Hi, Hi, Carol. She's a queen and she's getting not afraid to fail, so just let it flow. No one can Carol sounds Carol. Okay, I'm so excited because I'm here with Danielle Bile, the greatest lash specialist. Um, what is your official title? I guess you could say specialist artist, special art. Many names, many names, and so lashes. It's something that has become very important to me. I never knew how much I needed lashes, so I just had
my stylist sounds so boogie right now, lash awesome. List all the things I just had my stylist on Kirby Ryan Style. Everyone needs to check her out for a wardrobe analysis. She'll change your life. And I don't think caring about how you look if you're not. I mean, there's a fine line with everything everything, but it really helps you feel a certain kind of way when you look a certain kind of way. So like lashes. When I have lashes, I feel so confident because I don't
have to wear makeup. I feel like I can just walk out and I feel great. The lashes feel long, It makes me feel empowered, It makes me feel the way I want to feel inside and that could be called vanity. I mean, maybe it is, but it gives me confidence, well cool it empowerment I mean, and so talk to talk to me about that, like your job, and how it is empowering and how like it is also vanity, but like I didn't even know it exist until I moved to Nashville and it was an option.
But now I feel like the world has opened up and you can get lashes and all sorts of stuff in a lot of places now. But tell me about how you even get into it, how you walk that line with empowerment to dine lots of questions. I mean, I think that the main thing for women these days is that anything that makes you feel better, do it. If it's lashes, if it's botox, whatever it is. If it's making you feel good, who cares, Like, as long
as you're not hurting yourself, do it. And lashes are one of those things where you get them put on, you come see us, and then you wake up every day looking at the same you look awake. You don't have to do anything. You could roll out of bed and go do anything, and people don't you know, you don't have to put anything else on. So I think maintenance. It's like maintenance. Yeah, I mean you come to see
us every few weeks and you're good to go. You don't have to do anything else if you don't want to, like so bougie like I said, But really it's it allows you to live super low maintenance because you don't have to wake up and work about You don't want to wake up earlier because they're already done. You don't have to do the mascara routine where you're trying to scrub it off at night and somehow you still wake up with it completely under your eyes. You don't do
any of that, just skip it all. Besides me hate taking makeup off, Yeah, I hate taking makeup off. Yeah. An hour every few weeks compared to that extra half hour every day, you're saving time, truly. Yeah. Okay, So there's so many parts to who you are, and I'm not becoming. I've been coming to get lashes now for I think over three years, I think, so before either of us had babies. Before and into Danielle. It's like
going to the hair salon. Because I'm laying here on her bed, my eyes are closed obviously because she's seeing lashes and I'm here like every two to three weeks, and I'm here for like thirty anywhere for thirty minutes an hour every like let's just call it like two and a half, three weeks, three weeks. Yeah, So you really get to know someone and we talk about everything. I like lay here and I feel like we cover everything.
But yet we never look at each other. Ifans are closed, it's a chance to be vulnerable because you don't have to look at each other. You just get to say whatever you're feeling. And people just dump stuff on you. They do, and because they can't even see so it's like they're just talking to thee they can't see us. We're basically therapist at this point. Um, they can't see us. We're no judgment zone, so you can say what you
need to say. It's it's really it's ideal. Do you ever just like are you just ever like rolling your eyes at someone and you're like, oh my gosh, shut up rolling my eyes. But sometimes when people say stuff, it's kind of like, oh, okay, all right, we're friends now. We have to be friends now because you just said that I just told me way, you just I just found out your whole life in an hour and we
just met. But it's great. It's great, and then we just continue that relationship for years and it's like it starts so easily. Do you know so much about so many people? So many people, so many people. It's kind of great though, he was rolling it. Yeah, yeah, so many people. It's good. It's good. It's especially good when friends come in and one friend has already told you something that the other friend maybe hasn't shared yet, but you already know when you're just waiting for them to share.
It's good. You're just waiting for them, You're just waiting. So talk to me about how you got started. Because you're from Indiana, Indiana and Florida not really. Yeah, our family has. It's really funny because my husband's family too, has moved to Florida. So um, we're split. But yeah, our families are basically in both and they're completely split. So my mom is still in Indiana. But that's where I grew up, small town, Indiana. Um, so yeah, you
grew up with your husband Tanner, small town? Yeah, I did, And I started dating when you were held like ten, Um, are your book photos are next to each other? No? I dated other people in between, but breakups. We had breakups in between, but it wasn't solid. Since not solid. There were like around four years or somewhere it was not but so no one really stood a chance. When you start dating, when you're tin, there's really no one.
Nobody really compares, and it's like everybody else just eventually gets really annoying and you're like, huh. And then there's that one person who you don't really seem to get annoyed with, and so nobody really Yeah, um, luckily for it. Now I'm just kidding. Um, he might say unluckily for him, but no, yeah, it's pretty much just been him. Everybody else just it's annoying. Yeah, there have been other people in between. Okay, so when did you get this very
strong work ethic? Because something that I haven't noticed about you for these few years that i've been coming is you're always adding a business on. You're like always doing something. You're doing a renovation and you're doing it yourself. You're adding on a business, you're bringing you're adding on a
different like a section to your already thriving business. It's like and your mom and you went through intometriosis and had a very long emotional journey which we talked about, which I kind of want to tap into a lot of women struggle with that and how do you find time to do all this? And when did you get this insane work ethic? Um, it took time, honestly, but I think watching both of my parents do their own
thing for your first divorced at a young age. Yeah, I was um five based almost six when they divorced, so kind of just watching them split and still do their own thing and have thriving businesses. And my dad is the type of guy who if he wants to do something, he's going to try it, no matter what it is. It's like, oh, I want to start this business or I want to go do this and it doesn't let all the like what if what if I don't make any money? Or what if it doesn't take off?
I don't really know how to do this? Yeah, what if? What do I need to learn? Like that's never been his thing. He's constantly like, Okay, I think I can do that. I'm going to do it. I admire people like that, and it does. You just have tons of energy, tons of energy and tons of like how did you learn that? Or like how did you perfect that type stuff? He's just one of those. Yeah, one of those like
he tries that he can do it. Like, um, when I was in high school, he started building a house, um, a family house, and it was like, Okay, you're gonna have the people help you, you know, and he's like, no, just to build the whole house, the whole house, built the whole house, built the whole house by himself. Did he have people come over and help him, No, but
he had to have people like help him hold stuff. No, but no. So he constructed this this lift out of wood and trusses and was like lifting trusses up by himself. Like what about like foundation and things like? Yeah. So that's the funny part, right. So, like we get a phone call from him and he's like, hey, let's go to lunch. And he calls myself and my youngest other and he's like, let's go to lunch. My middle brother was in school at the time, and uh, okay, let's
go to lunch. No, we get there and it's hey, this concrete truck is almost here and I need help because it's going to drive faster than I can smooth it out. So like, here are these tools. So y'all all lived in the house that he built. It's going to fall through. I would be a little nervous that. I hope it was a one story house. No, it was a two story house. I don't know if i'd
get on that second. And I did live in that house because it ended up being finished while Um, I had moved home after college, so it's your room upstairs. It was lived like this bonus area upstairs because I was like twenty three at this point and just being like, Dad, I'm coming to live with you because life. Um, never freaked out or something. It was weird, never freaked out. Did it feels sturdy? It did? Yeah, And it was like, you've built this house insane. Yeah, that's a house he did.
He's not at all like in construction. Um, that's kind of what he does. Okay, yeah he hasn't. Yeah, that's kind of what he does. But it's also those things where he does so many other things, So how do you perfect that? So you kind of got this insane work, ethic, hustle drive, and he I'm sure he doesn't deal with people coming up with excuses very well. He doesn't know. He's like, Okay, change it. That's just my dad's thing.
It's okay, change it, um. I love that. Okay, change it's not working over changing so many planning is not going to help you. The plan is not gonna happen. So many times, I feel like people get stuck in a rut and they think they can only do this one thing, the only one way that something can work
out or go. There are so there's endless routes and it's the same destination, or maybe you're not even supposed to go to this one destination you thought you were going to go to, right, Like, maybe that isn't where you're supposed to be, so you're not happy, so fix it. I feel like you're really good at pivoting. I try. I try to be better at pivoting than I used
to be before. If something would happen my younger years and it was something that was out of my control, I would have a many meltdown, and then over the years I kind of gets over, like how you feel like it's over. And then over the years it's kind of those things where I'm like, okay, change it, like it's not working, we just have to change it, um,
And I'm you know, just like anyone else. I can get in that place where I'm stuck on something and I'm kind of dwelling on it, but within a day or two, it's like, okay, now, like you know the same thing, it's not working, change it, um, you want to try something else? Do it? Like, who's it going
to hurt? When I feel like you, it's like when we first when I first started um getting to know you, we both were like on our baby journey and I struggled to get pregnant for a year and I had like a miscarriage, a chemical pregnancy, and it was so devastating and depressing, and you feel like everyone else can get pregnant and know you, why can't you? And it's so hard, and it's just it starts to really it comes at you like bullets, like it really is so
painful when you're longing for a job. Every doctor's appointment I went to where it would be like something else was bad news, or let's try this. It was almost like defeat. And that was one of the most struggles. I think one of the things I struggled the most with was the infertility journey and just you know, the whole time my husband and I had been married. It was like, Okay, we want babies, and you always think
it's just gonna happen. So it's just gonna happen because people accidentally have babies and and so then it's like, oh, okay, so it's not working. And then you go to the doctor and you think they're going to tell you like, oh no, this is easy, and then it's not easy. And then another year passes and you struggle with you know, seeing people around you getting pregnant and wanting to be joyful for them, but at the same time, it's always in your head, Okay, why isn't this working for me?
And it's a very very low devastating field. Is like you unless you unless you kind of have like experience that you really don't know how how awful. Yeah, and people can say like, oh, just be patient, and that's like one of the worst things. I think. It's oh, it'll happen when it happens, and it's like I get that, but you know, if you've never experienced it, it's one of those things where it's just like you can't even explain like just how deep the devastated Asian feels it.
And it's and you feel almost like you failed, like your body is failing you, like, Okay, I can do anything else that I tried to do, why can't I do this? And very humbling. Yeah it is. It's a nice slice of humble. Um. So that was one of the biggest things I've ever really struggled with. And then coming to organization like Okay, this just might not work. So is that what happened? You came to the realization because you had been to the fertility doctor. Did you
have surgeries done to or like lasers? So we Yeah, so we had switched fertility doctors. Um. Actually the year that I found out I was pregnant, that February, we were switching fertility doctors. And that just so happened to be the month after we went on a vacation with our best friends and my business partner as well, um
to Hawaii, and we had switched her name. Yeah, so she's in Nashville, and we were switching from Bernwick to Nashville, and we had an appointment sketch with her and MoU with her and they did the ultrasound again and they
were like, okay, well, your tubes appear to be completely blocked. Like, we can obviously verify this with another treatment or check, but she's like, I really just think that's where we're at at this point, Like your tubes need to come out there, you want your So she wanted to schedule me for surgery to have my tubes removed because she thought that it would be easier to go in for an IVF cycle if my tubes weren't in the way, because um, the way my engine meteorosis has caused some
things to happen. Um, she saw it easier okay, and then we'd have more of a success rate okay, And so I was like, oh cool, it's just another blow there. So that really means we're not doing it on our own. And at this point it's been like basically four years five years of this. So I'm like, okay, we'll schedule it. And then it was like within a week later, I was finding out that I was actually pregnant. Why is it that always happened? It was always happened. People say
that all the time. It's like, because you guys had even thought about adoption and like you were really into moving on next next? Really, yeah, we were like what are the next options we need? Really wanted kids, didn't you know? Adoption great. I think it's awesome. My mother in law's adopted, so that was always on the table for us too, And it was just kind of like, Okay, where do we move forward? And then to find out
it was pregnant was just kind of insane. I felt like I was like standing still in the middle of like, you know, everything just surrounding me, Like yeah, I was yeah. I was like, I'm sorry, what how does that feel?
You know? I interviewed your interviews and come out after this when I interviewed um Lacy Lacey K Booth, who's like was an an American idol and just precious and durable and so amazing, and we're talking about what it feels like to have dreams come true because she's had so many dreams come true and like having a pregnancy and a healthy pregnancy and a baby that is actually a huge dream for a lot of women and men,
but women especially. What does that feel like when you have been walking this infertility line for so long and you feel hopeless that you will be able to have a carry a baby and have a baby, and then you find out you're regnant, Like, how do you feel. Yeah, So it was it was basically mixed emotions because I think that we were both just so excited, but I was so scared because nothing had ever worked, and I was so like, Okay, how what do I need to
do to make sure that like he gets here? And so I was scared and then but at the same time, you're just so excited, Um that are you scared to be too excited? Yeah, You're almost scared to be too excited because you're like, Okay, well, what if something happens And it's like, you know so many people that something has happened too, and so it's just no one is
exempt from something exactly. So it's like, Okay, I don't really want to build this up for myself because if something does happen, I feel like I'm just going to be completely crushed, like maybe not come back from it crushed like so, but then as time went on, it was one of those things where we just got more and more excited and I was like, oh, we could do a nursery okay, and then you know you actually I went into labor three weeks early, so that was
semi scary, but I was also just so excited to meet him that I was like, I don't care, Let's do this thing. And I just remember being like, Yeah, let's do it. Let's do this thing. Let's get him here and talk to him about the moment when you met which I love his name CoA. Tell me what that means, because you guys like love Hawaii. It's like a big part of who you are. Love Hawaii, and mostly because Hawaii is how we got CoA in the first place, and so I attribute Hawaii every time, just Hawai,
like I just it's like attribute. Sorry that was discussing. It's it's just one of those things where it's like that happy place and just like going there and not being stressed. Isn't that wonderful to have a place that you can think of that you can go to this absolute peace? And yes, it's just enjoyment here joy for us because we went and everything they're so beautiful that it was one of the times in our life where
we actually calmed down and just enjoyed. And then to know that co is kind of product a product of that was like, oh, okay, so CoA mean CoA. Um we saw my husband and I, um, we're actually a beach bar um next to the hotel we were staying in because Tarran was obsessed with lava flows. She's my business partner. Yeah, and lash Out. Oh everyone, this company is called lash Out. That's where you come to get your amazing lashes. Yes, so my business partner, Taran um
It was obsessed with lava flows. So we were always at this little beach bar. I think it's Pina Clode and Strawberry Dacrie, but I could be totally wrong. That sounds like a great tipsy headache. Yes she was. She loved him. So we were drinking those like basically the whole time, and oh god, and that's what we're not a beach trip. You drinking was frozen slush. This is awesome. And the name of the hotel, which I made butcher slightly, was the Hollakoa and it's a military hotel, so it's
like home of the Warrior. It's like brave warrior is what Cola means. And so then when we finally got pregnant and it had taken so long, we were like, okay, that is the name. Because we saw on this cup and I had taken like a picture of it Cola and had put like a little heart around it and posted it to my story, being like, oh, lava flows. But then the more we thought about it, we were like, CoA that if you know, we get lucky enough to actually have a child, that's his or her name, because
it's either it's Cola. And so when we finally found out we were pregnant, my husband and I were both just like, it's Cola. It's great that he just symbolizes that feeling for you. Yes, you know his name symbolized. It's just pure joy. Oh yeah. I feel like one of those people who you know, you always here when people have kids, just how emotional they get all the time. But it's like I'll just be watching TV randomly and in tears because I'm like, oh, you just literally bit
me and it was it's great. It was so it was so cute, like it's great, like everything he does. I feel like Hanna and I my husband were just over the moon about it. And it's one of those things where you don't think it's ever going to happen, so someone and get it. It's just I have to cherish every single second of it. I think that is a huge difference because I felt the same way I just when Sunny came here, I was so thankful and grateful, and I knew how hard it was to have her.
Some people don't know how hard. They don't get pregnant. People think every time you have sex you're going to get pregny, and that it's not She's not accurate. It just does not happen when you were on the other side. I'm not getting pregnant. Every time you have sex. It's like very like we talked about, it's hard, it's hard journey, and then you get pregnant and then you have the baby and you're like it's like you can't actually believe it's happening. Yeah, I can't. It's like we can't believe
it's happening. And like everything he does, I'm like, oh, it's like he usted that five minutes ago. But every time it's almost like I still have to be excited. And it's also like you just want them to know how loved they are and like how hard you fought for them, how wanted they are. Yeah, like I never want him to question that. So it's like one of those things where it's like I have to cheer you on for everything, like, oh, you're pulling my pictures off
the shelf. Great, buddy, you're moving, You're doing it. I know. See. I'm coming to this point though. Where I've been, I've been the same as you've been, like the biggest cheerleader everything that he has a great but now we're actually like entering into school and like you can't just grab every toy from everybody, and it's not really that cute anymore. Actually,
I have to learn how to parent you. Like, um, we have this like um console table with all these pictures on it, and I'm learning that, oh, my kid's mobile now, so the glass picture frame that's also mirrored is probably not something you should play with. But it's like we tell him no, and he's like heartbroken, but I really wanted that. You. Like, guys are really that big of a ill kind of like oh it is glass,
good call, good call. But you know, I have you run into and I don't know what your journey is like having more kids or whatever. But like, so we got we got blessed with one, both of us did, and it was like such an every second has just been so emotionally charged and love. But now I'm at this place where it's like everyone's like, oh, you're gonna have baby too, You're gonna have baby or two, And like Michael and I have tried, we have like actively tried,
not happening still, and I'm like, I don't know. I'm getting to this place where I'm like I was, I'm open to it, but do you feel pressure if I don't know what ye plans are for baby? And you like, like what if you only have an only child? Like have you? That is now like a whole another another conversation. Yeah, so it is. It's weird because I have this like weird guilt line where when I was pregnant, even though I wanted to be pregnant so badly, I hated it.
I was sick, it was not fun, but um, labor was so great and my doctor was so great that I'm like, Okay, I could do this again, because going into it, I was like one time rubbing one kid, and now that co is about to turn one, I'm like, oh, okay, so I could have like ten more of you and be totally chill with it. So I don't know. We're in this weird place where it's like, Okay, now do
you worry about fertility again? Yes, I do. I definitely worry about fertility again, but I feel like at this point we're just so thankful to have Cola that if it happens, cool, right, if it doesn't, okay, we just have CoA and he's an only child. Would you go through like fertility steps again? No? No, no, that for How do you know that you don't want to do that?
Because I feel the same way, Like I'm like, I'm open and I'm gonna try everything I can, but like I know my line that I don't want to go past because I just know I don't emotionally want to go past that. Yeah, my headspace at the time when we were trying in fertility treatments was not good. Um. Outwardly I was okay, but my husband has dealt with many, many meltdowns. Um, God love him. He was very patient and nobody ever talks about the infertility side for them.
Oh yeah, what is it like for your husband because you're an emotional wreck, I'm sure, and it's just him constantly trying to make sure I'm good. But it's like I can't make sure he's good if I'm not good. So it was basically on him like constantly checking in on me. Were you kind of been dealing with the meltdowns where those meultdowns consistent for a while, You're pretty consistent, and just being in such a funk where I just don't want to do anything. I don't want to go anywhere.
I don't care to like conversate like they were rough. They were rough. So was Tanner able to kind of like weather the storm pretty strongly? Yeah? He did. He did not waver. That's amazing. Yeah, he understood what's happening. He understood, super supportive and just constantly was you know, okay, well if that doesn't work, this will work, Like we have options, it's going to be fine. And if we never have a child, it's just us and we're chilling
and we're doing everything and it's fine. Yeah, he's like, and it's fine. It's not the big of a deal, like put around each other for more than half our lives, so like we call it with a lot of vacations. If this doesn't work, it's cool. Um, So he was great. But I don't think I'm willing to put myself back in that place where there's even a chance for like medical treatments to fail for me, because that mental place isn't somewhere I really want to live in. So you'd
rather just stay stay in my little bubble. To be or not to be, it happen exactly. If it works, it works, doesn't cool, and if it doesn't, are cool? The only child I am, uh so my husband's siblings are much older than him, so, um, for a lot of his childhood they would be in college or you know. So I feel like he knows the deal, like he can handle it. Like I've got brothers, so I never really knew the only child thing, but I feel like
he can navigate go through that. But um, that's my only fear for Sonny is like is she gonna regret not having a right? Like because you talk to people who are only children and you're like, okay, so he kind of regret a little bit, but you know, they wish they had that bond. But at the same time, there's a problem problem every family dying exactly, Like even if you have the best of intentions in your heart is soap here and you love your kids or kids,
like every kid problems. Yeah, And I'm like, okay, well, either way, you're gonna do fun. You're gonna do great, but we'll see. Have you kind of settled into that mentality where you're just like wherever life flows is where
you flow because you have so much on your plate. Like, and I want to get back to one of my original questions is like starting these businesses, having your drive, you started lash out and then you keep adding more stuff onto it while you're walking this infertility journey and having a baby and then like expanding your business in the middle of COVID. It's just like you have so much constantly going. So how do you juggle all of that? Um? I think maybe you said this to me once but
mentioned that I thrive in chaos. I think I probably told you that, Yeah, and I think that I do. I think that for myself, it's always what's pushing me to like be a little better than I was before. You need a deadline. I need a deadline, And am I going to be doing it right at the deadline? So you want to probably why is it that you What is it about at the end of the deadline that really gets you going? I feel like that's my best work. I don't know what it is. The best work.
It's like when the pressure is really on me, is when I'm like Okay, I can do this. Um, it's like I need that like a bit of a push sometimes. But I think I a thrive with a lot going on because that's just how it's been for me for so long, and wanting to do more and kind of needing to do more and always just being like Okay, well what can we do next? Like what else can
we build? What can we do? And I think to part of that drive for me is wanting to make sure that when co is going through as big moments, I can be present to like do the work now. And I love that do the work, yeah, do the work now, build your brand now, because eventually I'm going to want to step back a little bit and be more present for CoA and be there for all those
moments that really matter. So you're moreward thinking with your business, like you're thinking about the big long term picture in your goal and like where I want to be, where I want to be, what I want to do? Um, ideally, where do I see myself? Because I don't feel like there is a limit as to how far you can push your business and push yourself and how do you get to that headspace where you feel limitless because you
just like you can always keep adding. I feel like, yeah, I feel like, you know, try it and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but at least you try it so you know, right, So you know with adding on stuff, it's like, Okay, this might not work or it might take off, and it might take a little bit to take off, but at least the money investment. Yeah, I think there's always some worry and the money for stuff. Even when money investment is needed, you'll just kind of
take that risk. I feel that's scary for a lot of people. Yeah, it's definitely scary. But I do feel like I've been several places in my life where you have money, you don't have money, and you always make it work. Um, if I need to work more to like cover a venture that I want to take on, I'll do that. So you don't set out and like worry about, oh my gosh, I'm investing this much money up front and if it doesn't work, then I'll have
to work these hours and do whatever. You're like, Okay, how do you know when your gut feeling is on point? Because I think people this is a good instinct. I always like to ask these kind of questions to entrepreneurs and people like yourself, How do you know when your gut says, yes, we're going for this, this is the right move, even though there's a financial investment. I'm going to have to work on the front end for to have a payout on the back end. But I believe
in this. Like what is your gut feel like When it's a go, I feel like I don't have that hesitation. I'm ready to just go full steam ahead. Whereas if it's something where it's like teetering on the line of okay, this really might not work, I always have some hesitations, some resistance to it, or like I'll drag my feet and getting it done. So I feel like, if I'm doing that, I'm probably not going to add that on because if I'm check that, keep yourself and check with that.
Now I can yeah, And then in the beginning it wasn't as easy. You can kind of yeah, you learn that about learn internal guidance system exactly. You kind of learn as you go, and when something feels resistant and you do it anyways, yeah, and you're like, oops, like that wasn't the best choice. I've done that so many times when I pushed the resistance through the resistance and I get deep into the project and then all of a sudden, my my soul, spirit, guidance system whatever, actually
takes me down to my knees. Like it's like stop, stop, so you actually start to crumble and you're like, okay, so you can catch it all right now? Yeah, I feel like now it's to the point where I tend to catch your really. Um, there are still some things where I'm like, I don't know about this one, but I'm not feeling that heavy resistance. So let's do it.
Let's see how it goes. Um, and this climate that we're living in after a whole year and whatever of uncertainty, it's like, okay, might as well, like because I've seen it can get pretty bad, but might as well give it a try. So at this point, just like adding stuff on that feels like it's going to work or feels like we can make it work, We're going to try it. So if it's a good addition to what you already have the yea, if it's a good addition
to what we already have going, Um, it adds values. Yeah, it adds value. It adds team members that we can bring on and like, you know, have a working space with that, because it's always good to collaborate and get fresh people, fresh ideas. So if it's something that seems to add value, um, even if it's just like with good communication and new teammates, we're going to give it a try. Okay, So speaking of a new teammates, sometimes dealing with people is the hardest thing when dealing with
the business. So how do you run a business and how do you you keep communication flowing to where it's like a good working relationship. Yeah, so when we started our business, um, we were kind of friends, so it worked out. Tared and they were friends, so it kind of worked out. And and also working with our friends. It's kind of crazy. But maybe we are just like young enough and like, yeah, like eager enough to go for without really thinking about it. Yeah, I think so.
And I think like the great thing about Taran and I is like we pretty much just tell each other like what we're feeling, what we think, and we're pretty much always on the same page. So it works. And you're honest, Yeah, We're honest, Like if we were on the same page, I feel like it would be really hard.
But we're pretty much always kind of on the same page, so it works, yes, yes, yes, And we have the same vision and ambition for our business, like we want to grow, we want to do more, and we always want to be the best at what we do. So we both have that mentality. Yeah. So I think that's super helpful. Yeah. I definitely think that's part of why it will naturally fall into roles within the leadership positions, like the job. Both naturally just have things that you gravitate.
Oh my gosh, yes, like paper when it comes to like paperworky things like I thrive in that. Like social media's terrible and like Taran like and she's great at it. Yeah, she does, like all of our socials and she's great at it. Whereas like I would be like, here's an emoji for the caption. That's basically where it would That's how it would be if I had to do our socials. So, which is lash out in Nashville. Yes, follow them? Yeah, so my lashes make appearances on it sometimes. Yeah. Yeah,
we like to share. Yeah, those um socials, I would
not do well there. So you are asked and conquer. Yeah, And that's another key thing to having a great teammate too, being on the same page, having the same vision, not both of you all doing the same things, because I feel like that's when things get Like if you're going to partner up and have a teammate, then you both need to be bringing all you have, like splitting tasks, you know, and trusting that the other one is doing their job and trusting that you're doing yours because if
it would just be such a failure, if you, oh, it would it would literally be emoji captions. So yeah, I think it's just that we both thrive in specific areas of business. It works like we both just have sides that we enjoy more than others. So it's really easy. What happened when you guys were in the just like y'all were kicking ass, like your business was overflowing. It was so busy, like y'all are for sure one of
the top lashes, like what do you call it? Lash place in Nashville, And then COVID hits and then everyone immediately probably stops coming to some extent, and I think you had to shut down for a while because you'll have it's like your hands touching someone's eyes and your mouths or like inches away from each other. Yeah, we had to shut down completely. What do you do when you just had a baby. Well, I was pregnant, Oh
you had did you have code during the pandemic? I had him in October um, so we were already back at work by then, but I had found out I was pregnant basically almost a month to the day before we were forced to shut down. And I remember Taran and I were texting and it came out like, oh, you have to shut down for two weeks. The mayor came out and said you have to close for two week.
Not such a businesses. Yeah, I remember us texting being like, okay, two weeks, Like let's get everyone in today that we can if their appointments were this coming week, and then maybe that'll last them the two weeks and they'll be back on their schedule. And then it just kept going
and going and going. And what happens because you are bringing in a lot of income, and you're you and your husband both like very supportive of each other, and you'll both provide in hospitality, so they weren't open either. So what do you do? Y'all? Go from these very intense both of you all working and is this considered hospitality. It's like probably a version of that. Yeah, you're both people oriented businesses, you know, client oriented businesses, and now
both of you are shut down and you're pregnant. I mean, that's that terrifying. It was very terrifying, but it was also like, oh, okay, so this is why everybody always convinces you that you need to save money. It was one of those things. And it's like how our grandparents went through their great Depression and they're always worried it's going to hit. It always gonna hit again. Yeah. And then a lot of our clients were great and we're like can I buy gift cards? Can I do this?
Like how can I help? Like that kind of thing. So that was really great to just knowing that like, Okay, we can't do our job, but we still have that support from the community. So I think that was really great too. Yeah, and then my husband's company was amazing and immediately got them jobs um that they could do from home doing telehealth. So their company like immediately was like okay, like we can't be in, but we're gonna
get you this so that you have an income. So I mean it kind of just as soon as it didn't work, it worked again. So so what is your takeaway about life and the flow of life? Because you started starting at a young age, like your parents divorcing, you finding your own way, learning to hustle, learning that things always are going to move and shake, you're not used to like it's it's not like you're expecting things
to stay the same all the time. Like you know how to pivot, you know how to make it work, you know how to try things like that's been your whole life. But I don't know if it had it ever hit as hard as like when the pandemic hit, or is it just like you're kind of you're like, Okay, I can navigate this, I can do this. I don't think it has ever hit as hard as that because my mindset was always okay, I'm going to try this. But I can just work a little harder and make
up for me trying that if it doesn't work. So when the pandemic hit and somebody's actually telling you like, oh, you can't work, can't work, like you just can't because you always like, okay, let me find another way to work. Yeah, let me find another way. So I think that was like the biggest wall that I really had to like navigate around, and it was like, okay, so I can't do that, Like what can I do? What did you
come up with? Well, to be honest, I kind of just basked and being pregnant on the couch while my husband was just upstairs working away to telehealth because I'm like, okay, we can make that work. Like we have this much savings and he's working and our insurance is covered, which is was my main concern, and we're all right. I can still get my Chick fil at every day. Oh, Chick fil A, the potatoes. That's how you thrive in pregnancy.
I'm convinced. But um, what did you learn in that downtime that because you've never let yourself probably have that I found on I haven't, and even since then, I really haven't. I mean I went back to work so soon after having cod that I feel like that downtime was just kind of almost like a blessing for me as well as it was like a stressful situation, because I feel like it allowed my body to do what it needed to do to get coahere, and with being so sick, it almost was just like but you don't
have to do anything today. There's nothing for you to do today, so just relax, like and you could give yourself permission. I could give myself permission to do it because somebody was actually telling me I couldn't, which is pretty much what it takes. So, um, just having that downtime where I finally said, okay, well this is what I'm doing. I'm just going to chill. It's a big job. Yeah,
it was good. It was good for me. I think, Um, it was you know, stressful, but also at the same time, I think I just needed something like that where it was like, Okay, relax, do your thing. You don't have to get up and be anywhere today. It's fine. What would you tell women who are in the middle of indometriosis, who are in the middle of their journey and it's not they're getting bad news. They're in the middle of the bad news with waiting for their baby. They're in
the middle of feeling hopeless. Like, what do you want to tell who are dying to become a mother and it's not happening and it feels like it never will. What do you want to tell those women? Because you have been there? Yeah, I've definitely been there, and I don't think there's anything I can say to help make it better, but just to know that how it's intended
to be, it eventually will be. And the sooner you let go of what you think your life has to look like, the more peace you're going to find with yourself. Like you know, no matter how you're a parent, you're still a parent, So you have a lot of options. And I think learning to say, like, Okay, I'm going to pivot this direction and that's still going to make me a parent. I'm still going to be a mom,
still going to be a dad. Um, it just looks a little different than what you thought than what you thought, and I think that and that's the destination point, right, Like, yes, women dream of being pregnant and having a baby, but the end goal for you is just to be the parent and you know, love something more than you love yourself. So I think as long as you're okay with realizing like it doesn't matter how I get there, I'm going
to get there. Um, that's the biggest part. And when you really start to let go and just like find your peace and just your happiness, I think your body starts to function like you know, you start to just let go of all the toxicity of you know, oh,
this isn't gonna work. It's you know, because I feel like you also draw in, you know, based on your mindset, a lot of you know what you're getting, So like, if you can, just as hard as it is to stay positive, do the things that make you happy in a day, you know, only think about the things that make you happy and continue to dream about what you want. Um, I love that I'm telling you to dream about it, continue to dream about and continue to know that will
it will come in some way. It's going to come to you. So don't stop dreaming about it. Don't like your experience self experience the happiness of being like, oh for me, this is going to happen one day. And even if you don't have a pregnancy and have it that way and it's your adoption, if you can let go like you're saying, it will flow into your life. Like the sit level the negativity, Just focus on the positive and that's what you're going to draw to yourself.
You're going to draw in the positive vibes, positive thoughts, and that in itself is going to put you in so much of a better place mentally because the suck, it really sucks. And also like if you give it everything you got and try and keep moving forward and positive and life takes you on a pivot or takes you down a different road, then if you've done everything that you know how to do, then that was the road that was meant for you. And these are the
blessings that are meant for you. And this was like how you were supposed to have your life unfold, and it's different than maybe what someone else's is, Like that was your journey and you're going to be blessed by that journey, right, because how boring would it be if everybody was on the same one all the time? God? And like the most interesting story, yes, especially like I
know this from interviewing people in my podcast. Every person I interview on my podcast has a pivoting story because no one just like wakes up and connects the dots in a straight line and get in from A to Z and there's no turmoil, there's no pain, there's no roadblocks, there's no because how does anything ever feels so great
if you don't experience anything so bad? And the sooner you stopped thinking that things are supposed to just always be how you dreamed them, like know that your dreams will come true, but like it's going to come in its own way, its own route. It's going to get to you in its own way, and you know, just know that it is coming. It just it's going to be in its own, its own way. Yeah. I think it's important because so then one more topic on you talk to you about, because you you hit so many
important topics that women are navigating. You are a working mother and you have been a working mother since Ka has been here. Like you said, you went back to work quickly. Like I remember I was getting my lashes done with you and co it was like three weeks old or something or six weeks. I don't know how it was weeks he was in the weeks week I came back to work, I think it was like eight
days after I had him. Yeah, so I wasn't that And like how you decided how you wanted to work having him, And because I feel like so many mothers, there's so much pressure because it's like you want you are a woman who has a capability, who was strong, who has started businesses, who was capable to run them in. But then all of a sudden you have a baby and it's like, oh my gosh, am I supposed to quit everything? Or like there's all of these giants, just
like potholes that we have to navigate as working women. Yeah, there are so many mothers, yes, and there are so many judgments. Everyone has so many judgments. Um. But I think partially the pandemic kind of forced my hand into coming back to work because it was like, Okay, well I kind of layed around for a couple of months, I can't really do that much longer. And then also knowing that I didn't want to give up my business completely.
You work too hard for ya. I still want to do it, and that's how I'm going to give my son the life that I want him to have. So I think it was just kind of like I always knew that I was going to go back. Um, that was never a question, But it's just recently he's almost a year old now, and I'm just to the point where I'm like, Okay, I need a better balance, I
need to be home more. Um. And you were lucky though, because your husband worked nights and you work days, so Tanner was able to stay with them in the day, you know, right, But then did you ever feel jealous that you aren't getting to have the day? So jealous? So jealous? It was like really weird for me at the beginning because it's like like you get that guilt where it's like he's just gonna And then obviously when they start talking, Dad as like one of the first
things they say. But in my head, I'm like, I feel like that scene from Friends keeps saying data, and I feel like that scene from Friends when Ross is like at least a secondary caregiver, like say something, that's how I felt, and I was just like waiting for the moment finally says Mama. But it's like you feel I felt so bad one that I wasn't with him, but two that I was like, is he going to like love me as much as he loves his dad because his dad gets like the awake time, like the
good time. But I think it's good now and we're finally finding that balance where I'm like, Okay, I'm actually gonna be home more, I'm going to work. And that's something that you've been working on, is because you all came back to full capacity with all your clients and more like back to how you were a pre pandemic and it took you out of building back and now
you're back, which is amazing. But now you're realizing that you want to find a little balance and also I want I think women need to know that too, like you can always adjust, like and listen to your intuition again, like how you are guided by your gut, Like I'm
sure you're gut is telling you I want a different balance. Yeah, yeah, I just Um, we took a trip to Hawaii with him, and it was so nice to have ten uninterrupted days with him that it was like, Okay, when we go home, I can only work these days because I still need days like that where it's just an uninterrupted time with him and my husband because we never get to do anything during the day. Um. So it's one of those things I'm like, Okay, I have to do this because
I have a family and where my priorities lie. It's just a little different now, and I want to see these fun moments with him now that he's like mobile and like starting to talk and crawl and all those things, like I don't want to miss those. So it's also rolling with the punches and being like, Okay, I need to adjust and I can adjust, and sometimes that involves not working as much and maybe taking a little bit of like yeah, you know, monetary cut here and there.
But it's like that's where priorities come in. It's like you and that's where I feel like you have to say so and check with your intuition and your inner guidance system, because your guidance system is telling you what you need. It's like one of those things where it's like, okay, actually, like this is fine. I'm willing to do this to get work. Your life still is going to flow. It's still gonna flow. We're still gonna be doing the same things.
It's just now I'm gonna get to spend a little extra time with him and Tanner and kind of do what we want to do that normal people would do on the weekends when they're off. Because you work, work weekend. Do you work every day? You do? Take Sunday off, We take Sundays off. We're close on Sundays. But Danielle works from like seven till seven sometimes, like you work so hard and all with your hands, I'm like, are you gonna do you have do stretches for your fingers.
I think in the beginning it was weird, but then it's like they're almost just like immune to it. Cramp what's going on because you're like over someone's eyes, moving the tiniest little Yeah, they're worn in now their their old gloves, they're and in. They just know what it is. You have to think about the livelihood of your hands
with everything you do. Yeah, it was one of those weird things where it's like you're doing insurance and you're like, oh, I need to insure my hands because that is my life, everything that I do with my hands. So is that a thing to be they do they insure body parts? I mean I think like Taylor Swift something, yeah, like a million dollars. Yeah, I think other celebrities have, you know, ensure other parts of their bodies. I mean whatever, you whatever,
whatever it is, you have to ensure it. So that is one of those things where it's like, Okay, this is weird. So what's your advice to working mothers who because we have a lot of great advice for people in the thick of it, what is your advice to someone who has a kid or kids and they're working and they need to work to provide for their families. And also you want to be that example of where you you are hard workers as a female and like
you're capable to you know. And I never want to like put off the vibe that like I have it all figured out, so do not. Um, but I think too, it's just trusting your gut. If something feels like you're doing it too much or you're missing too much, you probably are. So it doesn't lie. Yeah, it doesn't lie to you. Um. If you feel like you're missing something, find a way to to pivot and make that happen, even if it's just like a couple of extra hours a week. Um, make the effort into finding that a
couple extra hours. Um, you know, to make sure you're getting that time and kind of balancing everything. And take the time for yourself too. Um. It's important. It's so easy to put yourself on the back burner. Yeah, it's very easy to just be like, oh, I don't have
time for that for myself. Um, but make sure you're taking a little bit of time, even if it's just like once or twice a month, Just take a little time for yourself and make sure that you are taking care of you too, because you can't take care of anyone else if you're not taking care of So it's so true. Yeah, but definitely it's just even if it's finding an extra hour a week to spend that time, And if that's what you're feeling, or if you feel
like you want to work more, then do it. Like, don't feel guilty, don't listen to somebody tell you how your idea of being a parent needs to go. Um, whatever you feel like it's right, probably is. And we all have a different internal guidances. We're doing us a different way to be, so, like we can't sit around a past judgment on everyone because they're doing stuff so
different than me. Like I hear you talk about all the stuff you're going on, and myself, I'm like, damn, that's amazing, But like I don't have it in me to like have all these plates in the air like you do. But like that's your guidances. I'm telling you what works, you know, Yeah, that's just how that moment in time is going for myself, and I'm sure other people have even more than me, exactly, and that works.
And so it's like everyone knows when they need to add a plate, take a plate off, take a step back, take a step forward. Just because on doesn't mean you can't take it off. Just stay in tune with your dance and you yes, you're in charge. You do what you need to do to make yourself feel like you're imbalance. Because the last really big life question, you've obviously been with your husband Tanner for like ever for like since your tin how do you what is your tip too?
People who want to have a long lasting relationship that can withstand the test of time. I think it's important to really not only like love and have your spouse as your spouse, but like be their friend. Like also like you have to be friends and like you have to want to spend that time with them. Whereas like you know, some people that I my clients are talking about, oh I can't wait to get away from my husband today to go do this or go do that, and it's like, maybe just go do it with my husband.
So it's like I want to take him like everywhere with me. I want to do everything with him, and it's like if I get time off, it's like I just want to be with him and do something. So for us, it's really just like, um, he's my best friend and I want to do everything with him all the time. So I think it's kind of just important to know, like how your relationship thrives if it's you
need some time for you cool. Once again, this goes back to like the knowing yourself maybe your room, Whereas like him, I'm like, no, you have to come with me, like you have to do. Some people they need the time part and knowing that. Yeah, like I'm never sick of him, like I always want to spend that extra time with him. So I think that's funny. He's hilarious. Funny goes a long way. Funny goes a really long way. I gotta have some humor. Yeah, yeah, he is hilarious.
And it's like even if he makes me mad, like two seconds later he's doing something to make me laugh so that I'm no longer mad. Oh that's good. Yeah. I wish I had that, but I don't. I don't have that either. I appreciate that, Yeah, I appreciate it. Whereas like I'm like, I'm going to make him mad and I'm just gonna stand there like I didn't do
it and wait for him to crack the joke. Because I'm like, how great that he doesn't like crack the anger back, because he would just be fighting all this because you would hold your anger and then he would hold his, and then you'll be He would probably say my most stubborn or my like worst trays that I'm stubborn, and it's true, but it works. He's so funny. He's so funny, and he's willing to give way more than
I am. He's not a stubborn say look, that's knowing your strengths and weak is in a marriage and leaning into what works for you exactly. He knows I'm stubborn, so and he's not mad at you for it. No, but I think he is a little salty that I gave it to our kid because he seems just as stubborn. So, um, I don't know how that's going to go, but well, maybe co is gonna put it on you. Yeah, so you're gonna get a taste of your own medicine. Be
my karma. It's going to be your car stubborn for all of these years putting it on Tanner and then Tanners like, karma, look, look look at you doing this again. You got it. I'm like, I guess I have to huh, so parent head man, it really will teach you everything you never thought you wanted to know. It really does, man,
it really does. Yeah. But as far as relationships, I think for us, our biggest thing is that, like I just always want to be around him, So whether he wants to be around me or not, we just have that time where it's like, oh, okay, over that you will love your wagon hitched to mind. Now you're good, You're stuck on it. So I think that that's just the biggest thing for us, and the fact that he's patient with every little thing I want to do. Like God,
he's a saint. He really is puts up with a lot, Like you want to go to home good, It's like after we ran fifty other errands, there we are. He just likes to do stuff grognly maybe, but but it's always cracking a joke at the end. He does it like you know, we're good. I love that. I've loved chatting with you. This has been so fun and to do like face to face convo has been really fun. Um. I always wrap up with leave your light, and it's basically, what do you want people to know? Very open ended,
whatever comes to mind. I just think of myself. I would probably say that whatever you want to do, you probably can, so you might as well try it. Yeah. Reach Tony Robbins in the house. Actually I write a book too, Yes, yes, thank you so much for joining me. Everyone. Check out lash Out Nashville. Danielle Bile in the house. Okay, now we're gonna do lashes. Bye.