Gary Jeff Walker -- 5/29/23

Night tack on seven WLW Gary Jeff Walker sitting down with you on a Memorial Day night. I hope it was a fantastic day, a reflective day. We remembered why we even have this holiday in America for those who have lost their lives in service to our country and defending our freedom. That being said, tonight's a really really special show for me. All of them are special, but these will not be children. I want to send back this show

because tonight. You may remember, back before the first of the year, we did a series on American History on the radio. We talked about major historical events that happened and how radio was the conduit for the information, so you know, everybody could find out what was going on at these different key pivotal moments. Well, tonight is American History on the radio. In fact,

Cincinnati History on the radio, living history. Because tonight, to our friend and radio's best friend, Art Volo, we have gotten together a couple of friends of mine, but I guess it was Art's grease that helped to make this wheel turn in my direction to get both Dusty Rhodes and Jim Lebarbara the music professor in for the first hour of this night cap. Gentlemen, good evening. Hey, glad to be here, and I'm honored to finally meet Gary Jeff Walker. No, tell me real quickly, for the people

that are uninformed are not radio freaks like you. What what What did Art Volo do to become Radio's best Friend? Actually the title was given to me back in the early eighties by a very well known broadcaster by the name of Scott Shannon in New York and Z one hundred, and he was calling me Radio's best friend. And it's a it's an honor, and it's a curse.

It's an honor for obvious reasons. And it's a curse because that means anything anybody ever asks of you in the radio business you have to do, and of course God forbid you charge for it, so you have to do everything for nothing. Okay, So but it's it's pretty much the story of most people's radio careers, aren't And what do you want about? And then you're not the only one. I started videotaping all these DJs over the years,

and but before that was the big thing I was. I put out one hundred million radio guides across America from people to travel and find their favorite stations as they drive from state to state because this was before the internet. Oh yeah, I mean it's before satellite radio. To keep finding news stations, and I literally it was half the fun of the trip, it was, right, It really was finding one station after anohing. You know. I remember being a little kid and just sitting in my bed at night d

xing. You know, I had my favorite stations, but I was looking to see what else I could find down the dial at night, especially on AM. Good news by the way, on the AM, right, I'm from the Detroit area. Well, occasionally there's good news out of Detroit, not too often, but yeah, the AM radios are going to remain in ford vehicles, and it looks like there have been some major victories one for I would say, not just dam broadcasters, but for the American public,

because AM is truly a godsend, especially in emergency situations. So people should always have that availability at their fingertips. So back to radio history in the room. First off, Dusty Rhodes, this is maybe the second time I think I've ever had you on the air with me, and this is one

time by phone. Yeah, this is a pleasure. Yeah, So thanks for taking some time out today on this memorial day to talk to us about your career and things that still spark the imagination through the memories of you know

this uh, this advanced Tesla coil that we're talking. When I was a little kid growing up in Syracuse, I had a filecard of all the stations I listened to around the country, And strangely enough, the one station that stands out was WCKY in Cincinnati at fifteen thirty, and it came blasting into Syracuse at night like a local. It was just up the dial from a

local station, and it was playing country music. Every night at seven o five, the Jamboree came on the air and they were selling baby Chicks and Lord's Last Supper table cloths and tombstones. And that station was just dynamic in those days, and the signal was like a local in Syracuse. And lo and behold. Now I lay right across the river. I go to church every Sunday, right across the river from their towers. And it's how about that? Yeah, it's strange, the full circle trip right all the way.

Jimmy, what about your early days? Do you have any memories as a kid listening to the radio and just being captivated by Well, I got into the radio business listening to when I was a kid, rock and wall. All of a sudden, I was playing in bands when I was like thirteen years old, jazz music and then in big band music. And then went to a rock and wall show and saw Frankie Lyman and Bill Hand in

the comments, and that guy was sitting behind us. They all gone up and they gave the finger to Bill Heinling when he came out, and he said, man, he got the number one record in the country, Rock around the Clock, and they go, no, no, man. He ripped off Joe Turner, who had been on the same show earlier, and

I said, well, what they left? And the guy said to me and they were the coolest guys, sunglasses, shruck skin suits, yellow green blue from the North Side section of Pittsburgh, and these guys were in the know. They said, you gotta listen to Porky the Daddy or the radio, you know, Porky Chedwick. Well, I had never heard Porky, so I listened to the boss Man, a little fringe station in Pittsburgh started listening to Porky the Daddio and I got interested in radio, but I didn't

want to. I love Porky's sincerity, but Clark Race did the afternoon show on Katie Ka and Clark drove a jaguar had all the girls chasing after him, even though he's married. I had a bandstand show and I know he had the money. Porky didn't. So I said, that's what I want to be. I want to be like Clark Race and to get out of my system in colleagues. I worked a little bit in the radio at the Town station for three shows and got fired because I played April Stevens teached me

Tiger and they fired me. And then during the summer I risk Yeah, and then Titusville, Pennsylvania and graduation. I was a pre job at Kati Ka. I brought the tape in and Randy Hall was the all night guy, and Randy said, if you don't get my job. I worked in Due Boys. That's why I started. They would love to have you. And Due Boys hired me as Jimmy Holiday and that's where I was and I gave myself three years and I targeted two stations. I said this because out

of grad scholarship to buston being religious philosophy. I was be a minister, and I targeted KATKA in Pittsburgh, my hometown, and KYW because I heard that when I was in going to college in Meedral, Pennsylvania, and it boomed in there. SPEC's Howard and Jerry g and I just that was my station. I want to go to KYW or kat K. I gave myself

three years. In less than three years, I ended up that w K, y C, KYW and Cleveland. So it was my dream that first thing on the air in Cleveland. If I did nothing else in my life, that was it. So nothing else. So somebody giving the finger to Bill Haley and Porky the daddio of the radio were the inspirations for Jim Lebarbreak later the music professor. Yeah, and I later had a chance to sit

down with Porky and thank him. We had dinner, and I thank Porky, said man so much to me. Well, big influences on me was the Hound in Buffalo and that station twenty miles west of Buffalo. You can't hear it, but boy, up and down the Eastern seaboard, it bombed. I mean it was tremendous and I was getting started a little before rock and roll. But when I would listen to George Hound, Doug Lorenz and Tommy Shannon on kb they were smooth as silk and it was a revelation to

hear the Hound come on and talk. And you know the interesting story, I'm swearing Wolfman Jack got his stick from the Hound because I was in midtown Manhattan one night before the sun went down and I was picking up KBW and I know that Bob Smith, who became Wolfman Jack, was listening to the Hound when he was kid in Brooklyn, and that's where he got his stick from his the Hound. Yeah. Drick Cordick on K what he did he is repeat the same hour from six to seven. He'd do the same stop

seven to eight and eight to nine. And we picked up on that. Oh well, you know when I when I was in high school, like we called it a podcast. Yeah, like my junior and senior year, I would come back to school and they'd say the bits that he was doing. Reach Cortick, and I picked up the nickname reach Hey Reige Rich.

Luckily that didn't stick, but Reach courteurs real big. There's the case of a guy huge in Pittsburgh owned it out a beer after him to uh well flush, and he went to California, big contract and didn't make it and ended up being a bid actor. But there's a case of a guy, all right, we know you're big in one city, you go to another city and he didn't make it. Well, you know, it's happened here

with the with Jim Scott. He went to New York and came back with his kind of tale between his legs and came back to say, became a legend. Like you guys, I mean you tried Denver after you got to Cincinnati, Jim that that was not a great experience, was strange experience. What happened was con Hammon came in as the program director of WLLW and I was number one in the afternoon. And this was a long journey to get this. This would have been the nineteen seventy seventy one, Okay, so

seventy When he comes in, he's once more music. But there was no way to play more music, you know, because we had the news, and we had the local years, and we had the helicopter. We had all this stuff going on, and it was frustrated with him and then somebody put in my box, uh, memo yellow. There's a little yellow memos. Well, Harry Martin Specsimward and Harry Martin when I was in Cleveland, Harry Martin will always say blank the memo's blank the memos and he threw the

memos away. So I had that philosophy, blanked the memos. So one night I'm leebriated coming back from the Inns Circle Johnny Benson. I'm going through my thing at home, my briefcase, and there is this letter. And I looked in the letter and it's it's Dan Clayton's contract. It says how much money he's making. He's making like two dollars a week more than I'm making. Well, that was it. I exploded two dollars a week, something like two bucks a week. So I called Murdock like a two thirty

three o'clock in the morning. I'm calling Charlie, chewing him out. I said, what are you doing, man, I'm number one afternoon. You give me this guy. I don't want to talk about it, Jim, I don't want to talk about it. But I was getting offers. I'd get offers a lot, and I was getting an offer and Joe fining to just call me like the next day and said, once you're do mornings at Katoka and Denver. So I said, now, I flew out there, looked at the market, went out there. So I'm leaving after Christmas.

I'm going there now. My best friend is Johnny Bench. I'm falling in love with this little girl, sadly subtle, and I'm leaving all my friends. Bench says, a big going away party. Everybody's there, a bunch of royals, everybody. So I'm going to Denver, driving across the country in my little corvet. I get to Denver to check into the Regency Hotel where the Playboy Club is. I go there and I said, I'm I'm going we're working on kat katil Kay and the guy says their credit is no

good here. So this is now six o'clock in the morning. I don't have Joe Finan, who hired he. I don't have his phone number. So I called the radio station. It's a five. I got the morning guy and I said, look, I need to call Joe fine, can you get back? Who are you? And I said, well, I'm jim La Barbara. I'm gonna be the new morning man, I start Monday and he said, I'm the morning man. No, so that was it.

I should have gotten my car and turned around and drove back. And then they had a contest on the station what changes would you like to have made? And one of the changes was to bring me back. And that's and I was there and Rooke came in. Rooke came in, John Wook came is. The PD wanted to change my name, was not crazy about me. Was bringing all these guys in fro another market, and I said, you know what, I missed Cincinnati so much. I came back for

vacation and never went back there. And LW hired me back about the same salary and everything. But they had Beasley an afternoon drive. And Murdoch is a little purgatory thing. I was in the early night show for a while until they brought me back. A lot of people listening now may not remember some of the you're talking about. Charlie Murdoch. Yeah, Charlie Murray was a famous program director who came to WSAI. You worked with him, right,

yeah, right, you worked with him. It was a GM and W SAI and he was a great jock and m in Miami with the Beatles and every Yeah, and he went into management, which was not a move that Jock's made typically, And he came to SAI and then says W LW God rest the soul, good and good Man. And Murdoch said to me, Murdoch WHN came back said, look act like you know the program director of Respected, but all the dealings you do with me. So that was

my relationship with Charlie from that point on. Yeah, yeah, o GM, you know you're a moment ago. Now don't consider this gifts from Wali? All right, but you're talking about we were talking about a two dollar difference. Yeah, yeah, what did the Doe say when she came out of the woods. I'll never do that for two bucks again. Okay, So I don't never forget that. That's almost as funny as a gift from Wali. Almost. Well, he came in, is the is the Knight

and don't call us, We'll call you all fairness. So Dankton is doing an early night show and Dan Clinton takes me aside. He knows I'm pudding now and this is right before I'm leaving. Dan Clinton said, why are you leaving? Because he tried to harm me when he was at pop in Hartford years before. So he said to me, he said, why are you leaving? I said, I saw, I saw your contract. Somebody put it in my box knowing it would stir me up. And he said,

do you think I'm coming into a night show? I'm I'm gonna be the new PD. So that should have tipped me off not to take the job in Denver. It was. It was not a good experience. One other thing that you were just talking about Pop W Pop had Hartford, Connecticut.

Do you know what famous event happened there? That's where in nineteen sixty two, at the end of the summer, a guy named Joey Reynolds who we all know Joey Reynolds, locked himself in the studio and which song did he play over and over again until it became a hit by Frankie Valley in the Four Seasons Sherry? He broke Sherry and made them stars. And that's why to this day, Joey Reynolds in New York and cousin Bruce Marl in New York are the only two people that have a DJ theme song sung by

the Four Seasons. So there that is the voice of Art Volo. We're talking to Jim La Barber, the music professor, and Dusty Rhodes Man. I am in this little broom closet of a studio with Radio Royalty, and it's awesome, absolutely awesome, guys. I'll tell you what. We've got just a couple more minutes in this segment, in this half hour. And Dusty, I do want to get in the story of you being instrumental in bringing the Beatles to Cincinnati in nineteen sixty six. Curtin deserves most of the

credit. He was the guy that came back in the studio and said we're bringing the Beatles in or we're going to try to one night February of sixty four, and I said, yeah, I'm in, and I got a hold of five grand, actually borrowed it from the Central Trust Bank. My in laws co signed the note for me, and we each tossed in five grand five DJs twenty five thousand. I was gonna say, and I don't want to get too personal, it's none of my business. How much money

were you making at the time. Hundred and eighty a week this nineteen sixty four, Yeah, one hundred eighty a week, and you go and borrow five thousand dollars on some wild haired scheme to get the Fab four to Cincinnati, the first American tour. And it really put Wusai in the map because all three TV stations were there. We had the full page Cincinnati Post that

day, the afternoon paper that had Fremnenzus circulation. And I was getting upwards of three hundred pieces of mail at night, three hundred pieces, and Dale Steve from the Cincinnati Post said, that's movie star mail. And I bring all the postcards and letters on them, and my wife and I would sit there and write notes to everybody in the small wee hours of the morning. Now you were you were getting this kind of mail just from your on air

PERSONA right okay, and doing the Beatles. And we set up on a whim the first Beatles fan club in North America. We got twenty five thousand members. We still have the lists of the members. And I missed a boat because Tom Clay did it in Detroit and he had the kids send a dollar in. It was called the Beatle booster Ball, but he got in

serious trouble. All right, well we'll stop it right there. We didn't we'll stop it right there and come back after what's passing for news here in a few minutes and more of our discussion Cincinnati History on the radio, literally Jim L. Barbara, the music Professor, Dusty Rhodes, and our friend radio's best friend, Art Volo. It's all ahead here on seven hundred WLW Beantown Baseball. He just thought it'll be interleague action as our Reds play nine

against the rich Socks and f Jonathan India. It'll be bats falls and a big green months show me the money. Sung checks the call live from Fenway Far tomorrow night at six ten on seven hundred w L seven hundred w LW's live stream of the iHeart Radio with bet MGM, official sports betting partner of

MLB. You can play the same game parlay wager with at least four legs on any nightcap Memorial Day night of Cincinnati History on the radio in the percentages of one Dusty Rhodes and one Jim Lebarber, the music Professor and our friend Art Volo here in the studio as well, Gary Jeff Witness. So we were talking about the Beatles, Dusty when we broke and U and it was a good experiences for our friend Steve Kirk, and it was a horrible experience

because he lost money. He was the only man who lost the second show on sixty six. Uh, we did it in sixty four. He did it by himself. In sixty six. I was on my way to Detroit, so I wasn't a part of that. They were going to play Saturday night at rained or something, and they played Sunday afternoon. Yeah, they had to hire the police for two days and they didn't count that in the budget. Jim, you were credit, told me. Steve told me.

He said that when you guys left town because Skinny Bobby Harper was down to Lanta, you're in Detroit with winds Ard c KLW, and the tax man came and so he had to pay the text. He said, those guys were gone. I lost money on that show because I had to pay the text. He said. Then when we got the Beatles in, he said, in sixty six they lost money there because of the rain thing. They had to rehire the security the stadium. They had to pay for everything again,

he said. And then John Lennon, he talked Lennon and this thing over to do the show and he said, And the media the way it was in those days, a lot of people didn't know that the show was on, he said, So we lost, didn't sell it didn't nearly sell out. If Steve would have called, I would have a check or Steve Kirk would have said that, right, right, So that you work with

Steve at SAI. Right. Who were the other disc jockeys that went on on bringing the Beatles to Let's see, there was Mark Edwards, the afternoon guy, Me, Paul Purton, skin Bobby Harper and who else? Who's the fifth guy? There was the only guy that left the dollar bill up on the on the mantel and his kid. The ice cream truck came by and Mark Edwards and so the kid took the bugler bill was signed by the Beatles. Use it for the ice cream? Yeah, Kirk, me uh

Burton, Kirk and me and who else? Mark Edwards, Dick Wagner was in in it, and Mike Sherman was in but Skinny Bobby. Okay, so you guys pulled your money you bring the Beatles here. Yeah, it's a raging success in sixty four that the year of Beatlemania, right, and then you getting movie star mail, you wind up going away from Cincinnati. I went to Detroit for about less than a year ckl W. I did

the Mourners mournings there. Why they hired me, I'll never know. They had a guy named Bud Davies who was a real institution and yeah, this was the early c klack, then eight, the Big eight. Yeah, Paul Drew came in and changed the format and blew me out. He wanted to put me back on nights and I didn't want to, so that was it. But he came back home. Yeah, now were you were? You were? You received with open arms very much about said. Hired me

as a sales guy because they didn't want me to go to WUBE. And I did that for a year and I got in the investment business, and then I started the oldies shows on fifty five KRC, Randy Michael's Uh put me over on l W, then grr UH and the Sunday night oldies shows. That kept my hand in and allowed me to have a lot of fun. There's there's one thing I know that listeners not just in Cincinnati but all around the country. Remember Uh, your marathon Christmas shows that used to put

you right. Yeah, how did that get started? Well, I started a GRR in the nineties and I well, actually I started an SAI in sixty one. We brought in all the LPs and was like changing the format and I started the Christmas show. Then the next time Ron Britain took Christmas Eve off and I did six hours and it just grew from there. Uh and uh. At one point we had a one hundred and twenty five stations. Foldiers Coffee sponsored it for a while. Yeah, uh and yeah ran

all over the country and didn't Foldiers also a sponsor. You're a cup of coffee in Detroit, because that's all you were there for. That's what you in the radio business. We say I was there for a cup of Right was a tenure. But can I brag for you? I understand this year. I hope I'm saying the right thing, or we're gonna have to We're gonna have to edit this show. We're not gonna edit it. And that

is better be right, better be right. I understand this year that this kid that used to hang around this radio station named Sean Something is putting you on wg N in Chicago, your Christmas show. That's what I'm that's what I've been told and he haven't told me. Yeah, that's that's gonna be a big deal. This this is the next Christmas glad to do. That's a big station. Yeah, wg N, yep, Yeah, you deserve to be on that station. You deserve to be on lots of that.

You do an excellent had a chance to do an audition once at WGND after a Blackhawks hockey game. Yeah. I'm there in the bottom of the Tribune tower, the beyond the street studio where people passing by they could you could turn on the mics and let them, you know, interact with them. They're on Michigan Avenue. Uh. It was pretty cool. Uh, that's funny. Do know what w g M stands for? Why? W LW stands for World's Lowest Wages at ALLGN stands for World's Greatest Newspaper, that's right,

the Tribune, Yeah, huh yeah. And WMA Houston for we Must Ask Questions. I thought that was interesting. So, prof Uh, how did you get and I know you've told me the story before, but how did you get the moniker the music professor? All I came down when Jim him Gallant hind me when I replaced him Gallant in Cleveland, and he was there. I came in as a part time guy, but making full time salary, and then they let him go to give me a full time shift.

So when he came to w LW, he became the program director. And I was at k WHY for three years, in Wixie for a year and Cleveland and Cleveland and Wixie brought a guy in to do the night show, and I knew the early night show, so I knew I was destined to be all nights in Cleveland with Norman, Wayne and Wixe. But we became number one, and also a guy came into the station, Chuck Dunaway,

who I didn't care for because Chuck Dunaway. When I was at k Y when they were letting me go, I was doing my last show as my girlfriend was with me, and Chuck came in and I was leaving. He said, hey, hey man, he said, listen to me. I'll show you how it's done. You're not gonna be doing anything for a while. Listen to me. I'll show you how it's still. And that

was it. So when we were doing an appreciation show, we became number one and they introduced the newest Wixie Superman, Chuck Dunaway, and I told I was supposed to introduce a couple of That night we had everybody fifth the mansion, Johnny Rivers, I told, stand next to Joe fin and then in the wild shob Dick Kemp. I said, man, I'm out of here and so and finally said I'll go with you. Don't quit, don't quit. So we went to the flats down there before it was developed and

got drunk. I never made my show, and two days later nobody ever said anything to me, but that was the reason. So I was looking for a job and I called Jim Gallant. His wife answered here Stanny w hired me. And then when I came down here, he said, I like what you do, Paul Revere on the radio, the shangrals everybody. He said, I want you to do more of that. I'm gonna call you the music professor. I said what he said, you know ishka bibbele

kay kaiser. You know that I had no idea and he had the bill. He had the thing adds in the newspaper, the Man of La Music take off on the land Man of La Muncha. So he said, I want you to do more of that on the radio, and that's what happened. So I came in. I didn't want to disappoint him, so I didn't feel comfortable doing it, and all of a sudden, bench and he rose, and guys I knew would call me, hey, prof how you

doing this? Took off very quickly, and then the building supervisor or the maintenance guy at the building told me one day, said I love you, and I love stay Mattlock. Listen to you every night, listen to Matlock in the morning. And I listened to Mattlock. Matt Lock's doing a show and he's talking about pregnant guppies and how many guppies a pregnant guppy. So then it got to me, I said, wait a second. That's the gallant was very smart because the market was already in tune for a music professor

because of the educational stuff that Matt Locke was doing every morning. The magazine of the Yeah, his magazine of the air, So it was an easy go for me. He opened the door for me, and then he was so inspired by the first of the year. Can I make a shorter story than Jim? Yeah, I'm slower, no, no, no, I get in what I know. I'm just kid. I was just to say, pregnant guppies led to the music professor, which is just what an odd,

odd little fish story. If they're ever well, you know, one of the videotaped him at the Wixie Reunion in Cleveland back in nineteen eighty. That's where I first met Jim L. Barbara. I got him a video of that, and he thoroughly enjoyed. It was a lot of fun. I think I also recorded you a GRR here in Cincinnati about I don't know.

It's almost twenty years ago, and I had the chance to video you, Dusty Rhodes and on your Sunday night show, right, And I'll probably get in trouble or one of us for saying this, but remember when you was signed off, how you had to get out of there because of two hours of religions right right? And you said, well, I gotta do is guy, And we're both good Catholic kids, you know, And he said, we gotta gotta get rid of the religion so that we can go

all the way to midnight with the right. Because it was such a great Sunday night show. It wasn't art. You also taped Gary Burbank here at WLW. Tell me about that, XP, Yeah, he's well get Gary is one of my idols. And uh, he was of course in Detroit at the Morning Mouth at Sea l W. But he was I think as long as Tenure, I believe, was here in Cincinnati. You know, he worked at WHA S in Louisville, and of course anybody works there is now it Hashish Memphis, Yes, at WHBQ was it? I think so?

I think, yeah, he's just such a great guy. Um, you know. And and to be here in the studio with him recording him playing his parody songs and what have you. And of course one of the best videos I ever did of him in full makeup, he was dressed up as Earl Pitts American at the Hugh de Pole Brewery at the Stupie it's not what they called the Stupie or something at the I don't know it. At the and and and he was doing his big rally at Randy Michaels was there,

Um, Dave Reinhardt was was there. It was just a tremendous Mike McConnell. It was a tremendous time. And then when it was all over, my friend Michael Collins, who worked television for a long time here on Channel five, he comes walking in with his crew and it is all over, and I said, well, I've got it all on video, and they put it on the news that night and never even gave me credit. On the super on the screen where they credit who whose video they're using,

it said video courtesy Pits for Governor. Thanks at guys, God Almighty. But it was a fun time. Jim, you're you're talking about and you've told me some stories about hanging out with James Brown at the Old was it the Latin Quarter or well the Inner Circle, the Inner Center imas in town. Just a few weeks and I got a call from Pete Georgson on the Inner Circle. He said, mister Brown requests the presence of your company.

Can you join them tonight? And so it'll be like lemon thirty midnight and I'd go Inner Circle and mister Brown to have a table and uh using next to him was Bobby Byrd who's and on the other side was Anningenus, some female singer he was developing. And we sit around talk for hours I mean it would go so three to four or five o'clock in the morning, sit around talking to James Brown a number of times, loved, loved the stories. He actually convinced you to drive back to Cleveland. Yeah. I had

a girl, a girlfriend in Cleveland. So he said, you know you're still I said, yeah, I'm still in love with him, thinking about her all the time. He said, man, go get her, just go get her. So I got in my car and my little Corvette and drove back. Was a freeze by the time I got to Cleveland's frozen and Wise Advertising. She worked at Wise and I'm no Wise. Move. Yeah, So I'm there in the lobby and her girlfriend sees me and then I get Once the time Susan, I found Susan with another guy. She was

with another guy, and that was the end of Susan. That was the end of Susan. So but it was James Brown's advice to do that. So listen to the Godfather. Huh yeah, well maybe you needed that disappointment so you could move on. Yeah you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Johnny bench friends with john He lived directly above me. As a matter of fact, Susan Susan came down. We're looking for a place to live. So she's gonna come down and say and stay with me in Cincinnati. And

I'm looking for a place to live. And I were They put him up to Gibson Hotel here and I pull up the driveway and Smith Avenue of the form appointment said, there's a girl in a little two piece bathing suit blocking traffic. And there's a guy on the top floor pushing a refrigerator off the balcony because he's trying to get evicted. He's trying to get evicted. He had earlier and knocked the wall down. And all these kids and these girls

are standing by the swimming pool. It's right there, and they've got the little bathing suits on and then it comes tumbling down. Okay, so it hits the ground and the girl weighs me around and Susan, my girlfriend, says, you're not moving in here. That was on a Sunday, a Monday, I signed Deleasa. That was the end of that. But the apartment was Mike floor alone. David Conceptsio was at the end. Next name was Flynn Robinson from the Royals. Eventually, Mike Read moved in the bend

across the bend, across the hall from the Bengals. Doug Dressler back and fullback was directly across the hall, and Johnny Bench lived directly above me, and we had this room that we would communicate back and forth. Kenny Anderson moved in next door, didn't stay very long. The excitement was too much. Downstairs was just Phillips, the full back from the Bengals. Tommy Elms lived there, and Norm van Leer Storm, Norm van Leer from the Royales,

I mean all there at the forms. So it was like and it was a paradise, I will tell you it was already every night right exactly every night. So who's uh, of all the people you've met through this business, Dusty and through the connections in this business, did you have a favorite celebrity that really just impressed you and will well beyond being a fan of, but just somebody personally who impressed you that you do Carl Perkins, Oh, really, Blue Sway Shoes. Yeah, he was traveling with a WGRR

Oldies show and I talked to him for a long time. And Jerry Butler of the impression the ice Man. Yeah, and Jerry had gotten into politics in Chicago. He was elected a Cook County Commissioner against the Daily Machine and served for about twenty years as a Cook County Commissioner before Chicago went to hell. Uh that or the night Chicago dine at all yea every night, well every weekend, but anyway, But Jerry Butler was an impressive guy and Carl

Perkins was equally impressive. So those are the two that stand out. Uh. We got to meet a lot of Roy Robison, Frankie Valley of course the Beatles. Uh. And it was it was fun, it was no doubt. I'm just I'm just sitting here being enviousness mostly my job today. Well, listen, Art, I really appreciate you coming in. You're on your way to a talk radio simitar. We're gonna talk about you. Yeah, I bet you will. Yeah, it's hopefully in glowing terms. Yeah,

we'll see. It's my last year. I'm gonna do that. I can't. I'm getting up there in years and I just can't be doing this anymore. But I video taped, videotaped over the years, many many broadcast conferences, and they're they're a lot of fun, you know. But quitting on this one, of course, is very It's very republican, so if you even lean slightly left, you would be an outcast. But it's gonna be an interesting time. That's because conservatives make the best talk show hosts.

At least hear video. Between your videos and Jim's interviewers, we got a collection. We got a collection. Appreciate you so much. Great Jimmy here, thank you. I will hopefully talk to you on Saturday morning, seven thirty five. Rock and Roll Archaeology hard below. It's appointment listening. I listen every week. It's nice to finally meet my friend. Good feelings. But I camp continues with the furball Andy Furman right after one on seven hundred

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Now we're here heading into June, heading into summer full throttle, and poor poor Andy Furman still cannot get into his pool because he had hip surgery. That that was the last time we talked, and we were concerned. I was concerned anyway, that maybe something would go awry with the surgery. And but no, Andy survived that, and he's still rehabbing, he's still exercising. He's not where he would like to be yet, and in fact,

he's kind of crotchety about it. And I don't blame him. He'd like to get out and drive and move and do all the things he normally does. And you're still laid up. So Andy, how is the recovery going? Anyway? Let me tell you something. You are a freaking genius. Let me tell you why because people in radio should like mimit what you

do. You had me on the night of Monday, maybe eighth. My surgery was the next day, you had the greatest tease in radio history, saying I wonder if we'll talk to him again, meaning that I may perish Moreover, Not only was the teas great, I was getting sympathy nose to my wife at my homecouse of you. All right, but that's okay, But it was a great tease. You are a freaking genius, means yes, Andy. All that means is that people really really love you for whatever

reason. That's what it means. I don't know. I have no idea. However, I must really love you because you have taken me away from the seventh game between Boston and my im me in the NBA plays, But that's okay because I can still watch one. I'm sure we don't how much I love you. We will have We will have probably a final score in the news at ten thirty. Maybe in that maybe eleven, maybe maybe eleven. This is Hughson. By the way, did you see the finale of

Game six on Saturday night? Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. You know that goes up in the annals of great Celtics finishes, like an in nineteen eighty four when Larry Birds stole the ball and Dennis Johnson laid it up, and way back when when Johnny Mose was announcing the games of the Celtics, when John Havlicek stole the ball from how Greer against the seventy sixes and Johnny Moses going Havlote stole the ball, Halte stole the balls crazy. Well,

you're just right up there. This might even be better. You're talking about ancient history, and those are names. I know more of those names than I know the names on the roster of the Celtics or the heat. Now you know what I'm clue you brought that up because those people who talk sports know nothing about the history of books. Knowing that you should not have to because you know a little bit about everything, that's a compliment you do.

I know nothing about the other topics you talk about, political, whatever it may be, social, whatever you do a great job for. You knew just about enough to get by. And that sound like an idiot. But most people who talk sports talk sports within the last two years. They know nothing about history. And I think it's terribly important to know history in the world of sports. For example, today's Memorial Day. What was the

less frequent time baseball teams did not play a Memorial Day. It's unbelievable. Back when the House of Child do a doubleheaders, forget about that. That won't ever happen again. But every team played a Memorial Day. Reds are off today, Thank goodness, you're on and they play the Red Sox to m R nine and Boss. Did everybody in the MLB take today off for just the Redsandy? I think several teams have taken the day off. Haven't

checked out all of them. But there was a tradition that Oreal Day was doubleheader, and more often than not, the history tell tells us that those teams that are in first place a Memorial Day, more often than not would win the pennant that was baseball More it really was, well, they can't lose any ground if they don't play on Memorial Day, if they're in first place right now? Yeah, you know, look, I hear the I love sports. I love sports talk all aspects of it. I worked in

Fox Sports Radio. I listened to my cohorts there. I listed seven hundred WW list of fifteen thirty. But when they talk about the greatest players of all time, I never hear Will Chamberlain's name in basketball. I never hear Elgin Baylor. You've got not because they didn't want to talk about them. But they don't know. You have to study period. In the story they talk about Michael Jordan, the greatest ever. Michael Jordan was great, and

you love them, but the greatest ever was Will Chamberlain. Worried? You know what? What's uh, what's special? Since we're on this topic, what's special about the town of Hershey, Pennsylvania Besides Chocolate Dandy, the hockey team, hockey team. I guess the Hershey Squirts, right, No, I think they're the Bears. Bears, Yeah, the Bears, not the Squirts and the amusement park. I'm not the Hershey Kisses. That's not what That's not what i'm you know, that's not what I'm referencing. It's not

what I'm referencing. You're you're still not. It was n nineteen sixty two and the Philadelphia Warriors we're playing in Hershey, and and Wilt the still scored one hundred points, still the highest total in any single. He was twenty eight for thirty two from the foul on he was a terrible foul. Oh yeah, but Johnny Green was playing center. Daryl Limhof moved over to center for the New York Knicks that game. Basically no one knew about it.

Really, it was in the Hinderlands, and it was really back in the day, the NBA played many regular season games in all fet cities to drum up interest and get attendance. So Hershey, Pennsylvania, was where that happened. I wonder says the last time the NBA have had a game in Hershey. I'm not sure you'll see what they should have done. And I don't never do that because of you know, big big arenas and private boxes and people with season tickets. But they should have had an anniversary date and had

a game with Philadelphia. Now the seventy six is playing in Hershey, they should have had a game there, a regular season game. But those things will never happen. They just don't do those things anymore. Well, back to today and the series that's going on as we speak right now between Boston and Miami. The seventh game. I actually am rooting for the Celtics to

win tonight. And I didn't follow the NBA all year long. I'm not a crazy fanatic like you are or a lot of other people are around here, not a big hoops guy when it comes to the National Basketball Association. But I did find somebody to root for, and that's the Boston Celtics. So any one in particular on the Celtics that you enjoy watching, I have no idea. I just added me to embarrass the guy. The guy, the guy's name Smart, who has the multi colored hair. He's he's a

He's a hell of a player. He really is brown. Yes. Isn't there a Johnson on almost every NBA team somewhere? Yeah? Probably probably Johnson and Washington. Yeah. Do you think Williams and Williams Williams, Williams, Robert william You see all that, all the currant Williams the same name. Yeah, that's okay. Do you think you'll see do you think you'll see Lebron James kid in the NBA? You know, I think your brother Lebron James, because when when I want to talk about him, I'm talking about

his kid. I can't stand Lebron James. I just wondered, I know, he's got to I just want to mention the funny thing about him. Yeah, they got elimited about Denver Nuggets and there out of the playoffs, right, and the elimination should have been the story I think should have been how great Denver played. You know, Luca was tremendous for Denver. Finally he gets on a big stage of people can see that. Basically, he's probably the best player in the NBA now, not Joel and beat was the

MVP. Luk at Donahua got the MVP award. But it's a whole storyline circled about Lebron and will he come back next year? Nothing about how the Lake has failed in that platoff series, nothing about how great Denver was the whole storyline. He's a genius dude like you. He turned it around saying, I don't know if I'm going to come back next year. I got to ponder this, and I get it. A lot of athletes after an elimination game that's tired, that beat up, they want to think about it.

He'll be back the sixth season, number twenty one. But it was a genius thing that it was all about him, nothing about the failure of the lads and how great Denver was. Well, you know what, And I think that Giselle tom Brady's I guess soon to be X has told Lebron that if he if he plays next year, she's not going to sleep with him, which is maybe a motivating factor for him to play next year. And I think he's his son's going to play with him. Eventually, Brownie's

gonna play with him. But now you talk about tom Brady, now he's a part owner of the Los Angeles the Las Vegas Raiders. This room is now on the internet. That will he play for the Raiders? Will it come out of retirement and play again? I mean, can we move on? I mean he's used to go, no doubt, but can we move on? You know, some people think that the league or the business that they're in cannot survive without them. The league will do well. The National

Football League will survive and go on forever with or without tom Brady. And it was great watching him play, but I think it's time to move on and let the Joe Burrows move in. Let the Patrick Mahomes move in. Yeah, you wanted to talk about Joe Burrow in the press conference the other day, Andy, Oh, yeah, that was a funny situation, and I wish I could have been there, but I was a little gimpy with

one leg. But I will be there in the future for another news conference because the media there, the media wagging their tails and having their tongue sticking out, and all they wanted to know about Joe book. Did you sign your contraence to the contract side. You know, it's got to the point that it's nauseating. He's gonna play, He's going to be here, He's basically said, and you even admitted this. He basically said, I'm more

interested in rings than money. He wants to spread the wealth to get his teammates the money that they deserve. What is the whole situation? What is the anticipation? Why do you want to be first to say that you got the story that he's signed a contract. He's going to sign a contract. Be creative. Give me a story about what do you do. What's a typical day in the life of Joe Burrowdin. I'd like to know that what do you do for exercises? What are your meals? What do you go

for entertainment? You know, how do you hide from the public these are the stories I want to know about, not your contract, because to go to sign the frequent contract, and that's all they wanted to know. Just like my quarterback in my Kansas City Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes or as I like to say, my Mahomy, he has said that he's more interested in winning rings than he is making money. He's the money's gonna be there. It's

all the hype. It's all the hype about the Lamar Jackson contract and who I don't think is worth it, the Deshaun Watson contract, which certainly I didn't think he was worth it. They didn't even know how many frigging games he was going to play for the Browns when he got in No big shakes. I never was impressed by him when he was in Houston. Uh he had you know, yeah, But you know, it's people want to talk about People want to talk about the money, including these mindless reporters that you're

talking about at the Joe Burrow news conference. They want to talk about money because they think that that's what their audience cares about. And and that's all they care about is the bright chan and the audience certainly doesn't care about it. And I think the money is what separates the audience from the game itself. They they want to give the audience something else to bitch about, because that's the number one complaint that the average Joe has about professional sports is how

much these players get paid. The great ones and the ones who maybe you're not even so great, but still get the big contracts. People want to bitch about that all the time. So I think it's just a way of reporters stirring the pot to give the public something else to bitch about. What about that he's going to any ball game, go to a Reds game and get a guy with a big contract and he goes on for three strikes out three times? Oh, that's so be he's making X amount of dollars.

Is that all he could do? Right? I mean? And then he's gonna be doing that to hunt the green if he doesn't turn around. That's just the way life is. The worst thing that ever happened is when contracts of Major League ballplayers, baseball, football, whatever became public public right. But the point is they had to become public because agents compete with one another to sign their player. That's how Lamar Jackson got his contracts. Because one

other quarterback got more than him and he wanted more. So it's always going to be that way. But as soon as these contracts became public, that's was the ruination of the sports really had a division between fan and at the game itself. I had a friend named Andrew Felix, and he always said his dad would talk about certain people, and I think this definitely relates to

most sports agents. He called them real estate selling bastards. And and then so you got you had a bunch of greedy guys who really don't do anything but hang on the phone all day with chicks uh from the ten percent or whatever they're making from their star athletes and act like they're they're big deals because their guy gets multiple million dollars. It's the biggest contract ever. I'm the

I'm the king discounting with the parasite. Yes, is the sports agent primarily is the parasite, or as Andrew Felix's father would say, a real estate selling bastard. And the media and the media and the media, as you mentioned, they don't they all contribute to turn this into a pile of garbage. The whole discussion. Yeah, my god, it's funny no, I'm sorry you mentioned to me. I'll tell about the Cincinnati Reds for a second. They came out with these new uniforms about two weeks ago, okay,

and I looked at them and they were black. First of all, I would never want to put that uniform on when the temperatures like ninety five. Okay, okay. But they asked, they did like a survey. I'm watching the game on TV and listening. I'm a big one, you know, And then what do you like about the uniform? Did you honestly think any one of those people would say, you know, I'm not particularly keen of the un Did you think that anybody would have to hang it down to

say, really, I thought the Reds were red, not black. Did anyone have the guts the units to say? But now they were gushing, I love them, They're beautiful. They would have said that before they saw the uniforms. I mean, maybe I'm stupid, maybe I'm crazy. Maybe I'm like you say, I'm an old easer. No, you don't know what being honest, you gotta be true to yourself. You know who you are, you know what you are. Discounting the black jerseys, you're a

red supremacist dandy. Well, maybe I am. Maybe I am, And I liked the old red uniform. Have no problem with that. Yeah, I don't hate you, but I don't particularly like them. I am actually wearing a red red jersey with the number twenty nine on it in honor of my old friend Tracy Jones. Yes, I'm wearing that right now as we speak. Listen. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you so much for taking time out of your convalescing with your new hip. And get get

back. Get back to normal, man, get back to snuff. We want to say, we want to see you out and about though, walking around. I'll be back. Well, I'm okay, I mean I'm getting around. Have you got it? Have you got a Have you got a Gary Jeff Walker? I had one for a day or two, and I got rid of that because that was embarrassing. I mean, I got a physical therapy at christ Hospital. I'm in the waiting room with all these other people, with these walkers, and what is this. I'm not like these

people. I'm better than that. So when I left, I threw it away. Then they gave me a cane. I walk with a cave for a day or two. But I'm kind of walking without the camp. But holy the cave for balanced fift in case, well, that's a good arm I'll work in my funds. I'm really working, Urball. I want to get rid of it, Furball. I got I gotta go. We'll talk to you soon. Yeah you two. Bye. Oh my seven hundred W

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have the Godfather theme playing here. I really ought to Rocco Costallano has The Biohacking Institution is Biohacking Center and Fitness Center at five nineteen Madison Avenue, Covington, Rocco. Good evening and welcome back to the Nightcap. Thank you. And you know what you will finally uh figure out the theme music for me the gop oh, let's get physically. You know what? What does the rock cooge something? We will figure it out. We have a maned many

episodes to go through a sud It takes me. It takes me usually about three or four months to properly brand something. So I'm working on it right now with my marketing team. Yeah, and I much are the other voices

inside my head right, So a couple of things. Obviously, a long holiday weekend and any advice you can give, and when it comes to consuming alcohol is already too late for almost everybody at this point on a Memorial Day night, but you know, there was a lot, maybe not as much bud light consumed this weekend as there were past Memorial Day weekends, but there was a lot of alcohol consumed, a lot of beer, a lot of wine, a lot of spirits. And of course I am a bartender.

That's my other job. So tell me how I'm killing people, Rocco. Well, actually you're not killing people. Okay, they're literally well they're killing themselves in a way. Okay. Personal accountability. That's we need more events, any more of responsibility, more accountability. And uh. One thing that I did see this weekend though, which was very, very wild, is that there are many more people drinking non alcoholic beer. That's really really cool.

And you know, and I actually I drank a non alcoholic beer because I don't I like the taste of beer and there's nothing better. I don't care what anybody says. After you're mowing the lawn, it's a really hot day and you grab a nice cold beer and you could just chug it down. It just feels so good going down. Yeah, you're I've never been a beer guy. I'm I'm a I'm more of a spirits guy myself.

Well, and I used to be. After after mowing the lawn. I have a little postage stamp lawn there in Southgate, Kentucky, So I usually mow mine and mow the next door neighbors because I'm using his mower. I think it's only fair and to mow both of them. It takes about twenty minutes. But on a hot daylight today was you know, that's that's a lot of that's a lot of time out in the sun. And my go to is unsweetened decaffe eated iced tea. Yeah. See I love that.

Yeah, I love Uh is this terrible for me? Actually? No, no caffeine. We've seen now that up to four cups of coffee and and iced teas and and all that are actually a good you know, uh well coffee is better than uh than iced tea. Uh, but you know, a green tea is going to be the best. But getting back to the alcohol thing. One thing that I had to Yeah, I know, I know this is not the commercial you were hoping for for for my bar too,

but the bo attending school or whatever. Yeah. So one, uh one big thing that I learned and why I don't drink anymore is because I figured I found out because I didn't realize until I realized how much poison I was literally putting in my in my body. And and we've heard this ethanol is you know, is a poison to the brain. Um. A really crazy weird thing is that ethanol goes in the body and that's poison. But the liver has to convert it to a more dangerous poison called acetal analone.

And that's what actually uh makes you intoxicated. That process fault. It's the liver's fault, absolutely, the liver's fault, right, And the liver has to do a lot of different things, and that's one of them. So it converts poison into a more dangerous poison. And then and then just to get rid I was gonna say, I thought the liver's job was to get rid of the poison. R Right. It does, but it has to

convert it. And then in order to metabolize that poison, it has to turn it to acetone, which if you drank nailpox remove it, you would literally die, you right, your poison, So it has to it has to you take it in poison. It has to convert it to a more dangerous poison and then processes it and turns it into acetone. Right, and then where does it so that you could sweat so that you can metabolize it.

So it goes through your liver again and then your digestive system and your bloodstream and all of the time it's affecting your brain, your tissue, you know, like the tissues. It's dehydrating things. And I mean it's just wreaking havoc on your body. The dehydration. Dehydration thing is a big part of why it's bad, isn't it. Well, it's it's one of them, you know, it's one of them. Um, I just don't like

that we're literally poisoning our brain. And uh, and we're finding that people that regularly drank, right, and this is the weird right, but this is the weird piece. Regularly means not just every day, not just every weekend. Regularly. The brain looks at if you drink every Friday, uh, two drinks, that would be considered a regularly. If you drink once a month on a Friday, right, every every month, the brain remembers that. Now here's another insane piece of the puzzle. With alcohol. Almost

everyone, almost everyone who drinks alcohol drinks it to destress. To you know, you have a drink or two to kind of calm down your day was horrible or you have you know, a million kids that yet or the day ended in in a y right, that can be very stressful. Right when you realize there aren't any days of the week that don't end in a y. You know, why why is this happening? I know I'll find the answer in that bottle of Jack Daniels. Well, hopefully not the bottle.

But so we we want more poisons. It's more poison, right, and they're protesting more poison, more poison, more poison, right. So so the thing about distressing, right, the more alcohol that you put in your body, it actually lowers your baseline. So you have to drink more alcohol just to get to your baseline and then to actually distress and to calm down. Now that so you literally have to drink more in order to get the

same effects that you started. So I'm not I'm not stressed out anymore, but I'm within the limits of being dead good consory of my bac well, and then and then it also affects your sleep, your's acadian rhythm, all of that. So now not only are you are you poisoning yourself and you're not really distressing, you're not sleeping better, which is which sleep is literally

the most important piece of everything else. But you know, you and I have talked a lot about the food we take into our bodies and how it affects our health, Rocko. But you say that sleep is even more important and a more important component of how healthy you are, getting the proper rest than even what you put into your body food wise. Right, Oh, it's yeah, because there's so much confusion and there's so much a controversy out

there on on what's the best diet, what's the best food intake? You know, paleo, keto, vegan, vegetarian, pscotarian, Yeah, I mean right, it's it's it's literally like Lesbytarian lesbetarian. You can you see, I really don't know what Lesbytarians eat, but I've got an idea. Anyway, Well, continue, continue. We always have to go off the rails, just a little tiny bit, but just a little. So we so we have to um look at not just all the all the different religion

foods. Um. Right. So that's why I like, I really like to go after sleep first, because stress, eating, weight loss, alcohol, alcohol, all of that is is literally related to how well you sleep. And most people don't even know why we sleep, how we sleep.

The whole thing about and then the scene and and and then a scene is a really awesome chemical that cree yates something called sleep pressure, right, and when you build up and denis scene in your in your body, because it's always gonna be and denising and denis yeah and denniscene, and that's that's what makes you groggy. But it also creates something called sleep pressure, and that's

what what builds you up to becoming tired. And caffeine, which is the most abused and overused drug in the world, um, actually uh tricks the body and actually masks and denis scene. So that, um, so you're not tired, you know. So you're not tired. But then when it when the caffeine dissipates, it's got it's got a half life of about five to seven hours. Uh, then all of a sudden, you know that, and then is the boom. Every day the wheels definitely fall off and

you're tired. And and what the research shows is that if you're overtired, Uh, if you're overtired, it's worse than being drunk on the road. So right, so if they've actually done studies like simulation studies that if they if you were overtired compared to if you were impaired with alcohol, the sleep odd deprivation, you would be way way worse or talking to Rocco Costellano on the night camp on this Memorial Day night on seven LW Gary Jeff with Rocco.

We got just a few minutes left, you were telling me and I did not know this. You just kind of made a random remark when we were coming up the elevator tonight about JFK. Junior, And yeah, I did not know that you had been a personal trainer for JFK. Junior, the late President's son. Yeah, it was years ago. I used to

work for a company called called A Plus one Fitness Clinic. And then, um, well it was very funny because we had to kind of go in in a side elevated that A and then up and then through all these different things. And it reminded me of what I had to do because I was invited to train him at his at his apartment in a New York City, but I had to sneak in as as a janitor, uh, in a janitor outfit so that the the paparazzi wouldn't wouldn't bother me. And and how

did you get that connection through your company? I mean you your training ken A clinic was uh was at at work at one World Trade Center and he used to come there as as as a client, and he seemed to like me, and and I was, you know, I was a really good, you know, a trainer at the time, and he liked my philosophy and the way that I trained build because I trained with something called a manual a resistance training, which was me simulating weights and it was it becomes a

much much faster workout and I can then control the speed of you know, of the movement. I could control the weight I could I could control the concentric contraction and the eccentric a contraction. What was John John like? He was? He was U He was the most wonderful person that I've ever I've ever met. You would never realize that he was as as popular and way hold on a second, the most wonderful person you've ever met. And I'm

sitting right here. You really know how to hurt my feeling? Well, you know it is it is what it is that no, I mean, yeah, he was absolutely wonderful. And I was just a regular guy. Like there was nothing pretentious about him, even though there was so much pretense security around him that they had, Like you said, you had to dress as a janitor and go up a you know, a big elevator or whatever

to go meet him. Well, the security it was weird. You never saw the security and we were just I was just told, hey, you may want to do this because if you know they're gonna be asking your questions are the paparazzi is are just vicious, vicious, and they're gonna try to like trick you. They're gonna try to figure out if they find out that my you're my trainer, then it's gonna be uh, They're gonna be in your face all the time, all the time. And back then I was

not the nice guy that I am now. I was really I was really back when you had that problem with your brain. Yes, yeah, yeah, I liked I really liked hitting people. What's what's What's new? Train with Rocco? I got about maybe forty five seconds, give me some parting piece here Rocco. So there was a lot um I was um. I

was just in Vegas. I Uh. We put on this big well a wellness lounge for for all the top uh private equity and banks uh as it was with you know, for like Goldman, Sachs and all that, and they all loved all the new technology that would bringing to the market when it comes to PEMF, like the brand new coal plunge stuff we have. We have. There was a really cool thing that I can't I'll wait to get

in to trained with Rocco. Is called is called the body Activator. All right, So I'll look out there, we'll watch for the body Activator, the PEMF, the coal plunge. It's trained with Rocco dot com. And you can go to five nineteen Madison Avenue in Covington whenever Rocco is going to be in town. He's been a traveler these days. But thanks for thanks for shaman in on the night Mate nightcap brother. All right, guy, Jeff, thank you so much. All right, bye. The Nightcab continues

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this half hour, the one and only spouting off the Mistress of spouting off Karen Karen Cataline from Deep in the Heart of Texas. How are you on this Memorial Day night. I am doing well, and we're all sat a prayer for those who gave their last full measure for our country. And I've yeah, so we can get into it. But I've talked to a few people who said, God, it's depressing, you know, because what if they give their lives for for this, I don't think so. Yeah,

the other side of that coin, no for me. Karen Is and Johnny Joey Jones. You know the veteran who lost both of his legs and I don't know if you've seen him before. He's on Fox News alone, Johnny Joey Jones. That's why I haven't seen him. I don't have Fox all right, Johnny Johnny Joey Jones. In reference to Memorial Day and the people disrespecting in many people's eyes, the memories of those who sacrificed everything, he said, we do it ultimately for people who don't appreciate it. I mean,

that's part of the creed of the code. So you know, questioning why they did it maybe isn't the right question, But how we should react to what they do is the question. Well, I know why they did it, and I'm I'm disturbed by the direction the country is gone. And just to clarify, I didn't mean literally you know, why did they do it? Sure, I know what why they did it. They did it for honor, they did it for the love of our country as it was

founded. And that's why many of us are heartsick about what's going on today. Absolutely to make such a broad general uh thing I think is the right

word for many of us. Yes, yes, yes, And so when I say why did they do it, it's really a rhetorical question to ask what a stain on their memory that we have people today who are not remembering how precious liberty, individual liberty truly is, that people in our country knew and understood what a precious gift it is to live in a country that revers our God given liberties and to find people who are selling those out today and

others who have been dumbed down to such a degree that they don't know how precious liberty is. And it's always more precious when you've lost it, and it's damned difficult to get it back when you've lost it, no doubt. And people in people from eastern former Eastern Bloc countries or communist countries who come

here say that every day. Every day. I want to Scott Powell, who we both know and who's wonderful right writing for the Federalist today, and he said when Americans sacrifice their lives in military service, it was not just to defend the United States, but to uphold the natural rights associated with the nation's founding, and he goes on, in the last few generations of Americans.

If the last few generations of Americans understood the origin and meaning of Memorial Day, we might have avoided the trauma of division and corruption that now threatens the United States as never before. Memorial Day was founded on the biblical ideals of forgiveness and reconciliation shortly after the Civil War. That conflict cost at least six hundred and twenty thousand men more casualties than all of America's other wars combined.

So I mean, but he goes on, and he says, Memorial Day, then is it's more about the basic ideals the country was founded upon even then the defense of the United States as an entity as a country, that it's the defense of the ideals of the republic. You agree with absolutely, I do. And I also was touched by what you said about that. You know, when you thought I'm in something different, I meant to say that when you said they did it for people who don't understand, well,

that's true of protecting our freedoms and protecting other people for it. As an example, our first Amendment, our first Amendment, is not only for those things we dislike that we must stand up for other people's rights to say. But we I hope patriots listeners to your show certainly understand that that when we stand up for other people's rights to say what we don't like, we are standing up for our own rights to say what other people don't like.

That our freedom depends on other people's understanding of it, because if they don't understand it, they're gonna think they're gonna be one more sentence. I know you're going to talk to So don't forget what you're gonna say. They do not understand that if you can convince ignorant people that words and ideas and thinking differently are dangerous and a threat to this country, then you can outlaw them just like that. All you have to do is tell people this is a

threat to democracy, and let's not talk about democracy versus republic. It's a threat to our country. So this is the fraud that they're perpetrating that thinking differently dissent is a threat, But of course rioting in the streets and burning down Wendy's is not a threat, And that is a bastardization. Turning upside down exactly what our founders knew is that descent and tolerance for descent is the

first Amendment for a reason. YEA, Free speech matters, Karen, Free speech match, f M M F M F Do we need Do we need like a new group called FSM Free Speech Matter? Remember Speech Matter? I want to see that painted down that boulevard in Washington, d C. See how long that last? All right? So speaking of speaking of DC real quick, and we're taking the day off politically for the most part, although

not yet. Um. Karen Cataline our guest on the nightcap. Um. The whole debt ceiling kabuki theater that's been going on for well really for the past whatever three four or five months. Kevin McCarthy is known, Joe Biden is known, they've all known that this was coming up, and they push it right up to Janet Yellen's you know, whatever imaginary date that they've got

to get it done in or the country defaults on its loans. And it's this way every time, whether it's a budget or raising the debt ceiling, or whether it's city government. And we see it in Cincinnati. You know that they kick the can down the road until there's no more road left.

And then they got to figure out how to put together a budget that actually works, and state governments do it, and of course the federal government, where there's so much obesity, so much large ass and so much centralized power that you know, you figure they would have figured this out before now. But it's all part of the political process, and it's posturing and it's virtue signaling, and they all blame each other for not getting it done on time.

We've got to get the country's going to default. Well, you've only known about that for you know how many ever long ass months, and you haven't done anything about it until the very end. That procrastination doesn't even cover the word that I'm thinking of, because the word that I'm thinking of probably shouldn't even better uttered on the air legally. So. But it has something to do with BS, which you can say, I believe the airs letters B spsps. Well, what I like, what I liked what I call

bovine fecal samples. There you go, bovine fecal samples. You know, whenever it seems as if these days, whenever the government is fearmongering on something you shouldn't worry when the government tells you don't worry, that's when you should start worrying. That's an excellent point. I thought about it that way.

Oh, I mean absolutely. I mean look what they did. You can just point to case after case after case, and when there is something to worry about, and you start asking questions about that thing that you're worried about, it makes people like you and me realize and validate that there's something to worry about. When they persecute people for asking questions about that which they are worried about. If you are not allowed to ask questions or dissent, then

that's when you should start worrying. Apropos of the point I made before, and I love your characterization, there's we need about three more adjectives. Kabuki

theater. What is not kabuki theater? Today? All of it seems to be spoon fed to us in order to keep us entertained, keep us distracted, keep us constantly, push narratives over and over and over again, until the social pressure for not believing something is so high that most people, except for defiant curs like you and me and your listeners in mine, they just go along just to get along. That's what they want. They want people to do that. I've seen examples of it again and again and again.

It isn't just victim virtue signaling. It's the whole notion that you don't have to think anymore because the social narrative that they fed you has done it all for you. It's like presoftened bubblegum. Right, you already know from the moment that a horrible crime, crime has happened, who's guilty, who you should blame? And they've thrown out as you know, they've thrown out innocent

until proven guilty. They've thrown out until a judge of your jury, of your peers can find the facts in that instance, all of it spoon fed for our benefit, including this budget thing I still have. I'm such a dinosaur. I still have AOL. And whenever I see the jumping up and down and jumping up and down of AOL, HuffPo and every day on page number one is another story about the bet ceiling, the bed ceiling. I just pass it and say they'll figure it out, and both of them will

sell out a certain amount, and they'll both scream foul. They'll both cry foul that the other side, and you know what, most times they're working

together. It is theater, all of it. And I might add we were not going to talk about this, but I think the Republican primary is going to be a lot of it, most of the kubuki theater, with the Democrats egging people on to be at each other's throats, egging on candidates that nobody likes and yet they're running anyway, egging on candidates to stick it to Donald Trump so he won't even run because that's the one they're most afraid of. But that Yet, the elephant in the living room is if they

have elections sewn up. As much as Katie mc McFarlane says so, and she's seen a thing or two in her time, the elephant in the living room is that they really don't care because they could. They could possibly, it's possible that they could run and get elected John Fetterman if they wanted to. I mean, what is Joe Biden accept another version of John Fetterman? Right? Oh yeah, I mean with maybe without the stroke. But yes, you want to talk about meaning power, stroke, meaning power. He

doesn't have as much stroke as Joe Biden. Okay, you can look at it that way. Whatever you know, there's been there's been blood cut off to the brain and in Joe's in Joe's case, I'm not sure there's even blood running through his entire body. I'm not sure. It's give us a new term name to the term bloodless coup. And by the way, what we're talking about, what we're talking about right now is talk radio with a

grand tradition of descent, debate, discussion. And do you know that many, many people who may be listening, I don't know if they're listening or not, they think that our discussion here is somehow um um, what do you call it? It's it's treason us to talk about something different. Can you imagine the radical the leftists of the sixties if we told them where we'd

be today. Many of them are here today and have abandoned every principle they ever had to think that you can have a discussion in which one person is thinking outside of the box and they're going to get punished for having uttered an opinion that other people don't like or agree with. Give me for just tacking that on the street. The street preacher in Arkansas who was arrested a year after an event where he was railing against LGBTQ supporting businesses. He got arrested

on a misdemeanor harassment charge a year after this harassment. Who was the victim? I mean, who is the claimed victim? Here? A restaurant You said something I didn't like? Oh, yes, a restaurant owner that he was in front of her restaurant. He's you know, and he was he was street reaching out in front of it. The thing was, it was Sunday and the restaurant was closed. There was nobody there and it was a closed restaurant and away and after the fact she filed charges that nobody ever bothered

to tell him about. And then they picked him other pulled him over and picked him up for basically, uh, exhibiting his right to freedom of speech. With that, we need to we need to close this out. But I want to thank you for making our Memorial Day night to call memorable. Well, you are always memorable. It's an honor and a pleasure to be with you. And maybe we all say a prayer for this country, not just on Memorial Day but every day, that liberty will be restored in this

country. And I just don't buy into the divisiveness. Yeah, right and right soon KK. Thank you Karen Cataline dot com. If you want to find Karen. We'll continue in moments on seven HUNDLW. Rocco's coming up next. It's a mussy. If you're in Bristol, Connecticut, North America's tallest elevator test tower, we hear the tests and their pumps and downs. Wherever

you roam, take us with you. Listen to the seven hundred WLW limestream on the iHeart Radio ad the roar of the crowd singing as one on this nightcap, on this Memorial Day night, A conversation with somebody that I've missed talking to and with the small amount of shows that I've had to do here since Red's baseball kicked, and I don't get many opportunities, and I wanted to bring him back because this debate is still raging full on, against against

science, against God, and against the rights and protecting young people in this country when it comes to this trans movement, this grooming of kids who don't understand what they're doing when they're taking the hormone and don't understand what it actually means when someone suggests to them that they need major reassignment surgery. And kids are you know? They, like I said, they have no idea, They can't fathom what they're doing, the kind of decision that they're making.

Like I never made many great decisions when I was twelve and thirteen and fourteen years old, as I remember. But this guy is a former female impersona entertainer who was legendary for his Brittany Spears when he was doing that, and now today he has made it his mission to fight for the children of America, to fight to bring God back into our society. And that mission is something that I will help join him in any time he allows me a chance

to talk. Lady Maga Ryan Wood, good evening, How are you, sir, Good evening, Hello from beautiful Utah on this fine Memorial Day. Just a quick correction there, I did do Britney Spears and cause play and

all of that. I will always enjoy dressing up. And the reason I still dress up as Lady Maga Usa is because it's a visual science of the narrative that if you're a theatrical person, or you're a boy who liked barbies or pink who are not the opposite gender, you are not to invade women's sports spaces or locker rooms, and you're not to use it as an excuse to label a child and abuse them emotionally and physically by telling them they're in the wrong body. So my dress up, you know, wigs, makeup,

theatrics. It used to be for fun until I had to step away from the lgbt QI alphabet dangerous mafia, and now it's primarily a political tool. Here in Utah, we got House Bill or Senate Bill sixteen pass. I testified with Senator Michael Kennedy and a woman named Chloe Cole, an eighteen year old who was butchered underage. And one of the reasons my message comes across and helps people understand is because I've always loved Barbie. I've always loved

dress up, and there's good and bad in all things. And right now, drag queen, which is what I used to call myself, now I just call myself a costume artists. They are in schools indoctrinating and sexualizing children. They're not dressing up for theatrics. They're not dressing up for fun. They are forcibly and manipulatively going into our sacred spaces for children, and that is why there is a huge backlash against anybody who likes to dress up.

And the majority of fun drag queens who you know, Aretha Franklin, some fat black guy who likes to be Aretha Franklin, nobody cared and no one does care. But the reason there's this backlash is because a loud and annoying and obnoxious and dangerous portion of drag queens have decided to make it their mission to make it for children, and it should not be no, So that's

it's it's and they're using drag queens and dress up. Keep in mind, the whole point of a female, a man dressing up like that, Like the reason the movie Some Like It Hot with Marilyn Monroe is hilarious is because we know that's a man, and doesn't he look fabulous. This is hilarious. This is comedy, this is theater. So they've they've erased that, and they're using the fact that some men like myself are theatrical and fun.

They're using that to push some transagenda because the gay agenda is over America was over the fact that their neighbors are lesbians. Nobody cares literally, the battle was won. Nobody's getting thrown off the building, nobody's getting beat up. You know, it's not illegal. There was no need to push the gay movement any further, but it's lucrative. It's a business. The Human Rights campaign target stores. They need that victim narrative to expand, which is why

the narratives no longer about common sense gay people like myself. I'm just gay, y'all. I'm not an alphabet. They had they had to, They had to create a new victim narrative, and what better narrative than to involve children, call them trans and say we're saving their lives. It's about power,

it's about money, and that is what we are seeing today. So gay's against groomers, Lady Maga USA, countless hundreds of thousands of common sense gay and lesbian people are saying, look, we're not LGBTQ, and we do not understand why the trans t was ever attached to us in the first place. Most so called trans women meaning a man, they are heterosexual, they keep their genitalia, and they still sleep with women. So I don't understand how I ever had to be lumped in with them, And I just

made it very very clear that I'm not part of the gay community. I'm not part of the LGBTQ community. I am an individualist, I am an American, and I happen to be gay. And the only reason I tell people I'm gay is because evil things are being done in my name, so to speak. Yeah, And when I when I dress up, I dress up classy, I'm covered ne tote, you know, and I don't I don't hold events that are child focused trying to tell them about homosexuality, tell

them about gender fluidity. You're not going to go in You're not going to go into a public library and read stories for five year olds in your get up, in your costume. That would be entirely inappropriate. Library is a safe haveing for families to go and have quiet time and read books, and you know, the indoctrination of children. I don't need America's children to validate me. I don't need them to know anything about my sexuality. And in

my own family, I grew up Mormon. I'm the youngest of eight children. I have over fifty six nieces and nephews and great nieces and nephews. And when it comes time to have a conversation about Uncle Ryan or Uncle Ryan dressing up as Lady Maga or in the past, you know Rapunzel or Britney Spears. I go to the parents first, and I say, how do you want to address this topic? And when I was married to my ex husband, some of them said, oh, it's fine in orders them as

your husband, that's fine with us. Do you see where I go first the parings, yes, of course. And with my and with my religious family members who love me, but they don't like dress up and they don't like gay. I say, okay, guess what you lead the conversation. And if they have, if they have a talk, they say, you know what Uncle Ryan dresses up. It's like hollowe. You know, he could be Spider Man, he could be he could be a unicorn, he

could be a strawberry. And he likes to dress up. And of story, no gender blurring, no explanations that some boys are actually girls and they're boarding the wrong party. And here's about purity blockers, and you don't have to never And when it comes to the issue of homosexuality, I said, that's totally fine. Who does Uncle Ryan live with a special friend? And of story, America's children belong to America's parents, not the school, not

the LGBTQ, and not the government. Yes, and I'm out here mutah fighting. I want to go to mobal Zoo. It's a nice zoo here in Utah. I go to their website. June first is Family Pride Day, and so I posted about it and I message Jutah Parents United, and everybody has ad messaged them. We don't go to the zoo to see a celebration of sexuality. We go to the zoo to look at the polar bears. Yeah, oh no, no, no question. You said a couple of things that are true, and I want you to see the because these

two topics are being linked together by this cabal, this trans industry. Another industry that is about literally killing children, the abortion industry. And it's the same group of political pedophiles who do not care about children, do not care about the promise of life that God gave us all, don't care about the parents. Obviously. You know, people are in bad situations in Nebraska.

I don't know if you saw this or not. Ryan, They were a state senator there upon passage of a bill approved by lawmakers sent to the governor in Nebraska to sign it. Banned sex change procedures for miners as well as abortions after twelve weeks of pregnancy. It seems like they're really into protecting children in Nebraska, except for this lady. And you mentioned the loud, annoying,

insane arguments on the other side. Let's listen to a little bit of Nebraska State Senator Kayla mccavanaugh in the middle of this as a as a kind of sounding off her rejection of this bill. Listened to her, everydy love trans people, trans people belong here, we need trans people, we love trans people. Trans people belong here, we need trans people, we love

trans people. Trans people belong here. She just gets more and more manic love trans people, trans people belong here, we need trans people, we love trans people. Trans people belong here, we need trans people, we love trans people, trans people belong Nothing in the Nebraska law outlawed trans people adults. It was about no it was about sex change change surgeries for minors. And she goes off into this tirade. We still going, just goes

on. Let exactly, they're insane because I've been when I testified to protect children of Utah. Think goodness, our bill passed, but I had to be escorted to my car by the Capitol police because of the mob that forms screaming exactly the same phrases. You know, trans people are here to say whah blah blah blah. What she should be saying is we need child mutilation, we need mental illness, we need increased suicide rates, we need increased

cancer rates, we need you know, sexualization of children. This is honestly, I'm at the point where I'm listening to a biography of King Henry the eighth and the level of insanity under his rule, of what he got away with, of what he convinced people to say out of fear, you know, the king's sovereignty over the church. It was thought police, it was everything. And we look back and think, oh, that's totally insanity.

We are living one of the most insane, evil chapters of human history, and it's so crazy that it's twenty twenty three and we're supposed to be advanced. We have digressed to a point of savage assects and Mayans who justified human sacrifice, human mutilation in the name of their religion, and we would look

at that and say, oh, that's insane. What's different between climbing a pyramid and sacrificing a child on the altar, then drugging them, cutting off their breasts and or their genitation Eliah, rendering them infertile for life, quadrupling their cancer risks. Knowing that you're essentially killing this person, you're killing everything

that they are biologically created by God. It's just as evil. And I think that parents who drug their children and or give them as sectomy to a young girl are should be prosecuted the same way a child molester is prosecuted because it is. It is horrific abuse. There's no sugarcoating what is happening to these children. And hysterical emotional women like that woman chanting that are They're no better than savages in the jungle, chanting around a campfire preparing a child sacrifice.

And I stand by what I'm saying. That is what they are. They are child mutilators. That being said, people like me, yes in a wig, in a dress, living life. There's nothing intrinsically evil about dressing up. You know, had powder puff in the eighties and nineties. It's supposed to be funny. So I use my voice and I've exposed Pride festivals for what they are. I recently posted a video I was at Pride just wearing red, white and blue, wasn't announcing that I was there to

expose it. And the young girl came up to me. She was shaking her hands on her fists in front of her in a way that made it makes me believe she was autistic, and she said, you're so pretty. I said, oh, thank you so much, that's so kind. Are you LGBTQ And she said yes, I'm pan sexual. I said how old are you? She said thirteen. I said, honey, I think you should focus on school. I think you should focus on grades. And I love your crown. It was a paper crown given to her by PBS tax

taxpayer funded PBS, and I wish her well. But this year I'm doing the exact same thing. I'm going to the Pride Festival. And you got it how to fight the war from within. You got to win the culture war, because you know what, people want to dress up, people want to have fun. Nobody had a problem with it until they started drag clean story Hour and leftist indoctrination in schools. And it's not even about a man dressing up for comedic purposes. It's about pushing the transagenda, which is one

a power play because they look like the good guys defending children. And two it's about money. This is a billion dollars industry. This child mutilation and physicians are cowards because they're being forced to use pronouns and redefine gender, redefine everything, and they're not standing up. So what I always do is I call out the men and women out there who are remaining silent. Why is Ryan Woods, Lady Maga Usa out there crusading to defend your children. I

don't even have children. I just was one of these kids. If I was born to the woke mob today, they would have said Ryan loves barbies, Ryan's always sneaking, putting on his sister's cheer uniforms, he's a girl. Get him on puberty walkers, and I would have been dead by the time I was twenty one because I wouldn't be able to have an erect no doubt. Listen, listen, Ryan, I'm sorry we're running out of time. This always happens when we talk. But I appreciate your mission. I

appreciate you fighting the fight from withinside and please keep it up. We'll be praying for absolutely all. Right. People could go to Ladymaga usa dot com if they want to learn more and don't stay silent. Listeners. You hear my voice right now, go do something. Thank you, Lady Maga Usa. We wrap up the Nightcap next. In February of sixteen ninety two, in Salem, Massachusetts, over two hundred people were prosecuted for witchcraft after an

immunity deal. H Potter, Testify Dale guilty, and half of Hogwarts was sent to the electric chair. Out American and you'll hear another great American moment when you listen to Bill Cunningham, I Am a great America tomorrow at twelve new on seven hundred WLW. Hey, thanks for being here on one of the rare occurrences we have a nightcap on a Monday night during Red's baseball season.

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