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We were also there to talk about Messers, Purtwee, Manning, Nicholas Courtney, Roger Delgado, John Levine, Richard Franklin. So you two are there and I'm here. So what have you seen today out there, fellas? We're saying we're staying in a pub that it's extremely old. It's older than America, probably. So 100% John. There's not a lot of straight lines and the four boards are very one case almost a 45 degree angle to water the toilet.
All the bins here are Doctor Who themed. There's a Dalit. There's a Dalit being outside the pub. So they do not touch this. But if you press the button, you get a message from the local Paris Council in a darn voice. I'm coming to Old Bourne. I will record it and I will put it in here. The Dalits have come to Congo, all morning. When we join your Paris Council, it will become the super-enclined club. The Dalits, you will then obey us or you will be ex-Derminated.
So which pub are you in now? You're not in the club for the most part of your life. No, you can't stay in that one. I see a cry. But it's literally like two minutes away. You could run to it in under 30 seconds. Oh, amazing. Well, you can't run to the Devil's Hump. I said to James, let's go to the Devil's Hump first. Yeah. And he said, is that sort of a score, isn't it? Yes. Something like that. Yeah.
The Devil's Hump in both the Devil's and in real life is a... Demons, not the Devil's. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I've had a future. It's a burial mound. A tumeless. Okay. I said, okay, we'll go and we'll go and we'll walk to this. Where is it Ross? We've got five minutes to know the road. I said, right, fine. It was not five minutes now. The road dear, listen up. Twenty minutes walk. At least I'm actually having to walk on the road as cars traveling at 60 miles an hour plus.
The highest pastas. James leaping into the bushes at every... Generally, I feared for my life. Cleaver's idea of walking and everyone else's idea of walking is quite different. So here we are after a 20 minute walk along the very busy road. And very dangerous road. Yes. We just mean we thought we were going to get told off a tourist pass and buy a lady. And here we are. The Devil's Mound. How impressive is it James?
It's less of a mound and more of a slight dimple, I'd say. It's sizeable, but when you compare them to the barrows that you can go and have a look at, outside of Averybury and things such as that, it is not very impressive. So here I am at the Devil's Mound. We think or a burial mound near. I think this was it. It just doesn't look that high, but it's got lots of plants around it. So we find like Ross is showing me his phone going on. It's up here. It's up ahead here.
And there was like a break in the hedgerow and clearly a gate, which was locked shut, I should say. But you could move round and Ross went, oh it's fine. Look, there's a woman walking her dog in here. It's all right. So now we're in a ploughed field and Ross said, it's over here. So we're starting to walk towards it and then Ross went, well the woman's coming towards us. She's coming this way. She had a very excitable laparidol.
And she was going, don't worry about it. He's just excited. He's just excited. What are you doing here? And we said, oh, we've come to see the Neolithic burial mound. Well, it's interesting you should say that because I try to get my grandos to come and see this. But she was not very impressed because really there's not much there. And when I say there was not much there, dear listener, there was nothing there. There was no sign saying this is a Neolithic burial mound.
Ross says it's worth, are there some others? This woman then said, there are some other burial mounds, but they're up on the top of the hill. And she said, I'd say go and look at them. But there's a very good chance you'll be trespassing if you got there. And I just don't know if we are not going up there. I'm already traumatized having almost been hit by moving traffic three times on the wall here. In inappropriate footwear.
And I'm just class at you, James. Whenever we go anywhere, I go, if you got a coat now, I'm brought a coat. We went on a holiday in a Cornwall for a week and you just had a pair of flip flops and that was it. It was the summer. Yeah. One coat, one plate, one plate. And no coat for like a whole week. It's the summer. So you've been into the village itself as well. Yes. Have you seen Miss Hall-thorns cottage? Have you seen where Bach did his the various things?
Well, the thing is, John, you would expect that we've been talking about doing this for such a long time. We'll be planning for this, you know, and I turn up. I start talking to James about stuff. And then he admits we need to. So all of the references about May Poles and the helicopter. It's not no idea what I'm talking about. I got the helicopters as well. So we are now standing on the green outside the blue board, aka the, the clothing hook.
We are standing on the spot where the helicopter landed. We can see the, the cock. Sorry, it was the children shot out of the window. And this is also the spot where John Purtley was, uh, accosted by, um, what do you want to see? Wiccomen. No. Wiccomen? No. I don't know. I'm in scene a little bit. I mean, that, that's like, Mara's dancers. Oh, right. Okay. Well, it's a good job that we're not recording tonight because two out of three of us haven't done any fucking homework.
I don't know. I've done, I've watched too much for so many. It's much for me. Come on. There's five episodes. So you've shot this wet. So you're just going to win it tonight, won't you? John normally does. Okay. Well, um, I was like, John, John will know it. John will know it back some front. Yeah. And um, you can be watching the football while we're talking about it. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Well, it's good when the Mara's dancers turn up. Okay.
You've got a couple of days extra. Okay. Great. We're walking up to the church now. Yes. This is, um, Mr. Manchester, where the crypt is. I've seen that bit. Yeah. I've seen that bit when the guy from Munich gets freaked out by standing on like a sigil. Yeah. So we will be, but where are the sigils? Huh. Hold on. I often, when we do this podcast, John hasn't watched the film, but the rest because you and I have that balances out.
Yeah. And I said, I feel that John would have seen this episode, these episodes of Doctor Who, your big hoovian. Therefore, in this instance, I'm going to be the one who's going to sit out. But this utterly scandalized Ross. It was outraged at me. I got the gist. Well, but we're going to be recording early next week. He needs to watch. I promise I'll watch this. You're in darkest, deepest, darkest wheelchair. And what's what you're doing tomorrow, fellas? What's the plan for?
Don't know. Well, we get a breakfast as part of the, the, the, the, the value for money. The state of it tonight is that you do get a breakfast into the, the, the argument as well, which is lovely. So will we have a breakfast? I'm sure. And then we'll, uh, yeah. Well, the thing is it's all so close. Um, everything is like, going again. Everything is within three minutes walk of this hope of this, um, uh, pub. So apart from like the, the mound. So we got. You still there? Can you be?
Yes. Briefly, because it's, so we should probably stop. This image, dude. And a frozen screen. Hang on. The background, the noise. No, back of the noise. There is something a bit stony tapy about. It is. We think this place might be haunted because it's so much. Now it's just screaming. Uh-huh. Yes. It's not to be haunted, hasn't it? Yeah, I'm going off. Do you know Danny thingy? You know what's his name? Not Danny Boyle. Danny Robbins. Danny. Yeah. Yeah. You like Danny Robbins, though.
No, you can look over his shoulder. Exactly. We should pause this one there. If he puts it on, he's dropping it. Yeah. Yeah. So this, this, we will reconvene by the magic of the internet. Yes. There would be a bit of a tingly radio funnig work. It's not sound effect now. And we will go into the problem. I'm Britain. An ancient kingdom with legends of violence, cruelty, and torment in its blood. Join your hosts, Ross, John, and James, as they bravely tread with you with death.
Witness their journey into the horrific history of British horror. They are the general rich vinyls. So ladies and gentlemen, Godless and ghosts, welcome back to somehow. The 50th episode of the General Witch Fiders podcast. It's Halloween. Yeah. We here to do episode 50. What does it to that? Is this special Halloween episode for you? Amazing. Episode 50 Halloween. Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween. James in Bournemouth in southern England.
I'm John Pountney in South Wales, which is still in the south of us just gripping onto life. I am Ross and Dorchester in southern England. And this time we met the demon. Or the gay man's. It was a gay man. Why is it poor? It's really one demon, don't we? Yeah. But they suggest that a number of them had come to earth beforehand. Yes. If you want to say it like that. Bill Tain is come, tread softly. Follow the prince himself is nine. Devils end, very names in the ship of the spine.
There is something strange about Devils end. I conjure the encharge the assault, my rise, a rise of my command. Assault, assault, assault! You saw the devils. Satan and Lucifer, the prince of darkness, belled above the horned beast, calling what you like. He was there. But something was to happen, nobody knew the explanation. But nobody in the world, in the universe. Without a magic, wouldn't it? The man here is right, we're all in mortal danger. Everyone in the village.
Everyone in the whole world. Domination of a master of total annihilation. But this demon could destroy the world. Oh, my dear, pal. Be present here at my command, and truly do my will. As my will so willed be. Stop the bullets, don't, don't! The devil's wings there, five round red. Kill him, kill him, no! You'll kill me now, you are one of the glad eternity within the slurist into my words. Oh, baby! Oh, no! It says, the demons is the final story in the eighth season of Doctor Who.
With John Pertwi playing the eponymous hero, we love the word eponymous. The episode 48 covering the house that tripped blood for some fantastic per trivia. It aired over five weeks on BBC One from the 22nd of May to the 19th of June 1971. And more about that time and that era shortly. During which time Jackie Stewart won the Monaco Grand Prix. Blue Pizza buried a time capsule at BBC Television Centre. To be open to the distant future, space year 2000, incredibly.
And education secretary Margaret Thatcher ended free school milk for children over. Thatcher milk smelt there you go. Do you remember when they opened the blue pizza time capsule and it was all full of water? Yes, I did. And then they put Connie Huck down there and buried her alive. That does sound like a very mind who shan't it get married to. That does sound like a black mirror. So it says topping the charts during this time in the UK was knock three times by dawn.
We spent five weeks at number one and became the fourth best selling single of the year. In the demons, the master played by Roger Delgado and weakens the ancient horned alien Azal. Hoping to gain his immense power, Delgado, a close friend of Pertwee, worked extensively on stage TV film and radio. His work included the BBC's Quatermass 2, Battle of the River Plate, Hammers the Mummy's Shroud, and English dubbing for the horror express. See our uh, uh, uh, checking with that one in episode seven.
He often played villains in British Action Adventure series like Danger Man, Patrick McGuin, Danger Man, The Saints, The Champions and Radlon Hockerck deceased tragically Delgado, Died in a car accident in Turkey while filming a Franco German mini series. He was only 55 years old. Oh my god. No age. No, not at all. And again, the, what anyone who's around in their 50s now, in the past that would have been each generation. Yes. Yes. Yes. Quite.
And the only four years time when I'll be the same age as um, the, the argue wasn't the right kid. And we're all very quickly approaching the Meldru point, aren't we? Yes. Which, which, which, which, did you see who hit that? David Tennant, David Tennant. Yes. It was Matt Damon, a couple of months back. Which is really. Yes. Insanely. Right. So it says the demons began as an audition scene for Joe Grant, played by Katie Manning and was later reworked into episode four.
Really? Manning attended Miss Dixon, Miss Wolf School for Girls, becoming close friends with Liza Manelli with Zets. Yeah. She's so, she's socialized with stars like James Mason, Doug Bogart and her tea with Noel Cowards at the Savoy. As a teenager. And TV's John Pountney. Oh, really? Is this not made it to the podcast? Oh, yeah. Okay. Finish the script James. Okay. We'll fill that. Okay. My, my new shy of my life.
And as a teenager, she modeled for Bieber and dated Jimmy Hendrix, Richard Air, David Trouton, Derek Foltz, Stuart Bevan, Peter Barnes, who was a Rod Stewart's keyboard player. Ross, Ross has gone really into depth and detail about her life. Yes. She's done an amazing life. Yeah. We just need to point out. To pick it up. Yeah. The amazing thing she's done in her life is.
Yeah. Okay. Cool. And she had a close bond with Perpwy who would pick her up daily for filming either in his car or on his motorbike, but she would ride Pylian. They even raced with Dick Emory. Oh. And so Ralph Richardson to see who could reach the BBC Studios first. Brief pause of every and dear listener for this one. For a weird bit of a synchronicity about this is that whilst I was watching the episode of Doctor Who. There's a bit in which there's a van with a kind of sliding open door.
Now, insanely, as I watched that, I thought, for a while, my dad used to work delivering and fitting carpets. And he drove one of those fans. No way. And wait for it. And a Bournemouth's Cemetery Junction, which is a set of lights and there's about three lanes. And going straight ahead, one going off to the left, one going off to the right. Dad was in the one lane with the van door open. Dick Emory pulled up alongside him in a soft top rose voice.
Dick Emory was down in some a season, apparently. But dad looked down at him and went rev to his engines and went fancy a burn up to Dick Emory. He tossed his head back and laugh. And he was talking about dad's says, I wonder if he said fuck off. My dad says he tossed his head back and laugh. So that's good enough for me. My dad had one of these fans of the sliding doors as well. And as you said, when it was hot, you just drive along the door open. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's more care about it.
It's better for God of Jeans. You know who's in the back seat of the Rolls-Doh James? Who? Your grandfather with Diana Doors. He'll rest in handcuffs. Very, very good. Right, OK. After three years on Doctor Who, Manning left to pursue other acting work. But we were sat in a bargey, citing your exit in Delgado's death. There's two major reasons for leaving the show a year later.
Producer Barry Letts wanted to write a story about Black Magic to tap into the zeitgeist of the age of Aquarius and frightened young viewers. However, script editor Terence Dix had concerns it might be seen as Satanist. The story was revised to focus on a scientific threat with occult themes. Originally, the master was to worship the demon in a church, but to avoid offending religious viewers at our Magic Mary White House.
The scenes were moved to a crypt later referred to as a cavern, though the set remained crypt-like. Yes. Let's co-wrote the script with playwright Robert Sloman under the pseudonym Guy Leopold as the BBC frowned on production staff writing for their own shows. One of the serial was filmed on location in Old Bourne Wiltshire, of course, quite with two weeks allocated for filming, more than double the usual time leading to more outdoor scenes.
The cast included comedy actress Dmarris Heyman, more on her at the end of it, I think, who starred as Miss Hawthorne. Heyman had an interest in the supernatural and served as an unofficial adviser on the production. A friend, practicing which praised the accuracy of the script. A future-sirty puppeteer Matthew Corbyt had a brief role in the final episode as a hooded coven member who objects the Joe Sacrifice.
Nice. Corbyt, whose great uncle was Harry Ramson, a fishing chip fame for our non-brissing listeners, Harry Ramson is a large fishing chips kind of changed. But is it still going? I feel like I've been a wicker, I thought I thought he was old. Oh, really? Because there was one in Cardiff once, I think they spent a lot of money on expansion. And then it went all went to shit. They went too big too quick. Yeah, they're a bit of my borders. Remember borders? Yes, I do.
I used to wear them, I didn't like it. Did you? Yes. Several years from that three years. Did too much too young, didn't they? I did during my ill-fated PhD stint. That was running out of money and enthusiasm. That's what James met, does the corner? Oh, I did not personally meet De So Conner. I was in the store the day he came in. Which celebrity to be met whilst? I was going to be with him.
Well, I will say the top one, the nicest person, and you will, I'm sure many, many people will be, especially in this country, will be pleased to hear this. Paul White House is an absolute gentleman. Well, she? Yes, Barry in mind, I was sort of 23 and nobody. He came downstairs and hung out, was chatting away to me for ages, talking to me about the far show, talking to me about his time creating loads of money.
Because I said to him that my great sadness was I said, oh my god, if I tried so hard to find it. But I said, I think it's like in a box in my parents' house somewhere. I said, but I had a copy of loads of money. He's wadden peeps. And he went, oh my god, and he said, have you got that? And I said, well, I've got it somewhere. I said, I would love to decide it. And he went, oh, I'm not sure I would have wanted to see it. I'd be perfectly honest.
So you're only bearing in mind, no, he chatting away for ages. He was lovely. So Paul White House. Nice. Absolutely top of the shop. Top top man. The science fiction slash fantasy writer, David Eddings, came in and was okay if a bit miserable. Who else came in? Who was the, this is great for our listener, isn't it? Dick Smith. No, no, no, no. Carl Fogarty is the name of the popular motorbike writer. And John, he was tiny. Well, I see. He was Alfin. Yes. Foggy. Yes. So he came in.
The aforementioned Dez Okona came in. Yeah. The psychic barber, the guy who ended up taking over from Nelly loves death. Oh, yeah. You know, he took over from him on most faunts it. Yeah, yeah. And he came in and Colin Frye. Yes. Colin Frye came in and me being the shine retiring man that I am, even at that age, I was always always thought that do you want me to do the introductions this evening? Yes. No one else. So I'd go, good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you so much for coming to Boardersborne this evening. I'm very, very thrilled on behalf of the store to welcome an absolute, you know, whoever, give it up for them. Hey, you know, so they always used to like me to do that sort of thing. But I got called in and they said, James, can you just go to the back room a minute? And Colin Frye is in there with his agent and other sort of hangar on. And they said, can you just make absolutely clear before you go out there?
Colin will happily answer questions concerning the supernatural, but he will not be giving any readings to see. So he's not just going to make up some stuff off the top of his head. They're like normal then, but of course I was younger and not quite, not quite so gone. I still with us Colin Frye. I believe so. He's always. He's always. Like Sam. Yeah. You got it. Right. Yeah, he's so that was that old Jordan came in. I didn't meet Jordan. No, she's not. No Colin Frye. All right.
Well, there you are. I was going to say that's a bombshell. He's been dead nine years. Wounds. Okay. I thought you might have passed having some kind of psychic bathroom in the never-world or dare. At the moment. He's from he would. He's from he would see. So he might have known Swade. Wow. There you are. There's an outside shot. That's what a Libby amazing one. Yeah. I don't know. I'll see what he died of. I must also point out despite the fact that life is. It's a bit of a sad.
Despite the fact that life has turned into sort of like a bit of a comedy shambles. Yeah. I must say everyone who spoke to her said Jordan was absolutely lovely too. Oh, really? And when's the agent was trying to like going, come on, come on. We've got to wrap this up now. She said, absolutely not. She said, I'm not leaving until what I've spoken to every single person that's come to see me. So I don't know if she's different now, but yeah. So young Jordan was surprisingly nice.
I wasn't here for this one, but everyone says and this doesn't surprise me. So Jamie Oliver was an asshole. Of course he is. Yeah. Gammon faced. He's standing up. Yeah. Fat hung. What? Be the face. Trying to tell me. Dave Ronner's gone. Clear off, mate. Just because loads of kids took the piss out your chicken nuggets. You're mad on sugar against sugar. Depressing the rest of the country. Anyway, sorry, sorry, sorry. We've gone off on on an aside. So we're on the skirt. James.
Okay, right about about 30 seconds. No, we're getting closer. So we. It says studio taping for the day for the demons was completed on the 16th of May 1971, just weeks before the final episode aired. That's me. This episode included footage of a model church being blown up. Of course, which is so realistic that it prompted viewer complaints.
Yeah. If the clip of the Brigadier's helicopters crashing into their heat shield looks familiar, it was borrowed in inverted commas from the James Bond film from Russia with love. No way. Yeah, it was an outtake from a former specialist effect shot from Russia Reloved. I thought that that was really well kind of pulled off. Yeah, yeah. That's incredible. Wow. And they just downloaded that off the internet.
Yeah. Now, I think I should point out that the outset here, this is the one that I'm a slight disadvantage for because my my two fine co hosts here are whovians, both the bowed whovians, I would say. I don't know. These days, just. Okay. Well, you know, maybe the love is is growing dim. Yeah. Me by comparison, my doctor who experience is slight. So I'm coming at this from a very. Oh, that's okay. That's a good way to come at you. I think that's a good way. This is way more into nude who.
So my you two. Yeah. I can't get nude who I will be knew you. You. You. You. No, we don't want to talk about you and the BBC. Do it. You Stevens. Yeah. So I don't watch too much classic doctor who. I even though it's way better. Yeah. Well, I would say this is my favorite from what I've seen of classic. This is my favorite story. Yes. I think it's really. It's really. It stands up and it's really, really good. I think it's the production phase. Fantastic.
I think from the outset, we can say or I can say speaking personally that I found this far more superior and far more enjoyable than the horror of Fang Rock that we watched. Oh, God. Yes. Way back. Well, that's probably apart from like bitch, you probably would have seen as a kid. Yes. I imagine those, these are the two classic thoughts who thought you think and, um, and you prefer a bit of perpetrator. I know. Oh, and I bet that the top three.
The one time there was that period when do you remember like UK gold? Yes. Yes. UK gold was every Sunday they would show a complete. Sick five or six episode. They were. Yeah. And they put on Genesis at the Daleks when I was really hung over once. Yeah, but it was one of those hangovers where I was just absolutely displayed out on the couch. I really couldn't even move so far. You know, I think I had a can of coke. You know, that's always my hangover cure, dear listener. Um, it is.
So we got a can of. And just thought I can't even bother to turn over so I'll see where this one goes. So I've got to touch these two wires together. Do I have the rights? All of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen that one as well. Yes. Um, that is very depressing and too way too long. Yes. Yes. Lots of backwards and forwards. Is it like seven parts and it should be like four parts. Yeah. But I think five parts for this. What's really well? Yes. I think it could have been four.
But I changed my opinion as we got to the end. But we do start with spooky stuff going on. Yes. It's a great start. We got the thunder and lightning very very frightening. Because all the, um, graveyards. Yeah, man gets killed and then we, um, the big it sort of the start of a, a sort of recurring theme on the dot to be incredibly patronized in it and, um, Yes. And horror boots. Yes. Did you know that I've made that note? Yeah. So essentially Joe is talking about this is the Asia request and.
Yes. And the, the cults, um, everyone seems to be into the occult. We've been with it pretty much kind of the site guys we got now. Yeah. And also the theme of this podcast if you cast your minds back to track very much. Very much so, very much so, James. Exactly the same ethos behind it, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of the Quatimus stuff. Oh my god. So more on that. We, we basically see Bessie, the doctor's yellow roadster. H-W-O-I, I think it is or is it W-V-O?
Oh no, that's, um, that's the human being. I think it's who won. Um, it's driving itself. And then the reveal is that the doctor has got an impossibly small remote control device in his pocket. And in the pocket of his special, his, his, his, his, his, it's over all to you. Yes. Yes. A pretty shit. Did you wear that one if you do any work on your car, John? Yeah, 100%. And this is where is this? Do we think this is units? Yeah, that's a unit. Yeah, that's a unit. Garages, isn't it?
Yeah, unit garages. And we also in this episode do see more of the inside of the unit. That's, that's, um, it's a very big unit. It's a, um, a unit. Uh, dingy, impossible. Dinging, impossibly dingy unit HQ, which is a very weird, it's an office block team with some really weird, neoclassical columns. It's just like what is that set meant to be like the mess room has got a coffee machine, a TV. And it is, but it's that the master's tardis in there. Maybe potentially.
James was asked me about about you know, I was basically saying what it was aware of them saving money and just using the same not going off to any implants all the time and having a recurring kind of the unit family. You're a family.
Yes. If you think this is meant to be like the unified, no, that's in the United Nations, United Nations intelligence task boss, when they called it the unified whatever the fuck it is a new doctor who I turned into the guy watching the Fred Grundy or whatever his name is and I put my foot through that TV. Anyway, you know United Nations intelligence task, which is essentially all so you would imagine this is all the the specialist people from all the countries in the United Nations.
You do have corporal bell, who's a woman, but you do really pretty much have Brigadier. Brigadier by Merra. A little much later on in the unit family, we're talking about here. You've got the Brigadier, Nicholas Courtney, you've got John Levine as Benton, you've got Richard Franklin as Mike Yates. And that's pretty much it. You've got Joe and you've got the doctor. Yeah. And that is the structure of a lot of the purtwee era. The first couple of seasons at least if not into his third season.
And I think it works brilliantly. Well, you've got to just like forget about the fact that this is meant to be like this elite. Yes. But it is, it's just a nice little nice little gang isn't it? It's in, it's so cozy. And there's a lovely scene at the end where Mike Yates asks the Brigadier if he fancies a dance and he says, no, I'd rather have a pint. And I think, wow, what a bunch of guys to hang an outfit. This is meant to be the army and they're off for a pint. But yeah, yeah.
But it's brilliant. So just before we go away from Bestie Drive and herself, how did they do that? They had a dwarf in the foot world probably steering it. I honestly don't know, but it does look surprisingly good, isn't it? It's better than night ride to drive around. You can see the man sitting behind the seat in night ride. I covered in black belt.
Yeah. Right. So what I did think was interesting and of course that little scene sets up the theme really of the of the whole arc, which is as presented to us by the late Arthur C. Clarke, who said, you want to give us three laws of science fiction, which says, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. So if I go in a little Sri Lanka, can I? Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I imagine his estate could be rather litigious.
Yes. So we don't want the 50th episode to be the last episode. Cleaver's podcasting from his shed. A lot of the things we've watched from this era have been about the duality of science versus the occult. Yes. And whether and you know, whether key characters believe in X, Y, or Z, often in these films, it's scientific men who were turned to horror. Yes. Whereas this goes the opposite way, doesn't it? And it's so much stuff on here, which feels like it's been lifted from other things.
So we then told that there's going to be an excavation of a burial mound, which seems like everyone in the country is really excited about the happening. Yeah. And also everyone knows about it. So if it was like in the world of Dr. Who, the devil's mound is like a famous place. On BBC 3, that's not for girls. Yeah, on BBC 3, because this is set in the 1980s. Yes. Is it? Yeah. Supposedly. Yes. Wow. Yeah. So it's meant to be like the near future.
So there's a whole sort of like confusing thing about like when it's just actually what what the unit timeline it's called. Yeah. You can you can go into a rabbit hole if you want James, the rest of your entire life. Yeah. Explain that way. I was just a podcast today and they were saying, if this was the 1980s, everyone in unit must be the most unfactionable people. But obviously this part, this aspect is massively lifted from quite a mess in the bridge. It was.
Which is what I thought as I was watching it. They're watching exactly the same thing happening on TV. But in a tube station. Yeah. Yeah. And to be honest, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Fine with that. And actually, I think maybe because of where I come from, having it, they're excavating a burial mound is more relatable to me than they're excavating something in a tube station. So the doctor is dismissive against about all of this mumbo jump into. The magic.
Until they mention the name of the place and then he's like, they can't open that up. And I've got to get there now to stop them doing it. And then explain why is it exactly that that's what I was going to say. And does he hear Miss Hall thorn at this point and is she on the tally saying that they should they shouldn't open it. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was quite nice when the way they were showing the outside broadcast covering this. It made me think of those.
I feel like that sort of that kind of was often in like Motley Python where they would have like a film live outside broadcast. Yes. Men with cagools and clipboards and stuff and lights. And yeah. But also with great thoughts. So this is an area where the dots as artists have worked. So if the dots are to get somewhere, he would take two couple of episodes to get there. So he drives in Bessie.
Yeah. And then as we see on the way that signs magically turn and things, things are trying to avoid stopping them getting there, aren't they? Later on, does the Brigadier, when they ring him up, for some unknown reason, he's in bed. Yes. Well, that's interesting. I wouldn't have bring that up because the Brigadier was getting ready to go to like some kind of party and then we're kind of like racing the eyebrows about.
Yeah. And then when it all starts kicking off, no one, they said, well, he went, but no one knows where he went. When he left. No. And then they cut him in a bed, but you don't see it's anyone left in the bedroom. And it's also daytime where they are and it's and he's in bed in the dark. And then also when he realizes that his chopper has been taken, there's the most overly dramatic crash zoom. It's so small the helicopter I could never leave.
When you see helicopters now, they're massive and I looked at that and I thought that's literally like a mini engine with a box on it and a peller, isn't it? Yeah. And that's like what? And that stayed in the air. Yeah. So anyway, I just signed back when I did a brother, a helicopter flying lesson. And she got to fight as well, but it was based in one of those things. It was so realistic. No led death trap. No led man's death trap. Yeah. It's a next game show he brings. I carried.
Yeah, as we were watching this. So I felt what's her name again? Who's the lady who's the who's the who's the who's the Joe Grange? Oh, Oh, Damir is same and yes, a forward slash Miss Hawthorne. Yes, so Miss Hawthorne, I felt at the time and I watched it. I said she is like Phoebe Walla Bridge, 1.0. She's like the original fee, you know, kind of slightly plummy when to do tall, greedy English rose.
Yeah. And I thought and then John pointed out to me, how old was she when she made this to literally like younger than we are? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She was one of the original centrenine girls as well. I mean, you can't make this yet that she is that young, but obviously she's they've whited her hair and they've put her in like quite doubly clothes and stuff. But it's wild, isn't it? Yeah. People in the past who were young look 65 or 70. Yeah, we're probably older than the book idea.
I imagine. Oh, easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially so the doctor and Joe have gone off to all want to try and stop them opening this very amount at midnight. Yes. Everyone's trying to everyone's trying to interfere with them. There's a great bit when they go to the pub to try and get directions because Joe's got them lost and apparently that's based on a true story.
But the only time Pertree and Manning got an argument was when they would go and spend and she got I'm lost on it on a she was Matt Reed and so they wrote that into the script. Brilliant. There's a great bit where the people in the pub think that they're John Perry's with the TV people because they see me playing a costume in a wig. It's brilliant. It's brilliant. I think the comedy and the kind of homeliness of this.
Yeah. The writing is so deaf and clever that it just maldened up to who really Oh, just doesn't. No, I can't even go to work. It's red from now on. Yeah, you don't like maldened up to who? Well, I haven't even watched the new season because I watched the trailer and I was just like this isn't for me. I acknowledge that it's not for me. It's not aimed at me. You got 58 50 odd years of stuff. What exactly? It's still like classic. Have you ever seen anything?
Yes. What I loved about the pub is that they've got a massive TV above the bar. Yeah. And I like to see that because obviously we saw that in Quaternum last on the pit. And it's like imagine and I'm not talking about whatever. What a TV's called now. Are they LEDs? No, are LCDs or something? Yeah, so yeah, so a flat screen TV. What you're talking about here is a massive like cathode ray tube TV on a shelf, which probably took four grown men to lift it. Yes, they were that heavy, weren't they?
Yeah. And they just thought that's great. I'd love to see one of those in a pub these days. Just to all gather around and watch and question time with Robyn Day or something like that. We should mention that Miss Hallforn has gone to the quite a bit of the local Vicar to complain about the opening up this burial ground. But he's been he's mysteriously disappeared and we were replaced by a new Vicar who is the the the master. Yes, we look strangely familiar with his some Peter Salas spacks on.
Yeah. I think the master looks great as a Vicar. That's a good look. Yeah. Never bettered. And that's again, modern doctor who really just the john sim doctor when you watch this master you just like did they need to fly into the sky after eating a load of turkey or could they literally just have like an actor? It was interesting today though. I've been watching David Tannet with the kids. What does that mean? You've got him like a lot of you got him. A lot of you just watching it.
Why should they return the ear over the kids? Yeah. And this is just point where Tannet's my youngest daughter is just has is old enough to actually like understand what's going on. And she was looking and she goes who's that? And she saw who was you catching daddy? She was looking at some other I was some other doctor who stuff on the eye player and she said who's that she pointed to such a Dewar and I said that's the master. She was noticed not. And I said to her well the master's a time lord.
Yeah. So what happens when they die? And she was like. Hey, we can't so get a mind that John Stimms was the one and only master. And then really? Yeah. So the revelation that he there will be more than one master that was it was great seeing that realization. Yes. Well of course. Have I dropped this truth bomb into the podcast before that I was a pen pal with Anthony Aindley.
But yeah for some time I did exchange letters with Anthony Aindley when I would have been about 11 or 12 and he sent me photos and he sent me book covers and stuff that were all signed. I've got them all somewhere really nice letters and I can't remember why I stopped writing but it's just one of those things that you think why did I stop writing? Or maybe he stopped writing. Yeah, maybe he said no that's it. Please stop writing. I've got everything I've got. I've been really guilty.
And I still remember his address now from somewhere in London which I think was number two in a day or drive. Oh, because he used to he had a special sticky label that he did he just he did love having that part I think. Yes. Yeah very much so I think he took great. I think it's interesting how some actors are really worried about being like cast and then some actors just like embrace as I well you know I'm getting so many people love the fact that I'm doing this.
I'm just gonna answer your annuals. Yeah. Yes. I think Anthony and me enjoyed a payday. Jonathan Turner brought him back all the time and all that Anthony and me actually cared about was cricket test cricket. So if you could watch test cricket I think he was happy I'm sure that I'm not misremembering that but I'm yeah so I keep. Can you mount a story while I'm at one? So the Katie Manning story is and you can put this in at the start if you want.
I ran a recording studio in Cardiff about 13 14 years ago and I know Gary Russell and Scott Hancock who at the time started at the Gary Russ TV's Gary Russell edited Doctor magazine and used to review the books and I think was the script editor when Doctor came back. And more important life was what are the young boy in dark towers. Yeah he's also in dark towers and he was also in the famous five.
Yeah. And then Scott Hancock I think was the script editor for the the current season of Doctor who with Choudi Gatwa but that I haven't watched. But so they used to work for big finish and I said to them guys if you want to come into my recording studio I can give you a very very reduced rate as long as you bring in some Doctor who stars and basically they did the picture of Dorian Gray with Alex Flahos which was in Merlin.
Merlin and he was also in Versailles so I did all of his promo photography but in his first episode of Dorian Gray was TV's Katie Manning which absolutely blew my mind. That I had managed to get to the point where I could get TV's Joe Grant into my recording studio.
We had a fun day she was wearing gloves the whole time never took them off and it was really nice to meet her and we had a real laugh doing this this drama because it was just I don't think they were used quite to how sit up and beg the studio was but I think they had a really fun day and and I was just amazed to see Katie Manning like. What's your favourite star struck? I'm generally never star struck because I see myself on the
same level as these people. Yeah. If not above them. It's going to say yeah. So I'd be star struck to meet like Francis Bacon or like Losing Boy but they're dead. Yeah so I get incredibly star struck and I know you do. You get star struck to literally meet like Barry from East Ender so where are we? Yeah they open up the open up the tomb and a big window comes out. A big wind comes out. Doctor is frozen. Yeah. If frozen solid and the master is doing some kind of like
you see something well you can't see what it is. You see a ritual. Something giant is a ritual. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Something's growing in the grip. There's some quite good POV shots in this isn't there where it's a very high like crane shot looking down on the master. Was this done in TVC? I think so. Yeah. It's like that kind of crane shot used to see at the start of doing life. Well no like top of the pops with like David Bowie or like someone the camera
was swooping on them. Yeah. So they are like. And I want to call like Delgado just his facial expressions and his reactions to obviously stuff he can't see. Yeah brilliant. It's really good. Yeah. Yeah. In general he looks like someone said that the master is like a cosplay. So essentially he's just like going through time and space and like. Yes. Oh I'm going to just like I'm going to pretend to be a vicar and start like some kind of right-synthetic cult because I want to you know
just fun. Yeah. I think the bunch of country bumpkins. Yes. More on them in a bit. Yeah. There's been like very it's very bumpkin isn't it? Yeah. And I think that the production team saw certainly saw Puerto Rican Delgado as homes and Moriarty and then there's a lot of Puerto Rican dressing up. He dresses up as a cleaning lady in the green death famous league. And I think they saw. What was the code? Yeah and I think they saw Delgado
as the same you know as Moriarty that he could wear disguises. Even though he's disguising this as a pair of glasses and a vicar's outfit and a vicar's outfit. So yeah if you've not seen him before you wouldn't recognise him. But if you have seen him as the kind of intergalactic villain you'd probably say that well that's the master just wearing some glasses. Yeah.
I'm very. And what I was thinking does the does the doctor always turn up when the master's doing something or have there been times with time through history where he's just he's just got away with it. Well yes I think that these things are mentioned. I think Colin Baker's doctor
mentions times like that. But it is yeah I mean it is a bit of a strange story arc isn't it for I think that this season was the first one where they'd really tried a story arc where I think the master is in every story and it is like oh the master's in this story again and he's the villain. Oh the master's the villain in this one as well and it's like so obviously when we're watching it now you don't think of it like that because we haven't watched the entire rest of the season.
But you think yeah what you know what was he doing on planet X or whatever to to cause offense to people. Him and the Rani of course. We won't mention further because she's not in this story. So the doctor is for it and so everyone thinks he's dead. At this point it goes quite weird doesn't it with the continuity that the professor Horner that we've seen you'd never see again. No one even tried to revive him. No he's a dick isn't it? Yeah I am. Yeah I am dying.
And then at the start of episode two this is the BBC just like yeah we've packed up now we're going. There's no investigation. There's no like health and safety. All there is is one copper that turns up. He's possessing me. Yeah he um no no no he he gets squashed by a zal coming out with the spaceship. He hammers a sign onto a gate using a piece of rock and then he gets his sandwiches out and I thought god these people are worse than yokals. He can't even afford a
fucking hammer. But when you loved to live in a town where like the crime was so low that yes yeah exactly. Yeah so something tall it's is stomping around the the countryside. Yes. Miss Horner seen it. Yeah. Unit are actually watching the rugby which is on at midnight apparently. Yes of course it is. And then they turn over to see that scum five. That the BBC are still showing the doctor has been frozen to death and
Joe is like weeping over his body. Yes. And they still haven't cut away from this at this point. No. They can't find the brigadier so they decide that they're going to steal the guy down. They go down there. The doctors dead also they get someone some medical person to look at him so they just they didn't take him to the doctor's office is they just. No they're going in the pub on it. Yeah correct. Yeah and James we've been in the pub which that has meant to be.
And I think it's a pretty good. Well they were pretty similar. They had two separate bars didn't they? Yeah. So we were in the other part. They would have had a lounge and like a smoke in a snuff. Yeah. Oh lovely. Yeah. Why aren't pubs like that anymore? It just was fun there. And when we were in there. I think if you're if you're one of our patrons you see this they had a wonderful local like old Vaughn area local publication. Yeah. I know what
it's just had a picture of a tracer on the front which is amazing. And it was so so slight. It was really like oh Mr. Jones at 27 has trips over and cut his knee. However he thanks everyone for their well wishes he's fine. You know it's that level in use report it was fantastic. I don't know if there is any kind of a cult vibes in that building. But when I did go in there I had the incredible stomach ramps and I had to go sit on the toilet for quite a long time.
Oh my god. I thought I was I was going to I had a peniside as an I thought I'm going to have the cool an ambulance. I'm going to hospital. Yeah but I recovered after a couple of points. So it's alright. So what was it? IBS. No, just a bit of wind I think. Oh god. I had such bad IBS one so thought I'd had a heart attack on the way to Tesco. Yes. Oh full. 20 years ago
no still yes. Yeah. I don't think it was a heart attack. But the doctor starts they they realize that the doctor is not actually there because they can hear his two hearts. Two hearts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I looked and I thought when when do we first find out that the doctor as a character is too hard and it's spearhead from space. Oh, which is jumper. It was first story. First four part and it's the only one ever to be shot
totally on 16 millimeter film. I think that was about a florist I think. Lovely to bring that old fact back. Episode 50. Yeah. What I want to mention at this point is that the Masters henchmen are all very dodgy and they just look like the local milkman or like yeah. Yeah. Just the local kind of village idiot as you used to say. The furcher who is told up a shot. I thought she had a furcher in great Britain who's got access
through shotgun. But yeah, well come on to that. But in a minute because unit starts to investigate don't they with the doctor incapacitated. Yes. And the brigadier offer a mysterious party in a verse of commerce. There may have been some keys put in a bowl. We don't know. There may be some pamphus grass outside. We just start the key through the helicopter. The keyster is early copso which I also notice this probably won't mean anything to you too. But amazingly
because of course it had unit but it also had G on the front. And of course G unit. Was the rapper 50. Fitty sense hip hop basement. And I think when that be amazing. And now you are James you're totally right. G unit. It's got a little past on its face. Yeah. Yeah. They used to play that son in jumping jacks. Yeah. This is where I got shot by a Dalek. It was cyber and whatever you were. Whoever you want. Yes. So anyway that did make me
chuckle. Yes. So yeah, we then have this point when they go to investigate what's happened at the church. Yes. And they flown in in the helicopter. Yes. The two unit. Just landed in the green. No one comes up at the house to see what's going on. And what? No. That's what I thought. But also why are they in cities at this point? They're both dressed like the brotherhood of men. They've both got like flares. Like a mind. A mind. Wind. Wind cheaters.
I think they used to be called. And so why aren't they in uniform? They're the army. I thought like they look like they were in the band stereo lab. Yeah. That's my pursuant. So what do they do then? They go. Well, this is the one bit that they can't tell the difference between them. So it's going to be quite good. Yeah. So what goes to see the doctor and what goes to investigate the with Joe. Yeah. Yes. And whilst he's with the one is with Joe, they go down into the crypts.
I only defined the the aforementioned merger turns up with a shotgun. Yes. And we then get one of a couple of extraordinary fighters. This is this is Sergeant Benton. Yeah. A list TV's John Levine. And as it was happening, this was one of the first things. I thought, okay, so when was this shot? And who would have known that this scene predates the making of Bruce Lee's Enter the Dragon by two years? Do you have the most low five kung fu
sort of option up imaginable? Like he knocks like so the Virger is behind him with the shotgun. And he sort of does like a reverse kick. Yeah. Yeah. Slap down on the shotgun. Yeah. And then they cut then kind of wrestle in a really bizarre way. And you do think the guy from Units should win. He's a trained military man. Yeah. Yes. Basically the Virger. The Virger. The Virger. The Hippercise Peds at Virger. But the fight is brought to an abrupt
hole when the Virger steps on what looks like a sigil. And then we get some of the amazing incidental music. Yes. And he sort of paralyzed by fear. Yeah. And my notes say, and I'm speaking from experience here, dear listener, that the sigil on the floor looks an awful lot like the first slide that you'd get on a whole school assembly about multi-faith worship. There is there's a they've incorporated the sort of the Jewish star. The Christian cross. There's all sorts going on.
It looks like that we did destroy every shop in Dastinbury. Yes. Yes. Yes, it does. Well, every religion has a horned beast. That's what we find out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then so then Joe is captured. The guy from unit is captured. And then I've just put my next my next note is just say crash zoom into the into the Brigadier's face. Yes. And that's when he learns about his Helicopter
being yes. In bed. I wondered if at this point and they used to do this with Doctor who quite often I wondered if John Purt we was on holiday at this point. Because he doesn't do much in this entire episode really does he he's in bed. That's a little laid down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which they used to do with Hartnell a lot because early Doctor who was on so much. They did 52 episodes a year, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah. It was on like three quarters of the year. They'd have stories where
like the Doctor would slip and spray his ankle. And then you wouldn't see him for two episodes besides like the producer in a William Hartnell wig. Or they would do one where one of the companions um changes face face. Yes. I think that's when Fraser Hines had something like Cluracy or something. And that's sorry. Better to get a guy in to change it to stand there. I'm the one I'm Tom Baker got her piece and there's the pretend that he got attacked by a dog
because he had. Because it's like we saw around his mouth. Oh no. When was that? I'm not sure at some point. It is 10 years later. Quite a night out in so over the top. He was very he was very ill in his final season and his hair went straight and they they had to perm his hair. Because they thought they thought he was dying obviously. Entropy John. Entropy. Yeah. Well yeah. That's that's it's that season. And if you notice from
that from the ledger hive to look lookopolis in that season. He starts to look fucking awful and his hair is purged. It's awful isn't it? How much in force in that poor man's of purpose hair? And he's still with us now and he's about 900 years old. And another long night in the colony room that one in there. One thing I wanted to say here is that it's very much like the dodgy BBC to not investigate the deaths of the people on the man. Yeah. I never mentioned
again. They don't have the news people coming into a rescue. Well they can't because it's just when the heat shield comes up. Well I think the heat shield might come down around now. Yeah. And I've said. As the cup of sea they see hoof marks don't they? As a blinding which I remind them. You remember it's always in the unexplained or the 14 times about when those hoof marks are seen all across southern England like the hundreds. Well it's this
it's this it's actually the zalas come out of this mound. Yeah. So I've said with when the brigadier is in bed is he in Geneva because he often used to go to Geneva. He often used to and I put the name of the sex rugby went to or the band he was in the 90s. But um Benton is better is better by a yoke. And then the Virgil is vaporized. Does that mean does that mean Boc comes in at that point? I can't remember what um yes. What happens? Because
I love Boc. I thought Boc was the revelation of this entire. So what I was fantastic. Well I was in the physical presence. When I was looking to stop it said on the on the internet that Boc was played by um played by Toby Jones. As I to ask my friend who's really into that too is it is that true? And I just got loads of ha ha ha ha. I think Boc is the revelation. He's brilliant. Whoever played Toby Jones. Whoever played. I just thought wow like it's a guy
in like a wetsuit with a happy and masher head. Oh, who manages to look really malevolent and weird. Yeah, but also playful. We care like it's just horrible. So we should explain Boc is a guard guy. Yeah, we should. Yes. We come to life. Sometimes it's a little storm in his mouth sometimes he doesn't. There's so much material in this isn't there? It's like what imaginations thought to pull this stuff? I mean yes, as we've said that they've gleaned a
load of stuff and other stuff. But I think they've put it together in a really kind of magical way. And Boc is a unique thing and I just think wow, I loved him. Like let's have Boc the return. Let's have a story arc in the new series where it's just Boc. If you get finished to do a Boc spin off. But Caratjane, it's one of your own Swindon. To be honest James, they've probably done it already. Like big finish or literally do anything.
So a milkman is trying to drive into Oldbourne or more devil's end. In a 10s commercial I think it's cool. Sliding door again. But then he is car explode and you realise that there's a big what gets found out because you and it trying to get into the town as well. There's a heat shield around the town very much like the the middle of the roof. Yes, the village of the dam where people can't enter the where is the dam off. You'd fall asleep if you went past the line.
On this one some kind of like explosive will happen. Like the big rigged here but this is what's that stick for which? Swagger stick on Swagger Cain. And obviously there's a bit of an exploit a technical on the end. A brilliant practical effect. What on the stick was so much you could see the fuse wire on it. But when they were throwing rocks into it and they exploded. That was works really well. Yeah, works brilliantly. Yeah. And then there's a bit of
opportunity to get a plane to fly over it to see how high it is. Yes, I think it's a GE electric lightning. Oh, well, the plane at the end of 28 days later as well. Yes, yeah, probably. Actually, it shouldn't be the GE electric lightning. I think it should be the general electric lightning. Which is one of the fastest jets ever at that point. Just like a rocket with like a seat attached to it. You have it in your top drum. Yeah, you don't want to know about my top drum.
I like a bit where Miss Hallthorn and Benton go back into the pub and hot sweet tea is advised. He's doing a Benton which is the doctor with all his scientific knowledge. Yeah, sweet sweet tea. Like he's just given blood or something. Yeah, so there is a point where the doctor gives a slideshow to explain amazing. Where did he get these slides from? She brought them in Miss Hallthorn.
I'm holding them in. Yeah, it's her collection. So this is where we get the exposition to explain that all food time humans have had like beings of power having horns. Yes, all food history. And the doctor reveals that the human race has been very much like in the alien prequels. The human race has been nurtured through their evolution by an alien race. Not just like the alien prequels. Like 2001 a space Odyssey. Yes, exactly the predecessor is 2001. And again, like Quatermass as well.
And exactly like in Quatermass, yes. To say that the human race will have overcome overpower the the animals by the day months from day Moss. And there's just one of these guys left which are in a miniaturized spaceship. And the reason why we've got these round round barrels is that people have been copying this space ship. So he's spaceship. Do we ever find out and I've got no kind of issue with the science behind
the shrinking and the enlargement of the. Yeah, that's why we think that all cold wasn't it because of the power. Yeah, do we know why he's miniaturized at any point? No, no. And so they talk about he's been miniaturized. I'm thinking, what is he suspended in animation? What's the miniaturized? Well, that's what I was thinking. Like all of this kind of ties up really nicely except for the miniature which allows for the doctor to be frozen and allows for these. The heat shield and everything.
Yeah, so it's like, but why would he be miniaturized? It's never explained and that's fine because that you know, all of it is so kind of pleasant that you don't care really. It's not like extra where it's like one sea to the next. There's no relation. So I've said the pub landlord, he's in on it at this point. Yes, they kept showing a head of like a stag on the wall. I like for all this it's a goat's cleaves. I go to go. I go. I go. I go. I go. I go. I go. There's camera hidden in the
eye of that. But then I remember later on that's in terror the side of us, isn't it? Yes. Yes. I got to do hamsteries mix up there. So all I've said here is that the Brigadier looks amazing. He turns up. He's got like a cummerbund on to keep his gutting that I've never seen the kind of thing worn before. And this is when he sticks his swagger stick in the in the heat shield. So we have like, so there's a whole storyline now of unit the rest of unit trying to get beyond
the heating. There's a heat shield. Yes. And this is basically padding, isn't it? But it's done in such a charming way that you're like, oh, they've got to get in. Even though it's not, you know, it's not explained why they need to get in. So the doctor and Joe got in Bessie. And I've said at this point, Bessie looks like a death trap. We see later on as the doctor turns a corner at a very slow speed. Yes. Because there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, a, a,
a bit where, there's a helicopter, a helicopter chase and a motorbike chase all going up. Which is all quite exciting for like, yeah, but it's quite well done. Yeah. Time to, another one of the hypnotized henchmen beats up one of Benton or Yates Duno, which one? Still with the helicopter. They're going to chase the after the doctor and dive bomb in them in Bessie. And the doctor sort of heads towards the heat shield at the last minute turns a shot corner, just goes flying in the
helicopter goes, goes to the heat shield. Joe's not wearing a seatbelt, obviously. Obviously. Obviously. But yeah, Bessie is tanking along at least 30 miles an hour. Along what looks like a tissue tissue. It's an airfield road. And it looks like there's no suspension. It must have literally been shaking the fillings out of their teeth. And I thought, God, it must have been horrible to drive. Apparently, this one, put it to be gave all the children of all
born, right and Bessie. Can you imagine the fun they had in a village like all born? Two weeks. You can see shooting this. There are, I mean, Jay, one night. Yeah, it's fantastic. At the end, when the people are gathered together, you can see a number of them as extras. They will try not to laugh. A few of them are like, really? This is amazing. Yeah, I just think you're enjoying it. Just looks like heaven to imagine. Like in the early 70s, in the middle
of literally middle of nowhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'd have a like the BBC's top show pretty much turn up. Yeah. You know, this is before EastEnders. This is before like all the things now that we think of BBC Doctor who then like this is way before. This is before strictly. And this is when Doctor who was getting like 10 million viewers or something, which is more than anything gets at all now. These days. The other day I was looking through ratings from 1992 or something.
And I couldn't believe the ratings were like EastEnders 20 million, Coronation Street 22 million, neighbors getting like 18 million viewers. And now Doctor who gets like 3 million viewers and they're like, this is a big improvement. And you're like, this is what it got when it was axed in like 1989. So anyway, the end of episode two is great. I've said, and I can't remember why. What happens? Is that when Bocke up the sub to them in the? Yes.
Oh, that's brilliant. Yeah. It's brilliant because they don't like it. Yeah, they don't labour the point. Bocke comes in and they cut and it's the cliffhanger. And then what he does is he falls in with a trowel by saying some magic words. It's brilliant. And it's a really nice idea. And I think this shows that you know, modern Doctor who now doesn't have cliffhangers because it's
seen as being like this kind of like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think cliffhangers can really work because they're fun and they can lead into the next story in quite a revealing way rather than what you kind of expect in. You don't expect the Doctor actually to be kind of doing magic with a trowel. So as we've established, unit can't get in. So it's a old born slash devil's end. And so the Doctor is in communication with Brigadier as to how they could possibly get in.
And we then have this really amazing setup that the Brigadier is in what I look like. What I said, like note says, looks like the Brigadier is in the Radio One Road show. It looks like he's about to bring on smiley miling and give away a load of t-shirts and play bits and pieces. In my mind, this has always been the Rolling Stones MOBOX TV.
Oh, even better John. Even better. Yes. So you've got this pie that's style grows and Keith is about to come in and do a lick for like Wild horses or something. Oh, let's definitely not find it. Exactly. Let's get a tape all that's definitely going to record rock and roll in it. Yes. And it's, was it headly grain just somewhere that they did that? I can't. Oh, but yeah, that's even better, John. That is, that is, that is, you are absolutely on the
money. That is it. Is the most of my files. They set the microphone up at the top of the stairs. And I think John Bonham was playing drums at the bottom of the staircase. And that's how they got the echo for when the levy breaks. A little young recorded one of the songs for harvest on a boat in the middle of a lake. Yeah. No way. I think the cable is out of the first thing. Yeah, I think all that is. It's just amazing. Yeah, it was just like it's been a college, isn't it?
Yeah, so much experimentation with mad analog. And that's what looks like happening here. One bit I liked where the doctor, Fenns off Bach is the reveal that he's singing a vanusian lullaby. Yes. The line of which is closureized my darling. Well, three of them at least. Yeah. Well, that's very doctorous atoms. It's amazing. Who is writing the stuff? Obviously it's Barry Letts, but it's like, it's the comedy in this. It's really brilliant and really like subtle.
There's a bit now where the master tries to hypnotize the squire, who is a fat man with a white go-to-be. Yeah. And they pointed out this is very much like the demon. Yes. It all goes very night of the demon at this point, doesn't it? Where there's a bit of a wind blowing. It's, again, it's just the kind of cherry picking of stuff that was probably like late night TV at that point, isn't it? Is this the episode where the master brings all the people to the village?
Yes. This is what I wanted to talk about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What might, right? So as Ross says, the people of the village become uneasy at the facts, I guess, that they're trapped inside this heat shield. There's strange things going on that the verge has been disintegrated. They are me here, but they are me here. And he got us all sorts, right? And what I've put is in many strange ways, the master is like Facebook. Right? Because first of all, he can't let them together.
And he basically shares a lot of local gossip in Inuendo. Yes. Like you get on spotted pages, like he says, and you in charge of the post office, I bet you're still claiming the money. Oh, I never heard that anywhere. And where is your wife, sir? I mean, he makes, yeah, he makes out that one is a murderer, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah. As he says, your wife has gone to a sister. Oh, sister, yeah. Where is he ever coming back? And then the other guy that he talks to, Grinville.
And I can't see, oh, no, I don't know if it is Grinville. I think Grinville is the murderer, but the guy that's the post office has the post office. That is John Scott Martin, and he was always a Dalek. So he was the guy inside the Dalek. And I think he did that from like 1963 to like 1989, something. Right? Right. But that is John Scott Martin. But I thought that's quite funny, because he said, have you balanced the books yet? And I thought, horizon, with a post office is a bit of a tough time.
And then the other way is like Facebook, is he then tries to win everybody over by just saying, if you invested me, I'll make you rich. It's like a pyramid game that you get on Facebook. Oh, my God, the master was like Facebook ahead of time. I thought he spoke forage, you know, just basically. Oh, yeah. The basics are saying, you need the country's gone to shit. You need a strong leader. And what you need to do is do what I say. The line is everything is possible if you do what I say.
That's what he says. Yeah, it's very good writing. I think that's a very clever scene, and I think it's, it's just brilliant writing. And it's in a tea time kid's drama, and it shows these little, and what good writing does is it shows in a very economic way. What you can do with just a few words to make little stories about me, and it's just really clever to say, oh, the books in the post office aren't balanced yet. And where is your wife, Mr. Grimner? Yeah, I know, I know.
I think about you guys. This writing is so clever and it's thrown away, really. And then the other amazing bit that I really wanted, this is actually what the last things I want to flag up, is that when the doctor, he's in communication with the Brigadier, and then he's like, I can come up with something that might be able to pierce the shield. And then he's like, have you got a technician there? Yeah, so he's like, and we're introduced to sort of like this comedy character, the technician.
Yeah, that's good. That's good. Yeah, that's good. Well, what I know, since the, what I said is, it's quite clear that Perthwee is just reading those specifications off of a piece of paper. Yeah. He says, no way, you can memorize them. No, that's why you always need to say reverse the clarity of the comparison. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Brilliant. But I never realized that's meant to be, well, it's implied that that's also good out of the new series in the 50th anniversary episodes, like a relative of, of, of us. Oh, no way. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I always think that she should come back and I thought that was a good character, and I don't know why they haven't utilized them or because I think Kate left Brigadier with this dreadful.
And you know, and but she was very disappointing in real life because she's married Roseman. Yes. Who's Roseman? Richard Osmond. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. That's that's his real life wife. Yeah. That's great. He'd be really good like monster, wouldn't he? That's a big brother of Swede's bassist. Yeah. Yes. To bring it back to Hayward Teeth. Yeah. Thank you so much for the night. I can't even remember who was from Hayward Teeth. He was from, oh, um, Colin Frye.
Yeah. Yeah, well, for the new guitarist, which you're schooled in each of James. Yes, for you guitarist. Every guitarist is 1935. 30 years. Yeah, the great Richard Osmond. Not Richard Osmond. Oh, what we're talking about. Richard Oaks. Richard Oaks. Thank you. Yes. Yes. The great Richard Oaks. A former programmer alumnus. This is where we have the scene where the demons are referred to as the demons. And then they've been here.
This is then there's a great line then where it bot comes in then at the end of this meeting vaporizes the squire. Nice. And Roger Delgado says, does anyone else agree with the squire? Which is just brilliantly like it's just brilliant. And then, um, make it as a bit of a scrap with someone who is, um, getting in the helicopter to then try and kill the doctor, which is something we've already discussed. Oh, yeah, it's like a leveled ass.
This is, this is where I just looked at the helicopter and thought this is like a washing machine with an engine strap to it, which flies. Yeah. How is this safe or even allowed? Like who signs this off? It doesn't look, it just doesn't look like it's just my grandmother would have an issue. And then the cliffhanger basically for this episode is ends on the master, rather than the doctor, which was really interesting because he's summoned a zile and then a zile is going to squash him.
Hmm. And I thought that says a lot about this. How tall is that cabin then? Yeah. Well, exactly, but I think that says a lot about this season that, um, you're so invested in the character of the master. Yeah. That you might be worried that he is going to get squashed more than the doctor because that's how this season has kind of gone. And that's how well Delgado played the role in that you're kind of invested in the villain.
Yeah. Hmm. What I've always heard everyone going on about Delgado, but I hardly seen any episodes. And like, yeah, I can see he was great. Really good actor. I was brilliant. He's brilliant. Yeah. And he's good in everything that he's in. And yeah, when you, when you read now, how young he died, just like bloody hell, like 55 is literally nothing at all. Like, um, Johnny Rotten now is like 70, Neil 10 and to 70.
Yeah. And you're like, these are people that you thought were always going to be about 50. Hmm. Um, it's just mad, isn't it? So at this point now, we're into, I think, episode four. Yeah. Yes. And I've said, what use is unit getting in? Because they've got all they've got is rifles. What are they going to actually do? Well, we'll do later on. We'll do nothing. Yeah. Yeah. And then the reveal here that the Master isn't squashed.
I thought this bit really reminded me of James Brown because he's, he's, he's got a candelabra type thing that he's, he's poking it as well with this mad stage costume. And it's just like the kind of thing that James, when you see the footage of James Brown, where he drops his cape off stage, yeah, it comes back on. Someone has to lift his cape back onto his knees. Someone who's doing like superimposed as I'll on to like these clips for us.
Yes. And then as well, uh, I read, I, my note was, so we finally get to hear as I'll speak. And what this goes down under for me is the hats off to Michael Bryant from the Stone Tape, mad overacting, slash me doing amateur dramatics. Yes. Dear listener, you might want to either take your headphones. If you're listening to this on headphones, take your headphones slightly back at this point away from your ears. Yes. I've got it.
And I'll go a few feet back from the microphone to give it the whole. Here we go. This planet smells to me. You're brilliant. I think you need to set up your, your, your class like when you go. Yes. I already know. TV, Steven Thorn. We go. Yeah. Who played someone else in Dr. should we find out? So he only died in 2019. He was born in 1935. So Fair play had a good in it. But what I was thinking at this point was that you can see here that Azale is basically wearing tights.
Yes. Because you see the reverse looking through his legs, which is quite a good shot in the kind of octopus-y poster. Yeah. But you can see that he's wearing like Nora Batti's stockings. Yeah. Because they're so wrinkled. So yeah, Steven Thorn, filmography. Doctor Who. Oh, he's Omega. Oh, mega. So he's one of the original time lords that discovers. The eye of harmony. And then he's Eldred as well in and his beard. Yes. Eldred must live. Yes. So he's Omega. Amazing.
I mean, yeah. Time Lord Law is that, of course, we've got Rassalon. We've got Omega. And then we've got the other who is meant to be the original doctor. And this is, we could do a whole other podcast on that. But we're not going to. So yeah, that's, he's great. And I think he's very good as Azale. He's got a very kind of. Where you don't see him until the end of episode four. So he does quite a lot just with his voice as a performance.
But then when you finally see him, he's doing a lot of acting. Because I'd say two thirds of his face is covered. Yeah. With quite an immovable mask, which is a horrible. Actually, quite a horrible image. And it works really well because he's got some good false teeth and stuff. He sticks his tongue out a lot. So the premise is that the planet Earth and the human race is a failed experiment. Yes. The doctor sort of explains that what does the scientist do when the experiment fails?
Chuck's in the bin. He's going to destroy the earth and the human race. But the master is trying to get him to hand over the control of the planet to him. That's so, and it takes up to this episode to find out really what's going on. Which I think is quite good pacing. It's a lot, at this point I thought, oh God, this could all be done in four episodes. But the point where I was thinking, get on with it. No, not at all.
And I thought even the bits where you think, oh, this is padded with the heat barrier and stuff. Like I said, it's done in such a charming way. But you're like, oh, this is just a solution. He got car chases, motorbike cases, people shooting at the doctor on his motorbike and falling off or someone dresses the doctor. Whoever that is, what do you think it's perturbed for you just running away after he falls down? Yes, I'm very odd running. He doesn't run. Yes, John is a very odd running.
He's far more than running in Alpricot. Yes. And I thought at this point that this is pre the Wiccoman. But a lot of it is quite Wiccomani, particularly the pub interiors look really similar to the Wiccoman. And when we get to the Mayday stuff. Yeah, the Mayday stuff. Is that in this episode or in the next one? I think that's this episode and that is really, really, really well put together.
And the other thing, once again, to go on with what was going on in the early 1970s and the same way that you know, enter the Dragon was just two years away. The hero of this episode, let's face it, is Dudley Simpson. Yes. Yes, the dental music, of course. And what I found out was when was the German crowd rock band Noi going? And what I found was Noi was founded in Düsseldorf in 1971. Before their album Noi came out in 1972 and I was like, oh man, he was badly used to was well on the vibe.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The constant little vibes. The most far-moving music from this series is the Sea Devils, which is the first the Sea Devils. It's the first story of the next season where you find out that the master is in prison. And but he's reawaken the Sea Devils, who are the kind of undersea cousins of the Silorians. And the music in that story is insane. It's just like, weeeeeewww! That's going to say. The music is because some of Doctor Who round the series is almost in watch.
Unlistenable. Yeah, I can't watch it because of the music. Yes. But this one, it doesn't annoy me too much. The sound of the heat shield is the best. Yes, that was horrible. Yeah, and it's just on all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you know John, that Silorians were a well-shed tribe, who that's what the name came from, but they were completely and utterly destroyed by the Romans? Yeah, well, yes. The Siloos or Siloras, because there's a new restaurant in Cardiff named So it's the Siloos.
And I was looking at it up literally the other day and I was like, Oh, this sounds like Silorian. Yeah. And that's what they came from, yeah. But then they in Doctor Who lore, they're not called the Silorians in warriors of the deep. I think they're then called the eocene because Silorian is like, Oh, that I think the Doctor says something like, Oh, that's not their actual real name or something. Oh, which I think is quite weird.
And I can't remember the full story, which I'll have to Google to refresh my memory. The Doctor is trying to get back and it is going across the British Green where the Green, well, some Morris men are dancing and the Mayhows up. Yes. And it's because it's Mayday, not not um, Grace Jones in, uh, Vuturkil. And the Doctor is accosted by the Morris men. Oh, to give them to give them their due, Rossi says at the end, played by the the headington quarry men. Oh, no way. That's what it's saying.
I see myself being a Morris man at some point. I bet. Yeah. So can I. Yeah. And this bit is really well directed. It's really taughtly done. It looks great and fair play that it's really imaginative. You've got the guy covering in paper as the, and you've got the guy with the thing as the fool, the bladder. And it just works, works really well. Of course, it's like Doctor Who and it's like the Doctor's, he kind of entwined in this folklore. But with the Doctor's triceps is a lot for off.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You like it. Very good. And then we obviously really dubbed lines, but it does work really well. And then they they turn it around that Sergeant Benton is kind of on hand to break a street lamp and then shoot the cock. Yes, Miss Holfun comes out and says, you see the doctor gets tied up to the maple on their back. They're going to burn him a lie. And then Miss Holfun comes out and said, you can't do that because he's a powerful wizard. And I think he's cool.
So we quad quote. We're sure apparently the three different ways you can say who and Latin. Oh, okay. And what are they? Miss the female version of it. So people say that is the original. No, he can be a man. Yeah, that's interesting. That's interesting. I didn't know that. So she said that he's got some powers and Benton is using a sort of gum of a sinusoidal especially as a light. So it applies that the doctor's done that. Then they shoot the cock, which is a very, very good shot.
Just do the work of a cock up. We've been there. We've seen it. Yeah, that is almost impossible. And then finally the doctor, he expressed he run the guy over using the microtronis. Yes. And it's all brilliant. And you're like, this is all padding. But it's done so well that it's just like it's really funny. But do you think, you know, how many people would have seen all of these episodes and would have remembered that the doctor confirmed? Yeah, the doctor can remote control the car.
Yeah. Because it's not really that well explained. So that's what's happening in episode one. Yeah. So I mean, by time he gets episode four, that the doctor is doing this with no explanation. It would be like, I see. Now what do you mean it? I think kids that's glued to the tally remember everything. And I think that's what it's aimed at. And that's why now, like I said, Dr. Doo now isn't aimed at me. I don't know if it's aimed particularly well at young kids either.
You know, kids lap up stuff like that, don't they? And they remember those details because it's like, oh, the doctor's got a remote control. That's cool, isn't it? Imagine a car that's remote control. Because in 1971, that's really far out of the thought. But you say 1971, isn't it? Hammer Film, which came out this year was Prince of Evil. So, yes. And I think like, Prince of Evil looks very traditional.
Whereas this feels like, I like the way, like you were saying, like Hammer wouldn't be bringing stuff into the modern day for another year or so. I don't know. With the doctor who writes her. Yes. And we've got the, we've got the occult of in, in now. And I think it just works. I'm much better, doesn't it? I think it's a very clever story. So where are we up to? Yeah, last episode. The doctor escapes probably to see. Yeah. Ultimately, this whole episode is just a bureaucratic nightmare.
There's a lot of people just stood round arguing about who's going to have power. And he's organizing things. That's often when we get in episode four of Doctor Who stories, certainly. The big demon says, but I must do this! I must, you know, in the rules. Which I think, which I think, yeah, I think what's good is that they hold the reveal of a sail back to this point. Yes. Which episode four is quite brave, because he's the protagonist of the story. The story's named after him.
And you don't see him until episode four. I'm not going to do so. When you see him grow, there's a point. It's really, it kind of turns. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But again, it's a shit effect. But for me, it works really well. Because again, I said, my dreams are the special effects of the BBC in the 1930s. That's just sort of thing if I will wake up with a, in a nightcare.
Yeah. I think that glossy modern effects often don't have that nightmare as feel, because they're too hyper real, and they're like, they like Peter Cushion in, which one is it James when he, Star Wars? Not a new one. No, you won't. No, you won't. Yeah, Rogue One. You're looking at him and you're like, oh, this is brilliantly done, but it just looks, oh, it doesn't look right. Whereas a lot of effects now just don't look right.
What's often terrifying is Dr. Who is really basic stuff that because of its basicness is quite kind of, I really look, yeah. True. Two things. Like, Bach is in this. I come back to Peter Cushion, but I was just saying, when they finally get the, the window through the heat shield to work, I think that's a really good effect.
Yeah. Apparently it was just a retinsel, and when they, when they're trying to get all the cars through like this little archway into the village, I think that looked really good. But going back to Peter Cushion, have you seen that? Does he get sued because of Peter Cushion in Rogue One? Oh, no way. Yeah, man. Because apparently he gave his rights to a friend or something, and they never got permission to use him in that. I think the mouse's lawyer always has a ungranned check.
Risiccive answer to somebody. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So where are we now? So you? You know here. You know here, you know here, and that fighting box outside the church. Yes, and it's a plenty. In a, no use. We have the immortal line. Dragon? Shuffle the wings there. Hi, round the rabbit. Yeah, and that is just, it's just brilliant.
It's it's meant to be funny and it's meant to show military people as having this kind of one track mind that anything that can be solved with like machine guns and stuff. And you see Mike Yates does this kind of knowing look to camera all those that's like, what? This is just disappearing soldiers left right in center. It's brilliant. He gets to get into the Zooka. They blow him up and then there's a bit of a bird together. Yeah, like very much like time band, it's time effect.
Oh, reverse in the film. It's a lot of styrofoam. Yeah, it's a hell of styrofoam. Doesn't it? Exactly. It is, yeah. But it's just it works because it's just also kind of fun. But it's not the way you can't hardly walk with his big feet. It's like a frog man walking around. But while this is happening, yeah, as I'm saying, OK, I'm going to give the power over after the doctor and the doctor and the doctor, I know I don't want it. Yeah. And I like that.
I like the idea of that because if you give me this power, I know that power will corrupt me and I will become like an evil god or something. The master wants it though, doesn't it? Yes. Exactly. So those who want power should never be given it. And that's the whole thing. Like me? Yeah, the whole thing ends the, as I said, OK, I'm going to I'm going to then kill the doctor. And then Casey Mannin says, no, kill me instead. No, kill me. And then it's like the classic Star Trek.
I cannot compute cute laughs. Yes. Yeah. And there's a great effect of like a duo tone sort of like. Yeah. There is some same. Yeah, it is what it's exactly the same effect. I think James, where they basically it's a kind of chromically thing and they've turned up. So going to fuzz effect or something. And it, but it looks really cool. And you're like, oh god, I wish special effects still look like that. And then the church blows up. And they all run out. And then the church blows up.
And then the master tries to get away by throwing his keep over so I can't. I'm highly trained to remember of you. Yeah. But then these these scenes at the end are so kind of war and cozy. Yeah. You're like, god, I want to spend more time with these people. They go enough to the pub for a pint. They get involved in the maple and stuff. There's like the crane shot of the end where you're looking down on the moral kind of chilling out. And I like the way that the master is picking off at the end.
I think it was a great little bit of character. The master reduces to sit down. He stands. Yeah, it's like the post. Yeah. And they all boo him. Yeah. That's how it's going. Yeah. Boo. I bet was the master's been booed like an ill-judged judge to act at the Reading Festival. Like definitely in Celeste. Boo. He's killed many people on the spot. He's killed the squire. He's killed their families. He's put it about church.
Yeah. Boo. I did I did also like the fact that there's absolutely no debris or wreckage from a huge medieval church. But again, like I've said probably about 58 times now. It's so warm and charming. You're just kind of like, I don't care if there's kind of any of these things. I think sometimes with it. If things, if things win you over, you can just look beyond. Yeah, you just go with it because it is like a fair, just like a fairytale already.
Yeah. And that's what Doctor Who at its best is like a fairytale kind of warmness. And I think that each doctor achieves it but not all the time. No. For me, particularly sort of Esther McCoy achieved it. But I'm Peter Davidson, but I think this is a very good case of purtree getting it. For me, often old Doctor Who, it gets to the point, I lose track of what's going on. Yeah. It's confusing or over complicated. Well, I feel like this for me, this is just the right level.
I just go along with it and it's just fun. Have you watched Pyramid's Amal's Cleads? Yeah. Yeah. Again, that one for me is just like perfect. No, it's perfect. Yeah. Absolutely perfect. And then when I heard it was him coming back to Tecco second half. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So what are we going to give it? Well, what do we think, boys? I've given it a five out of five. Oh. This is my favorite classic Doctor Who I've seen.
But is it your favourite thing that we have reviewed in 50 episodes, please? Well, no, I've given other things five, but I just, I look, yeah, because of the way I do this, I don't right now. So I just have to, I have to make it so keep it in my mind. I've watched this 14 times. And I haven't got bored of it, you know? Yeah. And a lot of older TV from this era, I would be, I would struggle. So yeah, it was good. And I think it helped that being James went there recently as well. That helps.
That did help. Yeah. Yeah. It was just, it's just fun. I would say I'm obviously going to give it a five. I was going to give it a 4.5 because I thought there's issues with the pacing and it doesn't need to be five episodes. And then I thought, actually, I could watch like six episodes of this because it's so like cozy and warm and kind of, it's just perfect storytelling. And the characters are so, you just want to go and like climb into the TV and hang out with them.
And the TV isn't like that anymore. I like it. Yeah. But, but everyone is kind of like, saying like, yeah, he's a bit of a dick. And they all take the piss out of him a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that was then that was how clever it was that they managed that with Hartnill into tramping into furtoy. Where does I felt like, but Capaldi, he just, he just felt, he's just a dick and he didn't like it before it.
Where it was like, no, he's a dick and you're like, yeah, that's just how he is, isn't it? But he's the hero and that's the thing. He's heroic in this and he's a, a pertwee is the biggest hero of all the doctors that just, you know, he does the karate chops and he does all the stuff. Finish him. Yeah, yeah, exactly. James, come on with, with Bated Breath. I don't love it like you guys love it. But at the same time having been having been sort of, and I enjoyed like the hilarity of it.
And though, you know, so it was a huge, so for me it's a three. Oh, was that going to take place then? And James, sorry, sorry, sorry. That's all good. I have to speak true. Yeah, but we got a bit of doctor who had our system now, so that we can leave that, we can leave that one alone for a little bit now. Okay, well, I was going to suggest a few more, but, yeah, I'll make you face you at episode 100. Okay, so what is next, Ross? Where are we going next?
Okay, so next, so we were going to do the gorgon. However, I'm shifting that to next year because Captain Trunos is having a 4K remaster by Hammer. And it's, I think it's, it's an anniversary for it. Sixty might be six years or fifty years. There's an anniversary for it anyway. So it's fifty if I think it came out in 74. It was shot in 72, but it came out in 74. So that's coming out next month. So it's coincide with that we're going to do Captain Trunos, vampire hunter. No way. Exciting.
Yeah, the only reason the cleaver's doing that is because Caroline Monroe's in it. Fantastic. And also, I'm now friends with the people at Hammer, so they're going to give us some, every few weeks. Finally, 50 episodes, but if finally paid off, we started getting free stuff. Cleaver's got the ashes of Jimmy Sankster next to his place. I didn't think that's a you're going to say that for me. I would, I want to also say is that we've published our first ever Gemma Witch Finders friend. Oh, yes.
I have an adminia cleaves by the way. It's in the post. Oh, okay. So you're, and James, I'm going to give you yours next weekend. Okay. And the fanzine. Exactly. So yes, our fanzine is got a short story by me. It's got an illustrated. Am I James Story? I'm John Dunn, and essay from James about my teenage years. Yeah. And that's a horror story. Exactly. And we've got some short stories and some essay from some of our amazing listeners as well. So 56 pages, only £3 plus shipping.
Wow. And a big bargain. And half of them are gone already. So if you want to get one, mine cost £15, I don't know why. I think it's like £250 for the UK. Yes. And weirdly, it's quite expensive to ship to America, but we've had people in America buy them. So that's the way things are. Oh, thank you, our American guests. Yeah, that's amazing. So I've got half of them left. What actual America? Actual America. Actual America. You have three actual Americans. One from Stalin's, Tacle Arkansas.
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There's a link on there on our website where you can purchase the fancy. I do think we're just going to suddenly... Looks like we might do. So you might consider doing another one. But we're sick. Yeah. We're sick. Anything horrific this week, fellas? Well, you're watching your Charlie Walsh. Something horrific. I'm very, very quickly a book that I've been enjoying. And in regards to, you know, there's the age of Aquarius and... All the reason it is. The door, the door.
What is the age of Aquarius? It's an astronomical thing, isn't it? Right. So... In shroom. Yes. So people that believe in the nonsense that is astrology, they said that we... As the Earth moves through their heavens, that we're moving into a new age, which was all going to be very positive and forward, thinking in all the rest of the day. That's what goes on. I don't know that. What I've been reading is this book... Satanic panic. Pop cultural paranoia in the 1980s. Nice. From from fat press.
Right. And it was just absolutely brilliant. And I love reading it. And it's an era that I really, really enjoy. It looks at all of the news, the films, the, you know, for example, the fact that loads of people thought that Dungeons and Dragons were trying to drive people to Satanism and all the rest of it. So I love all of that stuff. I'm really surprised this episode went out, you know. This is... Imagine if this is the episode of the demons. I don't think it came out.
If people are freaking out about Dungeons and Dragons, imagine this going out. Yeah. That's the era as well. Yes. Yeah. My something horrific this week is something that's been on for a few weeks. Two things. Very quickly. One is Charlie Cooper's myth Britain. Is that what it's called? Mythic Britain. Yeah. No. That was Arthur, I think it's called. Oh, he's obsessed. Whatever it's called, but it's like this country, isn't it? Myth country. Yeah. It's very...
It's like having a nice cuddle with a nice friend. It's a lovely... And it's just very... It's just... You'll get it if you... If you're into that kind of stuff, stone circles, crop circles, king Arthur, blah blah blah. Then the other thing that's on after that, and I don't know why it's been buried in this slot, it's something called haunting. I think it's called haunting.
Yes. On BBC 2, the first episode of which, there's four episodes, I think, online at the moment, which will be on the iPlayer. The first one is about the Enfield Poltergeist, and that's very, very interesting. Why it's been buried at like half past 10 on a Sunday? I have no idea. Because it should be on on BBC 2 for Halloween or something. But it's just very odd. But it is really good. The first episode is really good.
I've started watching another episode, which is about a case in Edinburgh, which is also really good. It's really cinematically shot, and it's really well done. So why they buried it at this hour, I know I do. So that's a real shame. But it's nice to see stuff on TV that is a bit genre specific, and it's a bit out of the way. They're on after the aforementioned Paul Whitehouse and Bob Mortimer vehicle, which is gone fishing.
So, and I've told you to about when we saw Bob Mortimer in West Wales at night. No. What? No, I'm coming back. I've heard not. No, no. So when Helen and I went to Tlandelo in July, we went for food in a pub and sat the other side of like a glass screen with his production team was Bob Mortimer and Ted. Oh, nice. From gone fishing. And but Helen was sat with her back to him. So she didn't really see him. But I was just watching everything. It was absolutely nuts.
Much taller than I thought with a very large head. Wow. Yeah. Mr. Helen. Yes. Graham Lister and the man with the stick. Is he really? No, he's not. Reeves, I'll have you know that I know on Budsman. I'm sorry. God, they've been around for all of our lives, haven't they? It's wild, isn't it? Because they talk now in that gone fishing program about like they're in their 60s and stuff. And you're like, what? How? Yeah. But I wonder when really surprised when they saw a victory this big night out.
I thought it mixed up with periscuters. Periscuters day off. And I was like, this is not what I thought it was going to be. The mic one is gone off Netflix now. So I don't know what it's on. Film full. It's called Black Phone. Black Phone. Yeah. So that's good. What happens in it, please? A kid gets abducted by a child murderer who's Ethan Hawke. And in the room he's been kept in, there's a disconnected phone about the phone rings. And it's the ghost of a children who have been killed.
And they kind of they kind of helping him escape. But they're because they're dead. They can't remember who they are. Or they don't really know they're dead. But they're sort of like given like cryptic clues and stuff. And they can't sort of help him escape essentially. But it's interesting. And it's very jumpy. So episode 50, guys. Perfect. Well done. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. So are we going to stop? Are we going to keep going? Yeah, we'll keep going. Keep going. So well done, everyone.
Thanks for listening. See you for the next 15. Happy Halloween. See you for the next 15. Happy Halloween. Yeah. Happy Halloween. Oh, shit. Oh, yeah. So guys, it's Halloween. Yeah, we here to do episode 50. What do you think to that? It's a special Halloween episode for you. Amazing episode 50. Halloween. Yeah. It's not Halloween. Definitely didn't forget that. No. So well done, everyone. Happy Halloween October the 31st. Yeah. Here we are with you tonight. All right. Cheers, guys.
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