43 - 28 Days Later

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That's great. Anyway. I'm Britain, an ancient kingdom with legends of violence, cruelty, and torment in its blood. Join your hosts, Ross, John, and James, as they bravely tread with you, would dare. Witness their journey into the horrific history of British horror. They are. The general witch-finders. Right. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, gobbling some girls. Welcome back to the mindless twaddle once in a review of the 43rd episode of the general witch-finders podcast. I'm James

in Bournemouth in southern England. I'm John Pountney in South Wales, which is still in the South Wales. And I can't believe that we've watched 43 films in three years. Well, me and James are watching more because we've the next ones as well. God, it just makes your mind just. In the first year, we watched 20 films. No, we did. We did. In the first year, we watched 20 films. But that was lockdown, wasn't it? Yes. We watched 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. 12 films in the second year and then one,

9 in the... Oh my God. ...oddfathers. Yeah. Fair play. There we are. All right. So, I'm Ross, you ever said to me you were? Oh, sorry. I'm Ross and Dorchester. And this time we woke up 28 days later. Hello! Hello! Who are you? Wake up today in Asberler. Wake up. I'm a loosening. Hello! I've got some bad news. They're infected. Infected. Oh, God. Water. Infected with yeast. Oh, shouldn't it do a nice? Half the blood of something in the blood. Oh, God.

There's someone. He never go anywhere alone unless he got naturally. Hello? There's two. Only travel during daylight unless he got naturally. It's really a bad idea. Go away. It's obviously a bad idea. We have to leave now. What will become of you? They always do. The dead. And you're going to be next. So 28 days later is a 2002 British poster booklipsic horror film. Our first film from the 21st century. Guys, that's true. We have covered two other topics that were made in this century.

What are they? What's the question? This is our first film from the 21st century. We've done two other things that were made in this century. So far. A marketist thing probably. Kind of. We've done the road radio adaptation. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we did never trust the rabbit short story. Oh, yeah. We're back in episode four or something or eight. Oh, really? It's already done seven by then. But before, this is the first film we've done from the 21st century.

Yes. Wow. So it says that you and McGregor was the original choice to play the protagonist. But he and director Danny Boyle had had a falling out at the time over the beach in which McGregor is slated to play the lead. But was then replaced by Leonardo DiCaprio. And of course, McGregor and Boyle have since reconciled as they made traits between two together. T2. T2. Not to be confused with terminated two judge today. Far far far superior. Absolutely far superior film.

After McGregor, the role was offered to Ryan Gosling. What? What? T2. And all these people are much older than you think. Like in the 50s and 60s. Everyone's aging much better now. It's the die-metric opposite to the 1960s. Killian Murph 65. Well, he's also known for us. So it's so Ryan Gosling who passed having a scheduling conflict, leading to the film being offered to the relatively unknown, Murphy. Peakybind blinders slash Oppenheimer star.

Murphy, unsuccessful audition for the role of Batman for Batman begins of course. But Christopher Nolan Lightfield is 47. Yes, he's making it so easy. Yeah. But Christopher Nolan Lightfield's audition so much that he gave him a role as the scarecrow who played in all three Nolan Batman films. Murphy is also apparently a huge Doctor Who fat. The color to her mind. He says that's true. Wow, I'm scared to go to this. I put Doctor Who all the modern rubbish.

So it says, Speaking of which, the film also features the ninth Doctor Christopher Eccleston with a very gingery biscuit-y-hu. Yes, yes. That's an terrible posh accent. Yes, as well as Naomi Miss Money, Penny Harris, Megan Burns and the great, great Brendan Gleason with a terrible accent as well. Yeah, I was, it was possible. It was just, it just should have been Irish. Yeah, he's a lot to be Irish. Yeah, all right. Matt, come on in. Yeah, don't worry about it.

Zombies, mate, we're getting my tap to you. But because yeah, that, um, that, uh, uh, accent, I didn't recognize it was him. I was going to be in this way. The magic of acting. I thought it was Olivia, all the way through. So apparently Brendan Gleason, who according to IMDB is born on the same date as Councillor Diana Troy herself. Very hard assertion. Very hard assertion. Ah. Now, Danny Boyle's, oh, hold on a second. Oh, Danny Boyle. Oh, the pipes, the pipes are calling.

So Danny Boyle, as the director, he's, uh, he's had a strange old filmography. Danny Boyle. Very in mind, he's a very sick. You would have to describe him as a successful film maker. When you actually go back, you're like, oh, God, I totally forgot. He directed that. And that, that film's had no cultural impact whatsoever, etc, etc. And very in mind, he directed a film that was just, you know, resplendent with Oscars in slumdog millionaire. A film that you barely either see or hear about.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I shared it to the kids the other day and it was like, oh, I forgot. There was so much, um, Peter failure and, like, and dog abuse and stuff in this film. Dog abuse. Drug abuse. Oh, yeah. I was, I thought, this is silly. And dog abuse. And we went, Helen, I went to see one of his films and it was absolutely awful. But it was remarkable just for the fact that at the time he was with Rosario Dawson. Yes. She is totally, full, frontally nude in it about at least three times. What?

I mean, just like, is this tromba? Is this tromba? I honestly don't remember. It was, it must have been about 2012, 2013. And I remember thinking because it was around the time of the Olympics. I do remember thinking, I wonder if the Queen has watched this. And it's been disgusted by this film. We are not immune. Yeah, I have to say. We walked out of it like, what the fuck was that meant to be? This absolute garbage. Right. So there's a sea dungeon.

Right. Okay. So according to Rossi's script here, so the big ones are shallow grave, which was his first feature, the train spotting, which is the thing for which he's most anonymous. The fine dogs, the night of his ice. I very much. That was absolute shit. Well, interestingly enough, his follow up, which people were absolutely. Weng themselves over after the train spotting, you know, a life less ordinary. Because people like, oh, Jenny Bois is going to film with you and McGregor.

It's going absolutely wonderful. It was dreadful. It went to say it was Simon. Yeah. 1998. It was very bad. It is. It is. It's got a kind of weird matter of life and death kind of thing. That's in it with like, the angels or the same clothes. Yeah. All I know, I've got to get this in before we do the review. I think, Cleves, that me and you went to see 28 days later with Simon. All right. OK. And, and your, your other from back in the day, who remains nameless on this podcast.

And I think we went to see an Atlantic War thing card. It sounds a bit. Yeah. And we came out. We weren't fussed at the time. And Simon said he could have stayed in and watched casualty. Yeah. And that was his review. Is that where we had an argument over who someone being in independent state? And potentially, yeah, Robert Donnelly, do you? Yeah. And I said he wasn't in it. And you may be getting money at the cash point to pay you for the bet. Because I was. A bet to bet, Cleves.

Good, good, good hustling, Joe. Well done. Well done, sir. Right. So it also says that he directed the beach, of course, which is when he first worked with Alex Garland, who's the rising of this film. But then the science fiction slash horror film Sunshine, which lots of people love and it left it left me very cold. It was a hamster. I was really disappointed. What's his name? Brian. Brian. Yeah, it's a scientific advisor on that. Oh, really?

I always think of whenever I think of that film, I think of event horizon. Yes, very. Yes, cut from the same plot. I think it is. Well, that was ripped off from the Sun China. Yeah, isn't it? Yeah. And with Michelle Collins, TV Cindy Beale. Exactly. Another East Enders. Yeah, but not the biggest banker of the more. Which was another one star reviewing TV's Wendy Richards. Is it Wendy Richard or Wendy Richards? I always think so. The first of the one of them. Really wish hard, sir. What's that?

What year is this madam? Oh, it might actually be madam. What year is this? Can you say Cutty Sark in that voice? Cutty Sark. Madam. What year is this? So he also directed the movie 127 hours about the guy who got his arms stuck in the rock. I was going to watch that. And he had to watch that. Yeah, it was good film, but you can't like anything with that guy now. Yes. And also, I should, Ross hasn't put it in the script. But also on the other side of the equation, I'll put it out there.

He did direct the Steve Jobs movie. Oh, and everyone's there. Which is pretty good. Which is worth watching. Yeah, it's like a stage play more than anything else. And it's three times when Steve Jobs is about to go and give the keynote speech at the Apple thing. Yeah. And it's the different times of his life. Okay. Does he film all with Dutch angle? He's on the digital camera. I don't know. I just thought it was French camera. Oh. I enjoyed that one.

However, I must also point out he directed that dreadful movie yesterday, when everyone forgets that the Beatles have existed. Is that Annie Boyle? Yes. Oh. The song in which the guy who is the protagonist and Ed Sheeran have a song off. I thought that was just the man that did 24 and not 20 bullweddings and a fizzle. Richard Curtis. Richard Curtis. Richard Curtis wrote it. Oh. But Annie Boyle directed it. And that's the last thing he's directed. Oh. It's my friends. He was a wonderful film.

The Bond film wasn't he? But then they had a big falling out. Yeah. It is trans. Interesting. I saw James. Yes. 23 psychological thriller. Okay. A screenplay by Joe Aherne. Who's Joe Aherne? I know that name. Adam and Joey. No. No. Joe Aherne. No. But he wrote ultra-violet and he was a doctor. He was a doctor who director. Oh, I thought he was a doctor who directed Dalek and another. Oh, okay. And Chris Rickles has said he would only come back and do the.

Yes. And he did van을봇s to be let him direct it. Yes. And they fired Russell T. Awesome. Yeah. So it costs 20 million to make it. It's made 24.3 million. Yeah. So that's a flop. Isn't it? I remember the time people saying this film is ridiculous. Yes. But yeah, once again, very small cultural capital. Sorry if you are listening to this. Yeah. Millionaire. And far if we got now talking about nothing before we get to the film. What's that? This is the best bit, isn't it?

Yeah. No one wants, no one here, no one listens to here. Let's talk about the actual film we're reviewing. That's a film we're reviewing. Well, what were the names of the people that left those. I can't remember name. No. They're not written on little dolls with pins. No. They read it. It doesn't wake up in the middle of the night, sketch out in their names. Yes. There's lots of red bits of string. I'll find them. Different photos of them. Yeah. Right.

So also, it's worth pointing out that, of course, Danny Boyle directed the artistic director of the opening ceremony in the 2012 London Olympics. Which was very good. Best things ever done. Yeah. And interest almost like Britain from another time. There's an amazing documentary about us doing it. All the preparations and stuff. And it just looked good. Yeah. It was insane. It was great. How far we have fallen. Exactly. Exactly.

I imagine it. Yeah. Because I was saying, oh, you never really think about Danny Boyle and I think about the Olympics and all of that. And I thought, yeah, do you remember at the time there was a conservative MP who in the midst of that ceremony had tweeted more multicultural crap and loads of people just absolutely tore into him going, yeah, I have seen it in a have day. This is brilliant. And this is representing great Britain. And he was really shouted down.

Yeah. And these days he would be applauded. Yeah. Look at him taking a stand against wokeness or something like that. And I was like, Jesus, that really was kind of like the last days of old Britain. Yeah. The 20th thing you wrote before Brexit and so on and so forth. But anyway, back to it. The other thing that he did do, big tick and the good column is Danny Boyle also directed Frankenstein on stage for the national theatre with two Sherlock Holmes isn't it?

Benedict Cumberbatch and Johnny Lee Miller that and Rossus, but that James was indeed lucky enough to see life. Yeah, very jealous. And yeah, they did that thing where they would swap who would play Frankenstein and who would play the creature Adam Frankenstein, fact fans. Oh, yeah. Adam Frankenstein has a name he gives himself. So the night that I saw it, it was I was really pleased because the creature was Johnny Lee Miller.

Cumberbatch was was Frankenstein, which I think was, yes, which I think was probably the best. Oh, they're on Amazon Prime, I think. And I've sort of skipped through just watching both of them to compare their different performances. It was really interesting. Yeah, yes. I would say that Cumberbatch, I would say that he's seen as being a stronger actor than Johnny Lee Miller. Is that true or? I would say. Yes. Yes. I was listening. Again, multibillionaire Johnny Lee Miller.

I was really, really, really, too much to say for this. Ever. Yeah. A little podcast, a really podcast. And he, but also Rossis Grip points out that Boyle was offered a past on directing the following films. Alien resurrection, apparently, to work on a life less ordinary fight club, apparently, although he was busy with the beach. Although that's the first time I've ever heard that Ross. Yes, and apparently eight mile as he was busy with 28 days later with their Eminem. Is that eight months?

Yes. Yeah. One of a lot of people don't know as well. He's related to TV Susan Boyle from the X factor. Other scene person. I believe. And he's directed a lot of the videos. A lot of people know that. Well, also, it says here that regular contrary, collaboration with Boyle, one of my, that's this is me, James, not Ross. One of my absolute favorites is Alex Garland, who wrote this film. And that man has got a filmography that includes, never let me go.

Dreads, which is the judge's red film, which even though it says he didn't direct it, he did direct it. Fantastic. Really good. The absolutely incredible ex-machina with which he was even Oscar nomination. One of my top 10 films of all time. I love it so much. He also wrote the Fantastic TV series and under scene TV series Devs, which if you've got Disney Plus is all on Disney Plus there. You can watch that. You'll listen to that. That's amazing.

And the absolutely bonkers, the Fantastic TV bonkers movie men. And he has the, yeah. And he has the perfect sense intriguing looking civil war coming out. Yeah, that looks good. Yeah. I don't know about the English civil war. No, unfortunately not. No, no. Another American war. Another American war. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. God men was out there. Well that would be a good review for this because it's definitely a horror film.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we have to go through each transformation at the end in great time. So Alex Garland has said that he took inspiration for 28 weeks later from George Garland's film series, the two bits that definitely inspired it. Both not the original but as in Dawn and Day of the Dead inspired him and 90 John Wyndham's 1951 novel Day of the Triffids.

The notion of like the quieter apocalypse and the England, Fallen, Silent, the rest of the world coming out of the hospital, isn't it? Yes. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Oh, what's the BBC? What's the guy in the BBC one called? Oh, the Bicarion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The crew filmed during early mornings and temporarily closed streets to capture recognisable and typically busy areas when they were deserted.

For the scene in which Jim walks by the over term double double deck of bus, which was on White Hall. Yeah. No less. Yeah. Yeah. The crew placed the bus on its side and moved it when the shot was finished all within 20 minutes. They had asked permission to place the bus outside Downing Street, but Westminster City Council refused when they arrived at 4am. No one was the council was around. They just went ahead and did it anyway. Yeah, man.

He says on the commentary like post-911, he's like, there is no way they would let us do this now. Or 777 as well. They all bust rings, you know? Yes. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These are the parts that really remind me of Rose, the first episode of Russell T. Davis's Doctor Who because it's... I watched, I still watched them film segments on St Mary Street and Cardiff, which didn't make it into the episode, infamously, because the director Keith Boke went a bit rogue.

And then things were very dangerous. And there was a whole sequence with the bus. And there was a sofa flying through the air, which could have hurt extras. And watching this, it really reminded me of watching that being filmed, which obviously would have only been about two years after this, maybe I think it was 2004.

The other day, so the other day I was told about that aspect and I was told about someone knowing someone that worked on life force, who created the mannequins for life force, all the different animatronics. I can't remember who I was having the conversation. Oh, no. So it was someone who was telling me about Keith Boke directing Rose, who was never asked back to do any more Doctor Who.

And then they were telling me, I think I'm sure it's the same person, the same conversation, was then telling me about the last thing that they did was to make the animatronics for life force and then they changed career. And I was like, that's a hell of a way to bow out because the animatronics are the best of the movie.

Yeah. And the sequence is in this film, I really, very similar to the Dutch angles and the kind of weird golden filter, a very, very like the first, the Eccleston first season I've got to, which is quite strange, I think. I think it's a very popular aesthetic at the time.

Well, it looks very early notice doesn't it now in this film and it looks quite, I mean, there's dated and there's also like, there's the bit where he walks along and all the phones that, you know, the payphones hanging down at the start. That look, that's the only bit really that you're kind of like, this looks massively different to now. Otherwise, it, it looks quite now, but it all in, in the way it's made it looks very dated now, doesn't it? It just quite does.

So back on Rossi scripts and we've got, it says one of the first mainstream films to be shot entirely, did digitally, as we've discussed them, although not the final scene. Oh, okay. Thank you, actually watch it. It's not, it was a huge financial success, grossing more than 82.7 million dollars worldwide on its modest budget of eight million dollars.

It became one of those profitable horror films of 2002 and also something else I thought about rewatching this and other, this came out the same year as Doc Solgers. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There was something really in the water, I think that's the military versus super nice. Yes, right, wasn't there? And it says that producer, as you McDonald had access to funding from the National Lottery and pitched it to Universal Pictures who declined to support it.

Budget constraints proved to be an issue with Chris Recklesson having to take an emergency pay-up during filming. McDonald announced to the crew that the production of run-out money and that the filming ceased without a closing sequence being shot. He says on the commentary that the bit when they crashed through the gates, that, you know, that kind of freeze frame, he said that was going to be the end of the film. Oh, really? Oh, no way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for ages, he was like, we filmed it and then we showed it's university went, no, you can't stop there. You need to do a coder, which is so different from every other film we've done on this podcast. Idiant. No, no, no, yeah, so. And then it says after pitching several endings, the original which featured Jim's death and what having watched it now on the aforementioned DVD, it's exactly the same, just with no Jim. Oh, no way. It's a chicken instead.

I'm just talking to a chicken. I'm a table. There's like a chicken on the table and she's putting together like the, you know, the flail thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why would you spell hello when you could do help with free analysis? That's literally what I've said. Yeah. Right. So yes, but that original ending which featured Jim's death tested badly with audiences. The studio's granted more funding to film the ending scene, which was eventually used and shot on film.

And filming because it looks very, very different. Oh, that's the crew. Organized for a real jet to fly overhead. There's a film as this was cheaper than approximately 70,000 pounds for a computer-generated one. That's mad. Which I could do now. We like top walls. We're doing that. Yeah. I remember interviewing the guy who directed Rogue One. And I can't remember his name. Gareth. Gareth Edwards. Gareth Edwards. He's a lovely guy. I interviewed him for Welsh BAFTA about.

Cool. Oh my God, so long ago when monsters came out, they filled monsters. Yeah. And I remember what really stuck in my mind was that he, all the stuff that was in monsters, all the vehicles and stuff and planes and stuff were available online to download as like renders you could use in films and stuff. And I just thought that mad. The difference between that, which monsters was like 2008? Yeah. This is 2002. So that's only five years. It was cheaper to get a real jet plane.

Yeah. When you watch it now, I remember at the time thinking that's a jet plane. When you watch it now, it's really obvious that it's not a contemporary jet plane. It looks like a 50s jet plane. It looks like one of the ones from like Thunderball. Yeah, yeah. I was in the lab. But does that kind of an, if things all got wet to shit, you know, maybe they were like, maybe. Yeah. I don't know if they get a jet out of like Ducksford M Museum to go looking for people.

But yeah, that's an interesting kind of thing at the end that you're like, Oh, that jet looked really like anachronistic. Yeah. So should we start with the film? We got one last. One last. Oh, no. Let me get another. This must be a record for the intro. It is. But it says this film was then followed by the, and this is being highly disfigured. It's far superior. Oh, I'm trusting. I think it, I think for 20 weeks, but yeah. Oh, my god. I'm just feeling like I'm better. I've been really not.

Well, for a start, it's got Imogen Pootsin, who is like the best looking film star of the 21st century. I, and it's just a father to film James. Well, I just, I just don't like the, the whole point of this bit for me and the thing where, like they put a rum with it is the whole notion of Britain is under quarantine. And I love the notion of they would have just left us to get on with it. And so the notion that at the end, like you see him in Paris and stuff, I was like, I did just like that.

I did. But a lot of the stuff, I thought was stronger. You're being with Robert Carl, I'm running Chad the Hill and stuff at the staff. Yeah, that's good. I had to watch that through my hat. It was all because I was absolutely shitting it. And I just thought, yeah, that's, yeah, I think that's a better film. Interesting. Okay. And apparently, Boyle and Garland have been and apparently Killian Murphy now with this Oscar nominee flex and power. Yeah, interesting.

And doing a third part entitled 28 years. Which it almost is now. Yeah, it is. Right. And this is put, this may be released in three parts, depending on what room is your area. Yeah. Yes, I've, I've read that that it's a trilogy. I read that a couple of weeks ago when, before we, I watched it, but when I knew we were watching it for the podcast, I then saw by coincidence, they were talking about doing a trilogy now, which is, are there another three films to squeeze out? I don't know.

The thing is, with content these days, people will literally watch anything these days like that. And you could probably make 48 films and people. Well, they made several series of it. It was called The Walking Dead. Oh my God. I did a little bit. I did my homework. Ross and Walking Dead. And I was going to ask you guys about, you know, your thoughts on this as regards like, you know, there was obviously something in the water going on because the Walking Dead is a comic came out in 2003.

Oh, really? And so, yeah, obviously the revival of zombies, knowing how it takes to make comics, I've very, very much now Robert Perkman would have seen this and gone, and now I want to do a zombie comic. Yeah. But I think that in the, the, the cultural milieu, as it were, there was obviously something going on. The kickoff, it's just so similar though, isn't it? The whole, the whole accident and waking up in hospital. It feels like. Oh, yeah.

That's an, that, that's an archetypal disaster that is literally exactly the start of the triphids, John Windom novel. And then it's exactly the same in the BBC version with John D'Ate, who I've just Googled. That's it. And later on Gary Olson, who went on to be the father in 2.4 children. For children. And then died very young. He did. So anyway, it's a big hello there to Gary Olson. From beyond the credits. We thought you were great. I've lost my threads slightly. Keep pulling on.

I know that bloody, walking dead was terrible. I watched a series where they were just on a farm, like the Walton. Oh, that's my favourite series. Oh my god. And he was like, there's nothing happening. There's no zombies. They're just on a farm. There's no fence. Like how do they stop? There's zombies coming. Yeah, I was, I, I don't know. That was my favourite series of it, but I think terrible. Yeah. It just went on and on and on and on and on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'd want to be like, in the, well, we'll see now. But I think the best way to deal with it is to be in the top of a block of flats, with a lot of doors instead, it's between you and the zombies. And just go out in a car. Don't walk around. And just have a lot of machine guns. I'll just go to Portland, that's why I'd go. It's cruise ship. There's always been my boat. I'll get out of here. James Randall's autobiography coming soon. Yeah, well, stop the cruise ship.

Would you wear little captains outfit? You know, I want to go from the white shorts and the quite high white socks. Well, I'm Hubbard. Yeah, Doctor at sea. And the door to the museum, they got brilliant like haul in there. And I think that would be my poker, place of pocklet, to sort of like, um, what we thought about this year. Court. I'd be like, you, where people come in on a floating chair. Yeah, torrenting Patrick Stewart.

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But I remember him from a TV series called Up to Something, which was on Children's BBC in the late 80s, where as I've read tonight, he appeared on the Shane Richie amongst others. What I do remember a sketch from that, or another program where a Jordi man presented it with long hair, and David Schneider played a wrestler in that in a wrestling ring. And that was really funny. And that was probably about 1989. And then he popped up in this film.

And I do remember laughing to myself at the time thinking, that's TV's David Schneider, who at that point was most famous for being Tony Hall or whatever his name is from Imala Padrich, wasn't he at that point? And of course, he's suddenly one of the days he's at him. Yes, yes. When Alan Puckley's waves his cheese at him. Absolutely. And say something like, Give me a show, you shit. Yeah, smell my cheese. Smell my cheese. Monkey tennis. Oh, that's it.

So, yeah, we're in a not very convincing lab somewhere with munchies. Hingsome, they told us. Yeah. Very dark lab, but it doesn't look very scientific at all with lots of munchies. And then for the news. Yeah, a monkey being forced to watch the news, which looks like something from like a really shit Roger Waters video or something, that would be projected before Roger Waters, the wall, not Pink Floyd's the wall, just Roger Waters the wall. And it's not very convincing.

And then some people some well-meaning idiots break it and rights activists to let the munchies out. And then of course, a woman gets bitten on the face by a monkey. While David Schneider screams unconvincingly about them being infected or contagious or something. Beccon saying, if they really were infected with that, there'd be guns and stuff around. So I just in case if any of them did get out, you just shoot it. But you wouldn't be just be pressing on an intercom would you?

No. No. I put that it was a bad day for Arnold Schifter and the PG chip. Raise your friend. Here I was. Do you know, I've gone into an uncontrollable killing range. I'm playing a few bars. There's one for the teenagers. Yes. Yes, what I needed was, um, but a cryptid to do if we say before all of those monkeys and I thought Yeah, we We had a good I will be editing that scene with that music over the top of it. Love it boy. It's basically Dave the triffits and isn't it? It is with his winky out.

Yeah, sorry for him. I put well done. I put well done, Kylian Murphy. Yeah, very naked. He's not just naked. If I was a quick flash, he's naked for a very long time. My question for that scene is would he be naked? Wouldn't you be in some kind of gown? I don't know. I think it's issue, but those operating on his head, weren't they? Yeah, but it's obviously post-op at that point. They haven't run off and left him there in the middle of an operation because his head's been sewn up.

So why is he naked? I just think that's um, Kyl is on the part of the nursing staff. Yeah. It's such a very striking and unexpected image. It is a very striking image. Maybe it's the same nurses from American World from Watt London who we know, check out people with genitalia while they're under. Yes. I potentially don't know that because I think they probably skipped most of that. And to be fair, I skipped quite a lot of this film.

We then get the very, very famous opening and that's just as just as Kylian Murphy makes his way out of the abandoned hospital. And when I saw hospital racing, John, after last time, do you think this is an alright hospital? It looks very modern. It does. But I mean, I was intrigued to see a cost of coffee. Yes. I didn't know cost of coffee is dated back so far. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But probably with things like that, they were in London first and then they went to other places.

I can remember being really good. There's a really great restaurant in London called Subway. Like when I go to London, I always get it. I love an Italian BMT six inch with honey mustard dressing and gurgings. Oh, the Emperor. I'm sorry, please do. Please listen Subway, we are available for sponsorships. We will sell out very easily. These bits are very effective though, aren't they? Where he walks around the hospital and other bits of street.

He walks across Western Minster Bridge like the Dalek stood in the Dalek invasion. There's a point where he finds a newspaper. Doesn't read it. Like, what can I read on these papers? Just looks at it. He's the front cover. Yeah. We'll cut us that in a second. And it's a very bad, not legit typeface, which is spaced read horribly. And I just think the art department would asleep at the wheel at that point. And I would have had a fucking screaming abdagged by a director this.

And some lackey came to me with that front page of a newspaper. And I said that doesn't look like a fuck. It's been printed off with Microsoft Word, isn't it? Well, this looks terrible. But also, I didn't realise as I was having watched it in the cinema when it first came out and having not seen it for a long time since, I forgot that it has, it's got soundtrack over this. Yes, which is quite weird. Okay, I put it doesn't need it. No, it's quite, it would have been way more effective to quiet.

Just silent. There's the jump scare when he triggers the car a lot. And that's what the soundtracks go. It would have worked. But I don't know. Okay, if you were in that situation, I don't think I'd be out in the middle going, hello, hello. No, I wouldn't. I think I'd be like, something's bad happening. This is really funny. I need to hide. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we have just discussed that he finds a very fake fake evening standard, which, as John says, looks over.

And Mike Harrison, another one which has got some of the same kind of DNA to this movie, I think, in some, which is a quiet place. When you see a quiet place, they do a similar S thing that you see that the dad has got all to kind of like the news stories about the alien invasion up on his wall. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they've got the New York Times. No, so the daily news from New York. And it's like, it just says it sounds. And it's like these aliens responded to sound.

And apparently, I think this was really nice. They contacted him. He was there my tireless forget now. He was jimming the office. You know, and they just said, but they they got in contact with him just to say full permission to use the mask head. And for what it's worth, that's exactly the headline we would have missed. If this is really that's why we would have done this. Because it's sure and it's punchy.

Yeah. So that's what made me think I was like, wow, whereas in a quiet place, they did a really good job of making you think that's the real news. I'm this is like, no, it's like times, it's like times new Roman with loads of space around it. And you just know pictures. These use the same typeface as the fucking paper would abuse. Yeah. They wouldn't have used the serif typeface you idiots.

So they have like a board with all the people like the lost people and they said this is 911 and they was like, yeah, round the year of sculpture in. Yeah. And then they were really silly circus. But very much like the shrine to a young to Jones in and kind of, hey, doesn't it? A little bit like that. What this makes me think is that we were lucky really to grow up in an era where history, and this is a chapter in the Andrew Marbock about the history of Britain.

And since then, obviously history has just gone mad again. Where it says really that history has stopped and history is just shopping now. And everyone's got loads of money and everything's fine. And then suddenly what happens in this, while they were filming this is 911, which obviously precipitated a lot more history. And we're still living in the shadow of a lot of that stuff.

Absolutely. Yeah. So you know, for the 90s really growing up on the news you had like Yugoslavia and stuff, which was horrific. But you didn't have world wars, you didn't have plagues, you didn't have. But you know, we made films about stuff like that. But my daughter asked me today, it's a war on Ukraine still happening. It's not going to be world war freezing, you know, I was like, I hope not. No. But while I'm listening to a podcast about Oslo mostly, it's just, it's not talking to me.

I'm listening to that. It's just fascist. That's not so. When is Blackshire? So I think that this film says a lot about a point in history where, like if you think about what has happened to us. There's a lot of stuff that happened to that film, which actually happened since that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But also since 2012, if you think of all the stuff, like we said earlier, if you think of all the stuff that's happened since the Olympics in 2012, to Britain, a lot of that is to do with foreign, you know, we've had people murdered on British soil by Russian agents. And no one did anything about it. They just let them get away with it. And then when they did an interview saying, oh, they'd come as tourists to look at shows we could feed, souls we could eat, everyone just laughed about it.

And I was like, these guys murdered someone. It was just everything. Shut down the whole city. Yeah. And now and things like that now we're just laughed off like, oh, the next thing in the news cycle. It was just very, very weird. When you think back to this time, like the biggest news, you know, when you think about the 2010 election when Gordon Brown called a bigoted woman, a bigoted woman, that, you know, that was a massive, you're already actually what he did was right.

And I think the world has gone really mad. But when you look at films like this, it's people fictionalizing big happenings because they were really big things happening. And then obviously while they were making this obviously, they had done a bunch of things which was a massive, you know. And apparently this film became really popular during the pandemic as well. Yes, did it. Yeah. We've actually, yeah, we've lived through. We've lived through. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's interesting. He mentions, Danny Boyle mentions on the Comture track. He says that he was inspired a lot by, and like the notion of Britain being quarenting, that idea again. He said it obviously said we had a flare up of foot and mouth. And John, I say that was like the first time. Yes, that was like the biggest thing. Yeah. And then I got that. And so we could.

I remember Helen and I went out for the day and we couldn't drive down certain lanes in the Vale because of foot and mouth disease. And I remember thinking this is really quite strange. And then, you know, the news footage was like, at loads of cows being burned, you know, the carcass has been burned and stuff. And that was like, oh, this is a big deal. And so it's like, it's just never ending that. It's a little bit of a twist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the next bit that's really scary or the first bit. So I was pondering. And I don't know if you two will agree. This is potentially the first properly scary film that we've watched for this podcast. I don't know. I got scared by Ghostwatch. I did, honestly. I was just wondering, what is this? I don't know. I did, honestly, when we were 15. Yeah, no, no, no, no. But I watched it on my own. Well, there's creeping you out.

Yeah, but this is a proper, this is a proper, this is a proper modern horror film. It was this really, it didn't this time, but I remember watching the scene in the church at the time and that really put the willies at me. So what happens is he goes into a church. You've got the iconography of the crucifix there and there. But then what annoyed me slightly now is that you've got something on the wall that says something like the end is really fucking now.

Yeah, as we mentioned this, I thought that's like no one would fucking write that. Right. I put hips the graffiti job. That's my life. And like you, I just thought who would spend the time to put the, who the, the end is extremely fucking now. But I think what is the time to do that? Exactly that was watching it again. Like first summer watch it when I was like 22. Yeah, what you have now is a more older and cynical guy. Yes. Yes. No one would bother doing that.

But the, I thought like the, the, the, the vision of seeing all the dead bodies. Everyone who everyone went to the church and done that's just very of up to dumps bodies off at the church. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This has got me the best place for. So that's really put the willies up. I think he said he saw that actually from footage from the, a bowl of virus. But that's an e-dron.

They recreated that for all this. And it's also very similar to the end of life force as well with all the bodies outside the air. And fun, the cultural piece of them that is life force. The, the infected priest who he then runs into. For the last time, I think I did fancy. Yes. There you go guys. Back in Swenny's back in it would have been 2006. Right. When I was teacher training. A lot of people in my teacher training course did a fancy dress party for Halloween.

I said, I need something like cheapish to do. And you can get one of those long. Preest out of it's pretty cheaply. Apply zombie makeup. Look all sweat, look all kind of sweaty bang. Box your uncle. I was very pleased to get. But I think that was the last time I ever did fancy dress. I've just as an ugly sister since then. And I just have a zamy wine house. Yeah. For a school before as well. Zombie version of her office. But not his now.

But no, but that was I think the last time I did fancy dress by anyway. Anyway, yes. So Jim is attacked by the zombie priest and the the hordes and the big. And the selling point for this film. Is the way that ran. Yeah. At the time. I think I'm thinking back to it. The whole deal was a they don't shuffle towards you anymore. They're not ready meant to be zombies in this film. I think that's. They're just people who are infected. But it's still nice to get out of my mind.

Don't get in their bodies. Don't get into bodies. And they said, oh no. Yeah, but it's not the dead you got to worry about. It's the infected. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But also. All these films always. There's not enough people throwing up for the stench of dead bodies. Yes. You'd be like, like, especially when they go into a room and then they go, oh, there's a body in it. You're like, you would smell that out for fucking miles. Well, they do. You're going to see Jim's parents.

They do. Oh, God. That was the most effective part of it for me. Yes. I remember when I lived on Elm Street in Cardiff. There was a piece of salmon under under a piece of stone that had gone rotten in the yard. And the smell from a tiny piece of salmon went on for weeks and we couldn't find it. And we were putting bleach everywhere. So if there's dead bodies everywhere, it would absolutely just hum. Yeah, London with them. Yeah. So the church scene is very effective.

And then he meets up with a guy that I think used to be an Emma Dale and, um, money, Miss money penny. Mm hmm. And they introduced to him and they're just like annoying knobs. They don't show him any kind of like compassion, kindness or compassion. He's just woken up like after a month or something. Um, and it's whole world's changed. And they're just like getting the shop and eat some malteasers. A couple of quick things.

I think number one is interesting that they introduced those guys and you think that one of them, this is going to be your triumphant. Does it work? They do do a very good job of making you think that Naomi Harris and the other guy are going to be the other two main characters. Yes. So when he's killed off, that's quite surprising. That's very effective. Like Janet Lee and Cygo, yeah, it works. What happened to him after that, leaves? Because I'm sure he was in Emma Dale for a bit.

Do we know what the name is? Oh, fuck, Emma. Oh, look. And so what? Um, yes, he was in, he was in, um, Emma Dale. Emma Dale. He was Luke McAllister. Yeah. And Emma Dale, he was also the older Peter in the Chronicles of Narnia, like Richard of All-Drew. Whoa. He was in, he was in, whole beef of 39 episodes. Oh, no way. Right. Yeah. So I never seen, I didn't watch that. So he's done more things. Yeah. So just a fine scene.

Yeah. Yeah. So while I should just point out a couple of other things from my, my nights at the time, is that first of all, when he's, uh, so he's running away from the zombie hordes when he say by Naomi Harris and the guy from Emma Dale, uh, and what he's running away from, I noticed there was a post-referent background for Spear Mint Rhino, which is, uh, uh, Spear Mint Rhino was off the time. That's no more. That's, uh, that's, that's gone.

Um, also as well, when he came out of the hospital, when he was coming out of the hospital, lovely tango machine. Yeah. And that, that, that, that may be very nostal, because, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Definitely going. A Pepsi sponsored film. It absolutely was. Yeah. Um, but there's a few monologues that are a bit like, feel a bit shoehorned in, that are a bit, that are basically about like, how fragile society is. Yes. Um, and that was scarlet. Yes. It always goes to me the wheelie.

And, but I thought in this film, it was particularly preachy. And maybe it was down to the act in, which is quite a fee in place. It was. Especially the young girl. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely terrible. Yeah. So there's a bit where they go to his house and they look for his pair and that's very affecting. Yeah. That was horrible. Yes. Yes. So they hide down in the now very cinematic Canary Wolf tube, which a fellow Star Wars fans.

Yeah. That's also the location that you, that the aforementioned carathead was used for the inside of the scarif base in Rogue One. Yeah. Oh, no way. Yeah. So any film fans, Canary Wolf tube is where it's at these days. So we find out that they're hiding out in Canary Wolf tube. And we get, uh, Killian Murphy gets filled in as John was just saying, there's a couple of monologues. One explains what's happened over the last month.

Yeah. The other one, the guy from Emmerdale basically says to him, you know, we tried to get out of the country until, you know, tells this quite terrifyingly. Yes. Sounds a bit. Yeah. And how he lost his family and the whole, I didn't know who, who the infected were and who was just fighting to survive. Yeah. When he was talking about like, he realized the ground was soft and he realized he was walking on people. Yeah. That was very effective.

And they then say to him, look, if you, and he says, I have to go and try and find my parents and they just say, look, forget it. And they say, look, anyone, and I thought the line that was quite good. He says anyone who goes doesn't come back. And, you know, if you, if you get caught, you're done for. Yeah. And he says, he's absolutely sort of hell bent and they agree that they're going to go with him. He goes to once again, what are the touch those this podcast?

Last scene on quite some, the, the Quake Vance, the one that comes back from space. Yeah, Quake Vance experiment. Depth, that Jim's parents live in Depth, where is South London for the win? So we turn up and that's just, yeah, but when he turns up, we find out that I said it very affecting scene. We find out that Jim's parents have admitted suicide. They say to him, look, at least they went out calmly. Nice. Yes. You know, they've not been torn apart or anything like this.

Yeah. Jim is it and they kind of leave him a note saying, you were asleep. We, you know, please don't wake up. Yeah, please, please don't wake up. Yeah. I was going to shit. And they're a bit of where the money spent there, don't you? Because there's two quite good dead, yes, models. Absolutely. They're not actors looking dead. They're kind of, I don't know what you call a mannequins or life figures.

So that's where, because I did think eight million pounds for this film, like, where did they spend the money until you get to the bit with Christopher Eccleston? It doesn't look very expensive. No, not so. Yeah, I think money just goes really quickly when you're making a film. It does, but it's one man wandering round, you know, it's not like 300 extras or 100 will the beast, you know, majestically across the plane. Is it?

So that's very effective and that's a very good scene and that's a well written scene in. I think with any film like this, you can expect to see a few scenes like that where they kind of write themselves. And they're very effective because everyone can identify with that sentiment. Unfortunately, I think this film runs out of those. Yeah, I think it's quite quickly. Well, we get to it, but as soon as they get to the soldiers, it changes what the film is. It's just the load of shit.

Yeah, but I've had a dream before. I've had a dream before where something, something bad happened. I don't know what it is, but I'm away from the family. And it's one of those things. It's like, do I stay where I am so that they know where I am and they come to me? Or do I go to them? And it's that whole kind of like, I can't, you can't. Yeah, that's what I try and get to my parents or do I say that I use that? Yes. I think the communication has all went down. Everyone's phone stopped working.

What do I do? Yes. My dreams like that are either floods. I look out of the window and I see an oncoming flood, which is horrific and just horrible. Or mushroom clouds because I'm an 80s child. I had a mushroom cloud dream literally about two nights ago. And it's like, fuck, I'd like, it's 2020. It's all right. It's present to you too. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, horrendous. So there's a bit where there is sleep then in that house. And I've, I've written I wouldn't go to sleep ever.

And I want to sleep in this house and we're stink to my pewdiepie parents. Yeah, parents. And then he's wandering around and we see like a projection or something. But is it memories? I felt that was totally unnecessary. That bit. Yeah, but you don't need to say, okay, you need to know what this likes have a parent. So that's what you can do. So you can feel his is lost. No, you get it. Yes. Yes. Yes, of course. And at that point, you just think it was saying there's no power.

There's no nothing. But then it looks like he's like knocked on the VCR or something. Or like the super eight project and it's like that doesn't really work very well. And I watched it a couple of times thinking if I miss something or. But he does have a light out there, doesn't he? I think that's what I said. Well, track sea. Well, what we we're doing. I've later on we find out and they say on the contrary, it's sound. Right. Yeah, it's supposed to be.

They hear sounds and it sounds that they respond to. Like Ross. Right. Right. So it seems to be like in this case, because it's a sort of snaps out of his reverie by the two of the neighbors. One comes through the back window, which is fine. The other one comes down through like the skylight. Yes. What? And why they. We're ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's both running. One of them wouldn't think I'm going to climb up there and jump through a. As exact same time. But we didn't jump.

Yeah. But then yeah, that's someone gets quite a good jump scare isn't it? Yeah. And then the guy from her medial has a wound in his arm. Yes. Oh, my God. Don't do it. And then this money penny hacks into death. For mass and the shirt. Yeah. And you're like, oh, this is like this is quite a good kind of. But if you can get infected by it, the smallest drop of blood going. Well, this is we go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You wouldn't have a hunting weapon, would you?

No. As we see later in the film, you can get infected by one drop of blood going in your eye. Like so at this point, they're covered in blood, aren't they? Yeah. Correct. Yes. Absolutely. All of the mouths. And there's quite a few sequences where there's just blood to all of us. Yes. Exactly, John. There's two things to play here. Number one is that it's quite clear that they never really thought out the rules. No. How infection was going to work at all.

Yes. It's then all over the show for the rest of the film. As you said, one drop does for blend it for our Brendan Gleason. Yes. But then, as John says, all the way through the rest of the film, there's points when people, there's blood splatter everywhere. Where the soldiers are blown up people. Exactly. People are just falling all over the world. And they're laughing. Yeah. It's like, I should be covered in this. But now we've got to depend on. We don't have our face masks on.

We don't have our gloves on. She says at that point, have you been bitten, which is more zombie kind of? Law, isn't it? Yes. But I do think that this bit is silly. If you've seen the film already, which we all obviously have. Yeah. Because she's just like for fuck's sake later on. Like, it's nonsensical. So anyway, we lose one of our leads in the kind of psycho fashion of Janet Lee is gone in the first real. So that's a bit of a surprise.

And then, and the next shot then really reminds me of with Neil and I. It's kind of like a London skyline, which is like trellic tower or something. And I say, oh, it's like. It's a bit like the bit where they drive in the map to jag to the cottage scrubbers. Yeah. And at this point, I just think accident black spot accident. These are accidents. They're throwing themselves. Throwing themselves. Throwing them. Throwing them into the road, darling.

So this point, I've said, why don't they just travel in a car? They're walking through all these different bits of London. Railway lines and stuff. Why would you walk somewhere when you know all these fucking loonies around? Do they just run out at any point? And those lights might still be electrified. They don't get don't walk on the right road. Yeah. And then do they see is this the bit then when they see the light in the tower? Yeah, see the lights on the tower.

So I have read something and I can't remember what it is, but that is lifted from something else. Where it might be a not a book I read in school where all old people die. What was that? I can't see where I don't Christopher. I can't remember. And two kids go to a tower like that. And they find out it's a recording and the person that was either flashing the light or doing the recording is already dead. And that's it.

And that's a very there's always a trope like that in these films isn't there where where you finally get to the place when you get there. The person is already dead and that's very much like survivors, termination survivors are all you know. So they get to this tower and then Brendan Gleason's there with his awful accent and his terrible daughter. A couple of things before we just get get to that. So they're in the tower and they are pursued by the zombies, even though they're not so.

The infected whatever you want to say and the lift is broken as usual. Of course Brendan Gleason does a really good job. You know, he has thought this all. Yes. Yes. For right gear, right shields. Yes. Was you never see again such as that? No. But I did point that like as they're running up the stairs, it's sorry Danny Boyle. It's dreadfully shot. Oh, yeah. You can't see what the whole film is dreadfully shot. It's just how we shoot stuff.

When I watched Slum Dog Millionaire, it's just hand held. It's all handheld. It's all like. Yeah. It's all shot from Dutch angles from the floor looking up. When people move, the camera moves with them. And it's just yeah. I know it's trying to get this is a trying to get a bit of a dynamism. Yeah, a kinetic energy going on there. It's when you don't even know what you're putting your show in me at this point.

And it's it makes me feel like when we tried to make a short film as artists, we tried to put the camera in the weirdest place we possibly could a whole time. Yeah. And it's just like just just shoot it. Yeah, I know we were talking the other day about like having boring cameras set up to now a day. But the pace is empty. We still need to see what's actually happening. Yes. Yeah. Otherwise, what's the point of setting it up?

Yes. Yeah, that bit doesn't make any sense at all until they get to the top of the stairs. Brendan Gleason is there with his riot shield. But also, how many stairs, how many flights up the trick and they went? I know. Considering as many as in Ghostbusters when they try and get to the top. Yeah, yeah. Was all it. So he hasn't eaten anything for 28 years. Yeah. Apart from some more teasers and he managed to run at the top of those stairs. He's getting knackered.

Yeah. Yes. So, anyway, this should really be the end of the film because we should go into that flat. I mean, like, okay, we're just going to stay here because these guys, these people are nice. We can go get food. I think they kind of implied there's no water. That is the big thing. So we can get through this bit or the worst bit pretty speedily. In short, so we meet Brendan Gleason, his daughter, the mother is dead. They are the only survivors left in this block of flats.

As you see, there has been, even though it's rainy old England, there hasn't been any rain for like 15 days. Or something like that. And the pretty good shot, isn't it, of all the buckets on the roof. That's an iconic shot. But a block of flats like that would have a massive water tank in it somewhere. Yes. And it would be, yeah, but it would be gravity fed. It would be at the top of the building, I'm sure. You turn on the tap and then you just boil the water somewhere.

Yeah, also there's a pick and spring nearby, isn't there? So it's not like London is lacking in water. They then also hear that there is this recurring rain. Oh, yes, he's got a winding radio, isn't it? Yeah, saying Trevor Bayless. Trevor Bayless saying that there is a cure or salvation is here. And it's like it's close to Manchester. And they decide, look, well, we've got to go for it. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to go for it.

They get through the black wall tunnel, makes an appearance, London fans. Yeah, it might get that's a much bigger sequence in my mind. My memory of that was much more scary and intense. That could have been a really good sequence. And it's not as good as it could be. And when they cut away from it at the end, you can tell that the people running after them. I just extras who are not good at that point. Yeah. And it's just like, I got that shot. And they're like, yeah, they gamble along.

How do you drive a London cat that's kept over the top of other cars? With no ramp. Yeah. You just want to do it twice in this movie. A London cab has supernatural cabs. Yes. So they get through that. They then get the first salute to the Romero zombie movies because they go and stock up in a supermarket. And that's that's dawn of the dead. Awesome. Yeah. But I have written in that point, why are all the lights on in the supermarket? It's fully lit.

And supermarket without lights on a really, probably really dark places because they've only got windows at one end. Yeah. But we want to have a computer game where I had to go into a supermarket in the dark. I can't remember what it was. And it wasn't the Jimmy Savo supermarket computer game. What are you talking about? Have you had a show? Someone asked you to fix it to help him design a computer game.

And they made a Jimmy Savo computer game for the spectrum where it was Jimmy Savo doing a, a, like a trolley, trolley dash. Yeah. It's got a picture of him on the front, not pushing the trolley. This feels like this is a fever dream Ross. I don't think this will be. Yeah. That would be in the show notes. Yeah. I put it this point, why did they pick a, a knack an old taxi? He's actually nice. Right.

But they, you could have just picked a nice solid car, not something that sounded like it was going to break down at any minute. There's infection dialogue. So basically they, they get to, they do a couple of things. Don't they wear, they, they're character building, they go to the supermarket. Then they park up by some ruins somewhere and they have a bit of character building. And then they basically end up at the road block, which is meant to be on the M6 somewhere.

And they get out and they have a wander round and then Brendan Gleason is annoyed because there's no one there. And then he kicks a door or something. And then as is a forementioned, he gets a drip of blood in his dry. And he goes loopy and he's got the rage. And he's like, yeah, get away from the big. And then, and then some soldiers shoot him. And then soldiers pop up and shoot him. And you're like, oh, okay. And this is where the film loses its.

At this moment, you, you guys may be interested to hear that on the DVD, they said, then this isn't from that point on. From Brendan Gleason getting infected onwards. That is not the original script. Oh, okay. Interesting. I will very happily now provide you with the, the pre-seat of what happens. Please do, James. Thank you. There's no, no soldiers in it whatsoever. Oh, that's, that's a second draft later edition. Yeah. Brendan Gleason gets infected. Jim can't kill him and refuses to kill it.

They managed to subdue him and put a bag over his head. And, and like, he's sort of riding around. They say, look, they, they must have been protecting whatever the secret was, whatever the curers, it must be here. And they're at the, the animal lab from the opening sequence. Right. They go in there and they have a look around. Oh, chaos, all the rest of it. David Schneider's the, David Schneider's there. And they decide that they're going to hold up there.

Later on that evening, they hear some movement about and they go down into the basement, only to find that there is a scientist still alive behind a door. And this guy says, like, don't even tell me your names. They're like, where are the soldiers? And he's like, they're all dead. They're dead. Everyone's dead. You're going to be dead soon. And they're like, I haven't got any food to share with you and you know, just get away from me.

And they're like, we've got to, you know, we, we want to help. So it's like a nice guy. Yeah. Well, and his whole thing is, you know, he's just locked away. And he's just like, I'm just going to sit here and read my book. He says, and then Jim, the other two carry on. And we see that Miss Money Penny is like doing rifle practice and getting really, really good with the sniper rifle.

Yeah. And then intercuts with Jim talking to him through the door, basically saying, like, if you don't, if you like it or not, I'm going to tell you all about my life. And they're apparently it's like intercuts of him going. And then when I was at school, and then I, my first girlfriend thinks like this, that, you know, the scientist buckles and then says, look, I will tell you what the cure is or what the salvation is. Yeah. But it's difficult. It's problematic.

You can do a full, you can cure a person if you give them a full blood transfusion. That's how that's how you can get the disease out of them. They then get start, they start to get attacked by very zombies and they say like on the storyboards, or they're, you know, that's like the zombie attack. So there was a sequence of bending off the zombie attack. They then find it. When they wake up in the morning, they find out that the scientists has come out and left them loads of transfusion gear.

Or there's a sequence where he comes out and leaves it in the middle of the night and basically says, good luck if you want to do it. I think the scientist is played by Peter Capaldi very possibly like in World War Z. Exactly. And then they Jim says do it. We find out that he's got a compatible blood with Brendan Gleason. Do the transfusion do it. As War Zombies are attacking them. They do the transfusion success. Brendan Gleason is cured.

And the film ends with the scientist opening the door to Brendan Gleason, the daughter. And Miss Money Penny, no, Eric Harris. They then he then locks the door and the final shot of the film is Jim now with the infected blood watching all the news on TV. So we've come for so much better. There you go everybody.

Then do you know what they said the problem was they said, shit, the whole and as we were just talking about early with the blood splatter thing, they were like a full full blood transfusion. It's like if you've established that one drop of blood can turn someone you would literally have to hollow a person out. Yeah. And they were like, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. So they totally painted themselves into a point. We could have just like completely diluted it.

Well, whatever, but still you can see how much shit this doesn't work. So then the bringing the army and you guys, I think you guys have already said it. That for me is what then watching it again now all these years later is what doesn't work. It was like you've got this quite well worked out first two thirds of a film. Works. And then the final third just feels like we've got to do something.

It does feel like it does feel like if it was a TV series, they'll just be an episode where they meet the soldiers. Yes, they would go through that kill the soldiers and they'd move on or away from the soldiers. Or like this all just would be like a recurring enemy which would keep coming back. Yes. It's a straight away I just question, are they even real? Are they even meant to be real soldiers?

So last people, if I was in a situation where this was happening, the last people would be hang around with, would be a load of young. Especially if I had to add my daughter's a rate or what? You know what? That is the one about it is that the dinner party scene in a birthday promise which Danny Boyle says he was inspired by the apocalypse now when they get when they find that sort of friendship. Not the end of a carry on the car. Maybe that's true.

But there is a really weird vibe when you're watching it, you're like, you would just want to get the fuck out of that. And I thought, oh, he does do a good job of making it like all these people are ourselves. Yes. You don't want to be near any of them and it doesn't they're all just in some ways. Yes, but it's such a Cosmic if that's a word. Cosmic change from the rest of the film in tone and feel.

You also now see where they spent some of the money but also it still looks really flimsy because there's only about nine soldiers. Yes. And so it just looks like they're in this house. It's not lit very well. And the lightning at the end just looks like someone's flashing a light through a window at them. And it just starts to become really unconvincing. Christopher Eccles, Christopher Eccles, is introduced. His accent is terrible. Do you think it's because we know what he sounds like?

Yes. Yeah, because I'm sorry. But he's also not convincing in a posh voice. It's just he just doesn't come across convincing at all. And then he does come across as an absolute creeper when he's like touching that. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you'd be like, I'm not staying here. No. So I said the army bit is bunk expensive but shit. And that really for me sums it up. And what it becomes at this point is the monster is us kind of non-sense. Correct.

Which always annoys me in films like this because that I think that's quite lazy now that it's like. Oh, there's nothing worse than human nature. Who's got rage really? You're running away from the monsters but then the monsters are actually us. But they don't really make it very clear at this point. If there's any kind of army structure there, if they're actually even real soldiers, if they're just people dressed up as you know, just. And there's potentially something more interesting in that.

But they don't go there because we're already like two thirds of the way through the film. There's a bit where Kiliumerf is taken off to be killed with this because he refused to join in with their block. Does you find out that there is no cure in this version of the story? That he's just trying to attract women there. Yes. But the men because he says to rebuild society. Yes. Because there's horrible rapier overtones to it all. There is.

But this is also really unconvincing like literally four weeks after society has broken down. And also they wait around for ages to do it. It's like, well, if you're going to do it, just do it now. You don't need to. It's a case of like, why are they waiting for? I'm not like I want them to do it. But it's just a case of like, it's just, it's just a whole. They brought women here here to in order to have sex with them. But then I go, now you need to get dressed up.

Now you need to wait till this person comes back and it's like, right? It's a horrible threat. But I think it's just really badly thought through. And then there's a bit where. So you kill your Murphy and another soldier man is taken off the nice face. The nice one. Yeah. The nice one. Where all the, but there's loads of dead bodies there. That's where they've been clearing the bodies off the ground where they've got that thing where they. Right.

I thought that was people that they had already killed and they put maybe some of that too. So I, so I, at this point, it was just like, I have no idea what's going on. So the other nice soldier man is shot by accident. Killian Murphy runs off. He sees a plane. Thus establishing that the world has not ended. And then, and then from there on, I think the film goes really quite. Yes. I'm going to say that I'd written a script before I watch it.

And when I saw that plane flying over there and I said, they spent that money on that. Right. A 737 going to Lancerotti or something. I asked down a film to say, so you just filmed it in his back garden. Just like the shot one going over it. So then at that point, it becomes a bit like predator where Killian Murphy strips off and becomes like a killing machine. Arnie, yeah.

But it's a somewhat, so are you meant to think he might be infected at this point because at the end, it's almost like it's meant to be like a reveal that he is. He's not been affected. Was it a fact that the characters in the film think he might be infected? It would have been more effective if you did think he was infected. But at no point did I think he was infected. Right. So I was a short man. I think what I was meant to think.

No. And it's just, yeah, it's just not very, it's just not put across very. But he has managed to take out a part, supposedly like five or six fully trained soldiers. Yeah. With weapons and he's got nothing. Yes. Right. And he's a bicycle courier from Deppin. I've got a couple of things here. First of all, the sergeant who they kill off. Again, as Ross was saying, like, if this was a TV series, he would be, it's like, no one is too nice to be with those guys.

And they kind of brush that through very quickly. But also he gets two of the best kind of Alex Garlandy bits, which is the guy that suggests that we've been quarantined. That's what they've done to us. We're the quarantine item. And it's like, oh, that's a really interesting idea. And then later on, when Eiffelso goes, we'll get everything back to normal. And he goes, maybe this is normal. The human beings have only been around for a little while.

And us being wiped out, that's nature resetting. We go, but that's a great idea. But again, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That idea's done now. Yeah. So the two best ideas for me, he gets them the nice soldier. He gets them both that disposed with really, really quickly. And then he goes, he must be killed. Yeah. Because he's too nice. I was like, oh, that's really both of those bits, James. Because they're fast forward all of that exposition.

Because the dialogue in this film, there's something about it that means it's, he comes across as really quite still to them, quite dry and mooring. Yeah, it just fills up people acting. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's what Simon might have meant by when we came out of the cinema back in 2002, he could have stayed in and watched casualty. There are aspects of this where you do think of the acting is on a bit soapy. And a bit stunted. The daughter of Brendan Gleason particularly is hopeless.

Yeah. A lot of the soldiers are hopeless. And they caught on the accents and just like Dick Van Dyke kind of identicate. Like, why are all soldiers from London or Cockney kind of, yeah, what the fuck are you going to do now, mate? And it's like, oh, fuck. It's terrible. Yeah. And then, John, as you said, what doesn't really chime? Is number one, they're going for the whole, oh, are Killian Murphy? Oh, is he infected? And, oh, look, is he as bad as those people?

But also, as you said, he is someone who's a bike carrier. And yes, you can say, look, when people are under duress and he really wants to save Naomi Harris and the girl. But what he does is just bonkers. He's never fired away before it is life. No, no, no, no. They'll be fine. It's just not a fan at all. And then as this is obvious like running through and taking out the other soldiers, it keeps cutting to Killian Murphy, like looking in, going like, he's really pleased. He's like, yes.

Yes. And that's a real mature. And he sends it all. And I think that was very, very strange. And then the really horrible soldier, he obviously gets his come up with his last before this represent. And he has his eyes put. But he's not. Oh, yeah, I was going to get the last. Which is, and again, the whole is like, oh, has he gone rage? He was just humanities anger. And then that scene is totally at odds to the entire rest of the film. Because it's so needlessly gruesome and horrible.

Because then he gets up. She realizes that he's fine. And then they have a big snog. It's like, again, kissing all the blood all over his face. Oh, yeah, they're covered in blood. And it's like, would you kiss someone who's just gouged someone's eyes? Yeah, they might be a twat. But you've just watched someone be killed by having their thumbs put through that size. Yeah. Do you find that romantic? Got me wrong, Nick. Yeah, I was just like, this is fucking me. That was so.

And that's the whole buildup we haven't mentioned it so far. But earlier, no, Harris had gone, you know, I'm a survivor. And that's how I kept going. And if I see someone who I think they've turned, I won't hesitate for seconds to kill them. But she's in the whole point. She does hesitate. That's proving that, oh, you know, maybe she loves killing murder and all the rest of it. But yeah, watching it again, like the time you said it was a young, yeah. Yeah. The bronzer to zombie interface.

Like watching it as a more Callow you, they're remember like, oh, but now watching it was something really controlled. It's horrible. It's horrible. And how they kill Chris Rekas and it's also like the girl, she, she, the girl versus the taxi into a bit. It just, just so happens as zombies standing there, smashing through window, pulling them out through the back. But you don't seem killed just in case you want to bring them back for a later film. No, I don't think they thought that.

But I did, I found it a bit like, well, I think she could just, I don't know what. But still, you know, having established again earlier that she could drive the taxi. Yes, that, you know, that's like the check-offs gun there, wasn't it? And then yeah, as previously mentioned, they then break out from the military base, the original cut of the film. You get shot.

He gets shot, but then we get this nice, or you know, kind of echo of the start, where he then wakes up 28 days later, and he's up in Scotland. Yeah. And we get the quite famous now. I said, we've talked about it at the start, shot on film. They flagged down the plane, thus suggesting that, yes, society has survived. Yes. And the soldier was right. We have just been quarantined as an island. The rescue has come at the end.

Well, I think the implication is that they just wait for all the mad people to starve to death. Yes. You see that on the road, don't you see that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there are inherent problems with that. But it's also quite nice stylistically that you do notice the jump to film, which kind of makes a stylistic difference between the point where everyone's infected to the point where people aren't infected anymore. But then as we've said, you see the word hell written on the floor.

Oh, it's time. Which, yeah, which later on turns to hello. But as Clevver and I have written, and maybe James as well, wouldn't you just write hell? Or SOS. Or SOS. Or just like a big ex. A big ex. Yeah. You wouldn't necessarily write up hell as a thing works well in the film. I think that that would have worked really well as a kind of prologue where you just see hell and that scene kind of. And then you come back to flash. Yeah, I think that would have worked a lot better than David Schneider.

Yeah. What a weird film. One of the things you said, John, is that it's not a scary as you remember? I was the same. I remember thinking, this is a scary film. Well, I just remember the tunnel being scary. Yeah, because there's no jumps. Because you saw the jump. We did talk about it. The little kid jumping out. That's good. That was good. That was good. It was silent when he came up. Yes. That was good. I mean, there are scary points in it.

And I do think it's probably the scariest film that we've watched for the podcast, because a lot of the stuff was made in 1972. And it's like a lovely cuddle from old friends. Yeah. You know, even something like Deathline, which in itself is a really macabre and grotesque film. Because it's nostalgic, it's kind of... It's nostalgic. It's all seed-free, so-and-a-head. It was like brim, brim, brim. Yeah, where is this film? There is something unremittingly grim about it.

And when it's finished, I felt really depressed and just like, oh, because it is like, even though it's finished on a kind of high note, you just think, fuck, that is a miserable film. That's it. It's interesting, John, because on the commentary, Danny Brown says, oh, people said the ending, because Jim was supposed to die, Richard. Oh, did Hollywood, once Hollywood picked it up, did Hollywood lean on you, did studios lean on you to give it a happier ending.

And he just said, nah, and he says, to be perfectly honest, when I watched it cut and all put together, I thought this is really dark and draining film. And people need something upbeat at the end. So, and I think you're saying, but I don't think even that ending is very upbeat, because it's just like... They may be. You don't see normality returned to you. You just see like... I think that we've gone through, like we said, a lot of stuff, which this film, it's all skirts around.

And it actually makes it a little, comes a little bit closer to home, maybe. Well, yeah, you don't run, you know, we haven't been running away from screaming abdabs, but Helen, I went for a walk yesterday, and we went up to, on the hill behind the house, and I recalled in lockdown, when I was up there on my own, and I looked across and I could see four people who'd obviously come out of their house to meet in the depths of lockdown.

And it was four people, and it was really far apart all with masks on. And I did remember that point of lockdown, and the start of COVID, when everyone was like, no one knew what the fuck was happening. And I was like disinfecting, disinfecting, shopping, from co-op. Like washing packs of bacon and fucking bleach and stuff, because we were like, no one knew how it was transmitted at that point.

I can remember like going into town, and like outside the bank, there were chairs of four meters apart down the road. You would be going there and you'd have to sit on this chair, then you would have to disinfect it after you sat on it. And it was, it just felt like, I was thinking, similar thing would be in queue. And I just remember how weird it was that we all had to queue to go into supermarkets, and they'd only let so many of you in there at a time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I remember the same room, some louted going to be in queue. I drove to the one in port just because I wanted to go for a drive, and there was some people on motorbikes just going like 150 miles an hour, just down the dual carriage, there was no car set, and then police cars like coming down and just chasing them off. But it was just me. Just me, but I'm not police car. Yeah, it was. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, yeah, well, so what are you going to give it guys? Oh, I've given it a two.

I gave it a two because even though I realized, you know, what's the last one we watched? Cool. Or it was the night something around it. Only the night. Only the night. I gave you, but I gave that three because it's Curio Factor, and I do just feel that like people will be really, really familiar with 28 days later. And I do feel that number one said, it's not very well shot. Not all shooting it on video thing has aged it massively. And yeah, and I do feel like things like walking dead.

This feels really light compared to that because like, you, yeah, it's like a, almost like a sketch of an idea. Exactly. It's kind of, and I think that's that's very much it. And so, but what I did enjoy because I'm a massive Alex Garland superfan. It's nice to see kind of like the early stages. Is it even a John thinks it's a bit kind of clunky and expositioning and actory?

I like seeing you can see like Alex Garland start to stretch his legs with some of the philosophical ideas because he's teamed philosophy like me. So you only need to watch X, X Mac enough for that. But yeah, so there were bits that I enjoyed. I'm like, oh, that's an interesting idea. And yeah, that, you know, that still works. So on and so on. The iconic opening and things like that. Well, I say opening, not the David Schneider bit, the bit round London.

That's still worth watching and what's, but still I was a bit like about it. I was like, I can take it or leave it. So for me, it's a two brilliant. I go it too as well. I just can't stand any boils. Weird. No framing of shots and like, phonetic cutting stuff. I don't know what's happening. And yeah, it was on such a low grade digital camera. You're like, this is just gray brown. Shit. You hope basically.

Yeah. I think the opening sequences set you up for something which then it isn't ultimately isn't delivered. I think the other things have done it better. So the Spanish film called Wreck. Yes. Love it. Love it. Which is really scary. And that is phone footage and that zombies and that's set in a, like a partner building. Yeah. Wreck. That's Barcelona isn't it? Yeah, I think I've seen wreck too as well. So that's very good.

This fits in with a British kind of pantheon which is the triphids and stuff like that. But I think the first half is good. But then I think the James, I think the film that James described earlier would have read a lot better than this film because the bit with the soldiers just derailed it and you just like, it goes nowhere then. It's really, it's a very strange film. I think the decision to, you could reshoot this now on iPhone's and make pan footage and stuff.

And it would be a lot more interesting and dynamic. I don't know why they shot it on video because it's not part of the narrative is it? It's just like. It's just, yes. Well, yeah, I think it was cheap, but it obviously wasn't cheap because it cost 8 million pounds, which is like when you look at the setup of the bit with the army with the big house and all the fences and stuff, you can see where they spent the money. But you just think that doesn't add anything to the storyline.

If you've got good performers and a solid story, all you need, it doesn't matter if it was shot on that shit quality then because you'd be engrossed. But you're not really engrossed at any point are you after, after they leave London, it just becomes like, quite by numbers. I can remember being great at the, I really loved it at the same time. I think on a big screen, it would probably, but I think watching it on a tiny little time.

And also I think zombie films are an old, old hat back then, whereas it's like you said, this re-kick rekindled the whole zombie genre and we just see so much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you want to watch the zombie film, watch one cut of the dead. It's really, really good. The green film. I won't be watching that. You've got to watch it, because first time, first 10 minutes, you think this is absolutely shit, why is anyone recommending this? But then the shitness of it is part of the film.

We were going to watch something called Train to Sam. Who Sam? Yeah. And then, because I saw things saying it was on Netflix and then it wasn't on Netflix. So we haven't watched that. So I think it's difficult because for the start of it, it's like a two, but for the last third, it's like a minus 14. There are one then. I think the last third is some of the worst dross that we've watched for this podcast. Because you say there were parts of it worse than the hell, than hell razor, John.

Yes. Wow. I think the bits where they're in the dresser is, and the someone I can basically see, because I've worked on a TV production. And I think anyone that's worked on a TV production, you can just see the guy outside who's flashing the fucking light to make it look like like it. And it just looks so shit. It looks like a really, it looks like an A level video for like your mates band. So yeah, might as the first two thirds is a two. The last third is minus 14.

So what should I give it then? Is that overall minus 12? Yeah. Yeah. You gave that less than the rats. You gave the rats a minus 10. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. 100%. I probably enjoyed the rats more than this by the end of it because American way off minus eight. And you gave Legend of the Seven Golden Vampires minus nine. That's got Peter Cushin in it though. There we go.

So yeah, this is minus 12. To be honest, I think something like Shdorn of the Dead does everything this film does, but much better. And that's a comedy. Because it's set that the scenes which are tragic and sad in this comedic way. And you just, I mean, that also goes a bit, I think the scene at the end in the pub is a bit shit. But I think that film is probably more enjoyable than this film. I like to watch 20 weeks later now.

I can remember the Robert Carlar running across the field, but I can't remember anything else about it. All I remember with Shdorn of the Dead is they make a joke about the second coming, Stone Roses, which is the far superior second album. And I just know, wow, any film that makes a joke about the Stone Roses second coming, I know where they're coming from. Because that is a superb album, superb album. Let's leave it there, shall we? Next time, please.

We're doing a double bill of Nigel Niel's beast. We're going to revisit the beast. We? So we need to pick which two episodes we're going to watch. So these are the ones that we've got to pick between. I want to do the dolphin one. Flip it. No, we're not. So we've got a pit between special offer, Mr. It Teenage, checkout operator has unreliated crush on a supermanager. At the same shop, Cuddly Cartoon mascot seems to come alive and cause a havoc. That's got Pauline Quirk in it. It's terrible.

During Barty's party, a suburban couple are held under siege by Pack of Freight and the Intelligent Rats. That's quite interesting. We've got to watch that. You never see the rats though. Buddy boy. When a nightclub owner buys a derelict dolphinarium here, and a young woman seems to be haunted by the ghost and Buddy boy, the star attraction, I want to watch that one. What big eyes? And our species officer is horrified.

We really discover as a pet shop owner has been conducting experiments on a wall for searching for proof of a like a profit, like a like a profit. Like a trophy. Yeah. I can't even remember. The dummy. I'm not a bad actor. No respect, I believe he's really the movie monster that he's been hired to play. I do know why I've watched all of those and I can't remember half of them. Give me the options again. So it's special offer. It's Pauline Quirk and the policy. Really? No, it's not that one.

Not that one. During Barty's party, the rats one. Yeah. Buddy boy, the dolphin one. What big eyes are a species officer? Who's in the RSBCA? I'm not sure. I'm not like Jesus. What have I got Clive Swift in? We're definitely. Okay, we'll go for the rats one and we'll go for whatever Clive Swift. Okay, I think Clive Swift is the dummy one, the wash up actor, all the, all the all the, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the friends of the show.

Clive Swift. Okay. Okay. Until next time. Happy day, everyone. Next time. I'm always. I love flying. Peace. You have been listening to the General Witch Finders. Support the show and continue the conversation at patreon.com forward slash general witch finders. Subscribe and spread the word at genwitchfinders.com. Very well. You don't have nightmares. Hi, it's Ross from the General Witch Finders. Did you know that I also do another podcast with my friend David? Hello. Hello, I had fun with her.

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