#96: Authoritarianism | Vaccine Sophistry | Coronavirus | Essential Fatty Acids? | Ray Peat with Chris Masterjohn

Okay, Chris Masterjohn, generative energy. That was a lot of troubleshooting and a failure on my part. How are you, Chris? I'm doing great. How you doing, Danny? Good man. It's been since uh two thousand eleven. Yeah. That was a while ago. Yeah, that was a little bit ago. So the world's a different place. You think so? Do you think so?

It's the same place in a different place. Yeah. Okay. Well uh I actually wanted to start there as long ago as that seems. Like I remember co opting you when you were walking to one of the um Well what was that UCI? What what school was that at?

Well it was AHS, right? Yeah, AHS eleven. Probably UCSF, but I'm not sure. Anyways, I remember co-opting you in like UCLA, maybe. Yeah, UCLA, I think that was it. And and t talking to you about rapeat, and I think we were specifically talking about fructose. And I was like, Do you think he's right about fructose? And do you think he's wrong about I mean you're And you didn't have like the most like intricate explanation that it was like sh right right over my head.

Because I was uh pretty much sorry about that. No, no, no. That's not your fault. I think that was just your high intellect and my my uh uh well way less subpar intellect trying trying to connect at that time. Uh and then what I think that might have been the year where uh Robert Lustig was in the elevator with me and he seemed scared of me when he said hi. I actually have a lot of funny stories from that. Yeah.

So I can't remember who was giving a presentation. It might have been Stefan Guillonet, but Lustig had fallen asleep uh in the crowd. And then Denise Bigger was sitting next to me and we were like taking photos of Lustig and then like creative like putting cats on them like after uh it was just like a a vivid like image of uh Lustig. But um

And then uh I also remember was that the year that Gary Taubs got in a fight with uh Stefan? Well it had to have been because I was there and I only went one year. And then uh and then the other outstanding memory that I actually have from there is during your talk, uh um Jack Ruiz asking like an incomparable incomprehensible question to you. Do you remember that? No, but that sounds od on character for him. I remember cause uh my buddy

Was like, Do you know who that is? That's like a neurosurgeon, Jack Cruz. And I was like, I have no clue who that is. And and then he was sitting in the back, and I swear to God, he had like a a a like a undershirt on with like a barbecue stain on his shirt. And he stood up to ask you a question. And I remember you just being like totally in it like perplexed at it was like something about like quantum biology.

And and it was not even in the realm of what you were talking about. It was bizarre. Like a complete bizarre experience. So m me and me and Chris uh were in co inv were in both invited to this conference in Vermont to mut way smaller conference that no one really knows about. And um he was he was talking about vitamin A and he's talking he's like

Vitamin A doesn't do what Chris Masterjohn says it does. It's like it's created out of nowhere the eye from light. I'm like, all right. Okay. Enough here. Was that after or before your presentation or did he he was like giving you I d I I d I d I don't I don't remember. Um I I I I was I was less impressed that he um mentioned me and more just thought it was crazy what he was saying, but I was impressed with the barbecue scene on his t T shirt. It was really

Uh yeah, man. That was that feels like uh I mean it it was like a lifetime ago. Um Yeah, okay, so uh try trying to figure out where I want to go with beards now. We do. We both have both have give up on life beards is or Ted Kaczynski beards is what I call it.

Okay, uh I wanna talk to you about uh the the COVID stuff, uh, because I I I feel like in at least from my perception, uh a I think a lot of people in the health world were not critical of what was going on. Or they were critical and not saying anything because they wanted to protect

whatever they had online. And so I think um The few times I I checked in with you, I I you were always sticking to your guns saying, Hey, I mean later on in the whole thing, th what what's happening is wrong and I'm about like body aut autonomy first. before I am about any of these health ideas. And so maybe going back to twenty twenty or March of twenty twenty and given your perspective of um then and and now, like what what what did you think then and how do you think about it now?

Well, uh going We gotta go back a little bit further because I actually had my first case of COVID in uh the end of January twenty twenty. And first first day of symptoms was February first, twenty twenty. So it probably got infected end of January. Um, I was aware of it in two ways before most people were. One was because I was listening to the New York Times Daily Podcast.

uh at the time and they were covering it when it was some mysterious disease that people were trying to raise the government's uh uh attention to in China and the government was covering it up. And then also I follow Tim Ferris and Tim Ferris had jumped on it very early on. And I remember one of the first things that I heard about it was Sam Harris talking about how he had a friend who was completely healthy, fit, thirty-year-old male and died of it.

So my first instinct was to be to be pretty afraid of it. You know, I didn't know what it was and there were people whose you know, who I Not who I really trusted about health or infectious disease, but who I just, you know, considered in my trustable circle. who, you know, never before had been freaking out about some virus and so it, you know, caught my attention as likely to be different from

most other viruses I had it had, you know, come into contact with. Um I think the first sign that something was deeply wrong was when I was watching Cuomo's press conference, Andrew Cuomo was the governor of New York at the time. And he stated what I now call the Cuomo test, which is if it would save one life, we must shut the whole city down. And not only him saying that, but none of the journalists pushing back in any way.

made it pretty obvious that rationality had been thrown out the window. You know, it's it's one thing to say, we are not sure what this is. Let's shut this conference down. until we l until we learn more about it because if it's bad, we don't want it to superspread. It's another thing to introduce a principle. that if you could save one life you have to set the shut the whole city down. I mean, this is just obvious.

That that's false because one life could be saved by abolishing traffic, like abolish cars. You would save many lives, but no one's abolishing cars. Um, you know, any number of causes of death that are allowed to run rampant in the city. You can uh I mean, just a few years before that in 2015, they got rid of Stoppenfrisk, which was a completely unconstitutional search and seizure.

uh that was racially targeted and whatever. But when they got rid of stoppenfrisk that year, the the year to date murder rate in my neighborhood went up seven hundred percent. And there was someone being shot in my precinct every single day.

uh in summer of twenty fifteen until they started um until until the NYPD and the and the feds took down the outlaw gangsta crips in East Flatbush. Well So anyway, it's completely completely obvious that they Don't believe that if it we if you could save one life. you can take any measure, right? They're they're so obsessed with uh retaining life.

like these people, these whores for industry and stuff of uh proliferating new dangerous technologies and things, they they can't let one person die, you know? Yeah, it's so absurd. Yeah. Well it it later turned out it later turned out that Cuomo didn't uh didn't shut the city down to save grandma. He killed grandma so he could shut the city down. Because, you know, it all It I I don't think I was privy to this as it was happening, but as the more I became skeptical, the more I looked into.

it and and and realized that Cuomo had in March twenty twenty made an executive order. that none of the infected people coming out of the hospital who were who were in nursing homes could be rejected from the nursing homes, even if they were still infectious. And he ordered them into the nursing homes. And then on on top of that,

He snuck into the budget bill immunity for the nursing home executives. And then he by executive order stopped counting the number of COVID deaths that occurred in nursing homes. So this guy created the pandemic. I mean, if if you think about it, but going and I I suspect that the reason that Cuomo was basically fired by Joe Biden.

I mean Cu Cuomo was Cuomo was under impeachment hearings for impeachment investigation by the state senate for a long time until the day that Joe Biden told him to resign over the sexual harassment scandal and the impeachment investigation stopped. The day after that. And I believe that's because what the impeachment investigation would probably have uncovered is corruption going up at least to the CDC.

where Cuomo was probably advised by people over him at the national level to do that. Um, because because all the only other state that had an outbreak at that time was in uh W Washington state, I think it was. where the CDC ordered the the nursing homes to stop testing. They said, you're not allowed to test anyone for COVID until we approve a test. And then they dragged their feet and took forever to to approve a test.

So what did they do? They basically seeded the pandemic through the nursing homes, killing off as many old people as they could. And then in you know, all the people who work in the nursing homes and then come back to normal life then spread it like wildfire in the city. Um, so they they probably could have contained it if it wasn't their goal to spread it, but they s they spread it and they made it look outrageously more fatal than it was.

by killing off the old people first. If you look at the second um The first, second, and third wave of COVID. If you just go to Google and type in the COVID cases and the COVID deaths and divide the the COVID deaths by the COVID cases to get the fatality rate. The infection fatality rate is uh eight times higher in the first wave than the second wave and 15 times higher in the first wave than the third wave.

Right. Why was it so high? You know, part of it is you would expect that because the people most vulnerable die off and leave the less vulnerable people behind. But not I don't I think it's eightfold because they just straight up killed all the most vulnerable people. And then they then they could come up with this absurd test to make it sound rational that if you could save one life, you shut the whole city down.

So I A real another turning point for me was when Like half my family had kind of gotten caught up in the oh yeah, we shouldn't see each other for Thanksgiving and whatever, and the other half kind of didn't get caught up in that. And I have a very I have a very small nuclear family you know, to like me and my mom. And then I have a huge extended family with lots of cousins. So Thanksgiving 2020, I went to Thanksgiving. I was in the half that that decided Thanksgiving was okay.

And I had two, my aunt and my cousin came up from Florida. And it was so obvious to me at that time that they were those two people were so much happier than everyone else. And then at that point, it suddenly struck me that I didn't realize how much anxiety and depression and psychological distress. Was happening to me and everyone else in the Northeast until I saw people from Florida who were just.

you know, it seemed like it w they weren't in twenty twenty. They were in the previous world. And so that was a turning point for me where I r where I it became Not, you know, I like I was starting to realize it as soon as Cuomo made the Cuomo test, but then I was like, it really hit home for me, like, wow, I can't believe how much now I realize how much this is in affecting me.

Um, and then the vaccine stuff was the major turning point because I spent all of twenty twenty or most of it doing like twelve hours a day of research on filtering through the two hundred uh titles that came out on the preprint servers.

of COVID research, figuring out which ones were worth reading and then figuring out which ones were worth writing about in my newsletter and then doing that. Right. So all of 2020 I'm spending completely immersed in all the many things that you can do to protect yourself from COVID.

When the vaccine stuff comes out, I just keep on doing what I've been doing the whole time, which is I read some research, I write about it, and then all of a sudden I'm getting people who are like, It's your fault that there are mass graves in Mexico because

You are discouraging people from getting the vaccine. But I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm just like reading research and posting the research about it. And so the the way that people had got caught up in this religious fervor, the vacc the vaccine became a substitute for for bat for a a Christian baptism where it was it was the the one thing that you must do for the remission of all sins. I mean there was there was even in New in New Orleans that they didn't

Explicitly make a quid pro quo where if you get vaccinated, you get your your felony wiped off your record. But they did say. Come get your felony wiped off your your record. If you're vaccinated, we'll help you fill out the paperwork. Oh wow, I didn't know. And so so there I when I read that I was like this is This is literally the the remission of sins promised by the theistic authority to the sinners. Right? Like what the hell does this have to do with science? This is religion, you know?

And and then of course when it got to the point like when I got kicked out of my gym because I didn't have the COVID vaccine, um I just I made You know, I got like a squat rack and all this other equipment in the in the room next to me because within three days I had my home gym put together. But when they started

uh threatening tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs over it. That's when I I really got involved in in in the activism around the vaccine mandates. And um, you know, there was a period of time where Uh some of my friends and I had this underground secret Google Maps list where we would go into the restaurants and see

who would reliably not check our papers and then would add the restaurant to the list. And so it had it had a little bit of a of a of an appeal of being like a like a um you know like a a mini uh You know, we're not like Edward Snowden or something, but we're like, you know, kind of kind of on that scale or whatever in a in a small way. And um And then uh and then it was I think the the vaccine mandates for the for the um

for the restaurants in New York City, they ultimately got defeated by I think by sit ins. So it there was just around the time that um uh, you know, arrest uh five people and and it was happening where like when On the day that Cheesecake Factory event happened the day after it. There was a small army of police officers who had come to Cheesecake Factory preemptively. There's like thirty of them in the hallway at Cheesecake Factory to protect Cheesecake Factory from the potential of another

unvaccinated five people that want to sit down at their table. And and this is the same day where like Someone died because someone pushed them in front of the train and no one was no one was there to stop it. And then, you know, they watch this dude who wants to kill everyone who's not black. He he comes from way out of state, documents his trip on YouTube.

The Fed the the FBI had been watching this guy for a while, decided he wasn't a threat. He documents his whole trip in real time on YouTube. Um, there's he's he's like there's video of him yelling at uh racial epithets at like Hispanic people for being like too white proximate and and and Chinese people for for being like you know h high up in society because Of the white privilege that's donated to them. And and he says that they should die on camera. And the guy shows up in um

On a day that the mis cameras mysteriously went blank in the subway, he shows up, throws a smoke bomb, and starts randomly shooting at people. And so these videos, they make like There was someone I knew who was um She had been a nobody. She was, you know, worked in the school system. She she was at every protest printing out subversive stickers. asking donations for them that people could put up. And this girl gets Twenty seconds on Jimmy Fallon.

Talking about how they need to t take down Cheesecake Factory. 'Cause Fallon's just making fun of these idiots in New York who are so in intent on k killing grandma that they'll they're willing to eat at Cheesecake Factory and spread a disease, right? Like he's making fun of them, but still It's national attention all over the place like that.

juxtaposed against the people dying from being pushed in front of a train or being shot up in the subway system and all the cops are at Cheesecake Factory. And I I think I think the the credibility loss was being squeezed so to the maximum at that point that they that they they just quietly got rid of

all these mandates and it, you know, it took six months for them to get rid of the worker mandates and stuff like that. And now people are winning court cases and whatever. But that that's sort of the story of my evolution and on that. That's like so that seems like it was ten years ago or something. That like uh yeah, I I I wouldn't even have remembered if you hadn't told me. It was it was less than a year ago. Dude Wild. Um w when

I I can't remember when I thought that there would definitely be a new vaccine that h that came out. It might have been pretty early on. I think people were talking about that in in April, saying this is all gonna lead to a new new vaccine coming out. When so what one is what is your history with vaccines? Have you been skeptical of them? Have you been

Like uh w would you have a reason to be skeptical of them before you found out about the COVID vaccine? And then when once you found out the mechanism of the vaccine, were you like, This sounds nuts? Or what what did you think about that? Well, I did know that there was almost no one anywhere who ever had any rational conversations about vaccines and all vaccine advocates spoke as if with r a religious attitude towards them.

But I didn't have any decisions that I would make about the ultimate efficacy. So I it was a a topic that Until COVID, I had decided I was going to table until I had children because I was vaccinated for everything on the schedule in the 1980s. Um, and I am like 20 or 30 years behind in my tetanus shot, but I can't find any evidence that the tetanus boosters are needed even by standard um

You know, i I mean you can find you can find papers suggesting that the that'cause not every country has every ten year boosters and there's like no difference in the incidence of tetanus between those that do and those that don't. So I it's But I mean, I'll I also know that like you're not gonna get a tetanus infection if you like pour some hydrogen peroxide into a

into a deep wound because you the reason you get it in the first place is because it grows in anoxic environments. And so if the wound is deep enough that the tissue starts to close up before the immune system to can kill what's there, then the oxygen level is too low. in the wound. I'm not worried about it. But it but anyway, um you know, I did know that uh that that people believe things that have that are obviously false. about vaccines as the main things that they believe about vaccines. So

You know, I I was watching uh Lex Friedman, um, I think it was in the intro to his interview with the Pfizer CEO, and he makes this statement, vaccines have saved hundreds of millions of lives or whatever. And I'm like I'm like, you're making a lot of shortcuts in your thinking because all of the vaccine preventable diseases had their mortality wiped out before the vaccines for them were made. Um and actually

To write book. Ah, I thought I had the book there. Anyway, Thomas, Thomas McKeon's uh The Rise, The Modern Rise in Population from 1976. is is the the best starting place for this because he was he was not trying to um yeah you might find some charts in there from from the book. I'm not sure he was not trying to uh argue that uh against vaccines. In fact, he shows this this graph of uh tuberculosis mortality going down like almost disappearing until they introduced the vaccine in the UK. And

And then there the the last little bit of mortality disappears after the vaccine is introduced. And he speaks positively of the vaccine and says that it probably got rid of the you know, probably sped up the rest of the the decrease in mortality. So he's never talking against vaccines. He's just arguing

for an alternative hypothesis of why the population exploded. And he's arguing that the nutrition was very bad at the at the um at the time of very high infectious diseases in like the 1700s and 1800s.

And that that mortality was wiped out by improvements in nutrition before any of the other things that that it is attributed to had the chance to start acting on it. And I would add I would add things to his argument, but I the the the obvious thing here And he and he does believe that the smallpox vaccine helped get rid of smallpox mortality, but he argues that smallpox mortality was was a very small n uh proportion of infectious disease mortality.

At the at the time period when infectious disease mortality went from being the leading cause of death to a trivial cause of death. Um, and so he he's not against the idea that the vaccine could wipe out the mortality. It's just that measles became mostly non-fatal by the time the vaccine was introduced. So you can't say that.

By wiping out all the cases of measles, it wiped out all that mortality because that though all that mort measles was not potential mortality at the time the vaccine was introduced. And so, you know, it may be the case that you could argue that somewhere in the developing world that there are countries where

um, measles mortality was legitimately wiped out by the vaccine. I don't know if that's true, but it's absolutely not true in the UK, and it's absolutely not true in the US, and it's absolutely not true for any of the of the vaccine preventable diseases um in the United in the modern West. And so the fact that people just

They just skip straight to this and they cannot tolerate a challenge to it. Like I posted a a graph of uh tuberculosis and measles mortality years ago, way before COVID on my Facebook. And I, you know, I just thought it was an interesting graph. Like, wow, look at this. I had never looked at this before. Like, obviously, the vaccine didn't wipe out the mortality.

And people shoot back with why the mur this graph is misleading because the incidence of measles remained high until the vaccine came and wiped it out. And it's like, yes, this is true, but that's just an additional fact to the fact that the vaccine had no impact on measles mortality in any meaningful sense because it wasn't fatal by the time it wiped out the incident.

So nutrition had rendered measles a largely harmless disease. And modern medicine has also rendered measles a largely harmless disease even in malnutri nourished people like No one's dying in these measles outbreaks that occur in upstate New York, uh, because modern medicine has is able to treat most of the complications of of of the disease. even if these people are are not are not getting what I would consider optimal nutrition. Um You know, so I since COVID

COVID has made me realize how much of a scam all modern vaccine efficacy research is, however. So one of the things that kept coming up in the COVID vaccines is this thing called a test negative case control study. And like, what is this? So I go and look at it and I see they define this as all of the cases and the controls are c uh have the identical clinical case. And then you test efficacy of the vaccine by the vaccine prevent uh preventing a positive test for the pathogen of interest.

Okay, why would you so what this means is everyone is equally sick. And you are defining the vaccine as effective based on a test. in this case the PCR test, right? So what what you're saying is that the COVID vaccines Make equally sick people get a negative PCR test. That's literally what the definition of efficacy is, right? This it's not just the the the case control studies. This is how all the vaccine trials were were designed as well.

You got sick and thought you had COVID. You reported it. They said, okay, take that kit, you know, in a telemedicine conference. They said, take that kit we gave you at the beginning of the study, swab your own nose, send it into us. We'll test it. So, you know, 95% efficacious against what? Against someone thinking they had COVID, their doctor agreeing based on their symptoms, and they get a negative test.

Right. So you are the whole definition of efficacy is a negative test despite being equally sick. That's the literal definition of it of e efficacy. So I I go, I'm like sh I say to myself, I'm like, surely there must be criticism of this design in the literature. So I go and I I intend to learn more about it. And I find this review by Mark Lipich, who's a a major he he's he's gotten very popular in the area of COVID vaccines because he's a major vaccine efficacy researcher.

And he Has this review that shows that ninety percent of vaccine efficacy studies sense. In the la uh since um nineteen nineties basically. So they were invented in nineteen eighty for the Numikako vaccine. And then uh over the last ten or twenty years they've become ninety percent of vaccine efficacy studies. Um And I'm looking at the table and I see I see these polio studies. And I'm looking at the table and I'm like, that makes it look like everyone was equally paralyzed.

And they defined the efficacy based on a negative stool test. I'm like, that can't be right. So I'm like, I can't, I'm like, I cannot go and say this to the internet and not know for sure that they really. fucked our knowledge up this much, right? Like so so I go and I pull up these four polio studies. And granted this is not the not the um Not the polio vaccine that's used in the United States. This is the live polio vaccine that's used in the developing world because they always give

the dangerous vaccines to people in South Asia and Africa. That's the that's the MO, right? Is um get it banned in the United States after you kill enough people, then give it to the Africans. That's the MO. So uh So I pull up these four polio vaccine studies, and that's exactly what they do. They have tens of thousands of people that that are not just paralyzed children, but they are paralyzed with the literal specific

clinical definition of polio, right? They have the the specific nervous uh spinal degeneration that is by which polio is defined. P well polio originally was defined based on that alone. Now it's defined as that plus a positive stool test for type one or type three wild poliovirus. So not type two poliovirus, which is the vaccine containing poliovirus. So these children have what used to be called polio. And what is the clinical definition of polio? And are all paralyzed? And the vaccine is 95%.

effective against polio because it gives the paralyzed children a negative stool test for type one or type two wild polio virus. So I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. I sp I spend like most of twenty twenty one getting people saying like against the COVID vaccines. You want everyone to have polio too. And I'm like, what does COVID have to do with polio? And now I'm like, wait a second. COVID is exactly like polio because they define this vaccine that does nothing for the clinical case.

based on being equally sick with the problem and getting a negative test. And and so why would you as an industry, why would you all gravitate towards 90% use of a design that controls for the clinical case. And Defines efficacy based on the test for the pathogen of interest, unless you thought that your product. was borderline useless or worse against the clinical case and was primarily useful for the test. Why else would you gravitate that? I mean you would think what you would want to do

is control for the pathogen and look at the clinical outcome. Right. So when the CDC says that an mRNA booster shot is 95% effective against COVID-19 associated hospitalizations. This is a stand because every single person who hears this thinks if I get COVID, I will stay out of the hospital. And what they mean is if you're in the hospital.

with respiratory failure, you'll test negative for COVID. Right? So it's it's a comp it's a complete sleight of hand where they know everyone who hears it thinks. You're controlling for COVID and the variable is hospitalization. But you're controlling for hospitalization that variable is the COVID test. So what year were these polio papers? They've been they've been doing this forever. This is like the MO of their their fraud vaccine research, right?

So I have um I have an article called Test Negative Case Control Studies Are a Scam. And it has it has those studies. So let me pull this up. So um All right, uh 2007, 2008, 2014, and 2012. Did did you send this to me or something?

Oh no, but um but I can. Oh I was gonna say it probably won't work'cause I don't have access to the the computer that you're on. Oh no, I just I just I just looked it up. So I just I I Googled um I Googled Master John test negative case control studies scan and then it's top Google result. Right here. Oh got it. Got it. Got it. Yeah, so if you if you scroll down, there's a bullet point list of um of four polio studies. Here? Those ones. Uh Okay, so

But but uh uh I'm I'm sorry, you might answer my question. So so these were the original ones that you had saw that you saw that the testing methods were No, those were the four polio studies that I found when I when I said when I said this can't be as bad as it looks in this table. And then I and I looked it up and found that it's exactly as bad as it appears in the table.

Uh one thing to comment on what you had said before, Ivan Illich in his book Medical Nemesis says exactly what you said about um cleaning up the environment and doctors' efficaciousness being basically a complete illusion like that. Like uh jumps in health of societies were always related to nutritional uh improvements or sanitation improvements or reductions in pollution or et cetera. So it's like th that's that was such a huge thing for me. It's like okay, if they if there was really a

If they really cared about the people, they'd start like cleaning up the environment. They'd start improving the food. They'd start removing these like toxic elements in the food supply and because they they want all of us to live. They want all of us to feel really good. And the fact that they That's why they want to M RNA vaccinate the food. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we can talk about that too. But okay, so when when did you catch wind of

the mechanism of the vaccine and I mean well what is your opinion on that? Getting in the the body to produce a toxic spike protein, is that a good idea or a bad idea? Um, it's a terrible idea, although, you know, I think I think the average person can tolerate it. I mean, you know, it's I I only probably the people that are dropping dead from it is one in ten thousand or something like that, you know. What uh

Aaron Powell So from what you've read, like that ability to produce that spike protein, do you do you think that would uh lead to a degenerative problem down the line? I mean it's so it's so recent, you know. Like we we just Just w it it yeah, if they would I mean it's it it would do the opposite of what generating energy would do. So the spike protein is a pore forming toxin that pokes holes in cell membranes.

And ener most energy is or a major um a major use of energy is putting things on one side or another of a membrane so that you can compartmentalize things or you can use their distribution across those membranes as a future source of energy or as some kind of signaling. And so, you know, if you if you had a disruption of mitochondrial energy production, one of the things that you're gonna get. is the inability to control your muscles, right? So you could have tremors or twitching.

Um, or, you know, any depending on exactly what's impacted, uh, you know, they could look like Parkinson's or it could look like uh many other things. But anyway. Um, you know, you poke holes in cell membranes, you're gonna get the same thing because the the problem is that your n neurological regulation of your muscles is all driven by compartmentalizing calcium and other ions. using energy and if you poke holes in, you know, it's it's like um

You're trying to carry water somewhere and you poke holes in the bucket. It's the same it's the same thing, right? Like so you get a shitty bucket or you poke holes in the bucket. You're in the same place.

Or you know, or you have no energy to lift the bucket up. Like the all three things result in the water not getting where you want it, right? So it's it's it's very similar there. Um and I and I think One of the problems is um The C D C and the FDA have what I view as a very bad system for trying to look for adverse effects because They I think medicine has this problem in general. They they over they overbelieve in the specificity of causes and effects.

So, you know, they they think like um if you start from first principles and you say, Okay, this thing's a poor forming toxin. It will it will eliminate the ion gradients across membranes and all the body. It will, you know the spectrum of adverse effects you should expect from that is infinite. There's there's literally nothing in in the bot that could go wrong in the body that that would not go wrong as a result.

of a disruption of cell membrane integrity or a disruption in energy production. Uh nothing. Um And uh well, you have this quote on the screen. What could be more important to understand than biolog biological energy?

thought thought growth movement, every philosophical practical issue involves the nature of biological energy. From Ray Pete, I would, you know, I I I wrote an article uh two days ago where I said life s centrally defined is The defiance of the imperative towards entropy as encoded in the second law of thermodynamics. using the input of energy, right? Like that just every single process in in life is energy dependent and there's no

There's no end to the list of secondary, tertiary, quaternary, and so on effects that would be downstream from a disruption of that. And even production of energy in You know, just go to textbook, mitochondrial function. It's all predicated on on controlling the flow of ions across membranes. in order to utilize the kinetic energy to synthesize A ATP and then transfer that chemical energy elsewhere. Um and so I

There there are there's just a a serious problem with dismissing everything that they don't say, well, this has a relation to what was discovered as a signal in a vaccine trial. They're just extremely narrowly looking at it. Um, and I think it's I think it's just wildly plausible that any increased signal of any kind of health problem is very plausibly attributed to the vaccines.

Um I I I think it's just completely unambiguous that this fivefold or whatever increase in athletes dropping dead in the field is just

so obviously explainable by the vaccine. I mean, it doesn't m it doesn't mean you can prove that the vaccine did it. It just means that should be considered a major, a major signal. Uh, you know, any anything that The net increase in mortality that's occurring after the public health wiping out the mortality of the pandemic is argues that the net effect of public health was to kill people. Something about the public health is killing people, but um

So you're saying the primary mechanism, the spike protein, is for cells to accumulate intracellular calcium? Would that would that be the toxic effect? That would be one of them, but the but it's gonna disrupt their control of any ions. So s so certainly Um certainly one of one of the things that they do is disrupt uh the control of calcium ions. And so in um epithelial cells that's gonna cause

I mean all the inflammatory cytokines do the same thing, but it's receptor mediated. You know, so a histamine acts on an epithelial cell by binding to a receptor that allows calcium to come in. activate nitric oxide production, do some other downstream things, which ultimately leads to vasodilation when you have a little bit or leads to epithelial permeability when you have a lot of it. Um and And if you poke holes in the cell membrane, calcium's gonna come in without a receptor activation.

Mm-hmm. Um in the mitochondria, if calcium comes in, that's gonna be a signal that will activate cell death. Because it the mitochondria is interpreting that as uh as a um a sign that the rest of the cell is messed up. But there's all sorts of other ions. You know, if on a on a um on a nerve cell, if you allow chloride into the cell, you're going to inhibit it. But if you allow sodium or potassium into the cell, you're going to activate it.

It you could just go on and on. There's many examples of this. Like in the gut. If you allow sodium to flow back into the cell by making it permeable, you're going to eliminate the sodium gradient that's used to transport glucose and a lot of different vitamins and some minerals. Um, just there's just endless examples of ion gradients being used to transport things or to signal things or to get things done.

Did you think it was intent to hurt people or w or was it just incompetence for money or what did you start to think about? I mean when the vacc I mean I I I I was dating someone at the time and I actually drove drove her to the site to get her first vaccine. So I I was my position toward it at the time was

I already got COVID. Why would I get vaccinated? And um, but it was, but it was also sort of like All all the arguments for vaccines are so sketchy and I don't know what I think about them that I will endlessly put off. The need to think about it in the way that I do my tetanus shot. You know, like it I it was just like I don't know if I want to get the vaccine. Um, but I'd rather not have to think about it and I don't have to think about it'cause I already got COVID. So um

But you know, so I like if i knowing what I know now, I I uh back at that time I would I would not have done that. I would have been like, you know, you can do whatever you want, but I'm not playing any Pardon that. Um I I remove the gas from the car and I can't drive.

I don't know about where you come from, but in New York City most girls don't drive. Oh god, I got um they all they all talk about wanting to learn to drive and then draw. Uh so anyway, um Uh yeah, I mean I I didn't I didn't there was a lot to my evolution to thinking about about arriving at uh what it might be doing. Even now, I'm not so sure that There are very many people who are consciously trying to hurt people.

I think they're I think that I mean it would be bizarre if there weren't some, right? Because there's a certain percentage of psychopaths and sociopaths in the population and it's completely irrational to think that

people in power are unenriched in that fraction rather than enriched. Um, I mean that that's that's just wildly irrational because because if if someone has malintent Um then the the only way on earth they could possibly not accumulate in positions of power is if they are if if malintent goes along with um more than its proportion proportional load of incompetence. And so you get these people who dismiss malintent using um Hanlon's razor.

Which it would be very funny if Hanlon no one knows who Hanlon is, but it would be very funny if he turned out to be malicious. But that's the idea that you should never ascribe to malice what can be ascribed to incompetence. But that... That that even that is suggesting that there's generally a divergence between malice and incompetence. If there is, then it makes no sense to believe that the malicious people would be the most incompetent people on the planet.

And we know that that's not true. I mean, if you look at serial killers or something like that, many of them are very competent at killing a lot of people before they get caught. Like there's there's no there's nothing that makes malicious people obviously incompetent. So therefore um people in power, you know, like let's say you take two people in an election.

who are equally competent, but one's more malicious than the other, the mountain the malicious one is going to win, obviously, because they're going to play dirty, right? So it has to be the case that if you control for competence, malice accumulates in power. Because malicious people will seek power because they can exercise their malice with it. So they're more motivated to seek power and they're more comp, they're generally going to be.

Even if they're equally personally competent, they will be more competent at getting power because by being malicious, they have a wider spectrum of tools in their kit. that they can exercise to get that power. Whereas an a person with integrity and non-malice will have ethical boundaries against using certain tactics and that will put them at a at a universal disadvantage. So anyway. It must be the case that the percentage of people with mallet that the percentage of

Psychopaths and sociopaths who are in power has to be higher than the percentage in the general population. And I don't know what the numbers are off the top of my head, but we're in the single digit percent. So we're not lower than that. Anyway, um

I still don't think that most of what's driving anything with the vaccine is is is outright malice. Um, I and I don't think that the motivations are homogenous either. So I think people in Pfizer you know, m mostly want like most of the people who work for Pfizer just just want to have a good job and

you know, achieve something, like the people in R and D and whatever, and the CEO just wants to make the company make a lot of money. You know, I d I do think that there's evidence that they um You know, that that they in internally in their mind, they do things that they that they know are not quite the best and least malicious option

And they rationalize why they should do it anyway. I mean, why did why did the CEO of Pfizer sell sixty percent of his stock when the vaccine came out? Because he, you know, he bought the rumor and sold the news, as they say, in the trading circles.

And he, you know, he expected something to look not as good as it as it seemed at first glance. And why do they use these studies? Because, you know, b they learned they can game the system that way. But I don't think they're thinking about it. Like I don't think Mark Lipich is

Go is sitting there going like, aha, test negative case control studies. We can scam everyone. It's just that these academics are so They're so separated from the practical realities and and so caught up in their academic ideas. that they actually think it makes sense for for the these, you know, twelve people in the world.

To to be the you know, among the fifteen people that read each other's papers and endlessly write about how they targeted these specific pathogen of interest successfully and it was a s and it was a successful game. Um, and so I I really don't think that they want to increase the amount of paralysis in the world, but I I do think that they're just the academics.

you know, are very wrapped up in the academic question of can we find us a way to demonstrate the reduction of type one polio virus in this sample population? And they're just totally out of touch. With the reality of the parents who are gonna be like, when is my kid gonna be not paralyzed? Or is you know, they they're right. So I I don't but there are probably some people

Who I mean, there's definitely a camp of people who believe that there's too many people in the world and that they that they they need to be somewhat surreptitious about how they fix that. Um, you know, that's there. And then there's other people who just want a lot of power, and that's their. I mean, Bill Gates just strikes me as kind of like he

couldn't care less what he's monopolizing, but he has a voracious appetite to monopolize something. And since the federal government really did all they could to penalize him for monopolizing the software industry, he thought that he could you know, revamp his reputation if he monopolized global public health. You know, he probably cares way more about that than overpopulation. Um

You know, but he but all things being equal, if he could reduce the more the fertility rate by ten percent, he'd probably do it. You know, he'd probably be like, Well, here's a way we can prevent vaccine preventable diseases and also You know, on the margins cut down some fertility or whatever. I don't think it would it would I don't think you'd have ethical qualms about it.

What w what about the f uh as far as I know this is true, but the the pharma companies working with the Pentagon to create this vaccine? Like nobody ha it's not an abstraction at all for anybody to believe that These uh neocon Pentagon types will go into the Middle East and lay waste to it, but but they never think the same kind of malicious power could be turned on them.

And so that that also the fact that like how how did they make so many vaccines so quickly? We never heard stories or at least I didn't, of of manufacturing plants of producing these things at a rapid rate or whatever, it just seems um Absolutely crazy that people are on their fourth or fifth vaccine of for like billions of people on the planet. It just seems like there had to have been some forethought about w what the plan was and what to do about it. But

Um, I don't know what do you think about it. Well, there was there was definitely a lot of forethought. I would recommend uh Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s. uh the real Anthony Fauci, the last chapter of that book is called Germ Games. And I would, you know, if you don't have time, it's a big book. If you don't have time to read it, I would skip right to the last chapter and just read that. And it's a documentation of twenty years of pandemic preparedness planning.

that was taken out of the military's uh war game scenario planning from the post-World War Two period. Uh, there was this guy, Peter Schwartz, who pioneered um the use of the military scenario planning for oil companies in the eighties. And Schwartz was is a um a futurist and scenario planner. He gave Senate testimony pro in uh m I believe months before nine eleven

that one possible terrorist attack would be two two planes are driven into the World Trade Center. Um, he sits on the advisory board to movies. So he was on Minority Report as an advisor, which was about b be uh basically thought police who are able to predict crimes before they happen and arrest you for them. And he was involved to some degree in um in scenario planning for the Rockefeller Foundation. In 2010, he was the mate the main author of a report called Lockstep.

Where he's plant uh he Plans out a pandemic that the the can I haven't read the whole thing, but there's a quote from it that after the pandemic receded. the global leaders realized that the firmer grip on power that they had taken needed to be stepped up and centralized further rather than let go of it. And so they increased their authoritarianism. Because they realized that this was the mechanism by which they would solve poverty, inequity, and climate change.

And that's like you know, very seems very freshant now. But but anyway, the the bulk of the scenario planning was Robert Kadleck was was the major initiator of the specifically of the German biological warfare scenario planning. Um he started it with Johns Hopkins, uh CIA was involved and um et cetera. Uh in 1999. And fast forward to COVID, Trump appointed him Assistant Secretary of Preparedness and Emergency Response.

in twenty seventeen. So he was he was the inside head of COVID control in the US. when COVID happened. And he is also the guy who pioneered the scenario planning in 1999. So there were more than a dozen major multi-agency events. In some cases, multi-country events. And in in 2019, there were two. Crimson Contagion was in June, and event 201 was in October. And these were very much um, you know.

How do we how do we impose lockdown? How do we get people to accept the vaccine? Even modeling out like The vaccine hesitant people will be the African Americans and the natural health people and a growing online internet contingent who say that it wasn't tested for long enough to know it was safe.

And they model out that it'll seem safe in the first year. And then after the first year, there will be um an a certain incidence of severe neurological problems tied to it, but It they'll be low enough. of a rate of those to marginalize those people. Uh, but the bigger problem will be that the that that data will come out saying that the CDC originally inflated the infection fatality rate. And so people will not want to take the vaccine because they don't think the disease matters.

And here's how the how the FDA and the CDC can cooperate with the social media companies to get to make a new scare campaign to get people back thinking that they have to get vaccinated to get the rest of them. And you know, you just you read this stuff and it's like clearly they they were working on it um in an organized fashion.

Uh that doesn't mean that everyone has the same motivations in it. You know, I think the people in the CDC and FDA are are thinking about things differently than Pfizer and thinking about things differently than, you know, Klaus Schwab and et cetera. And you can see that they're, you know, look at the the top two people in the FDA. They resigned their pizza uh not in in the FDA, in the FDA's vaccine uh section. The head the the head of the vaccine stuff and the and the number two person.

who were in charge of approving the Pfizer vaccine, um, or the EU for the Pfizer vaccine. They resigned when the Biden administration took over because they said they were getting pressure to uh approve the boosters. And they didn't think they should have that level of political pressure on them and they didn't know if the boosters were a good idea. They could see a lot of downsides to it. And they w they were even writing op-eds in the Wall Street Journal.

Those people obviously had certain ethical boundaries that they felt were firmly violated by the political pressure on them. and yet These are the people that approved that, you know, gave gave the EUA and the consequent liability shield to the Pfizer vaccine on a test negative clinical trial design where everyone was equally sick and the vaccine did nothing to protect against sickness, but it gave them a negative test. Like so all these all these things that I think are scammy.

They clearly were not sitting there like, let's scam the public. Like, you know, they thought it was rational. They didn't see past how, you know. They didn't s like see past their data model. Um, and they obviously had serious ethical issues where their their, you know, their sense was violated when when they resigned, right? So

I think I think people are very complex and they're, you know, differently attuned to the problems with data and they they come at the world thinking from different perspectives. And some of them are malicious, most of them are not. Um that that's how I see it. What's that called? It's called cognitive capture, I think. Like if you're part of some

industry or something, you're eventually going to have to l loosen up your morals to be part of something like like I don't think you can be a very moral person and be like in the CIA. And in fact they probably select you to not be in the CIA if you were a humanist or something like that. I I I didn't know about that term, but it makes sense. And it reminds me of uh one time Noam Chomsky who

who kinda went crazy with the COVID vaccine, but had been a very uh firm proponent of freedom of speech and so on before that. He he uh was asked one time what he would do as president. And he said the the first thing that I would do is have myself arrested. And his point was that you can't really be the president of the US and not be involved in things that he would consider war crimes. Um

His point was that the institutions are are kind of overpowering of the individuals in a similar way as as you had just described. But I don't know. I I think the CIA have you ever seen the show Scandal? I have not. So the show Scandal is uh it's made by Shonda Rhymes, who also she made Gray's Anatomy and How to get away with murder. And I think the CIA looks somewhat like Scandal. So scan the premise of Scandal is that there's the CIA and then there's this guy who runs this.

cell within the CIA called B613 that its budget is designed so that it has no on-paper budget, but there's somehow there's money money that's like funneled into it. And the people who run the CIA don't know about it. And I think it's I think that's a underestimation of how it probably works. It's probably multiple cells like that. who don't know about each other or who do know about each other and no then then there's like the people who run the CIA are probably not

running the CIA. Well there's a there's a book by uh Fletcher Proudy called The Secret Team and he basically talks about the compartmentalization of the CIA being a key aspect of it, I think in the um when was the CIA made it? Nineteen nineteen forty seven, I think.

And he said two agents would be working with each other but have no clue who each other was. And they'd be reporting to the same person, but they they wouldn't know. So and they also said that they set up a a mesh grid network in in different institutions. And so say that they'd have somebody get hired by, I don't know, the head of the CI CDC or something, and that and they'd tell the director, this guy is a CIA agent.

then the director would leave, they get a new director, and then the new director wouldn't know that guy was a CIA agent. And so they they did that aga uh across, I guess, everything. So they had a a mesh network of just CIA agents and I'm sure it's way more advanced now, but that's a long time ago. I believe they testified to some degree about the principle in the in the church committee hearings in the seventies.

Because the that's where the phrase plausible deniability comes from, which which was you design it so that. I'm giving orders that I don't know are being carried out and I didn't know that I gave them. Yeah, that i in uh Douglas Valentine's book, he he he is The CIA as organized crime, he says the CIA will never engage in anything that they don't have plausible deniability. He said that was really important for them.

Um Yeah, I mean I can't believe we've been talking for um uh basically an hour. I can't even believe this. Um so one, do you have to go? No, I got some time. Okay. Cause we do have questions. I could continue talking to you about this, uh to be honest with you. Maybe we'll have to have a do a part two at some point. Um Well uh maybe people I think would want us to talk about Ray Pete. So what uh

I mean we talked about him a little bit earlier. What I mean what d you any thoughts on him passing away? Has he affected your point of view? You're a very smart guy. You have your own uh view of health and things like that, but did he affect you in any shape or form? Uh I always found um Ray Pete to be

an interesting source of alternative ideas. And he's definitely shaped my thoughts on some things. I mean, I I never quite wholesale adopted his thoughts on any particular topic, but he he was always thought-provoking with his work in a way that would make me research that topic. Probably the best example would be on the essential fatty acids. So I, you know, he motivated me to go back and read the original research.

On the essential fatty acids and His position basically c there were some Uh there was one place at least where he said Maybe the essential fatty acids are essential, but if they are, it's at like point oh one something percent of the diet. Yeah. Um and I I came away with the belief.

that it's unambiguous that the essential fatty acids are essential, but if they're supplied with with liver, so that you have preformed arachidonic acid and you also have by vitamin B six and and uh biotin and other factors that are are needed in their metabolism, that it is about point one two percent of the diet that you would that you would want as puops. So I, you know, I came away with it, uh, away from it.

believing that what's in the mainstream textbooks about needing gram quantities of linoleic acid is complete BS. Um, and so I'm probably closer, especially on a practical dietary view. to to where rapeat is than to where the textbooks are. Although I do believe that a lot of people have inadequate arachidonic acid activity as a result of

various things that interfere with its utilization. So I think arachidonic acid is very important for preventing food intolerances and uh preventing chronic low-grade inflammation. A lot of people who are using fish oil to antagonize it or NSAIDs to antagonize it. I guess another area where I might be somewhat sort of peatish is that I do think aspirin is uniquely

more safe than all the other NSAIDs. Although I'm not really like a everyone should take aspirin person at all. And I do I do worry about some of the effects of aspirin, but it's just from a from the perspective of proper utilization of uh arachidonic acid and DHA, which I do think are essential, um, or aspirin is less harmful than than the other NSAIDs are. But, you know, so I and then I guess um

I don't know. On carbon dioxide, I I I don't know I'm that I'm exactly where Pete is, but I I think it was his influence that originally got me to think more about carbon dioxide and the impact of diet on it. And um I in fact I u I used to uh I used to teach classes at Brooklyn College where I would where I would use um diet's impact on carbon dioxide as a as a central organizing principle for some of the lectures.

really relating to to biochemistry, um, although you know I'm not I'm probably not as enamored with CO two as Many of the people who are asking questions that I saw. You're not sitting in a bag of CO two right now, Chris. No. Um, no, but um No, I I I guess my my criticism of Pete's work would be that I think he tends to think in black or at least speak in black and white terms.

And I think there's a lot of I'm the nuance guy. And so I I think the reason Pete liked my work is because some of the things that the mainstream demonizes, I, because I'm the nuanced guy, say, Hey, wait, you can't demonize cholesterol or something like that. And so the people who like cholesterol get on board with me, you know, whereas I'm coming from a less from a cholesterol's the good guy, estrogen's the bad guy p uh perspective.

And more of a, you know, you really shouldn't demonize molecules. They're just molecules. That's like that's I'm more from that perspective. And so I think I think um Or you know, I I like As an example, I often got the impression from reading Pete that he believed the optimal am amount of stress would be zero if you could somehow get there. And I think that's just obviously not true. I don't know that he ever said that, but it's just the way he talked.

about stress gives you the impression that he assumes that underneath what he's saying. I I I'd push back on that a little bit. Like uh even Han Selyer he he he said The only people that are free from stress are dead. And there it was never the point to try to mitigate all like he he said y anticipating a loved one getting home could be stressful. And and so I think as f Who said that? Celier or uh Yeah, in in in stress w without distress. But um

I think pizza idea was that like you and I couldn't escape stress if we s if we tried. You know, like we're we're talking right now being irradiated by cell phone towers and I'm in a EMF hell. In this little box. And that's a type of stress on ourselves or the things that happen to us on youth or school experience or family experiences or eating po I can't believe it's not butter growing up. Like it's impossible to escape the clutches of stress.

And so I d as far as I could tell, that was never the goal to like live in a bubble or something like that. No, I'm not saying that that Pete ever suggested that the optimal amount of stress was zero. It just the way that he speaks, I think some perhaps gives the impression that that he is making black and white good bad comparisons perhaps even more than he believes. And it's it's

It comes across to me as if he never said that. He certainly never said that. But you know, he he's made statements like,

The reason we use coconut oil is because it's not possible to find something that that has less essential fatty acids in it than that doesn't have some other problem with it. Right. Like so he It it does it does feel like, yes, he acknowledges that there's no way to have no estrogen, but it but he you get sometimes I get the sense that he's Saying, like, okay, I concede that I can't have zero S train, but here's how I could get.

As close as possible. Um you're way more uh, you know, I I I haven't been anywhere near as deep in in his work than than you are. So I I will defer to you for any um nuances on his work. I'm but I'm just saying like if I had a place to disagree with him, it would probably be on I would I would probably want to add a lot more nuance to certain topics as I see them in those areas. I feel you. I feel um one thing on so I I was I can't remember when I was talking to him, but

So again, yeah I this might be an answer that's forty five minutes, but the DHE or arachnonic acid, but more specifically DHA, because that's a precursor to lipid peroxidation or it's a it's a from what I understand, a big promoter of it. What wouldn't that mean? Like there had to be some, if they were essential, they had to be some level of like desirable lipid peroxidation in the body. Like and wouldn't that wouldn't nobody agree that that would be a good thing?

I don't know that I caught that. Wouldn't nobody agree that there is some minimal amount of peroxidation that you want under what circumstances? Okay, so is lipid peroxidation, that's a bad thing, right? It harms mitochondria. It's damaging to self. I I think, you know, I think that like technically you have uh peroxides formed enzymatically in the enzymatic reactions uh that you would separate from

unc uncontrolled lipid peroxidation. I mean usually usually when someone refers to lipid peroxidation They're talking about l random spontaneous lipid peroxidation of the cell membrane that has a has the possibility of a lipid peroxidation chain reaction, which would destroy the cell membrane. Um and they're not talking about like liter what might literally be peroxides formed enzymatically in a pathway when they say that. It's sort of like the way when people talk about ketones.

They're not talking about fructose, even though fructose is a ketone, and they are talking about um beta hydroxybutyrate, even though beta hydroxybutyrate is not a ketone. Alcohol. Oh okay. So so I guess I was talking with him and I was like, Ray, isn't isn't the fact that they're harmful, like they're a precursor to this harmful event, like wouldn't that mean that it was just uh

Not really a like a necessary thing in a cell. Again, I know I'm looking at this very simplistically, but he was like, Yeah, that's why I think they're not essential, because they're the precursors to lipid peroxidation. Or a cell can't be so susceptible to lipid peroxidation when when DHA isn't around.

Well, I will say that It's very hard to produce a deficiency of DHA without feeding excess linoleate, but I think the science is pretty clear that what happens in a in what is considered a DHA deficiency is a deficiency of DHA. Um, so if you go back to uh the original experiments of Burr and Burr. Those showed that there was a clinical deficiency syndrome that occurred in the absence of any omega-6 fatty acids. And that omega-3 could mitigate some of the symptoms, but it made others worse. And

For decades after that, no no one thought that omega-3s were essential. And uh, whenever someone talked about essential fatty acids, they meant omega-6.

And that changed in the seventies, I believe it was, when there was a girl with well, what happened was Ralph Holman, who was the graduate student of Burr, had Uh, he's the guy who got the army to start including spam uh in their army diets, and he also got the FDA to approve the addition of fat to total parental nutrition or TPN, which is intravenous food. The reason that originally TPN didn't have any fat was that they did experiments with dogs and it gave them fatty liver.

When so they didn't they didn't the reason it gave the dogs fatty liver is because there was no choline in it and you need choline to export fat from the liver and they didn't figure it that out until like fifty years later. So they have no fat. Then it turns out that people on TPN get eczema. And so Ralph Holman petitions the FDA and he's like, these people are getting eczema because they have no fat in the TPN. So they add fat.

And so they add they had two different fats. One was uh soybean oil, which has a reasonable balance of omega-6 and omega-3, and the other was safflower oil. Safflower oil had an omega-6 to three ratio of 140 to one, so it basically had no no the tr you know completely trivial amount of of um of d uh omega-three and so on the tpn the only fatty acids are are the lin linoleic acid and and linolenic acid

And there's no arachidonic acid, no DHA. And so any any DHA would be formed from enzymatic conversion of alpha linolenic acid into DHA. And so what happens if if that if If you have the preform fatty acids in the diet, it doesn't really matter because they're they can just get incorporated without any of the enzymatic conversion. But if those are your only fatty acids, then you have to do the enzymatic conversion.

And then all of a sudden the ratio becomes very relevant because they use the same enzyme. So if you have 140 times more omega-6 than three, then all the omega-6 gonna s gonna um go through that pathway and crowd crowd out the little omega-3. And so what happened was uh she started seeing double and had all kinds of neurological problems when she was on the safflower oil diet. They switched her back to the soybean oil and it went away.

And that was the the initiating event into research on the role of DHA in the nervous system and subsequent experiments with monkeys. showed that you could reproduce some of these neurological problems, especially problems with visual acuity and mental processing.

by depleting their brain DHA. And the way that you have to deplete their brain DHA that much is to feed lenoleic acid. Um, but what happens is uh the basically the the brain becomes dominated by an abnormal omega-6 fatty acid of twenty-two carbons that's not usually present in place of the DHA.

And I think it would be very hard to to blame this on lipid peroxidation from the linoleate because you are getting highly polyunsaturated twenty-two carbon fatty acids filling up the exact same volume in the brain. It's just that you are not getting any DHA. Um and then of course there's numerous cellular experiments and other things used to try to explain that. But the the the end result is that you can produce a very specific neurological syndrome from DHA deficiency.

that you can't get if you just feed linoleate. Like if if um you have to feed linoleate in conjunction with a very low omega-3 intake, zero preform DHA. during a certain window of life where the diet highly enriches the brain in order to get that. So I think it's I think it's very clear that it's not a nonspecific result of linoleate feeding. If you feed a lot of linoleate in a way that doesn't deplete the brain DHA, you're gonna have a bunch of problems, but you're not gonna get the specific

Results that you get from a DHA deficiency. The other thing you have to keep in mind is that. If you look at how tightly the fatty acids are regulated, the brain regulates their concentration extremely tightly, way tighter than any other tissue does. Right. And so

You're not proving anything, but as a as a jet in general as detective work, if something is very tightly regulated, you assume there's a reason for it. Right. And so It is it is rational to look at that and say if the brain No matter what you eat.

Will put X amount of DHA, practically no EPA, practically no alpha inolinate, practically none of this other stuff, just a lot of arachidonic acid and a lot of DHA. That look like there's something very important about those two fatty acids being present in the brain.

And the fact that it is extremely hard to produce a deficiency of DHA in the brain means two things. On a practical level, you're probably not going to get one. But, you know, on a on a on a on an academic level, um it It's hard to argue that there's not some reason for it when you really have to try so hard to try to override the brain's natural regulation to make it be there.

Yeah, fair enough. I I've always thought this was like an academic argument, you know. I I uh it's like I mean, if you eat an egg or you eat oysters are gonna get some level of these. And so I I really always left that stuff up to Ray. I never got too deeply into it. I remember you sent me per uh precious yet perilous like ten years ago. And you're like, Danny, you really should read this.

I I do I do think it has practical aspects because there are there are conditions where you could have depletion of DHA for other reasons. And um, you know, as an example

You were talking about lipid peroxidation. So one of the things that lipid peroxidation does is c create a lot of harmful stuff, but another thing it does is deplete those fatty acids in in the brain. So I I do think it's plausible that there are uh people who who uh have neurological problems because of the lipid peroxidation in the brain. And that part of the results, part of the causation is a depletion of brain DHA. Um, and I I also think that just in general, people are relatively

suboptimal in DHA in the modern context because the omega six to omega three ratios are so so thrown off. So I think people that don't eat any seafood and whose only eggs are, you know, commercial eggs. And who are otherwise vegetable oils. Ten dollar eggs. New York eggs. Ten dollar New York eggs. The inflation. I think the crap eggs are only like five bucks, but never mind. Keep going, sorry. Bad joke. Um uh

Uh yeah, I mean I I think I said most of it. So like I do th I do think that that in general because Well look, some people love seafood and well, I'm not talking about those people, but people who zero f seafood and who um you know who but a lot of people don't eat a lot of eggs anyway. Um, you know, some people just don't eat eggs much, some people don't eat eggs that often, and and most people eat eggs that don't have much omega three.

And people are eating a lot of of omega-6 laid in vegetable oil. And so I do think that there's there's probably a general suboptimal DHA level in in people's membranes. Um and Yeah, I mean I I'm like Pete probably wouldn't have agreed with that and you know but I think most people would b there's a lot of other reasons why it would be good for people to eat pastured eggs and to include some seafood in their diet. And I, you know, it if you acknowledge that point, it becomes academic, but

But that is a practical point. Like some people don't eat seafood or eggs. Mm-hmm. You know. I feel you, I feel. Um and I could talk more about this. Um, why don't we the last thing uh we're going like one the last seven minutes or so. Wha w what do you think? I mean, uh go going back to the covet vaccine stuff.

Do you think this is over? Do you do you see stuff on the horizon? I I was making a joke about the inflation. Somebody made a TikTok video about the food inflation in New York and it was astronomical, was absolutely insane. It was like ten dollar like shitty eggs. It was like$14.99 Jimmy Dean sa sausages. It was r racist cups uh for like eight dollars or something. And so it seems like

what started as infl overprinting money for handouts and things and th the the virus has now morphed into i i cr crazy inflation and a looming uh financial system shift over. So Um how do you tie that to the vaccine? Say it again. How are you tying that to the vaccine? Well the um

Telling everybody to go home printing out uh printing money. Uh the well, the vaccine was a solution to the pandemic. I'm not saying the inflation is related to the vaccine per se, but it's all one big phenomenon of um I don't know. D w do you think uh oh Kri Kermson can um no not that. Uh catastrophic contagion. Have you heard about that?

No. That so that's a a new event two oh one that just happened with the CIA and Bill Gates and um this time they Wait, this was post COVID? Yeah, this happened in uh October or I'm sorry, maybe November twenty twenty two. So they just did like an another one and this new simulation was about uh s a virus that allegedly specifically targeted children.

So you can see how this would play out if if something happened like this. Uh I yeah, I think I I think I heard um some stuff about that, but I didn't follow up on it and I didn't know the name of it. Um

Yeah, I I think that uh I think they're gonna go back into hiding for for about ten years at least. And I do think there's a very deep uh relationship to the inflation. So first of all, I will say that my the price of my eggs didn't really change, although I uh I subscribed to a a farm CSA where uh with a regenerative farm upstate. Um, so I was actually paying a flat fee for all my food, but I think the inflation was higher uh in uh crap food.

compared to um like food from regenerative farms because of the lower fossil fuel and chemical fertilizer inputs. But anyway, um so yeah, I mean here's how I see it connected to the inflation. I am fifty-fifty tied between what I originally thought. Which is that the Federal Reserve is so scared of having let the inflation genie out of the bottle that they will accidentally completely undermine the entire global public health authoritarianism.

I'm tied 50-50 between that and what this fellow named Tom Luango believes, which is that Jerome Powell and Jamie Diamond and some of the other New York bank CEOs. Are fighting a war against the American Democrats, the World Economic Forum, the European Union, um.

And so on, and that and that they will deliberately uh undermine this whole thing. But regardless of which of those two things is true, I think one of them has to be true. And that's because Everything that they did in in twenty twenty was only able to be done in America because They paid everyone a 30% raise above their salary to stay home and do nothing. There's no way they could have gotten down, could have gotten away with locking down in the way that they did without that.

Also, when they introduced the vaccine mandates for the workers This was at a time where corporations were drowning in the crash in the cash that they had created. The Federal Reserve has been getting taking away that they've been monetarily tightening um all of last year, and that money is just. going away. Um, I think it's quite possible that

If no one stops him, that Powell is going to rewind monetary inflation at least back to 1987 and possibly back to 1971, we'll have to see how it goes. Um, but right now Uh all the big corporations that were the primary beneficiaries of that money are now starting major layoffs. And there's no way on earth. That they're gonna have the same tolerance for being told that they have to.

fire people irregardless of their skill and contribution to the company based on their vaccine status when they are now very worried about their bottom line. They had no worry about their bottom line because they were drowning in cash that had been created at that time. Most of the vaccine mandates are disappearing. They're being struck down in court. They're being withdrawn out of embarrassment. Um, you know, it's it's not

It's not universal across the world, but I think that the vaccine mandate bubble is popping in the same way that the stock market bubble is popping, same way that the Bitcoin bubble popped, et cetera. Um and I I think that the, you know, if there's a lot of people in the investment community who think that this is all coming to an end and the Fed's going to turn around.

I think both on a just a fundamental level, they can't because if you look at any time in history where we had the degree of inflation that we had. There was always a double peak of inflation after it. And I think they're hell bent on not repeating the same mistake in the 70s of thinking that it was over and then having it come back even worse after that. Um and If it's possible that they are playing some sort of 3D chess against

Gates and Klaus, then there's all the more reason to believe that they're not turning around any time soon. But I j I just think even if you just take the the the the um this this sort of like surface interpretation of what they say they're doing. I think they can't turn around soon. I think we're we're going to be in a very slow moving recession that's going to hit maximum pain at the end of next year.

Um, I think we're gonna be in a permanent not permanent. I think we're gonna be in a very long term place of Fiscal relative fiscal austerity compared to the last couple of years. I think politically, the fact that the Republicans took over the House. has already guaranteed that the Democrats are, you know, l Biden's the lame duck president that for the next two years. Um, the fact that the 20 MAGA fanatics um stood out approving the uh speaker.

They actually won some pretty serious concessions. So they need uh they need a like a three fifths vote for any tax increases, for example. Um, so I think there is And also if there's if I'm right that there's going to be a recession with Max Payne at the end of twenty twenty four that guarantees that that the Republican is going to win against Biden, um, because no no incumbent ever wins in a recession year.

So I think all things point towards a largely Fed imposed but also politically constrained period of at least six years of of relative fiscal austerity. Um, Europe is gonna try to hold out, but Europe is being forced into a problem where

They are strat they're they're basically on on the Fed has them on two legs trying trying to uh how do I do it? Trying to um, you know, like this, right? Where they're trying to straddle uh restricting their their money supply to keep up with the Fed so that the euro doesn't lose all its value rather relative to the dollar. But what happens when you contract money

is that the interest rate spreads between high risk and low risk credit blowout. So what that means is when money's gushing everywhere, you can give a loan to anyone. It doesn't matter. That's why we have like subprime housing crisis back in twenty two thousand eight and so on. But when money's not gushing anywhere, the people who lend it say, wait a second, are you going to pay me back?

And so if if Europe contracts money in the way that the US is contracting money, that means that they have to deal with the credit, the interest rates between high risk countries like Italy and low risk countries like Germany spreading apart. And so they're basically have, you know, two legs on either side of trying to stabilize the currency or trying to to keep the union European Union together.

So I think everything is just gonna fall like dominoes over the course of several several years into political austerity and there's gonna be a massive shift away from the You know, the the Canada uh CIA American Democratic Party in this current era. It's odd to put those two things like just straight up together, but that's not and so I I I think but anyway, I think I think we're we're I think we're in a period where there's just no money to fund

lockdowns, no money to fund vaccine mandates, no money to fund any of this, no money to fund Bill Gates's global police. So I think he's just And also I don't think Bill Gates was ever the most powerful person in the world. And I think he's he had his day in the sun. And now, you know, he's probably there as soon as he's not advantageous to the to the

greater centralization of world power, they're just gonna not really care about him and he's gonna be like pandemic number two. That's what's happening. And they're gonna be like, yeah, whatever. We're move we've moved on. Um and but you know, if you look at None of the stuff once I was like clued into what they were doing, none of it surprised me at all because I was paying attention back in two thousand eight.

When they started They under when Obama got elected in two thousand nine they started Militarizing all the federal agencies and the libertarians were the only ones paying attention to it. They were like, Why does the post office need tanks and whatever? This is a waste of money. Um, but if you drank raw milk in two thousand eight or nine.

You saw what happened when when the feds raided Rossom with their guns drawn and like willing ready to shoot people to confiscate all their raw milk and all this stuff. And, you know, Agenus Vanderplanets who who pioneered the um the cow share program, which became a legal success. He moved to Thailand believing that the government was the American government was out to kill him. And then he um, you know, almost died when his brakes were cut.

And then he did die after he leaned on a balcony at his apartment and it happened to be broken. And so he fell right then. Then he he played a role in his death by denying surgery at the hospital or whatever. But um, you know, they At that time, apart from like Raiding people's houses over their jelly not being approved, you know, with guns and military boots and camouflage pants and like locking down their house. with US public health service, apart from that stuff.

That was I was living in Massachusetts at that time and they passed force quarantining laws. And that was when VeraChip uh made uh the first implantable microchips for several purposes. in humans. One was one was GPS technology, one was carrier medical and dental records. But but swine flu, they really wanted swine flu to kill people and it was a dud. Um and Vera Chip had made a chip that could that where s the cops could scan you on the street.

and know whether you'd been vaccinated and whether you'd been infected. And they could use that as a basis to throw you in a quarantine camp. Um, you know, so what did they do when swine flu was a dud? They went back into hiding. They they were also doing the national animal identification system where they wanted every single farm animal in the country.

to have either an implantable or hang from their ear an RFID micro uh chip chip where they could trace them all. Like all these all these things just revealed what they were trying to do and then they rolled back and we didn't hear from again for 10 years. And I think they're gonna do the same thing. So we would be we would be very unwise if we don't use the ten years that we're gonna have to make sure this doesn't happen again and to run these people out of town.

You know, but I think we do have at least six, if not ten years of of time before we have some greater threat to our freedom coming. Much more optimistic than I am. That's uh that's good to hear. Okay, I Chris I can't. What? Okay, Chris, let everybody know how they can support you. So is Chris MasterJun PhD dot substack? Is that the ma major

Major subjects. Yeah, yeah. My main my main place is Substack. So Chris Master John PhD dot substack.com. That's where I put my newsletter and that's in the menu. You can find my ebooks and you can subscribe to my my uh membership program and get monthly Q and A's and uh and uh premium content and all that stuff. So everything through Subsec. Yeah. Yeah, like up in the menu there there's the ebooks and all that other stuff.

Dude, uh amazing. Hey, thank you so much for joining me today. I really apologize about the tech errors. It was super it was eleven years in the making. I really appreciate you, Chris. I I always appreciate your point of view and just uh

Really explaining things in uh a lot of detail. So I I'm honored to have you on. I really appreciate it. And we'll have to do a part two because we didn't get to any of these questions. All right. Sounds good, man. Okay, brother. Stay on the line and thank you so much.