Gary Burr and Georgia Middleman

Burr and Georgia Middleman to the show today. They are a freaking power couple in country music. When it comes to songwriting, They've written so many number one hits between the two of them. Gary's and the freaking Country Music Songwriters Hall of Fame plays in Ringo Stars band as well as Carol King's. George has written songs for Keith Urban. They're both on a trio with Kenny Loggins, and they

are two of my most favorite people ever. They're going to make you laugh so hard and their stories are gonna blow your mind. Y'all give it up for Gary and Georgia. Hi I'm here with Georgia Middleman and Gary Burke. Hello, Hello, how's it helling you guys? Good? It's fabulous, Rainy. I know I used to write songs with you guys for like a decade. He's still writing. Nope, gave it all up, all right, Yes, I tell Gary, you know it's not my true calling. Ten years of trying, trying it and

now onto interviewing. There you go. This is it. So you guys are kind of an interesting combination because first off, your both hit songwriters. That's super sexy. Well, if you're going down that list, all right, and you guys are married, we are to each other to each other at that yeah, exactly. So there's a lot that I want to talk about. I want to break you guys down individually first, and then I want to talk about the combo meal. Okay,

al right, okay, alright, so the first woman break down. Okay. So Gary, you're originally from Connecticut, I am, and you were an electrician. That was yeah, it was an electrician. So I just I assumed I was gonna, you know, just take over the family business when I got old enough, you know, to to claim a six ft ladder. But it didn't work out. So did you know you loved writing songs. I didn't know I loved writing songs, but I loved the idea of the music business because that

was just an awesome time. That was like late sixties, early seventies. It was just a great time for the music business. And I just knew I wanted to do something in the music business. And I didn't want to just you know, run an electrical company in Connecticut. I didn't care what it was, but that was, you know, that was the door that opened, and I would have been happy for any door that opened into that. Didn't you do wood Stock? I didn't do it, but I

wanted to ask you about this because Woodstock changed your life. Yeah, I kind of really really did I know that. I know that out of all the people that were there, tons of people, you know, say that it changed their life in a in a spiritual way, but it really was the fork in the road for me. Well, didn't you say. I wrote a quote that you said that you went to Woodstock and girls were clinging to the musicians like dryer sheets. That sounds like something stupid. That's

what I need, That's the life for me. Yeah, if I could develop that sort of static claim. You'll take it, Yeah, I'll take it. Okay. So you're in Connecticut, you go to Woodstock, then you have like, okay, we're all over the place Woodstock. How old were you and you wanted to be the dryer sheets? You wanted the dryer sheets? Yeah, yeah, I did desperately. Then you start deciding to play sport

and you're getting a serious injury. Yeah, you know what, Because because I knew I wasn't gonna work for my dad, I wanted my dad to be proud of me. So I tried any sport that I was even the least bit equipped to do, and there weren't any. So the sport that seemed to involve the most aimlessly running around in circles seemed to be soccer. So I joined the

soccer team. Not the way I did it, literally, it was just running around in circles, and then periodically you bend over and your pant real hard to The coach thinks he's really giving it as all. Okay, and until and the one time I actually tried to do something can instructive for the team, I got my leg broken. Okay, so you broke your leg and now you were in a full body cat. Yeah, it's like a full body because I broke the leg right at the top of

the knee. So if they didn't immobilize me from the hip down, then my leg was going to basically make the letter L at the bottom. So yeah, it was really gross. It was so when it broke, the noise was so loud that the guys on the team ran off the field because they thought the ref had shot a gun. Yeah. Everyone everyone makes that face when I'm immune to it, but at this point, but but you're probably out like a light. Oh. I was not out like a light for about six more hours until somebody

shot me up with light out juice. Were conscious? Oh, I was conscious. It actually didn't if I didn't move, Um, it actually didn't hurt that bad. So I was laying in a gurney at a hospital for like four hours. But this isn't big moment in your life, because when you're in this full body cast is when you decided to really become great a guitar. Yeah. There was, yeah, it was, it really was. There was there was nothing

to do. I had two who's come to pretend to teach me things and basically it was, you know, listening to music and playing you know, my brother's guitar, and uh, when we had come home from Woodstock, my buddy and I had decided to start a band. And this was where I actually got to the point where I said, you know, I could do that because I wasn't much of a guitar player before then. But by the time the cast came off, I was I was good enough to start, you know, our first band. How long was

the cast on? You know, I don't remember, all these years later, I feel like it was on for months, but it was probably you know what, eight weeks maybe something like that. Most of my senior most of the beginning of my senior year. So remember back to your senior year in high school and think what it would have been like to just hear about everything that's going on and your home in a really stinky room. Yeah kid mean by that, I don't Yeah. Yeah, it was

very sad. Okay, But this is crazy because if that wouldn't have happened, you wouldn't learn guitar. Something I think is really interesting. You must be a visualizer and you must believe in like magic in the secret because you listen to three records over and over again while you were like hold up. And the first one was the Pure Prairie League album, second one was Carol King's Tapestry,

and the third one was Abbey Road. Now tell me why that's amazing, all three of those albums, because they were the three records that I taught myself how to play guitar too. And when I grew up and became a professional musician, I was the lead singer of Pure Prairie League. I toured the world playing with Carol King,

and I wrote like three albums with Ringoff. So out of those three albums, those are the three that that ended up being your career being my career in a in a in a tiny nutshell, do you think you drew it to yourself because you loved it so much? I don't know. I'm not a big believer in that kind of a thing, but you know, but they asked me some kind of explanation for something that's very odd. You know what, I probably what I probably have done.

I probably blocked out the Sound of Music album that I had and the Carpenter's Greatest Hits album that I blocked all that out, and I've reduced it down to those three because its but but literally, seriously, those were the three records that I learned to. When I read that, I honestly couldn't believe it because those are no small feats. And Vince Gil he was the one who was the lead singer Pure Prairie League before you. Yeah, I took

his place. Okay, Yeah, yeah, that's kind of crazy because he and I got inducted into the Songwriter Hall of Fame in the same year. And uh, I'll get that hold on, um my phone is broken and literally is okay, so this is crazy. You're in the Songwriters Hall of Fame too, Yeah, I am that's that is that is great. Fourteen number ones you write? What else did already? You have fourteen number ones? You have? Is it? Thirty two? Top forties, twenty four top tens, a lot of songs.

So Advance got inducted at the same time to the Country Music Hall of Fames. Yeah, that was a nice coincidence to you know, And and uh, that's something I'm really really proud of. I just I didn't think I was going to end up being a songwriter, but you know, to be acknowledged like that, it's pretty great. So your first song the y ever wrote became a hit for

Juice Newton, Right, Is that how you got to Nashville? Yes, I wrote a song in my backyard and I had some people in New York that we're helping me, and they played it for a guy here in Nashville and they recorded it, and I was that's what made me stop being an electrician, and I just, you know, I I started to make enough money to be a professional songwriter, and I would just stay home raising a couple of kids, writing songs at night in Connecticut. In Connecticut, you just

write them and sent them off national nations. I actually had like four hits before, you know, just living in Connecticut sending them through the mail. Which hits that I had? I had The Loves Been That's my job, Conway Twitty, I had Burned like a Rocket, Billy Joe Royal, make My Life with You, oak Ridge Boys. Those were all while I still lived in Connecticut. So you're like, oh my gosh, this is easy. Yeah. Yeah. My first song

was a pop hit. My second song was a number one country hit, like the first two songs I've ever recorded, And that's when I kind of said, why am I being electrician. Who does? Who does? Why doesn't everybody do this?

Like this is like no brainer? Yeah and so, but you just were really good and you didn't maybe realize how great you well, but no, and then it stopped and it went a couple of years, and then you know, and and then you get it and you think you're never going to get another song on the radio, and then you get another one and you know. It just it was a lucky streak that that that threw me into it at like a hundred miles an hour, and then it calmed down and it became the job that

it stayed for twenty something years. So how did you get to Nashville? You got the four hits? Yeah, in Connecticut in a real traditional way. I would come down. The people in Nashville that we're listening to my songs and cutting them basically said to me, you know, you should come down and write with other people. You know, that's the weird thing. I wrote all by myself, but so those are all by yourself. That's a lot of dope. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was really that was brief either, huh.

I had a publishing deal with those guys that were helping, but especially back in the day you're finally making serious cash. That awesome. Yeah. But and and there was you know, there seemed to be a lot more radio stations back then too. Yeah. So, uh, I started to come down like once every couple of months to Nashville, and then it was once a month, and then it was two weeks out of the month. And that was when I finally said, uh, you know, it's it's time to make

a move. And we initially thought about moving the whole family down here, but you know, things were shaky, and it ended up where it was the logical place for you know, my wife and I too. We ended up getting divorced and I moved down here and and she stayed up in Connecticut, Okay, and Georgia. You can chime in on this. The Nashville songwriter community, it's like unlike

anything else. There's two rows in Nashville, sixteen and seventeen Street, and basically like people go and they write songs and it's a job. Yeah, that's a crazy profession. Yeah, And nowhere else in the world do they do that. And it's like yeah, yeah, maybe all the way back in like the real building back in New York when it was sort of a songwriting a couple of buildings that were songwriting factories, and this is that sort of a deal just spread out over a whole bunch of smaller buildings.

Can you guys believe it's your career and your profession to wake up and write saying, Oh my gosh, my phone is broken. Okay, my rainger, have this mofy and it it doesn't turn off? What's that? It's an extra and it doesn't it charges your phone? But mine's broken, So now my phone never turns on silent? Oh yeah, it's terrible. Um what were you saying? Music? Can you believe? Can you believe our career? But the weird thing is is how easy it was for you to male songs

back and forth. When I was ten years old, We can't. My dad brought me my little sister to Nashville. You wrote your first song it to Wait Wait have it. It's called what did you call it? This Girl's Dinner Home. I didn't work because I thought it was the cutest thing ever. You wrote a song called There's a Rainbow and Everybody's Heart. Yes, Sorgia, are you pure believe that there's a rain own Everyone's heart. You wrote that at ten years old because I didn't know any better. Now

you've seen the rain clouds. Yeah, and when we came here when I was ten years old, all the buildings, all the publishing houses work. They were houses like cute little two story houses or one story um cottages, and I felt like you could just stalk on the door and they let you in. I like, what a cool place. And sometimes you have to think it's that easy to get your first step, you know, to take your first step,

and then you find out it's almost impossible. But at least you take that step and you knock got that door, and then you start finding there. It's not so easy, but yeah, a little by a little, you get there. If you're if it's meant to be like that in Georgia, we gotta come back to you. But you also moved to New York and l A to do acting and music. I gotta hear story. Okay, we're gonna wrap up, Gary, not yet, but so tell me what it was like.

You know, it's a it's a very long legacy. I want to throw out some of your number one I don't know what these were all the chart, but you had try to think about Elvis for Patty loveless, can't be really and to McGraw to be loved by you? Why Nona too busy being in love? Doug Stone, That's my job, Conway Twitter watch Me, Lorie Morgan, Love Lorie Morgan in a week or two, Diamond Reo love It.

That was one of my favorites. What mattered most h Herndon on the side of Angels, Nothing about Love makes sense, Lean Rhymes, Nobody Wants to Be Lonely, Christina Aguilera, Ricky Martin. These are just a smidgeon of some of the songs. Yeah, well, what was the biggest song you had? You know what biggest is a you know? You can? You can? You know? I Suddenly lost? It depends on what you mean by the biggest. The most successful was probably the very first one because it was a pop bit, so that made

a lot a little bit hard on me. Right, let's be a little bit hard on me. The most impactful song I ever had was probably the Conway Twittery song that I wrote about my dad passing away, because they still played that every Father's Day and I still get tons of, you know, letters and emails from people that

hear it around Father's Day and it moves them. Um. You know, as far as the most successful country song, it was probably what madd and most at ty Herndon's because people still people, people teach that song in writer classes like up at Berkeley, in places like that. You know, so, Um, you know there's different criteria for what makes it biggest, But you know, I've had more than my share of ones that that were pivotal. How do you guys write? What? How do you write a song? Do you write what

coming to you? Do you try to fit a formula? Do you try to write for someone in particular? What has been your most successful songs? Where have they come from? It's a really good question. Um, don't suck up to her. It's just a question. I like. I like to read, and I pull words out of books that strike me as interesting, the way words get put together. Um, I I think you like to do this to You like to start with the title A lot of times for me.

I mean, there was that whole analogy about Michelangelo and David. The statue. He didn't carve David. He chipped away at the stone and there he was. I feel like a good song idea for me, If I can see it formed before it's written, that's what I want to attack. Okay, so you have like the idea of how it could look, and then I started attacking it. If I can't see it, it's really hard for me to You need to vision it. I do because that kind of that unfolds, the structure

of it kind of unfold. And sometimes I mean, I also love jamming on music and having the music tell me what the lyrics should say. So I like to work backwards that way too. How do you do it? I remember when I first came to town, uh, talking to the great Harlan Howard, the great songwriting country songwriters, And you know, his philosophy was, if you don't have that great idea it, then don't even bother sitting down,

Go have lunch, go have a drink. But you need to have that great idea where somebody sits down and goes, I want to write a song about boom, and you can express it in like one sentence to say this

is what I want to write about. He says. Those are the songs that not only means something, but they're the easiest to write because you have a definitive point of view, and you have a story that you're going to tell if you just are writing of you know, general I Love you song or a general this or that said it's really really hard, and he said, you know, and he'll spend the first half hour of the day kicking around the ideas and if and if he didn't

hear the idea, okay, was off to lunch, off to lunch. So can you go into a room with no idea but kick around ideas and one hum? Sure? Like I mean, I like to throw out My favorite part of a writing day is throwing out ideas and seeing what resonates with me and the co writer. If nothing is resonating, then I like to just talk about stuff and just

see if something just happens. Especially if you're writing with an artist, you want to write a song that relates to whatever they're going through in their life because you want them to want to sing yeah, you know, and and it's cathartic and they want to get something out in a song. Sometimes they don't know how to do it, but you might hear something they saying that that's the title,

that's the idea. Yeah, yeah, so that's really good. But when you're writing with another writer, you just kick around ideas and sometimes it's just word playing. A lot of times it's the same thing you're talking and then suddenly you're saying, you know, somebody says something and you go it, Yeah, that would make a song. That's a title right there when you you said this once a bit about when

you pitch movie ideas. Not you personally, but if if a screenwriter is going to pitch to a producer, they have to say in one line what this movie is about. And if you can't say that about your song, then it's kind of hard to know what the song is it. It would be nice if you can bring it down to one big idea and it looks like this, and

then you can write it. We were writing with somebody the other day and the song didn't really it was sort of about a lot of things, and it was really hard to finish because we didn't have any real clear target we were raining for. You know, so when a lot of when a lot of lines will get you where you want to go, that's a lot harder than than finding the one great one that gets you there. Okay, it's very interesting synopsis. Okay, so tell me how you actually met your hair. He's a dog, not a man.

I wonder what was the only man in Georgia's hair? And the truth comes out? So how did you link up with Carole King and Ringo Star? How did that happen? I know you visualize it because you listen to their albums all the time, But how did it actually happen?

You know, when when when you get on a streak the way I did Stare in the nineties, it was crazy and on the other the other yeah, literally, I mean it was like you, I write a song on Monday, and I turned it in at the end of the day, and by Wednesday they would tell me that somebody was cutting it. And by Friday they would say, oh, it's gonna be the next single. And it was. That's how fast it seemed like Nashville worked back. Did you just get used to this? You know kind of? You know

kind of? I mean, I I like to think because if this all happened to me later, I mean, I wasn't in my twenties. I was in my thirties and forties, so I wasn't delusional. I mean, there was a part of me that I knew that it wasn't going to always go like that, but there was, you know, the other part of me that I was saying, wouldn't it be nice if it did? But the point is when you have that kind of a streak, you get tons of opportunities. Everybody wants you to go somewhere and right

with these people, right with these people. So you know, in in one case, um, really, I got to go to a writing retreat a bunch of years in a row in the middle of France at this castle and they still have they still have it every year. It was owned by Miles Copeland, who managed the police. Um and you know, we go over there and there was everybody from you know, famous you know, Ted Nugent, Carrol King, Share bon Jovi, all the way to down to young writers.

There were sort of three levels young writers, big stars and workman professional writers like us and Georgia went to that castle. I went to that castle. And when I went to that castle was when I met Carol, and a couple of years after we met, she put a tour together and called me up and asked me to do it with her and you and thing guitar bass and saying okay, because you play a lot of instruments. Yeah, I play. I play a lot of instruments, okay, and

a few instruments quite well. But also I met another guy there who turned out to be writing with Ringo, and so I got involved in that and the next thing, you know, I met so many people that opened huge opportunities for me to to get to play with some amazing people. You know you too, that's the castle. I mean, the castle was great, but I made a couple of friends. I think I was more of a loner. I didn't have that same You're a very outgoing guy, so you

made a lot of friends. I was kind of to myself and a little shy or so I didn't The castle was a great experience, but it didn't lead me to Ringo, right. But I met some great people that my Sharp who I still love and work with. She's wonderful, Kevin Savagar, those are the two I keep in touch with. But it depends on who was there with you. I wasn't there when Gary was there. I went years after Gary had done. At the time, they both just went

to the Castle separate. That was in the late nine Oh yeah, we were not And it's kind of scandal us going to the castle. It's a sexualism? Is it? Storming the moat interview? Storming? Okay, we got the title we needed. Now we can do that. We can hurt it proud. Okay. So you met Carol and Ringo from them and what did you do with Ringle? You wrote with him? You were on his albums first. They just were putting a band together to promote a new album.

So they asked me to be in that band. So you were in the band band with one of the Beatles was already dying. Yeah, kind of a huge deal. You were in a band with one of the Beatles. Every once in a while he would do, you know, a drum thing that sounded just like the Beatles, And you know, later he told me, he goes, you know, I know I'm doing that because I like to see all your head spin around, you know. So he great guy.

And then from that we, uh we started writing together and you know, I'd go over to England to his place and we would Right, you go to his house like four records. You go in his house? Yeah, yes, in his house. Did you sleep in his bed like his guest bed? Uh? Yeah, he's a big spooner. Yes, yes, delicate handsome. Were you trying to be cool or were you? Were you able to be cool? I didn't, you know what, I just reaked cool? But like in your mind, are

you freaking out there? Like I don't know if I could actually be cool in this situation and perform like you have to write, well it is. You know, this kind of stuff happens to us a lot. Is we get put into situations where we're working with people that we adore and that's killing us. And you can't act like it is. You gotta act real now, you know. You gotta walk in and just how you're doing, you know, you know, come on, shut up. We gotta gotta go

to work. And inside you just dying and go, oh my god, I just tell the Beatles to shut up. You know, remember when you first met Ringo and you were in a rehearsal and you called him ring Oh, yeah, we're we're on stage and I and we just started and like, you know, a few minutes into rehearsal, the musical director said to me, what are you? What are you singing? When you get to the bridge and I'm standing right next to Ringo, and I go well, I'm

in the in the chorus, I'm singing this part. But then when the bridge comes, I'm doubling ring and it gets real quiet, and the ring walks up to Ringo walks up. The microphone goes, He's known me thirty minutes and suddenly I'm ring. I just thought I'm gonna be handed a ticket and they're gonna say go home. Yeah, but Betty fell in love with you, and now you're a big spoon They were big spooners. Yeah, okay, so

obviously we're this is synopsis. I want to make sure I covered everything I want to what has been Oh, you were also Songwriter of the Year by Aska Billboard Nashville Songwriters Association. Like we said, you're inducted in Country Music Hall of Fame. How many people are in that? That's not even a lot of people. That's serious company being Yeah, I don't know, that'd be a really good question. But that's like Vince gils and that. Who else isn't

that that? You know? I mean, you know, Land, Harlan Howard, all the all the you know, Stephen Foster, you know, all the way back to uh, you know to Yeah, just who inducted you? Don't celebrities like get invite you in or somewhat important. It used to be where you had to be inducted by someone that was in the Hall of fame. So I was inducted by a hall of fame. Remember do you know their name? Where are who inducted you? Why is it? I can't? Is it? Whyland?

Did he get d inducted me? Okay? That's amazing? It was amazing. So out of all of your colorful career, do you have a highlight. We're gonna get to Blue

Sky Writers, which is y'all's banning in right now. What We just finished doing something that was an incredible highlight, and that was working with the Naturville Ballet and they choreographed, uh, they had three writers, Georgia, Victoria Banks and T J. J. T Harding, t J. T J. Hooker, J. D. Harding and they choreographed their songs and it was just and it was three of Georgia songs and I was just a guitar player, but it was like such a highlight.

It was this amazing you know, tell them so tell me because I would like to move on to you. This is Georgia Middleman and nothing Well, that's the word. Thing is that the opportunities are just when they when people combine different art forms. And this was they called me and said, the Nashville Ballet wants to choreograph to some of your songs. And the Blue Yes, they find

it because the Bluebird Cafe. It was an alliance between the Bluebird doing a collaboration at the Ballet, and they went through different songs and a bunch of different writers at the Bluebird and the Ballet felt they picked the songs and picked the writers based on what they felt the dancers could do what they pick. They picked a song called I'm in which I want to talk to you about that a huge song for he Urban and also the Kindley's cut that yeah they did twin did Yes?

I remember that? Remember that cut? Yes you weren't they on the beach and like the water? I just remember the Kidley. That's a different song. I think that we're in a bar or in a dark place. So how did that song change your life? It changed in every way possible because, um, I've been struggling my whole life as a singer songwriter, trying to make enough money just

to pay the rent and pay bills. And that song when it came out on the radio, and and it was a big song for me and I I guess I could just kind of relax for a minute, not for long, never for long, never for long. But what it did was it gave me the ability to do things that I couldn't do before, like join this band with Gary Blue sky Riders because like say no occasionally, yeah, yeah,

because yeah, that's the thing. Kenny Loggins also in that band, definitely, And I don't know it just I was able to say yes to certain things that would take time where you're not getting paid for anything for a while and you're building it because it's a labor of love, and that lets you build really cool things that you just didn't have the time or money to do before. So that was really it changed my life in a lot of ways. Because you were a Texas girl and then

you go to New York to be an actress. Well, I went to New York. I was an actress in high school. My dog Bucky wants to be on the interview, um, and yeah, I was an acting major in college and I went to New York University. But it was all because I was a chicken can I say a bad word. I was a chicken ship when it came to studying music because I'm not good at math, and when I took music theory, I really wanted to be a singer songwriter. But when I took music theory classes, I just I

couldn't do it. I just don't have to, I guess, not exactly exactly. So that's why I focused on acting for a while. But once I was in acting, I suddenly understood performance better as a singer, and it really helped me on stage. And I knew I wanted to be a singer songwriter, but the acting tools really helped me. It was really helpful, it really was. And as a songwriter you have three minutes to say your point and have everything support that one title. As an actor, you

have a scene in the whole. The way we studied it was what is your objective? What are you trying to accomplish? And do it and anything else is frivolous, just like songwriting, So it's really about focusing on something and driving that point home. And that's I used those skills as a songwriter, So that was not in training, not in vain. But then you got to l a though to really like take this home though, like you want to like deal. I wanted to do a deal

and I couldn't get anywhere. Were you trying to get a record deal? Were you trying to get an act helping? I didn't even try act. LA were done with acting when I tried a little bit for the acting and I just couldn't do it. I couldn't break in. And I my love was music, so I thought, that's that's good that I couldn't break into that, so let me.

I visited Nashville as a friend of mine from high school lived here, and I couldn't believe when I go to writer's Nights and see these people just like me playing their new songs, and I'm like, it was just like home, and I knew I had to move here. And again, I mean, sometimes it's good not to know how hard things are. You'll never try it. So you

got lucky right away. No, it was very hard. No, it was very hard, but it seemed like there was a community here, and there was you meet really cool people who are struggling just like you are, and struggled together exactly and your friends. You know, it's like you start doing well and I want to bring so and so with me because they wrote that song and that person liked. You gotta meet and so it's it's exactly,

it's bringing coming up with your friends. And when I got here, I thought, well, I gotta write with those big I gotta write with Gary Burr. He was like King and Nashville. When I moved to me, you really thought that, and not how do I get to him? And then there was no way because you now he's in my hair. You'd have to see the beginning of

the inDuna. But no. But it's like and then I found out it's not about writing with people, Like, yes, it's good to write with people better than you said that you grow and get better, But it's about finding people where you are that you can't getting good. Yeah, it's like we're doing it together. These are the people we have access to, our buddies who are really good, like you know, what we're doing and coming up and then suddenly you're on the same playing field as these

people you really and admire. Like college like grades, you know, like it's kind of like a campus, like you're a freshman class. You really have to kind of like stick with your class at the beginning and when you turn and you learn and you you know, you just study from the people ahead of you, and and you just trust that your turnal cop that's right. So you just have to trust that you will get you. Did you ever want to leave? Did your always really not gonna work?

Actually this morning I stopped there at the door. She had really I think you should stay? You would leave all this and Bucky and never. That's the thing that this town breaks your heart. You know. It's like you you make head when you're like, oh my god, and then it does something. You're like, oh, nope, back to square one. And then you're like no, because something else happens. And then something wonderful happens. And like your songs at the Symphony, Yes, I couldn't have seen that happen in

Nashville Ballet. It was amazing. And that's the thing about life. You just don't know. You kind of follow your muse, You follow what feels right, and you know, and even if you can't see it, you have a gut instinct. So I want to quit all the time, but I never do because I know something's gonna happens. Leap of faith right there, it is, it is I don't know what that, but it has to do with with you don't ever think that there's a plan B. As long as you have a plan B. The first sign that

isn't that something's not working out. It's a huge sign. Yeah, you don't have a plan B, and it's this or nothing. When it looks like things are going to work out, you just kind of tell yourself, well, it's not like it can't work. It has to work out. It has to work out because I don't have any alternative, so I guess this must just be a little glitch. And there's also the letting go part because for me, when things get so stressful, I go, that's it, screw it.

And then when I let go, that's when the next thing happens. So I don't know what that is. How do you the next thing is usually your suitcase at now? How do you let go? How do you let go? Because I have to remember it's about my life, not about what is expected of me or what other people. It's like people define their success by how much money can I make? How famous can I get? When I lose sight of that stuff, like when I start getting sucked into that kind of world, I forget about me. Yeah,

and I forget about what feels right here. And that's how I let go as I go. You know what, if nothing else in this music business happens for me, I still know how to write a song. I still can sing a song, and I can pick up that guitar and I get back to that. And when I get back to that, I love it. Then I remember what's important, and then other things happen. Isn't that interesting?

I mean, look at you. I mean things just happen when you're finally like walking in I guess faith of some sort that you're just supposed to do this, Like you're saying you don't have to just not have fear exactly who you like, You're just walking taking steps to your kind. This is like a black wall that you're walking into and you pray that the sun kind of

just have to trust your talent, trust yourself. The way I always feel is you know how you say, you constantly get knocked back to square one, and I just keep reminding myself that our square one, it's like, it's this place to be, It's what a cool square one to be in the music business, and you feel, you know, I'll take this. I never thought i'd get to square one knocking me back. That ain't And it's never back to the square one. You're twenty years ago. It's a

new square one. So it feels like, oh, I gotta start all of it. But it's never that cause but you forget that you're not because you're not a freshman anymore, and you have so much success under your belt, huge amount of success. It's like frightening. It's like you can't even count. Oh my god, you know, like to hit leather chair, it's actually gold with leather covering. Namee yours is how successful you are. Naming your top ten biggest hits right now? You can't. I couldn't. I couldn't name.

I don't know anything. I don't know any like figures and numbers and things like that, other than the fact that when I go to the A T. M. And I need sixty bucks, it will give me sixty bucks up. That makes me a happy man. I was driving in the car listening to M Prime country satellite radio Serious and this song came on and I went, oh my god, I never it was such a great, great song. I hadn't heard it was an old hit but I didn't

know it. And I pulled over and I went, just the way it was constructed, I went, oh, I don't know who wrote that, and I want to write with that writer. I want to how do I find that? It was just so inspiring to me. I pulled my car over Wikipedia the song and it was written by Gary Berr and I went, yeah, and that's how many hits he's has. I didn't know half of what he's done. And I was like, right with him, I sleep with that guy. Yeah, yeah, I did you really? Really? Yeah?

I mean that's like some serious co writing. Yeah, I love it. So, Georgia, tell me the most important songs that you have written. Obviously I'm in huge and Keith Urban is so gracious and sweet and sexy, very sexy. I mean he is, you know he is. Gary, Come on, say he doesn't do it for me? Really? Who does it for you? Ringo? Gosh um wow um. Different songs.

I have a song called Table thirty two that I wrote that I was a waitress here in town at the Green Hills Girl, and it was a true story that happened, and I wrote it into a song and that what I like about that song is it's it's kind of brew all, but it's true. What's it about? It's about It's about this couple that sit down. I'm the waitress, singing the song and this, and I'm tired, and it's been a dove. I worked a double shift and this couple comes in and he's a lot older

than her. She's like in her twenties, seas and his fifties. And they sit down right when we're about to close the restaurant. I'm like, no, I was just about to get off work. And they sit down and they're laughing, and I'm just I'm being very judgmental because I wanted to go home and they're laughing and having in their ordering wine and and you know, I was anyway, I said, having a rendezvous? Are we? This is interesting? And I was trying to be buddies with them, their waitress and

I find out she says, a rendezvous. No, this is my father and we just met at this table to cry. It was my table and they could have set them at any table. And I was so annoyed that night, and I'm like, and that turned everything around. Oh my gosh, that like gave me full body children. And that's one of my favorite songs because it's people love that song. It's never been recorded, I don't. It has for a

few independent artists, and I said it. I mean when she starts that song, when she plays out people and they don't know. They just think with a younger woman and having a date, and the whole song is written to paint the picture of something fish, something funny's going on here because he's wearing a wedding ring and she is, and so the whole song talks about it looks like an affair and they're just laughing and he's so much older and this white is just like jeez, guys, go

get a room. And then she finds out she was completely wrong, and it's like, what a true story? So I don't know. But the point is it's the South. They were still sleeping the stop it. She was adopted, right, So I was okay. Yeah. It actually brings me to another question. Do you guys feel like authentic stories and authentic songs are the best ones that you have authenticity that that was lucky because it was true and that happened.

That happened. But a lot of times somebody can if it's a if a piece of that story was true. It's our job to make it the most interesting story may be, so as long as some part of it is so Hardyeah, I think that's important. What do you guys think about the Nashville system, which is like basically, Okay, let's write a pop hit country song and let's try to get it cut on Carrie and Wood. And I don't have a problem with that. You know, when when McCartney and Lennon used to sit down, they used to

sit down and go, let's write a pool. What is that pool? I'd like to buy a pool. Let's just write a great hit song so that I can buy a pool. And there's nothing wrong with that. People at the Borrow building that I want let's write a song that the sharels are going to do because I have a baby on the way and we need some money. But also when did it have to be more than that? Also? I need your candy? You know. I love a great story or a great song or great melody, but sometimes

I need to not think. And when I'm listening to the radio and I just hear some catchy song, it's not good. It feels great. So there's different jobs for every So I think and the that's a good point. Different jobs for every song. Yeah, and the and the little light up tempo radio songs. There's some of the

hardest things to write. Easy to write a great, memorable two and a half minute up tempo song walking on Sunshine that you try writing that song, that's hard and it's love that is that's always more lightning in a bottle than craft. A great writer can always sit down and write a five minute lots of verses taking somebody from Kansas to Ottawa and all their adventures along the way. But somebody that's going to capture a love me do in two and a half minutes, that's lightning that hit them.

And that's rare because there are so many like ditties. To have one that stands out like that is really hard written. Your everybody thinks they can write a two and a half minute radio song, but yeah, but only we can't. Did you all have stop trying? Thinking like the course of your songs have been all styles, right, Yeah, that's the beauty of Nashville. When they put you with different artists you learned to I mean, I grew up on country music, pop music, um, Broadway music, like all

kinds of stuff. That's that makes you well rounded in terms of your musical world. And so when you write with different people, you start finding this is a real R and B kind of act. They love this kind of thing. You can pull it out of your arsenal as a writer when you can adapt to different and it makes for interesting songs. Even in the country music genre, you have R and B flavored stuff, rock stuff, pot stuff. That's cool to me. Yeah, if we had to just

keep writing the same thing every day, more awful. But you know you can go when you can write, you know, all different styles. It's it's that's that's what makes it fun. Okay, So you guys both have amazing voices. Not only your incredible songwriters and musicians, you'll also have amazing voices. Did you guys ever think your big break and career would come as a married team, like after you guys, because

you had a record deal, right record? Yeah, So, like, did you guys think that y'all would have a record deal with not record? I don't know what you guys have with Kenny login Kenny Loggins. Yeah, that's kind of like just a surprise. Yeah, how did that happen? How did the Kenny Loggins band happen with the three. It's called Blue Sky Writers because that's another like what and we have our own record label. We're doing it as an Indian band. But but it does have to do.

He came to town to write with people, and writing with somebody doesn't necessarily mean that you're writing with somebody that can sing as well. And he wrote with a whole lot of people in town. But when he and I wrote together, every time we hit the chorus, we'd be singing together and he'd going, it's like the Everly Brothers. And it was a real treat because he was writing with other people that weren't singers equal to their writing.

And and then he hit us, and then he hit Georgia, and he suddenly realized that that it was more than just the writing. And then boom, it was two parts, three parts, and uh, that's when he said, that's when

he called me. Yeah, it starts with the writing. But he was so pleasantly surprised that we all sounded so great singing together that that's what really worked for us is the fact that before we were writers, we were lead singers of bands and and harmony singers and bands and we've made our living sometimes singing harmonies on other people's albums. I still here on the radio go oh, that's me singing all the all the backgrounds on that song.

So the fact that we were singers, harmony singers, when it was like, oh, we could do this one little package, and he called me up and said, I know this sounds silly, but let's make a record. And when that happened, who is this? That's what I said. Who wouldn't do? Who would make a band with the Gambler? And what's exactly and what's cool about is Kenny took the initiative

to do it. I've written with people and when you hear their voices and you're singing along as you're trying to learn, you're trying to figure out what the parts could be once the song is done and record how it's going to be recorded, and you hear these amazing voices. But nobody's pursuing a singing career. They're just writing songs for other people. For Kenny to go, hey, let's take this to the next level was really cool because I

certainly didn't expect that. I was happy to just write with you guys, but because we all sounded so good together. Suddenly somebody had the idea, Kenny did, let's let's record and see what made a whole album and it's called Finally Home, the second album to finished. Why not that we just finished? And why is it called why not? It's one of the songs on there. It's just a good optimistic you know what. We kind of well, people are like, why would you make a second record? Why

would you do that? Why not? Why would you? Good? Feels right? We like the works that we keep doing it. You know, Kenny was at a point where he was in town writing for the next record, but it was another and this is a kind of quoting him, so he would he would agree with this, it's another Kenny record. And he didn't know if he had anything to say for another yet another Kenny. He's had a lot of albums. And that's when he kind of said, you know, if

not that, what else? Well that you know that thing with Gary and Georgia that excited me. Maybe that's the way that I could get my artistic ya yas out without having that weight on my shoulders of now, what are you going to say? Okay, So that's what he did. We helped him say two thirds of what he wanted to say. So he was vols and she's the articles. So maybe he wasn't like bored of himself because he's yeah, yeah, shut up, the articles. Yeah are articles and very good.

So that's so it was kind of like he was needing a little Joe than his creativity. Yeah, because you kind of get stagnant maybe with yourself after a while. Absolutely, And that's the fun thing of collaborating is you can find people. You you go through different people and you go, oh my god, that was electric with that person. Electric why not do it again? Electricity is the goal in this town. You're always having that excitement in that spark.

But there's so many people, so many things to do, so many I mean, I've written great songs with people and had the best time, and it's a year before I ever get back around to them because we're also busy doing things. And to have that, to have him on the phone, you know, saying no, come on, let's really do this. You know, it's the first it's like oh, yeah, yeah, great, yeah, yeah,

that's gonna happen. It's not ever gonna happen. Yeah, and then boom, he was really followed through, and he followed through Keith what's his name? On No Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. They were interviewing Keith Richards on some TV show and they said, tell me about your collaboration with Mick, and he said, my job, I can't speak British. My job is to turn Mac on, Like I do things that make him go, oh, let's try this. And I

think that's my jeb two. When I enter a collaboration of any kind, my job is to bring something fun and cool. You walk in, girl and everyone's turned on. Fine, you already got it going for yourself. I mean you're starting off on the right, but so musically turn on. It's what you're talking about, exact musically for the most part. If the other happens, you can't help this. What kind gave you? What it is? It's the what it is? So what it is? So do you guys go on

a tour bus with Kenny Loggins? What is life living with him? Like? When we are yeah, on the tour bust We're all in our underwear and he wears like what kind of underwears everyone wearing? That's that we can't tell that are you wearing your thong running around the buck. You are I knew you. You guys are some freaky ship were freaky you know what it's it's just it's it's just really fun. We uh, you know, they route the tour and we'll be in Colorado going from town

to town to town. Some days you wake up and you've got like a two hour ride and you're in the next place and you're hanging out all day. And then sometimes, you know, you wake up and you go, oh god, we're gonna be on the bus for eleven hours. Everyone thinks bus like, riding the bus is so sexy, you know, like it's so sexy, like if there's so much like you know, back in the days, like hooking up and drugs and alcohol and like flash and done a lot. So now just yeah and a TV that

freezes every time the movie starts getting good? So is it sexy on the road? Now? All you can do is hope that when the bus stops, you're near a mall. That's the best thing I can hope for, is it there's a place to eat in walking distance? Right? Yeah, we have we have very low expectations, but I please give us a ruby Tuesdays and Spencers gets oh Spencer, Sorry, I was I like Spencers and some good stuff, everything, everything, a little of everything, So they still have Spencers. It's

it's happening. So Gary, I've heard you say this before, that you okay. You guys probably write songs many days out of the week, and you've done this for years, so obviously not every song you've written has been cut by an artist, which cut means recorded. So you said, you have these orphans songs that are just like all these amazing songs that at one point a lot of them sparked electricity in you and you love but they just have no home. Right, What happens with those? And

how does that make you feel? Well? The good thing is is because I can sing, or you can sing. If I have an orphan song like that and I really love it that much, it's my job to record it and go perform it and get audience feedback, and if I get enough, if certain songs, I try them out when I do solo shows, and if certain songs resonate. That's what happened a table thirty two. I was playing it out and I get emails that, oh, we know that song. They played on the Radio Ireland in London.

I have no idea how they got their hands on it, but it's like when you find what resonates, then it's my job to collect those songs and make a record, and it's my job to continue my passion. If no one else is going to buy it or record it, then it's my job too. If it's worth doing, If I love it that much, I gotta get it out there. Do you feel like you owe it to the song? I do, and not every song is worthy of that.

But you find out I mean, I you know, Yeah, you play songs you're excited about, and you play them you get a great reaction, so you pull it out periodically, or you get like try it two or three times and don't get the reactions yourself. I guess, you know. Yeah, I wrote a song fifteen years ago that I thought was a good piece of work. I thought was I thought it really was an important song for me to have written, and it just sat there because I loved

us No, you know. It's a song called Younger and I would play and every time I would play it, whoever I played it for would go crazy for it. And I played it in New York at a show with a writer friend of mine named Billy Man, probably ten years ago, and he loved it. All this great, it's great, and I went my way. He went his way. He climbs in the business. I climbed in the business.

And a couple of you know, like last year, he calls me up and says, you know, I know that I don't own this sign't of anything to do with the song, but I love this song. So I pitched this song and Joe Cocker recorded the song. It's like on the last album right before he died. It's one of the last songs because I just meant something to Billy him and I wrote it fifteen years ago and now it's on the last Joe Cocker record, like this beautiful,

definitive version of it that I'm really proud of. And now that is out there in the universe, and who knows, well, you're that got a life performance. Billy wouldn't have heard it. And that's why it's our job to get things out here here if we keep it in our closet. We have a giant closet full of this stuff. The way you know other people have sweaters every once in a while you rotate them and bring them out and try them out, you know, because you never know. They're not

cottage cheese. There's no expiration. And how crazy though that like that story? For instance, Billy he's obviously so successful and to be so non competitive that he would because pitched his own song, that he would pitch the song of yours just because he believes in music so much. That's really special. That kind of community is really special. That like that you believe in songs and if they're not yours, Yeah, that's really awesome. I mean, I don't

care for his songs, but what matters. His taste and my taster are equally good. So that story sounds magical, which makes me wonder, do you guys believe in magic? I do? I mean, I believe you have to prepare for the magic. I believe. You know. I met somebody recently said I really want be a singer. I said, what are you doing about it? She does nothing. I just want to be discovered. I go, so what are you doing about it? She's like, well nothing, And I'm like, okay,

well then you're not going to be discovered. You have to let people hear. You have to write songs and get it out there for for people to experience. Otherwise you're not doing your job. Once you do that as a songwriter or performer, then magic happens. You attract it, but you have to put it out there. You have to do the work too. Yeah, I understand weird things happen,

but it happens because somebody put it out there. If you hadn't played it that night, you wouldn't be sitting with a Joe Cocker record on that shof right now. You just pulled it out. I mean, you have to prepare, you believe in putting yourself out there. You have to. I think you have to do a lot of what you think and what from the outside looks like magic and lightning. Really you know, yeah it's lightning. But we spent years building the big metal poll. That's exactly that's true.

That's a good way of putting it. I mean, you should be like in the Country Music Hall of Fame, Why not the country building the pole that is, that's what we need to do. That's exactly what poles I mean, thongs. Sure, it all comes back to you know, I see what the real underlying tones are of this relationship Okay, anything else you'll need me to know, like tell me something crazy, just a wild story that someone would freak out what they heard. Really. Yeah, she used to wait at me

at the Green dating. We didn't know each other, and I used to always go there. Is that how y'all met? Originally I used to go there and try to get seated in her see her because she was just like the cutest thing. And then I found out that she was like a writer and a singer in town, and I guess we hadn't say stay away from her, you know, we would have that to talk about in common. And then she got a record deal and they did up

to write with me. Remember when I said, I, I don't know if I told you today when I said, I was in my publishing office. I got my first deal and they said, who do you want to write with? And I said, Gary Burr? I want to write with Gary Burr. Well that's not gonna happen. And then I got a record deal. So again I was doing the work, I was writing the songs, and I got a record deal and suddenly I'm in a position where he might want to write with me because he might get on

my record. We write the right song. So that's that's building the poll to your And I wanted to write with Gary really all about this poem. You love that poll? I do. But how crazy though that you can had a vision board like you had your sides on? Gary? Hey? Who Yeah? And then for years and years and years, every time I was single, she was you know, I'd run it to her and the first thing out of her mouth was always, oh, I want you to see my new boyfriend. Yeah, I didn't know he was interested

in A really cool thing happened. You know. I got out of a long term relationship and I ran into Gary at a party and he said, how's it going. He said, oh, you know with my boyfriend? Said we broke up? And he said really And he said what's wrong? And I said, I always left the window open. I was. I never could quite commit to anybody I've been with because I have this open window and I want to shut it one day. But he said, what you will when you find the right person. And I hope so.

And that was ten years ago. I mean that was did you guys write open window? No great idea? You gotta ride that. It's a great idea, that it's really good. I know, if there's your vision, Yeah, that's a really good idea. Thanks. I used to be a songwriter. I write what I wrote with people like Gary Byr and Georgia Middleman. When once in my life that's really good. That's he gave me great advice and and a little did I know we were going to date a few

years after that? So how do you put the moves on? When did you guys know you loved each other? M hm um, whether you know what I just I got. I found myself single. I was out of a relationship, and I decided to be proactive about it. And I sent her a message saying, uh, you know, I'm not looking to write it. I'm not looking to your up front. Just I want to take you out, you know, I want to take you out to dinner if you're if you're not seeing anybody, and I said, perfectly, you're seeing someone.

I was seeing somebody and I went. But I was like, oh my god, because we're excited. Oh my god. I had a Christian would be But I didn't know he liked me. I just knew I liked to break up with your boyfriend. Well, I didn't bring up with him but I emailed her. He said, where the where the hell were you six months ago when I was single and I was just flirting, but I couldn't believe. And then he and then he laid the big bomb. And the guys out there, if you like a girl who's unavailable,

here's what you do. What was the big bomb? He said, Damn, I should have asked when you were waiting tables twenty years ago. I should ask you then. And that meant he liked all that time, and I had no wait years. I like her a long time. You guys have had like this love tension for twenty years, and try dating a guy. It was a brand new relationship. I was with guy with that in your head and you love it. Okay, so you had to break up? How long were you

with him? And then you said pizza, you got Gary, I'm available. Did y'all make out for four weeks? I mean, the said the guy. It's not like we were long term or anything. When you guys got together, y'all make out first night. The first night, I got sick to my stomach, and you're nervous. It was so nervous, And he said, why are you sick? Why do you feel bad, And I said, because I'm afraid of what's coming next. And he said, you mean this, you mean every kissing.

Then she threw up all over the cover that was and then you are together ever since, pretty much inseparable, like like stripper on a pole. Yeah again, man, you guys would like to Beyonce and jay Z of the not that Beyonce and jay Z. Beyonce silver Stein and jay Z. Schwartzman, we are just like that exactly. You guys are are power couple. Hey, it's a lot of fun. I mean it's so fun. You know at night? Will you know nothing on TV? Let's get down stairs, red song?

Is that what ya do? But it sounds done. That sounds like we're professional. You are professional. No, we do do that. We'll just we're sitting upstairs and hey, let's go run into the piano and write a song. We just did a duo album together. Middleman. We're doing tours and and and shows and things like that. Your middle member,

your Blue sky Riders. You're individually Georgia Middleman and Gary Burn just did a show a couple of months ago where we backed up Carol Carol King where we're bannedly you yeah, and here we're gonna back at coming up. Can't say yeah, okay, you never know, there's someone on the horizon. Everyone be looking. Can you guys believe that this is your life? Is this what you dreamed it would be? Right? We can truly say you love your life like you're living or terrific? Yeah, it's fun. Life

should be fun everyone. So many people think you just have to wake up and get like a regular job, like an electrician. There's anything wrong with that, but like, you know, do a career path. But really, don't you think if you follow your passion you can make a living in life. You're good at it. You have to be some people. Some people aren't. It's tricky, yeah, and they can spend I remember it killed me. I ran into a guy he was in an audience and he said, how did you do this? How did you get do

this for a living? And I that's a big question. I don't know. We all have different paths. But he said, I've got this family, i can't do what I really want to do. And I'm like, oh, he chose family, which is like the best choice you can make. And he's resentful and I'm like, oh, so if people are are electricians or they do a day job nine to five, there's nothing wrong with that as long as they can

exercise their passion. True, sometimes the nine to five is a passion, but if it's not, as long as they have an outlet for the other stuff, it doesn't have to be the career. You could just be fun as long as you have and go downstairs. Because you had to write. So that was my that was going to save me for you know, And uh so you had

to do it. Yeah, I had to do it. But you know, but kids, the kids were there and taking care of and loved and secure, and and I just I knew that the way to make them very safe and secure is to work as hard as I could at at the lottery business. No one, you know, you don't win the lottery being an electrician. You can win the lottery being a songwriter. And that's luckily what happened to me, and I was able to do it full time and stay in the lottery business. My favorite movie

in the world is Mr. Helen's Opus. If he was just a music teacher, just a music teacher, and he affected all these kids, and he really wanted to be a star, and he wanted to get his music out to the masses, and he never did and he felt like a failure. And then he sees these kids come back and show him what they did for their lives and it's like it's because he aspired them. He did, and he didn't think he was worth anything, but he that's those are the kind of stories that resonate with me.

Is real people and not those stars. I like real stories. That's where life is. And when I was a waitress and that happened to me at table thirty two with that couple, I went, I'm supposed to be a waitress. Stop beating yourself up for not being The music got incredible inspiration. Exactly. That's life. And if you don't have life, what good is music and writing songs and none of that matters. You've got to experience life, and people forget that anything. I gotta be a star, I gotta be

now you don't go experience life. And maybe you'll like to definitely become a star because you're doing all the right things or not. And who cares if you're exercising your passion, Yeah, do it, even if it's not professionally. You gotta exercise of your passion somewhere. You have to because if you don't, it will eat you alive. I agree with that. So I like to end my podcast with a segment called leave your Light, so leave me inspiration. I like that. I want a separate inspiration both. Okay,

leave your life? Is that what it's called? Wow? Can we think? Do you have one yet? And it's some inspiration. It's some inspiration that you have lived by or that's encouraged you or helped you or that. Oh yeah, yes, here's mine. I have a saying. Brian Andreas is an artist. He does these really cool sculpture drawings um and paints them and he puts these really cool sayings and it's hanging in our bathroom. But it says it's hardest to love the ordinary things. She said, but we get lots

of opportunities to practice. And for me, it's it's everyday life that people want bigger, they want more and more, and it's like, when you can love your everyday life, that's the most you could ever get. And that feeds everything about your life, that feeds your creativity and your job, and it seeps that love of the little ordinary things feeds and makes a great life. And then, like you said, it brings opportunities to it attracts wonderful things that I

love it too. Hey, you're at the top back, Gary ber Yeah, I can't talk. You have to you have well, you have to add at least accentuate essentially. Well, I don't know if I do either. You know, I always told my kids that if you just try to be the best you can be at whatever you choose to be, and you can, in a funny way, you can get away with murder no matter what you do for a living. If you make yourself indispensable, and if you make yourself precious to someone, then they, you know, they you get

cut a lot of slack. You you get. When I was an electrician, I tried to be the best one I could be because when I would go to my boss and say I need to go to New York City and do that most for my other job, he would let me gladly because I was valuable to him and I was. I was, you know, he respected how hard I worked when I was there, and and uh, you know that's what I tried to tell the kids, is you just you just try to be the best you can be, because, like Joe DiMaggio said, you know,

he they asked, somebody asked me. He was hurt and he was older, and you're asking why he, you know, ran so far to get a ball when he could have just let it bounce and let the other guy get it. And he said, you know, there could be some kid in the stands and this is his only time he's ever gonna see me play, and I want him to see me. I want him to remember me being, you know, great and trying and you know, so that's

the attitude that I've always had. I tried to write every song great because somebody out there made that may be the only song of mine every year. So you don't want it, you don't put corners or half as No. I never, I never do, and I never I think every song deserves maximum attention because there are songs that I didn't think m You know, when you finish a song, sometimes you think, oh, this is amazing, and sometimes sometimes

I literally think, well, it's a song. But I'm not the best judge because some of those songs that I thought, I don't I don't know, I mean, it's a song, got recorded and ended up being a song that some family buried somebody too, and they've written me and told me, my my father just died and we played such and such a song and it's trun And I'm saying to myself, I didn't think that was all that great when I wrote it. Something else I didn't. Apparently I didn't write

it for me. You were just the vehicle that got it out there. That's a whole bunch of different you know, that's a whole bunch of candles. But put them again. Do whatever you're doing. Do whatever you're doing. Do it because that's what you attract that and other people. You know, if I work as hard, if I see you working so hard, it's like I gotta I want it attracts that and other people. We all want to be like that. That's so true, Okay. George Middlewan and Gary Burr, everyone

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