Cassadee Pope

get excited. Here. She is Carol Love. She's a queen of talking. Got the Carol Love. Hey y'all, it's Caroline Hobby and welcome to my show, Get Real from the Music city capital of the World. In each episode, I get the real story from the most inspiring interesting people in Nashville, Tennessee. I have done everything in the music

entertainment industry. I was in the trio Stealing Angels with two top fifty country charting songs, a finalist and runner up on season twenty two and season twenty four of The Amazing Race. You can currently catch me on cmt S hit show I Love Kelly Pickler. I am an entertainment, news correspondent and host for the TV show Nashville Insider and my podcast Get Real with Caroline Hobby was featured on iTunes New and Noteworthy and charted on iTunes Top

two Podcast. I'm also married to the smoking hot front man Michael Hobby of the number one chart topping band A Thousand Horses. So buckle up and get ready to get real with me, Caroline Hobby. Welcome to my show. He see you. Thanks for coming. Top party. Yeah, there's some Oh my gosh, excited gys. Oh are you guys gonna chat today? They're probably going to join us. They will most likely be sitting with us. Oh, they take themselves all right, all right? Okay's Cuffy and River you've met.

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my first house. I've always lived in apartments or condo and this feels like mine. It's so good. Oh my, you're like a grown up all the way, like an adult. You're totally adult. Take community and it's so great. Thank you. Actually, I had a really cool thing with Wayfair. They helped me out a little bit the ball. They're great. Yeah. And then I mean just all from Wayfare, not everything, not everything, but it's like little bits and pieces and that that mantle is just like an electric thing. Just

flip on your pie, flip it on. I don't need it right now because it's hot, but yeah, everything, I just kind of threw it all together. It's like I don't really think about it too much. Just casual picture President. I mean that's normally. That was all the president. That was for. That was for a charity event with It was like the Bushes charity event for One America Appeal and it's it was for like the hurricane relief in Texas and I got to perform in front of them

and meet them and it was crazy. What was that like? I mean, I have never met a president and I just I got it as soon as I met them. I was like, there's a reason that these people win these elections because they have this aura about them, this like kind of magnetic energy. It is so bizarre. Obama was like the coolest. I was gonna say, what was was it all that? I'm sure all the energy was different, that it was different. Yeah. Bill Clinton was definitely kind

of like flirty charming. What can I char Harry Charming? And and George W. Bush was kind of goofy um. Jimmy Carter was like he's a he was as snapper snapper, whipper snapper, really like nice. What was he like? Oh? Jr Jr. Was like the goofy one? And then h w was he You know, he's kind of struggling, so he's he didn't talk that much because he's sweetheart. And Obama was just a slick, cool, cool guy. Of course, it's just like, oh my god, this is so cool. Dang.

And then here you are a straight blonde hair. Oh yeah, I mean what that's me on the other that's not you. That's my sister. Are you all twits? No? And she tattoos too, Yeah she does? Is that a family thing? No? That's just us Yannes love. So when did all these starts? They're amazing. This one started when I was eighteen, like the day after I turned eighteen, and then the other ones were all kind of like a few years after that, and then this one was in November. So this is

the newest one. Yeah, oh nice. So what was the symbolism of this? This was for my one of my best friends passed about a little over two years ago, and he always wore a fedora, and so it took me a while to like come up with the idea because I just I wanted to honor him in some way. But his name was Gobby. He was an amazing musician and he actually helped record and produced my first like EP after I left my old band Hey Monday Monday, Yes, And so he was like a big part of my

countryjourney coming into country pop. Yeah. Yeah, I just just kind of helped me out in the time where I needed it the most. And then, yeah, so I just wanted to honor him in a way. And he always worked the doors man the little have things. Well comes, okay, what river is taking up the whole couch? But figure it out? Can we join you? Guys. Okay, so you started your career in Florida, Yes, in Hey London, Yes. Talk to me about how that band got going and

how you were you always a musician? Did you know you're gonna do music? I just find your love for it. Yeah. I started singing at four years old, so I've just always known I wanted to sing. And then, um, I picked up a guitar like ten years old old, and I would kind I would mostly just write on guitar, didn't really go out and play it live, so it

was more just for that. And then um yeah, starting in kind of my pre teen years, I got into rock music because as a kid I saying country and then I just started getting into rock music and then I kind of go hand in hand. Yeah, it's coming together more than ever with dying. I know, it's kind

of crazy. I mean you turn on alternative and it's it's just a lot of electronics, so it's definitely not the same, but it is like there's a lot of rock and country music, and when you know, growing up listening to country music, I was more into the kind of pop side like Martina and I and Faith Hill. So that's why I like I tend to go that way anyway. Yeah, well do you have that big voice? Thanks? What the heck was that was the front door? It was?

It was probably the wind or something. I'm scared of. Me was like, what in the world, Um well, I have an alarm system, so that's good. Um yeah. I just started playing in bands and around like thirteen or fifteen, and then I just got into Hey Monday and we got signed really fast. To say that I had a big life, I mean it for not making it all the way, it had a big swell around it. Yeah.

It's really bizarre to to live here and like right with somebody or um go do press or something and they're like, oh, yeah, we used to listen to Hey Monday, and I'm just likely that is. So. I did not think that we were that big, and you know, like you said, didn't have like a hit on the radio or anything. We weren't massive, but there was just this really interesting kind of like core following that stuck with

me through the years. And I know they've they've supported the other guys and their endeavors, so it's kind of crazy. So after did Hey Mindy just kind of naturally end And then at that sometimes that when you're like, well, shoot, I'm gonna just go win the voice. Well I wish that was my thought process. That would have been really confident of me. I left the band. We we started to just kind of hit a ceiling, and so I left the band, went to l A, tried to pursue

a solo thing. I did this really small acoustic tour and I mean there were like five people at every show. It was brutal, um and it went back into van and everything, because hey, Monday, we started in a van and then we went to a bus, which was like the best thing ever, but then you went back to van. So it was like a hit to the pride. But I did and it was fun. But um, I got the opportunity to go audition with a voice, and I was, well, this seems like a really good time to do it

because I'm pretty desperate. I'm back in a vandage so okay, yeah exactly. And I was living with my friend Ali at the time, who's in l A still. She's a songwriter and she was starting to do really well with songwriting. So thankfully she was like, don't worry about rent, just do your thing. Not an angel She's an angel I've ever since I was in preschool, so she was always a big part of my life. But yeah, I went

and auditioned and the rest is history. It's kind of crazy you brought up something that I like to talk about with people a lot, that the transitions of life. I feel like so many people would see someone like you and they'd be like, you are the dream, and you are the dream. But then it's like when you break down the dream to get to where you are, which is to have this the number one song with Chris Young, I mean, like a huge presence on social media.

People love everything you do. You just put out new music and it's like the cover of Spotify and I love that. You know, people would be like, oh my gosh,

Cassidy Pope is the dream. But to get to the dream you had to go through so much stuff that I feel like people don't realize the hard work and the paying on the heart, like you said, going from a bus back to a van to like figure out what's kind of like to And I feel like selling musicians and artists and creatives in general have that where it's just like you know you have the talent and what it takes, but you just don't quite know how to get it out there, so you have to trial

and error do Yeah. Absolutely, I mean especially with the team that surrounds you, because coming off of the Voice, I inherited my team and I'm really lucky. That's the best thing that you ever did. Yeah, I mean I really A part of me sometimes wonders like what it would have been like if I had just stuck with it and trucked through it and done it like kind of old school way. But then another part of me is really happy with where I am, and um what

I probably wouldn't be in this exact place. I know I wouldn't yea um, but yeah, I mean my whole career has been ups and downs. I mean even just last year it was like a really tough year. I had left my label, just became single after like seven and a half years with the same person, and so you literally stripped all things in your life, label, serious, relationship,

publishing management. Did you feel so naked? I did? What what does that feeling feel like to have no team, no boyfriend, no nothing you but all this experience and wisdom behind you. Yeah, I think that's it. I was. I was really trusting myself in those moments because I I my whole career really has been listening to people that are more successful than I am um and kind

of letting them sway my decisions. And while a lot of times, you know, it was great people were steering me in the right direction, a lot of times things didn't work out, and I was like, man, if I only just went with my guts, So I know, just why does it Teesta want to learn that? It sucks to learn that after you've like made all of these not great decisions. But you know, last year, I was just like, what was your breaking point last year? What happen then to make it all just be like explode

to you? Almost like rebirthing. Yeah, well I was. I started to have a really tough time with music after right after Think of You, I released my own song Summer and that was a huge Think of You was like a massive number one with christ Young y'all did a tour. I mean around this time you were like playing Awards. As I saw you on Awards with pit Bull. Yeah, it was crazy, But what's happening? I know? And it felt like, oh my gosh, it's finally it's happening, because

I mean, I'm not saying it wasn't. It didn't feel good before then like wasting all these tears. Right after that was a big hit that was like a top ten. It's a huge hit. Did you come in out of the voice with with your own single? And it makes top ten? It makes top ten, big impact. Way to

start your period. Yeah, I felt good. Then the second single bombs, I mean didn't bomb at Actually at one point I was like one of it was I was the only girl in the top thirty or something, and but they moved on really quickly, and what are you gonna do? And that's something that is unfortunately artists learned

the hard way sometimes that the labels is. You can have you coming off the biggest show in America as the winner, have a huge hit, and then for whatever reason, the label might just decide they're not going to push that second single if it hits a little bit of resistance, the resistance that's just a little bit because they couldn't push it through. Of course, there's so many things at play,

but it's so frustrating. It's frustrating because you know, you see other people who stick with it and they can push a single for almost a year and finally get their number one, and it's like I'm patient, I'm ready, I'm ready to way. I know how country radio works, but you know that that that was like a low point and then um, think of You happened like right

when I didn't have anything going on, and that was amazing. Um, and then I wanted to strike while the iron was hot, so I like, I released Summer and it's like EPA thank you, and then that got pulled really fast, like after five weeks, and I was just how do you deal with that? Frustration? I left? You left? That was? That was it? That was the point. I was like,

this is this isn't working? Like and it were not even though they could be great and you're great, Yeah, maybe it's just not a match exactly because clearly they know what they're they're amazing and were broken a lot of artists, but it just for some reason wasn't working. And we're on still on great terms. But um, it was definitely that moment was when I was like, this isn't good. I wasn't um, I didn't feel like myself.

I started to feel really um like blocked creatively, and um, I realized that had a lot to do with just me working on myself, and you know, it's really it's the personal side is a lot that I probably don't want to get into into, but you know that that was a big thing as well. So getting getting past that and then kind of like, I haven't been alone since I was like eighteen, So what have you discovered

about yourself? So low Cassidy, it has been so I've like finally loved myself, which I didn't I thought I did before, but I really didn't understand what that's really like, What what's the difference? What what is different now as opposed to what you thought would love? I really before I thought, um, it's very it was very surface level

loving myself. It was very like to try to look as confident as you can because then other people will think that you're confident, put out that you love yourself, and then but not really understanding what that is. And then like you know, I read books, I went to therapy, I did all this stuff. I really took the time to just get to know myself and figured whatever it was out. And then I realized I like I cared

too much about what everybody thought and that's so normal. Yeah, And like I looked around too much, and I just was like, well, why isn't this working? Why can't I do this? And when that person? When that person can and and um and now I'm just like, Okay, I'm very different from everybody else, Like everybody has their own unique thing, which is your superpower, yeah, which we if we all just tapped into that, everybody would be much out there, you know, because we are very very different people,

like all of us. So, um, I kind of just I just trusted my gut. And then I'd like I started to walk into rooms and I would be able to go to places by myself and not feel like, oh my god, I would feel like I'm a loser and here by myself, like it just you know, I'd feel confident just even in a room. He's just gonna sit on you, just comfortable as don't you, buddy, He's just sitting on the couch getting in the shot. Okay.

But yeah, I, um, it was a really it was a tough time, but it was also really really essential. I've never gone through that in my adult life, and um, you know, being alone and like being okay with the fact that okay, I'm gonna have some nights where I'm lonely, where I'm used to somebody like being with me and sleeping next to me. But that's kind of just like

the process. And then and then eventually you get to I got to a place where I was like, okay, I'm ready ready to get back out there, and you know, started dating, started going, and like both both like musically and personally. I was like, uh, you know, going to meetings with managers and going on dates with boys. It was just you really free. I was I'm happy and

like excited. Yeah, I was really excited. I was like, Okay, I hadn't met anybody that I was excited about, and I was like, it's still even so like I'm still I'm still walking into these things with my head held high and no expectations that. That was another thing. It's like with everything in my life, I would always envision and picture of things happening a certain way, and then when they didn't happen that way, I was disappointed. And it's just it's very hard to not do that. But

like you just become so much more fulfilled. Guys, there's so many bones. Why do you have to steal his bone because this Rivers has it, so it's obviously the best one. You were an I share. See that was a good sheering. I mean, we can do this, we can pose this, we can do this. Um and then uh and then yeah, I met my manager Daniel, and UM, we hit it off right away. But I you know, being in the state of like I'm just I need

to make sure I'm making our decisions. I just met with a bunch of other managers too, and in the back of my mind knowing Daniel was probably the one, and then went with Daniel and the rest of the team just kind of fell into place after that. And I don't I'm not signed to a label and I'm choosing to do this independently, made their own music the way we want to make it. Yeah, everything from the visuals to the music to potential touring and in the fall is all my what I want, my vision. So

it's it's really feeling good. I love that, and I love that you have gotten to this point in the process, because if we would have interviewed maybe like six months a year earlier, you might have been in a totally different mindset. But the thing that I think it's so cool about what you're doing. And I have lived through this in my own life in different ways. Is just you sat in the mup for a while and you

just like let yourself feel it. And I feel like so many times people, especially people in spotlight, especially people who do feel all that pressure to keep going in the urgency of like in this industry is like you've got to stay out there, but really you don't, because it's so much better to take the time to figure out who you are tow on the front end than to just keep the mess going. It's really hard to figure yourself out a lot of commitment, and I mean

everyone was to deal with that. No, I mean I was. I didn't do any any press, any red carpet, any ward shows. I didn't like. I wasn't on tour last year. I didn't. The only thing that I did career wise was get in the studio with Corey Crowder and get the music done. And that was like therapy at that point because I was going through so much. But I really, you're right, I sat in it, and I like, I feel like if I hadn't, and I would never be in this space. I mean, I feel like I could

handle anything. Like I feel like my skin got thicker is crazy. And also the addiction of buzziness, which I feel like for for me, like I had for the longest time, it's been tality. I'm not busy, if I'm not doing something that I'm not relevant, I'm not worthy or whatever. Really, sometimes there is a time where you do just need to like center and reflect it. I

I think balance is very underrated. I think, you know, there's such a focus on working hard and really you know, hammering in and like you know people that look busy or look more successful, But it's like you have to take time for yourself because if you don't, you're going to burn out and you're not going to be at

your best if you're exhausted. And just like going and doing and saying yes to every single thing, and not to mention that's not exactly best for some people's brands anyway, Like you want to say yes to things that round out your story and makes sense. And I was the yes girl. I know what that's like. And now it's like that doesn't really make sense for what I'm promoting in my message, So I'm gonna not see that and

that's hard to do. But you have to. But once you go through what you've gone through, it actually probably gets easier because now you're like, my sister told me something and I she heard it from a podcast or something. If it's not a hell yes, it's a note. Yeah exactly. I think that's where you are now. If it's not a hell yes and everything wipes up, then it's really not worth it. You got through so much to know what you want to do. Yeah, it's quality over quantity.

And would you feel like happiness is the goal now instead of success? I mean, obviously you still don't have success, but like, how has your mental how has your mind shifted from when you started after you want the voice to now? Um? Oh man, there's so many things. I mean, yeah, I think happiness is now. I know that that's worth

more than anything. Um. And you know, I get happiness from what I do, So just being able to do this for the rest of my life, I'd be happy obviously, you know, finding somebody to share everything with, like a companion, and that that's like a long term goal of course,

you know. And I feel like, in a way I'm starting over because there's been you know, some relationships that I didn't build because I came to town in such a hurry, and I just like, I mean, I had a lot of people in between me and these these people that I needed to have this like personal contact with, and so now I'm kind of building those relationships and I'm telling people my story and they're kind of understanding, like, oh, that's why we never really like met up, or that's

why we never we never came to the offices. They were like, you know, like those kinds of situations. So it's it's just just I'm just like kind of laying down the cement, you know, I'm like building and it's it feels really good and I'm happy. Like before, I was in such a rush and I was just trying to I wanted to get to a certain amount of you know, accomplishments by a certain age. And now I'm

just like, I don't even care about the timeline. I'm just doing what I want and it feels it feels right. What a gift to have that mentality, Thank God, truly, I'm sorry you had to go through what you went through, but did not even be thirty and to have that mentality, what a lifesaver for the rest of your life. I know. But it's also I mean if people looked around, like there's a lot of women in country music and men and just in music in general that don't have their

moment until their thirties. Like not to always talk about Chris Stapleton, but I mean look at him. He would have given up ten times before, Like he had so many moments that failed for him that should have succeeded. Yeah, And I mean I probably wouldn't have been able to handle big, huge success at you know, twenty one or whatever the same way I would handle it, you know,

hopefully within the next year or two. So like I'm I'm I'm fine like with it taking this long because I feel like I I know how to navigate things and just mentally like I couldn't probably handle it's so much to understand. Oh, there's so much thank you were in the spotlight, but not like massively where everyone's monitoring your every micro movie. Yeah, I don't. I don't really want that, like I want to might not sound like the dream. No, No, my dream is too What is

your dream? Oh my gosh, what's your long term dream? Long term? This has been a vision of mine since I was four years old. You're sitting the rocket chair at this what does it look like? Um, I would love to be able to tour stadiums someday, UM, have songs that stand the test of time. Um, eventually host and be the musical guest on SNL. That's like happening. That's gonna happen sooner than later. Well, and I'm like a goofball. I'm I'm like, so you're kind of love

acting out all I would love. Yeah, I mean, I grew up watching Jim Carrey and like idolizing him. So I'm like, I feel like I'm not afraid to get ugly funny like I would. I would. I would really dig in and go for it, go for fear, which is awesome because you're so beautiful and talent. Did peone was loving to see that side and I just don't care, like it would be so fun but um, and then yeah,

and like having a family. I would love a family someday that I'm um, you know that I was a good mom and and uh, yeah, I guess if I'm in a rocking chair, it's eighty whatever, grandchildren, you know. I'm just like, there's a lot of life that I

have left to live and I'm excited about it. What good tell me about the country music industry with women, because you're part of this movement, especially the women who are really starting to like make a name for themselves who aren't like the carry underwoods yet, but like there's this whole surge of y'all that are hanging out, sticking together, supporting each other. They all came to your album released part of you, like I don't know if five or

two badass chicks that they're singing with you. Yeah, talk to me about this community or our building. Is this insane? Yeah, it feels it feels really organic. I mean we're we We started off, you know, all just running into each other at at award shows and red carpet events, and that is the case ills sometimes because everybody's so busy, but we really My my main thing is like, yes,

the girls nights where we all get together. There are few and far between because of scheduling, but those are fun. But my honestly, my approach with everybody is like I love one on ones or maybe twos or threes, but like I'm focusing on our actual friendships because I know, like when you're in a group, a lot of people don't want to talk about themselves and make it all

about them. But when you're just hanging out one on one, you're exchanging stories and experiences and it's it's it's I don't know, I feel like there's more of a personal connection and you you get like a real friendship out of it. So, you know, fast forward to from last year, like are starting in last year all the hard times I went through, I leaned on my friends, but more

than I've ever done before. And they realized they wanted that, like they wanted me to confide in them because we as a someone like yourself who's so driven, do you feel like you have to be strong all the time and it can't be vulnerable. Yeah, I used to struggle with that. I don't anymore, thankfully, but I don't. I Yeah, I used to be like, they don't want to hear me complain about this, or I don't want to make

I don't want to make people uncomfortable. But it's like if people get uncomfortable because you're telling them you're about your feelings, that's probably something wrong, that's probably something they're going through. Um So so yeah, I just fat you know, from there and fast forward to the like the showcase

I did that was for your new EP release. Yeah, yeah, that was for that was just honestly for like the music that I've been working on that no one's really heard yet, and I was just giving them, like everybody kind of a sneak preview. Um. But I mean I have very specific friendships with each and every one of them, separate from everybody else. Like it's you know again, like having them all over and doing a girl's night would

be great, but that's that's really tough. So I just try and make time for everybody and we just have our own moments, which I love. I love that. What advice did you tell your younger self? Oh my gosh, Um, don't be afraid of being alone. Um, even before my last relationship, I had boyfriends back to back since I was like like I was, I was always just like you know, boy crazy and wanting something. Yeah, just wanting

somebody to share life with, even before I have anything happening. Um. So yeah, I think I think I just missed out on like a massive and then I just did it, So I'm happy, But like I missed out on this crazy time you're supposed to have when you're like when you're adult, like your your younger years and you're figuring yourself out and you're you're by yourself, so then you can get into a relationship that um, and you're in your best version of yourself, so you can like give

everything you can to a relationship. And I was I didn't have that capacity. So yeah, I mean, I guess that's on a personal level, but that's probably the advice I would give. What does love me to you God, and not just romantic love, just love? Yeah, I just love, um, I guess honestly, probably acceptance totally, Yeah, because like the only way to love somebody else or love yourself or

love a dog or whatever. It's like they're they're gonna like, you know, probably fart sometimes and and like p on the couch or whatever it is. But like I still love them because like they I take them as they are. And same thing with a career, you know, it's ups and downs and sometimes I don't understand it, like how the process works or how things happen. But I'm not gonna not I'm not gonna do anything else. So I'm

obviously I abviously know what I do. And the same thing with like in a relationship, you know, there's there's little things here and there that maybe aren't perfect at totally am into that. So after all the high, like you've had the highest of high, winning the voice, performing with pit Bull, number one songs, huge store to obviously regrouping, finding yourself, what would you say is the point of life? Because because a lot of people would be like, oh,

to get money and have famed success. Okay, well you had all that, so it's like that's a great part of it. But what is the point? I think? I mean honestly, and I don't think life makes any sense if you're not happy. I mean, what is happiness? How do you get happy? I think? I mean again, it starts within yourself. I mean you have to love and be happy with yourself in order to apply that to

any other aspect of your life. Like you really because when you when it starts here and you put out the energy of like, I'm I'm confident, I'm happy, I'm content with myself, I'm excited about life. Just things start happening. I mean I I didn't really go seeking a lot of things that have come to me over the past year because I would just I just have this new feeling of excitement for life and felt good about myself that I like, people are drawn to that energy. It's

really interesting. So because it's not desperate, you don't need anything. No, it's like, if this happens, cool, If not, I'm good, Like I can figure things out with myself. I'm self sufficient enough to do that. So yeah, I mean finding happiness. Happiness is different for everybody, you know, it's all I think relative, But um, that's that's the way I see it. So you you know a lot of celebrities. You obviously are on team Blake. Blake Shelton was like your mentor.

You've toured with Christian I had a single pit Well, obviously you know all that you are in the celebrity world. Who have you been most star struck by? Because there anyone that's made you start struck Shania Twain Shania Twayne I met and I met her. I was so surprised when I met her because it was backstage at a twenty one pilot show and I was like, not a spect Wayne. I know, I know she was a fan of joining my Pilot's so cool, um, and I I was just I couldn't believe it. I heard her voice like,

so you just know what it is. It's just like that, yeah, that tone. I was like, I met her and I did not ask for a picture, and she was walking away and my sister's kissed picture, like nope, and she turned around she's like, do you want a picture? I was like yes. So I was so happy that she just offered. And um, I mean, yeah, that's something I could improve on, is asking people for pictures. It's hardly that you know what's wide being on the other end

of it. So you're like, I don't want to bother something. Yeah, but I also like, um, this is so off topic. But I don't know. I don't know if you feel this way, but like I find it really hard after having a really um uh well it's funny because we'll probably take a pict track of this, but this is more of altering. Yeah, but like having a really authentic, genuine conversation with somebody backstage somewhere or whatever and they're like, okay, let's take a selfie. I know what you mean. It's

kind of cheap, is it? Yeah? Is the But I know exactly because you're like you have this conversation for the conversations like why are docular for the world. I know, but I do sometimes envy that and like I wish I got a picture but but anyway, Yeah, she totally offered, and I was like, yeah, okay, so obviously I talk to you forever. What's one thing about you that nobody knows? What's a quirk? Oh? You know what? I prefer to

sleep in, like pants, like really pa jama pants. There's something about like slide up and get on your I mean, yeah, I do, but I think like I don't like I sleep on my side a lot, and I don't like my knees because like you know, like the bone like bony knees on top of each other's not very comfy. And then like these dogs sleep with me so like sometimes they like go under the covers and lay on my leg and I just like the bare leg with the dog all on. It's just so hot. So yeah,

I like to sleep in pajama pants. That's like the big reveal, a big reveals, full pajama pant I love it, but I'm sure I'll think of something after you least know the damn it. I should have said that, Okay, we're gonna wrap up with leave your lights, so leave some inspiration. Obviously you're pure inspiration in general. Your story

is inspiring. But everything that you've been through, all that you've learned, what do you want to tell people who are looking up to you, who wish they could be like you, What do you want to tell them just about the journey of just some inspiration? I think honestly going into things with less of an expectation is really helpful. Um, if I if somebody had told me I got here from a singing competition show and one of my most what my most successful song was a duet with Chris Young,

I'd be like, that isn't that's not true? Like that that's not going to be me. You have fourteen You would never know that, No, I know. So I think that people just need to kind of open their mind ends to their what their journey looks like. Um, we all have a very specific route we think we're gonna take, but like, just be open to every avenue because things never happen the way you think they're gonna happen. Ever, no, Ever, I totally totally agree with that, and just let it,

let it lead you, let your journey lead you. Yeah, and work really hard along the way. It's not like things are gonna get handed to you. But um, don't, don't, you know, push something away because it's not the way you saw things, Like how I didn't see this happening. I don't want to take this route. If it if it feels a little uncomfortable, that's probably a good thing. Yeah, Cassie Pope, You're amazing. I love you. I'm so happy that you're having your own Carol. She's a queen of ting.

I know you love that interview. Cassidy is amazing. Love her so much. I'm so excited follow along with her with her new music, just her new perspective and what is coming for her. So you guys, stick with Cassidy see what she's up to because it's gonna be major. And we'll see you next week. M