Gary Jeff Walker -- 9/4/23

Welcome to the Nightcap on Labor Day twenty twenty three, September fourth. Well, here we are. You made it past the big boom. You made it past I don't know, summer. That's great to be with you as always, Gary Jeff Wonker at the Helm on this Labor Day night. But kill the music, because this is not actually occurring. I'm not speaking to you from our studios on Labor Day. I actually put together a Labor Day night special called Gary Jeff's Favorites, and we're talking to some of my favorite

people about some of my favorite topics. Nothing that is necessarily up to the minute as far as current events and news items. Many things might have occurred from last Monday as I'm sitting here in the studio now on August twenty eight, and the Monday when you're hearing this program, which of course is Labor Day Night, September four, So we can make any kind of wild predictions we want about what may have transpired in the last week. Can act like

we're here in the present tense, but we're not on the lineup. And if I put together a Gary Jeff's Favorite nightcap with all of my favorite people and all of my favorite topics and all of my favorite places to highlight. This show would go on for probably a couple of days, and nobody wants to hear that, including me, But for tonight's purposes. On the nightcap, we will open up with a guy that has been a favorite of mine

for quite a while. He was responsible for repairing my beautiful nineteen forty one phil Gold radio, which still sounds as christ to two point oh my wife says like liquid gold thanks to this dude, a guy we call Old Radio Rick. He will join us first in just a few minutes to talk about another point in twentieth century history where radio played an actual role. We'll do

that. We'll be talking to, among other people, seven WLW Aviation and financial stock Trading Day guy Jay Ratliffe with his story and his story if you've never heard it is just phenomenal. It is a human interest story. It is a story of hope, It is a story of perseverance, It is a story of losses and ultimately wins. And I love Jay Ratliffe's story,

so we're gonna feature that this evening. Also, my friend Scott Powell, who was an incredible patriot and writer and opinion guy who has a book called Rediscovering America. We have featured Scott on many, many episodes of this program, and we will do that again tonight on Labor Day, and it's American roots. Was considered Labor Day kind of a It sounds like a commie holiday to me, labor unions and all that, but Labor Day is not about

labor unions first and foremost, and Scott will explain. Plus, we have old favorites, Andy Furman always a favor to talk to, Karen Cataline and Moore. We'll get you started with old radio Rick on the Nightcap Labor Day Night Special that was taped a week probably. Now here's the other thing. If the world is blown up since I recorded this, or we've become a communist nation, which we're well on the way to doing and have been for quite a while. Sadly, if any of these things, I may not

make it back from Florida. I mean, God forbid, God only knows, and I don't want to be macabre here, but I'm just telling you that this may be in fact my last broadcast ever because I'm simple not here anymore. I've gone home. We will see just entertaining that prospect is making some people very very happy. So I'm sure that God will let me live

so I can laugh in your face for laughing at my demise. Old Radio Rick coming up next on the Nightcap Labor Day Special on seven hundred wlw's seven hundred WLW Orange and Black Schedule Breakdown sponsored by Jake Sweetey Automotive, serving the tri State for over one hundred years. Plum Type Plumbing, heating, cooling and drains. Visit plumty dot com. No your host, Moe Egger.

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whatever the hell happened. Jerry Jiff's favors continue on this Labor Day on seven w l W. And one of my favorite folks by far is a guy that we affectionately call old Radio Rick. He calls himself that that's his email address, Rick Washburn, who's regular on my Saturday morning show. We talk

about old Radio's as fun as that can possibly be. But we've also did a series last year called American History on the Radio and had some big, big happenings, big news events that occurred in the twentieth century where radio played an integral role, or played a role for sure, in the dissemination of the news itself. And Rick has prepared something on the Titanic. Now, the Titanic April of nineteen twelve. You'd think there's really not that much proliferation

of radio at the time. But to explain and to talk for a few minutes tonight, Rick Washburn, how you doing, Ricky? Hey, I'm doing great, Gary Jet, Thanks for having me on again. Thanks for the nice end up. Yeah, did you did you throw up a little bit when you're at Selene dion No, I was too busy adding to the conspiracy theories about the Titanic that that captain was listening to Selene dion plenty decided to go ahead and crash into this. So so tell me, Rick,

Uh, We've we've got a few minutes here. We've got about I don't know, whatever, whatever it takes, we got a few minutes. So tell me about radio's role in well, I don't know, if it's a recovery, the rescue, the news of the Titanic. How did you relate that to radio in a kind of an American history on the radio sort of way. Well, oddly enough, what made me think about this topic was

when we talked about Amelia Earhart last year. Yeah, because the one detail that really stood out to me was one person in particular, but there were dozens of people that received transmissions from believed to be from Amelia's plane, no reason to think not so that the transcriptions of what was received were consistent. But nobody, no local authorities that the transmissions were reported to, saying hey, we just picked this up. We think it's Amelia and Fred and they're

in trouble, and go get them. Nobody would believe them. And then, of course, days and days later, when the real news came out of her disappearance and so forth, then it was I suppose too late to do anything about it. And there's some parallels there with the Titanic, but specifically the father of wireless radio, Googliermo Marconi, actually had been commissioned to build a room on the Titanic, the radio room, with all of his

own custom equipment to be able to send and receive the radio signals. And of course it was on Morse code back then, and you had to have certain people that were dedicated on shore two would be able to receive signals and so forth. Worth and that's fine, but several other of the ships were also commissioned to have since Marconi systems installed by the Marconi International Marine Communications Company. Yeah, you could have cut that down a bit there, Gugliamo.

But anyway, well you know the problem. The problem is if you've got a transmitter, you've got to have somebody with a receiver. And it's nineteen twelve, so please please continue. It's it's just like Alexander Graham Bell if if, as if Watson wasn't up in the attic, who would have known

it worked? But so Marconi was actually given a free ticket to write on the Titanic, but his daughter says that he decided to go on to RMS Lusitania three days earlier instead because he had a lot of paperwork to do and he liked their public stenographer better. Whatever that means. Wow, But so okay. So April fifteenth, nineteen twelve, enter under the scene. One fellow in Wales by the of Arthur Moore. He's born in eighteen eighty seven,

about twenty years old. He started constructing all kinds of antennas and home grew cobbled together a rudimentary radio state equipment, and he never had enough power to run the thing, and so he just cobbled up a generator that would run by the mill that he was working at, and then got so good at that that he ended up supplying a battery charging power to the farms that surrounded him, and he and his electrical engineer Buddy Richard Jenkins arguably had the

first use of amateur wireless for the actual business purposes in Wales, which was when he received an order over the year for grain to be delivered from the mill to Jenkins Farm. And at that point the mill didn't really mind too much about him screwing around with their equipment so much, but anyways, more often defied his father. He'd see a late early hours of the mornings go

forth listening to signals, mostly from naval and merchant ships. And he made front page news in nineteen eleven when he somehow intercepted a transmission from the Italian Italian government declaring war on Libya in that year, and when that was proven correct, suddenly he he actually had some you know, some good reputation with the locals. Okay, So nineteen twelve comes along and in the early hours of April fifteenth, in the loft of his seventeenth century mill near Blackwood,

Monmouthshire, uh he received a faint signal and again Morse code. What it said was CQD CQD ss mGy position forty one forty four north fifty dot two four west. Require immediate assistance, come at once. We have struck an iceberg sinking. We're putting the women off in the boats. And as he's scribbling all this down, another transmission came out and said women and children in

boats cannot mount match cannot last much longer. And as he's trying to keep the signal, as it's fainting away, he hears finally come as quickly as possible, old man or engineer room is filling up to the boilers. Wow. So he was receiving these emergency transmissions from the Titanic, and he's in Scotland or England, where was it. He's in Wales and three thousand miles

away from the Titanic. And it was believed, and I think it was Marconi's on calculations that said, hey, this transmitter four hundred miles during the day two thousand and dark. That's the best you're going to do. And he's three thousand miles away. And when he tried to report it to local authorities, they all scoffed at him and first of all said, what does SS even mean. However, a few days later when the actual news came out, it was clear that apparently, yeah, this was totally legit.

Because CQD was the standard British distress call SS was only used by the US starting in nineteen o nine, was the first time it was officially used, and the fact that both were being used suggested that, yeah, this is legit. And there were actually other ships in the area that had mark Cony

equipment that could have picked them up. And there's a lot of speculation from everything from oh it's dark outside, I'm tired, so they turned the radios off to other situations where some boats were closer, but they tried to get there. They didn't have enough room to bring very many survivors on board and having help him if they pulled up and there were hundreds of people and then they sank also from being overrun. So Mark mark Cony could have very well

been one of the victims of the Titanic disaster. It reminded me of the coin flip on the aircraft with Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper and Richie Vallens and Waylon Jennings loses a coin flip and therefore we have Whalen Jennings. But we don't have Buddy Holly big Bopper or Richie ritchie Vallence anymore. That's the same thing with Tommy Shannon and Stevie ray Van. We have the Tommy Shannon bass player and will Stevie ray absolutely, but yeah, it's exactly the same

thing. And I guess he had a crush on the Stenographer and the Lusitania. I don't know. There was. There was rapid advancement in radio technology right after the Titanic disaster. I mean, they already had the radio equipment that, as as we know now was picked up in Wales, the distress signal picked up in Wales three thousand miles away from the North Atlantic. And

how did things move after that point? Did radio become a standard install on these big cruisers after the Titanic, well, for the for the most part, for ships that actually could afford them and so forth, Yes, because it proved to be viable Number one, number two, It did definitely start a precedent of people taking it far more seriously and having more people listening for even regular transmission, if not distress calls, and trying to do something about

it. It also proved that you know, Marconi's inventions certainly did work, and it was reasonably practical, of course, and it also showed that the radio could carry a lot further away than the line of sight that you would need for the flares that the Titanic was was shooting off. And that was a you know, another a great point to uh, to make it happen.

You mentioned, you mentioned the great Gigliermo Marconi, And I've never really asked you your thoughts on the argument that many people make, arguably with some validity, that it was really Tesla that was the father of modern radio and not Marconi into it. How do you come down on that personally? That's a that is a loaded six hour questions. Okay, well, well we've got it. We've got about three minutes, so go. You know, you know, honestly, Marconi, Edison, they both were, and and

and later RCA. Sarnoff. Some of these folks were Maybe they were brilliant businessmen, but they were pretty much jerks. And you know, the Fleming who invented the vacuum tube after reading over some of Edison's notebooks, and Edison discovered something but didn't understand it, and Fleming created the the oh gosh, what is the diode valve. Basically, this is a vacuum far better than a cat's whisker. And Edison tried to block him from getting patents because he's

the one that wrote it down even though he didn't understand it. The patent office said, no, Flaming, you can't patent this because the this is already commonly understood art as they called it. And then lead to Forrest invented the tryout or that the power tube from that, and he was blocked from getting patents or tried to be blocked by by Flaming because they are invented the

tube and I couldn't get patents for that. My point of bringing up Flaming is that he was actually the genius power engineer, much like Teslu was the the genius electricity guy. Fleming did all of Marconi's work for the Transatlantic transmission experiment, and and Fleming was told by Marconi, Hey, if this is successful, I'm going to take the credit, but I'm going to give you five hundred years a stock in my company. Well, pure enough, Marconi

took all the credit, but those shars never showed up. Well, I've heard some of the horrendous stories about Thomas Edison and what a what a jerk? He was stubborn. I wouldn't say he was genius, but he was stubborn. Well, we're standing on the shoulders of jerks, apparently, listen, just got to start somewhere. I will be forever in your debt for the wonderful job you did with my forty one Phil Coo. We mentioned it from time to time because that's really what was the basis or the start of

our friendship. And I'm glad it's continued through all these years. And I'm glad to have you on Saturday morning for a little chat and a reception report with the latest great antique radio you happen to be working on at any given time. Rick Washburn, thanks for being part of the Labor Day Gary Jeff's favorites, the Titanic. If anybody had believed in radio, radio would have

played a more important factor perhaps indeed. All right, man, it is my pleasure as always every time, and thank you so much for everything to do. You got it, buddy, Thank you very much, Ricky Washburn, Old Radio. Rick Tonight on our special coming up next, we'll talk to Jay Ratliffe. Well now, actually Scott Powell is up next Jay Ratliffe. A little bit later on in the show, I'm getting ahead of myself

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I'm tarn Johnson News Radio seven hundred WLW. The two most sought after, most prestigious names in bridal jewelry come together for one epic event this weekend in Genesis. Welcome back to the Nightcap Labor Day Special. It's special because well of the people that are included in the program, and this guest is definitely

on that list. I was going to call this show Gary Jeff's Favorites, but then the show would have to be about I don't know, maybe two or three days long, if I had everybody that I enjoyed talking to, because I make it a point with this show to talk to people that I really enjoy hearing from I don't necessarily agree with all of them, but it's always magic because we just have good report and chemistry, and this man is

certainly one of those folks. It is Labor Day, so I thought no thing better than to get a patriotic, god fearing historian on the program to talk about it. He's the author of Rediscovering America, is the best selling book in the history genre. He is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute and writes for The Federalist. Welcome in, Scott Powell. Good evening, Scott, Well, thank you, Gary, Jeff. It's a pleasure to

be with you in your audience. It's always it's always a great conversation Rediscovering America, just as a recap for folks who have not heard us on the air before Scott, and after so many appearances, probably there's one or two left, but anyway, for that, Rediscovering America is about how, and

it's based around the holidays that we celebrate in this country. It's really yet to why it's an essential book and belongs in everyone's shelf is because it tells America's story from the point of view of why and the big The big part of that, why is that had a hand right from the beginning of the Pilgrims and the Puritans, and then all of our every period thereafter, certainly

you know the Civil War period. After the first we had the founding and the founders, of course were Christian, and they didn't create a Christian nation per se, but they applied Christian principles to the formation of the fulfillment of the Declaration of Independence. How could we get the declaration put into governmental form?

And that was the Constitutional Convention and the most widely read book that was cited more in the debates for the Constitutional Convention with none other than the Bible. These people were God fearing people, and they knew they were very idealistic because they wanted to empower people to be all they could be. But they recognize that people are sinful, they have flaws, and that power corrupts money and power corrupts. So they decided we need to check and balances to mitigate

the corruption. And they then divided the country between the federal government and the state government. Oh and by the way, they added things in the constitution like, uh, the impeachment clause and the emoluments clause that no one in government should receive any money, uh while they're serving, they certainly shouldn't receive foreign money without permission of Congress. So I think Joe Biden's in a bit of trouble. That's a that's that's a that's that's another discussion, trouble on

many fronts. Please continue. Yeah, So, after we had a you know, the founding was just absolutely profound, and anyone that doubts the hand of God being in our founding can just look at little anecdotal things. For instance, Uh, you know, we we are. First president, of course, was George Washington, then it was John Adams, and then it was Thomas Jefferson. And it turns out that Jefferson and Adams were they differed,

they had they had some arguments with each other. But do you know that they both died on July fourth, on the fiftieth anniversary eighteen twenty exploration. Yes, yep, of the of the declaration of an event. Both of them died on the same day. And for those doubts say, well it statistically it's unlikely, but it could happen. Well, then God wanted

to hammer the point home because the fifth president of the United States. That was James Madison who stood, who sat in the seat behind George Washington and crossing the Delaware and carried the you know, carried the American flag. James Monroe was our fifth president. He died on July fourth. Also, wow, So that's what are the odds. A statistician would put those in the

one in the millions somewhere or or more. Absolutely So, I'm not a mathematician or statistician, but you're right, it seems like a very odd coincidence.

If it's a coincidence at all, that's right. So anyway, the purpose of the book is to tell this great story, and I decided to when I realized the holidays were so rich with backstories, and I could tell all the important stories that American people need to know by explaining these these backstories of history, how God's hand was involved at every stage of America and up

through the civil rights movement. I think that when we drove prayer out of school and then we legitimized abortion, homosexual marriage, and so it's been all downhill really since the nineteen sixties. But most of our main holidays were you were stabbed, Martin Luther King was the last major holiday, and he of course gave his life for the civil rights movement. But Labor Day is sandwiched in all that, and people say, well, what is it really,

you know, what's Labor Day all about. It's a vague It's a rather vague holiday, you know, without the clarity and meeting typically associated with some with most of the other holidays. But in its most complete context, Labor Day should be recognized as the holiday that celebrates not only labor, but also the ideas, the job creators, and the institutions central to the flourishing of the United States and its people. You know, for starters, let's think

about it very simply. For starters, consider the tools that were brought by colonists who arrived in the New World along the eastern seaboard of the United States, which would later become the United States. These were just colonies back in the in the sixteen hundreds. Now, these tools that they brought were the same rudimentary tools such as shovels, axes, hoes, and plows that had

been used for prior centuries. But something happened in America that sped up economic development and transformed labor output beyond what had ever happened previously in human history, and colonial Americas certainly benefited from the act that the early settlers were self selecting group of people. Right they chose to come here, and they were willing to leave the familiarity of their European homes and cross a very dangerous ocean.

Because they were tough and willing to sacrifice and taste take risks. These settlers were predisposed to forego immediate gratification and to work hard, and they not only prospered, but within a generation or two, particularly in the Puritan settlement in Boston, many of the descendants a chief surprising wealth that in many cases was created from nothing. In addition, in contrast to today, what stands out

about towns and cities in colonial America was the relative absence of poverty. There was no poverty among the Puritans. You never saw anyone sleeping on the street or with their hand out because all you know, they all could work, they could prosper. There was opportunity, you know. And when we think of the great commentators on America, I think Alexis to Totel is really one

of the most remarkable. He wrote Democracy in America in the eighteen forties, and he pointed out that in contrast to Europeans, Americans regard work as positively honorable, in part that was undeadily attributed to the Christian influence in America.

Do you know, does your audience know that the Bible makes more than four hundred and fifty references to the value and importance of work, specifically referring to work as a virtue more times in scripture than it refers to other virtues such as prayer, faith, hope, joy, forgiveness, mercy, grace,

or peace. Can you believe that thus it was and still should be widely recognized that work is good for the soul and necessary to a fulfilling life with dignity and meaning you don't want it in another way, Scott, and I know you've got so much more and we've got just a limited amount of time.

But yeah, I would just mention that there's this move to a four day work week or you know, working from home, and again it seems to be in direct conflict with what you were talking about that was set forward at the beginning of this great experiment we call the United States of America. Well, let me describe why why what work really Why? Why is really good for people? Why? It's it's totally aligned with God's purpose, God's purpose for our lives. God was a creator, right, we know that

God is the master creator and we are the pinnacle of his creation. We are created in his image and likeness. Therefore, if God is a creator, we are creators. And where can we best show our creativity? But in in work by what we do, and and creativity isn't always you know, like the artistic creativity. It's finding better ways to do things. It's creative, it's you know, this is what entrepreneurial. Entrepreneurialism is all about.

It's it's finding better ways of of of combining uh talent within a with within a you know, business structure that can have a new, new, a new kind of result. So, you know, creativity is you know, is a very important part of why we work. And we find meaning

through our creativity. So I think people that are that are doing simple labor, particularly if it interfaces with the public, they can find a lot of meaning by being really helpful to their customers, going out of their way to ask them questions and see if you can't you know, upsell them or point them in a new in a direction that solves their problem. And uh,

and the story of capitalism is so remarkable. One of the stories that prospered the most was one in which some of the employees referred their customers to another competitor because they didn't carry what they wanted in their story. Miracle st Yes, that's the story. It's a great Christmas story, isn't it. Yes, it is. So I would say, there's just a close on this.

You know, there's a new narrative about labor day, and you know why we commenorate all who labor, it makes sense to also celebrate the entrepreneurs and the intermediaries who create jobs and new labor opportunities that come out of launching new business ventures. So America has always been the most entrepreneurial nation in the world. And when we go to a four day work week or we look to have more leisure time, the chances are we're going to lose a little

bit of that entrepreneurial drive, if you will. Yeah. So it work is service and God calls us service, God calls us into service. And you're talking about trying to do to go the extra mile to make their customers sat and to help their customer be satisfied with the work that is that God

has given us to do. And so but again, those things that stand in the way of the entrepreneurial spirit that you're talking about, uh, you know, increased taxes, increased regulations, a government coming down on people creating things that is actually anti God. And we I mean, Ronald Reagan saw that, Donald Trump saw that with the elimination of regulations and lower taxes, and the other side just fighting tooth and nail against that because they think there's

a better way than God. It sounds almost Luciferian to me. Well, it's true too that as corporations get larger and larger, they actually favor more regulation because the regulation always puts a greater burden on the small startup company than it does on the well established company. So, you know, I remember when this unerous regulation was passed called Sarbaines Oxley. It was passed after the two thousand and eight financial collapse that overlaid all these new regulations on accounting within

corporations. And I was, you know, I wrote a major article on it, was published in the Wall Street Journal, was published in Barren's Financial and basically in my research, what I found was that big companies sort of didn't really object to it because they could see that Sarbaines Oxley regulations would really kill their their young upstart competitors, and it would help keep their business base

secure. So it's sad to say that people will act in their self interest corporately more, you know, more than perhaps what an ideal economy that's just based on competition of merit and ideas. Ultimately, it is merit and it is ideas that should drive the economy, and it shouldn't be politics or regulations that drive the economy. Scott. Again, another component of what you're talking about happened in twenty twenty during the scammed demic lockdowns big business, the box

stores, they didn't suffer an io. They got richer, they got wealthier. Look what happened to mom and pop shops, to the small individual entrepreneur and business person in this country, whether they be restaurants or florist or any of the other businesses that were considered quote unquote non essential by the government, it was still a consolidation of power right there at the top. Whether it's a corporation or it's a government that is inherently evil and antithetical to the American

founding father's vision for this country. Is it not? Absolutely? Absolutely? Let's think about this, don't you think when we reflect back on the last three and a half years that have been a huge imposed, a huge hardship, Americans are going through a difficult time. There's clearly something fundamentally wrong about what has gone down with outcomes in the last three and a half years. These are the COVID years, and they're namely the Biden years. There's something

really wrong. Most Americans have become significantly poor. Many businesses got shuttered and closed, the smaller businesses, while the elites like Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos of Amazon, Mark Zuckerberg Facebook, Elon Musk who's a hero of some people on the right, but he really prospered, Anthony Fauci, they've all become fablishly richer during this time where everyone else has become worth There's something fundamentally wrong with that. But worse, you know, America has become a nation of

justice disparity. We no longer have equal justice be you know, before the law. Anyway. That's another that's that's that's for another another talk show. Let's go into that. Another shows two minutes here anything any other thoughts on Labor Day since we're here now, Well, I think, among profound things,

I think, what's exceptional, uh about the United States? You know, we've had we've had one constitution for two hundred and thirty four years, and while the average length of other nations constitutions would be less than twenty years. What accounts for our nation's longevity making America truly unique and exceptional is found in the Declaration of Independence, which established that citizens have unalienable, God given rights that cannot be taken away by the state. You know, the founding

of the United States was an exceptional moment in human history. And because those ideas can't be canceled or rescinded try as the establishment will, this so called deep state, our country remains exceptional. And Labor Day really celebrates American exceptionalism through the work and the accomplishments of our really incredible, diverse people. But we've got we've got to defend it now because we're under attack more than ever before. And you know, there's rumors of you know, a new probably

it's a man made virus. Just as the first one was a new pandemic, new regulations, masking lockdowns. We have to resist all of that, absolutely civil disobedience first, Scott listen, that put to God a great bow on our conversation. So thank you so much again. Folk who have not seen the book Rediscovering America, check it out. Scott Powell the author, and God bless you and thank you for being a part of this nightcap Labor Day special. It continues in moments after the top of the hour here on

seven hundred w l W to receive forgiveness. It's a great gift and blessing. It's not an afterthought. Well. September fourth, twenty twenty three, Gary Jeff Walker back with you and it's Gary Jeff's Favorites. That's the theme

of tonight's show and leading off this hour. One of my favorite people would talk to you on the radio anywhere about anything, and he's also very very popular all over the country as he does aviation reports and talks a little bit about his financial day trading stock thing that he's got going on and has been very successful. It teaches a class on it, or did for quite a

while. The one and Only Jay Ratliffe and I wanted to have Jay on tonight because he has such a compelling, heart wrenching at many cases and successful story. And you don't get to be a Jay Ratliffe without going through what they say in Shawshank Redemption three hundred yards of whatever to get clean on the out on the other side. I don't know if that's an apt reference or not, but Jay, welcome to the Nightcap. It's great to have you

back, my brother. It's it's a good beer. Yes, I think that is a very appropriate analogy, but I would be remiss at not on this day. Wishing my parents happy anniversary. Today's number sixty two for them. Oh yeah, happy anniversary to my beloved parents who believe me with me growing up, had to put up with a lot. Oh yeah, well my mom, my mom and dad had four boys. I was the oldest. Why why why they kept on trying after me? I have no idea, but it's always good to talk to you, my friend. Good to

talk to you. I wanted to because one of the most like I said, compelling stories anyone has ever told that I've heard while I've been hosting a show came from this guy, Jay Ratliffe, and it was about just your struggle to follow your dream and the things that you went through preparing for the person you are now. And if you can just take us back to the beginning and what happened after that, we'll get in as much as we can in the next fifteen or sixteen minutes. O kJ go ahead, Well,

Gary Jeff, I'll give it my best. But you know, I grew up watching my dad, who was self employed. He was a builder, built a lot of homes in the Indian Hill area. He built the ATP Tennis Stadium they're in Mason, built homes for a lot of the professional athletes who would come to town, an ac low pets, whole bunch of people that I got to growing up, and I thought, you know, I want to I want to have my own business of some kind as I grow

up. Now, the more I sent time with my dad outside, I knew, no, construction is not what I want to do moving forward. So at eighteen years of age, went to work for an airline in Monroe, Louisiana, right out of high school, and from there I began the process of learning the industry. In October nineteen eighty one, forward and Harry

Jeff the people that I was around had backups. In other words, we would get laid off in the industry frequently, because back then airlines would have good years, bad years, and we were constantly being laid off rehired. Especially when I got into management. It was just a matter of when was it going to happen. And there were some people that owned businesses like beauty salons, or people that had horses, or people that had other forms of

a backup, and I didn't have any. So through the eighties I was kind of thinking, I would I really need to have something so that the next time we have another round of layoffs, I've got something to fall back on, kind of a revenue stream. Plus I still it always wanted to be my own boss. And that's when in nineteen ninety two I got to hurt somebody on the radio talking about how the stock market could be looked at as a business and use as a business. And I'm not gonna lie it

to you, Garrett Jeff. I thought that was the dumbest statement I ever heard in my life. I thought, there is no way you can take something as random as the stock market and use it as a business. Consistently.

There was just no way to do it. While I was intrigued enough that I started to do research in nineteen ninety two, and the more I did, the more I became even more intrigued, and I just kind of continued the study up until the point that I was at the time a general manager for Northwest Airlines overseeing several stations, and Northwest showed up one day and said, Jay, we gave our mechanics thirty five percent race. We're cutting

five percent from every department. So they offered me several positions that I would not take to leave the Dayton station where I was a position. So my position was eliminated, and that's when I decided to take my part time love of the stock market and make it full time. And I thought, you know, I've pretty much already got it figured out, so yeah, let's

just do it. So I moved into the travel lodge, which was right at the Dayton International Airport, Room one twenty one, and I figured i'd be there five six months, have this day trading stuff down, and the way I'd go. But again, arrogance being what it is, didn't serve me well because I wasn't there for five or six months. I was there for ten years, and the only way I could feed myself was I delivered Wall Street journals, New York Times in the Dayton Daily News in the morning

from about four in the morning until seven thirty. I'd get back to the motel sleep from seven thirty till nine thirty in the morning, and then I'd watch the stock market from nine thirty until four. I'd go to a place that built GM car seats from five thirty until two, which would allow me

to circle back to the place where the news papers would come in. And I just kind of continue that cycle every day the week for the most part, six days a week or so, and I was living on two to three hours of sleep, and I'm going to say, you're almost in a twenty four hour day at this point. Okay, it was. And I was making a fraction of what I made at Northwest Airlines. And a lot of people are very close to me who did not know where I was living

at the time because I didn't tell anybody. I said, Jay, why aren't you going back to work for the for the airlines that you were good at it? And I said, yeah, but there's a ceiling. It's corporate America. The minute they get tired with you, they're going to kick you out the door. I don't want to go through that again. And

I'm dedicated right now just trying to make this thing happen. But Gary, Jeff, when you were in a motel room where you know, when it snows, the snow's blowing underneath the door, and you're kind of by yourself. I had my daughters, but they lived with my ex wife over in Springboro, and when I had them, we would go to my parents' house

in Lebanon. They never ever saw that small, little hundred and twenty foot square room that I was in. But there were many nights that I would go to bed and just kind of look up at the ceiling when I was getting two or three hours of sleep, thinking, Okay, I'm approaching forty years of age. I don't really have anything to show for it, and

what if my better days are behind me? And that's why when movies like In Pursuit of Happiness, which is a great movie with Will Smith and For the Love of the Game another great movie with Kevin Costner that documented, you know, certain struggles and things that people went through, they were hard for me to watch because that was kind of a reflection in the mirror. Even though those stories turned out great mine at the time it was tough. It

was emotional there. I would start to date someone. Of course, they want to know where you live. What do you tell them? Small place to hear the airport. They want to know what you do for a job. We'll deliver papers and doing this trying to make the sockmare at work, and it got to the point where it was it was difficult. But then

there was a year that everything clicked. My batting average got up to about seventy six to seventy eight percent, and I took two thousand dollars, which is all I had, and doubled it the next month, doubled it the month after that, and it just took off from there to the point to buy two thousand and seven and eight. I had a portfolio just about twenty five thousand dollars, and there were times I'd make one hundred thousand dollars in

ninety days. So it was something that just by flipping stocks quickly because I don't like risk. Because I used to buy calm Air stock, I'd buy it at like twenty dollars a year, it would drift up to twenty five, I'd sell it and then I'd wait for its come down. But the problem is I would beholding that stock for several months before it would recover. And I'm a very risk averse kind of guy, and I don't like risk

at all. So I thought, how can I reduce it? And I thought, well, put my money in the market for a shorter period of time. So the next thing I know, I'm learning how to flip stocks and as a result, making a whole lot more money than I ever made in the airline industry. And I remembered the prayer that I had in that motel room at the travel Lodge, Lord, if you can bless me,

I just want to be a blessing to other people. So it was a few years after that that I made the decision that I would start an online class that would allow me to teach other individuals that might be interested in You're learning how to use the stock market for quick games like that, And the next thing I know, it exploded into a business that's gone international. I

still do it. I've got students all over the world that I'm able to train, and I love doing it because I remember what it was like to not have any direction, any mentor anything at all. And I remember something I don't think I've ever told anybody this. There was a time when I was in that motel room, I knew of two former NFL or two former pro athletes that were doing quite a bit of stock trading. One was a kicker, Lee Johnson, remember yeah, and the other was the other was

Tracy Jones. I sent both of them all letter, never met him, didn't know them, and said, hey, if you can give me any advice in any direction, anything, I would because apparently they were pretty good at what they were doing. And I didn't hear anything back, and nothing against those guys, because Tracy and I are good friends now and I never met Lee. But the whole idea was to not have a mentor a coach, somebody that could help you learn the ropes, so to speak. It

was a matter of me just trying to do it on my own. And I'll never forget one day sitting in a car listening to Clark Howard, who I loved listening to on the radio. He's a he's a consumer advocate for he does a lot of stuff with seeing in another place, and somebody called and ask him about day trading, and he didn't say no or try to talk him out of it, but he just really thought, and maybe that's

not the way to go. And I remember the first year I made seventy five thousand dollars, I sent a copy of all my trades to Clark Howard, saying, had I listened to you that day, I never would be experiencing what I did the next day. Next year, one hundred and fifty thousand, Clark gets all of them. Next year to two hundred twenty five thousand. I did the same thing because the ability to work for yourself and go anywhere you want to go is a freedom that corporate America just can't give

us. But it all started with that incredible price of ten years in that motel room. And had you told me day one, Gary Jay, you're gonna be here for ten years, how to walk right out the door? I would have said, I'm not that tough. There's no way that Jay, I know, is tough enough to stick it out for ten years through blizzards, delivering a million newspapers over that period of time, rainstorms, freezing

weather. I mean, it was like a joke. It was like anything possible that could have happened to me during that time delivering newspapers and who has an owl fly in their window and get stuck in their vehicle? Me? You know, people walking around naked in the middle of the night, getting your car stuck in somebody's yard or in a nice store. I mean, everything that possibly could have happened that I could have used as Okay, this is God telling Jay it's over. I was just dumb enough to keep going

until the point that I succeeded. And that's why I tell people all the time, I don't care what you dreams. Don't ever, ever ever give up even though people say, now you've been doing this for a number of years. If you were going to do it, don't you think you would have achieved it by now? Don't listen to people. I mean, dreams are something that are out there that you know. Look, you had a dream, you followed it, and uh, you know, the idea that

you can achieve something that you think is impossible. You should never stand in the way of giving it. Giving it you're all And yeah, for me, the all was moving into that motel room, which was lonely, depressing. It was tough, Gary Jeff. There were times I'm gonna lie to you. I'd lay down and look up and say, you know, Lord, I know where I'm going. If something happens to me, I don't care tomorrow if I don't wake up. That's how depressed I got. And

I never thought about hurting myself. But the depths of depression you can get in being by yourself in that kind of an exhausted state, I totally get. And it never lasted long, but it was there, and when it was there, it was it was deep. And thank God, a few years later, after I got out of there and the business was going, I'm at Sherry, and you know, my life turned around and ways I

can't imagine. But now you know, you know, We've got a five thousand square foot home in Ohio, got a five thousand square foo at home down on the water in Savannah, And all of this comes from that dinky little room of a motel that used to stand up at the day International Airport. Well, you had to you had to crawl through three hundred yards of to get you and I both have have had those depressing times. Oh yeah,

yeah, yeah. So for me, I was telling that I was telling you the other day, Jay, when we talked about doing this interview in the show. Uh that at it was Thanksgiving of twenty thirteen. I just moved into a house by myself, and I had just completed serving Thanksgiving dinner to people at the bar where I work in Newport, which now I've done, jeez, every every year since twenty twelve, with the exception of

the COVID year in twenty twenty Thanksgiving of that year. Man. But uh, I had I'd been in bad relationships, bad personal relationships ever since. I had had separated and divorced from my wife Krista back in like two thousand and one. And I got home and after all all these people tell me how much they appreciated my work and my effort for that day, it was kind of like every the air went out of the balloon when I was home alone by myself, and I go and you know, I don't have anybody

to share this with. And I thought the same kind of thoughts you expressed, is like, you know what this is. I guess the end for me and I'll just I'll fulfill my obligations to the end of the year, and then I don't care what happens, and like I said, never overtly took any action to hurt myself from never made any plans to do that. But that depression lasted for maybe about five minutes and I went to sleep, and the next day I thought, well, something something, something's gonna something's

gonna click here. And then I met krista New Year's Eve just two months later, and my life completely turned around. And I think that everyone should know that there is hope, there is promise, there is a future if you, just as you said earlier, continue to follow your dream no matter what come, what may. All I ever wanted to be was on the radio since I was seven years old, and here I am, all these

years later, forty three years plus in the business. I'm still actively on the air, and so I'm grateful to God, and I'm grateful that I stuck with it. So I definitely understand that sentimentality or that that mentality.

Jay Rely, There's a lot of people that achieve a lot in their life and something happens, or find whatever happens, and they go from rags to riches and they turn right around and they go right back, And the reason they do is because they know what it takes to get from the bottom to the top. And for a lot of people that it's gifted given and they just come into it all a sudden. It just they just don't know how to handle it. They don't know the growth, they don't know they don't

appreciate it. I don't think the way that you really do if you build it from scratch. And I mean to this day, I'll be walking through our home in Savannah, where we've got water in the front, water in the back, just a beautiful place, and I'm thinking about that room in Vandalia. I still had the room key for that travel lodger and one too. Oh yeah, And in my office in Savannah, there's a copy on

the wall the picture of the travel lodge. Now they've since torn it down as part of a one of the car dealership's parking lot up there, but you can still see where the motel was at. But yeah, I stopped there frequently, even though the motel's not there. And the mixed emotions, and probably the scariest scariest I've got was recognizing how close I came on many occasions to stopping where somebody would say that knew more than me. Jay,

come on, now, you know this isn't gonna work. You've tried it. Okay, let's move on from people that I I mean CEOs from from huge fortune, five hundred companies that my family knew that we're trying to tell me. Jay, you know that this is you know, you know, hats off to you for trying. But and when I would hear people that I respected and admired and even held up on a pedestal as far as what they accomplished professionally, that was tough to ignore them and to keep going.

But those exact same people to this day say, Jay, I'm so glad you didn't give up, because if I did, you know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing. It's Jay, You're an inspiration to anybody who has dreams and uh and an inspiration to me. I'm still working on that first five thousand square foothouse. We'll see how it works. Jay, Rat probably shouldn't have shared that. I'm sorry, but I wanted for the sicket context. I wanted you got it. You got it,

and it registered with me. Our time is up unfortunately for tonight. But let's talk again soon, brother, Thank you so much. Looking for two pounds, Thank you much, Jay Ratliffe on the Nightcap Labor Day special Gary Jeff's Favorites. It continues in moments on seven hundred WLW the Red's Welcome to Saint Louis Cardinals Ebret's continuing. Not only am I talking to some of my favorite guests that I've had all time on the program, but also talking about

some favorite places. And there was one of those that came front and center to my mind when I started thinking about what I was going to do with this show, and it was a place my wife Krista and I discovered. Gosh, it's been at least four years, maybe five years. The time gets away from you. But we were looking online. We wanted to try and a bread and bed and breakfast, not a bread and beakfast, but a bed and breakfast, and just looking online in Ohio and we wanted to

get some asphalt therapy, get out of town. There were bed and breakfasts around where we lived, but what's the point. I mean, if I want bed and breakfast at home, I'll just stay home and for COVID travel and the expense. So one of the places one of the first places that popped up bed and breakfasts at least within a day's drive was the Roseheart in in Mount Gilead, Ohio. And I'm looking at the pictures and I'm going, Krista, what she said, That's exactly what I was thinking about talking

about. We should try, we should call and see if we can get a room. So we called the Roseheart End and eventually got a hold of our next guest who was the owner with his wife of the Roseheart End, Scott Long, and we made the trip up there and it was just absolutely magical. A great Victorian mansion. You know. It's got the turrets, and it's got the winding staircases, and it's got the stained glass and the

leaded glass and the beautiful antiques, you know. And I would never own an antique, because I would I would cause its demise more than likely. But the only thing antique I really have is my nineteen forty one phil Cold Radio, which we were talking about earlier tonight on the show. But joining

us for a few minutes is Professor Scott Long. He's an anthropologist. He teaches sociology, social science, and the like, and he also owns along with his wife Cynthia, the Bed and Breakfast, the Roseheart and Scott. Good evening, Welcome to the show. Yes, thanks, and I would like to compliment your spoonerism, Bret and bexist rather creative, if I might say, Well, I haven't heard spoonerism in a long time, Scott, So that's good, Thank you. What do you think? No, yeah,

let's get back to the beginnings. What led you and your wife to say, hey, let's start a bed and breakfast in this beautiful, big Victorian mansion. What was what was the genesis of that? Well? Yeah, so the prospect of running at B and B was something we had always been passively interested in anyway, And we saw one other B and B in the neighboring town, and but this one turned out to be much more beautiful

and interesting in many ways. And it was already up and running. So it was being operated as a bed and breakfast at the time, Yes, yes, when when we when we bought it, So it had been going since nineteen eighty nine, except for a few remodels. Now the house was built in what year, eighteen ninety eight, So this is one hundred twenty fifth anniversary of the end the Roseheart End. Describe for folks how many how many bedrooms that you have that people stay in and then you guys also live

in the house in the back end of the house. Correct, okay, so how many how many has Yeah, it has seven bedrooms and six full bath, two half bath. That's a lot of plumbing, by the way, yes it is. We do rent for the rooms. No. What I was amazed by because a lot of bed and breakfast. You know, there's a communal bathroom or you know. But you guys, I just think you guys hit it out of the park because you've got the jet tubs in

the rooms, in the bathroom and it's just very very nice. And you think, well, I want to I want a nice claw foot bathtub. Well, you know, I'll take a jet tub every time. But the furniture, the furniture and the whole interior of the house is so true to a Victorian mansion in eighteen ninety eight Victorian mansion. You this has got to

be. And I know I've watched you, In fact, we visited you and Cynthia at the Roseheart End many times when you were in the middle of these massive projects, whether it's the big beautiful wrap around front porch or what that had to be painted or the maintenance on this has got to be a full time job. Scott, Well, yeah, it can be daunting at times. However, it's a labor of law. You know. We want to keep it as original as possible, which means we don't put plastic siding

up or you know, any any of the modern accouterments. We try to keep it fairly intense. Yeah, it definitely is. It's got that feel and appeal. Man. It just it feels like home and it is your home. And every time we visit, and we're hoping to do that again soon, we just immediately feel comfortable, relaxed there. And that porch man, sitting on that porch swing is I don't know why, you know, I got I got a swing at home, but that's not the point.

Sitting on that porch swing on that huge porch on the front of the house just is one of my favorite places in the whole world. It really is. For the short amount of time we're there. And your wife is a wonderful, wonderful breakfast cook her she makes her own bread right, yes, yeah, the French toast, my wife is like anti French toast she doesn't like. She didn't like pancakes, she didn't like waffles, she didn't she

never liked French toast. She tasted Cynthia's French toast the first time we were there and said, that's the best French toast I've ever eaten in my life. Yeah, it's pretty dark good, I agree, But this is not without some some hindrances and some problems that come up, you know, for anybody. But we were there on one particular occasion, and you can remind me better of you know, exactly the month and the year it was. Yeah, it was June thirteenth of last year of twenty twenty two. So

krist and I are there. We go to bed that night and there was some talk of some storms around, but you know, it wasn't very active. It was even like, I don't know, ten thirty eleven o'clock at night, it was still a pretty nice night outside. We wake up in the middle of the night to no power in the room. I'm going, oh, that's that's weird. And apparently had slept through a storm that went right through the back of your property and took How big was that? How

big was that tree that this storm felled Scott. Yeah, these are straight line winds from what's known as a deracho, and the winds were upwards of one hundred miles an hour. It took out a two foot diameter or seventy foot tall black walnut tree which hit the back of the in and about twelve thousand dollars with the damage. So we were spending a good bit of the summer pick and pick and that up. Yeah, I remember that, uh

and the other thing that that we like to do. And and I'm not suggesting anybody else do this because it's just a bed and breakfast, but we like to bring food for the night before and uh and and cook for you and Cynthia. I just think it's it's turnabouts, fair play, and so that's neat that there's a big patio, a deck on the back and a gazebo that it's is a gazebo in good shape Scott. Yeah, the gazebo survived. It only had a little tiny nick on the corner and we've we've

already taken care of that. So yeah, it's an excellent shape. And I must say for the listeners out there, Gary Jeff is uh, a type of chef Anthony and Anthony Bourdain. He apparently cooks like him as well. His food is excellent, so we're happily having him cook for us every now and then. Well I think I probably cook better than Anthony Bourdain now, but that's not fair. So anyway, let's let's get back to the Roseheart end. There are a lot of different things in a small town that

you can take advantage of. Mount Gilead is no stranger that there's there's a Mount Gilead State Park which is nearby, and you're close, but you're still out in small town American I think that is one of the biggest part of the charm of a little town like Mount Gilead and the Roseheart Inn is that it's very very much small town Americana and you hold like writers. You have a writer's club or something that meets tell me about that, yet we do.

It's oh, the Mount Gilead Area Writers Gill. We've been together more than five years now and we do host and annual autumn Mount Gilead Writers Retreat. We have authors who are willing to speak as guest speakers, and we host the event at the local high school. And usually have a couple hundred people in attendance, including high school English writing classrooms. Very very nice, very nice. Now you've you've had a lot of stuff personally happening to you.

Had you had a daughter get married this summer. Yeah, just this cast June. Well, good luck with that. So so everything went off without a hitch. Oh yeah, they're still together. There you go. Love of these many months later they then the marital blessed continue. Uh. How did you and Cynthia meet? Scott? We met in Indianapolis. I was a full time editor of a farm publication notice Farm Week in those days, and I was also teaching evening college at Anderson University near Indianapolis. So

I met her. And she's from southern Indiana. So being that I'm from southern Ohio, I grew up in Cincinnati. Yeah, I wanted to get to that too. We've got we've got a few minutes left. You are a huge you are a huge Reds fan. How how how good does seven hundred WLW blast into Mount Gilead during the summer when you're listening for Reds unless there's a storm. Pretty well, yeah, well that's that's what happens when you're when you're on the big one, man, you just blast out everywhere.

So what do you think of what the Reds have been able to accomplish as as a posed to last year? And are you excited about the young talent? Yeah, no, kidding the prospects that we've brought up that are now proven players. Dues make a statement about our farm system and how well it's been developing this young talent. So yeah, very exciting. So, I mean, it doesn't look like this is probably going to be the year

at this point. They may still play for a wild card position in the playoffs, but I'm I'm looking at twenty twenty four man, and i just say, you know, if this nucleus stays intact with the young players, that they don't have to pay franchise money to, you know, for another

year or two. I'm just I'm just thinking that if they can just continue to develop those skills from from Dela Cruz to Spencer Steer to Matt McClain and other young players like Jonathan India although he's been injured, and Andrew Abbott, the young pitcher. I mean, there is so many, so many great stories there and even the ones that aren't Marquis household names like will Benson and

Marte who they just brought up an Incarnassi and Strand. So there's a lot of great talent and a lot of reason to be hope for for the Red's future. And I know I would agree. And we get down there each year to see at least one game. So, yeah, you've come to visit us at the bar. I remember that we did. We did.

It wasn't too bad. Speaking of visitors, we've had interesting visitors. By the way, When when Gary Jeff comes to our end, he sits on the wrap around porch on the swing with his wife and they have music going, usually as big band or swing. Can you imagine sitting on a swing listening to the swing? Right? That's it. But we've had some other

fascinating visitors. One fellow was riding a bicycle from Los Angeles to upstate New York to tend his fiftieth high school reunion and he got he got as far as as Mount Gilliad and had enough for one day, enough writing for one day. He got here about three started asking around, is there lodging in town? And we're actually we're the only lodging in Mount Gilly I. So he sounds and became back his story. No, it's it's neat, you

know, and you've got access to a Kroger store. I mean there are there are the usual kind of small town or things that if you need something, it's easy to get share. We have a one screen movie theater, old fashioned Marcian all right. So yeah, we've also had an entire race team stay here that we're part of the Mid Ohio sports Car Course and they were they chose this place apparently because the race team was by a woman.

Go figure, right, yeah, right exactly. No, No, but uh and and I guess there have been occasions where you kind of wish that you had known more about the guests before they stayed. Have you had have you had anybody do lots of damage? I mean, you know, to tell me who they are? Just any I mean there there's there's always the uh, you know types that that aren't very respectful of your place, and you know they should just go to the CD Motel on the strip, right.

So, but but yeah, we've had a few here that I guess one one guy put a shower cap over the smoke detector and decided that this will be a place to indulge in in his uh pod habit. So yeah, he was, he was smoking up in the room. Not allowed.

I'm sorry. Uh yeah, you know what, there's there's plenty of room outside if you want to, if you want to light up, you know, you know, clandestine las going the backyard right right, he's even he's even got a Do you still have the little putting green in the backyard? Yeah, we do. We have a putting green and I found about removing it because it likes to grow moss. Yeah it does. But but but then I dug around the periphery and found out there's about three tons of gravel

and good sized trunk, So that's not going to happen. So we're gonna keep it as a putty green, even even bable of moss growing on it. Well, if you if you think about, if you think about getting away, and you don't mind a short drive, it's about I don't know,

maybe two and a half hours from here, three hours. Uh. Mount Gilead, Ohio is the town, and the place is the rose Heart in that's two words, rose Heart and Scott and Cynthia would be glad to take your reservation and and have you as a guest, because we're looking forward to the last two times we've tried to book Scott, it just hasn't worked out. Either Krista was sick or I don't know, there's some other conflict,

but and I think it's just because God's telling us. You know, the last time you really stayed there, a seventy five foot oak tree fell on the on the end. Maybe you're not allowed to be there anymore. I don't know. No, you're still welcome, Okay, Thanks Scott, Thanks you. The other the other guests that was with us that night, he left that night. He couldn't he couldn't handle the no air conditioning business. So yeah, that it got a little guy stuck it out. So

I was impressed. We weren't going anything. We didn't even get breakfast the next morning because he had no power. But that it didn't matter to us. We were at the Roseheart End and that's all that mattered. Thank you, Scott Long. I appreciate your time tonight. Thank you, sir. You bet Scott Long from the rose Heart in It is one of our favorite places, and that's why I featured it tonight on the Nightcap. Labor Day continues our show anyway in moments on seven LW. Do you worry about your

basement leaking every time it rains, Well, get it fixed permanently. Hey, Gary Sullivan here, that's what I'm calling this three hours tonight. And it's some of my favorite guests. Like I said, again, not to be too redundant, but if I had all of my favorite on, the show would be about a week long. But these are folks that I really enjoy talking to, their funny, We have a great rapport and one of those people is now Great. I'm so grateful she could make time and be

on the line for the Labor Day special. Karen Cataline, good evening, well, good evening, Gary, Jeff Walker. Yeah, and happy Labor Day, whatever day is your Labor day, but happy, happy, happy,

Yeah. And you know our friend Scott Powell, who you know described it very well, the author of Rediscovering America earlier tonight, and describe the significance of this particular holiday because a lot of people are just kind of like benign about it or have maybe the wrong idea, like it's it's about the hammer and sickle and the labor Party and communism and the collective and he described

it so well. Kara, and I wish that I could recount all twenty minutes of the conversation, but it just kind of escapes me at the moment. But we made some excellent salient points about why this particular holiday is an American holiday, and it has more to do with the importance of work and creativity. And when he said creativity, he wasn't just talking about artistic creativity, but the creativity the entrepreneurial brainchild behind. Here's an interesting stat I'll give

you. The United States has four percent of the world's population, Okay, yet is responsible for ninety six percent of the creativity in the entire globe. That does that? Does that just blow you away? Not at all. That's as it's supposed to. I mean, that is what America is supposed to be. All about. The love and the reverence for individual creativity and

entrepreneurialism and all of those things is what America is about. I mean, it's under attack right now, but that's what creates these amazing inventions and things that we hope will actually help America instead of harm it. I don't know, just as an assigner, you're talking about work, I you know that in my former life it was a mental health professional. I'm an MSW and

I think it was Maslow. Now that was the hierarchy of needs. But one of these guys always talked about the and forgive me for not remembering who it is. I was looking it up here. Love and work at as you know, once a person, a human gets to be of adult age, it's all about love and work and purpose in those two arenas. That's

what it's about. Yeah, it makes total sense to me. And I was also drawing the correlation between uh, you know, God as the ultimate creator, and Scott made this point, if we are made in the image of God, then he expects us to be creators too, And it was an interesting it was an interesting you know, you know, idea behind creation and labor day and work in general and service because work at its basic route

is service to something or someone else. So yeah, and one of the things that makes America exceptional and has and as you mentioned, and as Scott mentioned earlier tonight, it has been under attack, you know, totally. And you can't have that kind of entrepreneurial spirit if you don't have the freedom to to create, to innovate, h we we knew. Let me buy the way, let me just save for the record. In my ignorance, I finally found it. The guy who said love and work, work and

love. That's all there is. Sigmund Freud. No kind of hard guy to forget. But you know there's lots of others. No, no, no, now, listen, if if you're gonna go through this conversation referencing uh, you know, obscure psychologists and stuff, I just I don't know if we've got time for all. No, go ahead, I'm sorry, No, no, that is That's as far as I go. But what

I was gonna say was is that you cannot you cannot innovate. What I was gonna say was that the greatest experiment in the difference between the collective and the individual a society at culture that protects the individual, no matter how offbeat. You know. The hippies used to know this, but they forgot it the sixties and liberals claimed they knew it, they forgot it. Was the contest, if you will, of East and West Germany. One side flourished,

one side was rich and prosperous and peaceful. The other side had to be kept in with a wall, and when the wall came down, which was a massive historic event that nobody that the media didn't quite pay as much attention to as it should have. In my opinion, we found that the collectivists, top down, rooting out people's individuality brought nothing but poverty and misery

and unhappiness. But I know you're here to talk about work again. I'm you're one of Gary Jeff's favorites, so we're here to talk about a lot. I'm gonna put you through the ringer here, girl. Come on, you agree, you go you you agreed to come on the show, so let's go. Yeah, Okay. It looks like it looks like they are trying to bring the masks back. And we talked about this a year ago, and we're starting to hear these calls and in places at these colleges they're

requiring COVID nineteen vaccination or you can't go to school, Karen. They're doing it again, and I just I don't see how they're going to get away with it this time, because there's too many people like you and me, and there are people who complied totally the first time who now are wisened up

and going no we're not doing this again. I just don't think they're going to have great success with it. Well, from your mouth to God Grosgary, Jeff, because we did watch many of us were calling for that kind of just say no, and many people refuse, and the price gets higher

and higher for compliance, you know, or rather for defiance. But unfortunately, as Leslie Manukian said just recently, wonderful lady who runs the Health Freedom Defense Fund, she said, you can never comply your way into freedom. Never. And so I am still skeptical because they continue to make the price higher and higher, and the only option is defiance and recognition that they are pulling the wool and the mask over our eyes. This is a symbol of

compliance, it's a symbol of collectivism. It's a symbol of obedience and slavery. And I'm already seeing people starting to wear them. Notice the policy comes first, and then they say, oh, by the way, we found a COVID variant. Now I'm not saying they couldn't release something, because they have in the past, but they seem to be able to push our buttons

so easily. Uh Well, I think I think they're calling this variant election Macron I know I saw that, and to the extent that we can predict it because we can, we can watch it, we can see it with our own eyes, and we've already lived it. Unfortunately, there will always be cheap there will always be sheep who will do as they're told, live

in fear. You know, I have concluded in many respects that sometimes politics of the kind that we have today is a matter of what you fear, not that you have fear, Because if you're not afraid in some fashion, I'm not advocating for fear of what is happening to this country and what maniacal men, that's the universal men are doing to it, then you're just not paying attention. So that that's been an observation that I've had for a while, is you know, how do you handle that fear when the fear is

real, when the fear is realistic? And I know that might be a little bit of a detour, but I would ask you, my friend Gary Jeff Walker and mental health. Usually fear is exaggerated, right, it's you know, just realize, you know, feel of fear. Do it anyway. But now increasingly people are being presented with the unpleasant reality that what they fear is actually happening right before our very eyes. So what do they do about earned? Karen Catalin, Our time flew by just like I expected it

would, and that's why you're one of my favorites. I appreciate you so much. Happy Labor Day, Remember America, keep it strong. Here you go, Karen Cataline with us tonight. The fur Ball closes things out next on seven d WLW. Maybe you missed one of our shows because you were held captive in a tree buying an angry cookie baking elf. Maybe that's I'll teach it. I kick your hands out my fudge sticks. Oh don't worry. You can get the podcast of our shows and hear what you miss.

Check them out on the iHeartRadio. As the two most sought after, most prestigious names in bridal jewelry come together for worry. Jeff Walker favorites Labor Day Special and I Save the best for last. I mean, you want to talk about the Kreme de la Creme. You always save the good dessert for last. You always save that special sausage that's on your plate that someone handmade for last. You always save the whatever, whatever the item is. When

you're dining that you really enjoy the most. You want that to be your last taste memory, and so our last taste memory on tonight's show, and I hope that you can swish this around, this conversation around in your mouth a little bit and really savor it and enjoy it. Is with the fur Ball Andy Furman, of one of Jerry Jeff's favorites, who has stepped outside

for the conversation we're about to have as to not disturb his wife. And that's a real issue for Andy because his wife could physically overpower him and kill him at any moment, and so to keep that from happening, we've taken Andy outside on the phone for this conversation on the Labor Day, Gary Jeff's favorite nightcap the pre eminent voice of sports at least in my head, which

shows you where my head's at in Cincinnati Radio. Andy Furman, Hello, you know, I know you meant well with the intro and like saving me for the last. But here's the thing. It conjures up a lot of memories because when I was a kid, every time I chose up games being stickball, basketball, so fall I was always last. I was always the last one. Picked. So I'm not so certain this is a great thing. Being last on you so like you just happened to squeeze being not on

the caboose, and they don't even have cabooses anymore on trains. Well, it's right, so on last, but I appreciate being on on the base a big show, the big one on Labor Day. This is this is this is not then, Andy, this is now and now. As adults, we like to save the best for last. We don't wait well because because I always love dessert. But every time I go out with my wife or family to go for a dinner, I don't have any room for dessert

because I stuffed myself and the waitress or waiter comes over. Do you have room for dessert? I say, I wish I did. So. The other day, before we went out for dinner, we went to Greatest First. We had dessert first, and then we went to eat That was ingenious and I had the new key Line pie ice cream, which is out of this world. Well I went back to the Greatest the next day. Yeah, and you know what, we don't have any left. I can I get a pint? We're all out? The one on buttermilk Pike. All

right, we're out, we have we have no more eyes. You just wanted to come on on the show and bitch about the fact you couldn't get your key Line pie ice cream and butter. I really really went out of my way. I loved it. Really. I went to the actually I went to the Greaters in Merrymond. The Merrymont Graters had it and I got it there. And the next day I went to Graters on Buttermilk Pike in Fort Mitchell, Kentucky. We're sorry, we have no more pints of key

Line Pie. Thank you, thanks a lot. All right, Well, you know what what makes it Andy, what makes it special is that you can only get it every once in a while. That that makes it more valuable. That's what I was saying. When I was in college, we used to take the car and cross the Mississippi so we could get Course Deer because it was like one of those things like, wow, course you can't get it on the East Coast. We've heard so much about it now that

you could get course anywhere, including Kroger. I don't even buy Course. I don't get it because it's there. You know, it's something that you can't have that you want that. That's what it's all about. Right, Why have you noticed so much about course you brought up Core's Light specifically, which is the biggest selling brand of that particular brand of beer, Core's Light. We I've noticed that since the bud Light flap, the Dylan mulvaney mistake

they made. From a marketing standpoint, I've noticed that sales of Cores Light are way up at the bar. Really, the people are flocking thing. If you're if you're a fan of Bud Light, you enjoy it, keep on enjoying it. I mean, you're not going to not drink it because of what they did a stupid advertising campaign. But I'll tell you what I did. Yeah, I'm not patting myself in the back in any man of

way, shape or form. So when I was the PR guy at Latonia Race Course, I got a letter from a guy with the name with Dennis Long. You may not know Dennis Long as the Dennis Long wrote me and then he called me. He was the president and CEO of Anheuser Busch in Saint Louis. Flew me out to Saint Louis and offered me a job as a PR guy with Anna's a Bush. I didn't take it. Okay, maybe I was stupid. I don't know. I just couldn't know. Let's say, hold on, let's let's let you know right, you can't go

back. I understand that. No, I'm not. I'm not. So here's what I did. Yeah, So last week I wrote a letter to the president, president and CEO of and Isaza Bush, explaining to him that I had some sort of an association with ab And I explained to him, like what happened here with your moronic marketing campaign? And I said, now, what you need to do is cut commercials with you as the president CEO speaking to the public, maybe even from your home with your family. That's

what you need to do. I haven't heard from him, although I have seen some crazy commercials now people drinking bud Light and get ball games, and that ain't gonna cut it. You gotta be sincere and own up to it and maybe even say we screwed up, and we could accept that and we screwed up. Andy. I was just gonna say, if you had taken that position in marketing with Anaheiser Bush, you might have saved you might have you might have saved us from Dylan mulvaney. Altogether, do you realize to

stay away from religion and politics and everything like that. Really, that's what you got to stay away from, and people don't. It's like stepping manure. That's what it is. That's what this that's what this woke virtue signaling reality that we're living in. It is teaching people like me who already knew that what you just said, yeah, but but teaching them that go woke, go broke. You know, it's your own you know, it's you. You you handled the gun that had a bullet in the chamber and you

put it next to your head and pulled the trigger. So you know, don't don't do that kind of stuff, because you know what the I hear a story like this, honestly, I mean this from the heart, by the bottom of my heart. Of a lot of people think I don't have one. I always think of my good buddy Tommy Burnam and how he got screwed blue and tattooed. I mean, and I see people you every day every day getting second chances, so chances, and I don't understand why he's

still on the sidelines. I don't get it. I don't get it, and it really really ticks me up, and look, and has nothing to do with how good or how big a broadcaster he is. It's his job. That's what it's all about. Because you know, I wrote something about that in the Inquirer at an op ed and I looked at some of the responses there and people say, well, he wasn't good and he was negative. That has nothing to do with it. The fact that he lost his

jobs to that, that's what it's all about. Don't interpret what I write, Okay, don't look into it, read it, digest it, then have an opinion. You put your own opinion in there, which is wrong, dead wrong? What do you mean? Don't you write opinion pieces so it will spark other people's opinions, Right, But their opinion on my opinion is fine, and they could say I read it, I don't agree with it. That's not But there's slowing their opinions into saying he shouldn't have his

job back because he was too negative. I didn't write that. That has nothing to do with it. Maybe he was negative. I didn't touch on that. I said he lost his job for some stupid reason. You're right, A lot, a lot of people have been canceled for really stupid reasons, and it continues to happen. It is something that we've got to stop as a society. I want to get back to the fact that you're outside and you and I had a discussion the other night. The other night about

how I take my my cat dog, Brooksy outside. He likes to pee outside, and he said, well, you know, he's a cat dog. He's on his leash, he's on his harness in the front yard. He's not He's not peeing in anybody else's yard, just in our yard. And I said, I think it is intrinsic in most males of the species, because you know, man has uh peed, urinated and defecated outside for

eons, for millennia. I mean it's before there were bathrooms. Where'd you go outside, you know, and maybe maybe you were living outside too. But I occasionally will enjoy a chance to go and take a walk and secluded. Not you know, I'm not showing I'm not being an exhibitionist. I'm not there to gross anybody out or get arrested. But you go, now, go behind the huge chinolia Chinese magnolia bush that's in our front yard.

And it's full foliage. It's beautiful flowering plant. And I stepped as there's a place right between the tree and the house, right there in the corner of the front yard that's totally secluded, and it's it's one of my favorite places to pee. Men like to pee outside the tree. You'll kill the tree with that acid. The tree has been flourishing. I've been there for ten years. Andy, I don't think I'm gonna trees come over to my house and doing some of my trees, you know what that might be required,

or you can do it yourself. You do you not pee outside when you have the opportunity. And I'm not really no, no, no, I mean and honestly, I never thought a lot of you, to be honest, let's be let's cut to the chase. But now I think even less. Now I think even less. I mean, really, it's a natural thing. It's a natural thing, Andy, It's a natural thing, especially for men. But here's the thing. Yeah, you know you were on Betterman. Let me try to help you out, Okay. I listened

to you on Saturday mornings and you have a great crew of guests. Yes, we would, Jimmy think of you if he knew that you were urinating out about that, don't think about you? I bet you know what, I'm gonna call him and ask him when I when we get off the phone, I'm gonna call him and ask him and to say, Jim, have

you ever peat outside? I bet the answer is absolutely yes. And he almost peat inside an elevator here at the building because we got trapped in an elevator one Saturday morning, going back about five or six years ago, and he was here, He was here at the studio with me, and I was at that time I was smoking cigarettes, so I had to go out of the building outside out front of the building to go smoke a cigarette for two or three minutes and then rush back in to get back on the air.

And Jim take took a walk with me. He said, you know, just we could talk and stuff during the news break. And my wife was there too, and all three of us were stuck in the elevator. For I thought, you can say, well, three of you urinated outside the elevator. No, all three of us were stuck in the elevator for

an hour. And Jim told me later that if my wife had not been in there, he would have peered right in the corner of the elevator, which I think peeing outside is much better than peeing inside in a place where you're not supposed to peet. You grapples and oranges when you have to go instead of bursting and busting, you know, you gotta go a that point. This is Jimmy should have known better. You know, you always look if you have a weak bladder, and you go more often than not.

You can take a cup with you, carry a couple of old times and just in case something like that happens. And there's nothing wrong with that female in the elevator. There's nothing wrong on zipp of your pants and go in the cup. There's nothing wrong with peeing outside. It's one of the most It's nature, and it's a natural thing. Everybody does it. It's not a big deal. I bet you are you gonna tell me. I'm gonna walk down like West sixth Street in Covington, West sixth in Washington. I'm

going to see people just line up on the street corner. You come on, Really, what did I tell you about it? Be serious? What did I tell you about where I p? If I p outside, I p in the inter secluded area that's totally blocked from public view. It's in my own yard. That's what I'm talking about. When I'm talking about p and outside, I'm not talking about p and on the street in Covington or anywhere else. You know. It's funny you mentioned that because it brings up

a story that years ago. I was doing sports talk and we used to go down for a week in Tampa and in obviously planned city when the Reds are training there spring training, and we used to do show at a bar and we used to get Red's guests coming to the bar down the radio with us, and one of the guests was had him done, and we were looking for him and say, you know, he's on the end, Now where is he? Where is he? We went to the back of the bar and yes, he was urinating outside. He had a beer and I

guess the bathroom was crowded or whatever. I don't know what it. Maybe they want to sign another agressive void. The crowd didn't do us. I don't know, but he's I'll be with you in a minute. He was urinating outside on the side of the bar. Then he came on the radio. Okay, could anybody just on the street have seen him doing that or was he secluded? It was secluded exactly. This is not a bar. This is not about being gross. And I'm talking about in the woods or

in nature. You know, men have been doing that for years. Women used to do it too, but now they're just too worried about their reputation so they don't drop trou anywhere. But I'm telling you, a good p outside, not a good p outside, is really hard to be. It's hard to be real. I was gonna say, how did we end up? I'm not gonna say that, how did you end up here? Because I had nothing to do with this. I had nothing to do with this

conversation. Listen, how I have a wonderful rest of what the last few minutes of Labor Day. Enjoy that and we'll talk to you next week after the Bengals kill the Browns. Okay, you know what you put in a vendom to that, because if Joe Burrow is not playing, if I were you, I wouldn't be so cocky. I don't think they will without Joe Burrow. All right, Well we'll see what happens. Thank you, Andy. All right? All right? Uh yeah, I think the show's over.

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