45 - Frankenstein and the Monster From Hell

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Witness their journey into the horrific history of British horror. They are. The general which finds us. Ladies and gentlemen, gobbling's of goals. Two thirds of the general which finds us a beset with colds at the moment. John's bum during this report. Three of us are falling apart. It's true. Ladies and gentlemen, gobbling's of goals. James in Bournemouth in southern England. I'm John Pountney in south Wales, which is still in the south of Wales.

I have to get me to explain that joke to it today after 45 episodes. I don't know if it is a joke, but is it? And I'm watching to you, Chester, in southern England and this time we've visited Frankenstein and the monster from hell. You have been found guilty of one of the vileest of crimes. I am a doctor, you know. I have decided to extend my leniency to its limits. By only sentencing you to be committed to the status item from the criminally insane for a period of five years.

I knew you couldn't give up your work completely and you haven't. If I succeeded this time, an emperor sacrifice would have been worthwhile. The monster costs am I? The sea! To Baron Frankenstein, creator of man. If everything could be reborn and blemished, if a new version of his true self could be created, in the normal way by meeting the two with, Sella. So, we return to hammer productions with Frankenstein and the monster from hell!

Film the L Street Studios in 1972, but not released until 1974. I could have find it online why that was the case, but I know. No, I'd be interested to know why. It marks the final chapter in the Hammerfingerstein Starger and director Terence Viches last film, Swan Song. Indeed, this film features Peter Cushing in his sixth and final portrayal of Baron Viches of Frankenstein, apart he originated in 1957's The Curse of Frankenstein, and C General Witchfighter's episode two for more detail. Whoa!

Episode two! Yeah. We were so young and innocent. Cushing helped design the wig for this film, amazingly. Helen Haillie. He later regressed the outcome, say it made him look like the American stage and screen star Helen Hayes, despite being 59 and apparently in poor health when he made this film, once again, his poor, dead, passing wife back to here. Cushing still insisted on performing a stunt, requiring him to leap from a tabletop onto the Hulk and creatures back.

The Hulk and Dave Prowse's back. Prowse's back. Spinning wildly in circles to subdue the monster, gone a muck with a sedative, and what a scene that is. Yeah, you see Tom... Tom... He'll stunt? No. Baker. Cruz. Jump off of a cliff on a motorbike and at nine times. And I was still more worried about Peter Cushing when he was being swung around with B. Prowse's car. And Tom Cruz had a dead wife, though. No, that we know of. No, that we know of.

He probably could pay to have his wife killed and then he raised her from history, couldn't they? Well, that's what David McChapis, I had to say his name just... Miss Gavage. Yeah, that's what he's done to his wife. Who is this? The guy who runs scienceology. Yeah, his wife has just gone missing. And I don't know where she is. So he's like hitting the model there, compounding. No way. You haven't seen Donald Trump's wife for a long time, I feel.

No. Yeah, there's lots of theories saying that she's being replaced. She says she's like a dummy. There's a dummy version, isn't that? Yeah. Go on, so we came to birdies, isn't it? Yeah. Right, anyway. So back on this. So Jane Bryant has Dr Simon Elder. Let's know for his four hammer appearances, including this film and Divans of the Mind, straight on till morning, and Captain Kronos, Vampire Hunter, coming soon from General Witch Fighters. Oh. That was also filmed in 72, but delayed. Was it?

I think so, yeah. Dr reckon it was a money issue, because they don't have enough money to release it with them. May... I don't know, or maybe they just made too much to... And it was a bit of like market saturation by the early 70s, wasn't it? And then it also says, Bryant was also an artist and a novelist, writing the screenplay for a short film, A Message from Fallujah, which was considered. So was that... Is that nominated? He got to the top...

The last ten, was there like a long list of short films? Oh, right. Okay, so basically it was long-list in Frenoska. Yeah. In 2005. No way. He reprised the role of Simon Helder. Ooh. Years later, in the film Sherlock Holmes vs Frankenstein. Oh, yes. I did see. That was his last credit, wasn't it? Yeah, but I couldn't find anywhere what year it was made. So I don't think it was... It was in the 2000s, I think, I saw on Wikipedia. Wow. That's a bit...

But he only died a couple of years ago, didn't he? Yeah, in Australia. Yes. So Madeline Smith as Sarah Angel Clouse, also seen in Hammers, the Vampire Lovers, takes the blood of Dracula, Tam Lin, the theater of blood, she went home to become the first bond girl of the Roger Moore era. Miss Caruso. Hold on, what? In... In Leverland... Leverland died. I think she's disrobed with a magnetic watch.

Yeah, so in the post-opening title sequence of Leverland died, infamous for the scene where Bond does Zips her dress with a magnetic wristwatch. Nice. After taking a break from Axing's eraser door to the shoes, still working her a... Now, at the age of 74, recently appearing in Mark Gates' the Amazing Mr. Blondon. Superb. Oh, no way! There you go, right? I didn't see that. I didn't see that. Now, it's like a kid's thing, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The original is amazing.

Made in 1972. Oh, it's all... It's all full circle. That's all right. Right, and then Ross describes it as a blink-and-you-miss-it appearance. But I would say he's in it, virtually for most of the opening seven minutes. Yes. But there is a... An appearance of Patrick Troucett. Yes. The body stature. King Kong. What wait for it? Wait for it. In the same week. And of course, for us, really, I think, here, the main event. The feature creature, we have Dave. Dave Prouzz is Darth Vader.

The word is in capital letters and underlined. As he would write on any signature, who you would give you? Yes. We should point out for anyone who didn't listen last time or does not know, because there's going to be a lot of Dave Prouzz stuff coming along here. And for years afterwards, Dave Prouzz, when he would sign his signature on any Star Wars related merchandise or images. And if you put it right, of course, Dave Prouzz is capital letters. The word is underlined Darth Vader.

But, you know, we'll go again, more on that show. So he is the creature slash hair Schneider. He was, of course, Axe of Bodybuilder and Strongman Dave Prouzz. He carved a unique part in film history. He is, of course, best known for the co-gavel. James, where is that quoted from? Unique and wrestling film history. I don't write this book. I'm Rob Sinclair. Where is that directly quoted from? Well, it's a mixture of different places. And we use an AI to sort of merge and alter.

How is a unique play from any other actor in the history of cinema? Well, no one else has played Darth Vader and the Green Crosscode fans. So therefore, if you need... No one else has played James Bond and the saint. No, so therefore, what you're watching is unique. So, he is not being unique then. Well, he's unique. No, he's un-unique and unique.

So, as we said, in the original Star Wars trilogy, however, his career stretch barbe on that iconic role, he was a familiar face in the UK as the Green Crosscode man, producing road safety for children. And for people of our generation, my god, iconic. So iconic. Those ads were on all of the time. And when did they finish James? Oh, I don't know. Oh, if you could read it, you'll find out. I'd be interested to know, like, they were probably filmed between like 72 and 75 or something.

And they were like, no, no, no, 30 years. Apparently, I think... Like, some of our listeners, I asked people to relay their experience to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they would all be, like, they brought us as grumpy, like, we are experiencing. Yes. The majority of people said he was lovely and they really loved meeting him and he was really nice. No way. And a lot of our two or three people said he came to their school, dresser, three-year-old, for road man. Wow. I was aware that he did that.

Yeah. And they said it was like a real superhero coming to their school. They were so excited that they were so excited. Oh, wow. Well, never let it be said. We're not like some morons that you're running to on the internet. Constantly stacked by their opinions and never say when they're wrong. Yeah. Like, you're all men enough to say when we're wrong. Yeah. But in our experience, he was always really grumpy. Yeah. And I was always thought that he had a reputation of being a mega mega grump.

I was just going to say, respect you. If other people have found him to be lovely and delightful, then... Great. How many people sent a story's cleave? And more than that. I think more, at least a dozen. They won't know. Like you're the only one. Yeah. So this is... We got this one for Rob Shaw. Hello, Gemma, which finders. I have a story about the miserable Dave Browse. Around seven or eight years ago, I had the privilege to meet the wonderful Hugo Mayet.

Or as he was known as Trigar from Nightmare. Yeah. And he would see me convention at the Mount Bass and Centre in Portsmouth. It's cool. It was a pattern. There's a horror story. Yeah. And up as a few trussled tables along the Zeobrint Jacqueline Purse. And the sort of Hugo was Dave Browse. Of course. We have been guaranteed to see David these conventions with his star freighter freighter. It's ready to sign for Tenk with a pop. But it was very rare to see Trigar.

And also Dave Rau on the background. Matt artist. Yeah. Yeah. Also Dave Rau on the background. Matt artist. I'm saying that from memory cleaves. Was I read that, see? It was wonderful for me and many other Nightmare fans who were after a brilliant Q&A session, QDOT for a photo of the Saxon Dungeon Master Hero. Oh, thank you. The queue was long with excited nerves that snaked into the neighbouring Dave Prouse space.

I don't know if it was jealousy or the fact that Hugo's few was overshadowing Dave's sightline of the foot traffic for Star Wars fans. As he started shouting loudly in his Swiss country accent for the Nightmare fans to move out of his area. He was also very angry. Swinging his huge spade like hands around as a gesture for the cues to move as seen in tonight's film where he tries to dig up his own core. It was as if he was trying the Darth Vader Force joke on us.

Hugo intervened in cheerfully helped diffuse a situation. He was complete dops at the Dave and one of the most lovely blocs I've ever met. Really a wonderful cast by the way. I feel grateful if you have any amicus stuff. Yes, we have, but Cleaver never ever puts it forward. Have we got any on the list, Cleaver? Yes, okay. But there you go. There we go. Good old Trinkart. Can we discuss what the Green Cross code actually was? It's not because I have no idea. What's that?

But what's that got to do with the Green Cross? Well, when you cross the road, so you are crossing the road is green. It's for safety. So it is safe across the road. I love the way James is now doing his teacher voice and horror things. Make it a thing sound like it's the absolute truth. So there is a code and you have to break a code inherently and that code is stop, look, look and listen. Listen, I would probably say listen, stop, look. I would say listen, stop, look.

Did you miss anything to do with the campaign as well at any point? Flunk click, every trip. That was only that one, wasn't it? And trains. Yes, I remember. Of the train. Sorry. Train train. That's not the train train train. That's not the train train train. That's not the train train train. That's not the train train train. That's not the train train train. That's not the train train train. That's not the train train train. Did Metal Mickey do a stop, look and listen, Advert?

I feel like Metal Mickey and or there was a robot with Dave Prowse. That's the one that you are not allowed to talk. He would often be seeing conventions with the robot. The Greek Roscoe droid. Is it not Metal Mickey? No, it was not. I have to be too rip off, which was so. In my mind, I only see Metal Mickey with a green wig on. Oh, OK. That's weird when they give robots wigs, isn't it? Right. How much more on it twaddle if he done so far? Oh my God, so good. So good.

I've actually done a little bit of research. So do hold on. There is actually maybe a star. By a bit of research I've done for this one today. So that's it. It says that he was a familiar face in the UK. Is the Greek Roscoe man promoting road safety for children. However, in a recurring stuff, he's beautiful West Country accent. The first two avarots in the series had praises, was dubbed by another actor. No way. Langley appeared using his own voice in the third ad for it though.

Was it James L Jones? I got a little bit of a form of it. Stop, look and listen. So, but Rossius Scripps says in 2014 the Greek Roscoe man was revived. Which I had no. When? 2014 apparently. No fucking way. Who was it? Paddy fucking. Paddy fucking McGinnis. Oh, no. We don't have a famous British strong man anymore. No, Jeff Cakes. Is he dead? Is he dead? He's a low self-esteem. Jeff Cakes. I can remember an episode of Sissy Webman.

Jeff Cakes could like teleport himself, but he always had like a budgie with him. Yeah. Well, he did you still look after the budgies? Yeah, I think he bred them. Yeah. Jeff Cakes is 74. Yes, he's still with us. Good, good, good. Right. So, it says. It said that he reprised that apparently Dave Browse reprised his character at the age of A.C. in two adverts produced for road safety week. This new campaign targeted young adults, alerting them to the deck to the dangers.

Accidents caused by distractions like smartphones and headphones while crossing roads. Yeah, good. To be honest, I could smash some people now with big heavy headphones on without a wire. Or stupid in your ear buds in little Tesco's here walking around like fucking zombies backing into you, not saying anything, not looking where they're going. If I was Jeff Cakes, I would fucking close line these bastards, honestly. The other guest stars we that merit a mention are Charles Lloyd Pack.

Yes. Yes. The father of TV's Roger Lloyd Pack, alias. Lumic. The boom. Not the boom, the broom. What's his name? Trigger's broom. Trigger. And also in this, which neither of you have mentioned so far, which I'm surprised by, TV and films Bernadilly. M from the M from Chase Bondfield. Who's literally in one scene and then has his hands cut off. What? Big, big drinking Bernadilly, who's last Bond film was Moonraker.

And that scene always makes me cry when they're in Venice and off he goes into the sunset. But an amazing film career, but bizarrely just pops up in this film for no reason. And then has his hands cut off? Well, maybe just have those beautiful hands. Yeah, but it's just why Bernadilly? He must have been, but Bernadilly must have been on a nice little earner in around this time. He just done diamonds or forever. He would be about to do live and let die.

And it's like hammers on the phone like, oh, can you do one scene where you're a madman and then you get your hands cut off? And we see you in a coffin. Yeah. Dave, what's that? It's work, isn't it? Yeah. Dave won the British Heavyweight Weightlifting Championship for three consecutive years, 1962 to 1964. Good luck. Leading him to compete for England in the 1962 Commonwealth Games. During his bodybuilding training era, he befriended future action stars Arnold Schwarzenegger and the upper-ingo.

No. He used to come and train at his gym. No. He had a chain of gyms in London at the time. As I said, his role as the man servant, as I mentioned last episode, in Stanley Kubrick's 1971 as Clockwork Orange, bought the eye of young bearded nerd, George Lucas, which led him to the if he's defining role of Darth Vader. Is this true? Yes. Well, when I'm sure that you're up to the top of Orange, I'm sure. Oh, George, no neck, Lucas. That's what I'm doing. He's no neck right now.

That's it. The Lucas Goiter, we call it. The, yes. Or his idea pouch. Yeah. That's what he keeps on the side. It is. Right. The NEMT. He's now. Yeah. Whoa. I don't know. All right. Oh, come on. Maybe. I could go on for this for hours, but we got a crack on this. Yeah. So throughout his film and TV career, Prouse was often tight casted to these parts, such as the circus strongman in vampire circus, a minor tour in Doctor Who Clash. Doctor Who. The time monster. Time monster.

And an Android named Coppin in the tomorrow people. He supposedly came close to some iconic roles, claiming to him. Now, by the way, listen, dear listener, this is him claiming this. This evidence is not be verified by other other other parties. He nearly landed the part of jaws in James Bond. I can see that. I can see that. And him apparently being considered for code of the barbarian before those parts were to other. Also Lawrence of Arabia.

Um, toot C. Yep. Well, and this is this is out of that. Yes. And then we are told that Prouse lobbied for the role of Superman, of course. And as I mentioned last time, this is in the amazing. I don't know if you can still get it, but my version of Superman they did on Blu-ray had. You flip the disc over and there was a just an amazing documentary about making a Superman with so much good stuff on it. No way. Yeah. Awesome. Really incredible incredible anecdotes.

Again, I don't want to bore people now. Is this the one they did back to back with Superman 2? Yes. And it was all insane. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'll go see that. Next time I'll bring it to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's incredible. Right. Ross cut this bit out, but there's an amazing bit when Richard Donner is virtually exhausted from making the film. And then they go and see John Williams do the music for the first time. And he ran out and picked up John Williams and lifted him into the air.

Just went, my straw. He said, I knew it was going to be a hit. The music was so good. I thought we're going to go nuts for this. I love that bit. They've been getting worse. We're like, and we've got the little girl's voice. Yes. It took about the 1930s. Oh, it's so good. Anyway, spin off podcast for another time. It's a good rate. How much I love that film. Right. Okay. So, yes. Did it. Right. You've got me. Ross got you. So it's so forth. Right.

So apparently he went to see or he said some Richard Donner. Oh, here you are doing Superman Richards. And apparently he recounted his response to being told, we found our Superman with a simple. Thank you very much. And he said, I went away and I thought I'm going to be Superman. And then the next thing I know, they said, can you come to London and ever meet in with Richard Donner. And I said, amazing. And when I got there, they said, Dave, can you train up Christopher Reeves?

And then he thought he was really crestfallen to find out that that's all they wanted him for. I know. I know. I know. I know. And they say, yes. So, Prao's his career wasn't without controversy. In July 2010, he was banned by George Lucas from attending official Star Wars fan conventions. Star Wars celebration. No way. Due to, yes, due to a reported dispute with Lucas film. Oh. Lucas offered no specific reason, simply stating that Prao is proud. But too many bridges between them.

And his rospension before one of the things he did was he very, very stupidly spoke to the tabloid press and great Britain when. Oh, I tell you what, in the end of return at the Jedi, Luke kills. Luke kills Darth Vader. And he has to fight it. No way. Yeah. And he leaked that he was off. He was Luke's father as well. Oh, no. That's what they say. That's the, yeah, but it turned out it was a technician or something. Wasn't it? Yes, that's right.

Because the whole point was they knew that Dave Prao's basically had loose lips. And so when they filmed the shot, he said Dave Prao's actually said the line, Obi-Wan can Obi is your father. Oh. There you go. Some Star Wars facts there for you, everyone. I'm sure that one. So yeah, so he didn't have a very good track record with them. And I think when it came back into public. That real leader. Would you accept it Captain. I want that ship. I'm very good.

Right. So yeah, I think he sort of shot from the, the, the hip a few too many times as regards Star Wars. And yeah, so I think that did it for George. That's bad. That's, that's, that's heartbreaking, isn't it? Yeah. Well, yeah. But he both dead now or are in none of them dead. Dave Prao's dead. Dave Prao. You see Dave has gone. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm George Lucas is still alive. Still alive. James L Jones, yes. But he's been retired from Darth Vader now, isn't he? They he brilliantly went in.

And you know, a bit like when you record a sat nav, he just did a whole day of reading things. No way. So we, you can, like Lucasfilm can have Darth Vader and things forever now. And they could probably do it with AI in about five minutes time. Yeah, that's right. But he just said, oh, yeah, you know, I think they gave him a very nice size. Tom Baker did that as well. Didn't he? That's right. I want to go to Turner level.

I can't remember what there was a thing you could ring up and then they eat Tom Baker. Yeah, yeah. I remember that speaking clock. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What? Tom Baker was the speaking clock. Yeah, for a short period of time, I remember ringing it up. Ah, the tie. Oh, no, that's terrible impression. The time is the worst talk, bacon, fresh, and I've ever. And if it wasn't bad enough following on from Jonathan, Jonathan, Jonathan, Jonathan, Jonathan, last, last time out.

I'm going to go again outside of acting. Prouse publicly declared his support the United Kingdom. Ah, fuck God's sake. I've looked right and left and right again. You bet right again. And the only party I can safely vote for is you keep peace. Emma might read. Finally, it's worth noting that Dave Prouse made his second appearance as Frankenstein's laboratory creation in this film. Yes. First being the horror of Frankenstein. Apparently an unpretative cameo in 1967, casino royale aside.

He holds the only distinction of being the only actor to play at Hammer Frankenstein monster more than once. Twice. Oh, well, horror at horror Frankenstein was an attempt to reboot, which doesn't feature in the official kind of Hammer Cannon or Frankenstein films. Oh, oh, okay. Yeah, because they try what they try to do with scars of Dracula.

I think and horror of Dracula was doing much more like Gialo Italian style horror, which was more boobs and gore and a bit more comedic and they fell very flat. So then they went back to the established continuity of AD 1972, which brought back Peter Cushing and they basically bought back Peter Cushing. Yeah. But it's interesting that they decided to sort of re-launch Dracula by bringing it into the modern day. They didn't do that the same for Frankenstein.

Yes. That would have been interesting to do like a modern 1970 preversion of a Frankenstein movie. Well, I think in some ways before we start this story, I think they do try and modernize it because they bring in this new character which is the Shane Bryant character and Shane Bryant was very much tempted as this new Hammer star. And I think in this is very good. It's very charismatic. He's a good actor.

Do you think he was at the Yiler booth of, like they were bringing him into the take on the mantle as with the Crystal Skull, but as with Crystal Skull, it went a bit shit. But then haven't they murdered him off in the last Indiana Jones films? Yes. He died in the Indiana. Oh, excellent. And broke up in these marriage. All the great, I know. They're exciting, fun things. So I think what they try and, I mean, what, and we'll get into this is what they try and do in this.

And I think quite successfully they try and bring in a new character to revive the franchise, which is a word you wouldn't use obviously at that point in time, but you use it now. But with cushing, all it does really is make cushing look absolutely ancient. Yeah. With these bionic curls, the big stove pipe hat, he looks like he's from a totally different era to he that looks like he's never, because of his cheekbones, I've never seen anyone. Another human being, it looks like.

No, it's he looks incredible. He looks awful. Yeah. But for the film, I think this is one of his best performances. Because it's just like, wow, he looks like a cadava. Yeah. So should we start? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's it. So it starts off with the classic hammer opening, really moody. Yes. It's vocative. It really, it's really. It's not the big of what's done. It was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's what, yeah, yeah, yeah, very, very similar to the opening to the Nigel Neils, the dummy that we saw. So 43 or something, was it? 83 B4 or something? A. And 44. So there's grave robbing going on. And then we get the also classic font as well. Oh, yeah, yeah. The fontage. Yeah. So there's some good fontage. And I've got, whoa, it's the dog, sir. Yeah. And there he is. But is it the doctor?

Does this fit into the canon of the second doctor taking time out from whatever he's up to to be a grave digger in or grave robber other? Yes. When this film started, either of you think that this was in England to start off? Yes. Yes. It's one of my notes. It's my, as we've loads of hammer films, what the trees are thinned? Because you've got some addresses of British, a bit towing part of it. Yeah, like a healer. I would call him the British legal system.

Yeah. But people are still calling each other hair. What's it? It's just like, isn't hammer land, isn't it? Yes. Like made up. That's a very good, that's a good way of looking on it, actually. Yes. Yeah, it's in hammer land. I mean, for me, it starts with familiar hammer strains. And that's not the noise I make when I'm on the toilet. Ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha. I think the start is very low key. And it could be 1958 or 1957. I'm at the start of it.

All you've got is the red title comes up. There's no title sequence or anything. And then you've basically got Peter Patrick Trouton. Patrick Trouton. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. A granville. Yeah. Digging up a dead body and legging it. And then he's followed by a peeler who... He's got some... He's got some booze hidden in the graveyard. Was it booze? He had... Yeah, he was a pipe. It was pipe. And the pipe, yes. And then we... Peter Patrick Trouton's got his clove wig on.

It's just a lot of familiar faces, isn't it, to start off with. And then we have... I don't like how Patrick Trouton was going to be in this. I was quite surprised. No idea. No idea. And then basically the body is delivered to Shane Bryant in... What it looks like where Francis Bacon's studio was in Kensington's... In the funny stream scene where it suddenly goes really soft... Like Star Trek. Very soft. Very soft. Very soft. And there's some very German neo-expressionist lighting when the...

One of the characters goes down the stairs and there's a big shadow behind him. And I thought at that point, no, we're going to have some more kind of stylistic stuff with this... Which then doesn't transfire for the rest of the film, really. At this point, I started feeling that this feels like a modern film stock. It didn't... Yes. It's like it said at the beginning, it looks like an old hammer film. But the colors and the way it's lit felt at the 70s.

And there was a kind of like weird kind of... There is a shift where they've potentially gone from something like Panavision, which they were using for the 60s films to whatever the British standard would be. Eastman was on it. Eastman is American because that's Kodak Eastman color. So I don't know what... I mean, it was probably still on Kodak film. But I do agree that it now suddenly looks more like the railway children. Or something of that... Rather than, you know, a hammer film.

Even though it looks exactly like a hammer film. It's quite weird, isn't it? There's a lot of very detailed close-ups of people's faces which look different to hammer films. And I think it's quite beautifully shot. I didn't recognize the DOP's name at all. So it's not someone that's known for hammer. It wasn't Dick Bush, no. But obviously it's still Terence Fisher. And then... When we started this podcast, I would learn the name Dick Bush. And it would be...

So then Shane Bryant has taken delivery of this dead body. Patrick Trouten does the thing of the dropping into the plot that you're going to get found out and blah, blah, blah. And obviously he gets found out within five minutes by the peeler. And then he goes to court. And so really, this is like a pre-title sequence after the titles, isn't it? And after that is when the story gets going that we then go to Shane Bryant. What? Being sentenced to a mental asylum.

Yeah. Or a model of a mental asylum. Oh, yeah. Well, it's like a model of a mental asylum in front of a match shot of some mountains. Which I think the shot is a taktown, yeah. But it's classic hammer again. And it's just like... Well, it's a weird and melancholic start to a film which seems to be very consciously calling back to the early days of hammer, which at this point were like 15 years before this. Yeah. Really? Oh. Yeah, I know. It's mad, isn't it?

Because the difference between this and Curse of Frankenstein feels like about 30 years. But it's actually like... It was actually exactly 15 years, yeah. Because one is 57 and this was shot in 52. So 72. Okay. So before we get back to the asylum, there's just a couple of quick sides. And what I wanted to point out is that number one, when the policeman turns up the flat, there's a world-class hide-and-seek action that goes on. He literally stands behind the curtain.

Well, the use of plot comes in and goes, is there anybody in here? I don't know. I don't know. And he can't find him at all. And he's only kind of... He's called out of hiding because the copper starts playing around with his selection of eyeballs. Yeah. And then... I was watching some of my kids and they were so gross. And I was freaking horror when I was a kid, was basically jars of eyeballs. Yeah. We didn't have any of the kind of psychological stuff or... No. It was just gross out.

It was just gross out. It's like... I think there are psychological aspects to that film later on, to this film later on. But I think it's very dark. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you... Yeah, really dark. But if you... And if you read anything online about this film, if you compare this to the stuff that was coming out at the same time, or even earlier, Rosemary's Baby, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, it looks so out of... Yes. Just... It looks out of sorts with everything, doesn't it?

I think it's almost like a fairy tale kind of feel to it, which is so weird. I feel it. This kind of cozy kind of family using the same people all the time, way of making films. I think it's stopped them from... Developing. Innovating. And they kept doing the same thing over and over, and they couldn't do that. Well, they did... I mean, they were massively innovative at the start, but then by 15 years later, they were just treading water. But that's one of... And it was so good for the... The...

The tractor, the franchise, when they kicked it up into the modern day. It just... Yeah, it just gave it... And that gave it another lease of life, didn't it? Yeah, I wish they'd continued with those, but obviously, Christopher Lee was too snooty-ordening. But it's got a stupid title, and I... I'll still take the money, but I'm not doing any more. I must say... I've only done... I've only done nine. I'm up to be a scaremanger, and we're calling it an ending account.

And I've got my own production company now, which is called Charlemagne Production. And I did you know I'm... I'm related to him. Abraham Lincoln, Adolf Hitler, Jesus. I'm the inspiration for James Bond. I reckon he then went on... Well, like we said, he was the same person, just kept reinventing himself. I had a shave and became Canary's at one point, and now... Right, Christopher Lee. I do think he was... He should have just not been...

He hated it, and he shouldn't have bitten constantly the hand that fed him an awful lot, really. It was hard when you're tracking it though, isn't it? Very good, please. We also have the wonderful thing where... So very, very in mind that Patrick Troutan has the grave robber. He gives him up. Patrick Troutan has turned super grass immediately. And it's... He got caught by the first. Yeah, and it's clearly said... Two quick ones.

So, yeah, so surely Patrick Troutan has said to the copper, I mean, it's grave robbing for this man. Yes. And that's a crime in and of itself. And then when he turns up, he's just so... I don't know if it's because he's a tough and just a posh... What? Yes. A copper is to start off with, he's so laid back about the fact that he's going to arrest him. And he's like, I'm going to arrest you for sorcery! Surely grave robbing. Yes. grave robbing is the crime here, officer.

Yes. Once again, no, but that was cool. Him saying, I'm going to arrest you for sorcery. And then my final note on this, just when we get right into the meat of it all is, this is the best example I've ever seen of a posh-ho falling up. Let me show... Let's face it, he has been punished for his crimes. By a judge who says, I'm going to give you the most lenient thing I could possibly give you. Yes. Five years in a mental asylum. And oh, he says, and what is he end up doing?

Oh, he says he's to do the exact job that he wants. With one of his idols. Yes. Well, that's what's... That's the plastic of Tory Britain. This. Jobs for the boys, isn't it? It's kind of... At least it's like that. That's council metrics. This film does have a very, very... Very story, kind of... Magical realism feel. Much more so than the other hammer-franconed signs. Basically, Frankenstein must be destroyed, which is the previous official one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he's in a burning house at the end. And that's why he's got the gloves on in this with his burnt hands. That's perhaps... Yeah, but I think there's another one where he's got burnt hands. Maybe evil of Frankenstein. But... That's why he wears his smoking gloves. Yes. So he turns... So basically, he ends up in clink. And when he turns up to the mental hospital. Two men come out and say, what is it? Which I thought was quite a funny line.

And then he's taken in by a man with a very familiar face to me, who is in lots of other genre stuff. But I can't remember his name. And then we're introduced to the director of the asylum, who is a very, very good character. It's fantastic. He was really good. Couldn't place him, looked at his IMDB, and found out that it's Shokai from the two doctors with Patrick Trouton. In Bob Bay? Somewhere in Spain, civill maybe. I don't know if they probably didn't even meet each other on this set.

But then only 12 years later, they would have been filming the two doctors in civill with Nicola Bryant in a bikini and Colin Baker in his shorts. If anyone wants to Google it, there's lots of nice photos of them all, and cavorting behind the scenes film in the two doctors, which is great. But he's very, very good in the two doctors as well, with big stuck-on eyebrows. Eyebrows. And with Jacqueline Pierce, who's also in a few hammer films. As well. Is there an reptile actually?

She's in the reptile. She's in... Play with the zombies. She's a serval-earned in Blake Seven. She's Chesaini in two doctors, lots of genres stuff. She's in Rousseau T. Davis's Dark Season. Oh! So yeah, so it's the start of it then. So once we've met the director, we realised that Shane Bryant is going to kind... He's going to try and charm his way through this, isn't he? Because he's a man of bearing and breeding. And he's in handcuffs at this point, James. Yes, but he keeps behind his back.

And when he walks in, the director does not look up. And he thinks he's somebody else to start off with. And I've written down, oh, I was just enjoying some pages from Reader's Frowleines. And some saucy woodcutts. Is what I've put here. He's holding a little bit of what looks like a big, anti-buck of porn. And getting very excited about it. And then, as John says, he realises that Simon played by the actor, Shane Bryant, isn't the person that he was expecting to see.

It's not off with because he is a doctor. Doctor, right? Yeah, yeah. He sees there in a professional capacity. He's gone for a couple of moments. He then sees his handcuffs hands and realises that, you know, he's a new one. He's a new one. So this is one of our new, you know, one of our new patients. And he's so cross-at him, he says to the orderlies who are very, very thuggish. Yes. Right. God basically sought him out. And we then get this really odd, odd sequence.

And I just put, because the insane love of power host. Yeah. The orderlies go, come here, everyone. Come here. And we're introduced to the residents of the asylum. And then they basically give him a bath by just passing him with a power hose. Yes. So powerful, it cuts his skin open. It draws blood. Which is like a cliché of all prison films, isn't it? You're always going to see Simon being hoosed down. Yes. And this, as predicted, the residents of the insane asylum just love this.

Yes. It drives him forward until hair bar and comes out. I was about to say until ends of Peter Cushing, boom. And we learn that, yes, a Baron of Frankenstein is not dead. He's kind of, yeah. They've been talking about the Baron had been there, but he has died. Yes. But now this is at least taking the amazing Obi-Wan Esk pseudonym of what's he called? Dr Victor. Dr Carl Victor. Yeah. No one had ever to suspect.

Up to now, this preamble is very similar to a also excellent Frankenstein armor, which is the Revenge of Frankenstein, which is the second one, which is also set in a asylum. This one deviates quite quickly from that then, but it's, I think, I think it's a very neat idea to place him. Someone who is fundamentally insane and doesn't acknowledge his own insanity. I think it's a great idea to put him in a place like this. Yes. And then he's basically picking off.

Are you know he's going to pick off people one by one to kind of feed into his creation? Because you know that's coming. He's not turned into a philanthropist, does he? No. Essentially he says to the new guy, Simon, so you can be my assistant and help me with the people in the asylum. Yes. But he also talks about his own secret special project as well. Yes. They interest me.

Yeah, but as with the other Frankenstein from we saw, he still hasn't got over the idea that if someone is good with their hands, that the innate ability is in the hands, not in the mind of the person. Yes. And also before we get up to that bit, Frankenstein decides to figure out if Simon Helder can be his assistant. And then it's amazing. He just goes and find you know. And he goes, I'll be the judge of that. And I put down classic sanity test here. He makes close one eye and follow his finger.

It goes, yes, that's what you're fine. Totally sane. But I mean, is this a test of a man who was actually insane in the first place? Yes. Yes. I think there's a lot of subtext with this film. It's a lot more adult and nuanced than I was expecting really. One bit we haven't mentioned and I think it's quite interesting is at the start where you see, you see Shane Bryant in Francis Bacon's flat. He's reading the works of Frankenstein in a very old looking book with a drawing of Peter Cushing.

And I think that's it. Again, is an interesting way of, if this film came out now and this was a genre film, he's talking back to something say 30 years ago, people would lose their shit about all the least of eggs and things in this film now. But because it was made in 1972 and it's really just a kind of rushed kind of quote-to-quickie kind of film. It's not really seen as being high up, but there's quite a lot of thought gone into this one, which surprised me.

That's quite interesting that the guy who's running this film is actually a sixth creator, like Lunar City, as well as Lunar City. There's no, even the people in charge aren't saying it. And like he said, the most sane person in there is Simon who's just gone in. But even him has got these kind of obsession that Frankenstein's got as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the dead.

Yeah, the madman running the asylum is a very good kind of gothic trope, which is always a kind of favorite of mine where it would be. The reveal is that the person behind it all is more nuts than anyone else. And then you're saying that that leads beautifully into my bit of homework that I did while we were watching. Oh, yes, because I noticed as we were watching this, when we go into Frankenstein's corsets, we always look at things like the art and the things that they put up.

Like classic pages from anatomy textbooks and things like that. But some of them were kind of like a kind of prints and things like that. And I thought, what is that? And to start off with, I thought one of them was Ho-Hogarts for stages of cruelty. Oh, no way! Which is, well, that's what I thought was going to start off with. And I looked at it and I thought, was that what it is? And I thought, no, no, no, it's not. And I managed to pause it and look at it. And in fact, what it is is...

Go back to this, right? It is a picture from the cover of Andreas Vesalius, the Humanist Corpus Fabrica. And then I said, oh, okay, that's interesting. And then I'll send you guys the link. But dear listener, if you put in welcome trust, medical theatre into Google. And to Google, you will find that there's this amazing thing that welcome trust in London. If you're ever in London, go and see the welcome trust. It's amazing. It's really, really good.

And they put this thing online saying, why is it called a medical theatre? And they said, because in the early stages of operating, you could pay and go and watch. No way! Yes! Right. And one of the people that was the absolute kind of... The forefront of this was this guy, Vesalius. And what it said, I'll go to read to you now for this. It said Vesalius argued that anatomy should not be confined to medics, but should be studied by all educated Christian men.

His influence spread and dissections using the bodies of executed criminals began to be held in public. Taking a whole list could watch doctors performing autopsies by candlelight and often with accompanying live music. Wow! It then says, one example of a medical theatre that left a lasting impression was that an attempt in 1803 by Giovanni Oldini to bring back to life the body of a convicted murder by charging him in electricity.

A astounded onlookers reported that the corpse's eyes opened, his hand raised and fist clenched and his legs moved. And then you got it in one! One that that was one of the things that inspired Mary Shelley. No way! No way! So that print in Frankenstein's quarters is a nod to the history and the inspiration behind Frankenstein. So someone knew what they would up to really in the production design?

Because that's like in Curse of Frankenstein, the painting on the wall that they're looking at as Victor pushes the old man off the stairs. That is a Rembrandt painting of an operation which you can't remember the name of. So they were consistent with... Yes. You know, that's the thing with Hammer. Everyone thinks they're very kind of schlocky-be movies. But I think a lot of care went into them, which kind of separates them from the other the amicuses and the tygon pictures. Not tygon pictures.

And I think that they focus a lot more on the actual character of Frankenstein rather than the monster, which the monster became the main attraction in the universe. Yes. So I think that's what Hammer got right with these. Anyway, I've sent you that link from the Welcome Trust. That's amazing. And once again, do you listen to that? If you want to read about this, no, it's not like a pop-up ad ridden site or anything such as that. It's really really good.

The website, the web page title is the original drama of operating things. No way. So put Welcome Collection operating theaters. Wow, that's mad, isn't it? That's mad, isn't it? I found in the stream and I don't know if it's just because of the running time. Yeah. It felt like they kept like setting up mysteries, then revealing the answer straight away.

So I thought that they were going to make it out like he was going to, that they would have to sort of try and work out what Frankenstein was doing behind the scenes. Yes. Straight away. As soon as they set up, he's doing so in secret, straight away, he found out what it was. Well, they sort of set up, oh, is he going to catch on that? Victor is killing people to take their body parts, but then they, he works out straight away.

Yeah. I think the only mystery which they kept right to the end was the, why is the, the character we haven't mentioned, Angel, which is like the beautiful mute girl. Yeah. Why is she in my car? She speak. Yeah, they kept that quite, quite late in the film. Yes. I think it was like mystery reveal, mystery reveal. Yes. I think, yeah, I think it's because you're looking at a film that's under an hour and a half, always with Amorant.

Yeah. I mean, this one actually for once gets quite a decent coder at the end rather than just the end coming up. Yes. I made a note of this. So, where are we? So what's happened is Simon Helder has now been appointed as Frankenstein's assistant, which is exactly what he wanted. Yes. And we see, we then get like a doing the rounds montage. Yes. So we get around the different patients of the asylum and we find out what's wrong with them, what the deal is, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

And then we then meet the guy who is, and you could tell he's a mass genius because he's just done some equations. All of them. Yeah. On the whole of the same pool of mass equations. And then we also find out that he can play the violin. Yeah. And the best bit is is I've put down that is the worst music kind of mime-ing sinking I've seen. Yes. It's that time, John, that Oasis were on top of the pop to enroll with it and Nolan Liam swat. And Liam presented a V-Dole.

It's that level of mass mime-ing. Yes. It is very bad. He barely moves the hand on what is for the bow. Yeah. But yes. The hair doctor takes him into one of the cells where they said there was someone in there who was like this. With dangerous. The end of the whole throwback person who ripped the bar out of the wall and flung himself to his. He's tall. He's very hairy. He's always hungry. Yeah. I can afford money from anyone. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was like the creature to me. I was like that.

Yeah. Hungry. Oh, delicious. All he needed to do was turn to the camera while he's eating something up. He's eating something up. He reminded me more of my old boss Dave Lee actually. Who we used to call silver back and not to his face. We've missed a part where he's talking to the director. He took a shin and the director says to him, you really are looking very tired. And I think that's a really interesting line to put into something that they probably knew was going to be the last film.

There's a lot of lines in this, a later on as well that I've made notes of a few where it's really, it's made really obvious that unless they were trying to because we'll come to the end in a bit. I felt like they were kind of setting it up for something else. And maybe they were. Yeah. This is the last Peter cushion one. Yeah. We are now going to move it forwards with Shane Bryant. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought that was really interesting.

What I've written here is that there's intense suffering in cussion's face. And that's all you can, that's the only way for but it isn't. I think he brings an awful lot to this role that he didn't, he couldn't necessarily bring to Fann Helsing in Dracula, 80, 1972, which is obviously the same year. It's why Pellan had just died and we've covered that many times on this podcast. But I think this is the performance where you see a lot of that pain on his face. It's quite hard to watch.

But there's also you see him laughing and getting confused. Which is literally yeah, which is really interesting that there's humor in a hammer film. There's never humor in a hammer film. And there's warmth between him and Shane Bryant, which you never see in any other film. Yeah. Which doesn't Shane Bryant make some kind of like pun about it's a pun. Yeah, about him seeing us or something. Yeah. I said these parts where these two are just talking and stuff.

They're really unflashy and kind of precise scenes. And they really well choreographed and put together and you can tell that both men can act. And they both really know what they're doing. And it's quite a pleasure to watch that part. If any, Shane Bryant was a less insane bushy. Yeah, take it a lot more seriously. Dennis Ely. Yeah. And then you've got, so one of the, one of the other inmates is a guy that thinks he's God.

Yeah. And he says something about, you know, so many insane people think they God. And obviously that's an ironic line to drop in, isn't it? And then I've written 30 minutes in and still no monster, which I thought was quite interesting. Yeah. If a film school Frankenstein and the monster from hell and you've still not seen the monster, I thought that was quite interesting. And just weird. And then so at this is where the story kind of comes to life now, isn't it?

So we've built the, we've built the foundation. Yeah, yeah, we've built the cast of characters. And then you've foundation to the story. Then you've just begin a scene with a sound of. Oh, bows, yeah, which is the classic sound. Obviously that the soundtrack of this one was done by James Bernard Bernard. Who is the classic hammer composer? So the, I mean, this is a swan song for lots of people really. And that's great to have the Obo because that is the classic sound of hammer.

And that is the kind of interpretation where someone is creeping out in the castle or they're going. They're looking through railings in a graveyard or something. And then we, so then I've written, oh, yeah. And then we've got the scene with the funeral possession where Shane Bryant is looking at the window, sees all the crosses. He's looking down. So it's kind of birds eye view, isn't it? Yeah. And then they drop the coffin with Bernard Lee in. Bernard Lee topples out with his hands cut off.

And then it's very quickly hidden by hair barren. Doctor, Doctor, whatever he's called. Yeah, so these are the crosses which are completely out of scale when you see the. Yeah, dreadful model. Yeah, the crosses are huge. A ginormous, yes. Yes. And I was like, what else should I speak in? Oh, you know, this is like banging your over the head with this. Yeah. And then why is his hand chopped off? Why has he got their hands? I don't know.

I was astonished to see that this film is only a 15, which is pretty mad, isn't it? When later on we see quite a lot of gore. We hear some stuff about incest. Yeah, I think that's probably the bit that knocked it up to a 15. Well, yeah, but what do you mean knocked it up to a 15? It should be an 18. Well, they're sort of stuff. So he's tenders and stuff. Yeah. What you see someone's the top of someone's head being cut off in East Ender. Yeah. What's he figured? This around.

So then we have Shane Bryant tip to in round. Trying to work out. Yeah, and as soon as I sit in a prison, see you know, it's going to be hidden behind the posters and it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, sure. Shank Redemption style. Yes. Yeah, twice in this film, people find something by following drips of slop on the floor. Yeah. I thought at first it was spew. Yeah, I thought. And I was like, why is there spew on the floor? And then I realised, oh, it's like. This is slop for the creature.

Yeah, it's very badly carried suit. And then. So what you find out is that basically now this is when it quits into being a Frankenstein film, isn't it, where there is a monster? He finds the laboratory, which isn't much of a laboratory in this film. The car battery is on a table. Yeah. So we've got. And I thought quite a, they missed opportunity for the reveal of Dave Prowse, crowdwashing in the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was too bright an elite. Yeah. You saw it all way too much to do soon.

I think the issue with this film is I think of the setup of this whole thing. It's really well crafted. It's really well shot. The production is production design is great. You get to the monster from hell and you're just like, this monster is really shit. Yeah. So basically it's Dave Prowse in like. Yeah. A gorilla suit, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Why is there no eyes at this point? A massive lips. Yeah. Yeah. Massive lips. And then like, it just looks like a mask.

I once paid a boy in school, a pound from mask that looked better than this. There was like an old man mask in 1991 or something with fake hair and it was a full head mask. And it was a better mask. I told you to read about my dad in the old man mask every night. Yes. Yes. Terrifying your mum. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you know, the previous episode yourself, you listen to someone, I want someone to set up a wiki for our podcast. I can look up.

I think the things are which episodes we mentioned how spearhead from space and. Which is the one where you couldn't stop laughing, Cleves? Possessor. Possessor. I drank tea bottles of wine on that one. John took me to one side and they never drink that much. It was you were in your income here for like two hours. I'm crying. Talk about worse with damage, I think. Don't we all know that was locked down. That was in the.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so at this point, yeah, the creatures revealed. Um, why? Yeah. So is he meant to be some of the underfall throwback? Yes. So hairy. So it's not that many, I don't know. I've seen a year again. No, I'm not. Yeah. I don't know. I do know someone. My friend Dan Porter's that hairy. He's got a hairy back like that. But, and I think Dave probably had a head because Dave, my old boss who's dead now, hair used to show out the back of his t-shirt.

Oh. Um, where is, you know, where the neck was. It's disgusting. Um, but, um, Is any of his suit listeners? Yeah. Yeah. We don't find you disgusting. Just a previous dead psychopathic bosses. If Dave prouces or so musely, why isn't it just Dave prouces muscles with, um, hair on rubber suit? Well, yeah, it's just obviously it's not skinny. And it doesn't look like realist. It's like skinny. I think like it's an interesting take on, on, on, on the monster, isn't it?

And that's, that's the best way you can describe it, I think. Yeah. I think it looks shambolic to be bad. Did you do it back to your own drawer?

And it kind of spoils the film, I think, from here on in because I think the ideas of, um, the ideas are, are, are very obvious retreads of the previous hammer films where, so what happens is that basically, um, we visited, um, Charles Lloyd pack and it becomes kind of intimated that, um, what Peter Cushing wants to do is stick a brain in this kind of, um, near and the full body. Um, shame Bryant is like, yeah, but you wouldn't kill him.

What do you, and Peter Cushing is like, no, of course I wouldn't. But what he does is leave some notes lying around, which lead to, um, Charles Lloyd pack hanging himself with his, um, violin strings. Violin strings. And seeing quite nicely garotted hanging in his, um, how he managed to reach to get it. Yeah. But also one of the weird orderlies has one of the strangest lines of the movie at this point, um, finds him he comes into it. Yeah, we don't see him. And he just goes, you can't.

Yeah. You have. Yeah. Yeah. Like literally like that. It's very, it's very strange. There's a lot of disturbing stuff in this film, which you're like, I don't know why I'm finding this disturbing, but it's just quite, quite, quite in the weird and creepy. Um, so then obviously basically what happens is that the brain is taken out of a rubber cast of Charles Lloyd pack, um, that has its head cut off. Then the brain is put into the monster, the creature.

And this is the famous part where, um, because it's revealed that, um, the Frankenstein can't do the operations as well. Yes. And that's why, um, Dave Pratt looks like it because his hands are burnt. Um, and there's a point when they're trying to do the operation that they need another pair of hands. And it's because the doctor can't use his hands. He uses his mouth and holds. Yeah. Uh, some kind of like bits of body part in his mouth. So he's a doctor can, uh, so up. So yeah.

And supposedly they use real blood in that part. That's one of the notes on it on. Oh my god. Yeah. Um, Madeline Smith was meant to have done the surgery for, uh, Peter Cushing because she is, as we find out later, she is mentally sound in mind and body. She just can't speak. Yeah. Well, choose is not to choose. It's not to yes. Yeah. And also I just put down during this part, I've got to say that the science here is how should we say a tadding consistent? Right.

So it's just a matter of just to take the brain out and they're like really, really careful about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then a bit later on, he's taken out of some water and he's just got it in a tray. Yeah. And he's just like, oh, there you go. He wants to get in. He puts it back in water again. Yeah. It wasn't meant to be funny when they got the other brain out and dropped it on the floor. So they're not over there. They're like stamping all over. And so it was meant to be funny.

That I, yes, I think that was a, a, a triate. Um, Galos humor. Yeah. I mean, it's a bit like parts of, um, um, Texas chain to massacre where you all most laugh because it's so ludicrous. Yeah. Um, and it's very dark humor, isn't it? So then basically, he's, he's shoved Charles Lloyd Pax brain in the monster. And then the monster wakes up and is not very happy. We're, uh, I'll have Christopher Lee and basically every other monster ever really. And why he hasn't learned by this point now.

For people, you know, people don't like having their brain swapped around. No. And we've got in the home body of David. Yeah. Oh, yeah. At one point, Galos getting anyway. Why? Why? And it just lies down. And I've just put down, I often do that too. Yeah. Yeah. Why, why it exists? I've been here when I've done your rubber face over your nose. Correct. Um, my notes have gone a bit, um, sketchy at this point.

Um, there is, they're in a bit where, um, do they try and get, they have to gas the monster at one point. They don't know to send them to sleep. Yeah, but he's freak satos, what's rampaging around. Yes. And then you can see that he's slightly mentally imbalanced. Then you should jump on his back with the, uh, no, I think that's later on. Please. There's two times where they have to get a subduing.

Yeah. So then, um, there's sequence where, um, they're asking who their names are and he manages to name them. Then they ask him his name and he says blah, blah, blah. Oh, yeah. That's all very good. And then there's a bit where he sees his violin again, but he just smashes his violin. Yeah. Restrung violin, which is what I print. It was managed to reach in a mental asylum who has managed to restring the violin.

Yeah. Um, I'm tagling from the neck of the, uh, the dead man, white them off and put them back together again and then we smashed up. So then, so there's my pit, Christian decides, well, obviously this is all gone wrong, but the next thing I need him to do is mate with, with, yes. Yeah. Yes. So this is where it really, it goes very dark and you're just like, what? What? And it's quite an interesting, this has never been suggested in any of the other films.

And I think that's, it's quite an interesting way to take it. I think Shane Bryant's character should react with more horror and say, you're, you're fucking mental. Yeah. Um, and then it, I mean, I can't really remember in what? Order it happened. I mean, there's a bit where he says, um, I'm related, Peter Cushion says I'm related. Not since I first dot, dot, dot. And that, I think that's quite a nice touch because that's obviously, you know, remarking about the, really, yeah.

Yeah. Um, so there's loads of nice touches in these bits, but then we find out really that, um, the, uh, Madeline Smith's character doesn't talk because she was attempted rape by her father and the reveal is that her father is the director of the mental asylum. Yes. At this point, I'm glad my kids to stop watching the video. Yeah. And again, I'm like, this is a 15 one. The fuck?

So it's like, uh, this is a really dark reveal in a film which at this point has been quite fairytale and quite suddenly goes very nihilistic and quite kind of, yeah, mean, mean, spirited. Um, and then it just goes in insanely mean, spirited at the end. Where the monster escapes, um, he's kind of, um, uh, he attacks Peter Cushion, but you don't see what happens. Like then he kind of goes into the cellar where all the, uh, loonies are in the nut hatch.

And, um, well, the ending is him being torn to pieces and kind of he kills. Oh, yes, he kills the director. He kills the director. Yeah. There's an amazing scene where you've seen digging up him digging up his old body. Yeah. Yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes. And the director has brought like some sex worker, cheek back to see the loonies in the loony bin and the sex worker. Women are prostitute. All women love seeing the insane. Yeah. Valentine's any woman.

Yeah. I'm just going to say the word sex worker. So I can put it in. Yeah. Sex worker. There we go. Sex worker. Yes. That is like an Alan Patrick's kind of sting, isn't it? Sex worker. I was um, listen to a thing about these. Can you start this episode with me sitting like that, Clips? Yeah. Yeah. Sex worker. Yeah. Back to the film, we're very, very close to the end now.

Yes. The, the, the practice nights monster goes having carried out this sort of act of revenge and sort of murdered the director and, yes, the horror of seeing his now dead former corpse um, said he kind of, they lure him into, as John says, the nut hatch where insanely all of the members of the asylum who were just a little bit, little bit kooky. They weren't like like, yeah, one of them was just gay.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was just like a, you know, a damning, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, statement on how people used to be treated. Yes. And how something perfectly normal would have just been seen as, yeah, but somebody would be whipped up into the, it's up into a frenzy. Yeah. They just pull the monster apart with them. Yeah. And this is a 15. I can't get a lot of meat flying everywhere. Well, yeah, and then eating it. It's cannibalistic. Yeah. Consuming of this.

But there was no point that any of these people like to look like they had any kind of inclination to do this. It's just, yeah, it's a sick site. The loonies are going to do that. Yeah. But they are mentally ill cleave. So, you know, you've got to watch these types of people. After that, I've just put the insane mob is silenced by cushing, just telling them off. Yeah. Yeah. They're all like, it's killing frenzy and he goes, stop this now. And then he's very impressive.

Yeah. He's the leader as an ease. I guess. I guess. I guess. I guess. I think they see, maybe they see in him their own insanity and they're just like, oh, God. Yeah. Like, could have been far now. Yeah. Yeah. And then we get that he said, so with that, you know, so Frankenstein's monster has been destroyed. But then for as John previously mentioned, for a coder, we do actually get a coder. We get them back in the laboratory.

And I've put, Peter Cushing is putting about as much effort into sweeping up as I put into the reality. I was the most genteel sweeping up you can possibly imagine. Yes. In many ways, this kind of made the film for me or made it better. It's just how about we just go again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, we sort of quit massacres. Quater mass. Yes. Yeah. The dice that the whole point being is that he is this mad that he can't see, you know, after all this, just keep going.

Just keep carrying on because he wants to be like God himself. Yeah. So it's interesting that they were, they put that across as this is madness. And yeah. But in Quater mass, it's been put across a ceramic and essentially the both doing the same thing, aren't they? I don't know. I think in the Quater mass film, he looks, he looks kind of driven, driven, but driven to the point of insanity where he's just like, he's got no one.

He walks off into the distance with just the rocket and him and it fades to black, doesn't it? Yeah. And there is a line, and I do wonder if they filmed the insert at the end to put on the end because there is a line just before that where Peter Christian says, it's all over now, all over. And I thought that was a really, really, again, just an interesting way to kind of finish this film. But then you do have the code or where it's more a bit like, well, yeah, we might carry on or we might not.

But I like both as an ending, I just think it's really interesting where it's just like, yeah, we've just had all this happen to us, but he's just going to carry on with his wig and his fucking hands. And yeah, it's just, yeah, it's amazing, really. I'm for me watching the trailer. The trailer kind of just shows the last bit of it. So I thought it was going to be a lot more kind of like, not, you know, crazy people in the asylum and all that crazy antics stuff.

But it just kind of like that kind of happened in the last sort of 10, 15 minutes. Yes. So what do we think? Viewing it, the only way you can view it now, I think, is from a historical viewpoint and to view it as the coder of Hammer Films in general from that kind of canonical hammer, golden period. I think it's really good. And it's really strong.

I've watched it before and it didn't go into my head at all to rewatch it in a different context and be like, this is kind of like the funeral pyre of what Hammer Films was in the 50, 60s and 70s. I think it makes a lot more sense. And it's all, and I'm sure they must have known that it was being done in that way, especially because it was Terence Fisher's last film and he kind of knew maybe that the writing was on the wall for market saturation where literally there must have been making a film

like this a month, which is mad when you think of the British film industry now like what films actually do come out and have a general release and go around the world, you know, it is mad to think that just one company was probably making like 12, 15 films a year because for Hammer it wasn't just the horror stuff. It was like on the fucking buses and it was like, it was all the thrillers they made and stuff, you know, they made a huge amount of films.

Only five years before this, they had the like the Queen's Award for Industry for like how much money they'd made in 60s and by 1973, 74, they were literally on the bones of their ass because they, I think they just put too much money into films that hadn't captured a new zeitgeist of horror, which was, which then was very much Hollywood centric and it was things like. We had really bad coming, we had the excess coming, you know, and Trenton would be in the open in a year's time.

Well, this ended up being the year after the exorcist and compare this to the exorcist. I mean, it's not better or worse, it's just like a totally different entity and something as glossy as the other. But people are so fucking terrified by the exorcist of this sort of thing there was used to watching and then something that came along. So it interrupts here just doing a quick plug. Did you know that we do a range of general witchfinders t-shirts?

Go to jemmwitchfinders.com, buy a shirt and have support the show. Thanks. Yeah, so we're going to give it our fight. I'm going to give it like a four or four point five, which I wasn't expecting. But I think viewed in the way that I've said it totally changes the complexion of it as a kind of melancholic kind of end of the fan disciple or whatever you say that phrase. Kind of seecler. Just sums it up. So I've really seen the first Frankenstein from there and I've seen the last one.

I'd prefer the story of this one. I just wish it looked as good as the first Frankenstein. I just loved the look of the early stuff. And I felt like the 70s style of filmmaking and the way the films looked in the 70s only looks good when it's in a contemporary setting. Yes. Otherwise it just looks too clean. Yeah, it doesn't look authentic. No, no, no. So I'm going to give it a free James James. And I'm going to say if we're scoring a amount of five, two point five.

No. Because like I said, lots of, I said, really appreciated the set dressy and clear thought went into this and you've just heard his brand a lot about it for a couple of hours. The psychological overtones there of the whole setting it in the asylum and who is mad. That's all really, really good.

I also think as we also covered and just mentioned that whole idea of if they had have updated it in the same way that they did with Dracula 1972, that would have been cool and that would have given it, I think, a little bit more. Because he said sometimes it did feel a little bit slow. And then this, this for me. And there were a couple of choices that were quite strange.

So for me, I'm like, I'm pleased I watched it and there's some interesting things in it, but at the same time as well, I'm not like, that's incredible. So for me, straight down the middle two point. I would be very, I would love to have seen a 1970s Peter Cushing Frankenstein defrosted in some kind of primary in, you know, middle sex and kind of 40. Yeah, they did the descendants of Anne Helsing, who actually done the war. And young Frankenstein, Stylian, who made it the same time.

Or just completely reboot it. It's happened in the game, you know? Frank Einstein. But yeah, I can imagine a kind of hammer, 70s thing, where a bit like Hammerhouse of horror, the TV series, you know, he's in some kind of, he's killing people in like a health club or something like that, isn't it? So, do you mean we said there was nine, I can't remember. But I can't believe they made so many of them. They made Curse Revenge, evil Frankenstein created woman, which is really good as well.

Frankenstein must be destroyed and this one. So I think there's seven women. Well, it's not really a monster. And that one again is quite fair retail, where bizarrely, the brain of a man is put into a bullied disabled woman. And then they have this mad kind of kind of split personality and then murder the people that used to bully them in this little village, which is somewhere in Germany. One of the people bullying them is the chief inspector from heartbeat.

And Derek Folt, who was also a basil brushes best mate. I'm just going to say, I definitely, definitely want to do. So, for something horrific this month, has anyone got anything they want to talk about? Anyone got anything weird or spooky they've read, watched or seen? Well, yes, I have cleaves. I've got The Way of Ghosts and other dark tells by Ambrose Beas.

So I had no idea who Ambrose Beas was and this is from the British, British Library kind of out of copyright kind of re-print thing, which is very good. And I've got tons of these. But this one is a guy who I would say was roughly equivalent to and maybe fought in the American Civil War. A lot of his stories are set in the American Civil War. They're quite strange, they're quite unusual. So yeah, here we are. Ambrose Beas 1842 to 1914, question mark.

So he lived through a very, very important and interesting part of history. But these stories are really, really weird and kind of not like anything else I've read really. So I would very much, I'm not going to say too much about them because they're so weird. But I would, I would partly recommend these or kind of an era of American literature that I didn't really know existed within the uncanny or supernatural realm.

You know, roughly equivalent to Edgar Allan Pose, but kind of I'd say quite different to Pope. Much more kind of set in the author's contemporary life. Really interesting. Well, I got a collection of definitely tomorrow's short stories. Not the one with the birds, a different one. And the first story was really quite disturbing. It was about this guy just one day, he was just walking along the river with his wife and it's something just flips in his brain.

And I'm going to kill someone and he just goes off. And he finds this an area where they're demolishing the houses and there's just like immigrant woman living with her child who she just ties a child up outside the front step. So he can't get away and suddenly kind of like ends up like going into the house and he's like, and it's all from his POV and it's like, do I kill her now? I'm not sure. And then he sort of makes up the story that he's he said, I'm going to live for them for a bit.

And then he makes up the story that he's an artist in order to stay in the house. And then he ends up getting really into his art and then he forgets about killing him because he gets really into doing his art and stuff. And then I think I've read this one. And then it's absolutely raving man. Yeah. And then it goes really kind of really dark twisted. I can't believe this is going well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was I read lots of these short stories and stuff. It's the first one for a long time.

I'm like, I didn't see where this was going. Yeah. It's pretty disturbing. I think a lot of her's alike that. And there's one maybe called the apple tree, which is very good, which is about a man that kind of identifies an apple tree in his garden as his wife who he hated. And he tries to cut the apple tree down, but then I think the apple tree falls on him. And it starts to snow and then he freezes to death.

And then the other one is of course the birds, which is totally, totally and utterly different to the film version. I might read it tonight actually. It's so much better than the film version. It has this real sense of impending doom, which is on a much bigger scale than the film version. Yeah. Well, I really good. Yeah. I put off really Rebecca for so many years. Yeah, it's amazing. So I couldn't get past it just the first shot. And then what I got into it is it's such a good writer.

Brilliant. Yeah. Amazing. Okay. So next time on Gemma, which winders, you've all been clamoring for us to do more James Herbert. So we're going to be in James Herbert, the survivor, but the film not the book of the survivor. So how about next we return to the Herbert verse for the survivor. Right. So this is goodbye. Again. All right. We will see you soon. So happy to be with you. Bye bye everyone. Okay. I'm going to call. Take care. Thanks for listening.

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