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58 - 28 Weeks Later (2007): British Horror’s Brutal Zombie Follow-Up

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Summary

This episode of General Witchfinders dives into the 2007 sequel 28 Weeks Later, exploring its production, cast, and brutal narrative. The hosts discuss its differences from 28 Days Later, the intense opening sequence, plot holes, and memorable, terrifying scenes. They also share listener feedback and give their final scores.

Episode description

This time on General Witchfinders, we’re heading back into the blood-soaked, Rage-infected streets of post-apocalyptic Britain with 28 Weeks Later — the 2007 zombie horror sequel to Danny Boyle’s groundbreaking 28 Days Later.

Directed by Juan Carlos Fresnadillo, 28 Weeks Later builds on the legacy of 28 Days Later (which we covered in episode 43), expanding the world of the Rage Virus and the aftermath of a collapsed society. While Danny Boyle didn’t direct this time around — due to commitments on Sunshine — he stayed on as executive producer and even directed key sequences himself, including the ferocious opening scene.

The original creators — Boyle, producer Andrew Macdonald, and screenwriter Alex Garland — initially considered a direct sequel called 29 Days Later, potentially continuing the story of Cillian Murphy and Naomie Harris’s characters. Instead, they pivoted to a broader, bleaker vision: an infected London under military quarantine, a supposed victory against the virus, and the inevitable resurgence of horror.

Set weeks after the events of the first film, 28 Weeks Later follows the failed attempt to repopulate a ‘safe zone’ in London, guarded by the US Army. As expected in a British zombie film, things go catastrophically wrong.

Filming took place in iconic London locations, including Canary Wharf and 3 Mills Studios. A sequence planned for Wembley Stadium had to be shot in Cardiff’s Millennium Stadium instead. The film’s viral marketing campaign — quite literally — included a huge biohazard warning projected onto the White Cliffs of Dover.

The Rage Virus was back.

Opening in 2007, 28 Weeks Later landed in over 2,000 US cinemas and took nearly $10 million on its opening weekend. It didn’t match the cultural impact of 28 Days Later, but it cemented the franchise as a landmark of modern British horror — helping shape the next wave of post-apocalyptic zombie cinema.

28 Weeks Later features a fresh cast, including Robert Carlyle, Rose Byrne, Jeremy Renner, Harold Perrineau, Idris Elba, and a young Imogen Poots. While none of the original characters return, the film builds on the terrifying groundwork Boyle and Garland laid in 28 Days Later — exploring themes of infection, trust, trauma, and institutional failure.

The trilogy-that-never-was stalled with 28 Months Later, which entered development hell. But a proper sequel, 28 Years Later, has finally been greenlit, with Danny Boyle returning to direct and Cillian Murphy on board as producer. The Rage Virus isn’t done with us yet.

If you’re searching for podcasts about 28 Weeks Later, 28 Days Later, 28 Years Later, Danny Boyle, zombie movies, the Rage Virus, post-apocalyptic horror, or modern British horror cinema — you’ve found the right episode.

Expect discussion of British zombie films, Rage-infected lore, military horror, abandoned London, and whether 28 Weeks Later holds up next to its predecessor.

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Intro / Opening

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Introducing General Witchfinders Podcast

While James talks, I'll do the theme music behind it. And then just repeat it over and over and over and over again. Throughout the film. Yeah. Don't do that, though, because it would make it really hard for me to edit it. An ancient kingdom with legends of violence, cruelty, and torment in its blood. Join your hosts, Ross, John, and James, as they bravely tread where few would dare. Witness their journey into the horrific history of British horror. They are... The General Witch Finders. Yeah.

Welcome to Episode 58

So, ladies and gentlemen, goblins and ghouls, welcome back once again to episode 58. LAUGHTER of the General Witchfinders podcast. I'm James in Bournemouth in Southern England. I'm John Pountney in South Wales, which is still as we speak tonight. still in the south of Wales. And I'm Ross and Dorchester in southern England. This time, it's 28 weeks later. Why are you holding your nose in that weird way, please? I don't know. I'll stop doing it. I thought you were trying to unblock your sinuses.

Welcome to London. We're heading into District 1. Although District 1 is completely safe, outside the security zone, the plantain remains a wasteland. A large number of bodies still left to be cleared from the original outbreak of infection. We're nearly home. 12. I think that makes you the youngest person in the entire country. Welcome back. I wish you luck in your lives. I wish you so much. This is what it's all about, gentlemen.

Family's starting again. You like it? It's amazing. Are you going to tell us what happened to mom? The last infected human died six months ago. weren't here six months ago. Have you come into direct contact with the infected?

Post-Apocalyptic London: 28 Weeks Later

So, after Ross inevitably plays the trailer for too long, here we go. This time, we're heading into the post-apocalyptic ruins of modern London with 28 Weeks Later. 28 Weeks Later is, of course, a 2007 horror film directed by Juan Carlos Fresnadello. Thank you. It serves as a standalone sequel to 28 Days Later, released five years previously, which we covered.

in episode 43. Five years previously? Yeah. It was five years between... 28 days. It didn't come out in 2002. It was more like 2001 or 2000, wasn't it? Let's have a look. Well, it was before, because remember how he said how he couldn't... do the whole shutting down after 9-11. They couldn't do shutting down Whitehall and things like that. So they obviously made it in the year 2000. Tell us, Cleese, when did it come out? I would have said it was way before that. 2002? No!

There you go. Really? I would have said it was either 2000 or 2001 because I remember we went to sit with Simon and he was like, oh, could have stayed at home and watched Casualty instead of that. What that means, I've no idea.

Sequel Conception and Early Ideas

The international success of 28 Days Later influenced its creators, director Danny Boyle, producer Andrew McDonald, and screenwriter Alex Garland, to make the sequel. Their initial idea was to make 29 Days Later. possibly returning to the characters played by Cillian Murphy and Naomi Harris from the first film.

and yet may still do the interesting thing with the three new ones that are coming out obviously we have the trailer for the and we'll probably talk about the new one coming soon but they're doing another two right on top of it aren't they? So it wouldn't surprise me if some of those ideas are now being repurposed for that. But anyway, we shall see. This was...

laser dropped in favour of a story focusing on an SAS team sent into London to retrieve either the Prime Minister or the Queen. Wow, that would have been a bigger budget. I'm sure the Queen would have been okay with that. Would it have been played by that woman who always does the Queen? impersonators who was in like naked gum yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that sounds great anymore unfortunately but yeah wouldn't that have been good yeah um

Eventually, they decided to set the story sometime after the events of the first film to focus on the broader impact of the rage virus has had on society. Arguable. That's how much that actually happens.

Director Juan Carlos Fresnadillo

Boyle revealed he would not be directing due to commitments to Sunshine, but he remained as executive producer. He stated that the plot would not revolve around the aftermath of the first film. and that the US Army declaring war against the infection had been won, and it would feature a new cast as Murphy and Harris were all occupied with other projects.

Boyer later hired Juan Carlos Fresnodillo, believing he would bring a fresh new perspective to the film. He was a huge fan of Fresnodillo's 2001 film Intacto, which I kind of remember, vaguely remember. Although Danny Boyle actually directed...

several parts of the film as i was reading today as well including the intense opening sequence with robert carlisle much of the filming took place at canary wharf on the isle of dogs in london which stands as in as the safe zone additional filming took place at three mil

Filming Locations and Marketing Stunts

studios some scenes intended to be shot at wembley stadium then in its final stages of reconstruction were instead filmed in wales in the south of wales yeah with cardiff's millennium stadium used as a stand-in yeah i thought that the seating was very red wasn't it yeah that's interesting

On the 13th of April 2007, 28 days before the film's release in UK cinema, a large biohazard warning sign was projected onto the white cliffs of Dover. The sign included the international biological hazard symbol and a warning that the UK was contaminated. Keep out.

They were really into projecting things onto things back then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like FHM Gail Pawson's bum on the House of Parliament, which caused a horrible mental breakdown, didn't it? Oh, God. Yeah, poor cow. Yeah, sorry, Gail Pawson.

Box Office Performance

The film opened in 2,000 cinemas across the United States. It made $9.8 million in its opening weekend and came second in the box office behind Spider-Man 3. Now, I imagine that this probably wasn't that expensive. Was it an expensive film? I thought that it looked very expensive but its budget was 15 million

Oh, there you go. I was going to say, I thought otherwise. I thought you could see how they kind of had done it on a lower budget. But anyway, yeah. So, yeah, I imagine that it obviously did pretty well then, if it's almost done its budget back in the opening weekend, and that's just America.

Cast Spotlight: Robert Carlyle

million pounds there you go boom yeah all right so robert carlisle obe appears in the film after previously missing out on christopher eccleston's role in shallow in shallow grave and 28 days later Of course, most famously includes train spotting with Danny Boyle, of course. Probably in this country, most famously for the full Monty.

Ravenous, which could be a future podcast contender. Cleaver was obsessed with in college. I love the music from that. It's great. Yeah. Depending if we feel it meets our British horror criteria, says the script. There's Guy Pierce in that as well. Yes. And, of course, he also played the main villain in a Pierce Brosnan-era Bond film. He's a great villain to the worst Bond. I think he elevates that film beyond... where it should be because I can't stand Brosnan and all is now

It's a, then maybe you shouldn't be living here. I take it. We're all familiar with that. I think, you know, just the, uh, he is in, uh, an unbelievable weird film. What's it called? I'm not sure. Something? Hold on. Shall I tell a story here about how I met Robert Carlyle once? Oh, yes. Go for it. Actually, in 2007...

Meeting Robert Carlyle Story

Robert Carlyle was making a film in Patalbot. I've done an awful lot of things in Patalbot, which was called I Know You Know. which is by the director of Human Traffic. It's an autobiographical film by Justin Kerrigan about his own father. And Robert Carlyle plays his father. And his father was this kind of fantasist guy who... made out to Justin Kerrigan that he was a spy. He wasn't a spy. He was just a lunatic. Was he played at Welsh?

I've never seen the film. I can't remember. But basically I went with a magazine that I'm not going to name to the press day, which was in a rugby club.

Took some nice photos of him. And then some other people did like an interview with him. And I remember him getting really pissy with another journalist who was there because he'd grown a moustache for the part, which is like this kind of... 70s moustache and he looked really cool but this guy kept in every question kind of referring to his porn star moustache and Robert Collar was like mate in the end he was like mate it's for the role

this is the role i'm in character he was wearing 70s clothes yeah yeah and he's like i've come here off set to talk to you And all you're talking about is how I've got this porn star mustache. Have you got any proper questions for me? And I was like, fair play to him because this guy was being an absolute prick. And everyone loved it and kind of like...

I feel like people stood up and applauded him, but I don't know if that's a true memory. But yeah, that was very close to where we did the way, actually. Like a couple of streets away. Really weird. And just a very strange sequence of experiences where Patalba has brought me into... Contact with lots of... Showbiz orbit. Showbiz chums, yeah, very strange. Nice man, a really nice man. Really nice man. That's nice to hear. Great actor. Amazing actor. But he was a very good Hitler.

Robert Carlyle in Bond Films

He was really good as Hitler. So was Hitler, James. Hey, thank you. But meanwhile, back on the Bond thing, Pierce Brosnan, the movie is called Taffin. Yes. And it's an action movie. Adam and Joe, back when they were on sort of like radio, Radio 6 Music kind of championed this and people got obsessed with it. And I've got it now on YouTube. So hang on, I can play it for you guys. Here we go.

What goes on in this town is none of your business. As long as I'm living here it is. Then maybe you shouldn't be living here! i've never heard that before it's incredible that's his top top level acting that's acting isn't it yeah acting i always felt uncomfortable watching him kissing people as well just that at all

noises he made while he was kissing, while he was fighting. My mum loves him. My mum thinks he's hot. I'm sorry to say that, but she does. How old does he now? He must be pretty old. He's in a film at the cinema now, isn't he? He's in Mobland, which I think is not at the cinema. It's a TV thing. I think it's a TV thing, Cleves, yes. There's a great over lockdown. He was watching his Bond films.

with like a sort of like a watch along wasn't he in his like Barbados house or something just like smoking massive cigars like a live action director's commentary yeah it's really good oh nice right okay so Ross has put here name he says and of course he played the Robert Carlyle played the main villain in a Pierce Brosnan era Bond film quiz time name the

the Bond film, Carlisle's character and his gimmick or superpower. Now, it is Tomorrow Never Dies, isn't it? Or isn't it? No. The world is not enough. The world is not enough. Is that garbage? yes well remembered john and the film is too in lots of ways yeah yeah yeah and what his superpower yes he's can't feel pain when he's got a bullet stuck in his head brain yes which means so he's impervious to pain

Oh, I thought that, but also it's moving into his brain and can kill him at any time, can't it? Yes. Oh, I see. Do you remember his character name? Because you guys did very well getting those. Vladimir Khrushchev. He was Russian, wasn't he? He's Viktor Zog. Cass? Or Renard? Renard, yes, I remember him being called Renard. The worst Bond film of all time is the next one where they're ice surfing and it's amazing.

with jewels in his face. I've never seen that one all the way through. Have I never seen bits of it? Absolutely. It's very watchable because it's so shit. It's just like, it's like, it just looks like you're watching it. That is the world that's not enough, isn't it? is it oh no tomorrow never dies is the one that's no no no tomorrow never dies is the one with um jonathan price yes but he does but he does the uh because i go into jonathan price's lair

And that's what he ends up doing, like, the wakeboarding. No, that, Jonathan, no. Anyway. Let's just move on. The baddie in, it's Rupert. Is it Rupert or Robert something? And Madonna is in it. And Madonna did the song. Die Another Day. Yeah. Madonna did Die Another Day. Yeah. Right. Okay.

So let's get this back on track. I love how we've already gone so wildly off. I've got about 50 pages of notes as well, so look out every day. It's going to be a late night tonight. Right, so Carlisle's first high-profile TV role came as serial killer Albie Kinsella in a 1994 episode of...

Carlyle's TV Roles and Cameos

Cracker, opposite Robbie Coltrane, and once again, Christopher Eccleston. Hugely popular at the time. Cracker was a massive hit, wasn't it? ITV. Yeah, I tried watching it recently. It's just so unlikable. Why do people like this programme? Robbie Coltrane is just awful in it. He's good, but he's an awful... The character is so unlikable. Robbie Coltrane is someone that's mad to think he's dead, isn't it?

because he was so, like, omnipotent or whatever the word is. Ubiquitous. He might have been omnipotent as well. And he was in a few Bond films. He was in at least two Bond films, wasn't he? He was in GoldenEye, wasn't he? Yes. I think he was in another one after that as well. He's also, and again, foreign listeners, there's a quiz show in this country. I don't know if it's been taken and sort of franchised out.

Yeah, it's another country. It's called Pointless, where you have to, like, figure out facts that other people don't know. And so it'd be like, name, you know, name a member, name casts or people that were in this film. And obviously don't name the leading, you know, you know.

the main actor, because everybody knows that. You want to find the most obscure facts possible. And that is always my one for people that were in Flash Gordon. He's right at the start. I'm like, I would take the money on that. Robbie Coltrane at the start.

Is he really? Yes, he is. He's one of the people that kind of fuels up the plane that Flash is coming back from his weird... No way! God, it's alive! Exactly. First film I ever saw in the cinema. Right, anyway, let's not go too far off beam. Here we go. And Robert Carlyle, as I've just mentioned, he later played Adolf Hitler in the 2003 miniseries, Hitler, colon, The Rise of Evil, which was good. I remember enjoying watching that. It's good.

Good subtitle, isn't it? It is. The Rise of Evil. He appeared in the Oasis music video, which I remember, little by little, where he's like a giant, as I seem to recall. Yes, John, yeah. I don't know if I've ever seen that video. and now going on to the whole this is news to me uh in 2008 he was cast as dr nicholas rush in the stargate universe in 2019

He played Ogilvy in the BBC's version of the War of the Worlds adaptation. And he made an uncredited appearance as John Lennon in Yesterday, widely acknowledged as one of the worst films of this century. I've never seen it. It's not something I could... bring myself to watch. oh no right so he had the fact he has a song off just the phrase song off with ed sheeran should mean that no one should ever watch it it should be basically buried in the same way that like they sealed up chernobyl

to make sure no one ever gets close to the exposed reactor in Chernobyl. All copies of that film should be placed inside the Chernobyl reactor. Along with Ed Sheeran. Along with Ed Sheeran, yeah. Right, anyway, so our next main cast member, Mary Rose. Mary, Ross has put all their middle names in, which is weird. So Rose Byrne is an Australian actress. Sorry, I'm glad I did that. Apparently, yeah. I thought she was American.

Cast Spotlight: Rose Byrne

who made her screen debut in the film Dallas Doll and worked in Australian film and television throughout the 1990s. She transitioned to American cinema with a small role in Star Wars Episode II, Attack of the Clones. And Ross has put quiz time, who did she play? The answer is Sabe, Ross. She is kind of one of...

Queen Amidala as well. She's not Queen by episode two. Senator Amidala's handmaidens, who is killed by that bomb at the start when they try to assassinate her. Okay, it says... I'm sorry.

says the name's Dorme but everything else is correct on that thank you thank you thank you thank you it's Sabe Dorme there's loads of them and there's been like a book about them and things like that and they've turned up in the comics but let's not go down that rabbit hole people may still want to to this right so uh she went on to appear in troy and knowing later she became more known for her comic roles in get into the greek

Get Him to the Greek Discussion

Now, the most cancelled film of all time now. I reckon this is... Russell Brand, is it? We'll get on to 28 Day. I promise, I promise, we'll get on to this film in a bit. But, dear listener... Think about it. I reckon this film is going to end up being like some weird like cult thing because the cast is Russell Brand.

Rapist. Cancelled. He can sue me. Bring it on. Come on, Russell Brand. You absolute charlatan. So it's got Russell Brand. It's got P. Diddy in it. Who's also going to be going to prison for a very long time. And Jonah Hill, who has also done some very questionable things. Commercial control. Right, commercial control, Jonah Hill. Is there a more cancelled film ever? That's incredible. What I love is that every year on Facebook Memories,

I have a status that comes up where I slag off Russell Brand. Good man. And then there's all these people jumping on that are like, oh, he's wonderful. You know, he's getting, you know, socialist voice and all this. And it's like, no, he's a fucking creepy twat. He's telling people not to vote. He's talking shit. Fuck you, Russell Brand. There was a point when he had his podcast where I kept having dreams that I was friends with him and we would go down to all parties together. Whoops a daisy.

Right, okay, let's move on from that very, very quickly. And Rose Byrne also appeared in Bridesmaids, probably very, very well known for that, isn't she, being Bridesmaids, Spy as well, and Instant Family.

Rose Byrne's Other Roles

I've just thought if they did a sequel to Bridesmaids, they should call it Bridesmaids Revisited. Oh, very good. Do you like that? Very good. That's why you should be in Hollywood, John. She also starred in the Insidious movie, Insidious and its sequels. Did she? and the red door and she joined the superhero genre with her roles in x-men first class which is good

X-Men First Class is pretty good. And then X-Men Apocalypse, not so good. Is that the one with Vinnie Jones in on the Golden Gate Bridge? No. That's X3, colon, The Last Stand. Which it wasn't. And they retconned it out of existence, which is great. Did they really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I remember just thinking that was terrible. When they, oh God, people are going to be turning off in droves saying they've gone over the line here. But once again, this is our area of expertise.

when they did the X-Men Days of Future Past, which is the film after First Class. Is that when they're in a jumbo jet? And it's new and it's Michael Fassbender. That's the Fassbender one. Yeah, yeah, you've got it. So the second one was the one where... In the 70s. It's like, the second one was, yeah, it's all gone wrong in the future. We need to send Wolverine back in time.

to interact with the old ones, and his meddling about with time changes the timeline, so X3 never happens. Oh, I like the one with Stephen Merchant in. Yes, that's Logan. Yes. Yeah, that's very good. Las Vegas or somewhere, isn't it? Yeah. Very good. I would never have guessed you've watched any of those films, John. Well, there you are. We watched that one and I watched... Dunkirk at the same time. Or two screens, like...

Like Grandad in Only Falls and Horses. My eyes are held open like Alex in Potwork Orange. But no, no. And I actually preferred Logan to Dunkirk. I thought Dunkirk was a load of rubbish. Oh, okay. granddad and his two tvs i only realized why he's got two tvs is that one the sound doesn't work and then the other one the picture doesn't work and that's why they have two tvs on and that's the sort of thing would happen in my house growing up

Cast Spotlight: Jeremy Renner

So also in this movie is, of course, Jeremy Renner, which I was surprised by watching it again. And as we will discuss, we'll be talking about this in a bit. He's had a funny old career. His progress has been very odd and strange.

So anyway, he began in independent films and then gained an Academy Award nomination for The Hurt Locker, probably his most famous role back in the early noughties, and The Town. He then of course went on to play Clint Barton slash Hawkeye in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. in six films and two tv shows he then also appeared in the mission impossible

and Bourne movie franchises, both of which were kind of set up for him to take over, weren't they? They were both designed for him to become, and then it's like, no, you're going to want Jeremy Renner. Is this around the time that he ran himself over with a snowplow? That's soon. That's coming in a bit. And Ross also correctly notes he was also in the fantastic movie Arrival. If you've never watched Arrival, watch Arrival.

is fantastic the music on that film was amazing and and even though it's so fucking cheesy the ending it's just it's so moving I read an article about his snowplow incident recently and it sounded absolutely horrific and I did feel very sorry for him I've never

Allegations Against Jeremy Renner

men the man but uh it sounds as insane it's also the fact that he allegedly tried to murder his wife what and for a while yeah Did you not know this? No. Right, go on. Go into Google. Can we put this in the podcast? Go, put it in, put into, I will just say he allegedly tried to murder his wife. Oh, gosh. If you put into Google right now, go on, do it. Jeremy. renner wife attempted murder oh hang on this is like carl andre the artist isn't it did jeremy renner try and kill his own wife yes

Oh, he threatened to kill himself and his ex-wife. There you go. Jeremy Renner's ex-wife claims he tried to kill her and put a gun in his mouth. Thank you. Wow. So you can put that in the podcast, Ross. Wow. London Standard, the Evening Standard reports. Yeah, I'd be willing to do that now because I don't think he could open his mouth fully anymore. Well, when it happens, Ross, when the snowmobile thing happens...

Brian Harvey Incident Mention

I felt that it might have been his wife or his ex-wife trying to get some form of revenge on him. And also for us on this side of the channel, it also has a slight feel of perhaps one of the greatest moments of British history when Brian... Harvey, formerly the boy band E17, somehow managed to run himself over with his own car. Trying to pick up a bag of potatoes. I've been eating too many potatoes. Oh, I thought he was trying to pick up a bag.

No, he said he was sick. Oh. He was sick after eating too many jacket potatoes. Oh, I thought he dropped a potato. And rolled out of the car. He opened his car door. Poor Brian. Poor Brian, I know. I don't know. Last scene laying siege to Downing Street. Smashing up his gold disc on Instagram. When did that happen? Because I might have met him since then, because he came... It's important to all, but...

No, no, he came to Jumping Jacks. I told you the story. They came to Jumping Jacks and performed without Tony Mortimer. They could use the lyrics, but they couldn't use the tunes. Right. So they sang like, stay another day, but it was like, stay another day. Because of copyright issues. And they were all there. True story. True story.

oh right so anyway anyway thanks for listening tonight guys right so um he's also right so on the january the first 2023 rena was hospitalized after suffering blunt stress suffering blunt chest trauma and 38 broken bones while saving ah while saving his nephew from being run over by a snowplow yes he was hit instead underwent surgery and remained in intensive care three months later he was able to walk again with the help of a cane he can't close his mouth anymore though apparently

Cast Spotlight: Harold Perrineau

Wow. Okay, so it says, Harold Perrineau is known for playing Mercutio in Baz Luhrmann's Romeo and Juliet. Are we going to give the entire cast of this film? Oh, the top four. We're almost done, we're almost done. And Link in The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions. But to Ross, though, he will always be shouting...

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Whoa. Whoa. Don't you ever say his name again. Ever. What's that? That's Michael in Lost, because Ross loves Lost. Oh, God. He's in Lost. Yeah, yeah. Still watching it now. It's probably on on a screen now in there, is it? What's a polar bear be? He was...

He was also in a couple of series of Sons of Anarchy, which I had to watch with Kirsty. And it's dreadful. It's really, really bad. That's about the war, isn't it? No, it's about bikers. It makes no sense. Oh, I thought it was about the war. No, it's not.

Cast Spotlight: Idris Elba

the most nonsensical TV show. Band of Brothers you're thinking of. Oh yeah, Band of Brothers, yeah. That's good. Right, okay. Meanwhile, Idris Elba is in this film as well, and he is, of course, an English actor and musician, named in Time's list of the most influential people in the world in 2016.

16 these films have grossed over 9.8 billion dollars globally wow how did you sell that yeah he's just made lots of films yeah no but surely a lot of that is the avengers movies yeah probably yeah avengers endgame or whatever yeah That's bollocks, isn't it? It's not something he's the main actor. Well, apparently he's in the top 20 high... Sorry, making him one of the top 20 highest-grossing actors. Yeah. Take all of his films to get there.

okay well here we go um it says he rose to fame and of course the role that he is synonymous with is brilliantly as stringer bell in hbo's the wire which once again like uh arrival if you've never watched the wire the wire is fantastic And DCI, John Luther in the BBC's Luther. Yeah, not so good. Other notable credits for our audience would be, he was in Star Trek Beyond. Yes, he was. I forgot about that. Prometheus. Again, shit. Yeah. I've never been so disappointed.

He sings when he's playing the squeeze box and he sings, doesn't he? Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. That's another podcast. I was so excited for that film. The trailers were so good. I was like, this is going to be great. and they're just being in the cinema like this is so bad we went to see it in the IMAX in Cardiff with uh with james and emma our friends and james was like oh i've booked a seat right at the back so we're gonna get the proper vibe

he'd got the diagram wrong for the cinema. Right at the front. And we were literally right at the front. And it was like, it was insane. It's like just looking at like a postage stamp. while everything else is just insane, swirling colours. Yeah, I came out of there just like, ah! It was horrible. Was it like the Stargate sequence in 2001? It's my son of a sequel.

Yeah. You could literally see the perforations in the cinema screen. Oh, wow. That's how close we were. And there was no one else in the cinema, so we could have gone to the back. To the back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Right. Okay. So... um again he was also in pacific rim again a film i was very very disappointed by is that a porno it might as well be it'd be it'd be more fun it's um benicio del toro's monster movie where they oh yes i know with robots robots

Sorry, Beck. Sorry, sorry, sorry. It's not for me. And he was also in the 1998 British Vampire series Ultraviolet. Was he really? Yeah, it's really good. And Ross has put again on the long list for things for us to cover. That's going to be very, very low down the bottom of it. it's a fantastic series all right okay and then uh additional appearances yeah apparently he was also in crocodile shoes too crocodile shoes

And Jerry Anderson's space precincts as a pizza delivery man and 2.4 children as a parachute instructor. Wow. How old is he now?

Cast Spotlight: Imogen Poots

He's been around a while. And then, of course, Imogen Poots is in this, and she first appeared on screen as in a 2004 episode of Casualty, had a non-speaking role in 2006.

V for Vendetta which people love but I think the only people that love that are people that haven't actually read the original Alan Moore and Alan Davis graphic novel or comic series so he's pushing his glasses up his nose that's right yep call it out I've met the man a couple of times that's just say that um she was 17 i have uh she was 17 when she was casting 28 weeks later she looks older but anyway um

She went on to play Linda Keith in the Hendrix biopic Jimmy All Is By My Side, which I don't think anyone has seen. Wow, no. It features... Is it Andre 3000? Thousand from Outcast. Oh my God. I remember that being announced, but it just sank without grace. It did. Debbie Raymond in The Look of Love and Juliet Madden in Need for Speed. Wow. Okay. In 2016, she...

Reunited with poor old Anton Yelchin. Someone else who ran himself over. Yeah, that's so sad. I don't think he ran himself over, did he? It was a gate that crushed him. He got out to get something out of the postbox or something and then his car rolled onto him and then he...

And he was just slowly crushed and he couldn't. That's horrible. Well, I said, if you've never seen the movie Green Room, watch the movie Green Room. A tremendous film. A hell of a film. Really a brilliant film. And also, he is superb in it. And it was so sad that he did.

They're all great. Patrick Stewart. Stewart's great. Everyone's good. I think she's brilliant and a very, very underrated actress. And I always watched her career with... interest after this film because I think she's brilliant in this film and I don't know she could be another Keira Knightley but she's never quite got to those heights and I do wonder if she just doesn't want to get to those heights maybe yeah but I think she's fantastic

and sorry this is a perfect example of me not reading ahead in the script because ross has put she reunited with anton yelchin her co-star from the 2011 fright night remake to appear in green room which is an excellent film worth watching if only to see patrick stewart playing a neo-nazi

And so yes, that's three thumbs up from all of us. Blue Ruin is great. Jeremy Saul, I would never always say a surname wrong. Saul Inia, all his films are always worth watching. Blue Ruin was good. Blue Ruin's good. Rebel Ridge. been on netflix that's really really good the crazy one all about the wolves that's that's surprisingly good um anyway let's let's keep going because we've already been on going for almost finished the film we've almost started the film she was she

was due to reprise her role in the next film in the Rage franchise, 28... months later but the project fell into development hell and never surfaced a new sequel 28 years later was eventually greenlit and should be hitting the cinemas very soon after the release of this episode

Who knew we could be so topical and organised? And there is no confirmation yet on whether Poots will return. Well, once again, you would think that she might, wouldn't you? That's set up. If they want to, if they're that bothered, that's an obvious...

Cast Spotlight: Garfield Morgan

Seagin, isn't it? And then finally, Garfield Morgan plays Jeff, one of the oldest civilians hiding out in the cottage at the beginning of the film alongside Robert Carlyle and his wife. Jeff doesn't get much stream time. Why are you reading about... Just keep listening, keep going, keep going.

guy he was on screen for like 13 seconds jeff doesn't get much screen time and like most of the characters in that opening sequence he's quickly overwhelmed when the infected attacked the safe house it's a small role but notable for being morgan's final film appearance for his death in 2009 listeners may know him for british tv roles he was a slave master in two episodes of the tripods

and Inspector Haskins in The Sweeney. He also played Vic Feindale, a slightly dodgy but charming businessman who ran Feindale Security, hiring Michael Elphick's titular character in... So oh my god, if you're still with us, let's get going

First Impressions of 28 Weeks Later

I have a lot to say about this film. Well, I will just say, and it was interesting, looking ahead, a regular listener and a friend of the podcast, I think it's basically fair to say, Simon Love, said when I looked at the notes, I was like, oh my God, that's exactly the same thing as me. which is I watched this film in the cinema. I have virtually no memory of it. Well, number one, this came out in the year that I started teaching.

So I think it was that period where my brain was just absolutely, it's such a busy and intense year. I think anything that wasn't to do with the job and learning how to teach has been somewhat sidelined from 2007.

I've got no memory of this apart from the opening sequence. Number two, there's a big explosion. And number three, they're in Paris at the end. Yeah, my memory was I thought the whole thing was going to be in that house. And I thought the bit... What? I thought the bit when he ran out was the end.

end of the film so that was my memory of it what the fuck are you on um so when it when that when it was when they went to canary wolf and they had like hawkeye and it was like i've got no memory of this whatsoever Have you seen it before, though, Cleves? Do you worry about your memory, Cleves? Well, I saw that at the cinema, and I never saw it again after that, so yeah. I saw this in the cinema in 2007. I remember the entire film. Hell.

Didn't remember anything because she came with me. I hate the start. I watched it with my hat over my face in the cinema and I still find it terrifying now. There is a corking jump scare, isn't there?

Scariest Film Watched

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I genuinely jumped. This is probably genuinely, for me, the scariest film that we've watched. Wow. Where you don't want to look at the screen and at times I've turned off the sound. because I thought, I can't remember... I know what's coming, but I can't remember the particular point that things happen. So for me, in terms of jump scares, atmosphere, this is the scariest thing. I mean...

The thing that's given me the willies the most is the road. But this is the thing that has been where I'm literally watching, like, through my eyes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it starts with...

The Terrifying Opening Sequence

A very high bar for me, which I think is one of the most terrifying scenes of any horror film or any film, really, which is the opening sequence where Robert Carlyle and his wife are living in this farmhouse. think it's night at first, don't you? And there's other people there with them. You're not really sure what's going on because you kind of know it's... You know...

what's happened in the previous film, so you know that something weird is happening. It's Survivors-esque, isn't it? So it's almost very similar to Survivors, where you've got a married couple... But their children are somewhere else. But Robert Carlyle assures his wife they are somewhere safe. So they are abroad. And then lots of inappropriate kissing at this point. I felt like... Well, I just thought, if you're in a post-apocalyptic scenario, would you be having a snog in a weird...

farmhouse. I wouldn't personally. Some other people might. I don't know. I just wouldn't be horny, I don't think. No, I don't think that would be the first thing on my mind. You mean you won't be turned on by a zombie apocalypse? No.

There you go. There's the strapline. There's some children there, aren't there? But I think these children... A child comes in, doesn't they? That's what happens. We hear a child pounding on the door and they're sort of arguing whether... letting the child in they should let the child in or not

I might have skipped this part because I was already scared at this point. One quick thing. It's noted on IMDb as well, but I think our listener will probably enjoy this. When the boy, they let this boy in who says that, you know, he's been running, you know, and...

Sanford Connection and Escapes

one of the the older guy inside this farmhouse says to him where have you come from and he says I've come from Sanford Now, of course, eagle-eared listeners will know that Sanford is where he goes to in hot fuzz. That's the village. And in real life, Sanford is the name of the fake town that the police have in order to do their training exercises. Oh, no way!

which is why they called it that in Hot Fuzz, so on and so forth. But that was somewhat of a nod. And when did Hot Fuzz come out before this? Oh, no way after this, wouldn't it? Is it? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Yeah, Hot Fuzz would have been... Hot Fuzz? No, before... Probably 10? No. Before 2007, mate. Let's have a look. I'm going to say 2004. Shall I keep buying Dewey Open? No. Hot fuzz. Same year. Whoa! Well, there you are. Same year, guys. Top Fuzz is a 2007 buddy cop action comedy.

And played on OTV4 every night. Every day until you die. It's the only film that's got a joke in it about the second coming, though. i.e. the stone roses album oh yes it does yes i thought you meant the um chris rickerson no no no oh yeah there's an interesting thing but i think the little boy and the girl in this sequence that's the girl

There is. She's the one looking out the window that has her armpit. That gets pulled out. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. It's not like a child. She's like a teen. So she... They're obviously ciphers for... Imogen Poots. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But this may be... Get with it, Cleves. So they barricaded it all up. And then the zombies just completely smash it all through. So they weren't safe at all. They were never attacked anyway. Up to that point, yes. So it's the illusion of safety, they think.

They think they've done enough and they haven't. Yeah, but the boy brought them there, didn't they? Yes. I would have, if I was in that house, and this is how I always feel with films like this, I would have barricaded the downstairs and then gone upstairs and done something to...

block the stairs. That's Adam Bailey you always used to say in our flat in Cardiff. Throw the mattress down the stairs. This is something and the only time during this podcast my semi-serious hat is going on here and I said this to Ross at the start.

Middle-Aged Gaze and Realism Issues

I said, I'm going to sound... I know we are a load of middle-aged men doing a podcast. We are the cliche. But I've noticed that I thought, oh my God, I'm getting so middle-aged watching this. Because my whole thing with this film, as you were saying there, John, is, you know, it's...

On one hand, it tries to set itself up with this degree of verisimilitude. It tries to say... this is like the this feels like the real world as it were and people are and like the how the army are acting this is how the army would act but then i'm watching it with the most middle-aged gaze going this makes no sense why is this happening why are they

doing that where were those guys earlier why is there only one helicopter yeah yeah yeah and this is it's interesting that bearing in mind that as we said in in our little preamble at the start that this is a bit that danny boyle did this bit really works yeah because he said it's that

That thing of you think you're safe, but they've done a really bad job of making themselves safe. Yes. Right. And so at the start, you're like, yeah, OK, this I'm on board with this. This is good. And then it's as we then get into the.

Comparing Styles: Days vs Weeks

28 weeks later bit, that you're like, hang on a minute. I don't know if I agree, James. I think that the film starts stylistically. mimicking the first film and then it transitions into a style for the second film and i think that works really well because i think you've got this kind of um high shutter speed um mad cutting dutch angles angles the absolute opposite to steady cam yeah yeah yeah and then after once he escapes on the boat

Then you transition into the second film and that's when it becomes this other film, which I think also works. For me, I prefer this massively to the first film. I remember both of you saying that you prefer the sequel. I did, I remember thinking that the first film, the first 40 minutes I think is brilliant and the rest of the stuff in that man house. In the soldiers, yeah.

That is absolute crap. This film, I think, is consistent all the way through. I have massive problems with parts of it, which I'm going to go into. But I think this film is the better film. And I think it looks quite lavish.

I think the choice of locations and stuff make it feel really epic and big budget. And I think that's what also works in the first film. But then the first film loses that once they go into these... interior shots in the manor house or whatever it's meant to be i think it just looks it becomes too small it just it just looks like a bad like adamant video or something yeah it looks shit

Escape from the Farmhouse

Look, shit. So anyway, they're in this house. Yes. Basically, they rescue a child. The zombies come in. Just call them zombies, if they're not zombies. Yes, yeah. For all intents and purposes. And Robert Collard's wife... is trying to keep the child safe but Robert Carlyle just freaks out basically and ends up leaving them.

on their own to their death and jumps out the window and pegs it down the hill yeah and then you see um zulu style all of the zombies coming over the top of the hill yes pegging it after him down to where there's like a little motorboat thing Where a guy is obviously having trouble starting it. Well, just hold on, because watching it this time, I was like, oh, it's the guy from the farmhouse.

Who's starting the motorboat. And I totally made it. The first time I ever watched it, I totally didn't register that it was the guy from the fight. I just thought it was AN Man. So... He turns into one of the zombies. He gets caught because of his poor footwear choice. He slips. If he had more robust shoes on, he would have been all right. Robert Carlyle gets it started and he bug us off then. The music at this point is brilliant. It's overpowering and it's intense and it's great.

But I think at that point, you probably shouldn't hear that music again. Oh, I don't. I could listen to it over and over again. Is it one of the themes in the first film? I'm not sure. It is. It is, of course it is. But this time it's with like guitars and stuff, isn't it? I think in the first film, it's just like a piano.

driven. Yes. I think it's such an English phrase. And again, I always think about our beloved international listeners. Hello, everyone around the world, wherever you may be. But just holding up to the camera so you can see that I put it down. Peg it! That is such a British phrase. Peg it. Run as fast as you can. I'd be fucked. You do it a lot when you're a kid and you get into trouble. Pegging it. Just peg it. Just run away. So then he buggers off. Great music. And what I noticed...

I don't know if you two noticed this on the print I was watching. I don't know where you watched it on Amazon. It's shot on film and it's a really great print and it looks lovely on film.

The first film is shot on DV cams and it looks really horrible now. What am I looking at? Yeah, but this one just looks really nice because it's beautifully shot and it's really well put together. Some of the effect shots aren't... great now in in retrospect but a lot of it looks really really good um yeah so then we got 28 days later now so this is the cut cut to canary wharf so will you have a sequence of things saying

Transition to the Safe Zone

15 days later, so-and-so has happened that all the infected have starved and then blah, blah, blah. And then US troops have come in.

uh at a certain amount of time i thought now would that even happen now would would america even come to save us now they come and just take it over make it yeah nato forces led by the us that wouldn't even happen in today's world so It's mad to think we're already looking at a film that's made in a world which is much more certain and kind of solid than our own world now.

And that's a zombie apocalypse. And that's a zombie film. 20 years later, we're dealing with idiots like Trump or Putin or, you know, anyone. And we just think, God, we... We can't, we're dealing with a future now that we're living in where the good guys, I'm doing inverted commas with my hands, probably wouldn't even come and save us now. They just leave us all to die, which is insane.

So yeah, then we basically end up in Canary Wharf then, don't we? So it's the two children are being taken, because apparently... Robert Carlyle's children. Yeah, so they're bringing the... british people back to the uk because basically all the zombies are dead and they they got people going and taking all the dead bodies out the houses and piling them up and burning them and and there's a safe zone which is on the isle of dogs which is where canary wolf is and all that

All that lot. I really like this part because it just looks really slick. It looks big budget. And you think, oh, this looks... Yeah. In my mind, it still feels like it's new. Well, yeah, for me, it's like a new Labour idea of, as in what Labour Party were in 1997. This is like a new Labour idea of... civilization it's this kind of workers in flats and there's something weirdly 90s about this film even though it's 2007 that's true that's true that it's based in this kind of Thatcherite future

where, you know, we bus workers back into this financial district. Now, I've... Go on, John. No, no, no. I was just going to say, to keep history...

London Setting and Repopulation Plan

you know, moving. We're just going to bring people back in after only 28 weeks. Well, I was just going to say that my problem with this footage at the start is that London looks absolutely perfect. It's supposed to be, yes, they're trying to...

clear everything up. There would be fires and stuff. So many buildings and it's like when you see the roads and the roads are all absolutely empty. This is because they obviously shot it really early in the mornings on Sundays and things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did think there would be traffic. very, very perfect London. Yeah. Later on, when the kids are going around on the moped, they've got, like, pile-ups and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And also, when the plane, we see their plane coming in, and I've noticed that there's a lot of this in this film, weirdly enough. It faces lots of places where I've been or lived close to when I was in London. So... As the plane comes in, they're landing at London City Airport, and you see on the left-hand side, you can see the Excel sensor, which fellow nerds may be interested to know whenever they've done Star Wars Celebration Europe. That's the big convention center where they have it.

And that was one of the few times in my life I had to run like I was in 28 Days Later, when you had to run to try and get in one of the panels at the Star Wars game. And people shouting, don't run! And no one was paying any attention to anyone. Who did you see, James?

um well i went for the andor series i got into the andor series 2 panel amazing and i tried to get into um the panel in which they said here's here's all the new films that are going to be coming soon but couldn't quite get into that one

and they've been cancelled. A number. But what was quite annoying about it is that they kind of kept everyone in a pen opposite the... that like where the ceasing area and people were just coming down the escalator just walking in and we were like look those people are just walking in and like the security people are like oh what what we're like those people just come down the escalator and they just walked in we're queued up in here

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Meeting the Main Characters

This is then the sequence where we're introduced to our main cast members. We're introduced to Jeremy Renner and we see those burn and, you know, they're all part of the American... Dream. Contingent, yes. She's a scientist. He's a sniper. He's a sniper watching people having sex and finding it hilarious. Which is weird. I made that note. Why does he laugh at people having sex? As we know in horror films.

sex equals laughing. It made me think of Rear Window, the Hitchcock film with Jimmy Stewart, where Jimmy Stewart is... has his legs or one of his legs or both of his legs in plaster as a photographer and he's using his long telephoto lens to see what his neighbours are up to and there is a sequence where Hitchcock famously shows the same reaction shot for him looking at two different things. And one of which is, I think she's called maybe Miss Lonely Hearts, they've called her.

who's doing exercises but then he looks at something else and it's the same reaction shot and that's what this made me think of where it's like he's looking at people having sex and he's laughing and then he looks at children playing And he's laughing and it's like, that's a bit weird. Is it a kind of unconscious homage from the filmmaker or is it just quite weird editing?

It's just a strange... And John, as a photographer, just explain how lenses work. So if you've got a sniper rifle, and you're looking through the scope, and you can see in focus people... quite a long way away in there um so and then later on you've got the same scope in uh in a uh a tube station and someone's standing directly in front of you and that's in crystal um sharp focus

What's going on there then? Is that something which is possible? No, but also with your scope in the snipery bit, I'm sure you'd have to refocus your scope. It might have some kind of autofocus function. I can't imagine it would focus two foot in front of you. No, it wouldn't. And I don't know. I mean, they've got night vision on in the tube, haven't they? It's just one of those things that you have to kind of let go with a film narrative, isn't it?

Sniper Scope Inconsistencies

um what one thing is is interchangeable with another but in real life they're totally different so we also meet um uh jamie runners mate who's a the uh Helicopter pilot. Harold Perrinow, yeah. Not really sure what he's doing. Doing, yes. Just flying around, isn't it?

Just looking at things. Waiting and sleeping. Looking at pictures of his family. So to give him a reason why he might actually pick up some children later on. Yes, maybe, yeah. And I think this is one of my initial problems with it, is that burying my... the uh the weight of this film later on is how jeremy renner decides to abandon his you know kind of not follow his orders and run away from his post we don't really get a huge insight into him really apart from laughing at people having

sex literally nothing at all he's very too he's very very flat as a character yeah yeah yeah i think he brings more to the performance than he's actually given yeah with information because um What happens to the character later, I found really quite shocking because I've forgotten it. And I was like, oh, I feel like I remember him at the end of the film, but I'm totally wrong. Yeah, you're right. There's nothing written.

in in the script for him to do to be uh to self-sacrifice or to or like say um disobey orders but i think he just that it's just like his performance and the way he is he he just

Actor Performances vs Writing

puts across, I'm a nice guy, therefore I would do this. I think he's really good in this film. Exactly. That comes down to the performance rather than the writing. Yeah, Imogen Poots, I just want to say, as soon as she comes on screen, she looks like a film star.

And I think she potentially looks too film star-y for this film. That's what I thought. Yeah, she looked too like a model. She doesn't look like a 17-year-old. No. And actually, I think she was probably 18 when this came out. And she looks so cool. And you're like, God. Like, she looks like she's just going to be a big star rather than... It's like when... I've got a moth flying around me. It's really annoying me. It's like when Bend It Like Beckham came out and everyone was just like...

Keira Knightley is going to be a massive star. And this, I don't think Imogen Poots, like I said, Imogen Poots hasn't gone on to be that kind of not in big franchises, but she's been in some very good films.

Imogen Poots and Starpower

But you can tell straight away that she's got great star power that I think a lot of people don't have anymore. We were watching Rebecca last night, Hitchcock's Rebecca with John Fontaine. Laurence Olivier, and I was thinking, people don't have star power like this anymore, where you've got this thing that you can't really quantify, but you just know that they're film stars.

And you don't have that kind of magical thing anymore where people are film stars now. I don't know if maybe that's down to social media or... We just know too much about them. Yeah, things like the Met Gala or stuff where you're just like, oh, these people just look like idiots. Someone like Laurence Olivier just looks like a film star, and I think Image and Poots look like that kind of thing. I have said then there's some great images of London at this point.

London Imagery and Derek Jarman

And it really reminds me of Derek Jarman's work where you've got this kind of wasteland stuff where Jarman did a film called The Last of England, which informed a lot of stuff. including some Smith's videos that he directed. And it just, I don't think it's a deliberate thing with this film, but it really reminds me of Derek Jarman's stuff where the...

director or cinematographer has just obviously got a really nice eye for light. I think this film looks really lovely at every point. I would say yes until any sort of attack happens and then... It's too shaky cam for me. Really? I think those bits are really well done because they use really fast film. They're really grainy. I think they work really well. I think they work better than the first film. You've got a better idea of where you are. But it's still just...

What else were you watching at the same time? Nothing. I mean, a different speed, though. No, for attention. I watched season three of Boone at three times speed at the same time. And my favourite was the one with Rula Lensker in.

Reunion with Father and Escape

The two children are reunited with their father, who is now... He's a bit of a prick, I think, isn't he? Yeah. He's the caretaker, in effect. But he makes out he's this dude with... The caretaker for what, Ross? I think we should say... Canary Wharf. Canary Wharf and the people that are now returning. Yes. So he's the caretaker for the building that all the...

people are now living in. And he picks himself up, doesn't he? They go out of their way to show that he's got accessible areas. Which includes highly quarantined parts of the military base, apparently. Strangely enough, yes. Those are the bits that push it slightly too far, aren't they? Yes. So basically, we rattle through quite quickly. For me, this part could have taken a lot longer to kind of show...

This community kind of coming back into this space to kind of bring this space back to life. But then literally the next day.

Children Sneak Out of Base

The two kids are like, we're going to fuck off to our old house now to get, what, a photo or something? Because Robert Carlyle tells his children that their mum died and he makes out that he did everything he could to... rescue her but he saw her getting bit and had to go rather than he just fucking legged it yeah exactly um and they um and then the children the the little boy says that uh

he doesn't even have a photograph of his mum. So they decide to get up early before the dad wakes up to sneak out of the base to try and get a photograph of their mum. Yeah. And that, this sequence I think is really beautifully shot. And as someone that's a bit kind of.

Journey Through Empty London

In the 90s, I tried to get into Goldsmiths College and I had this idealised idea of, idealised idea? I had this idealised idea or this ideal of what London looked like. This mix of different types of topography and architectures and all these different places. And I think this part of the film really sums it up that they travel through London. through lots of different places that actually in real life are nowhere near each other. But then they end up going to this pizza place.

And nicking the keys for a scooter off a corpse. Yes. One of my things was that I thought that even though it's supposed to be so, you know, so 28 weeks. So it's like six months. I was like, would that corpse be that decayed? Depends on what it was. It's basically a skeleton. Skellington, isn't it? Skellington is a skeleton, yes. Yeah, so that bit really creeped me out. But I thought, God.

London is such an interesting place. Yes. And I always think, whenever I read or we do anything post-apocalyptic, I think, I'd love to live through this.

Fascination with Post-Apocalyptic London

I'd love to experience this. I'd love to walk around London with no one around. And just be like... Overpowering stench of millions of police rotting in their houses. This is the end of history. Walk to Parliament and see... Churchill and Cromwell and all these other people and just think their history is over. It's now post-history. This kind of sequence makes me think very much of a book I've read called The Death of Grass, which I can't remember who it's by. Wyndham.

Is it Wyndham? I believe so. Yeah, it is. And it's the sequence where it's night time and they're looking at the sky. I haven't read it for years now. Oh, John Christopher, was it? Is it John Christopher? Yeah. And basically you realise that through them that the government have okayed the nuking of London because...

they can't feed anyone anymore. So rather than try and sort it out, they're just going to obliterate them all. And I think that's the kind of, I think that's the kind of feeling that this really brings across the sequence here. While I was watching this, I started thinking more in terms of rather than what was happening, I was relating this to some of the other older films you've watched. And I do think that modern films...

Modern Film Music and Scares

music now much more than in the past tells you when danger or it tells you when to be afraid or when there's danger apparent so you had this bit here where it's like And that started to make me feel really weird because it's like... I know from this music that there's about to be a scare. And I wondered when that started to come in. It's a bit John Carpenter-esque, but I do think in older films, it's not quite so literal that it's like...

That sound means danger, doesn't it? Whereas in older films, it's not quite so obvious. Yeah. It's not particularly scary. It's happening at slow speed. Yeah. Telling us of danger, sound is scary, squeaky bum time.

Return Home and Attic Discovery

So the kids get back to their house, let themselves in. The house, again, does not look as if they left in a hurry. It seems very, very perfect and lovely. I don't think they were there, though, James.

So the kids weren't there. Of course, yes, they would have been abroad, wouldn't they? But even still, you would have thought the Robert Carl Lowell and his wife may have... But then again, given what's upstairs in the loft, maybe she tidied up, I don't know. But there's... So she goes, and this I found to be perhaps the creepiest and best...

scene for me yeah yeah yeah this is a great scene up into the uh the like the attic room as it were like the very top floor of the house and go into a room which It's clearly like someone has sort of shut themselves in here for a long time. There is maggot ridden food. It's clear and it's very dark. It's like my daughter's bedroom. And a bit like almost.

So keep referring to David Lynch all the time, but almost like the evil thing that lives behind Winkie's, the diner in Mulholland Drive. There is something sort of hidden. dark and hidden down by the bed and you think oh something's gonna leap out at us here and it's i don't want to see an evil thing behind a winky no you don't um but one of the great sequences of all time ever ever by the way that is um

The Twist: Mother Is Alive

but so we then find out here there is the big twist oh my god it's robert carlisle's wife their mum she's alive But she's infected. But you can see that she has been bitten. There are tooth marks on her arm. Yeah. So there's a bit where they embrace and then you realise she's been bitten. So you're like, oh my God, she's going to bite. Yeah. And she like really holds the kid like too tight, doesn't she? Yes.

Yes. At which point the army turn up. Harold Perrineau in his helicopter has managed to spy. He's been following them, hasn't he? Yes. And they say, okay, found her. And they then take her back to the safety.

Return to Safe Zone and Immunity

zone And then we get the whole kind of the big revelation that because she's got the same eyes as David Bowie, she's... Well, it's not immune. She can be infected, but she doesn't take the... does not take yes this is something we've omitted saying at the start when they're inducted into this area we see that the boy has got different colored eyes and he's inherited from that that from his mother

And then we find out later that his mother has got this kind of... Semi-immunity. Semi-immunity, yeah. So that means that he and his mother are potentially very important too. finding some kind of cure or antidote to the rage virus. Can we say this is the halfway point of the film?

I'd say so, yeah. This is kind of where it tips, isn't it? Yeah. Who's the protagonist of this film? Exactly, yeah. I don't know what that means, please. Who is the main character? Well, I think that's what's interesting, is that...

Again, like so many films that we watch, it's the old psycho trick of these are the stars of the film, i.e. the big names, and then we're just going to... obliterate them and then you're going to follow these other characters and that's what I really like about this film is that in this sequence then that the the feds turn up they take the wife back to

Canary Wharf to some port-a-cabins under a building. Yeah, they give her a scrub dam. Yeah, they give her a good wash. All this sequence is quite weird. And then they've got her in this laboratory, which is in a port-a-cabin. And they say, you know, they say a lot of stuff about, you know, she's very important, blah, blah, blah. And then the kids are in this room where there's a two-way mirror and...

They're kind of... Yeah, you stay there because they're sort of checking them out for quarantine and all that kind of stuff. Yes, yes. And then what we have then is the issue that...

Robert Carlyle Reaches Wife

Really, the main protagonist of this film to start with, which is Robert Carlyle, he then finds out that his wife is there from his children. Is that right? Yes. He knows where to go to find her. He's got the...

Plot Holes and Inconsistencies

the accreditation to get into anything. This is where it starts to be. There's no guards on the door or anything. There's no one around. This is for me where it's a bit annoying because... Up to this point, I think this film has been fairly flawless. It was harder to get in to see the guy out of the Quitter Mass. LAUGHTER Experiment. Yeah, at least they had a little bit of a, you know, someone dressed up as a nurse to get into stuff. On the door. Yeah.

but yes and as i was saying earlier this is my middle-agedness as i was watching it i was like come on now it's like if you want to make it real you need to try and play it a bit realer there are various points in this film where you just go where's the guys with the flamethrowers yes it's like if you've got a proper outbreak here you would have someone stood outside the

with a flamethrower you know oh everyone's just running around and you wouldn't bring him right into the centre where everyone else is they would be they would be in a unit outside the fence exactly all of that so that's how I felt as I was watching it I was like I'm getting so mid-late

But I couldn't escape the fact that for me, they'd gone for, we're trying to make this as real as possible. You're right, James. You know, like when we're watching the older films, it's like a fantasy world. So you put up with that kind of stuff. But if you're making, like you said, you're making stuff... handheld, and you're making it look almost like a documentary. You can't start playing with all these plot holes.

Yeah, this is a big hole, I think. And it's a shame with this because I think up to this point, they've done a really good job of weaving together a new world out of the first film.

Sloppy Access to Lab

They've put the characters in place. Robert Carlisle's there. He's a really good actor. And then at this point, it's like, oh, we've established this AAA thing. so he can just get in and see her and it's like that's just kind of sloppy and a bit lazy but anyway he goes in And he kisses her. Yeah, as we know, this is someone who gets very horny in a high-tension situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just a peck on the cheek. It's like, I'm going to snog. They don't really have much of...

There's not really much dialogue, is there? And then he becomes infected with rage. And I do like the way how quickly people get infected. Yeah, it's instantaneous. And it's like, it's like naught to a million. Yes. And it's really good.

Controversial Eye Gouging Scene

And then the next bit I have a massive problem with, and this will mean that I've docked many points from this film. But I just think it's a really horrible kind of misogynistic attack where... She's strapped down on the bed in this laboratory-type setting. Robert Carlyle goes mental and ends up gouging her eyes out. And I'm like, this is just really...

Didn't that happen at the end of the first film? Yes. Yeah, it said that on my Amazon thing at the side of the screen where Cillian Murphy gouges someone's eyes out. But Cillian Murphy in that film isn't infected. So that's... you know it's it's not really and he's fighting to survive yeah so it's not really you can't really have a homage

To an eye-gouging scene. I just find it really... Oh, yeah, we love that bit. People clapping in the audience. I just think, you know, there's a woman who's not in any position to... defend herself and her husband ends up kind of biting her neck and gouging her eyes and I just thought that's fucking I remember at the time thinking that's fucking fucked up and I still think that's fucking fucked up and I think it's more fucked up now I just thought it was just

way too much and it unnecessary totally unnecessary I mean and then they show that he's blatantly trapped in there because he's smashing his head against the door yeah yeah yeah yeah next scene he's wandering around around and again here we go does he remember that he's got his

Robert Carlyle's Sixth Sense

a triple e card in his pocket which he can start smoking this is the thing and one of my and i remember as i was watching it i was like ah this was my problem with the movie at the time is that he has almost this sixth sense of where to go where to find people Yeah. Particularly his family. All three of us have been to London. He follows those people over about 35 miles. There is no way. I'm sorry. There is no way on earth. Yeah.

could track them down like he does no it's just and of course when we get up to the firebombing bit in a bit as well if he had jumped if he had gone underground if he had like dropped into into his i would have gone fine but he literally just stands around a corner yeah and dodges that huge fire

I was like, oh, come on. After they then go out of their way to show you the fire blast going round every, downstairs and all that. And it's like, he wouldn't survive that. I think they're trying to make out. that he's got this kind of sixth sense that sets him apart from the other rage-infected people. But that doesn't... Because I think, does the eye gouging thing, is that related to her being...

because of her different colour dyes. It's just too coincidental. It's not explained. It's not implicit enough because... there's no point where he's in and i suppose you know i don't know if if scenes were filmed where he was party to this information somehow maybe you know but he shouldn't be special like you can't have everyone in that family special, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's, I mean, then, and that's one of the things I like, is that then, and I think...

Robert Carlyle probably liked it because I think it must have been fun he ends up for the last half of the film he just plays a zombie which I think must have been hilarious

Playing a Zombie

Because he's literally just going mental for like half the film, which must have been really nice. And then we get, once again, putting on my... boring middle-aged man hat on they have a full evacuation

Safe Zone Panic and Lockdown

Yes. One guy is running around. Evacuate everybody! Evacuate everybody! Or lock down. Lock yourself in the rooms. Yeah, lock things down. And it's like, again, you're just like, you wouldn't do this. I've got to be honest. I love this.

Terrifying Panic Sequence

sequence because I find it terrifying and this is my idea of hell what I put is I felt that when they were probably putting the film together this would have been one of the two kind of big You can see that I think the three big ideas would have been one, loads of people start to panic.

And then it's, oh my God, someone's rage infected. Where are they? And the panic spreads. I think that would have been written in pitch. And absolutely, yep, I agree with you. I've put my notes there. I like the panic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Number two, they would have had...

gone oh let's make the scene where people are running away and just soldiers just start randomly shooting people because they've lost control of the situation that's pretty dramatic and horrendous and then the third one is let's have a scene where a helicopter chops up loads of zombies

Big Sequence Ideas

That is, you can tell, I think that those were the big, these are our big sequences and we just need to get to them however. And I think this is where it's great that the people get infected so quickly because... So people spill out onto the outside? They don't yet, Cleves. Oh, okay. So all the people that are fine are taken down into this big room and just locked in there.

And then Robert Carlyle is at the fire door and then kind of just kind of let in by his son at that point. And then he comes in and then you've got this kind of domino effect of... because he's then infected and then yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah which which for me it's um it's slightly implausible but it's also a really terrifying sequence because i would fucking hate Just anything to do with being locked in a room like that with all those people locked doors, people pressed up against doors.

Just anything like that, I find absolutely horrifying. Again, great idea. I think they could have been put into a better film. It's what I'm saying. So many of the ideas. You go, that's great. I'm interested, James.

Enjoyment and Pacing

I've got to say at this point that this was much better than I remembered, and I really enjoyed watching this. I didn't want to watch this, and I just thought, oh, fuck. I thought he was going to absolutely hate it. I thought, well, Sunday afternoon, this is the last thing I want to bloody watch. But I'll watch it in 20-minute chunks. To be honest, I'd watch it all pretty much in one sitting because I just thought, this is quite an easy watch.

And it really rattles along. Yeah. There's not really a lull, which I think is always good with a... You know, a 90-minute film. We watched something called La Chimera the other night that Hell wanted to watch. It was way over two hours. But I really enjoyed, but fuck me, it was slow. Need some rape zombies.

Yeah, you're just waiting for the next thing to happen in the story. And it's, you know, that was just like beautiful Italian countryside. This guy who's like an archaeologist who can define where graves and stuff are. But you'd be waiting 20 minutes for the next kind of scene to start while he's just driving along in his fucking Fiat. Whereas this film is just like, this film for me could have easily been two hours and had...

Potential for a Longer Film

more of a preamble where we see kind of this kind of robotic, empty existence of the people that are kind of being brought in to kind of... Because I suppose at this point...

Repopulating Britain Debate

Those people are the first people that are coming back into Britain. Yeah, but what are they bringing them back to do? Well, to repopulate Britain. What, start shagging? What the fuck are you on? Just to start the country again, please. Sex-heavy content in this one. No, just to start the life of the city again. Get the tube up and running. Think of all the things that London needs to operate as an entity. But the whole country is full of people. I don't know. Everyone's dead, Cleves. Yeah.

But I don't think you would probably go to London first, would you? Where would you go, Cleves? Dorset. Well, my plan would be to take over Swannish. Become the King of Dorchester. So what would be of value to other countries which we've got in the UK?

fucking nothing we got nothing so all the call centers are gone and like service you know all the call centers are gone what we got in this country we haven't got any industry they're not building anything they're not mining anything it's not like we've got any like rare earth minerals or anything sports I think you're missing the point yeah so get the footballers back there yeah I think you're missing the point of why they just made a sequel please it doesn't matter

Repatriating British Refugees

What it is, I mean, the thing is, I think what they're trying to say is that all these people who are abroad at this point missed out on this madness. So they're trying to repatriate them. Because they mention about the refugee camps in Spain and stuff, don't they? Again, that's potentially quite an interesting idea where you've got the British being the immigrants.

and they're being sent home, in inverted commas, that also would be quite an interesting idea, which would develop the start of this film a bit more. I feel like they would be sent back and then forced into clearing the place up. That's the kind of thing which Americans will probably get us doing. More likely these days, yes. Yeah, but why would other countries go and clear it out for us so that we can then go back and...

International Response Debate

I think if you think of 2007, when it was stuff like Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, being best mates with George Bush and stuff, the international community would be like... we've got to sort Britain out because Britain is this epitome of civilization. Whereas literally like less than 20 years later, it would be like, we're not going to do fuck all.

Not America. I think Europe would be very concerned if Britain turned into this plague colony. But that's the thing. Again, I'd be really interested to know, like... How many people are left? How many British people are left? And not to skip to the end, but if there was a potential, another outbreak in Britain, you know, imagine, you know, you'd have the Euro fighters out there trying to stop anything coming from the UK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Total Loss of Control

Yeah, but at this point, they think that it's just died out, don't they? That's the thing. So then we have the people spilling out into the... Yes. And this is where it felt to me, this isn't an American... or a British film director directing this bit, because it just felt so, like, really cliched American. Oh, this is FUBAR! This is all fucked up, man! And all that kind of stuff. And people being, take lethal force! And all that kind of stuff.

Military Shooting Civilians

I thought this bit was really good because I just thought this shows, like any military operation, it's just... Nowadays, it's literally about just killing civilians. Yeah, so basically, we haven't mentioned Idris Elba, but he's just like in the background. He's the commander. To be fair, he's a totally pointless character. Yeah, they don't really need him in there. They don't need him.

Idris Elba's Role and Command

you don't see what happens to him. And I would really like to see him and his kind of henchmen just kind of turned into zombies at the end. Because, yeah, you... it's like you're like you say code red code red code red and all that stuff yeah they just basically they just say shoot or shoot everyone because they can't they can't see who's who's infected who's not infected yes but then we have um the the american doctor character

Scientist and Sniper Rescue

saying that yeah we need to get that kid because that kid has potentially got um a uh an immunity or cure just like his mom yeah so she's basically she goes down there to try and rescue them jeremy renner uh Because he's a nice man. Decides, I can't start shooting innocent people even though they might be infected and I'm in the military and that means not following orders. Yeah. And he goes down and he sort of finds the kids and rescues them.

with a couple of other survivors who you think, these people are going to get killed. Cannon fodder. One of them's an old lady who they make run, which I think is really harsh. She's like, oh my God, she's not going to last 10 seconds. You're making her an old lady run.

Cannon Fodder and Airstrike

It's a bit like the red shirts in Star Trek, isn't it? Yes. The ones you know that are going to get killed. Yeah. So what happens is the Americans totally lose control of the situation and Interstellar gives the command to basically firebomb it.

So I put in true Brass Eye style, the one thing that we didn't want to happen, this is exactly the one thing that we didn't want to happen. So after having done all of this work to repopulate and repatriate London, they're now going to have to blow the whole bloody place up, which is what they... do they then sort of call in this airstrike

Escape Through London Landmarks

Rose Byrne and Jeremy Renner managed to get the kids out via, once again, it's time for places where James has lived. They take them under the foot, the foot tunnel under the Thames that comes up in Greenwich. I used to live in Greenwich in Southeast London that comes up by the...

sark i was like hey i know where that is and then trick cue the maddest bit for me of the film is the sequence where you know as the fire bombing is going on we then see them so they've come out in southeast london They then walk all the way back into London. To the Wibbly Wobbly Bridge by Tate Modern. Yeah. Cross back over to St. Paul's Cathedral. Yeah. And then cut all the way back to like Hyde Park and then Charing Cross Station. It's like, why are you going this way?

Confusing Geography and Landmarks

This is mad. Where are you trying to get to? If you've ever lived or been to London a couple of times, you're like, what's going on? I always watch things set in Wales and Cardiff and think, but it is literally just a sequence of... landmarks that people know isn't it yes and and that's a st paul's on the skyline is a great because it's like it's that that it's that wartime image of simple surviving the blitz and stuff um and i i

think it works really well because it's just I think I'm getting the sense that I've liked this film a lot more than you two have made me laugh at this point is that it's these two pesky kids that are escaping, that have basically caused it all anyway. And at no point, no one says to them, like, you know this is all your fucking fault. There's 15,000 people in there.

They've all just been incinerated because you wanted a fucking photo of your mother. And your dad. And your dad's dead as well. Your dad's dead. Your dad killed your fucking mum because of you. You're all dead. Everyone's dead. Dear Alex Garland, here's some script notes for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Blame for the Outbreak

we don't need the sister killer and just carry that one because he's the one we need that's what that's what they should have said um so then what happens in terms of do they then go to they're going to regent's park aren't they

Regent's Park Helicopter Scene

I think so. And then they go to... Because basically the helicopter's going to pick them up there. Yes. And then there's some kind of fair that's been there. These bits look beautiful. So they've got this old-fashioned fun fair. It's lovely summer light. There's overgrown grass and stuff. And I was like, wow, this looks really lovely. Because the female doctor's been injured. Rose Byrne has been shot in the leg. But then...

When the helicopter turns up, he's like, oh, who are these people with you? I can't fit them all in the helicopter. And then there's a man with them who... He's just one of those people that's going to be cannon fodder. And just jumps on the helicopter anyway. He jumps onto the helicopter. And then the man in the helicopter can't control the helicopter. I'm not sure why. He just freaks out. He goes wild. But then he tries to get...

it back under control and he chops up all the zombies which I loved because we haven't mentioned that the zombies have now pursued them the ones that didn't get killed by the firestorm and broke out have now just been like running through London oh yeah yeah so even though there's only like 30 of them yeah exactly where they are in the huge sprawling metropolis of London they have come to exactly where they are and he said in Harold Perrineau just goes let's do this

Helicopter Blades Kill Zombies

and then angles his helicopter and chops them up with his helicopter blades. Yeah. So I really, really like this sequence. I remember thinking at the time it was quite shit, but actually now in retrospect... A lot of the effects in this part look really good. Did you know this whole bit was based on an accident that happened in the Late Late Breakfast show? LAUGHTER Sorry, Harold Parano flies off and at which point my notes are, is there only one helicopter?

Post-Airstrike Escape in Car

Have the Americans only brought one helicopter over with? But he's the only one who's like friends with Jeremy Renner and ignoring... Yeah, I think the Yanks at this point are just shitting themselves and thinking, right, we've got to just nuke the area. It's a bit like the end of Aliens, isn't it? Where they're like, right, okay.

The solution is this. We've just got to nuke the whole fucking thing. Yes. We give up. So we then have a sequence where they're in some nice London streets, but there's loads of gas coming. They run and get into a Volvo, which is a really nice Volvo, a Volvo estate, a V60, I think. And then they stop the gas coming in the Volvo, but then the zombies come. And bang on the windows. And they're vomiting blood on the windows. And then...

Flamethrowers Arrive Late

But then there's soldiers coming behind them with flamethrowers and you're like, where have these guys been? Finally, at fucking last, I've seen these fuckers in the thing. And again, it just happened to be in the same street as where they are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen these fuckers in the thing where they're... burning a fucking Alsatian to death but they're not here in this fucking film so then um they're in the car and the car won't start obviously um

Car Won't Start and Sacrifice

Because it's been sat there for 28 weeks, which is however long. That's probably how long my car was sitting during lockdown as well, actually. But then Jeremy Renner, and I don't remember any of this part, and I was like... What the fuck's he doing? I don't remember this part. He gets out and he starts to bump start the car. And then as he's running away, as the car goes away, he's kind of running. He gets...

Kind of incinerated. And I was like, I don't remember any of this. And it's that interesting thing where you have memories of the end of a film where they get to Paris, but I'm wrong. And he's dead. And I was just like... That's right. That was the last Burning Man stunt because... we used to see those all the time and it used to be like every film had to have a man who was a staple yeah a man who was on fire and if any on like tv shows if they were anyone was talking about

stunt work they would always do two things number one have that incredible like glass that safety glass yeah so we'll get a bottle smashed over their heads and then they would set somebody on fire and then they'd fall off of a cherry picker into a load of boxes yes I have to say that I have personally experienced, on the way, a burning man. Yeah. And...

Did neither of you watch The Way? I watched the first episode. Yes, I watched The Way. It's the start of the first episode, Cleans. So you've obviously totally forgotten this. Yeah. So a man walks down the main street in Patalbot Station Road and sets fire to himself. Do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, we filmed that and it took loads of setting up. And in real life, it wasn't very good. It was really weird. It's a man in loads of padding.

with a really awful rubber mask on that looked nothing like the guy that's the actor that's set fire to himself just then sets fire to himself and then he gets shh. so the flames go out straight away and it looked terrible and I don't even know what I can't remember really what went into the edit but um I remember thinking, this is quite terrifying. And then the guy afterwards was just absolutely fine. He was like, yeah, whatever, I do it all the time.

Yeah. Film it if you want. If not, I'll just do it anyway. I'll just do it again. I used to love that song, James. Brilliant. So then they drive off then. I think I've run out of notes now. They drive off to a Millennium Stadium. No, no, no, they don't, please.

Strafed Car and Tube Escape

They're then being strafed by a helicopter. Then they drive down into the tube station. Is it Charing Cross, James? It is. Once again, from my time of living in South East London, you get the overground train into Charing Cross. I was like, I've been in that tube station many times.

Night Vision Tube Sequence

And again, very, very weird that they then come all the way back into central London to Charing Cross. And then we get probably the other sequence that when they were planning this film out, they probably came up with a let's do the night vision sequence. Yes.

As they then decide to go down into the tube, there's still lots of dead bodies down there. They can't see where they're going. So at this point, they can't see where they're going, so they have to use the night vision. For me, I found this... I find this unwatchable, a bit like the sequence in the first one with the taxi when they're going through the tunnel and there's all the dead bodies in there. I can't imagine anything worse than anything like this situation.

I didn't watch this, but I know Robert Carlyle comes back in this bit. But then he also kills Rose Byrne. Yes. And I don't remember Rose Byrne being killed either. So I was just like, fuck. Yeah. And then he attacks his son.

Deaths in the Tube

Yes, bites him. Yeah, and then Imogen poops us and shoots his own father. But then they can see at this point. So somehow, yes. Somehow it's now like their eyes, maybe they've got their night vision. I was also going to say that if you're going to do night vision, if we talk about night vision stuff, this comes nowhere near to the descent.

The movie, The Descent, which is the best. We will be doing that film. Scared the hell out of me when I first watched that movie. But anyway, so yeah, so there's that. And then once again, it's another, if you know you're London, you just go, hang on a minute. So they're at Charing Cross Tube.

Journey to Wembley Stadium

go to Wembley? Yes. That's like 15 miles away. Wembley, yeah. Even I know that Wembley is really far out of London. It's in Wembley. The absolute centre of London. Yes. So do you think, what, did they walk along the lines? You could get the Jubilee line up there, but still the walk. days if you couldn't see where you were going yeah well yeah okay the implication is that they're doing it underground is i would shit myself i don't want to do that

Post-Apocalypse Plan

Hey, look, we've all seen old Mind the Gap. What was it? Deathline, haven't we? I did think there could have been a Deathline crossover there. This, for me, is not how I'd spend the post-apocalypse. I would be the one that basically went. And stole a Rolls Royce. Yeah. And then basically just drove to a really nice hotel. Yeah. Yeah. Still loads of nice clothes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just live there. Like the Omega Man. Yeah. Everyone's dead. I don't care. You know, people are twats anyway.

Society Breaking Down Observation

All your favourite paintings, put them in your apartment, John? Yeah. I drove into Cardiff the other day and two men called me a ****. Beep that out for if my mother does still listen. I drove into Cardiff the other day into Grangetown to do a job, and two men called me a c***, two other drivers. And I was like... Society... Society is on the verge of breaking down in this country, because...

From the top down, there is no authority or sense of just what's right. I watched an old man the other day who must be in his 60s. Eating a takeaway and throwing all of his litter on the floor. And I just thought, these people should be locked up now. Is that when Helen's parents came to stay? As Alan Partridge once said, I just hate the general public. Yeah, it's true, James. And this film, for me...

sums it up. Basically, introduce them into Canary Wharf and then incinerate them. I'd ride my motorbike around Buckham Palace at the beginning of James Herbert's 48.

Wembley Stadium and Helicopter Escape

So we're almost there at the end. So where are we? So we're in Wembley. They've let the grass grow. Yeah, I like the long grass of the stadium. There's some fairly dodgy green screen at this point, but it doesn't look too bad. And then they get on the helicopter with the nice man. And then they fly off. And then you see them looking at London. And I looked it up. You can fly a helicopter from Wembley to Paris on one.

tank of fuel yeah of course you can it's not probably not that far is it how far is it I'm not sure but you'd have to be a big military helicopter you couldn't yeah Well, also, you don't have to get, you know, Paris is a little way in. You've only just got to clear the channel, haven't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Germans nearly got there in 1914, didn't they? So, yeah, basically, you see the Whitecliffs of Dover.

White Cliffs and Final Scene

And then you see the boy looking out the window. For me, then, that's the ending. He says, am I one of them? And she can see... at a bad effect you can see the blood coming into his eyes and she lies to him and said no no but he is one of them but he's also the same as his mother that he's

Yeah. Yeah. Now, it's interesting that I had a quick look on IMDb for this one, and it did say that that should have been the end of the movie. Him and the helicopter. That's my absolute feeling, James. Yeah. However... literally like a week before the film was due to be released, they decided that the director decided he was going to go and film that bit in Paris. So he got like five special people and they shot it without. So that's my favourite bit. Ah, shit, Cleves.

I love the idea that it carries on. It really fucks me off. It fucked me off at the time. It fucks me off now. And that's what I didn't like about it. I always like, I think when we did 28 Days Later, I said, I really like the idea of because we are, because of being Great Britain, that you would just absolutely.

you would isolate these islands and you would just go, that's it, they're quarantined. So I think the minute that you're going, oh, it's got abroad, you think, oh, no. Really spoils it for me. You've lost what's made it special. You follow these characters from the start, you want them to escape, and then you have this badly filmed, tagged on thing, where it's just like, oh no, they're in Paris, and you're like... for fuck's sake it's just a really disappointing ending

Okay, so before we get to the scores then, here's what some of you said over on Blue Sky. Make sure you're following us there. We are at General Witch. And we, once again, Ross, is also doing more on Instagram, also at General Witch. Sorry, at General Witch 1.

And if you're feeling very generous, head over to Patreon, where for a few pounds a month, you can get extra bits and pieces. Plus, best of all, add free early access to the podcasts. So let's start with our opening scene. Marcus Scarman said, that opening fucking scared me.

Direct from the Pyramids of Mars. Exactly, yeah. There you are. And Mick Brooks remembered it being amazing, although he said it feels then goes off the boil and can't live up to it. I would agree. Andrew Stone over on Patreon also singled it out, calling it a better and a better... James Connell also on Patreon thought it was on a par with 28 Days. He felt that the first one was frenetic and frightening in a way that I can...

and I think only the opening scene in 28 Weeks matches agreed. He found the sequel a bit too consistently action-y, but ultimately a more coherent film. I like it. Then there's the indifference and outright contempt. James McConnell called it an Amsterdam... absolute hamster droppings and a totally unneeded sequel. Rude Mullet simply said 28 weeks was too many weeks. Simon, and once again, I've said this at the start.

Friend of the show, Simon Love, remembered seeing it in the cinema but admitted, other than the opening scene and the bit where the helicopter tilts and chops up a load of zombies, I have no memory of it. He also didn't realise that the bow and arrow man from Marvel was in it. And finally, Paulie V...

Tito's hitman had a softer spot for it. Love this film. Wish there was more Robert Carlyle though. Yes. Fine. So there you go. Score them up. You two go first because I'm interested because I'm probably going to score. Okay, well, go on, Ross, do you want to go first? I prefer it to, I still prefer it to 28 Days Later. I think 28 Days Later, like you said, John, it's got an excellent beginning. I just love the whole bit of wandering around London on his own.

And then I just feel like all of the promise of that, it just disappears. You don't have any zombies apart from that one who's tied up. And then it's all about those soldiers in a... in a house and it just becomes from being like a massive uh countrywide event it goes down to like a few people in a house um yeah whereas i feel like this is

we're we are the monster now which is something i always hate even though i couldn't remember everything of it um it's not as good as i remember so because i think the main bits i remember the beginning and i thought it was like that for the most of the film And the bit in France, which I like. I like the idea that it becomes a bigger thing. All 15 seconds of it. Yeah. But I've given it a three. Whoa.

interesting okay and for me i found as i said there were there were some sequences that i really enjoyed i love like the panic spreading bit of course as everyone said the opening is is terrific is really really good but for me i found and the characters were so cardboard and so and once again it fell foul of that whole why are you doing this why this just makes no sense as to how you i i think there would be i really like the idea of well how would you go about

restarting society as we said in the preamble at the start that that was allegedly the original idea but i just don't think much of that survives and that's survivors that you need to watch yeah yeah yeah which yeah which we then oh Maybe we'll watch that next time. See, Ross is making it run properly. So, yeah, I would have liked more of that.

And, you know, more of the, you know, people panicking and that sort of stuff. I think that would have made it a more effective horror film, as it is all the stuff with Robert Carlyle somehow managing to track him down over all the miles. And yeah, it all just... It's all too coincidental.

It's all too coincidental, yeah. And unlike John, I thought at times, oh, it's a bit slow. And I do feel a film needs a main protagonist. I think you need to have someone who you're following and you're rooting for all the way through the film. I don't know the answer necessarily. necessarily the case i just i just feel it's just like it's just it's a bit not unnecessary but

As with so much of the stuff we've done, we do so much. Could have been so much better. But I will, having seen the trailer, extremely intrigued to see what part three is going to be like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm looking forward to the three. But for this, I have scored it a two. And the boy is rubbish.

Yes, yes, he's not a very good actor. He's now a man, isn't he? But as is always the case, and I think we've said this a few times before, with Hollywood, with British films, whatever, if you have a child actor and they're not good... it really makes the project struggle, doesn't it? It's so hard to get good kid actors. But when you've got a good one, it makes it work. When you've got a bad one, you're just like, oh my God, no. John, what did you think? For once...

I am on the obviation of you two. Okay. I'm going to give it 4.5. Cool. I thought it was great. I think there's loads of errors with it. I think the... Robert Carlyle killing his wife in that horrible misogynistic scene is really reprehensible. But the rest of the film I found really enjoyable. Daft. Mad. thrilling, just great. And I really enjoyed it and I enjoyed it more than when I saw it the first time. Wow. I was really surprised how much I enjoyed it and I just thought...

I don't want to turn this off. I want to watch more. When there's lots of films we've watched where I've like, oh God, I've watched half an hour. I'm going to go for a walk now and watch another half an hour. Whereas this is like, it's really slick. It's quite modern.

I mean, it's what, how old is it now? 18 years old? 19 years old? Something like that. This is mad, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it feels... Any film which is like... that old and still and got computer graphics it dates you it's too old to have computer graphics

I think the CGI in it is actually really good in lots of things. Yeah, I really liked the fire when it was all blue and then the fire was coming in. It looked great. I think there's other bits, a bit like when I watched... is it called monsters the director is well yes gareth edwards yeah lovely guy i interviewed him once for um the bfi but he um

He told me at the time when he made Monsters that all the kind of renders for planes and stuff are online and you can just download them copyright free and just make them and put them into your film and that's how he did Monsters. That's kind of what I felt like a bit with this. There was a Chinook helicopter in it, which I thought, God, that literally looks like. It looks so fake. Yeah, you've just downloaded it. But otherwise, I thought. Apparently, the helicopter, the guy's flying.

Change his model a couple of times. Oh, really? Yeah. I just think that the characters aren't really that important. And I don't really know. I mean, you're kind of rooting for the kids. But otherwise, you're just like, I just want more action with this film. And I think it delivers that really well. Amazing that...

the guy that directed it hasn't, doesn't really seem to have gone on to do anything else. No. Well, when he, they brought him out of retirement to make this one, he was doing, he was doing commercials and stuff. They brought him back to do this.

Then he sort of didn't make stuff, and he's just recently made a new film recently. Oh, okay. Because, yeah, when you look at his Wikipedia or whatever, it's like, there's like four things on there. And I think this is... beautifully directed and really well shot you know there might be story inaccuracies but the actual direction editing what's on screen looks really good yeah um

It's not a badly made film. It's just there are kind of story threads that you're like, this guy having this AAA thing. shouldn't be able to get into this lab, which is literally just in a port-a-cabin in a car park under Canary Wharf. I'm really looking forward to the new one. Yeah, yeah. I'm just worried that the trailer was so good with that poem, that Kipling poem. Yeah. And you feel like, can it ever beat that? We'll see. Probably not. Next time.

We are going to be watching Survivors. Ooh. Oh, lovely. Okay, but until then... All right, guys. Happy day, everyone. Love, light, and peace. Thanks for listening, as always, everyone. Take care. Bye. Bye. The General Witch Finders. Support the show and continue the conversation at patreon.com forward slash general witch finders. Subscribe and spread the word at generalwitchfinders.com Farewell, and don't have nightmares.

Quants me to start doing yoga. Stopped me hurting myself. After the leg incident, Ross. Be a bit more flexible. You should, please. I'm fucked already. There's no hope for me now. We could do Broga together. Online Broga. What the fuck is that? It's yoga for men. Have you got Darth Vader's helmet behind you, Cleaver? Yes. How do you see that? To your left, it looks like the silhouette of Darth Vader's helmet. There's another one over there. Yeah, that's a... That's a...

A Lego Darth Vader's helmet. Oh, I see. What's happening in the petrol station tonight, James? Let's find out. We won't be able to do this soon, James, will we? We're going to have to say farewell to the petrol station. Yeah, I'll be sad to see you in a different location, James. It's a lovely blue sky, isn't it?

Oh, look at that. It's a lovely green colour because of the difference in the light temperature. That's great. It looks like something from a Vim Vendors film or something. It looks like a... you know, fake background. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you really live there, James? It's all part of an elaborate... Is it really Buckingham Palace or something behind you? If only, if only, yeah. At the moment, there's only one guy over there. One day it would glitch and you just see a green screen.

Yeah. The other thing that you can see is the blue Amazon locker there. That's where I get all my Amazon stuff sent to. because the Amazon delivery drive around my way cannot distinguish between first floor flat and the shop. No more than that, James. I know. Yeah. Right, give me a minute. Trying to get rid of these books rather than...

Give me a minute. I'm going to put my pajama bottoms on right there. I'm uncomfortable. Hopefully this is going to happen off camera. Oh, the heat. Oh, sound effects. I'm enjoying them. What was that hitting the floor? Do you have comfy trousers, James? I'm in shorts right now.

Becky's trying to get me to get a comfy clothes. I just can't do it. Oh, come on. You've got to get loungewear. Get into loungewear. Loungewear's the future. That's better. With 48. Well, I know you're 47 still. The last thing you need is a belt cut into you, innit? Exactly. No. I think that's the beginning of the end. I noticed when I came up earlier that I got the box of wine here from the last time we were doing the... Yeah. All part of the props. All right.

So I've got a couple of things. You're so loud, Cleaver. That's why I have to put the headphones on over my hoodie, because you'll be like, right there, I've just realised. Because I'm the only one who knows how to talk into a microphone. What? Just by shouting? Just by being near it. Yeah, right. Is it true they're doing a new series with Daisy Ridley?

Well, Ross, you're going to have to cut this out. We'll put this at the end. James Star Wars update. What they are now doing, John, is they are doing a movie called Star Wars Starfighter with Ryan Gosling, which is set... After the events of episode nine. Now, what this would suggest is that what I think is happening is that Disney have gone...

Is there still the appetite for the big Star Wars films and the amount of money that it costs them? So I think what they've gone for is they've gone for a man who knows how to direct big films and they've gone for someone that's got real good star power. And of course, if you've seen the Barbie movie,

he can do comedy he is a very good choice for a Star Wars movie Ryan Gosling to lead it and I think they are waiting to see how this film does and if this film does well they will then do another one and they will bring Daisy Ridley into it Oh, I thought she was definitely in it. I think they can't get their heads around how to make it. I've seen her in like an ex-fighter pilots.

helmet yes yeah that was that was for star wars that that was that was first star wars day i think she just has that oh i thought it was still from no no no she just she just put that you know that's she does that in episode nine um but i think she's just got that prop in her house

So yeah, that's my honest feeling and appraisal on that one at the moment. They announced that Daisy Ridley film, but then it's gone through two different screenwriters. One of them was the guy that did Peaky Blinders.

He was supposed to be writing it, Stephen Knight, and then was like, no, I can't do it. And I think the big problem is, again, please, Ross, put all this at the end. What you need to do is that too many people are treating it with too much reverence. Yes. They're going in and they're like, they want to... satisfy everybody and they want to go oh i want to and you can see that disney are going you need to make this a four quadrant movie this needs to be a movie that

kids want to see that old fans want to see that parents want to take their kids to see you know this needs to appeal to everybody and it's too big it's too big for people to whereas things like Andor which is brilliant they've gone this is for an older audience I just want to see a Darth Vader film where he's killing loads of people. And that may yet happen, John. Yeah, I think that would be great. There is rumour that that may yet happen. Just a Darth Vader film where he's like...

walking around smashing stuff up. That's all I want to see. That was the Frankenstein film we watched. He did that a fair bit in Obi-Wan, in the Obi-Wan series. Oh, but the effects in that were shocking. But anyway, that's... Anyway, so we see the Excel sensor, and then we get... Yes. Yes. I have said, James. Oh, go on. No, no, no. So, yeah, there's a lot... Yes. I have said, James. Oh, go on. Anyway, so we see the Excel Centre, and then we get... Yes. We get introduced to...

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Mr. Rudyard Kipling's famous poem entitled Booth. Those of us who have never been engaged in actual warfare have very little idea of some of its worst horrors. One of the most terrible being the agonized impression made upon the minds of the infantry soldiers during the long force marches. Soldiers have been known to go absolutely insane with the everlasting fight.

of marching feet all around them. We are foot, slog, slog, slog, slogging over Africa. Foot, foot, foot. Foot flogging over Africa. Boots, boots, boots, boots. Moving up and down again. There's no discharge in the war. Seven, six, eleven. 5, 9 and 20 miles today, 4, 11, 17, 32 the day before. Boots, boots, boots, boots, moving up and down again. There's no discharge in the war. Don't, don't, don't, don't look at what's in front of you. Boots, boots, boots, boots, moving up and down again, men.

Men, men, men, men go mad with watching them. There's no discharge in the war. Count, count, count, count the bullets in the bandoliers. If you're... eyes drop they will get atop of you boot boot boot boot moving up and down again there's no discharge in the war we can stick Out, hunger, thirst, and weariness. But not, not, not, not the chronic sight of them. Boo, boo, boo, boo. Moving up and down again.

There's no discharge in a war. Ain't so bad to spy. Day because of company. But night brings long strings of 40,000 million boots. Boots. Boots, boots, moving up and down again. There's no discharge in the war. I have marched six weeks in hell and certified. It is not fire. devil's dock or anything but boots boots boots boots moving up and down again there's no discharge in the war try try try try to think of something different oh my god keep me from going lunatic Not! I do that.

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