The Nightcap w/ Gary Jeff Walker -- 7/1/24

This is Monnight Cap on seven hundred WLW for Monday night, July first, twenty twenty four. I'm Jerry J. F. Walker and the Big Show tonight one of th threer reads off nights that I get to be with you on the radio Independence Day weeks. And I think not only this entire week, we ought to celebrate the beauty that is the United States of America, the republic for which that flag stands, because in fact, the entire month of July we just had Pride Month. The entire month of July should be

Pride in America month every year. I'm declaring it. If no one else celebrates it, I certainly will. Before we get started with tonight's guests,

and it's a great show. A few words. I wanted to let my voice join the chorus of thousands over the weekend who have taken time to remember and to eulogize as best we can when words don't even do justice to this man, the passing of Jim Scott, legendary seven under WLW radio personality of forty seven year radio vet who of course finally passed and lost his battle with

als last Friday. And I just have a couple of stories. You know, when people pass, whether they're well known and famous like Jim Scott or just Joe Anybody or Jane Anybody, the platitudes and the kudos flow like wine, and they should remembering the legacy that that person has left, you know. And unless it's Adolf Hitler or Charles Manson or somebody like that, everybody

speaks well of those who have gone. And in Jim Scott's case, it is so well deserved things that I would say about him, if God willing, he were still here with us on this earth. The first story, though, is kind of funny. It was funny to me anyway, knowing Jim Scott the way I did, and we weren't extremely close, but we worked together for many years here at the Media Death Star that is seven under WLW, and we moved into our new studios in Kenwood in two thousand and

four, so we're going back twenty years now. And in these new studios they built this performance studio. It was huge, double pine glass where bands could come in and play for WEBN or one of the other music stations we

had in our group at the time. And we're just allD taking a tour of the new studios that we were going to be working out of, and Jim is standing at the window in front of that performance studio, just kind of gazing in, and I saddled up beside him and I said, Jim, I bet this reminds you of your early days in radio back in the thirties, when stations had live works trists playing for them. He flashed the biggest seg famous Jim Scott smile. It was always warm and endearing. Had

looked at me and said, bleep you. Only he didn't say bleep you, but it was sincere and it was good natured when he said it. And then he just smiled and walked away. So I got to bleep you out of Jim Scott. I'm extremely proud of that somehow, that I elicit that kind of response from one of the nicest men I ever met in this business. Second story that I take away, I remember Jim Scott tonight back in twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen. I think it was twenty sixteen because it

was the year after Jim had retired. He was still very involved, as Jim was involved in everything all the time, even after he stopped full time work. Here. He pulled me. He was here at the studio doing a commercial or something, and Jim was still doing Kroger's spots and he would come to the studio and do those. And he saw me walking down the hallway and he said, Gary, Jeff, you got a minute? I said, do I have a minute for the great Jim Scott? Of course

no, I said, Jim, sure what you need. I wanted to ask you a favor. And he pulled me into a side studio and said, Gary, Jeff, I really think you should should be. I think you ought to be and I wish you would volunteer for this year's Salvation Army Red Kettle campaign, the bell ringing campaign. And I said, not going to turn down Jim Scott. You talk about offers you can't refuse, right, And I said, sure, you know what, if I can work it out of my schedule, I would love to do that and help you

out, I'll volunteer. So I did with my wife christ to two point zero and we went to the Newport Pavilion Kroger and stood inside the entryway there on a very cold, windy December day, and for two hours we rang the bell and collected money for the Salvation Army, you know the thing. And it was one of the most fulfilling two hours that I have spent in my entire career here in Cincinnati. Not that I was doing anything great. I was just standing there and smiling at people and asking him to give to

the Salvation Army at Christmas time. No big deal, right, but for me and for my wife, we felt so good being there and it was

all because of Jim Scott's encouragement. Jim Scott was what I call a collector of people, and by that I mean he seemed to really care about everyone he came into contact with, and he was busy in the community, as many have stated all the time, not to get paid, not for any other reason, but he felt like he needed to be involved in the community always and if there was a charity, if there was a big event, and from the smallest little charity events to the big gallas, Jim Scott rubbed

elbows with everyone and made everyone feel important. And the thing that keeps coming back to me and the stories that I've heard over the weekend are all the same, and that means when Jim Scott was taking a minute, a minute and a half two minutes to shake hands, kiss babies, and walk the room and meet everyone who was there. Hi, I'm Jim Scott. He actually cared about the conversation. It wasn't one ear and out the other.

In one ear and out the other with Jim, And if you saw him months or even a couple of years later, he would remember, if not your name, he would remember the conversation that that brief one and a half meant. Well, he's meeting fifty people at once. He would remember your spouse's name. He was truly a great human being. And to be a human being one is to be flawed, and Jim had his. I'm sure like everybody else, but of the people that I have met in this business,

nobody better, nobody finer than the late Jim Scott. And with that we'll begin tonight's program. In earnest our first guest just around the corner.

Hang on, this is the nightcap on seven hundred WLW. We are talking about rediscovering America on this Independence Week in twenty twenty four, Gary, Jeff Walker, and once again Scott Powell rejoins us as we rediscover the fourth of July and talk about how important the significance of what these people did that we celebrate and what they brought forth on this continent that we celebrate and our heritage. Really and you say, and I agree with you, Scott, that

this is definitely the providence of God. None of this happens without the hand of God on this name. Oh yeah, it's amazing. And I'll share a story a story with you anyway. But we feel that, you know, the odds are against us today, it seems that way, but we can take heart and resolve from our history. You know, in the first few years of the War of Independence, George Washington's undertrained, under equipped, an underfunded Continental Army was a half the size of the highly trained, professional

British Army and their allied German Hisitsian mercenary troops. But the naval mismatch was even greater. The Continental Navy had about twenty five converted merchant ships, while the British naval power was more than ten times greater, with two hundred and

seventy dedicated warships. And when you have a dedicated warship, it typically in those days was three decks of cannons on each side of the warship, whereas the American the Continental Navy converted merchant ships would have, you know, no cannons on the sides, because they were designed as as merchant ships, so they might have cannons on the top deck. And that was it. So we were totally you know, out gunned, outclassed by numbers in both armies

and navy, and things looked very grim for the American cause. However, the courage, determination, and godly faith of our founders made all the difference. And I always want to tell people the summer year about the Last Sentence, remind them of the last Sentence and the Declaration of Independence, which which

appears before space allocated for the signatures. And what it says is that the founders supported the declaration with a firm reliance on the protections of divine providence, and they mutually pledged to each other their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. Yep. Remarkable. And you know, and George Washington, how did he prevail against the overwhelming odds of the greatest military power in the

world. It was an impossible, an impossibility. So to understand that we best go back to seventeen fifty five, more than twenty years before the Revolutionary War, when George Washington was serving in the British in the British Army, he was trained and he was raised up as a junior officer. He was twenty two years old. And at that time the British decided they were going to retake Fort Duquine up in Pittsburgh. So they were marching up there.

And this was in the time of the French and Indian War, and it was really French, Indian and British War, to tell you the truth. There was territorial dispute going on, and it was a garrison of about fourteen hundred troops. Washington was the un your most officer. He was a colonel, only twenty two years old. The British garrison was ambushed in an open area, open field with trees on both sides, and the Indian sharpshooters began

taking down all the Americans. And they were told, you shoot the officers and horseback first, because if we can, if we can eliminate, if we can kill the officers, then we can capture everybody. So one by one all those officers went down, all those British officers, but there was one they couldn't seem to hit. And he was a big man. He was six foot three. He was quite a great horseman. And try as they would to train their rifles on him and kill him, they couldn't take

him down. They did shoot out two of his horses. And the person I'm speaking about is George Washington. George Washington lost two horses from those sharpshooters who were shooting at him, but hit the horses instead. And so finally Washington is on his third horse, and he is the last officer and he organizes the retreat, and it was a successful retreat. Of course, they lost so many people. Probably more than seven hundred were lost out of the

fourteen fifteen hundred. And that evening, when Washington took off his uniform, he found that he had four bullet holes through his uniform, four separate bullet holes. And he realized that God had protected him, that he was alive because of God's protection. And we know this is a true story because Washington wrote his brother and he described the whole thing, and he knew that he

had God's protection. So when twenty one years later he was made commander in chief of the Continental Army, that was underfunded, under equipped, totally outnumbered by the British. He had that same understanding that he would be protected by God. So he always led the troops from the front on his horse. But he was never he never suffered any wounds. You know, when you're

in the front, you're more likely to be taken out. But Washington, he was a protective man and he inspired the courage amongst his troops that was incredible. So even though he lost more, you know, he lost more battles than he won in the sixth year War of Independence, he persisted. And the qualities that he had included, you know, he had first and foremost was his faith in God, but had he had courage and persistence.

Those three qualities combined together to keep his troops faithful and still fighting. And finally, when God arranged, it was God's providence that arranged the Yorktown situation which enabled him to win a victory. The final victory was in seventeen eighty one in Yorktown where the British surrendered and they decided, you know, they'd had enough that Washington was never going to give up, and they just better pack their bags and go back to Great Britain. So that was the end

of the Revolutionary War. And it was all accomplished by God's providence, by courage, faith and persistence, And it's just a great story of how we began and our country was formed with Godly ideals. You know, the Declaration was sort of transcribed into a constitution that still basically had the vision of the Declaration encapsulated in a governmental form, and this enabled our country to prosper and grow and become a superpower in economic superpower in less than two hundred years,

the number one superpower. And this was all due to God's hand on America. But more importantly than becoming an economic superpower, America was a moral superpower. Well, you know, it was like no other country in the world. And you know, we're reminded in Proverbs that righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people. And we were a righteous and

moral nation right up into the mid twentieth century. But when we took prayer out of school and we legalized abortion, and then it's gone on from there. Well, way, by the way, Scott, there are all kinds of reasons for us to hold out hope, Yes, and number one is our faith in God, as you have mentioned, But there were little things that are happening all the time. The Ten Commandments have been restored to Louisiana public schools by law. Did you know that? I did know that.

And heelujah, hallelujah. And you mentioned you mentioned the signers of the Declaration of Independence. Real quickly before we head out of here, and I'm talking to Scott Powell Rediscovering the fourth of July. Rediscovering America is the book that you ought to own if you care about this country. Five signers were captured by the British, tortured before they killed them, Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned, Two lost their sons in the Revolutionary Army, another two had

sons captured. Nine of the fifty six signers fought and died from wounds of hardship of the Revolutionary War. So when they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor, they meant it. And that's the thing. There was a great authenticity to what they were doing as well. They believed in it, they had faith that they could do it, and they had the courage to follow it through. And we need all three of those today to rediscover the Fourth of July in this country. I believe we do.

We do. You know what I say in the article is that you know everyone can relate to the nightmare of their house burning down, you know, catching on fire, and it prompts immediate response. You drop everything and you go to save your life. Ones. Well, America has been set on fire to destroy our freedom, and it's time that everyone gets involved to save

our home and our freedom. So let's make this Fourth of July celebration a founding of our founding ideals, but also a time of renewed commitment to engage and wake up everyone that we know we're all in the position of Paul Revere now, and it's time to resist the creeping tyranny and the political corruption and reclaim sovereignty over our precious possession. And this is a precious position of our freedom and rights. And just as Washington succeeded against impossible odds by persistence,

faith, courage, we too will prevail. Scott Powell, thank you so much, God bless you and the happy fourth of July. This week, Happy fourth of July to you, Gary, Jeff Verse On a reds Off Night with my old tech buddy, the nerd, the self acclaimed nerd that is the mad Hatter, And I still think I coined that term. And when I say mad, I don't mean he's angry. Necessary well, he's angry about stuff that we probably can't talk about. But he's kind of crazy,

some people say. Even he says he's a tenfoil hat guy from time to time. The one and only Dave Hatter. How are you doing, Dave? I'm doing great here, Jeff as always, thanks for having me on. How are you? You know? I'm pretty good. And it's nice to have a little bit of work in the middle of the summer because I don't get as much opportunity to talk to people like you, and I

enjoy that as I do during the Reds off season. The Red's taking a little break here, and chances are they needed, and so do I so first and foremost, And I actually saw you talking with Bob Herzog earlier today on Local twelve. Shameless plug for somebody that I don't need to get plugs to. Over ninety thousand LG smart TVs may be exposed to remote a Now this is necessarily an attack on your your privacy is it or is this something really to be worried about, Dave, Well, it is, Gary,

Jeff. And here's why. Now, if you don't have an LGTV, there still potentially applies to you because it really speaks to something you and I have talked about over the years. Unless your mind has changed recently, I think you're still in the same camp as me that most of these so called smart devices, internet of things devices, TVs, storbells, fermostats, refrigerators, washers, cars, et cetera. Toilets are yeah, toilets, yeah, good god, who in the world would need that? These things are

privacy and security dumpster fives. You know, their whole business incentive is generally, how can I rush a market or product and market and be first and capture as much market share as possible with a little thought given to your privacy and security. And I mean you can go online and just search and find example after example after example of these things being privacy and security dumpster fires.

And even when they're not cases where the companies that make these things then have employees that you know, tack them to like spy on you because you're an attractive woman. You know, there's ample evidence out there where once they put cameras in roomors the room, but rolls into the bathroom when someone's on the toilet, and then somehow that person is on the Internet on the toilet. I mean again, you don't have to take my word for it. This

is all easily documented. So how that connects back to this? You have a smart TV? Now, let's face scary, Jeff, it's really difficult to buy a TV it's not a smart TV. And that's increasingly the case with so many devices. Even when it doesn't make sense. Why does your coffee maker need to talk to the internet. Okay, so it can send you a text tell your coffee's done. Well, you can smell it right, So you know, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should

do something. And that's my perspective all these I'm not saying that some future point, when these companies get serious about privacy and security, some of these devices might make more sense, but so many of them make no sense now because for whatever minuscule convenience you get out of it, you're exposing yourself to

a lot of potential risks. So in this case with the LGTVS, researchers found back in November last year, there was four different vulnerabilities in some of the software inside of these TVs, And it's always about the software that powers these things, right, And they didn't put out a six until March of this year, so they started raising the alarm about this. There's a search engine called showdown. We may have talked about this before. It's specifically designed

to find Internet of Things connected devices. So doing a search, they found ninety one thousand is ish of these TVs connected to the Internet that have these laws, which means hackers could potentially attack the TV take over the TV. Now people say, well, so what, Well, okay, if it's on the same network as your other device, devices you're using for work,

devices you're using to bank, et cetera. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that once I have control of that TV, I might be able to then get to your other devices, at which point I could steal your data, steal your money, or whatever other nefarious purpose I have. So it's while it may farfetch to people, it's a legitimate and concern. Well, it's it's like I've used this reference before with you. It's been a while, so I'll bring it back. It's like the movie The Lost Boys

at the end where the guy says. The guy says, you know, once you let a vampire cross your domicile, you have no power. So why let these evil forces from the outside into your house at all? Whether it's a smart TV, a smart coffee pot, or a smart toilet. There's just no reason that a reasonable person would would allow this, And it's

better better out and in. You are setting yourself up for trouble, especially if you don't understand how to can't figure it correctly out of the box, A change the default password, and then understand that you have to update the software inside these things, you know, whether it's to fix bugs, or to fix vulnerabilities, or some combination of all of the empulve. The manufacturers

hopefully are putting out software updates, which is a separate problem. A recent study show that, especially for smart TVs, in many cases, after two years, there's no more software updates coming. So when these kind of vulnerabilities are found, well, you're to saddle up. You got to buy a new device. But do people even understand that, so, you know, installing the updates it is critical if you have an LGTV and this I'm going

to say two last things on this. Hey, Ideally, if you buy a so called smart device, in addition to changing the default password and other configuration settings for that device to secure it, if it has the capability, you should set it up to automatically update itself so it's checking on its own

things like your Internet router right checking on its own and getting updates. But in the case of these lgtvs, my advice would be go into the settings, hit the button, demand really update the software in it, and then once that's done, do a physical boot on the thing, unplug it, plug it back in, and then make sure it's set up to get the automatic updates. And I mean that's generally good advice for all of these things. They should be rebooted once in a while, and you got to make

sure you're getting the software updates. Otherwise you are literally just asking to get hacked. So here's another story that just caught my eye. And I don't even know the first thing about this well because I'm a functional idiot anyway, but the headline on this story is world's first bioprocessor uses sixteen human brain organoids. Whatever the organoids are for a million times less power consumption than a digital

chip. You know, one of the great hurdles that we've been talking about with AI and all this other digital technology is that we're going to need a lot more power generated to you know, to actually have all of these things functioning and build them. Is this is this a path where maybe we don't need to come up with all this extra electric power for the ship technology?

It looks that way if it can scale. Dary Jess. Now, first off, I don't know if you've noticed recently, but a lot of the artificial intelligence experts out there who are making hyperbolic predictions, both in terms of we're going to be in a utopia or a dystopia, a lot of the must have started to come off of this stuff because many experts are now saying that the large language models that you see driving things like chat GPT are never

going to be sinny and self aware, super intelligent type artificial intelligence like you see in the movies. Yeah, and then even in that context, they're saying a lot of these large language models don't seem to be improving, they seemed to have capped out. And even though this is FCC non compliant, and I won't say the world the word out loud. I will send you this article and I encourage people to look this up. I agree with this guy's take on it, and it is one of the funniest things I've ever

read. I mean, I rarely laugh out loud reading text, especially anything related to technology, but this thing had me laughing several times. It's an article that's called I will e fing pile drive you if you mentioned AI again. And the guy that the guy that wrote it is a data scientist, and I got to tell you it is very, very funny, and I think pretty much right on the money. So your question about the electricity is

right on the dot. You know, they've been warning about how much electricity it's going to take, and they mentioned in this article about this bioprocessor they've

created. And you'll see why I went down to LLM path there from a minute they say Final Spark the company or final Backer if I'm pronouncing it right, claims training a single large language model like JATGPT three required approximately ten gigawatt hours, about six thousand times the energy consumption that an average European citizen uses in a whole year. Wow. So then this article basically goes on to say that they've essentially grown something in a lab that's based on you know,

biological material. I don't think it's like a human cell in a traditional sense, but it's not entirely clear to me how they're doing this. But they basically say the main innovation delivered by the neuroplatform is the use of four multi electrode arrays housing living tissue organoids, which are three D cells three D cell

masses of brain tissues. So you have sixteen of these things. But the big problem with this, despite the fact that apparently they can be trained and learned and operate in some basic artificial intelligence type ways, and you know, they use a lot less power, they don't last very long. According to this article, these things will basically expire in about one hundred days. So

it's certainly an interesting approach. It's different than what we've seen so far on AI from other companies, so I think it bears watching, especially when you think about things. I think we talked about this before, Gary Jefflake, Elon Musk, Neuralink, and other companies out there who are making these devices that you know, essentially can interface with a human brain, which I just see nothing but problems from that. But what do I know. I just

love the human brain organoids. It all just sounds just too wild to even, like I said, comprehend on my part. I'll tell you what, Dave, if you can, let's take a real quick break and come back. Is that all right? All right? Dave had her with us on this July first nightcap more tech talk around the corner on seven hundred WLW TVs and human brain organoids whatever they are, and now a real story and not that those weren't. A United States Center wants to put the brakes on Chinese

evs. I'm all for it. Tell me more about it, Dave Hadter. Yeah, So I want to encourage people to go out and check out Mozilla. The people that make the Firefox browser have a fight called Privacy Not Included. And while it's not exclusively focused on the Internet of Things or so called smart devices, they do cover that a lot. And the whole idea beside is it helps you as a consumer make better choices before you buy a product or download an app or whatever. Is it privacy friendly or not.

And I would just suggest to you that if something is not very privacy friendly. It probably also was not very security friendly either. You know, they're not exactly the same thing, but they're usually interconnected, a situation that if if you have a significant flaw in one, you probably will in the other. And they did a big expose a late last year. I've mentioned this numerous times in these kind of interviews about how modern cars are basically rolling surveillance

tools. You may have seen the story where, you know, the guy was reported to his insurance company by his new car and they raised his rates because they didn't like the way he was driving, even though this wasn't a city scenario like where he went to All State and said, hey, give me that thing, I plug into the car and you monitor my driving. The car just basically dropped the dime on it. So they talk about that

a lot, which now gets us to this Chinese viase. So you know, the Chinese time in this party, and Chinese companies have been building electric vehicles. You know, they want to flood the market here, which is its own separate problem. But when you understand the capability of these new vehicles and the fact that they are not only collecting enormous amounts of information that that's you as a driver. But because they have all kinds of external basing sensors,

they're also basically rolling surveillance tools. I mean, think about it. Can you imagine during World War Two that we would have allowed a German company to put cars on the street that could actually surveil the environment they were in and whether it's listening or video or whatever. I mean, can you just imagine that for a second. But that's where we are with these things. And you know, again this isn't some Dave hatter keinfo hack conspiracy theory.

You've got Senator cher Brown from Ohio warning about this in a letter present Biden, and he's one of many people, by the way, raising this concern that you know, you have our primary adversary in the world building devices that have all kinds of surveillance capabilities, both for the driver, the occupants, and the external environment they're in. There's a well documented case, Gary Jeff where Russians were hacking web cameras in the Ukraine and then using them for targeting

purposes for attacks. Imagine if you had hundreds of thousands or millions of these cars running around the country, the kind of information that they can collect, not to mention probably the most serious problem what happens when the Chinese government decides today is the day we've seen the FBI and every three letter government agency warn about critical infrastructure and China in particular in it and the possibility of launching attacks.

Imagine if they made every one of these cars a weapon. Imagine a six thousand pound car full of all kinds of hideous chemicals because of the batteries just suddenly start to accelerate until it runs into something. Or what if they targeted chemical plants. What if they targeted water plants? You know, imagine a nine thousand pound car just barreling into a water plant or a chemical plant where they make chlorine. I know this sounds crazy to people, but I'm

not the only person that's making these cleantions. So yes, I think at a minimum there should be like a thousand percent tariff on these things, and in my opinion, they should just be outright banded. It should not be a thing because of the surveillance of the weaponization possibility of these things. I can tell you I don't care if they paid me, I would not take one of these vehicles. Well, I'm not a big fan of evs in

general, Dave, and secondarily secondarily made in communist China. Not no, but hell no. And it's nice to see a couple of takeaways on my part. Nice to see Shared Brown doing something that I'm in favor of,

number one, because it usually doesn't happen. And number two, it kind of ties into this next thing I was going to ask you about that we have talked about before, and it's about our water systems and the possibilities and we've already seen it in practice where water systems in certain places have been hacked and there's a release of chemicals that could poison entire population if it hadn't been

caught. The EPA, which again is an agency I don't agree with most of the time, but the EPA firing up the warning shot here that most water systems in our country do not meet compliance requirements. Can you enlighten us on this a little bit, because that's just scary as hell to me. I totally agree with you, and for anyone that knows me, they know I've been concerned about critical infrastructure for a long time. So the FBI has

sixteen different categories that they call critical infrastructure. It could be things like logistics, right, I mean, I think you know, Gary, Jeff, there's a relatively small supply of food, for example, in the supply chain. You saw some of this with the COVID pandemic that first started. And you know, if you could knock out a substantial swath of logistics oriented companies, trucking companies, cargo ships, that sort of thing, you could potentially,

you know, significantly disrupt daily life in the United States. It's manufacturing plants that make, you know, specific types of equipment. It's chemical plants. You know, I'm old enough to remember very well when I if I recall correctly, four thousand people were killed in India in Bopol, India when a Dow chemical plant, Yeah, least chlorine gas. I remember. You know, if you could hack a plant that made chlorine gas and release it, or wreck a train that happened to have a bunch of cars full of

chlorine or some other type of dangerous chemical like East Palestine for example. Now I'm not saying that was hacking. I'm just saying, you know, we see real world incidents of mistakes and things that cause catastrophes. Imagine, if you will, for a second, that Chinese hackers sponsored by the Chinese Communist Party in the military. FBI Director Ray has said, now I'm going from memory here, but I believe he said he thinks they have like a five

hundred to one advantage in terms of it might be fifty to one. I might have my scale off, but a substantial advantage in the number of people they have focused on hacking the United States. He and other three letter agencies have warned extensively about concerns around critical infrastructure and the fact that they're already in it and waiting for the right time. So, you know, the EPA getting on board with this water plant thing, I think is critical because let's

face it, short of air, water is the most important resource. You can't live very long without water, and if you can shut it off, that's a problem. Or and we've seen this. There have been numerous water plants hacked. The Oldtimar water plant in Florida is the main one that comes up when you search for this. They were able to, due to some legacy technology and some band security practices, able to change the amount of chemicals

going into the water. Now, fortunately it was caught. The forty damage was done. But you know, we've seen numerous examples of water plants being hacked. Again, Okay, if I shut off your electricity, that's the problem, and it will eventually become a huge problem because you need electricity to turn the pumps to make the water. Right, you know, all this stuff is interconnected. Again, FBI says sixteen critical infrastructure categories we as a

country have absolutely I just I'll sind it. I just actually wrote an op ed on this about how China is our fundamental adversary in the world, and you know, they're known for this sort of thing, and it's long past time to get serious about the fact that we have to make the investments to descend this infrastructure because it's not just oh it's convenient. It's inconvenient for me that my powers off. It's my powers off. I can't work. Our

whole economy shut down. There's no way to momp to pump the water. I mean, you know, we're talking about well passed inconvenience here, life threatening situations. If you could, you know, put a significant dent into this critical infrastructure. So I'm I'm very happy to see the alerts being raised and trying to get people to take this seriously. It's well passed high to make these investments. Well, yeah, you talked about the supply chain and

the food chain and referencing COVID. I remember, of course the great toilet paper shortage of twenty twenty, and of course if you don't have any food, you probably don't need as much toilet paper. I'm just saying that is true. That is true, and real quickly here to tag out with Dave Hatter. There are more and more secrecy concerns that are mounting over spies that are targeting US data centers, and you hear a story about it almost every other week, Dave, Well, Garrett, Jeff. In my mind,

this is a two pronged story. You have the concerns that you know. In many cases and for many businesses, cloud based computing is a big win. It reduces complexity of your environment, It reduces total cost to ownership. It makes things easier and potentially more secure if you're working with a reputable vendor like Microsoft that has all the right tools available and you avail yourself up. A lot of these cloud breaches happen not because it's Google's fault or Amazon's fault

or Microsoft fault. It's because people did not configure things correctly, they did not take advantage of all the capabilities, or they didn't turn something on that they should have or something. But all of that said, as you put more and more of your data in the cloud, you again coming back to my two prong comment, you have concerns about the US government right violating the Fourth Amendment and working around on the Fourth Amendment to get to your data,

both as an individual and as an organization. And then secondarily, you know, it is it better for the Chinese Communist Party to attempt to hack some small company? Now maybe it is, depending on what they want to get, some military secret or trade secret. You know, why invest billions of dollars to build something when you can just steal some of American companies intellectual property? Right, and that's the huge part of what they've been doing for a

long time. But if you could, for example, break into a large cloud provider and steal all of the information, well, of course, you

know it's a giant honeypot. So yeah, and you know we've seen examples again going back to China, where if they want something bad enough, they'll eventually either bribe someone internally, so you have an insider bread situation or they'll you know, basically work with someone to get them hired knowing they're planning them inside there to steal trade secrets or military secrets or whatever it is there after

again and you know, again this is Dave Hatter's opinion exclusively. You have people like the FBI director and the National Security Director and others who've been worried about this sort of thing as well for a long time. Yeah, it's a big problem. Thank you so much again for your time, my friend, and we'll talk soon. Okay, always my pleasure, Gary Jeff,

Thanks to have a true patriot on there. No matter what your definition of the true patriot is, I believe this guy often qualified to the truth patru of He happens to be a Republican US Senate candidate in Virginia. He wasn't primary or based off against the incumbent Tim Kaine in November. He has a brand new book called Call Me An American, and we definitely are calling him that and more. Hung Cow, welcome to the show. How are you. I'm doing great? Thank you so much for having me on your show.

You just had a fantastic rally this past weekend. Tell me about that. Oh, President Trump came to Chesapeake, Virginia and they invited me to speak on there, and then when he landed, he wanted me back on stage with him, and it was just funny. Hey, he's just a very very funny man. And he shook my hand and he's like shaking his hand. Afterwards he's like, oh my gosh, I think he broke my hand. You got to watch out. He's got a really strong grip there.

But you know, he's just he's just got that how going. All right? Call me an American is the book. We're going to talk about that obviously here in a few minutes. Hung but let's talk first about how you got to this point here. And when I say you're a true patriot, the original American colonist and the founding fathers braved a lot of bloody hardships

and battles to forge this country. They came from somewhere else and settled here, many of them, and then the next generations were born on this continent. But you know, coming to basically an untamed wilderness and harsh winners they'd never faced before, and finally being on their own and then they fought to be really on their own. As we celebrate our independence this week. You came from a different place, but I think your story is very very much

the same. It's very similar of those original Americans in the fact that you were a refugee from Vietnam. What do you remember about those days? Huh oh, thank you. This is the American story, right, I mean, it's all of our stories. So teen seventy five, you know, the brand new centator named Joe Biden signed, you know, push a bill to no longer fund any support South Vietnam. So the whole country fell apart.

And so we left there in the middle of night, and and just you know, made it our way to United States, not knowing what the future would hold. I moved to West Africa because that's where my dad could find work. After we moved to the United States, and then at the age of twelve, my parents brought me back here because you know, I didn't speaking the English. I went to French schools and spoke Vietnamese at home. So my dad remained in Africa for a few more years working and we'd

see him every six months. But that's what sacrifice is. And I grabbed down to the American dream. I went to the top high school in the United States, a brand new high school called Thomas Jefferson High School for Sci Technology. I went to United States Naval Academy, earning a bachelor's in engineering. I went to Naval Postgraduate School where I earned a master's in physics,

and I had fellowships at Harvard MIT. But you know what, I paid back every dime of that American dre with twenty five years of service in Navy Special Operations. I was Navy DC diver the recovered John F. Kenney Junior, his wife of the sister in law, and I was a bomb disposal technician that you know, defuse bombs for are still teams and our Special Force team in Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia. Wow, I mean right there. You could stop right there and do nothing else, and I would be sitting

here slack jawed in amazement and wouldn't have words to say thank you. But okay, thank you for everything that you just detailed that you have done for our country. But then you decided that there was more that you could do for your country, especially at such a pivotal time. You know, your family fled communism, and I can't believe there is such a push to bring it to the United States and to make it or you know, communism, Marxism, whatever you want to call it. That is so anti American.

You and your family tasted what that's like and said, this is not for us. The entire communism has failed everywhere it's ever been tried. And I don't know why there's such a push by some people in this country to drive us to a full on communist state. Huh can you explain that? No? No, I can't. I mean, it's not a fad like what Comrade Bernie and AOC and all these people are trying to push like they didn't

invent this. This has been around for over one hundred years and it's destroyed every country it's touched, and they're turning this into what I ran away from. And you know, I left Afghanistan in twenty twenty one and January twenty twenty one and watching the country fall apart there, that's why I was like, you know what, I need to retire. But then watching the enemy come in from the inside, destroying everything we believe in, I just couldn't

sit and sit back and just let it happen. So I ran for Congress actually in twenty two, and uh, you know, I won a very heavy uh heavly uh you know, uh heavy uh what's called the primary with eleven people. And I went against this lady that they she just kept calling called me everything from an extremist to a threat to democracy. I mean these people were just thanking me for my service six months before, right, and

she called me all sorts of you know, all sorts of names. And I said, you know what, I earned the right to be called American. You need he called me an American. So the name of my book is actually in a front to her, you know, kind of like a big you know, flipping the bird in her face because saying, hey, call me an American because I fought for this right. But again, I'm

going to keep fighting from the American people. So we didn't win in twenty two, but we moved that needle thirteen percent in a you know, in a very blue district that includes Louden County where they're attacking the parents, right the school board was, and we moved that needle from Biden plus nineteen down

to six points. And that's why we ran for They asked me to run for US Senate, And here I am the nominee for the US Senate in virgin and I'm going to take on Timkin, you know, the Hillary Clinton's running mate. So I mean, what, obviously you're you're very positive and you believe you can win, and I hope you can win because the balance of power in the Senate and the House of Representatives definitely needs to be out of the Marxist hans Uh and the squad and all of that. But what

are things looking like? What are the polls saying, and how's your fundraising going so far? Oh, the polls are basically President Trump and President Di Biden are neck and neck in Virginia. I mean, this is where President Trump won the loss by ten points in twenty twenty, and he's already neck and neck, if not above to a Biden. And if you go back to Tim Keane, I mean this guy talk about Marxist socialists. I mean he spent his u some time after college or between college down in Honduras.

You know, I mean I think he got you know, he got completely brainwashed by all the socialists down there, and he truly believes in all this stuff, and no one can remember what this guy's done for Virginia. I mean he's you know, the only thing they can remember. He got stuck on I ninety five with a bottle of doctor pepper during a snoop storm. That's it. Well, what a legacy. Yeah, and being part, of course of a losing presidential campaign in twenty sixteen. I want to get

to Zach. You're talking about Louden County and you're talking about Virginia, and in fact, I'm moving close to a break here and we're going to come back if you'll allow me some extra time with you to talk about that particular region in the country and why a victory not only for you but for President Trump would be so as the President likes to say, as forty five says, huge, it would be. It would be huge. Virginia would be

huge. It's a beautiful, beautiful state. It would be huge if you guys could claim victories, both of you in the Senate and the presidential campaigns.

More with hung Cow in just a moment, as we continue Independence Day Week, we are talking to Hung Cow, US Senate campaign candidate from Virginia going to face off against Tim Kaine and the Fall, and the author of the new book Call Me An American, detailing his an amazing story of being a South Vietnamese refugee fleeing communism and the fall of Vietnam in nineteen seventy five with his family coming to the United States, learning English, becoming a Navy

captain, and now a Senate campaign candidate, along with being the author of Call Me An American. Hung We were talking before about the rally over the last weekend with President Trump and Virginia, and describe for me again what that energy was like what you told somebody else. Okay, well, not that ever tried this, but it's like eating a whole pack of Pixi sticks and

then chasing with four monster drinks. That's what the energy was like. You see it on TV and do you even get the wits and breadth of it? And they on TV or I guess being there is everything. Yeah,

being there is everything. Because these people were out there from eight o'clock in the morning and President didn't start speaking until four and they're out there in the hot, blazing sun and it was you know, typical of Virginia summer where it's muggy and humid, but they they were out there and they're chanting, and they're strong, and they're they're excited, and that's what we need to

win Virginia and also the whole presidential race this year. People were excited across the nation because they're sick and tired of being being taxed to death, and they're sick and tired of being told what to do. I mean, government's there to you know, do what we tell them to do, not the other way. Aroun Yeah, oh exactly. Getting back to Louden County, Virginia and Virginia, I know it would be huge if President Trump and you

could both win those races in November. What makes Virginia obviously so difficult and has made it so blue in certain parts of that state, that commonwealth, is the fact that you know, they've got to protect official Washington, DC, because so many people work and live for the federal government in that part

of the country. They don't want their goodies to be taken away. They don't want their jobs to be threatened by somebody who was in favor of deregulation and less taxation and shrinking, hopefully one day, shrinking the size of our government where we're not spending two hundred and thirty six percent of the GDP on our debt. I mean, that is really the tough hurdle in Virginia, isn't it. It is? But we don't have to win northern Virginia. I didn't need to move it the way I did in twenty twenty two,

where I moved to thirteen and the south comes out. And when I see the south, it's not very far south. I'm talking about Rappahanno County, Fakier County, and then Prince William County on down, so that's still very north. But all those counties down there, they're excited. They're excited to see, you know, change in the government. They're excited to see people that are going to fight for them. And that's why we know we're going

to win Virginia. I mean, we win Virginia, that's thirteen electoral votes and that basically decides the whole presidential race altogether. Tell me a little bit more about the book. Any particular story come to mind that you could mention without giving things away, Because we want to get people fired up about Call me in America. Tell me a story or two from the book that will

pique people's interests. Well. First of all, the meritocracy is a big thing, right, I mean in America, it's always one of those things that pays be a winner. I mean that's what they teach you at high school, at buds and everything else. If you finish first and then you get to relax while everybody else catches up. Well. Likewise with meritocracy.

You know, I went to the top high school in the country. For decades, it was number one, but then the left changed the whole entrance requirement so that it could be more equitable, and so the school dropped to now one, to number five, and then very recently dropped at fourteen in the country. But meritocracy, I know. I learned meritocracy in the French

schools because they hand you out the report cards and order of merit. So you line up and the teacher calls out, you know, by number one, first person to the highest grade, and then all the way down to the last person, and then you sit based on the order of merit. So top right is the always the number one, and then it goes all the way down. But I always noticed that the pretty French girls were always

the top of their class. So it gave me incentive to work as hard as I can to get up there with them instead of being back with these smelly French boys. Well, plus, you want to hang with the pretty friends girls, don't you Exactly? So that's that's that's how I learned meritocracy. I'm like, wow, it does pay to be a winner. Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. So all of this nonsense that we've has been pervading almost every element of society, especially during the Biden administration,

this concentration on DEI and UH diversity equity. People get confused. They think equity means equality and it's actually the opposite of equality. But UH DEI seems to be fading as far as public favor and as far as the fad that it it has been. Do you feel like we're going away from this? You know, you've got to have you've got to be a certain have a certain characteristic to get a job in Washington, d C. Or be a

part of the administration. You know, we we don't have a trans Portuguese woman uh in this department or that department, or this cabinet or that cabinet. And Biden are going full steam ahead with this, but it's it's starting to lose its luster in the corporate world. And I'm thankful. I'm grateful to see that. Do you see that also, Yes, in the corporate world, yes, But then it's the government still doing it. And look,

everybody believes in diversity, and it's diversity of background. It's not of color of your skin. It's the diversity of background. You know, me growing up in Africa and growing up in the United States and going to all the schools I did. That's the diversity you need. And then the inclusion. Of course, we want everybody to be included. But the equity part is what I hate the most because it sounds, like you said, like equality, but it's not the same. It means that everybody finished this safe.

Now. You can look at me. I'm five ft six, you know, Asian guy. I'm not going to play in the NFL or the NBA. It's just not what it's there for. Now. You throw some math problems at me. I'm winning that every day. But it's just to say that we're all going to be the same at the end. I mean, that's just another word for communism and socialism and Martianism. It doesn't work

that way. No, And that's exactly what I'm talking about. And you're stressing just from your life and knowing how important meritocracy is to not only getting ahead and being first, but also to have a fulfilled life. I mean, exceptionalism is what truly brought this country to a great place in the world. And it seems like there are forces trying to tell us that we're not exceptional anymore, and we don't have to be exceptional. And it's just a

bunch of junk. It's a bunch of Unamerican junk. No. Yeah, so you're right. I mean, who wants to live in the worst country world or the second worst country, yeah, or even the second best country. We want to live in the best country in the world. And look, there's a reason why China and Russia do not have an immigration because no one wants to go there because it sucks. You know, everybody wants to come to the United States. Oh, any any parting words for as hung

Cow as we go? Do you have a campaign website you want to mention or anything like that. Yes, please, it's gov to hung for Va dot com. That's h U n g f O r VA dot com. Your your listeners may not be able to vote for me, but I can vote for them, right My vote in the Senate will stop a lot of

this idiocy. You know, I'm reading right now that they buy the administration's flying people back in that the Trump administration deported I mean, I've heard of catching a release, but this is ridiculous, and it's just one of those things where I will fight for you every day. If you're an American, I'm gonna fight for you because the only person better off the day than they were four years ago is an illegal alien. And we've got to stop this.

Well, you you came as a refugee, and immigration in twenty twenty four is not the same. It's not the same thing. And people who equate that with this same thing of the great wave of immigration in the early nineteen hundreds or somebody coming from Vietnam and doing it legally as opposed to what's happening now on our southern border and has been encouraged, is ridiculously different. And people who can draw those those parallels are obviously on acid or something.

Hung col Thank you so much, yes, sir, thank you so much for having me. It is Independence Week. I'm a nightcap, and you know, I couldn't resist the opportunity to talk to my favorite furry friend, the fur ball Andy Furman, And so here he is. Fur Ball. What's going on? Man? Ah? Are you telling me? I tell you, well, I've got a couple of things I'd like to get off my chest. And number one in particular with the h I guess the NBA Draft which is held last week. I'll tell you why I'm upset about that.

Oh god, you know what. The first you know, the first two picks, we're back to back players from France. And this is a game. And as a matter of fact, this is my French is so good. I can tell you the number one pick from the Atlanta Hawks is Zacharie richa re jacha share. How's that pretty good? French? Uh? And I'll tell you why I'm upset about that, because this game was born

and bred and discovered and nurtured on our turf. Okay, And look, I have nothing against the French or anybody else who plays basketball besides out of the United States. But if you want to promote the game, and you want to have fans really interested, and you better stop drifting kids from college here and that goes to Major League Baseball. I love baseball. I love the NBA. I love basketball, but they're killing the game by straying away,

by trying to spread their wings and market their product nationally. The National Football they could do it. They could play games in Mexico and South America and in England. They could do that because the game is so strong, and obviously they only play eighteen games a year. Seventeen eighteen games a year. They could get away with it. The NBA can't get away with it.

And the ratings for TV were horrendous this year. They stink. And the NBA, as you know as Major Baseball right now, I believe they're no longan national sports. I believe they're regional sports. And people cannot follow a player and know what he has done in his league in France when it comes to the Atlanta Hawks, period Andy. Uh, you know the NBA's biggest market, don't you. It's New York. You know it's Communist China is the NBA's biggest market. It is, that's a fact. I agree.

I agree. You've got you've got over a billion people and they love basketball. Uh. They they buy and they make most of the goods thanks to Nike and the slave labor that goes on in China and Communist China to make the goods that are sold at four or five times the price they should be selling at. And the NBA is huge in Communist China. In fact, I would many people say that in fact, the NBA is owned by Communist China, it's not owned by the individual owners or the league. In

America. It has totally become a not American sport. And I'm not surprised to see these international players getting drafted because the NBA is always looking to grow their market and wins. They really am they really don't care about the USA Andy the NBA that that's ow bos. They care about it now because there's gonna be some heavy duty negotiating because so TV readings were horrendous. They were

bad. I mean honestly, I mean, they had less than five million viewers in the final game of the end of the NBA title game with the Boston Celtics this year because people are tired of it. Maybe the season is too long, or maybe the athletes are paid too high, maybe they're I don't know what the reason is, but when you get people coming in there to play and you have no idea who they're from or where they're from, or they don't speak English or their background. At least you get a kid

that played for Kentucky. Okay, kid play say hey, look, I watched him play at Kentucky. I want to see how he goes at the next level and what he does. You can't do that when you draft the kid from France. My guess, Andy, my guess is the reason the NBA ratings sucked this year is because it does not even closely resemble the game that I grew up loving. That's why you know what You're correct on that stance. However, I would think that the audience that watches it right now,

they get into a younger audience. I would think maybe between you know, high school kids in maybe thirty thirty five, because they don't know what it was like back in the day. They don't know how great it was when when those Celtic teams in the sixties played and they could pass the basketball. But that's a different story. Can I change gears for secause I'm getting sick. I'm getting sick of talking about this, I really am, because I'm talking up I guess the brick wall not you. But in general,

people don't think I'm correct when I talk about this. It's true. That's why no one's watching it on TV because they can't relate to who these plays are. What do you think they watching the WNBA. They follow Caitlin Clark in Iowa. They want to see how she's doing at the next level. She was promoted heavily in Iowa and they follow her all the way up the ramp to the WNBA. You can't do it that with a kid from France period. You know what I get? I get the fever anytime they're on

Andy and I love that Caitlin Clark fever. Baby. What else? What else? What else? You want to talk about? Well, you know what, I'm a stickle, not a stickle, But i love promotions. I love sports promotions. I've done a lot of them throughout my career. I worked at racetracks, I went to Latonia, I got married with the Tonia Race Course at Chris Collins with racer Horse of the Tonia Race Course, and other things down the road that I've done. But here's a bizarre one

in East Lake, Ohio with the Monor League Baseball team. With a partnership with Roto Ruder and the Lake County Captain's Baseball team, they're going to unveil the first effort Rodeo Ruter toilet row at Classic Auto Group Parks. This a unique seating experience of groundbreaking first to Monor League baseball. They can offer fans the opportunity to enjoy the game from the comfort of deluxe, high end toilets

positioned right behind home plate. So does that mean if you got to go like a number two, could you do that while you're watching the game? I don't know, and I don't know who, and they're not they're not functioning toilets. They just look like dolet Wouldn't it be great? Though? You could you could like wear your bathing suit and it'd be a bidet. Somebody suggested that. I think that would be a phenomenal thing in in the middle of a they're usually a lot lower, but though you think they're a

lot lower than the usual basic seats at a ballpark. So maybe you'll have obstruction views, you know, unless they're really up close. Maybe they're gonna be the first row. Now it is, it is the first row. I saw a video of that this morning. It's the it's the front row. It's right behind home plate, so you've got you've got unobstructed views there and from your from your toilet seat position. Man. Well, there's another

thing. There's addendum to this thing as well, because as an ative bonus, fans can now prove their plunging prowess in the roto Root of Plungerr Challenge. Two brave souls will battle it out each game to see who could expertly launch and stick a plunger onto roto rooters target. How do you like that? I mean, the winners will only get it breaking right, but they'll also get a prime spot in the toilet row and maybe you get a free plunger. How do you like that? Walking around with a plunger? That's

pretty neat? Huh? That? This is as good? This is. This is better than the disco demolition that Veck tried at the White Sox. Yeah yeah, I don't think it will cause any problems, any heartaches and any riots if you well there there couldn't. There could be an explosure or two on toilet row. But I digress. Yeah, so I mean, what do you what do you I want to I want to go back,

as I may. I want to go back just for a second to the NBA and the draft because I'm watching the draft and John Calla Perry, the former coach of Kentucky now with Arkansas, was on TV and I'm saying, why, John, why would you put yourself in that position? Because what you did this year is ridiculous, because it's unbelieve with Caler Perry. Look, he he he had a Shepherd and billing him drafted in the draft this

year, and it's unreal because he hardly played those guys this year. It's unbelievable what he did, and the criticism that he put himself open to is not right. The former coach had a couple of lottery picks in reach Shepherd, Sheperd's drafted number three, Rob dealing him drifted number eight, and those guys only played together in six games this year. Maybe that's why they lost to Oakland and several years ago with the Saint Peter's. You know, he

put himself in a position where he looked like a fool. He really did. I get it. You want to be on TV and you can kind of promote ARCHITSI or whatever it is. But all of Kentucky fans when they saw those draft picks with Williaham and Shepperd's, Ah yeah, look what they are cow three and eight and you never played them. John Caller Perry, John Caliperry is as close to a snake oil salesman as there has ever been

in college basketball. I have zero respect for the guy. He won the one championship, he should have won ten, and he just simply didn't care about the University of Kentucky or really their players. He cared about, you know, getting them to the NBA. He has always had big profile TV games, made lots of money on the backs of UK fans who were annually disappointed. You want to talk. He reminds me of the music man that Robert Preston played in the movie. Yeah, yeah, No, he's a

phony. He's a phony. I hope he falls on his face at argument. If he didn't care about winter losses, didn't care about the alums. His whole sailing point to the public was I produced these kids and the highest salary people coming out of the Commonwealth of Kentucky. I get it, you know, you know what, John, they would have been the highest salary with or without you, but the alums don't care. Season ticketholders don't care. They want you to win. And look if you went out to Rupplereta

the last several years. It was not full to the grim the last several years. No, they they the NBA should have been paying him, not UK. Listen, Andy, I got to run, Betty, agree with you. I'm off like a prom dress. See you. I'm done. On an Independence Week, we are taking some time out to talk to the man behind our American stories. It's a fantastic series of radio shows and they've got just incredible videos out and the man behind them is a guy that I

really love talking to because he's a radio guy like me. Lee Habib, Welcome to Independence Week with Gary Jim Well, thanks thanks for having me. It's a great week. It's the most important week aside if you're a Christian, we know the important weeks, but if you're an American, this is the week. This is the way we celebrate our birthday and our birth certificate.

And as many people who have highlighted in the show, if you're an American and a Christian, it's really important those two go hand in hand when it comes to this particular holiday. There's no doubt. Look odds all over the Declaration. He's mentioned four times, Yeah, four times, and Jefferson does that writing Jefferson no less. So there's no question that many of if not all, some comes from the Enlightenment. But in the end, man

should not be Man should not be governed by kings. Man has an available right to govern himself and no one should come between him and his God. This was the biggest point that it's God and man and government, not God government man. Yeah, excellent, fundamental shift in world history. You have a great piece on Thomas Pain that you're highlighting is is kind of a beacon

for today. If we have that same kind of Thomas Pain mentality about us, maybe we can overcome some of these incredible hurdles and obstacles that have been front put in front of those who were pursuing the American dream. In twenty twenty, Well, we write about what Pain was going up against the colonists, right, And it was simple. The king was moving in on the colonists to more tightly govern us, and haddn't for a long time a period

of statulatory neglect, salutary neglect, and and and the colonists. Well there. Some hate it, but some don't. Most historians agree that the country was split in thirds, the third one with the with the patriots, the third one with the king, and the third wie hiding under their desks. Sound familiar, but the third we're mad. We're saying, Look, we have been governing ourselves for a long time. We aimed to do it now

ourselves forever. We want a divorce. Thomas Payne wrote into that by basically talking about the elites, the ruling elites from England, the Parliament and the king. And by the way, a lot of us think there are ruling elites governing us today. And the distant power isn't Washington. See the dist

empower is in London. It's Washington, d C. And Brussels, the European Union and the World Economic Forum, the DeVos crowd and so what he wrote this is an interesting little paragraph from pain and he's talking about the elites. Male and femail are the distinctions of nature, he wrote, good in bed the distinctions of heaven. But how a race of men came into the world so exalted above the rest and distinguished like some new species is worth inquiring

into. And whether they are the means of happiness or of misery to mankind. And this is his enjoinder to take a ride with him as he rips the monarchy and he rips the elites. And what's fascinating is the king's response, because here's what the king writes. In reply to the men who wrote the Declaration of Independence. He wrote, when the happy and deluded multitude. So this is what he's called our founders and the Americans who were for the

patriots. He might as well have written deplorable right. Oh absolutely, he says when he and this is his threat and promise, because he's basically saying, we're already fighting, by the way, at this point when we wrote the declaration. In the midst of the fight, he says, against whom this force will be directed shall become sensible of their error. He's saying, Look, I know, once we come, you'll get sensible. You are just deluded. Temporarily, he says, I shall be ready to receive the

misled misinformation. I'll be ready to receive the misled with tenderness and mercy. You poured dumb butts. Right, you put and in order to prevent the inconveniences which may have arived from our great distance. That's why you don't you have lost your mind. You're too far from us. And to remove as soon as possible the calamities which you suffer, I shall give authority to all persons under my rule to spot to grant general or particular pardons and indemnities immediately.

In other words, you still have a chance to bail out, you idiots. Of course, this rallied, this rallied the patriots, rallied the country. And by the way, when you start calling us deplorables and racists and everything else because we simply want to govern ourselves, well, you're going to make a lot more Americans Conservatives. Yeah, Ted Thomas Paine was like the conservative, the lone conservative voice with his pamphlets and his common sense and

the like at the time of the Revolutionary War. I mean, we have those people today as well. But again, they're kind of like a voice in the wilderness a lot of times. And you've got to you had a screen pretty loud to be heard above the den of the others who are just

willing to be compliant to the powers that be. Well, and I would just urge anybody listening to go. I've written a piece on this type in Leeha Bibe and Newsweek and Pain and you can actually read his writing and then go and read common Sense, because I am promising you everything we were fighting then for and again is exactly the same fight. Do we have the right

to govern ourselves? Who do want elected bureaucrats? The Who, the Gates Foundation, and all kinds of non governing bodies like the like the like the the World Economic Forum for the or the British, the British, French, German and European essentially the European Union. Who do we respond to the Paris Accords or the American Accords? This is what elections are about. Self rule. And these fifty pesty states who each have constitutions of their own, that's

America. You want to live in Berkeley, live in Berkeley. You want to live in Birmingham, live in Birmingham. If you want Cincinnati, live in Cincinnati. This is a huge, big swath of land with many different and beautiful ways to run your states and run our country. And that we are literally having the same fight we'd common sense. You'll be inspired to take up You'll be inspired to take up a mic We don't need to take up a bayonet. Take up that microphone. Share Thomas Paine with friends. They'll

love it absolutely, Lee have bee By. I love our American stories. You guys continue to crank out great, great profiles of great Americans and others on a regular basis. And I just love the format of what you do. And you talk about you want to live in Berkeley. I don't know who wants to live in Berkeley right now. You want to live in Birmingham.

And you were talking about you want to live in Cincinnati. When I first moved to this area in nineteen ninety four, I lived in Lots of people love Cincinnati, and I, you know, by osmosis, because I'm here, I must love Cincinnati after being here for as long as I have, thirty years. But when I was living in Cincinnati in Ohio and I looked across the river at Kentucky and it was amazing how different just crossing that

river was when I moved to Kentucky. So you're right to have that freedom of movement and that freedom to determine how you're going to live where you live. That's that's the whole American dream. And a nutshell to me, and it is and the respect that we lived differently and choose to live differently.

If you want to live in a little apartment building in the middle next to Central Park and pay eight thousand dollars a month so you can walk on concrete to your office, it it's not my thing, but it might be your thing. I like my five acres and my thirty chickens. They might think I'm crazy. That's fine. You don't name your chickens though, right Lee. My wife and daughter named some of them, and I'm too old to you to remember their name, so certainly I can remember the chickens name.

Oh, thank you for being a part of our Independence week, Lee habib our American stories and the latest done, mister Thomas Payne, look for it. Thanks, thank you so much. Thanks Lee, Bye bye the Little Fish. And with all of the non fiction we've been featuring, but the fiction kind of hears current situations and points to some disturbing trends in a way

and maybe some things to watch out for. In the new book Revolution Empire, and we have its author Rob Travelino as our guest and couldn't be happier about that. So Rob let's get going. How are you. I'm good, Thanks for yourself, Thanks for having me on. I'm always good on Independence Week. Fourth of July is far and away my favorite holiday. Nothing

comes close except for Thanksgiving because I get to fix food and eat. But the fourth of July has always had a special place in my heart, and I think in anybody who really loves his country, it has a special place. So it's a great week for me. But it's great to have you on. And let's find out about Rob a little bit, because I was asking you and I really don't know a whole lot, and you said, well, there's there's a whole lot to unpack there, so so let's get

started. You started, what did you want to do originally in your life? Rob oh Man, a little kid wanted to be My dad was a minor league baseball player and scout. He was actually a great hitter. He hit I think his career he hit well into the three hundreds. But yeah, he's kind of short for he was a center fielder. He was kind of sure. You played for the Durham Bulls and was drafted into the Saint

Louis Browns organizations later became the Orioles, and he was. They used to have something called the Industrial Leagues in uh they used to you know, spont the sponsored teams that would play semi pro sure, and before he went to the Durham Bulls, he was a big star in the Industrial Leagues. But he was too short as an outfielder and they wanted him to play like infield, second base or whatever, and he kept saying, no, I'm an

outfielder, I'm an outfielder. And of course he never got he never got there, but he got, you know, got as high as what would be Triple A today. Ended up being a scouting for the Orioles. So you wanted to follow, you wanted to follow a Dan's footstep. Yeah, Unfortunately, I was a great fielder, but I wasn't the best hitter,

so my baseball career would have never went anywhere. But I also wanted to be an astronaut and a pilot, which I actually did some of that because I ended up with us for a period of time when I could when you know, it was a very expensive hobby, obviously too expensive for my career at the time, but I actually had some pilot license and was flying single

engine playing which was really fun. But it's it's it's a weird story because I went to school for journalism and literature and I studied psychologists, had all kinds of subjects, and I got drafted into of all things advertising and marketing. And I had a very successful career in the in the kids and teenage ad business, actually one of the biggest accounts in the world. I worked

on a lot of major chizes. But I know, we want to talk about the book, so it's really well, I mean, I got time, But I mean writing was always something that you had an interest in. Something like I said, you were a journalism major. Writing was always on your radar, and when did you decide to get real serious about that? I was serious, a little serious about it in high school because my creative writing teacher loved my work and she said I should be you know, I

should do some kind of writing. I think her quote was, you'll be doing yourself in the world of disservice if you don't write, because you really have a skill for it. Of course, it took me about, you know, twenty years to hear the register what she was talking about, but I kind of wanted to get into it in the journalism side. What kind of opened my eyes early on were a couple of things. When I went

to high school sort of noticed that American history. So I've got reach in history, writing early and researching because when I noticed that some of the I was in I was in a suburb of New York. Both my parents worked. My mom went back to school so they could afford to move from the

bronx to an more affluent suburb and get a house and everything else. But I noticed while I was there that I was being taught kind of and this is this isn't you know, this is a this is not that long ago, this is you know, this is in the you know, I was being taught like an apologist view of American history in high school, and I thought it was a little bit strange because that wasn't the way I was raised.

And so when I started doing my own research, I started bumping heads with my some of my teachers in that school, and you know, I sort of noticed what the agenda you know, in place to to you know, to sort of talk about everything that was wrong with the country as opposed to what was right about it. And it was odd because another thing that

happened was. I was cautioned a lot in that school environment that you know that people who people of people of religion, and especially religious schools were like you know, in doctrination factories. And I wasn't the greatest student in high school because I rebelled against a lot of what I was being taught and shown. I rebelled against sort of I don't know, structure and authority to some extent anyway, And I went to a Catholic college and I you know,

I graduated with a three point nine average. And it was, oddly enough, the Catholic school was the most open educational experience I had. I was able to challenge anything it was, We were able to discuss anything it was. It was. It was truly, you know, a representative education.

So it really opened my eyes. And when I got into the business world, I started to see sort of the corporate sort of, for lack of a better way to put it, the corporate control was was almost on to the level of tyranny back then, because they were segmenting and dividing the society

a certain way. And I tried to you know, steer the companies I worked with away from making money off of different segments of the population and looking at more universal stories and more universal themes like empowerment and self actualization and you know, building, building the life of your dreams, you know, conquering your fears, you know, all these aspirational, you know sort of messages. I said, that'll actually make you more money and sell you more things.

And it was a constant battle. In fact, my advertising career ended when I went against a very powerful entertainment company. No need to go into too much detail because it's a long story, but I basically critiqued a major franchise movie said that it was putting out all the wrong messages, and I was sort of asked off the business and made to go work on something else. And at that point I knew I'd struck struck a very correct nerve.

So I went into the entertainment world to do some of my own projects I

got. I did a TV show for Disney called Dragon Booster, and it was on the air for about three years, and I don't think Disney realized that the message of the show was sort of anti uh, letting corporations tell kids what to do with their lives, and they kind of let it slip by and I did another show that then I helped develop that won an Emmy award, and and at some point I butted heads in Hollywood too, because I just didn't like the agenda and the and sort of the underlying sort of

message, which which was more of the same. It was like, you know, we know better than everybody else, and we're we're you know, we control everything and you have to play by our rules. And that never, you know, stuck well with me, because this whole country was formed on not following someone's you know, mandates and rules, and you know, on individualism and individual rights and your ability to speak your mind no matter what the current fad or trend or agenda was. And uh yeah, I feel

like that too in radio. I've been in radio for forty four years, and you want to talk about, you know, going head to head with corporate dictates and and all of that. I've done that, and somehow I've still survived. I don't know that. Maybe they just haven't caught me yet. No, well, there's listen, there's good people everywhere, right, but the system tends to support itself and so where it makes money, it makes money. And when I started to realize as I sort of went through

everything. This is where Revolution Empire came from. It was originally being developed as a television series, and I sort of looked at the founding sort of

principles of the country. You know, this is during a time you know, this is during the late two thousands, you know, mid two thousand, mid to late two thousands, where you know, we were literally you know, we had we had you know, politicians on both sides were predominantly one side of the aisle constantly talking about you know, how the country was bad and the constitution maybe was bad and bill of it's only applied this way and and this was this and this and that, and you watch the erosion

of certain things. Oddly enough, you know, the when I was in college, actually right before I went into college, the the Chevron deference was was instituted, and it's you know, it's an interesting thing to watch be reversed because this administry and when I realized when I was when I was in

corporate America was the administrative state. I realized that we had you know, sort of pods of of of almost oligarch agencies, you know, using you know, law fare and regulations to to kill stifle punish or find anything they didn't. You know, ideologically, I think the reversal of the Chevron differential was the biggest decision of this session. I really do, Rob, sure, I I I completely agree with that, and you know, and and then and in terms of you know, what it did to I don't want

to, don't need to to jump ahead on the book. But what struck me with you know when I was writing the book was our rights and our privileges, which we're getting a bad rap for a long time. Took down at the time the largest colonial corporate empire on planet Earth. Amen. Amen, Rob, I'll tell you what I'm at breakpoint. Let's come back and talk about revolution empire in depth. Rob Travelino is our guest. It's Independence Week. It's fiction, but really is it. It's Rob Travelino's concoction and

it's out now a book that talks about a dystopian future. And I don't know how far into the future it is, but it takes on the Orwellian aspects that we have seen popping up over the last twenty years in this country and kind of there were some heroes who were railing against it. Rob, tell me a little bit more about revolution Empire. Sure, I'm happy to

and thanks again. So so here's you know, here's here's sort of like the you know, to expand on what I was saying earlier, like you had this revolution against you know, this incredibly powerful corporate you know, sort of global state, and at the same time it was an era of authoritarianism

and an oligarchy around the world. And this is a really unique experiment and a really unique idea because and this is something that we missed today in the discourse when we don't talk improperly about the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

These items were created not just to free a nation from what they perceived as economic, uh, you know, oppression and legal oppression and and literally let you know, like military impression at one point, but they were also designed for, you know, to be counters and checks and balances against human nature itself. The founder understood when you look at what they really did and you

read their actual letters. If you read the letters that were written back and forth between like Jefferson and Adams or Washington and Adams, and you see what these guys were struggling with and what they were really talking about behind the scenes, you realize they were setting something up that even would take the power or keep the power away from men like themselves, because the idea was no government

of people should ever hold that much power. And these guys, you know, people like to say that America was never even intended as a Christian nation, had no Christian beginnings. And meanwhile, if you read the letters again, they say a completely different thing. The Ten Commandments, the story of the Exodus, these things were really and you know, the New Testament incredibly important. The Founders discussed it. Most of the founders discussed these things regularly.

You know, there's letters between John Adams and Abigail Adams talking specifically about the Old Testament, about Moses and the Bible. John Adams even compared himself in one letter to his wife about you know, feeling like Moses and like, you know, being like you know alone, you know, as well as a leader and taking all these chances. You know, most people don't realize because they weren't taught that the Great Seal of the United States was originally

intended to be Moses part in the Red Sea. That was one of the first things that was put forth by a committee that I know included Adams and Jefferson and Franklin. I forgot who else was in it. But that's this is stuff that people don't know. They also don't recognize that the that the Bill of Rights and Constitution were literally designed to make sure that no people, no, no, you know, no nobody could ever rise to the level of an authoritarian or an oligarch, or use law fee or use any of

these things that we're using today. These guys understood that slavery was wrong. They were they they knew that the country would never come together without it for a limited time, but they put into place system, a system of laws and principles that they knew would destroy the institution. In fact, when the Civil War was fought, Frederick Douglas was a huge you know, a former former slave person. You know, had a North story newspaper and a lot

of people again don't get don't get taught this history. He was the fierce critic of Lincoln. Lincoln, he came to the White House. The White House guard wouldn't let him in because he was a black guy. At the door, Lincoln found out it was Frederick Douglas and said send him up,

got to meet him. They had a series of meetings. They weren't easy, they were difficult at first, but they came to an understanding over their mutual appreciation and respect for the Bible, and for the Declaration of Independence, and for the principles of the country. And they worked together so much so that when Lincoln was inaugurated the second time, he sought Douglas out at the reception at the White House and said, of all the people in this country,

yours is the opinion. Yours, it's your opinion that matters most. And when Lincoln passed away Maritime Lincoln gave Frederick Douglas Lincoln's favorite walking stick, almost like a Moses walking stick. And people don't recognize the power of these rights. So I looked at the world as a television series, idea, or as a book, and I said, how do I get the words and the intentions and the principles into a place where anybody can absorb them free

and clear of the political that charged political discourse. Right? So I based the story using all the founding players, from the British side, the American side, from the ranks of Native Americans, from the ranks of the enslaved, and I took their letters and their words and their speeches, and I based all the dialogue and the characters and the chronology of the story around their

actual words. There's journals in the book for all the main characters where a doctor Richard Franklin's name is, who's the ben Franklin character who works in the empire and as part of the oppression is undermining the empire. But he's writing the words and principles of Benjamin Franklin. And you won't know that by reading

the book unless you know your history. But you'll see that these principles and these thoughts in these conversations are incredibly important to what's going on today, and you could absorb them by watching them occur as opposed to learn them in a

history book. You can see them in action and like deeply personal. Well, Rob, you said something very telling is that a lot of people don't know this, and that is part of the way that we get back to what is supposed to be is by people understanding, fully learning, and wanting to learn that the Constitution was written to limit government, not to expand it, and to know so the government would not take away or be tempted to

take away the rights that God had given US Revolution Empire focus on the seventeen year old hero Donovan Washington Rush. I love the names. That's great. You said you have a doctor Franklin in the book as well, and his band of marauders who are railing against this this Marxi Marxist corporate or well like

tyranny that is going on in this in this future setting. And there are parallels to the British Empire like you mentioned earlier, and the kids and actually some of the adults recognize the layers of control that are benefiting the few at

the top. And god, we see the elitism everywhere today. You say that it's not as bad as nineteen eighty four yet, and you're you're encouraged, right, I'm encouraged because more people are aware of what's actually going on, Like you know, you won't, you won't see it unfortunately the media as a vestibly. And here's the thing too, Like I'm a I'm of a mind that I don't want to assume that everyone has a malicious intent. The problem is is that money and power are so incredibly utive that it takes

an incredibly strong character to withstand it. And anybody, again, we're all flawed, right, and we all make mistakes, so anybody can succumb to it. And in fact, you know, I gave it a look back

to my own life when I got very successful in advertising. You know, here I was studying the you know, the the techniques of Edward Brenets, and studying propaganda and studying behavioral modification and how to like you know, you know, convince people to set aside their beliefs to make choices that would that would benefit a client, right, And you realize at some point when you're doing that that not only are you doing something potentially very nefarious and dangerous,

you also recognize how the world has is starting to function that way or has been functioning that way. And that's what I decided, I'm going to use what I've now learned for good. And when you look at you know, through the years of like Marxism or or you know, or authoritarian regimes, they use all the techniques that advertisers use to convince, to browbeat, convince, cojol threatened, you know, isolate people to ignore what's right in front

of them and buy into something that serves very few. And so you know, those are all components that went into my head to do the book, because once we lose our you know, our our sovereign nature, once we lose our god given rights we have, we're enslaved. We're entirely enslaved, absolutely, and it's it's come close recently, and hopefully we can find our way out of it. Hopefully you can find your way to revolution empire. It is the book. Rob Travelino is the author, and it's what a

fascinating conversation with you overall, just learning about your life. I mean you've been through a lot of different phases and interesting stuff. Rob, thanks a lot, my pleasure, Thanks again for having me on. Is a good week for it? Yes, it is perfect. It's Independence week and it continues tonight. To talk to l Ponte, the widow of my friend, and to your friend if you ever heard him on the air with me,

and you're about to a loll Ponte. It's been a year and a half since Lowell passed and I like to every once in a while revisit conversations with Lowell Ponte. And that's what we're going to do, is we close this night cap out. Thank you for joining us once again, and in memory of all the greats we've lost, like Jim Scott, here once again is

Loll Ponte. It is the nightcap on Memorial Day evening. As we top things off this evening one of my favorite people in the world to talk to, an author, a media star, a great editor, and a fantastic friend, the great Loll Ponte. As we get into our final hour of this Memorial Day, May thirtieth, twenty twenty two, Gary Jeff low Ponte.

Good evening, Good evening, Gary Jeff. On this Memorial Day, the unofficial door into summer, Yes wonderful, is a day inspired by Confederate widows who were a dedication way right, Yes that was its original form, who would strew flowers not only on the graves of their own relatives and so

on, but also on the graves of Union soldiers. And that bipartisanship was a great inspirational gesture that began this day as a day of special memory, memorial of course, referring to memory, of course, today we are in another civil war that we don't even understand yet, a Marxist class war disguised as a race and gender war. So I thought we might talk a bit

about that absolutely as it were forward memory. Yes, yes, I mean, there couldn't have been any great division in the country then North and South taking sides and starting firing each other. So it was quite a great unifying gesture for these Confederate widows to decorate not only the graves of their husbands and brothers and sons, but to also show the same gratitude and remembrance for Union

soldiers who had died in the same battles. So this division, this civil war that you say, is going on right now before our very eyes, although some people still don't still don't recognize it or realize it is about. Really it's all about division. It's not about slavery, it's not about racism. It's not about the differences and genders or the fact that they think there may be fifty seven or one hundred and fifty seven different genders some of these

people. It's none of that is about unity, for certain, and it's all about trying to keep us at odds with each other. So please let me know. And as an example of just how vicious it already is, we have seen Joe Biden and his administration stand back from the protests at the homes of Supreme Court justices, even though there is a clear, explicit federal law making that a crime, meaning he could and should be sending in Justice

Department agents to arrest the people staging those protests. After all, there is one of the greatest threatening lines that can be spoken in English is I know where you live. Yeah, I know where you sleep, I know where your children are, where your spouse is, and so on. This is a very very terrifying threat. And that's exactly what these protesters manifest, what they show up at the homes of Supreme Court justices. Meanwhile, well,

how does this break from quote unquote peaceful protest. Why is it different? Well, it's explicitly protest outlawed by federal law, right because it is an attempt to By the way, there is also a federal law that if you were trying to deliberately intimidate anyone else, theoretically including elected officials, by going to their homes, that also would be taken as a serious threat. You're more than welcome to go protest in front of the Supreme Court, but not

where people live in sleep, Yeah, I guess. And if they are a high government people called on to make a decision, We've already seen, for example, representative Steve Scalice, who was shot by a Bernie Sanders supporter, a socialist, And so we know this can be quite dangerous. And what's frightening is what was Joe Biden really doing, Whether consciously or unconsciously. He was saying, you, people who feel outraged to the point of insanity,

I want you to go to the homes of Supreme Court justices. He named only the conservative ones, of course, and if they happen to get shot by some fanatic and get killed, yes, I Joe Biden imperfectly willing and ready to name their replacement from the roster of far left judges. In other words, we literally are having a president of the United States stand back and allow an act of criminal violence to take place in hopes. Dare I say, at least in the possibility that this will lead to the murder of

one or more Supreme Court justices who Biden can then replace. I mean, it's a terrifying, a new dimension from politics, the way he is going from ballots to bullets. So he didn't verbalize telling them, but by his acquiescence, by his inability to enforce federal laws and statutes in keeping these threatening actions from happening in front of Supreme Court justices Homes. He did basically the same thing he's been doing at the southern border ever since his inauguration, and

you know, putting the welcome. He didn't say verbally, yes, we're going to open up the border, but by his actions he has said this very loudly ever since he's been president. That seems to be the implication. Yes, and he is without checking, without qualification, allowing in potential murderers, potential people carrying deadly disease, all kinds of problems that would not be

tolerated if this were Americans getting aboard an airliner. But if they're getting aboard one of the Biden air flights at four in the morning, going to secret destinations to have the country seated with a huge number and we're now going up to about eighteen thousand a day, these people being scattered across the country to take the place of those who are there. Now understand that this is a very bizarre action, especially since only today President Biden, or with it yesterday?

Was it Uvaldi yes yesterday? Noting the killing. By the way, he never has gotten around to going to that town in Wisconsin where you had dozens and dozens and dozens of people run down by a motorist deliberately, but he has done nothing, apparently because the motorist was of his political persuasion and the people who were victims were Christians, And Joe Biden has no time to visit those kinds of people, but he does have time to mark these horrible

schools shotings. And what are the school shootings? They are truly bizarre activity. Now, by the way, as we go into bizarre activity, understand what I mean by that. We now live in a country in which there is a systematic effort to emasculate American men. Only fifteen to twenty five percent of today's young people are fit for military service, would even be inducted into the military because they engage in addictive behavior. They engage and they have horrible

lack of fitness. Many of them are grossly overweighted, yes, grossly obese at an excellent point. And not only are they subjected to the addiction of drugs, which is now more common than in the past, but these people are addicted to something far more dangerous than drugs. You will notice the Uvaldi shooting shooter, for example, Salvador Ramos posted three times on Facebook that he was about to shoot kids at a school, that he had shot kids at

a school. I mean, he was seeking the one thing left for people to strive for in a godless moral less age, and that is fame. Fame for is apparently now interchangeable. Just as you can be famous for being a good guy or a bad guy as a movie star, you can be famous for being a bad guy in life, yep, for going out and actually killing people. Look at these young people. Well, there have been two mass shootings where twenty or roughly twenty students were killed faculty members were killed.

One is, of course, the horror at Uvaldi, which began with the killer shooting his grandmother yep, and then going on to shoot students. Likewise, at Sandy Hook in Connecticut, Adam Lanza killed his mother, who he said, love the students more at Sandy Hook than she did him. So in both cases these were strong reactions to the dominant female that these males

perceived as running their lives. Now why is this important, Well, there has been a very recent study you doubtless noted by Professor Paul Zach, the director of the Center for neuroeconomic studies at Claremont Graduate University, and what they discovered. They're always trying to find are there chemical changes in the human body that relate to economic or social behavior, And what they found is that if you give today's young men additional testosterone, they shift from being a democrat at

to Republican. I'm not I'm not saying i'd not seen this study. That's that's incredible. This is an amazing study. You must you must find it out. Uh. It was actually described as a study on red shift, in this case red meaning going to the Red Party the Republicans, but also moving away from the red ideology that now dominates his and has hijacked the Democratic Party. Hmm. It's amazing. So so those are the two major gun

killings recently, and of course we could go into much more detail. The reports that the killer at Uvaldi, for example, war Eyeliner at Valdi at Uvaldi uh tended to dress all in black as if he were a member of the Marxist terrorist group Antifa. They're all kinds of odds. Things were not

being told about this. But then we've had to go this long just to learn that police may not have been as enthusiastic about going in with force as they had been, as we now live in the culture designed to emasculate people.

Indeed, I was talking with my friend Dan Was from Goodgunbadguy dot com earlier this evening lull, and I also brought up and he was glad I brought it up that Joe Biden has definitely played a role in these school shootings because of his introduction of the gun free zones when a Senator in nineteen ninety during the Clint administration. And you noticed that all of these infamous school shootings have occurred after nineteen ninety in this country, we still had as many guns.

Before nineteen ninety, we still had people who had psychological problems. But after nineteen ninety and this this criminal bill that was passed by Joe Biden and introducing the gun free zones as in schools and other places, that is when the trouble actually began and to ramp up because the people who want to perpetrate this kind of evil know that this is a soft target, I mean by

federal law in many cases. And Rob Elementary in Uvaldi was another one of those quote unquote gun free zones like Parkland, was like Columbine was in Colorado. And you can look at at the school shootings you know, ever since nineteen ninety and the one common tie is the fact that they were designated gun freeze zones where teachers, administrators, anyone coming on to campus could not be

carrying a weapon to protect themselves in the students. And often it's not just the school itself, it is distance from the school of the a one thousand feet or zone. And the problem being suppose you're an ordinary citizen who just wants to take your old twelve gage shotgun from one location in a city to another. You don't even know where the schools are. There are private schools, there are you know, all kinds of potential places classed as schools to

whom that zone rule applies, but they're not clearly marked. There isn't some giant red color on the street or something that says go pass this line and you are in a school zone. You're in violation of the gun free zone part of that. And so the goal appears to be to make everything in the society a gun free zone. But the real fear here, as I

say, is not just drug addiction. To give you one quote from The Atlantic magazine, the United States is experiencing an extreme teenage mental health crisis. From two thousand and nine to twenty twenty one, the share of American high school students who say they feel persistent feelings of sadness or hopelessness rose from twenty six percent to forty four percent, according to a new CDC study, a government study, this is the highest level of teenage sadness ever recorded. And

why is it happening? Well, more than anything else, because of those little screens we live with, and particularly because of the systems of Facebook now called Meta and becoming a virtual reality for all of us and a few others. I'll give you some examples of just how frightening that has become as an addictive power in our society. All Right, I don't know how many minutes we have. We have We have about seven minutes left for this segment,

and we've got another full half hour. So go on, wonderful, rip into it. Baby. So, who owns Meta and Facebook? Or it was Facebook, it is now technically meta? Ink Mark Zuckerberg, one of the richest people in the world, is the son of a dentist and a psychiatrist. So he has combined pain and mind manipulation. He is the man who spent more than four hundred million dollars, for example, just to rig

the election for Democrats in twenty twenty in Wisconsin alone. He finally admitted that too after you know, after all the speculation of where was all this money coming from, and we know now that that is that is in fact the case go ahead. And like so many leftists, he feels entirely able to use whatever power or manipulation he has at his hand to change politics, culture, and human values in the United States, not by tv AD but by

literally putting the Democrats in charge of elections directly. This, of course some might question is it really democratic, But there it is. And Duckerberg has a long history of using Facebook to pry into people's lives, to accumulate vast amounts of information about every one of us, even if we're not Facebook members, the kind of information that he was doing first at Harvard as a student, when he would laugh at students and say, fools them, they trust

me, dumb, and then he used an F word variety. But he is not a tremendous fan of people who are willing to be manipulated by him, and they are indeed manipulated. That's the ominous thing. In the fall of twenty seventeen, Facebooks for President Sean Parker gave an interview to Axios in which he admitted that Facebook can override the free will of its users. The product is literally addictive. It was engineered to be that way, so work

hold on so work. Tobacco companies sued because they knew that nicotine was addictive, even though they told the public that it wasn't. And you know, the funny thing about nicotine is that technically it is not addictive. This is a debate I used to have as the science editor at Breeders Digest, where we were very very critical cigarettes. But technically, for a substance to be

addictive, you need an ever increasing dose of it. And what happens with most smokers is they get up to pack and a half two packs a day and they just stop. Yeah, they don't need an ever increasing Do they get enough satisfaction from that amount of nicotine and related chemicals? Yeah, are more than four thousand chemicals every time you puff on a cigarette. I will tell you that when I was an active cigarette smoker and I was for gosh,

almost forty years little I. Yeah, you're right. I mean I could smoke a pack and a half, two packs a day, no problem. But no, I didn't want anymore after that particular point, and it did not become an increasing kind of habit for me. So yeah, I'm agreeing with the research that is pointing out what you're saying. And so it

was not. And so you might ask, if not we know that people get hooked on cigarettes yep, or on nicotine, how is that to be described If technically it's not addictive because it doesn't even ever increasing dose, right, it is to be defined as severely habituating. Okay, that's the only difference. And this is where technically these cigarette executives were telling the truth when

they said, no, our product is not addictive. It creates an addiction of kai of a sort, but it's not technically classed as an addiction. So that's one of those little but you have to understand they put together Facebook to program the people using it in a way as Ramsey Brown, co founder of the firm called Dopamine Labs, describes as giving people a little hit of dopamine, that is it deliberately uses techniques to elicit dopamine bursts in the brain.

And what that means is that Facebook alters the brain. Wow. And if you think and if you think what you are seeing is bad, now, wait till it's meta. Wait till that's your old alternative reality where you live twenty hours. Yay, it's just spine chilling to think about that. Lol. Listen, we need to take a break for this half hour and we'll come back and close out. We'll continue this line of conversation and maybe get into a couple of more things before we're done. Tonight, it's Memorial

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