46 - The Survivor (based on the James Herbert Novel)

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Britain, an ancient kingdom with legends of violence, cruelty and torment in its blood. Join your hosts, Ross, John and James, as they bravely tread with you with death. Britain's their journey into the horrific history of British horror. They are... They are... The General Witch Finals. They are... The General Witch Finals. They are... The General Witch Finals. The General Witch Finals. The General Witch Finals. James Herbert's frightening novel of supernatural power is now a movie.

The General Witch Finals. After all, I've just killed 300 people in the field and walked away without a scratch. That makes me pretty special, doesn't it? The pilot is haunted by the guilt of this survival. It'll come. It has to hurry. I think I'm going mad. The psychic is told, minted by visions of a hollars yet to come. They're asking for your help. Who's asking for help? The men, women and children who died in your aircraft.

300 murdered souls, combined their psychic energy to hunt down their killer and destroy those who profit from their death. Are you sure you can go through with it? He has to. Help us all. Brace yourselves for a journey to the outer limits of Nightmare. You've seen the gates of hell's to kill her. You survived. The survival is a 1981 supernatural horror. I would say both of those terms are very, very, very, doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Australian British co-production.

Directed by David Hattie, the director of the film, Jenny Aguita and Joseph Cotton. In Adelaide, Australia, not eaten in the UK is the original novel written by the Rossus put infamous James Herbert. I don't think it infamy says he's done something bad, Ross. Okay, fair enough. So in the original novel, airline pilot David Keller played by Powell, survives the crash of his Boeing 747-200. Oh, and hurts despite all 300 passengers dying in the accident.

With no memories of the accident, he starts the suffer-strange supernatural visions. Director David Hemings is most famous for his acting roles, including Dildano in Barbara Ella, Marcus Daly in Dario Argento's Deep Red and Thomas, the fashion photographer in the hugely successful avant-garde mystery film Blowup. He wrote Turn Down by Sean Connery because director Michelangelo Antone and Tony.

Thank you, John. We're not showing him the full script, only a seven-page treatment stored in a cigarette packet. Amazing. Hemings would lace a feature weirdly enough in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, with which was Sean Connery's last movie, 3070s Laser. Oh, my God, I can't blame him. It is a dreadful, dreadful, disaster that I've felt. So Robert Powell, best known, of course, was betrayal of charismatic cult leader.

By the way, right when Christian's listening to this, this is Ross's words, not mine. Of charismatic cult leader, slash son of a carpenter in the 1977 epic television drama series, Jesus of Nazareth, also played secret agent Richard Hane in the adaptation of a certain amount of steps. He appeared in the TV series following that called Hane.

Yeah. Yes. He also appeared in Ken Russell's Tommy as Captain Walker and at the request of his friend and golf partner, comedian, once again, should be in a verse in commerce. Jasper Carrot, co-starred in the BBC sitcom The Detectives, which apparently ran for five series. It was ridiculously popular. Oh, dearie me. He also lent his voice. I watched some love joy the other night.

Amazing. Although I know love joy, Ian McShane has now gone on to be, you know, better known for being like elsewhere agent in our Christ. World War, what I was called. That's it. That's it. Edward, Edward, Edward. Edward, Edward. But for me, now ever since I found out it's him who goes, ladies and gentlemen, Miss Grace Jones. Really? Yes. Let me get it. Let me get it. We can have it. All right. And trust me, listen to the fact that we got off comes on who the who've been for Prince Charm.

Yeah. No, hang on. I know. Okay. You ready for this? Here we go. Miss Grace Jones. Yeah, it is as well. Yes. Right and forth. Frankie goes to Hollywood. Well, Trevor Horn, the producer of that shit, of course, is a total genius. I knew he knew Ian McShane and basically saw him in the pub and said, will you come and record this for me? And Ian McShane said I was drunk. And I said, yeah, all right. But now, whatever I think you know, love joy for me, he's always in twined with Grace Jones.

Amazing. Like Rodger, like Roger Morrow. Anyway, no, if you took kill. Oh, you were made a flip dem over and gone to all that was one of the sexiest things I ever saw when I was on that show. I got to. I think I was edited out the ITV free, eight-clang version. So, right. Jesus Nazareth. Yeah. Did you know what? Did you guys have to watch that in our re-wound news? What do you mean, Hassel? We were at the same school. We had to watch the whole fucking thing. I've never seen it.

I was thinking it did make me think about the cult of myth rass though and how it all could have been different, couldn't it? It could indeed, John. It could indeed. And, you know, from my time when we went to Rome, with the sex, all we learned all about this, that, you know, myth rass was as popular as Christianity. It's I'm in Rome. Anyway, we were people of that. If that took off, we might not have had the detectives. Oh, well, there you are.

Right. Okay. So, meanwhile, it was so then says, he also let his voice to the 2002 rock opera, the hound under the basketballs by Clive Nolan and Oliver Wakeman. Son of Rick Wakeman. Is it? No, no idea. Okay. Playing John Watson, Powell was also considered for several roles in life force. A general wakefinder. Classic. Several roles. From episode 39 of this podcast.

And apparently he was a founder member of the Social Democratic Party in 1981, which kind of morphed into the Lib Dems in this country. Good God. And Rott's saying that he campaigned alongside Barry Norman, the Barry Norman. No. I think John was saying, no way. I think there's a call to point out that for a certain time in the past, Robert Powell was one of the biggest film stars in the world. Yeah. And I was wondering why he disappeared.

And I think it was probably because he chose subsequent to Jesus of Nazareth. He chose some of the worst films ever made to appear in. And that didn't necessarily further his career. Did it? No. He needed a sack his agent really. Yes. Because he goes so far on having blue eyes, can't you? That's one of those things that I, you know, you just take it as granted when you're younger and being forced to watch it in R.E.

But like, he wasn't as much older that I realized how universally popular Jesus Nazareth was. Yeah. Huge. Yeah. Right. So, yes. So he campaigned alongside BB famous BBC film critic Barry Norman, now sadly no longer with us. On behalf of the party's first leader Roy Jenkins. Well. That's insane. Yeah. That surprised me, Ross. Good research, Rob.

And the actor O.B.E. who plays the role of Hobbs, the clairvoyant who Ross salesist was a male character in the novel apparently is best known for her ongoing role in the in it. Ross has put inexplicably popular call them in wife TV series. I would just say it's the most daily male of TV series. What about watching the same male? I love it. I don't know. I've no love joy. Right. I'm not stout your my friend. That's what it was. It's certainly not heartbeat. All the royal.

No. So she also started two adaptations of the railway children, the critically acclaimed film Walkabout, her other big Australia thing, which we may talk about later. And of course relevant to this podcast, an American werewolf in London. Listen to episode 26 for more information on that one. Twenty episodes ago. Oh my god, really? Yeah. Right. And then it says she also featured in two Marvel movies. James as our resident comic book fan, can you name which ones?

I am going to say she is in Captain America, the winter soldier. What? Right. And then adjacent to that, I am going to say. That's the same character. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yes. Captain America. Well, no, no, she's just in the original Avengers. Correct. Yeah. Wow. What's the name of her character? Oh, I've got absolutely no idea. She's one of the people that I was part of like the shield council. Yeah, she's council woman, Pamela Hawley. Yeah, yeah, because I did. Yeah. Do I say winter soldier?

Yes. Yeah, we're in soldiers probably the best one. She probably got paid more for these two parts than like any other. Oh, and the lungs are wet. She absolutely deserves it. Yeah, yeah. And it says additionally. She says some clothes in this film as well. Yeah. Yeah. Additionally, according to Ross, she appears on the 1990 prefab sprout song Wild Horses. Not a cover of the rollercoaster. What a rolling stone. Wow. The horse. The horse. The horse. The drag me away. Wow. Anyway. Right. So, yeah.

Sorry, I've gone off from the edge of it. So, I cannot resist going into a big chagrin version. No, it's almost as if it's like a prince around the room. Oh, it's a... Charlie's good tonight, Amy. Right. So, apparently she was on prefab sprouts. Wild Horses, speaking the words, I want to have you. Okay, right. Five, thanks Ross. It's true. It also says. The film also features Joseph Cotton. The best man at horse and wells is weddings and resa. Hey, what? He's a fasted.

Wow. Yeah. He appeared in five films selected by the National Film Registry by the Library of Congress in America for being culturally, historically or aesthetically significant. And that's Citizen Kay, the Magnificent Abyssin, the Shadow of a Doubt, Touch of Evil, and Gaslight. And once again, unless you're unaware, that is from which the term Gaslighting comes in addition to these classics, he appeared in many films in TV programs, including pertinent to this podcast.

One episode of Tales of the Unexpected. No. He laser admitted, I was in a lot of junk. I get nervous when I don't work. And fair enough, fair enough, man. I understand that. You want to keep the money coming in. But he's in a Doctor Fibes film, isn't he, that we've watched on this podcast. Was he? Yes. Oh, for God's sake. I thought you were going to say episode number, whatever. Oh, yeah, you said that. And I remember saying at the time, Paul Bastard, like, how did he end up in this?

He's been in Citizen Kay, and a third man, and all that. And now he's ended up in this crap. And now this was his last film, wasn't it? Yeah. And you don't see him until like an hour in. No, you had a straight short afterwards, so you had to stop working off of it. With Jenny Aguita. Yeah. And then that's just a subtitle for tonight's episode. Crude. And then go, go, go, go, Joseph. Go, go, Joseph.

If you know what they say, if you're looking at some day, you're in a dream, called a hair of your time. This is tonight's episode is a musical. It is. Because in case if anyone, I'm sure you both know this, the lyricist. Immurice. Yes, I said it was Tim Rice. With it. It is Tim Rice. A TV project. It's like, without you Lloyd Webber. Yes, he pops up in this movie as a television news reader. Totally nonsensically. I think it's the first dialogue in the film.

Yeah. But it's like, why would you have a TV journalist literally right next to an ongoing disaster? It's just insane. Now, I was going to say my theory behind this is, I bet he was a friend. He was a mate of David Heming. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, on the pitch. And I'm going to wildly suggest that he was in Australia to watch the ashes. All right. Because he's a big cricket fan. Or do some, it was something along those lines.

I thought, I bet he was in Australia watching some cricket and Heming said to him, oh, should we first see coming along? I don't know why I went to Australia then. Why Australia? My bad Australian accent is going to get along and doing some filming, mate. Yeah. Okay. Come along to the set. I'm sure I can fit you in somewhere. You know, that's a bit more like it.

Right. Okay. In fact, in fact, in our introduction, so prior to filming, David Hemings and producer Antony, I, I, Gianni, discussed whether to make this film gory or more cerebral. Similar to the 1961 version of the innocence, they chose the latter. The decision Gianni later said was a mistake. Yeah. Now, I'll learn directly from Wikipedia. Yes. On learning of the projects, daylight magic.

Yeah. On learning of this project, James Herbert, the author of the source novel, sent a note to David Hemings, offering his assistance. He never received a reply. Wow. And in 1980, it dismissed this film and the later deadly eyes, the film adaptation of the rats as they're terrible, absolute rubbish. Oh, God. I can only say, don't blame me. And I think absolutely, and we're going to make a whole new film. I don't blame it. I don't blame it. My impression is elevated.

I'll even our listener knows that now. Right, so the survivor was Herbert's third novel, published in 1976, coming after the rats and the fog. Now, the music for this film is by Brian May. But no, not on the one you're thinking of, the man who had his ass shredded a few years back, the Queen Axmith and a badger protector. This is the Australian Brian May. Who got his ass shredded? Brian May. I do know about this. himself for an gardening accident. Let me find the link.

That was the review for you. All right. Brian, I had my ass shredded the other day when I had a impulse coronation chicken sandwich. Right. Look at the. Already. You can see Brian May tore us. I've linked for that one for that. Painful. Here we go. There you are. What did it to Thompson say about that, Jones? What's the murder? You see the TARDIS? Right. Okay. I'm just trying to find which story won't give you the most pop-up ads on it. Right. Here you go.

That's just that's just that the headline alone will do this for you. There you go. Have a look at that. Oh, you've sent it. Have you read it out for the sake of the listeners, James. Queen's Brian May hospitalised after he tears butt muscles to shreds. Oh, God. It was very, very, very painful. It was a bizarre gardening accident. It was painful. Yes. The author, he said, best leave it unsolved. As our friends, this might not have to tell us. Anyway, so no, it's not that Brian.

This is the Australian Brian May who had an impressive musical CV including the Blue Lagoon Gallipoli. Oh, my God. Something else we had to watch at school. It was really, really bad. It's Mel Gibson in that. Yes, he is. Yeah. He's the one who doesn't die. Yeah. Top-up ball. And the original Mad Max more on that in a second, I think Mad Max to the road warrior, the Indian action too, as in the Austro, as in Chuck Norris, Missing An Action was wow. And Freddie's dead, the final night there.

Oh, now, now incredibly, this was the first Australian movie to cost more than one million Australian dollars to make. You can kind of see that. Yeah, I think they spent it all on the first one. Well, they spent it all on the on by in a plane and then blowing up, didn't they? Well, so the location was shifted to Australia as a complex tax dodge, of course, allowing English investments to completely write off on the whole film.

The film is nominated for four Australian Academy of Cinema Intelligent Arts. Oh, my God. Really? It also won the prize of the International Critics' jury at the Steeges International Fantastic Filthest of a Catalonia, which again sounds like a tax rise off quite quickly. Right. Okay, that's it. That's the script I'm so I can now get back to looking at you guys now. Yeah. I'll be taking a glass of dog. So it's interrupt Ross here just doing a quick plug.

Did you know that we do a range of general which find his t-shirts? Go to jemmallwitchfinders.com. Buy a shirt and have support the show. Thanks. Right, so this film only two pages of notes from me. We went through this in about five minutes. Okay, that's right. So this film, as we said, clearly is Australia or they go out of their way to try and be very nondiscrits about where it is. They never really want to talk. It means. Yeah, I'm pretty much everyone who speaks has got an English accent.

Yes. Pretty much. Yeah. So it's weird because it's so clearly Australia. And what I put is that my sister when my sister got married, she went on a honeymoon. Now this is back in the literally 1999. So just for the turn of the millennium. And she went to Bali and then onto Australia afterwards. And when she came back, she was the first person alongside my mother's sister Kate had been to Australia and had been out in the outback. But I said to my other sister Karen, how was it? How was Sydney?

She was the only person out there. And she went to Australia Jameson months. Yes, but not back. This is before. Wait, you said 1999. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And I said to her, what's it like? What's Sydney like? And she said, it's nice, but you feel like you're 20 years in the past. Oh, everything in terms of the fashion. And I thought probably with the internet now, they're caught right up.

But in my mind, I've always got the idea, this idea that when you go to Australia, go to Australia earlier, it's like going into the past a little bit. Yeah. And all of the things with the shops and stuff. It's, I've got to say, yeah, it's a country or continent. Or whatever it is that has never held any kind of interest for me. What's a weapon to the point of dislike, active dislike, besides TV's Melissa George, who was angel in her, and away.

And now has does have quite a legitimate film career. Follow her on Instagram. She wants to like to one of my comments. I'm not like she was in the film triangle, which is at that absolute masterpiece. If you haven't seen that film. I've got the one who went to enter a massive, like a UKIP person now. No, no, that's Holly Valance. Holly Valance. Holly Valance. Kiss, kiss. Holly Valance. Yes. Holly Valance did have a very good, that's called a. Yeah. That's a company that was a big in Turkey.

Yeah. My dad came back from all of the in Turkey obsessed with that song. Did the turkey know? Yeah. He gets from, we did obsessed with it. There were days telling me for quite a long time about when he was in a, at the working London and he went to a pub and they were doing karaoke. And there was a man and woman there doing a cover of Had a Waze. Baby, don't hurt me. And he said, I don't want to choose. Maybe it was the least. It's one of the best things he ever witnessed in his life.

I'm sorry. What's Fertil Shahki's big hit? A good heart. Well, well, well, he's a big kick. That's why, no, he's not that song as well. I'm not sure. Yeah. Right. Okay. So all the way through. The one star reviews coming for this one. It's beyond mindless. It's beyond mindless. Right. So we start off in Australia and straight away we get this very, carefully edited sequence where we get a plane crash.

Oh, no, before that, before that, before that you have that weird kind of occurring, almost like folk-horary kind of thing with the children. Children. Train like a... Train like a... What's the time, Mr. Wolf? Yeah. Isn't it? Yeah. But if you're, if you're John Pantney and you're watching this film, what you get is that scene with all the credits and music edited out. So it makes no sense until you're 15 minutes into the film when someone has stopped cutting all the bits out.

Yeah. And I was watching this thinking, are we, is this right? Like, is this, is this right? Yeah. And it wasn't right. But the film is so iffy that it took me quite... You wouldn't know it, yeah. No. So what is happening in that first bit, Jenny Agueta, who doesn't say a word in this film until at least the 30th minute, is with a load of children by a swing and stuff and she's looking up at it like a saestina plane, is she?

Yeah. And then that happens in the middle of the film and again at the end of the film. I still don't know what the fact is happening. Okay. Neither did I have no idea. I have no idea. I'm thinking, you know, because of her psychic, she's kind of... She's like, she's like having a premonition of the future or something. Yes. Yes. Oh, by the way, 1.8% of our 1.8. 1.86% of our listenership are in Australia. Oh, okay. So I'll apologise right now. Yeah. Hopefully that's Melissa George.

Yeah. I think she lives in Paris now, but maybe she still identifies as Australia. You know, I think many people go to France. Yeah. 1.8%. Yes. Wow. 0.37% of our members go to France. So that might be... Wow. I wonder if they're in R, where I went with my French exchange in 1991. It's Paris. How's it going? Does it really bring all this stuff up? Yeah. I agree. G-R-A-I-S. G-R-A-I-L-A. L'Grey. Yeah. Yeah, then the...

Oh, L'Grey. Yeah. I really... I really hope it's my fantastic former colleague, one of my... She's French. Oh, lovely. And has now... And now lives in France. So, you know, maybe. Yeah. So we have that. But then we have the... The plane crash. Yes. It's pretty impressive. And they definitely milk... And I find... I begs to difficulties. For the people who are hang... You don't actually see it crash. You see it moving slowly while someone's hanging onto a tree.

But when it starts exploding, that's when it's good. The fire. The pyrotechnics in it, I don't really... So I've... My notes start... No titles, because I thought, genuinely, this film started with a title sequence or credits. Then I looked up who would direct it and remember it's David Heming. So I was kind of excited by that, because I do like a lot of David Heming's films. To be fair to him, he did a terrible job with this film. And then I've said, it starts like Emadale.

Right. Yeah. Do we remember the infamous Emadale? I've never seen an episode of Emadale. Oh my God. Oh, yeah. So in about 19293, very controversially, around the time, my grandmother had to go at the producer of Emadale Farm. And TV's killer Roy, because they dropped the farm from Emadale. They called a huge amount of the cast by having a Russian plane crash in Meckendale.

So now, and I looked up this recently, actually, the after the plane crash in Meckendale, the village was renamed Emadale to get rid of the memory of the horrific events of that plane crash. So Beckendale doesn't exist now. The village is now called Emadale. Where you just used to be the farm. It's quite interesting. Okay. And so, yes. That plane crash was very reminiscent, wasn't it, of the Lockerbie plane crash? Well, that was the vibe wasn't it?

That was very, very controversial at the time, but literally only about five years after Lockerbie had turned it into a soap story line. Yes. Which was very, which probably I'd be quite interested to rewatch, actually. I remember it being quite well done at the time, with the special effects. I remember the wool pack, particularly suffering quite badly. And the gambler in the wool pack was crushed by a beam, I think.

Was it on a part with the clip of the beer still blown up and he's the energy sent me on? Yeah, when you... It's about on a level with that. I mean, the plane crash at the start of this film is a lot of very slow, locked off camera shots of a slowly moving jumbo jet. And people in seats screaming, but it's not like, you know, when they used to do on the Starship Enterprise that they'd move in time with the camera to make it look like they were... No one is doing that on this plane.

So it just looks like it's taxing along before it's even taken off. Then it kind of crashes in inverted commas, but then is the bit that's kind of... It kind of impressive where obviously they've spent the whole budget on huge bioretechnic support. And then they have a lot of... I felt good footage of almost like documentary, so I started putting it off them, going through the rubble and like finding bodies and stuff like that. And that made me...

Maybe think a bit of like sort of spillbook type films. And maybe it's just like the same kind of lenses and stuff they were using. But I felt that all that part was really quite well done. And like we said, no dialogue until we get Tim Reister and not sort of commentating it for the news. Yes, and that's where the film starts to lose oral perception of reality. I mean, you're introduced to characters without dialogue in the plane

so there's a little girl with a doll. There's an old man smoking a cigar or something. Maybe there's Robert Powell who is emitting such unforgettable lines that has dropped the fuel. Or... It starts in a really inauspicious strange way where you're not really introduced to the characters. And then you're straight into a plane crash, which isn't very well choreographed. A really odd plane crash. It kind of suggests that he's landed it and it's like taxing along... And then it explodes.

And then it's in a field. And that's minor. Weird explosion. It blows up in a way that you wouldn't... And again, this is dreadful. You know, modern world history has told us this. But after 9-11, we've seen what happens when planes crash into things as they eat. It doesn't look anything like this. No, no, no. Explosions don't go off in a line. It goes, boom, boom, boom. It blows up in a light.

But you also are introduced to other characters who then you never see again, like a guy in a green jacket who's in like a 7-11 store kind of set up. All these people, like, rush out of what looks like... Oh, it's a photographer. It's a photographer. No, it's a different guy. Oh, right. It's a different guy. That's what I thought. Is it the guy he's looting later on and then dies on the... No, no, no, no. That's the... It's like, boom.

It's literally just like a guy that you see a few times who looks a bit like the man... Who has sex with Jamie Lee Curtis in the fog. Yeah. In the vest. And you're like, oh, okay. But this is what makes me think that this film was just really badly edited. Or they didn't get enough footage. I think, yeah, it's more, I think it's more a case of they didn't shoot enough to then cut it together in a cohesive or... Yeah, it just makes no sense.

Yeah. Then, so then basically we have scenes where a photojournalist just happens to live next to the crash site. He rushes back to his... Yeah. ...seas girlfriend gets more filmy needs more film as he keeps saying to. Yeah. So they run to the crash site. He's just allowed in willy-neely to take photos. Tim Rice turns up fresh from writing Phantom of the Opera or whatever. But it's easier. It's easier. It's about a fire out of easier. I'm not sure. Between David Essex's Chagavara.

Oh, what a circus. What a show. Oh, that's just before he was made in the head of the chips. He's actually... David Essex. Yes. Anyway, sorry. But I think when it all just soon after something like that would happen, you would have no one have a control over who's got access to the site and people... ...didn't happen. I don't know. I found it pushed realism to the point to make points that it doesn't really need to make where he's like photographing doll that's on fire and stuff.

And just corpses. Causes. Yeah, he takes it. Yeah, which is very strange. And in the book, it's like a school photographer taught company. And the guy just takes advantage of the fact that that's happened. He takes it as a picture. But then he starts... And it's a Jewish guy. And it's a really like... Anti-Semitic stereotype in the book. The guy doing lots of like, you eat-ish stuff at length. And like, trying to make as much money as he possibly can out of selling all these photographing stuff.

And it's not... It's not very... Very in mind where this film goes through. Is it like anything to do with being a golem? No. Or anything like that. Oh, as you said that, I thought, okay, the whole thing of... You know, an inanimate body being raised to life to... Are you smiling in the end, in nature? Bring about revenge. Oh, come on. Is it if anyone's listening to this? Oh, what might happen here? Yeah. Anyway, yeah. But this is what we see Robert Powell just appear like...

Everyone's dead, but he's just... He's unharmed and just walks out of the flames. Is that what happens? Because I can't remember seeing him come out of the flames. I don't know if I'm watching the wrong version at this point. He just appears out of the flames. Oh, okay. And he's unhurt. Matthew Holtness is brilliant, Gareth Morengi, which we've spoken about before. Yeah, yeah. His latest book starts off with what I now understand to be a riff on this.

A feature that's like the carries of walking away from his second plane crash. Right. And now, like, I see. I see. Well, maybe Ferrari just like dead all along. And he's just got some unfinished business. It's solely suddenly. Yes. It is. In Kassarat, I think, is the second book that is in Kateratoma is the first one. Yeah. And then in Kassarat. It's in Kassarat. There's quite a nice shot of seeing like cloveing and the trees and stuff. Yes. Which they also did in Emma Dale.

And I got to say in defense of this film. And I will expand upon this later, but in defense of this film, it is shot. Whoever was the D.O.P. does a really good job because it actually looks really good. Yeah. I think it's the story itself and a lot of the direction that lets it down. It's fantastic lighting, especially later on. Yeah. Yeah. But then you have this again, once you know, when you're watching the film for a second time. There's lots of little clues in this.

What's the name of the main character? Keller. So the main character here is Keller, who what's the name of the actor? Robert Powell is playing Keller. But Paul. He wakes up in an overexposed white room. It's very much a heaven, isn't it? Now. Now. Yes. But there's also a bit where he shouts nose for no reason. Yeah. And it just cuts away. So what do we say? If he is already dead at that point, what do we think? Is he some kind of what what is the point?

Well, I can tell you what the point in the book is, but there's no point. There's no fucking point in the film. Because he is interacting with living people in this film. Is it Paul? Or is it including the woman he was having in a fair with? Yes. So it's the see her. And then she disappears for the rest of the film. None of that makes sense. Okay. So I've got to sort of go on. And then in the book, he's not the pilot. He's the co-pilot. Oh, yes. And he's lost his memory.

And there's lots of red herrings as sort of like, it's the first half of it. It's like, because at least they kind of get to the conclusion there was a bomb on the plane. But they're trying to work out who it is. So at least I just remember that he starts to figure more. Maybe he did it and he's forgotten. That's quite a good idea. But then they, and it's the pilots, um, wife he goes to see who's being able to affair. And then he has memories of his of the pilot being really angry with him.

And before they, and he thinks, oh, do we have an argument? And, uh, first we did, we have an argument and then the pain crashes and that. Or did he like go mad and then tried to put a commit suicide by a bomb in the plane? And, and then there's this whole thing about again, like, Jewish, um, uh, uh, terrorists, potentially. Uh, doing it as well. So there's more sort of, um, 1970s anti-Semitism in it and all that. But there's this whole kind of like who done it kind of thing going on.

Yes. And that's why they got this hot. And also it's a way of him having a flashback sex scene of him having sex at the point. Jesus. Um, and talking about, um, schoolgirl breasts and it and stuff. Oh my god. And just, and just saying, you know, even though she's in her 30s, you know, she still looks quite youthful. So he does quite fancy. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I was surprised there was no sex scenes in this film actually because it bearing in mind when it's from.

It's like everything from that era had to have something. That's why I thought they drink the sex for the dance. Of her. Yes. It's a whole bunch of people. Yeah. So I've written cotton is back. And then I've written, would you let a crush victim onto the site? The next day. No, he wouldn't. I just let him walk. So he's been in hospital. He's been in a bed. They've looked at him. He's shouted nurse.

And then the next day in the in the timeline of the film, he's back looking and having a poke around crash site. The crash site at that point would be forensically closed, wouldn't it? Wouldn't have people going through it and stealing balls of crispy. Even in the 70s, it wouldn't have idiots blundering around, especially this photojournalist guy who was just allowed in with his camera, which is a practica. And I've got to point out to camera nerds out there.

Practica is literally besides a zenit, which was made in the USSR. Practica is the shit as camera brand of all time. And any photojournalist wouldn't, a professional photographer wouldn't have a practica. And it's just stupid. But then, so what happens then? Basically, I've then said 20 minutes in and I have no idea what Jenny Agator is doing. So like, no one has dialogue until like 25 minutes in. No, she keeps turning up and then they get playing this.

So it's sound effect, which is later on they say that's a sound of a death rattle, but it's like a. Well, I hear the sound. Oh, Is that the role Harris thing? You are? Is that the phone? No, it's not when I had before. That's when we did the shout. So yeah, it's always Jenny Agator, like. Yes, it's basically that, isn't it? But there's no explanation or kind of, I mean, there's a few. Let's carry on anyway. So it's explained as amnesia, isn't it?

Yeah, but in the book, they try and get me to be a pilot again a couple of days after he's done it. And they say, and they get back up there, that he's like, I can't, I can't do it. Is that a fall enough a bike? Yeah, exactly. They said you just need to get back up there. Yeah, and but he goes to see his mate. His mate is what one of the investigators and his mate is kind of like, I should be telling you this by figures of bomb.

And they just say, and they say that this guy, he was a. He always goes a bit row, he like comes up with fear and then tries to make the, the facts fit the. The thing is, yeah, he's always right. Amazing. Yeah, but it's all in, yeah, like it's all in eastern to the, and there's bits of it. I feel like they just lifted out of a guy book of eating and like descriptions of like, what the roads are, what the certain like carvings on different buildings are and stuff.

You stumble into a scene then where the photojournalist happens across him, being reunited with his. The woman you're having a fair with. Yeah, I don't know what you mistress let's say for the sake of a better phrase. Which happens outside on a balcony. You've no explanation why or how the photojournalist has managed to just pop up there. Just find them in a random, you know, city address. And then he, he's shown as being kind of hidden in bushes, but then Robert Powell kicks off.

And he's literally just right next to them just looking away. And it's like, it's like something up there, like little enlarge or something. It just makes no sense. And then he, Robert Powell goes to punch him and calls him a little shit. Throws his camera in a bush and then kicks the guys out. I like down some steps. But for the whole time, this guy doesn't emit one word of dialogue. Which makes you think like he's like Tracy on his tenders.

He's like, not if he says a line they're going to have to pay him more or something. And then they just laugh of each other. But then you cut to him looking for his camera. And there's an obviously dubbed line, which I couldn't make. I played it back about three times where it says something about having an affair with the airline boss. But you can't hear what they're saying. And we then get, as John has already previously mentioned, the most open crash scene in the universe it seems.

You are Australian police force. It reminded me in many, many ways of like when we watched Quasimass. It's like, yes, crash rocket and people were just wondering. Just walk on. Just walk. That's the crash site. That someone has gone. Oh, so you're what made. There's been a plane crash. There's been a big explosion of aviation fuel. But I better tell you what. There's probably going to be a couple of things there that I. Duty free. Duty free. I can get on on it. And that's exactly what happened.

A bottle of whiskey, which he then like attempts to spirit away. However, one of the probably two Australian policemen sports him and basically it costs him for stealing from the dead. That's making an official goal. Of course. And we point that because that comes back later on. Yeah, but what they're doing here, they're given these people like some kind of sin so that they have a reason to be killed by the spirits. So, but because in short, dear listener, here we go.

Here's plot point number one. Anyone who has profited from the deaths of anything to do with his plane crash is killed. There you go. So that's like part of the one that I have literally written down why are the spirits? Why do the spirits become these? This is a trope that you get lots in horror, which is the wrong spirit is back. And how they manifest this spirit initially is from this dead girl. Yes, we do see is all burned later on.

But once again, because of the budget involved, even though it's incredibly both expensive Australian film ever, the makeup isn't in any way shape or form disturbing or something. No, they came to the brown. They came to the brown. And I put down that when the girl turns up to tall men and sort of summon to his death, the photographer. Like, I put down this could be really creepy and good. But instead, she's just like just generally stood behind them.

And I've put, it's really hard to build up any horror vibes in broad Australian sunlight. Because it's all filmed at like midday and it's really bright. Yeah, and it's got that sound of that bird you always heard in the background when they showed the outside of Lassiter's... Gagabara, mate. Probably a Gagabara. I'm going to say. You're going to say you're great galav. Yeah, yeah. So, yes, that's what we see.

We then see that the photographer who had taken all of those pictures off the crash night. Like, yes. Oh, come back. Come back, he young girl. And then sort of chase his after it. And then I just put rubbish train related death. Yeah. He's, he's summoned to his death. That's the first bit of that sequence. It's quite creepy where her hand reaches up to touch his hand. But after that, it goes to pot of it. My notes around this stage are mini moke.

Yes. Someone turns up in a mini moke, which is like the official aircraft investigation vehicle. It's like a mini moke with a flag on the back, which I just think is amazing. Like, why would you have that for a crash site? And then I've written 30 minutes in. There's been no horror. For at least the first 30 minutes in this film, there's no horror at all is there. Well, interesting, interesting show that we did. Just to show you that I'm not making up 33 minutes. Yeah. Is what my notes are then.

They cut out like again in the book, loads of stuff that's happened by this point. And they just cut it all out. And I think that's what they were saying. Do they go to the gory side of things? Or do they try and keep it a little bit more like spooky and stuff like that? And I think it's through its detriment. That nothing scary is happening at this point. But I thought they had made it gory. I thought that was the issue. No, it was the other way around. They took a good look around. Oh, right.

And then I've written and I can't remember what the sequence is. Can Agatha hear the screams? Yes. Well, that's what she's writing along, like, along the river to go to a house, which is full of stone cherubs for some reason. And why does a fisherman get drowned? Okay, because that's the man who's the. Because he's the gallroth, John. Oh, who's going to be lucky? And I didn't recognize him at all. And I was like, this isn't usually like vicious on a guy who's just like going for a fish.

But you don't. Well, and that's that's why it's that whole thing of all that's why they went out of their ways to show you him stealing from the crash site. Yeah. A see would then be the next victim of vengeance. And I said, oh, my God, this is so kind of, but you don't see. You just see some like struggle and then fall of the water and drown. You don't see any of like the hands dragging him down and stuff. No, I can't afford it.

And then it's weird that all the water runs out of the lake that he's in. And then his boat is just on the bottom of a dry lake. And he looks at his wine glass and then looks to the camera and then it cuts in the next scene. Which, which James Bond film is that? I don't know. I can't remember either. Double take man, isn't it? Yes. Very pleased with that show. It's all the Roger Moe ones, but I can't remember. I'm reading what my word is my bond. Amazing.

And there was a point when he's first flat in L.A. Yeah. They had a shared room. Who any shared it with William Shatner. Oh, my God. That's a sick compliment. Oh, that's been the 20th century peaks. Yeah, it is. What a pair of absolute legends. Legends. Right. So after this, they then decide to have the memorial, which once again, because they obviously needed to use this set. Having spent so much money on it. Yes. Has the memorial literally went away?

Where your loved ones are feet away from you. Yeah. And I think they're still, they're still pushing away. They're still pulling out like, do you have any corpses and stuff? Yeah. And they're doing a canoeing now. So don't turn any flowers where the lights are. That's where the bodies are. So in the first place. That's wrong. But there's a bit of what really remind me of yours at that point, where the mother sees Robert Powell. And it's like, you know, it's not fair that you survive.

You should have survived. Yes. Yeah. But Robert, you just walks away and doesn't really do any acting. It turns up in a really fake looking captain's uniform as well. Like Thunderbirds. And what it made me think of, and again, you know, the whole kind of, I mean, to pad this one out slightly, because it's a very thin gruel of a film. And is that I put the vibes of him turning up at the funeral is like John Landis turning up at the funeral of those kids.

After the Twilight Zone movie, which just in case they're listening, in case you're unfamiliar with this, John Landis, the film director, the guy who directed, did we talk about this when we were talking about this? Yes, sir. We've talked about this. Yes. That he was responsible for the deaths of three people after being told by health and safety people do not do this. People died. They were cut to bits by by crashing bloody helicopter.

And then Landis had the balls that turn up and they're funeral going, oh, I'm really sorry, everybody. I still find one of the most remarkable things. It's a bit like that. So I've just put down John Landis vibes for that scene. Turned up. Sorry, everyone. Sorry, I killed everybody, you know, but here I am. So yes, right. Yeah. And I've then put in 53 minutes in boring, not much is happening. And then I've then put, hopefully, Jenny Agasuck now speed this up a bit.

Yeah, but all she is is really cryptic. Well, there was just a little horror really. She gets chased by like sound effects. And then well, the power goes to see her. And she basically says these, the spirits of all the people on the plane are, you know, they need their, their traps. You must help. Yeah, surely you can hear them. And he's like, oh, this is mad. And then she freaks out and starts attacking him. Yeah. But at this point, doesn't she realize that he is already dead?

Because my thought from quite early on is that he's already dead and he's a ghost. All right. Oh, wow. You called it. Yeah. Yes. I didn't, I didn't get that. Well, my one from that is in terms of, and again, I'm, I'm like, they do on countdown in this country. Show your workings. My notes say, I'm going to guess that it's the arsehole from the plane company that was just possible. Yes. And he's basically the guy in Aliens, isn't he? No reason. Who's like, no, we're going to get the alien.

You're all, you're all expendable and it's fine. John, do you know that the poor riser, the actor who was the book in Aliens has done a comic saying, what if he didn't die? Like a Marvel what if? Seriously. But what would have happened? Because, yeah, yeah, like what if they did manage to get the aliens and take them back to a way within about 10 minutes of him dying in that film, they knew the site from space, don't they? That's what I haven't even read it. I was again.

When the shot in the whole series of books, they know our captain couldn't get it done in general. Yes. Yes. And also again, making one list in the turn off at this point, they kind of established that don't they Ross in on the clip show we spoke about this on the last series of Picard's when they go into like the museum. And they've kind of got the body of James T. Kirk in inverted commas. Yeah, it's just an animation.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they obviously just ready to bring him out at some point anyway. Oh, I'd like to see that. Oh, yeah, do so John. It's good. It's good. Anyway, yeah. Right. We then get the spirit of engines continues and then gets the go friend of the photographer as well. Yes. Yes. This is where I dipped out because my dear listener, my I had quite a stressful day today that I broke my glasses this morning. So they're super glued together.

Then my bank cards stop working and then on the way back from the garden center, my driver's side window fell out and into didn't break, but fell out inside the car door. It's the spirit. It's a spirit. The ventual, the ventual spirits were really annoyed with me for this film. So I dipped out at this point because my mental health was suffering. Is that what you didn't see any work further from this point in?

Well, I watched the ending and I couldn't make head and a tale of what was going on at the ending. So I decided it looked like the video of take my breath away by Berlin. Well, it can turn a lights on as he was walking towards him. Yeah. It makes no sense. He just spouts a load of gibberish. Yes. No sense. Okay. So we'll be saying he should explain who essentially boss. Yeah. The guy who is looking, who's in charge of the flight investigation.

There's a point where he goes into the plane and he hears the sound and he bangs his face and then after he's got a thing on there. And I feel like it's implied at that point he's been possessed. Well, I watched that part and I said large parts of the film are invisible. I watched that sequence and there's about five minutes where you can't see anything. It's just totally blabbering. Yes. And it's like there's a lot of people I put another scene of dimly lit crash scene meandering.

People just walking through wreckage and then into the plane and then it's black for like three minutes. What the fuck is going on? The most expensive Australian film of all time. Yeah. To that point, to that point James, I'm sure that crocodile D2, I'm sure, surpass this in terms of. Well, I think the movie Australia. Yes. I was just getting it that way. Anyway, let's move on. Let's move on. Not much. It was so bad. But they'd like to make a TV series based off of it, which is equally bad.

Jesus. Anyway, anyway, so later who's a investigator, he's based, he's, so Hobbs becomes possessed. And then says he, then they go to get some help from the, the vicar to say that we need you to, we, sort of like we live the events of the crash. I see that. I'll have that. And that's when you find out that they what happened there was a bomb on the plane. Yes. And the husband of the movies have a affair with the bomb on the plane.

But it wasn't him who, who brought it on, but it was in his, the bomb on the plane. Then you see one of the other investigators filing a bit of a briefcase and it's implied that he realizes from doing that, which bag had the bomb in it. Bomb in it. Yes. But then earlier that we've got these fragments, which suggested a bomb. Yeah, but then it's like, it's kind of implied that the slate guy then kills the other investigator because he feels like that's the only thing about how it does.

There's no, there's no link to him at all at that point. And then he, he starts calling himself the hunter. And it's all with, that's why I think he's implying he's possessed. And also I've got knowledge of what's in the, in the book. But then, and he kind of had to, this whole thing, he, he shoots Robert Powell, kills him. And then the record of the plane just catches, catches fire, doesn't it? And there's really, they're both burnt alive. Hold on, aren't they?

Yes. Russ, I think you really, as you said, really need to point out that, that, that couple of things. Number one, earlier on, there's also a scene when the other crash investigator, the one that is killed by the, turns out to be the bad guy who kills a priest. A stashy old, old bad guy who is in charge of the airline. No, he's ahead of the investigations. Okay, but all right, okay, so he's the head, the one show.

But they also, they say, how could it be that Robert Powell has walked out of this? Because as the pilot, he should have been on the flight deck. And there's no way that he could have got off of it. So they, once again, as we said earlier on, they give you numerous clues to the fact that maybe not all is as they keep showing the, the, the cop, the, the, the, the cop, it and go, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And then, you know, so as you see, he admits Robert Powell turns up, confronts him. We then get the weirdest, most abstracts. It is the weirdest, I'm going to put the dialogue in to the edit now because it makes no przykład. Can't you hear them? They surround you, holding me for your arrival. It's a beautiful object, isn't it? Play. Now, pieces. You were one of those plotting to end my career. I built up this air life. It's mine to keep or destroy. Planted a bomb in Logan's case.

The man of emotional detachment, the man of science and technology, the deduces. I knew it would be you, Captain. First Tussle and then you. I've seen Tussle. I killed Tussle. He was beginning to know too much. I was to build. I was to admire. I was to destroy. This plotter of yours, these chattering friends, they hang on my wall and on my wall they are. You murdered 300 innocent people. Why? I would like to know why.

Revenge. I have the imagination for the kill. And crushed by the thousand when the elephant falls. Why should I feel something for nothing? 300 no bodies. It was perfectly tied. Logan was predictable. Sad trait. You managed well. You survived. Some of the others would have too bad for the fire. But you didn't predict their power. They have it left you. Have it. The hunter. Or whatever you call this mindless being that you are, is hopeless.

Because they won't leave you alone. They want you, Captain, not me. The last one. I merely stare in wonder at an elegant totality. I see it. I want it. They wish to wreck their vengeance on me because you alluded them. So be it. But the preternatural is a tiresome eating for a practical man to comprehend. Then we both learn something, haven't we? And we shall both have to compensate for the experience. The death rattle. The death rattle that will quiet when the last nerve has been twitched.

Now it's yours. I just freestrate. No, it's brilliant. And then I just, what a surprise. It was all along. Why? No idea. And there is not expressed to the viewer. No. Any way, Shane Pymel. Why this guy wanted to blow up his own plane? Yes. His airline's own plane. Wikipedia claims that he's done it. So he was doing it. So he could take control of the airline. Oh, OK. Oh, nice. And he's like, isn't explaining the film at all. Is it in any way?

No. When you see someone coming out of the flames at the end, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. Is that Robert Powell? No. Let's see. I'm so glad. That's the bad guy. Because Wikipedia claims that that is Robert Powell. No, no. No. So at that point, I was very confused as to what was going on. But then there is a coder at the end. Yes. Yeah. And you they find it off. Yeah. That Robert Powell's body was in the cockpit. And he's been dead the whole time. Yes. All along.

Which I put. What if they wouldn't have looked in the cockpit? That's impossible. And then then they cut back to the plane flying over. Yes. And the ghost children, which is something that happens in the middle of the film as well. Which we've seen. We forgot to mention that. But you see him fly fly like a fixed wing aircraft. Don't do it. The plane. Yeah. That he's kind of what's he doing? He's kind of familiar. I can't force. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He wants to make sure that he's okay to fly.

Yes. So. And then yeah. So the effect the makeup on him at the end is quite effective. Actually. But it does. Yes. It's it's it's it's fucking sink as well. Oh, God. And then a few people go. But that's impossible. Yes. But then you think all of the people like the people at the service. Yeah. Yeah. All saw him. Yeah. The various people at the hospital would have seen him. And everyone's just like. Yeah. And this would be the.

And it would have been in the bookies and newspapers and stuff as well. So that. Oh, my God. This did happen. This would be a documented. With. With multiple witnesses of a man coming back from the dead walking around in the film. Do you think there's a case for Jenny Agatha placing his dead burnt body in the plane after she's seen?

No. No. No. No. No. Because I was questioned. And if that that's what had happened, because otherwise, how is he in the plane beside the fact that it's a made up story and it makes no sense. It just makes no sense. Okay. So do you want to know what happened in the book? If you could summarize it in one paragraph. Okay. There was a guy who had a company which made some kind of like special engines. And he got bought out by the man who ran the airline.

Yes. Basically, he sort of ripped him off. So this guy had like a vengeance against him. Also, the guy. He had some kind of disease. So he's. He had to tape his eyelids open so otherwise he could keep his eyelids open. So that's another sort of. I know he feels. Yeah. Anyway. Watching this film. I felt like that. So he plants. He swaps the. He bits a bomb in the guy who runs the airlines bag and swaps back. So essentially, that's why the bomb happened. But what?

So what's what also happens? There is a guy on the plane. Who is like the equivalent of Alistair Crowley. He's like a. He turns out like he's a big sort of like a cultist black magic guy. So and he dies in the plane crash. But because he's so like evil. And powerful. Yeah. He stops all the. He stops all the spirits of the people on the plane from leaving. Going to the afterlife. And he's caught keeping them all to him. So there's a kind of like that's why we were the ghosts of them.

And it's like. And he's like a demon who's then going around. And using the spirits of the. Of the of the ghosts to kill loads of people in eaten. They bring color back from the dead in order to kill the man. Who did who put the bomb in the plane in order for them to be set free. But the last minute he he doesn't kill him. He refuses to do it. But something happens so that the guy actually killed his anyway.

So then he ends up going to heaven with all the spirits of the of the people and stuff like that. Does he fly them in a plane? So that. So it's at least it's made up. But it makes sense. And there's a like it kind of makes us why things are happening. Whereas I feel like in the in the film all that stuff is cut out. And it's it. Yes. So nothing over the show. It makes it. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm just going to take some of the things which they did change. So so Hobbs is a man.

A medium in this. And he's someone. Not large. Oh yeah. Yeah. But he's he's someone who tried he's trying to stop being a medium because when he does a mediumship they take over his body. Yes. So he goes to Keller and said like the spirits are trying that they need you to do something. So that they do but they do like a say on. But then like the the demon guy the the call just takes over and starts like come back. And all this kind of stuff now attacking him. You have to beat that.

You'll have to beat the word out. That's just for us. That's just for me. But then he ends up like smashing a glass and like smashing himself in the face of it. Oh wow. And all that kind of stuff. That's good. But so the the the photographers there's two photographers they get killed in in different ways. Right. Like the Omen. Yeah. But the the person who gets killed on the railway tracks is a fat boy from Eastern. So like.

That's why these are things which like remember we said that in James Herbert books. People who get killed always people who he feels they've got something wrong with them. So there's a there's a fat boy who doesn't like doing sports. He gets killed. There is. Yeah. There's a yeah 100%. There's a couple in a in a in a mini where the guy the woman the guy is like trying to touch her up and the. How are they profiting off of the crash?

They're not that that whole thing is something which you that's dependent. He's just like people who are doing. So the person who's in the boat he's not like a looter. He's some big massively obese man. Another fat person he doesn't know who is had an affair and he's his wife and stuff. And it's quite rolled down. Yeah, it's like. But the other one is like there's this woman who's an antique dealer who loves joy. Yeah, can we play but love could be. Mary the sky. Who basically made it made.

He made her. Sorry. You married this guy and then forced. I heard to let him have anal sex with her and then what the fuck. And then started bringing gay men home and have a sex with them in the house. But he's just saying so much. She started slowly poisoning him until he turned into like a like a half dead, a macyated corpse. But then he then becomes possessed by the demon and then like grabs on jumps out of the house. Is this all in. In the book. Yeah, it's all like it's going.

But then he at the moment of death, he sees. Keller as like the. As a go. So when that happens, like this naked, like half starved, half poison man comes smashing through a window with the what died. Keller goes over. So it's trying to try and help. And so they're going to come. That's going to have a pint and they just leave that. It's just it's nuts. Well, that's like the bit in the film where the guy sees the ghost girl.

And the and the doll and then he goes outside the cemetery or whatever it is and just lights up a bag. Yeah. And if I had to me, I would literally fill my pants. So we're just be like, actually, I might just to get over this. I might just have a ciggy. Yeah. Well, that's very James, but isn't it? Joseph cotton as fuck all to. Yeah. So you didn't even need to be in it like that whole part could have been anyone could have been Denon Elliott.

Yeah. But I was say, if you take out all of the problematic stuff anti-Semitism, zoomophobia, people and anti-fitness in it. The book is actually I quite like the idea. You would you like it? Yeah, I think someone accidentally like some black magic person accidentally got killed. Then becoming like saying, I'm going to keep all these spirits here. That feels like something like like the poltergeist. It feels like the whole thing of mebohit. Yeah, in porticoz too.

That that priest was keeping all the spirits with him and wouldn't let them go. I quite like that idea. That's not a British film sleeve. So you can't bring it up in the pantheon. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. Well, when it also reminded me of something that I mentioned way way back when we used to do something horrific, the now sadly no longer with the horror writer Joel Lane. Yes. I said, oh, come on. I've really enjoying his short stories.

And that was one of his is he does sort of like the sleight of hand in that you think you're with a particular character. And it turns out that this character is in fact the ghost who's getting his ongoing revenge on the person. Oh, no way. That's a good idea. Yeah, it's really good. It's terrific. I would do. I would read it because it's only once again. And maybe his thing here, a short story. So you get that done. And I think it does it in like 20, 30 pages.

I would gladly read the whole thing as a Patreon exclusive. I love a short story. Oh, great. Oh, absolutely. I'm going to say to me and I'll pop it on the page. Yeah. So. Yes. What did we think? And this is where I'm prepared to be controversial. Okay, I'm going to give it a one out of five. Yes. Surely for the cinematography of the crash of the crash area. Because I thought that to me looked great. I just loved how that looked. Yeah. But the story just made no sense at all.

You can't have a twist like that in a film. If there's no there's no reason for it to happen in it. And you can't have like a mystery about like. Who blew the the plane up? If it's like someone who's got no reason to do it at all. And also with the whole kind of check off scum thing. The fact that the like all out of the characters we've been introduced to. Who may be responsible for this? Is it the only person? Oh, yeah, it is him. Yeah. The only person who's not dead or. No, kind of.

I would say in the book that the person who does it is introduced way late in the book. And it's okay. Who is this person? This is part of the first thing that's been so many like red hair is up into this point. Yeah. Yeah. For me. And this is where I'm going to be controversial. Even though I didn't watch all of it. And I thought it was fairly shit. It did actually give me the creeps. And I found the atmosphere to it quite unsettling. That's just Australian. In general, isn't it?

And I don't know what Australian is. The music I thought was quite good. And usually I just thought there was something about it that was strangely. I don't know how to describe it. They're all like sleepwalkers sleeping through this weird green. Half a half a half a half a film. Yes, it really feels like a tax write off. It's really half a but there's something about it which it. I'm sure 99 people would watch us and say this is just a pile of shit.

But something in me found it really quite creepy and unsettling. And I don't know why. Maybe it's because I had that coronation chicken. Or because my car window fell out. But there was something I was watching. I thought out of all the things we've watched, this is probably the one thing that I found weirdly. The most unsettling, the strange. And then I've seen at the end where he's talking to Robert Powell.

He's talking gobbledygook and then what but Robert Powell is walking on just putting the lights on. One by one. Yeah, it's really cool. And like this makes no sense. But there's something about their performances which is quite dreamlike. Yeah. Quite an unsure. A bit like the happening. Have either of you seen the happening? No. With Marky Mark. I'm familiar with it. It's a M night show. I'm a man. So that's quite a cult film. And I think a lot of people thought it was shit.

But that gave me the creeps a bit because it's like it must be deliberate. The way that it's done. And I'm not saying this film is deliberate. I don't think it's actually that good. But there is something about it which gave me the creeps. And I would probably rate it higher than I thought I was going to. Just because of the music. The atmosphere is weirdly unsettling and quite dreamlike because it's like. There's no semblance to reality whatsoever. Does it? Let's face it.

There's something about seeing a film like the happening or several like this. But someone spent a shit loads of money on something. You've got a really good cameraman filming it. And a great cast as well. And it not making any sense because then your brain is like. I must be missing something. There must be some kind of like semi-ostics in here which is I. Which I'm missing. Because we've watched, you know, we've watched extra. We've watched life force.

You know, I think at life, was you get that high mark? I mean, that was kind of rip roaring nonsense. This is is got an atmosphere quite unique to itself, which is. I think almost totally by accident, but actually quite interesting. And I was quite surprised. I would, you know, I'd say it was absolute shit. But there is something in it which is just like. Oh, this is quite unsettling and weird. Some kind of enjoy a shit, can't you? Yeah, fuck off. Theory Christ.

Not after that combination chicken sandwich. True. So what are you going to give it? Well, I don't know. Relative to what have I given recent. What have I given recent films, please? You gave it about the night of four. And what is nothing but the night? It's the one with that's another weird fucking film. The Charlemagne films one. Oh, I can speak. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can never remember the title of that one. Yeah, okay, I gave that a four. Yeah, right. I'm, you gave.

Brody Dracula to life force five. Wow. Do you know what? I think I find that my scores change over time. Yeah. Yes. Because now I give like life force like a one. Yeah, I think it is. I think I'd give this a three. There we go. For how I'm feeling now, but dear listener. I saw a few. In a couple of weeks time, I might look back on this film and think, what a load of. Do you know what? Do you know one of the worst ones we've watched? The one with Roddy McDowell in that room with the girl.

The fake legs. That was fucking awful, wasn't it? The legend of Hell House. That was absolutely the pitch. Yeah, right. Can you guess how much you gave up then, John? I don't know. Minus 20. Two and a half. You gave up. See, that's insane. I think I think you could only give scores. After I sit at the mat of time. I think you should go directly from what you think of at the time. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, James, what are you going to give it? James what?

One. One. You said you hated Australia off the end of this. It made me cross Australia. Yeah. I think I really think that James. Come on. If you better. One. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. You read out a YouTube comment from the one from the thing we were doing. This is a good one. Yeah. This is a good one. This is my favourite one. What? Lovely film. Tragic. Tragic. Have to let. Have to let. Have to let. Just by car. What a lovely film. Tragic. Capital is very sad. But. So. So. Still going.

But also stands. But also stands for supernatural justice over corporate greed and injustice. Capital. Yes. Quite like that. That. That reason a bit. It's quite good. I'm not going to give it a five. Just wish such stories were true under current world affairs. But sadly, they're not five heart emojis, six thumbs up emojis, five cross emojis, four salute emojis, and then lots of like angry face emojis. As well say the Daily Mail comments section, isn't it?

Yeah. And then someone else said agafir was in lots of films in the 70s and 80s and then someone gave. Funged up that comment. Yeah. It was agafir. Agafir. Jenny Agafir was in lots of films in the 70s. Oh, Agina. Are you saying Agata? No, I said Agata. I mean. I mean, it's all just. I only gave it a thumbs up for the part where the plain crashes. It's the best bit of the film. That's right.

I read a comment where someone said that they went to America and they had a similar experience to this on their plane. Yeah. What? Which way? We've had that. That point coming into Britain had extreme air turbulence. The big peripheral went crazy. I died my heart. Yeah. And he was heavily involved in Amtram. Yeah. What a way to go. Yeah. Which is sitting next to the modern Alice of Crayola. Yes. I want to say that I found that story heartbreaking. And I know my friends here are laughing.

But I found that story very upsetting. Sorry. Sorry. Okay. Something horrific. So, um, yeah. Apart from that, that's stuck like new story, which is obviously very interesting. Oh, the worst thing. So, we took time this week, Helen and I to watch late night with the death of... Yes. Yes. Which was terrific entertainment. I thought that it didn't need. They kind of tacked on, um, day-to-day style resume of what was happening in America at the time to understand the film.

I don't think it needed that. But I thought the film itself was really good, very entertaining. Slightly dodgy effects. But I thought overall it was really good film. For the budget. Yes. That's what that kind of budget horror movie's effects look like and for sure. Yes. I just think if you can't do effects, don't do effects. I'm talking about the bit where he vomits. Yes. The guy at the start when he does the black vomit onto the camera, it just looks shit like it. I like the old stuff.

Well, that didn't look bad to me. It was just his vomit, I thought. I would love someone like Andy Neiman to like make an immersive cinema version of it. We could do Ghostwatch. You could do a Ghostwatch version, couldn't you? Yes. It was very inspired by Ghostwatch. And my whole thing was it was nice to see that Barry and I were working on the amount of people that had produced it. At the start. Oh, it's that, it's that, it's not. It's about ten different things produced.

Or this being a few now. And it's like another twenty minutes going. Obviously that shows that they had to rush a lot of money from all over the show. And it's nice to see that a horror film that doesn't just stick to the standard trope. Yes. What gets made of, oh, this serial killer, or this, I'm deaf, it keeps coming back every. It was nice to see that they tried something different, which I think you know, it should be a force.

I think they sat down, looked at how much money they got and thought, what can we do that's different. Working backwards from this endpoint. And to think they did it all within one set. Yeah. It's quite a small cast. Yeah, I just think it's a really clever idea. It's, it's, it's, and it's funny. It's quite good, it's good fun. And it's like, oh, this is quite different to your average kind of. The possession of Millie Evans. Exactly.

You know those kind of films where it's like the house on the more with the haunted family. And the whole those kinds of things, what are they called, not incestuous, insidious. Yeah. Yeah. It's all those kind of films, aren't they? Exactly. They just go on forever in your life. Yeah. This is just ball. But it also reminds me of another film called The Cleansing Hour, which is another shadow original. It will come out in 2019 where a guy becomes popular of being like a YouTuber.

Exorcist. Like the Cleans. Yeah. And then the, he don't basically do this exorcism. And they get in low at least. It's a real one because he's been faking up into an hour. He's he is up doing a real one. And they get loads and loads of people watching it. And then they realize it is the fact that it's getting the power from the people watching. So they got to try and get people to stop watching it. And get off it. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one.

So. My something horrific. It is something that I've meant to talk about for the last two that we've done. And I keep every time we finish, we've got to go, I do stuff. I forgot about it. Yes. Now on, James. What it is is I seldom remember my dreams. And I normally hate it when people go on about my dreams. This is a good start, James. Thank you. I had a, I woke up suddenly from a dream. I thought, oh my God. I had a really vivid dream that Ross was making a film. And he wrote me into it.

I was going to say about this enterprise is that like Ross was really like super enthusiastic about it. Going like, it will work. This will really work in camera. I was like, it won't. It won't. And it featured one scene, Ross where you had to climb up a ladder and then be at the top of the ladder and go, oh, that's over backwards. And I remember going, Ross don't do this. That's so dream James. And then Ross went, oh, it's fine. Because I'm only going to go about five rungs up.

And then like in post production we'll make it look like I've got really high up the ladder. Essentially what they did in the film, four. Yes, right. And I just, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh God. And it just being very, very stressed out. It's brilliant. But then in the crazy dream logic, the guest, it fit the film, featured a guest appearance from two members of the nighties Britpop banked Supergrass. Gas, Cooms and Danny Coffee. Yeah, that is it. And I was like, it's the guy's super grass.

And you were like, yeah, it's fine. It's fine. We're going to film in a minute. And I remember saying to gas cooms in the dream, why are you doing this? Why wouldn't he? Why wouldn't he? And he said to me, oh, well, we had a day off from the tour. And Ross asked us to do it. So I thought, why not? And then in my dream was fine. We got super grass in this film. That's amazing. So my subconscious had this that we made a bizarre general which finders movie film.

Yeah, I was overseeing it, like some sort of praise awesome Welles' escapade. Lovely. Oh, we haven't done what's happened next. No, what's happening? The next time on general witch-winding. A good one I want to watch, hopefully. Well, I was going to say, because I made you watch something quite bad, I'm going to give you the choice between things. Yes. Yeah, go on. The house that's drip blood or the gorgon. Oh, what do you think, James? I don't know. I know nothing of either of them.

So I'm just a person. So I'm just a nerd. Is it amicus? What was you having done yet? That's a portmanteau, isn't it? Yeah. So remind me of the episodes in that one, please. I know this jump. Are we in an angry bit? Yeah. I'm not sure. Let me have a look. Is Joss Akkland in it? A scotting eye of Vesca looks at the four mysterious cases of all involving in it. I don't keep it in the house. And it's tragic. Previous tenants.

One hack novelist encounters a strangler who's a villain of his books leading to his wife questioning his sanity. Two men are obsessed with a wax figure of a woman from their past. A little girl with a stern widow to fire a displays an interest in witchcraft and an arrogant horror film actor British of black cloak gives him vampire powers. That's jumper twin in group. Yeah. The gorgon is. Oh, the gorgon is very good. And it's got Patrick Trouton in in a wig. Another wig. What do we think, James?

Oh, I'm happy with either. We haven't done a play. Man two since the black and white one with the. Yes, the dumb. Oh, dead of night. Yeah, yeah. Let's do this. Yeah, let's do the portman to then. Yeah. Okay. So next time we are going to. I think someone's going to whitejack in it. We're going to visit the house that dripped with blood. Cool. The house that dripped blood. I was going to say the house that dripped blood. And I think that was the first DVD that I was ever bought.

Cool. What's the Kenny Everett film? Oh, something like that. The house that. Oh, it's not that one. Don't watch that. Okay. Oh, it's got denim. Denim Aida in it. I just seen him. Yeah. You're going to cigarette. It's a good. It's just a clen in it. John Brian's John Bennett Denim Aida. Peter Cushion. Joanne Dunham. Tom Adams. Robert Lang. Joe Sackland. Wolf Morris. Christopher Lee. Yes. Yeah. Lots of cool. It's a good.

I think the Christopher Lee one is about a little girl that's like a pyromaniac or something. Okay. You never know the stories. They're on for ten minutes. You're like, God, what the fuck was that about? Yeah. Okay. But angry pits. Looks great in it. Let's say. Join us for that one. Yes, please do. Until next time. Happy day, everyone. All right. Thanks for listening, everybody. Thanks for getting through that with you. Love light and peace. I go and watch it. It's on YouTube.

It's free. Sounded like Johnny Rottenham, please. Nothing. A rude word. Next question. A rude question. You dirty fucking rotter. I got you dirty fucking rotter. Right. Goodbye. You have been listening to the general which finders. Support the show and continue the conversation at patreon.com forward slash general which finders. Subscribe and spread the word at www.genwitchfinders.com Very well. And don't have nightmares. Hi, it's Ross from the general which finders.

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I've heard this women at Greenham Common. No, I went, I went, I know, because they filmed Star Wars there. Oh, yes. That's right. I think I went there once with my old dead boss Dave. What, after we done it. But it's, it's genuinely fascinating, because what they've done is they've rewilded the whole place. Yes. So it's all just, it's gone back to nature apart from two areas. One is the original control tower, which they've left.

Nice. And I'll send you this, my favorite, you know, or as you go through, they've got signs up everywhere telling you like, well, what was done here and what was done there? You guys have got to see this. It was my favorite sign. No, it's not. Close. It made me laugh so much. I said to her, I said, I've got to just take a picture in the picture of this. Look at this. See, you make it up. There you go. How strange. Isn't that amazing? Cobbards. This probably. And it's like, well, we were there.

One of the old guys who sort of can give you a bit of a guide. It's all, we overheard him say, oh, we had somebody you hear about half an hour ago. Who was stationed here? I was like, ask him. What was in the cupboard? It was in the cupboard. It's not as if it's like 500 years ago. They're speculating it wildly. Is that people are still alive, you hear? I think it's 500 years ago. They would say it was for ritual purposes. Oh, yes. Anyway, so that's still there.

But the whole runway has been rewilded. So as you walk along, it's incredible. Every now and then you'll just get like, obviously, some piping or things which they couldn't pull out of the ground. Or they've just left. So it's really interesting. And there was, they say, here is the end of what was the original runway from World War II. Everything on from here was where they extended the runway to basically get the nuclear bombers on. Which was like, oh, interesting.

We walked all the way around there. And they then said on the left hand side, here is where they stored all the nuclear weapons. And it was designed to withstand a nuclear harvest. Weapons indeed. So you just think, oh, Flamie, are you mind like our childhoods? And like the role that Greenham plays and like going on about nuclear weapons? Just to see it all like rewilded now. And nature had taken back over. It's fucking brilliant. And it was really lovely walk, too. Because it's all flat.

It's just like, so beyond the fact. When I went with Dave, when he was still alive, this was, I think we were doing a job for a company called Griffin Windows, who were based in some, is it near your oldville, James? Somewhere like that. It's newbury. It's lit. Yes. Two minutes away from you, Bri. Yes, that's right. So the man took us to see the gates. And he said that the rumor at the time was that all of this was a big smoke and mirrors.

And the nuclear weapons were actually stored somewhere else. And then all of a sudden, with the women and stuff. They allowed them all to congregate there just to take the heat off the actual other real location, which to me sounded like conspiracy theory, but quite a good conspiracy theory. Oh, yeah. Yes. But yes, Barry might have didn't cost us a single penny. Oh, that's nice. It was nice. It was nice. I like Trident. History. Everything. Oh, hey. Nice. Sound. Sound.

So what is behind your cleaves? All your doctor who collection and stuff? Yeah. No, no, no shit. And it's going on. There's a. Why don't you ebay it all? Just start again. It's a love it all. I love it. Yeah, I bet you don't look at any of it, do you? I do. I masturbate over it all regularly. Okay. Is that better? Is that better? James say something. You're a little echoey. Hello, can you think you're on? Yeah, I think James is better now. Yeah. All right. Do you want to, should we do it?

Yes. My, my notes are even more than usual. A slightly incoherent because obviously what I watched 20 minutes of a film that had all of the title sequence and all of the credits cut out of it. Yeah. So I was like, this music sounds a bit jarring. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I've only got two pages of notes and I think we can get through the plot in about 30 seconds. Yeah. I mean, I'm doing this no dialogue until the like the 29th minute.

Well, I'll be really interested in what I'm going to do is I've effectively read the book. I've listened to the, the seven hours of audience. So I did it. If him, what's his name? Not Robert Powell. Robert Powell, yeah. Oh, not. I thought you meant James Herbert. Yes. His, his would be an awful voice to listen to for seven hours. So my, my, my hands tugged at the flimsy material. Plastic penis. Pantsies. I rode in to the set on a Harley Davidson. It read in dry ice. I got it.

Yeah, I, so I'm going to take the end. Yeah. I'm going to see what you guys think happened in the film and then I'll tell you what happened in the book. And then I know what Wikipedia said happened. I gave up. Yeah. Well, I tried to read the Wikipedia thing and it just said plot and somebody needs to edit this. No, no. Oh, Jesus. That's how few, that's how little anyone cares.

Right. And then I suddenly, you know, the day when you know, because I, I, I, weirdly enough was listening to the show because I never listened to the clip show that Ross puts together. So I was driving up to Gerstie and I thought, I best put on, you know, just somebody to listen to. The person I find most, most interesting. Yeah. Right. And then afterwards it said, oh, you may also be interested in this podcast. I was like, not one that decades. I will not.

Be interesting if it goes away around. People listen to him and get recommended. I'm going to bring him on. I join us. I attempted to listen to an episode of his podcast as a homework before we started this podcast. And I found it intensely boring. And I thought, this is not what I want our podcast to be like because it's a very kind of scholarly thread. Oh, so we enter the third act of the script and the. Oh, God. It's just very, it's like it's about story writing structure.

I'm sure some people find it interesting. But I listened to one about Dracula Prince of Darkness and it was very dry and just very strange. Did they play Grace James clips during it? Can we get that for three years? 1999. As caught up with me. What's happening? I missed it. I just went with 50 and three years. Oh, fuck off. With 50 and four years. No, right.

I went to the GPs for a check up because dad surviving a bowel and colon cancer and they say, if you have a direct family member who's had that, you should get checked up. And when I went to the doctors, the GPs, he looks at me and he said, oh, how old are you? I'm still half 47. And he said, I was close enough to 50. We can do it now. I was like, no, no, no doctor who was at least 20 years younger than me. You're all fucking tell me on that close to 50. I got that.

I was like, tell me, will you stand on it? Tell us what my body age is. I'm a God, please. You've got the body of like a... What did he say? I'm just working with young people now. I'm sure you will get this chance as well. You might know this, Cleaver. And kids, it just bends your understanding of time that you still feel about eight years. About 18. But that's like 30 years ago. Yes, I know. And you're like, the biggest one, John.

Where's the time, you said before, is that I'm regularly teaching at A level. Students look for their 9-11 is just a historical event that I have in the past. Yeah, the kids found it in class. Would like me to do it with the year 9s. They look at you like, what was it like that day? I'm like, well, surely you remember. Oh, no, of course you don't remember. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's wild, doesn't it? It's already three years, I think. I get that about all kinds of news events now.

I mean, kids don't take any notes off the news now, do they really? No, but the stuff which we saw happened, people are now denying ever happened. Because it's the thing. Yeah, it's insane. But the other thing is, I'm finding, when we were kids, the Second World War, like it was hundreds of years ago. Yes, correct. Now it's come back to the 80th of fact. It feels like, well, it doesn't feel like, you know, it feels like so last week. Yeah, you know, my grandparents won the Second World War.

Yeah, yeah. It's not that long ago. And this weird amount of time. Yeah, perception of time just changed itself. Yes. And you just feel like, like the window of, of peace in Europe, it was like, oh, we did this very, very small. Coming to the clothes now. Exactly. Yeah. They can't talk about what we're no longer got the peace dividend. Yes. That's what we've got no money in that. Oh, yeah. I really remember clearly the 50th anniversary of the start of the war.

And now I'm coming to the 50th anniversary of my own birth. Yeah. Which is just, and I'm just like, what the fuck? That's the difference between 1939, 1978. Yeah. And I'm saying, like, where did all that time go? Yeah. Like 50th anniversary of things is like, things really a long time ago now. Where is now? 50th anniversary now is like, slayed. Yeah. Or like, you know, like, 74. Led Zeppelin, yeah. Well, the kids, maybe, were five years into their career, so 50 years ago.

The kids were say, so like, oh, I'm imagining what the iPod's going to be like when I'm your age. I said, it wouldn't be that. I said, you have no idea what the world is going to be so different by that. I said, I didn't have, I never saw computer in time. I was like, eight. We had to take it in turn to go on one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a big jump, isn't it? I think it's a bit like the jump in the kind of 1910s, 20s where, you know, people suddenly were in motor cars.

When you think of my grandmother was born in 1910, lived through an era of, you know, horses and carts going to, like, the atomic age. She lived from a horse and cart to man landing on the moon. Imagine that changing, you know, and if that's going to happen to your daughter's case, like the iPad to. Yeah. What? Yeah. Unless it all goes to shit and they, and it's like visionaries or something and then we all go back to. Well, again, there is this isn't for the podcast.

I was just, I'm sorry if I've ever mentioned it before, but this is always really stuck with me. I might gays this shared it at the time. And he said that he knew someone because I think this is like portas at the various Cambridge colleges do the job for life. They don't retire, like that takes them out. And so somebody who he knew who was old. So in their 80s, he said the guy that was his porter when he was a Cambridge.

Yeah. The guy that he took over from had been in the battle of Waterloo as a kid. Which is what you can not see if you think about it. But yeah, because they said it's literally three whole like because like these guys all live to be like their 80s and 90s. So it's like somebody really old. Speaking to someone who was really old and taking over from somebody lived a long time. And he was a kid in the, and apparently like he said, oh, what do you remember?

Because you know, he was obviously like with the army as a boy. And he said, what do you remember about Waterloo? Oh my God. And it was like, and I think like Gases put it, it's like all of a sudden the past is alive. Yeah. Yeah. Meet new glasses or want a fresh new style? Try it home for free. What do you do with your old tech? Throw it in the trash? Drop it in the junk drawer? Why not turn it into cash? With trade in from backmarket, you can get paid for your old smartphone, laptop or tablet.

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Yeah. Yeah. Was it the first transmission and they started right in five years before that? Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. I saw the first radio. Oh, yes. Then they're doing the first episode. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is Matt. And I read Mark Gates' first book, which is Nightshade, which is a Doctor Who New Adventure. And that feels like five minutes ago, but that was 1992 or something. I mean, back to tickets to go and see inside number nine. Hmm. I don't think next eight broke.

Yeah. Yeah. Have you watched the new series? I've watched up until the doorbell one. I haven't seen other. I love the door, but I think they've been really good this time. I just thought the last lot were kind of not not shit, but like. Because it's still like a really good thing to watch on TV. But I think this run has been really strong. And then the most recent one is very, it's very within their universe. And it works really well. And it's just like. It's the Escape rooms one.

Yeah. I've seen it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It works really well. Because you're just like, where are they going to take this? And then it goes somewhere completely different, but also very much within where they've been before. Which I think is quite nice. Yeah. I hope the last one might loop it back around. Yes. So do I. Yeah. I might watch the first episode to see. Is that the one? Is that sardines? Yeah. They're all in the in the couple. Yeah. That would be funny.

Yeah. Because it's like that only feels like five minutes ago. And that's ten years ago. Yeah. Oh, God. There we are. I'm going to go and kill myself now. Yep. So we've got to eat a little just dying slowly anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.