- Hey there. Welcome to Geek This. My name's Dave Clements and we're gonna be talking a lot about Marvel today. And by we, I mean myself and David Hunt. - Hello. Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode. That's right. We're still doing it. Yeah. - It's a full on Marvel episode. Not that the last several episodes haven't been Marvel related, but this is specifically MCU related. We're gonna cover the last half of Loki season two.
Gonna give our thoughts on the Marvels and I believe are going to touch on the recently released What if season two trailer sound right? - Yeah. We got a, a whole lot of Marvel stuff going on with like, what's possibly going on in the future. Um, what possibly isn't going on in the future anymore. - Yep. - Yeah. Lot, lots of lots of news and releases, but then like after, after this week, I, um, I think we're gonna be out of the MCU for a little while.
- Yeah, that'll be nice because - The, uh, the next movie released now isn't until, uh, Deadpool three. That's not until next summer. - It'll give us time to talk about some other things. So if you have anything that you want us to talk about, go over to geek this podcast.com. Leave a comment under this episode post or follow us on social media. - What else? Have you been geeking or are you looking forward to Dave? - I have been watching a lot of YouTube, as always.
'cause I watch it when I work. I've been watching a channel called Winda Goon. And, uh, he, it's not really video essays, it's more commentary about, well, I talked about it before, um, like icebergs, like internet icebergs and things like that. But that has led me to watching a lot of analog horror on YouTube. Uh, y'all have to just look it up. Uh, it's not always family friendly. Actually, 99.9% of the time it's not family friendly. It's pretty dark, pretty creepy.
Uh, I don't know, it's just a weird little fascination I have right now. But, uh, it's pop culture. It's, it's relative, but like, I guess a, a good way to put it is it's like creepy pasta, but video form. - Huh. - What about you? - So, a lot of the shows that I was watching are, are ending. Um, were over, you know, so, uh, gen V ended and Loki ended. So Invincible season two just started up. - I saw that. - Did you watch the first season?
- I did, yeah. - The second episode just came out as, as we're recording this, I'm enjoying it. So I, there's more multiverse stuff in it, which some people are like kind of poking at like, oh, don't we have enough multiverse stuff right now? And Robert Kirkman is like, dudes like, I wrote this forever ago. I was doing multiverse before it was cool. So I like, I'm adapting my own story. - Right? Yeah. - So like, don't gimme a hard time about it. .
- . Yeah. Just the timing of things is weird. Yeah. I haven't started season two yet - So far. It's pretty good. I think it's the only ongoing show that I'm watching right now. - Yeah. I need to get on more ongoing shows specifically for the show, because you guys can only listen to my YouTube viewing habits for so long, because they tend to go on repeat for weeks at a time, .
But as always, make sure you give us your, your comments, um, about what we should cover, things that you're interested in, things that maybe we don't know about because we're pretty heavily wrapped up into comic book movies. - Yeah. We, we want to hear what are you geeking like? Uh, all things. Um, and what are you eating? We have a, a TikTok channel. We - Do, yeah. We'll link to it for sure.
- Dave started it up for us 'cause we had talked about making one and, um, we're going to start a, a series over there called, uh, geek This Eats This where we talk about different things that we're trying. I I want to, you know, whenever like a fast food place comes out with a new product, I want to make like, quick reviews of it because I, I've always been interested in trying new things. Um, Mm-Hmm. have a pretty wide palette.
So I, I like to try new things and don't, like my wife is the complete opposite where she, like, every time we go somewhere, she orders the, almost the exact same thing. every time, you know, is exactly what she likes on the menu. She's like, well, if I, if I know I like it, why, why go away from it? It's like, oh, I, I understand that's, but, - Or, you know, it could be like my wife where I talk her into getting the new thing.
She gets the new thing, she loves the new thing, and then they take it away from her. . . Yeah. Let's jump into what might actually be my favorite thing that we talk about this episode, which is the last half of Loki season two, which wow. Uh, were you, uh, let's start here. How do you compare the first half to the second half, or vice versa? - Well, it's, it's hard to compare them by halves, um, , but I, I really enjoyed it, um, for what it was.
The longer I sit on it though, like the more I start like picking things apart, which is just a problem I have in general, , um, is like, like, like for instance, when I saw, um, you know, the, the Star Wars sequels movies, I remember like every single one of them, I remember walking outta the theater and being like, oh, I love that movie. That movie was great. And then after sitting on, after like a week, I'm like, oh, may maybe it wasn't so great.
. You know, you get that instant gratification from watching something. Um, you know, it's kinda, kinda like what I presume, I've never done drugs, but what I, what I assume a drug is like, where you get that like hit and then Yeah. - And you get that dopamine rush and you're still Right. You don't realize how bad it probably was. Right. , you don't see all the flaws.
- And I'm not right, I'm not saying that that Loki was bad in general, I'm just saying like, that's the pattern I see myself getting into where I, I really like something at first and then then really start looking at, well, maybe they could have done this differently. Maybe this could have been differently. But overall, uh, especially compared to some of the more recent MCU products we've gotten, I thought Loki did a great job.
- You know, when we covered part one, the first half, uh, there was, you, you had mentioned that like, how, how are they gonna finish this season? We were halfway through and not a lot had really been done. Um, and I think what I said was, they're gonna truck through it and it'll be something we don't expect. So. - Well, you nailed that one, Dave. - I did. I did. It was so, so broad.
Uh, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna take that point and I, I mean, before we started actually recording, I had mentioned, I don't really remember episode four, but I remembered the end of episode five and obviously episode six, because I think those were probably the two most impactful episodes episode of the entire season. But I don't think we could have had those two episodes without at least a couple of the others.
- Yeah. Ford Wa Ford was really like a buildup episode to get us to, or, or five and six really, you know, wrap up the whole thing with four though, like we, you know, you have sort of the, the end of the whole like, uh, rinse layer missed minutes portion of the plot. Mm-Hmm. , you know, they, they really wrap that up, which honestly like, one of the biggest flaws I feel like from the show is there is too much going on for six episode season. Yeah. I'll say the same thing with the Marvels.
It really feels like they've rushed through a lot, you know, a lot of like yada ying Yeah. Where some things could have been, you know, stretched out with more plot and actual character development. - When you look specifically at episode four for this season of Loki, I think that that's maybe one of my biggest gripes is I think Ren Slayer and Miss Minutes are interesting characters, but their interactions felt very shoehorned to me.
Mm-Hmm. Uh, especially Ren Slayer, it felt like, okay, we have to kind of push her, her character arc, or not even a character arc her story further because we're gonna bring her back in a future thing. And for a long time, and we've talked about this a bunch, but for a long time I think that that was okay. I was fine with, oh, go ahead. Introduce characters that I'm gonna meet later.
But especially in such a short season, I don't feel like they did Rinn Slayer Justice and now we have to wait for her to show up wherever she shows up next. - Right. I feel like in, um, season one they were building up Rinn Slayer as this important character.
Right. And then it just because they had this, you know, bigger thing they wanted to do with the time jumping and the, you know, loki's extension of his powers, I really feel like, you know, they put her in there because, well, we had this all set up during season one. Like she has to be a villain, but it just seemed like they wanted to go somewhere else with it. So they're like, okay, well maybe you're not as important as we wanted to make you seem.
- Yeah. And I think that that was the thing, and I feel like you really notice it at the halfway point. Like I said, specifically episode four, you feel like something changed and what could have changed. And we, and I think this is a good place to talk about it, uh, 'cause it kind of leads into the rest of our conversation about Loki. I wonder if the situation with Jonathan Majors played into the shift in the story for Loki.
Because it seems like, and for those that don't know, he's in some, I don't want to say legal trouble 'cause it, it feels like it makes it so much more trivial, but he's been accused of some domestic violence and I think assault and battery, um, he's pled guilty to it. And as of right now, there is no official outcome of that. So most likely Marvel is distancing themselves from him and potentially moving away from the idea of King altogether as just kind of a rumor at this point.
Um, but do you, do you feel that way? Because I felt that way while watching this last half of season two. One, I was surprised to see Victor timely and he who remains as much as we did. But then given where we leave Loki, I feel like it kept things open enough so that they could do whatever they need to do with King to move him out of the picture. - What I understand is that like Loki was done before most of the, like, Jonathan major stuff really started happening.
- Okay. - And really, like, if you look at it as if Loki season two happened before Ant Man quantum mania Mm-Hmm. in that last episode, you know, Loki and he who remains are having that conversation where he, who remains is like, you know, like, if you do this, like all my, my variants are gonna come and, uh, Loki's like, like I don't care. Like I'll, I'll take them out too.
So it really, it felt to me like this is like a precursor to, you know, all the, the variants of Kang actually existing Mm-Hmm. Because by Loki, um, doing what he did and becoming, I, I guess what everyone's calling him is the God of stories, which is some comic book term. Um Right. - I've also heard him just called God Lokey. - Yeah. But with him doing that, he's changing it. So all these different realities can exist. Mm-Hmm.
, there's been more news dropping today about different castings and different possible ways they're gonna go, you know, if they do end up distancing themselves from Kang, if they're gonna go with Dr. Dub and stuff. Mm-Hmm. . So it does, it does look like the future looks different and it kind of stinks for Loki, um, the, the show because I like the show, but now it looks like things that they might have been setting up are just gonna use some sort of backdoor to get away from it.
- And I think that they've set things up so that they can do that. I mean, having a multiverse allows you to do a lot of that stuff because Yeah. You know, instead of rect counting something can be like, oh, well this specifically takes place in this universe, or, you know, whatever. - Or they could even recast Kang. Yeah. It makes it harder when you do see this, the in credit scene at the end of Quantum Mania with the Council of Ks. Right. And they're all Jonathan Majors. Right, - Right, right.
- Yeah. Um, you just have to kind of pretend that that didn't exist, that didn't happen, you know, but, um, that's one of the things that you come up against when you, you know, plan out a cinematic universe years and years ahead of time. Fortunately for them, you know, nothing like this really happens during like the early phases.
Right. But honestly, something was bound to happen eventually to make it so they had to do some recasting or like, the only major recasting we really had in the MCU is War machine. And then, um, Bruce Banner. I think that's, that's it - Was, I mean, that was all in the early enough days where it didn't really matter. - Right. But back to Logie as a show. Yeah. - What did you think of those last two episodes, especially like the end of season five, where we're literally like episode five?
Yeah. What did I say? Did I say season five? You said Season five . Oh - Geez. Season five of what? Dave - . So I'm living in another reality where there where at least 20 seasons of Loki and they were all amazing. No, I met episode five. What did you expect from episode six after watching episode five? - So, um, episode five is honestly one of those parts that I felt like I really, I enjoyed it, but it felt a little edited down, especially, uh, oh, what's the female hunter's name?
The, I don't think she ever actually gets a name. She just has like a Yeah. Not real name. Yeah. Number designation. But you know who I'm talking about. - I keep wanting to call her B 52, but that's not right. Me, - You and I know that's not right. - , - Uh, we'll just call her B 52. Yeah. For, for the fun of it. Um, you know, uh, with, with her character, you know, when, uh, Loki goes to, to her timeline, it's 2012 when, uh, the Chiari Invasion and the Avengers is supposed to be happening.
Right. I felt like there was some missed points there. It, her character overall throughout the season felt very underdeveloped. - Yeah. Like, it, it was like they wanted to do something with her, but they were like, I, I don't know. She needs to be in scenes, but I don't really know where to take her character from. Right. - We don't have enough time to really do a whole lot, so.
Yeah. And I've heard that there was a different version of c uh, of episode five that was drastically different, but that might have led into it a different finale. - Interesting. - And then Marble saw it and nixed it as they have a habit of doing, but I still enjoyed what we got. I thought it was fun that ob in his, you know, real life was like an author, but also a scientist.
Mm-Hmm. . So it, it shows where he's like super smart and, but then it also kind of hints that, okay, he's the one who wrote the, the TBA manual. Yeah. So he's an author there. Mm-Hmm. . But he was like a science fiction author in real life. - I feel like there were some really good things in that episode, but I think it was kind of bittersweet knowing that there's only one episode left, they are not gonna be able to fulfill some of these characters that they've set up.
Right. So it's a little sad , but, um, not a terrible episode. Just a little weird. I think it - Reminded me of like, when we saw each of their individual lives, it made me think of Lost, honestly. Did you ever watch Lost? - Yeah. Not, not all of it, but I do know what you're talking about.
- So they, yeah, they had their like, uh, flashbacks and their flash forwards and flash sideways and stuff where, uh, even though the main part of the episodes are taking place on the island, they showed different aspects of, you know, them off the island. And it sort of felt like a rushed version of that. They wanted to show where all these characters came from, but then they com compacted it all into one episode. You didn't really get a full glimpse into their lives.
- That makes sense. And I think that that's, that's really how I felt like a lot. And you mentioned this last time, we talked about it just a lot of very rushed or incomplete things, and I feel like Loki season two would've benefited from another six episodes. - I think you could have fleshed out a lot of things. I feel bad because like saying all these things makes it sound like I didn't enjoy the season , and I did enjoy it. Overall, - I'm in that same boat.
I did enjoy Loki. I think I enjoyed maybe season one better than season two. So, yeah. I mean, I don't know that I really want to do ratings, but I like having an idea like, what did you think of Loki? Like if we rated it, you know, one to five stars, - I think it is good, but not great. - So you're thinking like a three, - Probably like a three and a half ish. Okay. The last episode by itself might even bump it up to a four because I, I did really enjoy the last episode.
- Yeah. I'd probably sit at about a three and a half out of five. I probably liked it more than I've liked some of the more recent stuff, but you know, that that final episode, uh, is, - Which we have, we barely even talked about in the final episode. Yeah. - That that's true. I feel like, - Let's get into - That. I've pushed this all over the place and it's, it's like, it's, I don't know, out
of order or something. The - That last episode especially, you know, at the end after he's done all the, the time jumping and, and, um, learning about physics and things like that and taking a centuries worth of classes on science - Yeah. - Seeing him realize like, okay, like this, all this responsibility falls on me.
And, um, knowing that this initially was the same Loki that we saw come out of, you know, fighting the Avengers in, in Avengers One and this character development that he's made over these past two seasons. He always wanted the throne. He always wanted to be a king of something. And now he's, he does have a throne. It's just a, a lonely throne at the end of the universe.
- That was one of those moments in this episode where Loki has the conversation with Mobius where Mobius just says, you know, this glorious purpose, it is a burden. I did not expect it to end the way it did. I thought that there would be, I mean, there's still a sacrifice, but I thought he was gonna go out there, fix things, and then Loki was just no more. He turned into spaghetti. That's what I was expecting. I did not expect him to - Become a super God.
- Yeah. Hold the multiverse together. Yeah. Really fun episode. Probably one of the most emotional episodes of both seasons. It's a big character arc in such a short amount of time. I mean, you've been seeing it, but there's a lot that shifts. But obviously he's been through, like you said, a bunch of time to come to terms - And I think the, um, quick Groundhogs Day type thing in the last episode without actually being able to, to see it.
He's been with these other characters now for so long or centuries - Mm-Hmm. - . And you gotta think about like how close of a, like a friendship he's developed with them over all this time. Um, on just on his part. Like yeah, they, they're friends with Logie and everything, but for him they feel like, like the closest, they're like family to him at this point. So it, that makes that sacrifice even greater to me. I just wish we saw more of it, so that way we felt it more.
That being said, so Tom Hiddleston is saying that this is the end of his Marvel journey. Mm-Hmm. . Do you believe that - I I'm gonna say yes and no. I'm gonna say yes. He's not gonna be involved in Marvel stuff for a while, but I have a feeling knowing how things tend to work in comics and in the MCU, they will bring him back for something at some point. Whether it's this phase or phases from now. I, I, I think he's done for now, but he's coming back at some point for something.
- I've heard some theories about, you know, with, um, secret Wars, if he's one of the like high gods at that point to, you know, take his set of champions against someone else's. Or even if Thor finds out that even if it's not his version of his brother, that a version of Loki is, you know, stuck at the, the end of time holding up the multiverse. Mm-Hmm. , um, that he would want to go, like either see him or rescue him or something. I've heard that sort of theory. - Hmm. - Anything is possible.
- I don't know. I I have heard a few different things, uh, like they've positioned Loki to be Avenger Prime. Mm-Hmm. so that he would be recruiting the Avengers that show up for Secret Wars or something like that. It's hard to say, but like, I feel weird saying it, but like, after 14, what is it? Is 14 years right of MCU - That sounds right. - Yeah. But after this long, I'm kind of okay to watch Loki and Tom Hiddleston ride off into the sunset. I think this was a good out for both of them.
And if Loki never shows up again, I'm okay with that. I'm happy with it. - Yeah. I'm, I'm good either way. I'm a little anxious about the future of the MCU don't know where it's going. And the further along we get, the more I feel like they're, they're kind of lost and trying to find their footing. I think it's time for us to move on to the Marvels.
So my first question, um, before we actually get into any little details, do you think it more benefited from or detracted from the movie its short runtime? Because this is like the shortest MCU movie. I don't, I think, is it the shortest one ever or the shortest one in a long time, or, - Okay. So if I'm really honest, I feel like the Marvels felt like the Disney Channel movie of the week or whatever. It sounds like I didn't care for it.
I actually did enjoy it a lot more than I expected to, but it felt like it, it, it felt like an extension of a Disney of, you know, Ms. Marvel of the Disney Plus Show. Mm-Hmm. . Um, so I do think it benefited from the shorter runtime. I felt like it kept my attention better, even though there were quite a few things going on and what they were setting up. - I like the shorter runtime. Mm-Hmm.
, um, you know, selfishly because I, I honestly just didn't feel like spending almost three hours in a movie theater, like watching a Marvels movie. Yeah. But at the same time, I could see where things were probably cut as far as some character development and some plot development felt really rushed. Yeah. But I didn't mind it quite so much, honestly. Normally I'd be like, you know, it's different when you have a, a TV show and it feels rushed and cut up.
But for me, this movie, I, I was going into it just, just for a good time. Mm-Hmm. for me, if I hadn't watched Miss Marvel, I don't know how much I would initially like, care about her, like her as a character, I'd be like, okay, and this, this random girl that has powers, like, where'd she come from? - I don't know. I thought they did an okay job with her, kind of, you know, they have that, the intro where she's kind of, it's all, you know, animated and she's kind of explaining things.
I think that prob and I could, I could ask my girls, but I feel like that covered enough that okay, maybe you're interested and you didn't seem as Marvel, but now you want to. But it also fills in just enough to go, okay, let's just get through the movie. I don't know, I'd be curious to, to have seen it with somebody our age who did not watch Ms. Marvel at all. Just to see where they're at. - It probably does help that she is one of the highlights of the film.
Yeah. Because then you're like, if she wasn't, you know, if she was one of the worst parts of the film, you might be like, why was she even needed? Yeah. And, and you're right. I, it, it does probably make more people want to actually go back and watch Miss Marvel who hadn't. So, um, that's a good point. - How did you like Nick Fury in this movie? - He was fine. This movie makes a secret invasion. The show completely irrelevant.
- Yes. I was waiting for you to say that , - Because the only thing about Secret Invasion that you might even like a little bit is like, okay, like how does this tie into, uh, the Marvels, how does this tie into the future of the MCU, but with what they do with Nick Fury and the Scrolls, if you take it and, and you look at what happened in, in Secret Invasion, and then you look at this, it's a completely different version of Nick Fury.
'cause in Secret Invasion, you're getting this like, kind of like old tired, like worn out version of Nick Fury. And then he hearing this movie, he says like, - It's Sam Jackson. Yeah. - Samuel Jackson. Yeah. And, um, and in this movie they don't like mention anything that happened in secret invasion. Mm-Hmm. , uh, there's no mention of the fact that earth hates scrolls now, but now you're, you know, going to be taking this set of scrolls that now no longer have a home.
You're gonna send them to Earth and hope that everything's akay. Like . - Yeah. The only thing I can think of is that it takes place before secret invasion. But, - But see, that wouldn't work either because I know in sec in secret invasion, they mention the Colony that's in, uh, the Marbles. Yeah. The, they mentioned that colony like being off on another planet Huh. When, uh, they send out the beacon for, to bring all the strolls to Earth.
Mm-Hmm. , they talk about how like, that was one of the only colonies who didn't come. Okay. But instead of making secret invasion a little bit better, it just made it completely irrelevant. So if you haven't watched Secret Invasion, just skip it. - Yep. , I think I watched two episodes and I was like, I don't need this. I'm glad I didn't watch it all. - Yeah. And it's not even like irrelevant, but good. It's irrelevant and bad. Yeah.
- Yeah. It's like it reconned itself. really. Um, - But anyway, back on The Marbles, the movie we're actually talking about . Yeah. - I, I actually, I really did enjoy, uh, Nick Fury in this movie. It felt like kind of what we got with Iron Man and, and things like that. Just a little more, you know. Yes, I'm serious. But at the same time I can be funny too.
Uh, it was just, it was nice to have a something lighthearted because I feel like everything's been, not everything, but maybe it's just me. I've been watching a lot of heavy stuff lately and I don't know, this was just, this was nice. I, I don't, I think I'm probably part of the popular opinion, but if we could get a new Captain Marvel and Bree Larsson can just go do something else. Uh, you made a mention after we had watched the movie that her acting felt a little stiff in places.
And I would agree. I - I just felt like she didn't wanna be there. - Yeah. But I would, I would love to see whatever's next with Ms. Marvel and Monica. They were two of the best characters in the movie. I've always been a little hesitant with Marvel cosmic stuff just because it's never really been my jam. - Yeah. - But I will say that if we can kind of keep the tone that the Marvel's had, and I, I feel like James Gunn did so much for the MCU with all of his guardians movies.
I feel like if we can kind of keep that, that feel with the Marvel cosmic portion of the MCUI, I think I'm gonna be more aptt to look forward to, you know, whatever is out there. Like when we get to Galactus and Fantastic Four and things like that, I'm gonna be more aptt to want to see those things. - So how would you rate your excitement for the future of the MCU going forward? Like we said, there's a lot of things that could be shaken up and changed.
So we have what if, and then we have Deadpool three come out next year and then they're dropping all the episodes of Echo, I think sometime in the beginning of next year. But I think those are the only things that have firm dates at this point. - Yeah, I think you're right. I think I'm looking forward to most of those things. Um, I actually have not seen the trailer for Echo. I saw that it dropped and I just, I haven't watched it. - It's kind of funny, but not funny at the same time.
They're a releasing echo under this new, um, what's it called? Marble Spotlights or something like that. That's supposed to be, um, a brand for stuff that you can watch in and itself without having to watch other marble stuff. - Oh - Really? The first thing released under it is Echo, which is in definition something you have to have watched something else to know what's going on. 'cause if you didn't watch Hawkeye, um, then you're gonna have no idea who this character is.
Like what happened to Kingpin. - Right. - Hmm. So it's just kind of funny. But at the same time, like head shaking, like really, you're gonna start this spotlight line with something that you ha have to have watched something else to watch. - That's strange. But yeah, I don't, I don't really have any opinions on Echo. I will, I'll watch the trailer. What if I'm always excited for, I was excited for the first season. I'm obviously excited for season two.
I did notice in this trailer that when they do the whole logo reveal with the watcher, captain Carter was there. That seems strange. I, I don't know why she was there. And the trailer for what if the watcher, you know, kind of breaks that? I mean, he's breaking the fourth wall altogether, but just talks about how he doesn't do sequels. But things have changed. Uh, and I find that, I find that pretty interesting.
Um, I think the thing that I like about it is being able to tell multiverse stories that don't have to tie in with anything else in the MCU. They can, they can be spinoffs of that, like we saw in the first season of what If, but it's, it's very much like what they've been doing with some of the Star Wars, uh, animated stuff. - Visions. - Yeah. I'm excited for that. Obviously excited for Deadpool. So MCU is a whole, I don't know, I, I'm, I'm a little nervous.
I'm hoping that they get stuff straight and I'm hoping that what they did with Loki, doing what they did with the Marvels, as, you know, not really referencing anything about Secret Invasion. Uh, maybe those are all course corrections that we're seeing at this point. - What if for a second, I'm, I'm really excited for the, the release schedule actually.
'cause like, they're releasing, they're starting on December 22nd and releasing one episode every day, which I'm on Christmas break from work during that time. So like, it'll be like a little Christmas present. It's like my own Hanukkah. - Yeah. . I hadn't thought about that. - I don't know if that's sacrilegious against Jewish people or not, but I'm sorry if it is. But yeah, I, I'm excited for the MCU going forward. Uh, just not as excited as I was, you know, a few years ago.
I feel like the last few years have really tampered down my expectations for what the MCU like ev before, whenever an MCU movie was coming out, like, oh, this is great. I'm so excited. This is gonna be like one of my favorite movies of the year. And as more and more movies have come out in recent years that haven't been quite as good as I was expecting, it's started to tamper down my expectations. And I think that's happening with a lot of people.
And I think that's probably why they kind of jumped the gun and was like, we're having Kang Dynasty, we're having Secret Wars. Whereas I feel like if people were as excited as always been, they would've held that off until closer to it. Yeah. And made that like a big reveal. - Yeah. It's a little bit like showing their hand before they really should. Mm-Hmm. . Well I think that does it. I think that does it. Um, any final thoughts? - No. And we also have, um, a Patreon page.
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But we're gonna start slow so that we don't overcommit and so that we can't under-deliver. 'cause raw audio is super easy to to send out to you guys. But, you know, a little bit of support goes a long way. Shows us that people are interested. So yeah, you can go over to patreon.com/geek this, and you know, for a dollar, you can, you can listen to all the unedited stuff. - Thank you to everyone who, who listens. We appreciate you listening to us, you know, ramble on about things that we enjoy.
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Right. Anything else? Talk about the green line for the movie, for all I care, - I'm ready to talk about something else. So that's where we're at. - All - Right. All right. Well, we love you guys - Each and every one of you. We will talk to you in the next episode. - Bye Craig.