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1. Difference between Akkusativ and Dativ

May 06, 202412 minSeason 1Ep. 1
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Summary

Hosts Noah and Ahmad delve into the nuances of German's Akkusativ and Dativ cases, explaining them through direct and indirect object concepts with examples and comparisons to other languages. They discuss various learning strategies, from memorizing dative verbs and using dictionaries to understanding the underlying logic of verb effects. The episode concludes by highlighting the importance of finding a personalized learning approach and offers practical advice for students.

Episode description

💭 Ahmad sees a logical approach that explains when to use which case

The accusative case is used for the direct object, which is directly affected by the action of the verb. The dative case is used for the indirect object, which is indirectly affected by the action, typically representing the recipient or beneficiary of the action.

💭 Noah advises his students to learn the Dativ verbs by heart since there aren't many.

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Intro / Opening

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Understanding Akkusativ and Dativ Basics

Hello and welcome to our podcast. In this podcast we're going to talk about the German language and help you with your language learning journey. And we hope that we will make it easier for you. Ahmad and I are going to explain the differences between accusative and dative today. Why are there those two cases, accusative and dative? Can we put a straightforward definition for them?

Ahmad, what do you think? I think these are very important in the German language because we are gonna get a very different meaning of the sentence if we don't have them. For example, if I tell you, send me... an email. Here the email is gonna be as the accusative object and I, the person, is gonna be the dative object. How would you say this in German? That's a good question. Also sende oder schicke mir eine E-Mail. Oder kannst du mir eine E-Mail schicken?

here as you see we have the dative object which is the person and it's referring to the fact that the person here is the indirect object in other words you are not affecting this person directly when you are sending an email the thing that you are directly affecting in fact is the email you're writing this email and you are sending it to me so i am getting benefit of that as the person in this sentence so this is exactly the dative it's going to be the person

who is getting benefits or it's going to be negative for him. It goes both ways. For example, the verb to steal. So this thing that I'm stealing from you. is the direct object that I am really stealing. But you are going to be affected by that by losing something. It's the same concept in French, which we call COI, Complement d'Object Indirect.

It's when you say, je te vole quelque chose, I'm going to steal something from you. You also place the object before the verb. The same concept actually exists in French or a very similar concept for the French speakers. If the verb is... followed by a de or par then it's a verb that requires an objet indirect and in this case in German the equivalent would be The same concept is also in the Arabic language. Because when we say, I give you something...

So in Arabic we say So here is the dative thing for our Arab listeners. It could be maybe helpful for them also to understand this concept. Because once you understand it, I think it will make it much easier than... memorizing the verbs it's very tough actually i think it's just to say hey memorize all these thousands of verbs and yeah that's really hard i think it's very interesting because i've been teaching german for

three years now and when my students ask me how am I gonna differentiate between accusative and dative and I say I'm sorry but you have to learn them by heart. Actually it could work also but not for everybody. so this concept could make it easier for students just to understand the difference between dative and accusative at the end of the day it's just dative is going to be the person or even the thing who is going to be

taking the benefit or being negatively affected by the verb and we call this the indirect option. Okay, makes sense I think until now.

German Case Rules and Teaching Methods

My technique is that, as I told you, I tell my students to learn the dative verbs by heart because in general, we say that in German, 90% of the verbs are followed by accusative. But when it comes to prepositions, we have prepositions. Wechselpräpositionen, I think you mean. Yeah, this is also a very interesting topic actually.

We say in German. It's something else. Completely different. We can do this in another episode if you prefer. We could do it actually. But now briefly we can say it depends on the direction and the location. When we are describing the location, wo bist du? Ich bin jetzt in der Schweiz. I'm in Switzerland. But once you say, I am heading to somewhere, I'm going somewhere.

it's going to be accusative even though you are using the same preposition like Ich fahre in die Schweiz. So if the verb is dynamic then it's accusative. If it's static it's dative. That's really good explanation. I've just had a thought. German teachers, sometimes, they try to explain accusative and dative by asking questions. So they say, for example,

Whom did I give the pencil to? But that they're actually not aware that, for learners, the differentiation between veem and veen is not clear at the moment. Can't... actually ask the right question in order to know if the case is going to be accusative or dative does it make sense for what i'm saying now i totally agree actually because it's really interesting and helpful for students to understand it but

i think you have just to start with something else that will lead to this information what i do is i say that imagine there is converting to there Both are ending with ER. And when we are going to put DER in a situation where it is dative, it's going to be DEM. ER going to be EM. Exactly the same thing happens to WER. It will be vim. So once they understand that, I think they will automatically get to the point that they will say, okay, then when it's there and it converts to din.

Practical Tools and Learning Approaches

It must be that wer converts to wen. Let's pretend I'm doing self-study. I'm learning German. As a diligent student would do every day, he wakes up, he learns German. He opens his texts. And he starts reading. He comes upon a verb. And he doesn't know if this verb requires dative or requisitive. Because I get these questions asked a lot. I say...

Go ahead, open your dictionary, whether it's online or a physical one. The dictionary is going to tell you if the verb requires dative or accusative, or if it sometimes requires both. When it requires dat, accusative, let's start with accusative. You will see... an abbreviation that goes like J-D-N, which stands for Jemanden. If the verb requires dative, you're going to see the abbreviation J-D-M, which means Jemanden.

This is going to tell you what the case this verb needs. So for example, if we look up the verb folgen to follow, you're going to see jemandem folgen. So you will know how to use this verb properly. You will say, ich folge dir, ich folge ihm, ich folge ihr, etc. If you see, jemanden, for example, sehen, jemanden sehen, you will... Now, okay, I see dich, I see ihn, I see sie, etc. So this will tell you which object.

which kind of objects you're going to need, either an accusative object or a dative object. Do you have anything to add on this? What I would like to say about it is that the dictionary is the source number one for you.

no matter what the teacher says no matter what everyone else says just go ahead and check it yourself in the dictionary and be sure that once you check it yourself and you read it that's plus for you because you're gonna see it yourself you will see it with your your own eyes which will make it stuck more let's say in your memory yeah but you said actually everything you started the last point with the question that we

that all of us the German teacher gets a lot let's say I'm in an exam and I want to use a specific verb but I'm not pretty sure whether it's stative or accusative here I would just like to add a point just think about it if the verb is describing something that's gonna be affected directly by the verb like buying something eating something here it's an accusative no doubt once

you get a third part or a part in the verb that will be indirectly affected like helping if i help you noah if you need help with something helping i'm actually doing something for you like i'm helping you with the homework but i'm not affecting no one i'm adding value to him yeah with or i'm giving i'm giving him something that way you could uh maybe differentiate in

some cases where you don't have access to dictionary or to the internet. Interesting. I think that at this point some students are going to benefit from this a lot.

because the sound is going to sound very logical. To others, they would prefer, oh, they would think, this is too theoretic for me. I prefer to learn the verbs by heart, although your method is absolutely great because it... if it makes sense for students it will save them a lot of time and nerves one thing i would like to add noah i think you are studying

in the university and i am pretty sure you learned that there's different kind of learners some people learn better by heart some people like to have a specific logic in the thing that they are learning to understand it we're discussing different ways of learning but at the end of the day everyone will have his own method to understand

This is important to say because if you feel devastated because the method is not working out for you, it's not bad at all. There must be other methods that have to work out for you, but you have to discover them. So you have to embark on the journey. and see what works for you and what does not. In this format, we can exchange our ideas.

Teacher Perspectives and Episode Wrap-up

um you're a german teacher i'm a german teacher i think we both learned german as a second language when i learned it i was i was in the transition between acquiring a language language and learning a language so i kind of know the rules but also i don't know them this is why i told you at the beginning to to take on the part where you explain uh the direct object and the indirect because i never understood this i had this in my friend's studies and i said can can i just land in my heart

It doesn't make any sense. I think everyone that speaks a language as a mother tongue will maybe face some problems to explain some grammar in it.

while other people who learned it, who struggled learning that language, it will be easier for them maybe to explain a specific concept. I don't know if you agree. I was in a situation once when I was... establishing my company and i was employing some teachers to teach german and there's a very good friend of mine um whom i told you're going to take on a grammar course she tells me

Okay, no problem. And I say I have to clear things up front. Can you please explain like quickly? What the accusative case is about and she goes like I have no idea I said, how are you going to take on the grammar course? It's just not, no. Interesting. Good. Wonderful. So we're going to stop here. I hope this was very helpful for you. Thank you, Ahmad, very much for explanations. You're welcome.

That's my pleasure. Thank you. And we hope to come up with wonderful ideas like today's topic. I think a lot of students face difficulties when it comes to acquisitive and dative. We will be explaining similar topics, I guess, in the next episodes. And if... If you have any suggestions and topics you would like to learn more about, please don't hesitate to contact us. This will also give us more ideas in order to help you further. Thank you very much for listening and have a good weekend.

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