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GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Care Podcast

Alex Smith, Eric Widerawww.geripal.org
A geriatrics and palliative medicine podcast for every health care professional. Two UCSF doctors, Eric Widera and Alex Smith, invite the brightest minds in geriatrics, hospice, and palliative care to talk about the topics that you care most about, ranging from recently published research in the field to controversies that keep us up at night. You'll laugh, learn, and maybe sing along. CME and MOC credit available (AMA PRA Category 1 credits) at www.geripal.org
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Episodes

COVID Updates: A Podcast with Peter Chin-Hong and Lona Mody

In March 2020, we launched our first podcast on COVID-19. Over the past four years, we’ve seen many changes—some positive, some negative. While many of us are eager to move past COVID (myself included), it’s clear that COVID is here to stay. This week, we sit down with infectious disease experts Peter Chin-Hong and Lona Mody to discuss living with COVID-19. Our conversation covers: The current state of COVID Evidence for COVID boosters, who should get them, and preferences between Novavax and mR...

Oct 31, 202444 minEp. 332

Medical Cannabis Revisited: A Podcast with David Casarett and Eloise Theisen

Cannabis is complicated. It can mean many things, including a specific type of plant, the chemicals in the plant, synthetic analogs, or products that have these components. The doses of the most widely discussed pharmacologically active ingredients, THC and CBD, vary by product, and the onset and bioavailability vary by how it is delivered. If you believe the evidence for efficacy to manage symptoms like neuropathic pain, how do you even start to think about recommending these products to patien...

Oct 24, 202452 minEp. 331

Guidelines or Goals in Heart Failure: Parag Goyal, Nicole Superville, and Matthew Shuster

When treating heart failure, how do we distinguish between the expanding list of medications recommended for “Guideline Directed Medical Therapy” (GDMT) and what might be considered runaway polypharmacy? In this week’s podcast, we’ll tackle this crucial question, thanks to a fantastic suggestion from GeriPal listener Matthew Shuster, who will join us as a guest host. We’ve also invited two amazing cardiologists, Parag Goyal and Nicole Superville, to join us about GDMT in heart failure with reduc...

Oct 17, 202448 minEp. 330

Intentionally Interprofessional Care: DorAnne Donesky, Michelle Milic, Naomi Saks, & Cara Wallace

In fellowship, one of the leaders at MGH used to quote Balfour Mount as saying, “You say you’ve worked on teams? Show me your scars.” Scars, really? Yes. I’ve been there. You probably have too. On the one hand, I don’t think interprofessional teamwork needs to be scarring. On the other hand, though it goes against my middle-child “can’t we all get along” nature, disagreement is a key aspect of high functioning teams. The key is to foster an environment of curiosity and humility that welcomes and...

Oct 10, 202448 minEp. 329

Images of the Dying: A Podcast with Wendy MacNaughton, Lingsheng Li, and Frank Ostaseski

Can death be portrayed as beautiful? In this episode, we share the joy of talking with Wendy MacNaughton (artist, author, graphic journalist) and Frank Ostaseski (Buddhist teacher, author, founder of the Metta Institute and Zen Hospice Project) about using drawings and images as tools for creating human connections and processing death and dying. You may know Wendy as the talented artist behind Meanwhile in San Francisco or Salt Fat Acid Heat . Our focus today, however, was on her most recently ...

Oct 03, 202450 minEp. 328

Stepped Palliative Care: A Podcast with Jennifer Temel, Chris Jones, and Pallavi Kumar

If palliative care was a drug, one question we would want to know before prescribing it is what dose we should give. Give too little - it may not work. Give too much, it may cause harm (even if the higher dose had no significant side effects, it would require patients to take a lot of unnecessary additional pills as well as increase the cost.) So, what is the effective dose of palliative care? On today’s podcast, we talk about finding an evidence-based answer to this dosing question with three l...

Sep 19, 202450 minEp. 327

Well-being and Resilience: a Podcast with Jane Thomas, Naomi Saks, Ishwaria Subbiah

Well-being and resilience are so hot right now. We have an endless supply of CME courses on decreasing burnout through self-care strategies. Well-being committees are popping up at every level of an organization. And C-suites now have chief wellness officers sitting at the table. I must admit, though, sometimes it just feels off… inauthentic, as if it's not a genuine desire to improve our lives as health care providers, but rather a metric to check off or a desire to improve productivity and bil...

Sep 12, 202451 minEp. 326

Allowing Patients to Die: Louise Aronson and Bill Andereck

In today’s podcast we set the stage with the story of Dax Cowart, who in 1973 was a 25 year old man horribly burned in a freak accident. Two thirds of his body was burned, most of his fingers were amputated, and he lost vision in both eyes. During his 14 month recovery Dax repeatedly demanded that he be allowed to die. The requests were ignored. After, he said he was both glad to be alive, and that the doctors should have respected his wish to be allowed to die. But that was 1973, you might say....

Sep 05, 202449 minEp. 325

Stump the VitalTalk Communication Experts: A Podcast with Gordon Wood, Holly Yang, Elise Carey

Serious illness communication is hard. We must often deliver complex medical information that carries heavy emotional weight in pressured settings to individuals with varying cultural backgrounds, values, and beliefs. That’s a hard enough task, given that most of us have never had any communication skills training. It feels nearly impossible if you add another degree of difficulty, whether it be a crying interpreter or a grandchild from another state who shows up at the end of a family meeting y...

Aug 29, 202448 minEp. 324

What is Death? Winston Chiong and Sean Aas

We’ve talked about Brain Death before with Robert (Bob) Troug and guest-host Liz Dzeng, and in many ways today’s podcast is a follow up to that episode (apologies Bob for mispronouncing your last name on today’s podcast!). Why does this issue keep coming up? Why is it unresolved? Today we put these questions to Winston Chiong, a neurologist and bioethicist, and Sean Aas, a philosopher and bioethicist. We talk about many reasons and ways forward on this podcast, including: The ways in which advan...

Aug 22, 202448 minEp. 323

Anti-Asian Hate: Russell Jeung, Lingsheng Li, & Jessica Eng

Anti-Asian hate incidents rose dramatically during COVID, likely fueled by prominent statements about the “Chinese virus.” VIewed through the wider lens of history, this was just the latest in a long experience of Anti-Asian hate, including the murder of Vincent Chin, the Chinese Exclusion Act, and the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. For those who think that anti-Asian hate has receded as the COVID has “ended,” just two days prior to recording this episode a Filipino woman was push...

Aug 15, 202446 min

Between Two Urns: Undertaker Thomas Lynch

(We couldn’t resist when Miguel Paniagua proposed this podcast idea and title. And no, you’ll be relieved to hear Eric and I did not imitate the interview style of Zach Galifiniakis ). We’ve talked a good deal on this podcast about what happens before death, today we talk about what happens after. Our guest today is Thomas Lynch , a poet and undertaker who practiced for years in a small town in Michigan. I first met Thomas when he visited UC Berkeley in the late 90’s after publishing his book, “...

Aug 08, 202448 minEp. 321

Optimizing Nutrition in Aging: A Podcast with Anna Pleet, Elizabeth Eckstrom, and Emily Johnston

What is a healthy diet and how much does it really matter that we try to eat one as we age? That’s the topic of this week's podcast with three amazing guests: Anna Pleet, Elizabeth Eckstrom, and Emily Johnston. Emily Johnston is a registered dietitian, nutrition researcher, and Assistant professor at NYU. Anna Pleet is an internal medicine resident at Allegheny Health Network who has a collection of amazing YouTube videos on aging and the Mediterranean diet . Elizabeth Eckstrom is a geriatrician...

Aug 01, 202452 minEp. 320

Prognosis Superspecial: A Podcast with Kara Bischoff, James Deardorff, and Elizabeth Lilley

We are dusting off our crystal balls today with three amazing guests who have all recently published an article on prognosis over the last couple months: Kara Bischoff, James Deardorff, and Elizabeth Lilley. To start us off we talk with Kara Bischoff about the article she just published in JAMA Network on a re-validation of the Palliative Performance Scale (PPS) in a modern day palliative care setting . Why do this? The PPS is one of the most widely used prognostic tools for seriously ill patien...

Jul 25, 202449 minEp. 319

Screening for Dementia: A Podcast with Anna Chodos, Joseph Gaugler and Soo Borson

The US Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) concluded back in 2000 that there is insufficient evidence to recommend for or against routine screening for dementia in older adults. Are there, though, populations that it may be helpful in, or should that change with the advent of the new amyloid antibodies? Should it? If so, how do we screen and who do we screen? On this week’s podcast we talk with three experts in the field about screening for dementia. Anna Chodos is a geriatrician at UCSF and...

Jul 19, 202452 minEp. 318

Ageism and Elections: Louise Aronson and Ken Covinsky

Emergency podcast! We’ve been asked by many people, mostly junior/mid career faculty, to quickly record a podcast on ageism and the elections. People are feeling conflicted. On the one hand, they have concerns about cognitive fitness of candidates for office. On the other hand, they worry about ageism. There’s something happening here, and what it is ain’t exactly clear. We need clear eyed thinking about this issue. In today’s podcast, Louise Aronson, author of Elderhood , validates that this co...

Jul 16, 202448 minEp. 317

Palliative Care in Liver Disease: A Podcast with Kirsten Engel, Sarah Gillespie-Heyman, Brittany Waterman, & Amy Johnson

In May we did a podcast on KidneyPal (the integration of palliative care in renal disease) , which made us think, hmmm… one organ right next door is the liver. Maybe we should do a podcast on LiverPal? (or should we call it HepatoPal?) On today’s podcast, we do that by inviting four palliative care leaders who are integrating palliative care into the care of those with liver disease: Kirsten Engel, Sarah Gillespie-Heyman, Brittany Waterman, and Amy Johnson. It’s a jampacked 50 minutes, filled wi...

Jul 11, 202451 minEp. 316

Anxiety in Late Life and Serious Illness: A Podcast with Alex Gamble and Brianna Williamson

“Anxiety is a lot like a toddler. It never stops talking, tells you you’re wrong about everything, and wakes you up at 3 a.m.” I’m not sure who wrote this quote, but it feels right to me. We’ve all had anxiety, and probably all recognize that anxiety can be a force of action or growth but can also spiral to quickly take over our lives and our sleep. How, though, do we navigate anxiety and help our patients who may end up in the anxiety spiral that becomes so hard to get out of? On today’s podcas...

Jun 27, 202456 minEp. 315

Urinary Incontinence Revisited: George Kuchel & Alison Huang

I have to start with the song. On our last podcast about urinary incontinence the song request was, “Let it go.” This time around several suggestions were raised. Eric suggested, “Even Flow,” by Pearl Jam. Someone else suggested, “Under Pressure,” but we’ve done it already. We settled on, “Oops…I did it again,” by Britney Spears. In some ways the song title captures part of the issue with urinary incontinence. If only we lived in a world in which much of urinary incontinence was viewed as a natu...

Jun 20, 202445 minEp. 314

Cachexia and Anorexia in Serious Illness: A Podcast with Eduardo Bruera

I always find cachexia in serious illness puzzling. I feel like I recognize it when I see it, but I struggle to give a clear definition or provide effective ways to address it. In today's podcast, we had the opportunity to learn from a renowned expert in palliative care, Eduardo Bruera, about cachexia and anorexia in serious illness. Eduardo established one of the first palliative care programs in 1984, created the Edmonton Symptom Assessment Scale (ESAS), and significantly contributed to the ev...

Jun 13, 202449 minEp. 313

Sexual Function in Serious Illness: Areej El-Jawahri, Sharon Bober, and Don Dizon

As Eric notes at the end of today’s podcast, we talk about many difficult issues with our patients. How long they might have to live. Their declining cognitive abilities. What makes their lives meaningful, brings them joy, a sense of purpose. But one issue we’re not as good at discussing with our patients is sexual health. On today’s podcast Areej El-Jawahri, oncologist specializing in blood cancers at MGH, says that sexual health is one of the top if not the top issue among cancer survivors. Cl...

Jun 06, 202452 minEp. 312

Palliative Care for Kidney Failure: Sam Gelfand, Kate Sciacca, and Josh Lakin

The landscape of options for treating people with kidney failure is shifting. It used to be that the “only” robust option in the US was dialysis. You can listen to our prior podcast with Keren Ladin talking about patients who viewed dialysis as their only option, and structural issues that led to this point (including this takedown of for profit dialysis companies by John Oliver). One of the problems was a lack of an alternative robust option to offer patients. As one of our guests says, you hav...

May 30, 202446 minEp. 311

How Pharma Invents Diseases: A Podcast with Adriane Fugh-Berman

Who gets to decide on what it means to have a disease? I posed this question a while back in reference to Alzheimer's disease . I’ll save you from reading the article, but the main headline is that corporations are very much the “who” in who gets to define the nature of disease. They do this either through the invention of disease states or, more often, by redrawing the boundaries of what is considered a disease (think pre-diabetes). On today's podcast, we invite Adriane Fugh-Berman to discuss t...

May 16, 202447 minEp. 310

Public Facing Education via Social Media: A Podcast with Julie McFadden, Matt Tyler, Sammy Winemaker and Hsien Seow

On today’s podcast, we’ve invited four hospice and palliative care social media influencers (yes, that’s a thing!), all of whom focus their efforts on educating the general public about living and dying with a serious illness. Their work is pretty impressive in both reach (some of their posts are seen by millions of viewers) and breadth of work. We’ve invited: Julie McFadden (aka Hospice Nurse Julie ): Julie is a social media superstar, with 1.5 million subscribers on TikTok , another 400,000 su...

May 09, 202448 minEp. 309

Palliative Care Nursing: Podcast with Betty Ferrell about ELNEC

As Betty Ferrell says on our podcast today, nurses play an essential role in care of people with serious illness. Who spends the most time with the patient in the infusion center? Doing home care? Hospice visits? In the ICU at the bedside? Nurses. ELNEC (End-of-Life Nursing Education Consortium) celebrates it’s 25th anniversary in 2025. We talk today with Betty Ferrell, who has been a nurse for 47 years, and is the founder and PI of ELNEC. As I argue on the podcast, ELNEC has likely done more to...

Apr 26, 202448 minEp. 308

The Promise and Pitfalls of AI in Medicine: Bob Wachter

Eric asks the question that is on many of our minds - is the future of AI more Skynet from Terminator, in which AI takes over the world and drives humanity to the brink of extinction, or Wall-E, in which a benevolent and empathetic AI restores our humanity? Our guest today is Bob Wachter, Chair of Medicine at UCSF and author of the Digital Doctor: Hope, Hype, and Harm at the Dawn of Medicine’s Computer Age . Bob recently wrote an essay in JAMA on AI and delivered a UCSF Grand Round s on the same...

Apr 18, 202445 minEp. 307

Ambivalence in Decision-Making: A Podcast with Joshua Briscoe, Bryanna Moore, Jennifer Blumenthal-Barby & Olubukunola Dwyer

Ambivalence is a tough concept when it comes to decision-making. On the one hand, when people have ambivalence but haven't explored why they are ambivalent, they are prone to bad, value-incongruent decisions. On the other hand, acknowledging and exploring ambivalence may lead to better, more ethical, and less biased decisions. On today's podcast, Joshua Briscoe, Bryanna Moore, Jennifer Blumenthal-Barby, and Olubukunola Dwyer discuss the challenges of ambivalence and ways to address them. This po...

Apr 11, 202452 minEp. 306

Surrogate Decision Making: Bernie Lo and Laurie Dornbrand

In 1983, a 25 year old Nancy Cruzan was thrown from her car while driving home in Missouri, landing in a water filled ditch. She was resuscitated by EMS, but did not regain higher brain function, and was eventually diagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state . In 1988, Cruzan’s parents requested that her feeding tube be removed, arguing that she would not want to continue in this state. The hospital refused without a court order, and the case eventually made its way to the Supreme Court....

Apr 04, 202449 minEp. 305

PC Trials at State of Science: Tom LeBlanc, Kate Courtright, & Corita Grudzen

One marker of the distance we’ve traveled in palliative care is the blossoming evidence base for the field. Ten years ago we would have been hard pressed to find 3 clinical trial abstracts submitted to the annual meeting, much less high quality randomized trials with robust measures, sample sizes, and analytics plans. Well, as a kick off to this year’s first in-person State of the Science plenary, held in conjunction with the closing Saturday session of the AAHPM/HPNA Annual Assembly, 3 randomiz...

Mar 28, 202440 minEp. 304

Electronic Frailty Indexes: Kate Callahan, Ariela Orkaby, & Dae Kim

What is frailty? Kate Callahan relates a clear metaphor on today’s podcast. A frail person is like an origami boat: fine in still water, but can’t withstand a breeze, or waves. Fundamentally, frailty is about vulnerability to stress. In 2021 we talked with Linda Fried about phenotypic frailty . Today we talk with Kate Callahan, Ariela Orkaby, & Dae Kim about deficit accumulation frailty. What is the difference, you ask? George Kushel probably explained it best in graphical terms (in JAGS), u...

Mar 21, 202444 minEp. 303
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