ready. And are you nervous though when you're about to do a sexy scene and it's going to be filmed. I think I shouldn't have been nervous, But I don't think I was because it was with Tyler, and I'm like, as long as I'm doing it with him, yeah, I'm fine.

If I would have been by myself, I would have been not okaying, like a silhouette dancing or something, you know, like Faith Hill on that Breathe video and she's in the desert, like, that's gonna be your next one. Oh my gosh, No, I do not like being center of attention is my worst fear. You should, though, because you were like you are such a bright light. It's coming for you. Whether you want it or not, it's coming

for you. Well, anyways, it was, it was funny, it was a fun day, and they actually did a really good job with the whole production of it. I was, I was impressed, So I liked. I asked, I think I asked the cold this. But what is since you guys? To me? When I look at your life, I'm like, goals. Y'all have got it figured out, having a great career but simultaneously working on your marriage just as hard, being an awesome mom, keeping your balance, Like you're just like

you do a great job of balancing. So what what would you say? It would be the biggest perk of having this entertainment, exciting, wild lifestyle. What's like the most enjoyable side of it? And then what's been the biggest struggle side of it? M hmmm, Because you do it

so well? Thank you. I don't feel like I do, but you know, we're so hard on ourselves were I don't know, we're so critical, but um, the best thing for me is kind of what we were talking about is having the platform and being able to use things for the greater good. Um, and then also sharing things like how to have a good marriage and that it's cool to be married and you know it's cool. It's not cool to say dumb jokes like ball and change joke because then you know, it's not really cool anymore.

It's just like guys, sometimes people say it to try and fit in. And and so I think it's cool to kind of change that stigma. And whenever people say things, Tyler tries to be like, you know, question people about that, Oh what do you mean by that? And um does not letting an old stag mit stag like just an old outdated way of marriage, b like just not accepting it. Um, that's been really cool to watch. Um. And so, but I would say the hardest thing is probably the pressure.

Sometimes there's you know, pressure and everything, but I think just the pressure of like I'm a perfectionist at heart sometimes which is to my own demise, but um, just the pressures of trying to be perfect and did I say the right things? And did I do the right things? And did my Instagram post did that come across okay so that no one had their feelings hurt? And did I include everyone? And I mean just just all of that is kind of hard, and everyone's watching or not everyone,

but for some reason you didn't get it perfectly. Somebody somewhere is going to say something right, right, even though your attentions are always good, yeah, just but you also have to be yourself and speak so right. You have to just someone's always going to be offended or but I do. I do kind of like I'm hard on myself in that regard, and so I've almost not posted. We went through a phase where we just didn't post Instagrams and we just kind of took a step back

from things. And and then I realized, like, well, we're not spreading any like goodness, we're not sharing all this awesome stuff with the world, and I don't know, we're trying to find a balance with that. I really appreciate that, though, because I think that is such a genuine struggle, and

you're right because it we were talking. We did yoga today before I got all you little good It's great, but it is like finding that balance where you are using your platform to be proactive to spread positive things, whether it's just a joyful post of you and Olivia, you know, like to show you can be a happy family and have a great marriage and all that, or you're making a big post about like you guys did about you know, gun awareness in a very very positive way.

Like all of all of these things, it's like you have to think about them. I know you really do now because social media is part of our life. People are watching and it is like it's just a part of the conversation, right. I know we tried to to deny it for a while and be like, okay, now we're not using social media, but the reality is we need if we're going to have a good impact on things like we do, need to be on social media

and um and spreading awareness. And so it is with any new thing that like with the Internet or even like a telephone or the cell phone, or like every new advancement thing connects us more, there's like that that period where you have to navigate it and figure out

the boundaries, you know. And I feel like we are the generation because we are like the last generation that didn't have social media and then got it right, you know, So we're having to navigate those waters of finding balance because we knew what it was like before, whereas kids growing up in it, they don't know any different. Yeah, exactly, So we've got to embrace it. But it's like figuring it out so it's not a detriment, which is what we've all been trying to do. But you are doing

a great job with that, well, thank you. I'm constantly working on it. It's just constant struggle. How do you, like, if you're gonna indulge in have a day where you're just like, I gotta have a day for me, or I gotta have a meal for me, or if you're gonna have like a slurge anything, what are you doing? Split like food wise? It give me food. It can be massage. It could be like, how do you if you're stressed out and you need to relax? What's happening? M I need I need a yoga, I need movement

of some yoga. Descert for me to yoga. It's just like you don't have your phone first of all, which is huge for me and just getting away from it um and then you just have this great workout, you're moving and you're just kind of like forgetting about everything else around you. That spiritual to like, even though it's not like God in your face talking praying, it's like the silent prayer or something. I'm with you. I don't know what it is about it, but either it's so

connected to your body. It's connecting your body to this spirit. I guess because yoga is kind of how you yoga. Um. What else? Pizza? I love pizza pizza. I could eat it every day every day, especially like the really good Italian thin crest with like the would fire pizza my favorite odd and then Cheetos would be my Do you hear? Do you like the regular? I just like the regular? Like the regular too. I don't like the puffs. Pups get all stuck in my mouth. I feel like I

need to eat these faster than a puffle. Let me yes, I mean ask people every time we get on a flight. I feel like I'm always eating Cheetos. That's just like my thing. I love it. Balance. You know, you have to balance in your life. Got to okay, So we'll wrap up. You're a little angel of light and love. Tell me I leave every interview with leave your light. So obviously you're spreading light in all areas of your life. This interview has been light. But what is your how

do you you want people to think of you? Think of your legacy? Like when? What message are you trying to get out there? Like what you're not? You don't have to be a big message, but like what do you want people to know so they can have a more happy fulfilled by what's or what's? Yeah? Just how do you want to encourage people? Gos? Just take care of yourself first and communicate. I think communication is huge, so huge. Um, some people just not know how to

do it. I think a lot of people don't. I mean, I'm I'm aware of it and I'm still learning so much of how to communicate. Um. But you know, whether it's your marriage or anything, communication is like key. UM. I would just say, let's say, communicate, take care of yourself and I don't know, just be good, be kind to people. Um. I think we could all be better about that. Myself included just doing the best instead of the worst and stop making up these stories in our heads.

Especially with social media, I look at a post and I'm like, you know, I start judging and I'm like, why did I make up that story in my head? Like it's too easy not to. I know this is like a reflex. So so I'm telling this to myself as well to be kind um and just know that everyone's going through their stuff. Just to give some grace and give your give grace to yourself. I've been working on myself talk to myself talk. I didn't know how bad myself talk was, but man, I'm hard on myself.

But so we got me gentle on ourselves like we would be to a friend. Yeah, what if someone told us, like someone came up to us to tell us all the things that we say to ourselves, like I know, it would hurt, It would really hurt. So it does hurt us. We just you know, I don't know the full effect of it. Say something wonderful to yourself today. I love that. Well, I'm gonna say to you, hay You're an angel. You are. Thank you so much for

joining me, thank you for having me. Thank you all so much for tuning in and joining me and hearing Hayley's story. I know you were inspired and uplifted by it. She's just absolutely an angel. Y'all make sure to keep tuning in. I have so many incredible Wives of Nashville coming your way next week. Is Brittany Kelly. She is the wife of Brian Kelly of Florida Georgia Line. She started her own line of clothing called Tribe Kelly. Her

story will rock your world. She's such a badass, such an amazing spirit, and I just can't wait for you to hear all that she has to say. So we will see you next week. Have an awesome day, Love you guys,