11-27-23 The Night Cap with Gary Jeff Walker

Welcome into the Nightcap once again on this Monday evening. We're slowly approaching the end of November, which is just almost impossible for me to believe at this point, but time does accelerate, and I was thinking, you know, time doesn't speed up, we just slow down. And the older we get, the faster it seems to go, which is probably the case. Scary Jeff tonight our guest in the Spotlight. It's time for his close up.

Mister demil our midday guy, Scott Sloan, part of the American history on the radio segments We've been doing here on the Nightcap for a while, going back to last year, and I thought Sloaney would be great just because you couldn't sign anyone else. Okay, there was that, and then there was also the fact that you are a very I think you're a very complex radio personality in many ways. And I don't mean that from a a derogatory standpoint at all. No, No, it's just I know. That's the thing.

I asked Sloan one time, why I never does impressions of Gary. Jeff Walking said, because you would think it was funny you do the impressions just to irritate the people. Yes, they get to get more out of it that way, more hungry, I would do it more. So, let's go to Scott Sloan's history on the radio, which goes back to Buffalo, New York. Is that where you're from, Well, I grew up there. We actually moved to It would be the Youngstown Warren area when I

was in high school. I was a senior in high school, and yeah, I had no idea what I was gonna do. I had a speech teachers I recalled in. We had like a little mini class in radio, and I thought, that's kind of an interesting thing, kind of back of my head. And then as I sat in high school, I wanted to be a draft I wanted to be an architect like Mike Brady because I had

the curly, hairy yeah. And then I realized at some point to be gay and married to Florence Sans yes exactly, with my long tube cardboard tube in my hand, and realize at one point I went, well, let's see, you can't really add subtract multiplying the other one. So you're gonna be able to do these math classes in college? Are your son? And no one's gonna be good. Buy a bridge for me. That's a couple of feet short, let's put it that way. So at some point I

said, yeah, math is definitely not my thing. What where can I go with with low self esteem, bad people, skills, horrible uh horrible uh self worth and maybe make a little bit of money but not have to do any math and the radio is a perfect career for you. It sounds a lot like really really was now really had low self esteem? Yeah, I think everybody everybody in this business does. Yeah, so everyone in entertainment hates themselves. Yeah, you know what, there's a little bit of that

always. I was a kid that was made fun of and junior high and high school and stuff. I didn't stop a childhood though, you know, and which was always gratifying to go back for like my tenth high school reunion when I was a big celebrity in town and you know, people knew me right and I didn't lord it over them too much. Yeah, you spend a lot of time by yourself, you know, you don't really like yourself grown and no even that this is a no one likes themselves kidding yourself.

So was there anybody when you were a kid that you listened to on the radio and said, you know what, that's cool. That guy hasn't hasn't acted. I'd like to emulate. I remember my mom and dad listening to It would have been w g R and Buffalo Okay fifty five and they that was when you had the big you know, the old real hardcore DJs and stuff like that, and they my dad always was a huge fan of that

station. So I listened to that a little bit influenced there, But it wasn't until I was in college at Bowling Green Bowling Green State University and started getting into radio because I didn't know what I wanted to do. I guess I went to was gonna okay, first of my family go to college. But that was the eighties. You know, you can get it. You have a pulse and a number two pencil. Yeah, you're good, go ahead, get it. It's like a lot more serious now, right,

So but you got to lose. So you show up and I'm like, I don't know what I want to do. Maybe I want to look at though the syllabus going camera operator. That sounds like a pretty pretty good career for me. Stand and run a TV camera how hard could that be? I don't have to do any math, just stand there and I was like, I'm watching any paid to watch a little TV of people on a bigger

TV. It's really it's not that hard. So and I met a buddy of mine there at Bowling Green and he introduced me to he was doing a campus show in the summer. Because I was too dumb to get into like fall, I had to start in the summer to prove that I wasn't as dumb as my my transcript set I was. And so we're doing college right, and I'm like this is pretty cool because they don't see you, and

like I can just be creative and do stuff. And then I kind of fell in love with it, and yeah, next thing I know, I was like I was all in and spend so much time of the college is. Almost got kicked out of school a few times because for grades no kidd yeah, yeah, terrible. I hated what I called thirteenth grade, which was Volunteer State Community College in Gallaton, Tennessee at WVCP eighty eight point three on the dial. And got a job at a local radio station about a

mile away, and that was the end of my college career. I made it two semesters. I know a few people. I knew one girl still in radio and Toledo actually and doing quite well. But she she had I think like one class she did was Toledo your first professional job or yeah? Yeah, So went to Bowling Green did college radio there with people at Lisa Brown at the Reds. She was a classmate a couple other people Scott Stanley

who dees are creative. You mentioned guy genius. We I was actually his He's two years ahead of me, so I was his assistant director of production. Couldn't learn anybody better than We had a great time. We just know we would just goof on, you know, stuff and have fun. We had a blast. So it's kind of ironic we all ended up at this this huge station, right, So yeah, that was that was really cool. Yeah and then you know, went to school and uh so how did

you get how'd you get the pro job? Well, so it was like kind of like Cincinnati Dayton. I don't know if it's still that way because stat and it's at all market, but like, for example, you know, people who would work and go to school in dat ud had come to Cincinnati and you know, work on the weekends, and so Bowling Green is about thirty minutes south at Toledo four minutes south and you drive up there. So I had a roommate who was doing at one of the hit Hemans the

stations there. He got me on the weekends, and then by my junior year, I got hired full time at the number one station to do the overnight show, which is midnight to six and so I don't know how I did it my last two years, but I would do midnight to six am and then leave and drive to Bowling Green forty minutes away and do the college morning show with my part and morning show partner, and then I go to class and then I sleep for fifteen minutes and do it all over again.

And then I worked a part almost a full time, part time job of the weekend. I don't think I slept for two years. But I was having fun. Now make any money, but you're having a good time. And I took less classes and spread it out, did an extra semester because of that, but it was good. It was just that's all I wanted to do all the time. Talking to Scott Sloan on the Nightcap American History on the radio and tell you what this This seems like a good time to

just take a quick break and come back in a moment. When we do, we'll talk about a little bit about the Toledo years. There was a slight bit of controversy. You did your homework. Yeah, all we need is yeah, a balcony right right, which you know it's surprise you hear is the I will I will tell you about one of my first moments of infamy when I got to Cincinnati and it involved Ak Steele and h then general manager Jackie Brumm and her reaction when we come back Scott's Loan with Us tonight

on seven hundred w LW. Okay, back into it, part two of the Scott Sloan Grilling on the Nightcap on seven hundred w L like sixty minutes all we need, that's right, Like I'm more attractive, Lovesli Saul. If you if you start crying, I'm going to bring in Sarah Lease. So anyway, here here we go. I love the snort so Toledo. Yes, I know, I know exactly what the comment was. I think get involved a visit by a certain civil rights leader into town and uh we

we don't have to go into it again. It's been a long time. Ago has been long. I don't think it ever is. I mean, honestly, I think so this was back in the day when Listener told me about that, Yeah, we're supposed to be and it's much different today. Just this over top outrageousness, right because like it's everyone's the shock jockey thing, you know, starting with this peak in a little bit, and it's like and especially the company at that time was really pushing for that, and

I just started. And but also I think, you know, when you're not to make excuses for saying stupid stuff, which to this day is still embarrassing, and it's it's hurtful and horrible. If you're on the radio, law you're going to it. But I don't think you can anymore. I think if you do stuff that get you in trouble, it used to be like, okay, did you learn from this? But yeah, that was

really good radio. And now there's no room for that anymore. And I you know, especially in the Twitter sphere, you know, somebody tweeted stuff out when they're you know, fifteen years old and they're now thirty seven. I don't understand how you go back. I think some of these allegations it's

very sexual assault for example, very serious. But I don't know how you go back to nineteen ninety three and from twenty twenty three and go, you did this back in nineteen ninety three and now I'm going to hold you accountabile. I think that's totally insane that people were canceled for things that happened thirty forty years ago, right right, And it's it's disturbing. I think, you know, it's like, well, did you grow from that experience?

In granted there's still you're being victimized. I want to help you heal, But in a case of what you say on the radio, I think at some point you're like, okay, I clearly you're a different person. At least you should always grow, I think, and be a different person than we're But yeah, in regardless, that was literally I think the low point of probably my career but also my life. I think too, because I like, well, you know, what do you want to do with you?

What do you want to be? And try to figure that out publicly is much different than most people go through. I think when you're not on the public airwaves, So it was nineteen ninety four. I had been here on the air for maybe four or five months at then ninety two point five, which wasn't even the Fox. That it was the point, the point? What's the point? And they never could answer that question, so it became a Fox. So I'm on the air doing afternoons on the point.

And music was that Carage. Yeah, that was rock and roll's greatest hits. Oh okay, I got you. Well. They started by playing two d and fifty songs in a row without commercials, push over the top, absolutely with the exact opposite of the stations that flipped to Christmas in July that just ad met listen our music, saw ms, it blows, We're just gonna go Christmas music. I hadn't been here that long in town. And there had been a third accidental death at ak Steel within about a five six

month span, okay, And I'm just sitting here observing this. And at the same time, doctor Cavorkian had been on trial for assisted suicide, and there'd been a ruling from the Ohio State Supreme Court that assisted suicide was in fact a crime in the state of Ohio. Yeah, and I said, for some reason that still escapes me, other than I just thought it was

clever. I was wrong that maybe, since the Ohio State Supreme Court has spoken about assisted suicide in Ohio, doctor Kavorkian should take his clients to ak Steel and have them fill out job applications similar to my I am. They were getting flooded with all these angry calls, mostly from AK Steel and Jackie Brum who was a general manager. I don't know if you remember her. She was gone by the time you got here. She calls me in to

the we were in mount at him. She calls me into this common area and we're sitting in these like schoolroom chairs in the middle of the room without a table between us and my boss, Tony, my program director, Tony Tolliver's there, and Jackie's there, and she said, Gary, Jeff, exactly tell me what you said. I go, okay. I told her what I said, and she put her head down, shaking it. But I could tell she was hiding her laughter. Oh boy, yeah, And

she just looked up with a big smile on her face. A Gary, Jeff, you can't say that. You need to apologize. And I did, and that was the end of it. Though, and that was the end of it. Mine was kind of dragged out because we didn't have any leadership up there and like the gentleman didn't care. He was on vacation and this all went down and like it just turned in this. You know, you get protesters showing up and like I'll go away, and it never goes

away. You know, you got to deal with that stuff firsthand, and was suspended for a couple you know, joking about the death of a prominent civil rights leader. As a white guy, you couldn't shouldn't do that, you should do they are a black guy. But you know what I'm saying is back it was. It was just a horrible, horrible I think, a good learning experience all around, but definitely changes you. One you wouldn't be able to recover from today. No, no, not at all,

No one. No, there's no there's no remer. Yeah. Yeah, but women, he said, yeah, it just doesn't it's just not he did. But still it's like it's just yeah, you know, there want to be that. I mean there's guys in there. There, there's there's the Alex Jones things. I don't know if you do that, how you live with yourself. I got to be able. You know, I really admitted I don't like you, don't like yourself. But does that make yourself more likable to anyone, especially yourself? Is it? Do you need to

really attack people who have lost their babies? It's just no, it's horrible. No, you should's gotta be there's gotta be some boundaries there if you're if you're a thinking, breathing human being's terrible. That's terrible. But nonetheless, I survived probably the last one, our old Boston buddy, the guy that I loved, and it has nothing. It says nothing about the current management here. It just says everything about this guy. Uh and you knew

him so well and I think respected him as much as I did. Daryl Parks, he brings you down to Cincinnati, right, Yeah, he was the guy who heard that and said, well, when they fire you there, and at this time, I would love to That's why I loved Daryl's because no one in Toledo was talking to me. Oh you were like co workers, bar like I'm gonna get no communication here, and uh, you know you start, oh my god, and Darrel's like, hey, when

you get fired. The funny story about this, Garay, Jef. We have time, Yeah, we have time, Okay, plenty of time. That was not my first attempt at getting hired at seven hundred WW back in decades ago. The first came when then Tony Bender, who's still with us, was working as our assistant. So after all this went down, they brought him up to kind of take control of the things, saying, you,

guys, there's no control up here. There's no So he came up there and we got to be you know, coworkers and friends and said, hey, I got to get you down in Cincinnati maybe do some fillings on fifty five KRC back when it was live and local back then too. Anybody came down and filled in, and then they invited me back to like, well, why do you come down and fill in on LW DUR. And this was a time when I think McConnell was doing like a ten hour show

from what was it like nine am to three? It was ridiculous when he was working, and so he came and did it on our audition for a couple of days. Very forgettable, I'm sure. So I came down and did that whole thing. Well, I get a call at the time, Bill Cunningham was the big boss. He was the director of programming operation, which if mL Willie, you go, that's just a bad idea to show you how stupid radio people are. Manage and the whole operation is just it's

you stupid. We are the bottom. We're the carp of of any industry you look at. Well, at least I'm not in radio because we're stupid. Right, So you go, well, we've got a fifty thousand number one raders, big radio stition. Who are gonna put in charge Bill Cunningham. I wouldn't putting Bill Cunningham in charge of a glass of water in the middle of the Ohio River. Oh you're being you're being uncut. I'm being kind of so anyway, well will he probably agree with you? So Willy

He calls me the audition. My audition goes, I do it. Come on, I got off the aarrow. Come in the office, Come and have a seat in the square circle. Scotslong, come in the office. All right, I don't know this guy, right, I kind of knew Gary Burbank because I took over the show when after syndication Delenn and I actually took over for Gary. Up there and so I'll sit down on here.

Well, what do you see happening in your life? If anything in the next three years career wise, I'm like, well, i'd like, hold on a second, there's seg Man seg Man. Hold on a seg Man's here, seg Man seg Man ken. So he goes runs down the home like that's kinda He comes back and he goes, oh, not where were we? Uh, let's talk about you and and maybe you're a bright future at seven hundred w ol W the nation station. Go ahead, tell me more about yourself. Well, hold on a second, there's food. Food

is here food? Hold on, do you need some food? You need chicken? What am I Ron's roost? What about a bee stick? And he goes takes off again, and I start looking around this office. I'm like, there's got to be a camera in here. I'm good, this is no one. There's no way this huge successful. I'm like, yeah, I'm looking at this before catfish and all the jackass. I'm like, I'm getting punked here. So I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there and find

I'm just I just leave. Drive back to the Lado. A few days later, I get a phone call Scott Sloan, the great American Bill Cunningham here, Yeah, way, we'd like to offer you a job down here in Cincinnati. Yeah, I'm gonna pass. Is that what you told him? Yeah? Oh eh, but it's wl W. I was like, yeah, but I'm thinking to myself, I didn't I think, yeah, it's WW but you're in charge. No good's gonna come to me coming down

there, I get fired again. I don't need that. I got a baby, like yeah, my wife's Michelle at the time, was a TV news director, and she renewed her contract, like I think we're going to stay pot. You could tell he was so totally offended about this whole thing. Then it was later as Dell Parks is like, all right, why do you do some weekend filling? Staid, why do you come to Okay?

Well, why don't we're gonna hire you? And that was the long story short that Willie tried to hire me and I turned I turned away. Well, you initially were doing this shift, the nine to midnight shift, right, yes, and it's kind of weird to be back. Actually, it's far more fat. Ain't no night. You got more room to goof around and do stuff than you do. I've got you got a room, you got time to talk to me. I know it was bad, Geary,

Jeff and I was this bad. So at the time, for two years I did a show from Toledo, my three to six show at WSPD and Toledo, and then did nine to midnight at l W and so I had like three hours off between shows. And that was before you know the technology we have now too, and it was all digital. I mean you couldn't tell, but yeah, you'd have to go in the studio. There's no doing it from home like we did during COVID in that so, yeah, it was two years. There was a lot of work doing two shows,

but try to keep them separate. The impression thing you do these great video caricatures of people. You have you always done that? I always have, Yeah, always had, Like certainly not the best person, but you listen to Jamie Fox or somebody going, my god, that guy's so good, Jimmy Fallon, whoever, No, you've got Yeah, it's it's but it's also Lampoon. I said, you know, I heard people do voices

and like, okay, someone doing you know, Richard Nixon's voiced. It I'm like, yeah, once that person's out of the limelight, it feels like because I used to do really good Andy Furman. And then when Furman got canned, I'm like, I'm not doing that voice. And he is on this show once a week. Now he's on on Tuesday Night. I know I'm here. I should I should have been the voice back. I should talk like this walk my own. So have you had last look at

the writings Honey to be on, Honey to be on? Yes, there are people who don't appreciate ate your talent at this girl in this building. I'm sure they don't. That's why I do the voice mak Andy Freman was the best. I mean, I love working with. And it wasn't it Randy Fermo. It was his level of paranoia that would get him going. Was so funny and you could get stirred up. You could tell him I'm

just playing with you. He would still the paradoid level is huge. I got a funny Furman story about paranoia, okay, and Andy and his insecurity. I was here on a weekend, filling in for somebody or doing something, and I was waiting in a room to do an interview and Andy came in because he was just cooling his heels before he did a fill in on one of the sports. It was thirteen sixty or something. Sure, I said, Andy, what's going on. I'm nervous. I'm very nervous.

I'm nervous. I said, why are you nervous? So I've got to do this national show in a minute, and I don't know if I got all the right And he's doing all that, you know, the the covetching that he does so well. And I said, Andy, you have absolutely no reason to be nervous about being on the radio. You've been on the radio for what a twenty years? Decades? Yeah, decades. What's but before he goes on, that was his modus operande. He had to always

up by being nervous. Yah, just nervous about about everything. And once then the thing is like, we're like shark infested waters here at al w We eat our own when it's slow, and so if you show weakness, we'll explode, We'll we'll we'll just pick up that scab NonStop. I remember Andy one time said something on the radio, help but don't get in trouble with that de listen. I don't know and back in the day the end of the old phones, where he'd pushed the button and the light would light

up. You know, I'm talking about the bottom. So he gets on the air and uh, I the hotline is the magic number of people call a secret secret number here. So I would hit the button like on and off, like it was flashing, like it was ringing, And I picked up one time, and who hold the hotline? I think it was Darrely wants to talk to you when your show's over. Oh my god, I'll get the fight. I'm to get fired. That's it right there. And

then you know, was he gonna call back? I'm like, yeah, he was calling for you somewhere, but he heard he wanted to call. He'll call back, man. So I'm sitting and there waiting for my show and I'm and then he starts talking again after the commercial break, after news comes back, and I start hitting that line again, and all I do and watching him, and I'm watching he's trying to talk, and I'm watching his eyes keep looking at the phone to light up. And the minute he

stopped talking, I'd stopped doing it. Who is it? It was Darrel again? Why keep calling meself? In fact, he was so worked up that I had to tell Andy, I'm just effing with you. But in his mind he didn't even hear that. No, so he actually called him. He's like, I was like, what what are you talking about? I had told him that I was punking him, and he's still he's that

apparently two words, seg Dennison. One quick story from Andy Firman. Yeah, because I had one other thing Randy Firm and his brother right, which turned to this whole thing one point, speaking of things you can't do anymore. It was I think the second or third opening at the new Ballpark after and back then, you know, we do the live shows and Andy be there, and so I dressed up as Randy and I had the Jewish attire.

You know, now you can't get away with that. I had the whole thing with Furman nine on the whole thing, and I came out and kind of took over the broadcast doing Randy Ferman and screaming at Andy and having a fight in this whole thing, and people are rolling over. All of a sudden, I turned around securities there and they were going to escort me out because you're not allowed to wear a mask. Or costume. So at

the time I'm screaming about and Carl Linder owned the team. I'm like about him being an anti Semite, which is funny because he's Jewish, and this is I mean, it's opening day. People are like, I don't know what's going on and and he's like mortified. Everyone's just half the people are confused, the other half are laughing whatever. But that whole thing started with Randy Furrman was I was doing an afternoon show one day on the weekend. It's you know you do and I get the calls like, who is so

and so can't do the pregame show? Can you do it? I'm like, yeah, sure, why not? So I did it as Randy Furman. So I teased that Andy's brother Randy is to having an audition. He's coming in and I think they're playing the Giants or something, and I started talking about belly bombs, and I thought people would kind of get in the bit. Everyone thought it was actually his brother, and so we didn't know what to do with the character at that point, thinking that it was Andy's

brother Randy and people thought he was actually his brother. So that's where that whole thing started. So uh take us out as Seg Dennis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well you know when you when you talk with listen gee, when you talk like this, uh, you know, you know, you're just dying to be made fun of. I got one job that's too U you know, to let me see you. You've gotta you gotta you gotta talk on the radio and be a you be a concise and and uh

are you informed? And it's unbelievable because Willie said and and then thank you. All I can all I can say is Keith Richard cockroachese Dennison. That's about all the changes we've seen, the changes I've seen in almost thirty years here, the people who have come and gone. And to bring it full circle, garayt Jeff my Ears is still here. There's no question about it. He always will be here as a fixer's the station simply because back to

my initial point that radio people are stupid. Wait wait a minute. Your job is to get the score, sports scores right and be able to formulate a sentence. He can do neither, and has a job for life and is beloved, beloved, And I love Seg. I do too, and he hates me because you dank you when you take your will you or something, when you take your Gary Sullivan fiction houses, big mouth, don't be a cloud. So are are you still doing your uh, your handyman stuff.

Yeah, I just we own a bunch of rentals and properties are doing most of that. My son now, he's in the business. He's a real estate ambassador too, so he's got his license. He's work god it is, you know. And just see him coming to his own He loves doing it too, so yeah, that keeps him busy. That's a job you have to love to do. Yeah. Yeah, it's getting older though, it's getting more taxing, and it's passing more off to him when he

gets the My water heater doesn't work. My thermostad's broken at four in the morning on Thanksgiving Day. Yeah, that's him, not me anymore. And they always breaking, of course, not the coldest day of the year. The furnace will break down is the hottest day of the summer. I did I did you turn it on? Wait? What drove over here to flip this? This has been even more fun than I thought. Thanks thanks for having me us. It's really cool being back here at night, and I'm

having flashbacks already, so all right. By the way, I'm not interviewing Mark Amazon. Yeah it was left Rocky talked rock Okay, that's good. That's checked that box too. What's the what's the backup traffic Gye doing? Is he the wasn't he able to come in tonight? I don't think Jason Aaron talked everyone. Yes, well, I guess I gotta do slide. I do have to interview Chuck Ingram sometime. Dearly dudes got great. He was my first producer on Saturday Morning when I started in nineteen ninety seven.

Chuck was the first guy I met at this radio station. And he couldn't be nice. He's the nicest boos Oh he is. Absolutely Him and Jim Scott two of the nicest people ever met. Agree legit. I got an f you from Jim Scott once Good's my crowning and chief. Thanks Scott Sloan Kevin, American history on the radio being made right now on the radio tonight.

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We know what Trucker's time is, money and guest. She is a repeat guest on this program. But it's been quite a while and it was more than due time to have Kathy Barnett back with us the grassroots director advisor to the Vivik Ramaswami twenty twenty four presidential campaign. She's a veteran, a former adjunct professor of corporate finance, a wife, proud mother of two. She's

a homeschool in Mama bear. And you may famously remember Kathy Barnett as the candidate for the US Senate seat in Pennsylvania where she did everything but win, wound uping us to against incredible odds and against all of the money that the Democrats threw at that race in Pa. And just glad to have you back, Kathy Barnett. How are you? I am doing well. Thank you

so much for having me. Yeah, absolutely, holiday's good. Did you enjoy Thanksgiving, absolutely good with family and just the you know, learning to appreciate those who are in front of me. So very great. Kathy's also the author of a book Nothing to Lose, Everything to Gain being Black and conservative in America, which is I think that that's kind of kind of starting to turn around in the black community in this country and minority communities in general.

Kathy, what is your sense do you get to read that the black community in America is ready to finally understand that the Democrat Party has not had their best interest at heart for over a century. Well, it depends, right if you're talking about black men. Yes, I absolutely believe black men are waking up to the reality that they have been sold a bill of goods, that they are at the bottom of every single metric that measures anything positive

and wholesome in our country. And when I ran for US Senate, and specifically when I ran for the very first time for US Congress, you know that was in twenty twenty Black Lives Matter riots said rallies were being held all over the place, and they would not invite me to come and speak at their rallies. I'm black. I'm the first black person to have ran for Congress, but I wasn't the right kind of black person, right because I

don't think the way someone tells me to. But nevertheless, I just started showing up at these Black Lives Matter rallies with my team and our video camera, walk up on stage and just start talking to people. And it was

black men who were the loudest and applause because they get it. And my warning to the black community during that time is to make sure that when all the rioting is done and predominantly white liberals had gotten what they wanted out of that particular time period, that black people themselves weren't left with a broken windows, but to actually have something positive to come out of that. That did

not happen out of the Black Lives Matter rallys riot. But I do believe that black men specifically are waking up to the reality of who the Democrat Party actually is. So there should have been a huge asterisk behind anything that said BLM, because, like you said, only certain black lives matter. If you agree with us ideology ideologically, or if you're a Marxist, or if

you're a member of the trans community, then absolutely your life matters. But if you're a conservative black woman who's a heterosexual, then your life doesn't matter.

Is that basically the message you got from all of that. Yeah, I mean, listen, it had Black Lives Matter had nothing to do with black people, had nothing to do with again the reality that you look at any kind of metric measuring something positive in hosts on black people at the bottom of that list, had nothing to do with something that was real, something

that was tangible. It was all I mean, essentially, the three or four black women we saw, they were just black faces for Black Lives Matter, But it was actually owned and operated we have come to learn over the years by predominantly white liberals, and whether we're talking about the color of my skin or talking about the gender or sexuality, all of these things are actually nothing more than tools in the hands of those who want to use it for

power, for control, and it has been very effective. So, whether you're talking about the color of my skin as a black black as a black person, whether you're talking about my gender as a woman, whether you're talking about someone else's sexuality, whether they're pan or heterosexual, sexual or not not, heterosexual, homosexual, trands, whatever it is, it is nothing more than tools in the hands of those who sit high, look low and want

to be able to use something to garner more power into their corner. As I tell people as I'm out here on the ground with the bay Rama family presidential campaign, is that I mean, this isn't a battle between Democrats or Republicans, or even black versus white, or day versus straight. It is truly a battle between those who sit high and look low and then the rest

of us. And once you begin to understand what's really happening, you begin to see that very clearly, and our desire to make sure people understand they have a better option. Kathy Barnett, did thevate come to you or did you go to him? But they actually we met on Twitter. We met in the DM of my Twitter, of our Twitter spaces, and he actually saw me when I was one of my first national debates against doctor and several others when I ran last year in Pennsylvania. So he liked me first.

I saw that he liked me DM and said we need to talk. He sent over his telephone number and the rest of history. So I have walked alongside him and his family for well over a year now, and I could not be more excited that our country has a better option. I think Donald Trump has done as much as he is going to do. I think the best we can hope for for Donald Trump is that the Baker has said on

day one he will pardon him from all charges. But you know, Levec has been very clear that Trump is the best president he has ever lived under. I mean, I'm the Trumpiest of Trumper's. I believe Donald Trump is the best president I've ever lived under as an adult. And yet I believe

again he has taken the ball as far as he can take it. I think if we are not being emotional, and we are thinking about what is best for our country, giving our loyalty to our God, our family, and our country, and not to an individual person, then it becomes very clear of the time that we're living in and the reality that we have actually lost a lot of our country, and only God knows that we'll ever be

able to get that portion back. But in the meantime, we have this one opportunity, we believe, to actually get someone in office who will represent our value, do the right thing, have the ability to bring alongside a good chunk of the rest of the voters in this country and it starts the

process of taking our country back from these communists again. Talking to grassroots director and advisor to the vivek Ris Ramaswami twenty twenty four presidential campaign Kathy Barnett on the Nightcap, Kathy, how do you convince the forty percent of Republicans that's seemingly across the board in the early primary states and elsewhere that they should vote for vivek instead of Donald Trump and well and give Aveke the nomination ultimately?

How do you convince those people? As you mentioned, it's a very emotional connection that people have to Donald Trump, and you mentioned all of the wonderful things that forty five did in office. And I have been a big supporter. I voted for Donald Trump twice and would more than likely vote for Donald

Trump a third time. How do you convince us who are really emotionally invested in Donald Trump that he's done as much as he possibly can, He's moved the ball forward as much as he will be able to do, and that somebody else needs to finish that job to kind of steal from the Biden campaign. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's one of the things that I it's exactly what I did in my own came running for US Senate last year in the state of Pennsylvania against doctor Oz and several others. His help

is. I mean, the people who came out and voted for me, they are maga. I'm ultra maga, right, And as I explained to people, I mean I was mega long before Donald Trump came on the scene. I did not shift my values to align with Donald Trump. It was Donald Trump who began to move and shift his value to align with us. And as long as he was aligned with us and his policies were and I believe he was going to get those things done, then of course we aligned

with him. But he is not Jesus Christ. So my loyalty is not to him. My loyalty is to my God, to my family, and to my country. And I believe we have this opportunity. These people are not playing with us. They have made it very clear now. What they're doing to number forty five is anathema. I hate. I can't stand it. It is wrong. And if they do it to him, which they are, they will do it to the rest of us as well. So

we should be very mindful about that. And yet at the same time, we need someone well, but they just said he intends to do shut down the Department of Education, shut down the FBI, shut down the IRS, but our military on our border, that is going in order for someone to do that that comes then who wins will have to be able to win by

a very large majority. And unless you're able to get a large number of people to vote for an individual to be presidents, we're not going to get the things done that we actually need to get done to give our country back to the people. How else do you get how do you get Nikki Haley and Ron de Santas out of the way. Do you think the voters will hander that for you, Well, they will have to, right. Listen, We're not begging for What we are doing is putting our best foot forward.

We're presenting to the American people what I believe to be a better option. And ultimately it's going to take the voters to get out of their emotions, put on our thinking caps and walk into that voting group remembering what has happened to us over the past three years. I mean, God help us. I don't know what more these people need to do to us before we figure it out that they are not playing and we have this one shot to

get our country back. And so what we're doing is positioning ourselves to be standing. It starts on January fifteenth in Iowa our goal is and then it moves very quickly to Ohio and the rest of the nation. Our goal is to make sure we are standing there and hopefully people will recognize that we are

their best chance. So that's what we're doing. It's very telling to me that last week, or maybe the week before, Donna Brazil, the same quote unquote journalist that gave Hillary Clinton Clinton debate questions in twenty sixteen over other Democrat opponents, Yeah, went full on racist on viveig Ramaswami, telling him to go back home. What exactly did she mean by that, Kathy? I guess she meant to go back to Ohio because that's where he sat that

in hold, right. But because these people, again, like I said before, this has nothing to do with some betterment of you know, black people or minorities. They use all of these things because they think we're stupid and emotional, so they use it when it benefits them. Can you do you remember when people were just saying the Rocky stain Obama's full name, and the left went bizark, labeling us in Islamic phobc if we just said, and who own name? A name that he gave himself a rock who's saying

Obama? People lost their minds. But now we see that, you know, she wants to pretend she can't say his name. I find it to be very despicable. But I don't agree with Bill Laher on much at all. But I have to give him a kudos for calling it what it is. It sounds a little racist, because can you imagine if a white man says it down a brazil who's a black woman, go back to where you

came from, Kua Kinte. No, you can't imagine someone saying that to her as a white man, because you know you would be fired before the next commercial break. And yet what we saw is that racism is ugly, regardless of the skin color who's doing it. I don't care if you're a white person, being racist is ugly. I don't care if you're a black person being racist. It's ugly. It's equally ugly, and we should have zero tolerance for it and stop allowing these people to use these labels when it's

convenient for them and when they want to shift the narrative. Well, it's also that you're right. It is ugly wherever it occurs. Whoever utters these kinds of slurs, it's ugly, period, end of story. And it breaks apart that thread that says, if you have black or brown skin, you can't be racist. If you're a Democrat, you can't be racist, which, by the way, is one of the most racist parties political parties

ever conceived, whether they're in the world. If you look at how the Democrats have behaved through the entire history of this country, Oh, they are despicable. You're absolutely correct. And I am a black woman grew up in the very deep south of Alabama. I have the blood of slaves forking through my own veins, and I stand here to say that the Democrat Party, they're some of the most racist people. There's no one more racist on this

planet than a white liberal woman. And so that is the reality. If Joe Biden is too old and too corrupt to remain to be our president, which I believe both things are obviously true. And say Donald Trump maybe is a little bit up there, and people want to change. Is vi vaik Ramaswami too young to be president? Well, right now the average age in the Senate is hovering around seventy years old. And I ask the people, what have all that old age you'd gotten us? It'd gotten us where?

I mean literally I went to I took sing that same Thanksgiving dinner every single year from Spratt last year when I went to purchase the ingredient and was roughly three hundred dollars. This year, literally it was six hundred and sixty Yeah, dollars twice as well, more than what has So what has all that old age gotten us? Now we're about to walk into about to sleep walk our way into World War three? So again, get out of your emotions. So just on, I think we need I think this is a moment

where we meet someone brilliant. It's certainly that, yeah, And we need people who are not just fitballing, who's not just shining off nineteen eighty two Ronald Rigging quote. We're in a different century with new century type problems, and so we meet someone who is intelligent, who's brilliant, who doesn't just know how to read off a teleprocess, who hasn't spent their entire career in polistics, really an outsider. I'm sorry, I'm running out of time.

Kathy Barnett. Do you want to do you want to give a website? Real quick? Yeah, I'm just saying, go to Twitter, follow what the base is doing. Vas in victory, I v as in victory EK put that in. You'll find him out there on Twitter or go to Thebeate twenty twenty four dot com. All right, thank you, Kathy Barnett. Hopefully we'll talk again before before this all unravels or comes together. Kathy Barnett, grassroots director of the Vake Ramaswami presidential campaign. On the Nightcap, your

childcare fell through and suddenly you need money for a babysitter. But how what's good? Nightcap? On seven hundred WLW. As we get into this hour, we talked to our it guy from intrust It, a guy that's our go to every time for anything of the Internet, World of Things and tech talk. Dave Hatter joins us for a few minutes this evening. Dave, how are you? How was your holiday? I'm good, Jared, Jeff, it was good for me, you know, family came over to the

house, ate too much. It was good. How about you? Well, I took an entire Turkey and Thanksgiving dinner down to the bar for what appears to be the last time on Thanksgiving Day and fed about twenty five twenty or twenty five people. We had a great time. People very appreciative,

which almost makes all the work worth it. But it's just a logistical nightmare, cooking it at home, bringing it down, setting it up, and then having to You know, it's one thing if you're just going from your kitchen to your front room or your dining room and serving people, but when you load it into cars and take it even a mile from the house and then set it up again and then serve, and then have to take it all down and clean up one area and then go back home. And the

next we took Friday off from the bar. We usually work a shift on Friday too, and we took Friday off just so we could stay at home and do dishes. It was pretty intense, and I can believe that with that many people, that would take a lot of work. So I wanted to talk to you about this thing that I was reminded of the other night.

I think it was a Gutfeld rerun from earlier in the month about Elon Musk seeking and getting FDA appal approval for human trials of implanting a chip in people's in human beings brains that's connected to the Internet, and it's under the guys under the guise of, well, this is going to be so beneficial to people who have neurological issues, paralysis, whatever, or have problems with their brain. This could fix their brain. And I saw all kinds of

horrid possibilities out of this. Did you as well see the story and did you feel the same way I did? Yeah, this is a story I followed off and on for some time. So that the product is called neuralink. Something must have been involved in for some time. And there are other companies out there working on similar kinds of technology, but obviously must gets a lot of attention, and this particular product who has been in and out of

the news over the past three or four years numerous times. And as I'm sure you can guess, Gary Jeff, because you know me pretty well, Yeah, I think this is a terrible idea. Now, I fully understand that up to this point it's primarily been promoted as a medical device to help people with various neurological diseases, blindness, things like that, and I certainly could see, you know, if it does what it's supposed to do, that you know, maybe it would help those folks out. So I get

that aspect of it. And apparently it has been tested in monkeys, you know, uses bluetooth to talk to other computers and so forth. So it's it's some pretty wild technology, you know. I've seen some things where they're looking for people to test this, and I'm not gonna not gonna have anyone drive them into my skull and putting the chip in anytime scene. I can tell you that for sure. But as far tested as I know, what I'm going to say next is going to sound the people just think about this

for a seconds, as anyone. So far as we know, in the last fifty or fifty years, the computers have been a prominent part of society. Come up with a system that is unhackable and the answer is no. And in fact, I would argue the problem of hacking keeps getting worse because all of this technology relies on things that were designed ten twenty fifty years ago

with security was not really a concern. And then secondarily, when you look at things like quantum computing and the fact that computers keep getting more and more powerful, the idea of something that is unhackable and my opinion, just keeps getting further and further away. Imagine, then, for a second, you have a chip in your brain. Certainly it can read your brain, otherwise it wouldn't be able to do anything useful, right, and then can it

right back to your brain? Well, I'm going to say it almost would have to be able to do that again, to do anything useful, because if all it can do, that would be one thing. If you had some kind of neurological disease where you couldn't talk or something, and this would

give you a way to talk to people. But in order to deal with now not a scientist Gara jet or a doctor for that matter, but in order for it to be able to help you with things like paralysis, wouldn't it by design have to be able to talk to your brain slash body in a way that will allow your nerves to work when they didn't before. And if that were the case, then not only could potentially your mind be read at a distance by anyone who had access to this, but you could potentially

be reprogrammed to do something by this chip. So yeah, in my mind, this is totally insane, and there was absolutely no chance I would have something like this well, I mean zero. It's like we've always talked about just internet connected things in your house, from a maybe a room BA to

an electric coffin maker to the ring doorbell that's connected to the net. Now you're going to actually not only put this stuff inside your house where you live, where your family lives, You're going to put it inside your body, inside your brain. No way, know how mister Yeah, couldn't agree more. Gary jeff Ian, Yeah, We've talked a lot about the Internet of

Things. I'm not a fan of any that stuff because it's I'm not saying that will never come a time where the problems, the privacy security problems that we see today could be worked out and these states could be beneficial. But so much of this stuff is rush to market. Security is an afterthought at best. They care about market share and even use. They don't care about

privacy and security. And that's anyone can go easily see for themselves that that's a true statement, because there is just an endless list of these devices being hacked and causing problems for people. And now you're going to take it a step further and put Now, if anyone can figure this out, it's probably Elon Musk in his team. I mean, they've done some pretty incredible stuff

in a variety of different industries and disciplines. But yeah, the idea that I'm going to put a chip in my brain that is theoretically readable and writeable from an external source and potentially without my knowledge or consent, no way, not a chance. And I know this comes like science fiction to people, but folks should look into this because a lot of this technology is moving a

lot more quickly than most people realize. Well and tying into the smart device invited into your home that we've talked about numerous times in the past, Dave, it's cyber Monday, Christmas is coming up. People are snapping up all

kinds of those so called smart devices as gifts for their loved ones. And meanwhile, people's homes in this country, infrastructure increasingly outfitted with Internet connected smart devices, vulnerable to hackers, and public fears about cybersecurity stoked by ransomware attacks on the Colonial Pipeline for example, and the meat producer JBS in twenty twenty one, and the federal government has given us all kinds of warnings of foreign

attacks on the US power grid, and we've seen some small examples of those we've highlighted in the past. Dave, So, the more smart devices, the dumber we become. What do you think, Well, couldn't agree with you more so. Mick kel Hippony is a well known cybersecurity expert. He coined something called Hipponin's law that basically says that it's smart, it's vulnerable. Couldn't agree with any more again, So much of this stuff is rushed to

market. They don't care about your security, they don't care about your privacy. They just want to say that they're cheap, crappy devices, naturally the bottom line. And then add to it the fact that people don't understand how to set these things up in a way that they're secure, They don't understand that they have to apply software updates to come from the vendor. And then, probably most importantly, I don't I care if you talked about this or

not. A recent study found that was smart TV right? The average smart TV vendor only puts out software updates for their TV for two years now. I'm talking about the big guys, right, the Samsungs, the Lgs of the world. So that means if you have a smart TV and it's more than two years old, probably they're no longer making software updates for DEFUS now,

okay. So that means as soon as some news vulnerability is found, and there are hackers constantly looking for these vulnerabilities, and when people say, well, okay, still what they get into my smart TV? Okay? If your smart TV is connected to the same network in your house or your office where you're doing work, could hackers listen to the inwards of a business deal or private you know, intellectual property conversations you're having in your business.

Yes. More importantly, could they use that device to launch attacks against other devices in your network? Other devices the distributed denial of service attacks you may recall Gary Yapp. It's been a while. Hackers took over thousands and thousands and thousands of set top cable boxes, brought down sites like Twitter at one point because they had thousands of these things, all just start directing traffic to

Twitter and other sites that they brought down. Or worst case scenario, I use a website like showdown to find IoT Internet of things so called smart devices that have known vulnerabilities, and I attack those the boxes, a smart TV whatever it is, get in there, and then I use that as a way to get into your work network, or I do who knows what, steal your money, steal your secret, whatever it is I'm trying to do. And I know this probably sounds smart fetch to the average person, but

this is this is all a real thing. Go see what the FBI, the NSA, and others have warned about these devices. And in fact, you know, to the Biden Administration's credit, they'd come up with a program now similar to the Energy Star program to demonstrate that a device is energy friendly.

That you know, if manufacturers they would voluntarily comply with a set up guidelines and standards that would at least give you some insight in to are you basically buying a piece of Chinese malware slash spyware from the Chinese Communist Party, or are you getting a device that is at least reasonably secure and reasonably protesting

freely. Now that hasn't rolled out yet called fiber trust marks, but at least there are people paying attention to this because, to your point, people are buying these things and droves, plugging them in with no idea how to secure them, and no idea what the potential downstream impact can be to themselves, their family, or their organization if and when these things get hacked. And I would argue it's really more of a wins, you know, than

an if they will be hacked, especially if the venders stop updating. Oh yeah, it's bad. Yeah, just saw something this morning on your iPhone seventeen. If you've got I think it was a name drop. I can't remember what it was, but you had to go inside settings in general, and otherwise if you didn't turn it off because there was default. It comes with the phone on. Name drop is on. And what name drop does is if somebody has another iPhone and you hold your phone close to their iPhone,

they can get all of your information with name drop on. Is that right? Is that how it works? That's essentially true, Gary, Jeff. I actually tested this with my wife's so we both have Apple phones. We both upgraded to the latest version of iOS, which I should crongly encourage people to do regardless of this feature, but Apples have this air drop capability for a while, designing to basically allow you to share content with another iPhone

that's in close proximity. Three or four years ago, it caused a big stir because by default it was turned on and it was kind of in this open state where anyone could get close to you, see your phone, and

just put stuff on your phone, like porn or something. Right, So this new name drop feature sort of gets into the air drop capability, and you know, it's a cool feature if you understand it does and have a use for it, which is, let's say you go to a trade show and you're meeting a lot of people when you want to get their contact information, Well, you have an Apple phone. I have an Apple phone.

You have name drop turned on. I have name drop turned on. Once the phones get close that testing it with my wife's phone, a message popped up on both of our phones and basically you know, she had the option to accept it, as did I. You also think configure the information that could change now. Of course, the Mary thirty years she's already got much conspect information and vice person so there was no need to share. There may be a very close proximity how close and I mean I had the phone probably

within a couple of centimeters in each other. You're talking about real close. You're talking about contact almost yeah, almost contact, yeah, and the other thing. But but you're you're exactly right. It would be better if Apple. You know, I'm not that concerned about this feature, frankly, because someone does have to be close, and you have to then now I can understand where someone would look at it and go, I don't understand what this is after me and they just say, okay, you know, And I

think it's a terrible idea for kids to have this turned on. And I'm hopeful, you know, Apple's gotten a lot of backlash over the past you did. I'm hoping they'll just change it so that it's disabled by default and you have to consciously turn it on. That would make a lot more sense. Hey, I know what name dropped is is that I'm going to consciously turn on because I want to use it, as opposed to it's just on,

which then could potentially be exploited. Yeah, I mean, and you're right, nobody has more dirt on us personally than our wives, Dave, that's for sure. That's a security risk every time. If you've got to make sure you trust the missus with all of your personal data. Well,

it's always a pleasure to talk to you. And I'm sure as we get closer and closer to Christmas, as the shopping before dropping continue and there are all kinds of really cool stuff, bright shiny objects out there that people are going to be saying, Hey, man, I want to get this. I'm want to be the first to get this for my loved one. They're

gonna love it. And meanwhile, they're opening the floodgates of security issues right and left because they don't understand how these smart devices make us all dumber. With that, I will wish you well. Hopefully we'll talk next week, if not soon. Dave Hadter from intrust It. I appreciate it, man, my pleasure, Garrett, Jeff, thanks you, sir. All right, thank you. It's the nightcap and it continues in mere moments. We'll have Jeff vermont or vermont On. He's the co founder of Tusk, a

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biggest matchups. A great American Bob parton seven hundred WLW. Garry Jeff Walk. My pleasure once again to have the co founder or the founder and CEO of TUSK, which is a free speech platform. Are there any of those left yet? Yes, there are. Jeff Bermant, who has been just instrumental in bringing this to light. He always says that the great Mark Levin the great one. Mark Levin challenged him to do something, and so Tusk was born, and to talk about that and to talk about some more free

speech issues once again. Jeff bermant, how you doing, Jeff, I'm fine, Gary, great to be on your show again. Thank you. Have a good holiday, and the like I did, it was very fun. I had some family over, we had some turkey, watch a lot of football, yep, and all those college games. I think I was glued to the set from seven o'clock in the morning until ten o'clock at night. No. Yeah, there's nothing better than this time of year for college

football and important, impactful college football games. We still got a few ahead in the weekend to come. Jeff. You were a graduate of the University of Southern California, which saw a pretty ugly incident occur last week. There were anti Semitic protesters on campus, which we've seen all over the country, and a professor was standing up to them and saying that Hamas as a terrorist organization needs to be eliminated, and by eliminated, he means they should all

die, they should all be killed. I happen to agree with him. He got in trouble with the university for saying that because these pro Palestinian or whatever they call themselves protesters made it look like he was saying that all Palestinians should be killed, which is not what he said. But so you know that the long arm of the dee eye law came down on this professor. Uh, tell me about the story, and and tell me about your disbelief. It's his story, Jeff, Yeah, as a graduate from USC.

And of course it's happening all over the country, Columbia, Yale, Harvard, I mean, and Harvard being one of the worst supporting Hamas and UH. And and what's so weird about this is the diversity thing. You're not allowed to you know, you have to you have to talk properly on campus. But then AMAS can come out and their there UH supporters can come out

and say all types of terrible things about about Jews and the destruction. I mean, when you talk about from the river to the sea, you're talking about the total destruction of Israel. And and yet they can do that. But if a professor stands up and says, listen, AMAS needs to go and they're the ones that need to be eliminated from the earth, well then then the university the uh uh takes him on puts them on leave. It's

incredible, it's uh. And it strikes in the in the face of freedom of speech, that that you're at risk at everything you do, because yes, you have the freedom of speech, but at you at your own peril. And that's what's kind of crazy about the whole thing. Well, when I when I think of from the river to the sea, I think about the elimination of all Islamic Jihadis from the West Bank to Gaza. That's what I mean. Uh. And and that's what he was talking about as well.

And you know what these people are. I don't even I don't know if you can even call them people, uh not not certainly feeling or thinking human beings. These Amas, terrorists and has Belah. And I'll just the the Uti Rebels and Yemen, you know, every Islami jihad love them all together. They're all the same thing as Isis. And people have no problem

with killing Isis when they were rampaging across the Middle East in Syria. But all of a sudden, because it's Israel and it's the Palestinian people, which isn't actually a real culture or people it's you know, it's weird. It's head scratching that we have all these pro Hamas campus protests going on around the

country. It's amazing to me. Well, you have to remember part of this, which is, you know, the the groups that want to attack us, they've been very smart and they've been donating money to these universities. And so this pro Palestinian thing, a lot of it comes from the kids that are there. They're not even from our country, but the ones that are from a country who are being duped into this whole storyline about it. This is Israeli's aggression. I mean, Israeli did nothing to to create this

situation. All they want to do. Listen, all I've been to Israel. All Israel wants to do is they want to live in peace. They're a democracy, they want to live in peace. I think some of the Arab countries are about to turn that way. And this was a way of course, to destroy, or to attempt to destroy maybe a peaceful settlement in

the Israeli area. But you have to feel sorry for the Israelis. I mean, I'm very ecstatic that they have such a an army, but I mean, here a small, tiny, country like this has to fight to preserve itself real quickly. Yeah, yeah, Jeff, I agree, real I wanted to get this in in just a couple of minutes. We've got left to see if you knew about this, this new news Guard, the

government backed censorship tool build as an arbitter of truth. Since you're the founder of CEO of Tusk, which is a free speech web browser, and you know, a real new this kind of thing with government contracts and corporate backers, NewsGuard seeks to monetize the work of reshaping the Internet. Have you have you heard about NewsGuard? I have not, but I will be looking that up as soon as we get on get off the phone here, NewsGuard.

I don't know anything about him or anything about the plan. I'm suspect of particularly disgovernment deciding to muffle free speech. And you know where we're going into school, so we've had enough of this. I'm going to start teaching kids about what is what is it like to be freedom of speech? How do you have freedom of speech? This came to light in the Twitter files revelations

about media censorship. Former publisher The Wall Street Journal L. Gordon Krovitz touted his project products NewsGuard as a vaccine against misinformation that sends up, that sends up all the red flags you should need to see. Yeah, yes, as soon as they say misinformation, that's it's usually them that's providing the misinformation and blaming it on conservatives. I invite everyone to check out TUSK where they can, and to keep Jeff Bermant in mind because I think you're doing wonderful

things trying to make sure that free speech remains free on the internet. Jeff, thanks for all your efforts. Have no problem carry I'm happy to be on the show. Thank you, all right, Jeff Fermant with us on this nightcap. Coming up next, Michael Letts. After the commercial break, open up our live stream on the iHeartRadio app and take a look at the screen. You see that little red circle with a microphone on it. That's

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demand behind invest USA. It's an organization that works at providing vests for law enforcement for first responders around the country, also works on educating the public.

He's a law enforcement veteran, and tonight Michael and I are talking about the we were just kind of talking about with Jeff Berman a few minutes ago, the pro terrorists protests that are going on around our country in the United States, the anti Semitic support of murderers like Hamas and Hezbollah on college campuses and elsewhere and in our cities, and how that is a threat, a further threat to law enforcement, which has seen so many threats come their way.

It's not like if you're in law enforcement, there aren't inherent threats from the day you were putting your life on the line. Every time you go out on the streets. The object is to come home safe to your family at the end of every shift. Well, that's become increasingly more difficult because of politicized dismantling and destruction of police around the country, About the dissuasion of people becoming police and law enforcement officers because of this added pressure and Michael good evening

how are you. I'm doing great. Thank you so much for Evy on

your show. It's always a privilege, all right, And so I wanted to ask you, is it more dangerous for police officers and law enforcement in this country now than it was in the Summer of hate twenty twenty with the George Floyd riots and BLM and Antifa and the fires and taking over police stations in a presidential year, And is it going to get even more dangerous in your opinion as we approach this next presidential election just a few months away.

Is it more dangerous now or was it more dangerous than twenty twenty? Mike, No, it's definitely more dangerous now, and it's escalated. You know, there are so many factors out there right now. Of course, you understand with the situation on the border with Gods of being a precursor for terrorist threats in this country. We know for a fact intelligence from the Middle East is showing us that has a bulla and Amas have already entered into the United

States view of the southern border. In fact, we just caught four last week that were bringing in explosives. So we know it's not a matter of here. It's a matter of when we think it's evident. Did you add on fact that they are generating all these protests across the country in our universities.

I think it's interesting your listeners should be aware of that. We we just discovered that thirteen billion that's with a B, thirteen billion dollars has been given to over two hundred universities across the country by Middle Eastern companies Iran, Syria and others. Unreported. The unreported to the IRS basically than ricks and what they have done they drive these universities, allowed them to send their dissident students free of charge here on visus to the Basons and they have up organize

what you're beating to see down across the country. The fortune there's a lot of American young people who have no knowledge show we say, no common sense, to go along with all riot just because that's what everybody else is doing. So it has made law enforcement exceptionally more vulnerable, more dangerous, and more stretched. You know, it's bad enough. We've lost so many thousands of officers across the country due to the defund the police mouvement, due to

the code vaccinations and others. Little we have less we can strust even further. You are right, presidential legend is gearing up, and that will make it even more dangerous. So we've got a lot of danger and a whole lot of few a lot less officers to deal with it. Yeah, I mean New York is down what three thousand officers from what is considered to be like the right number. Is that what I heard? That is correct? Yeah, that's just one area. I mean, you know, La is

the same, Ports, the same, Seattle, Atlanta, Detroit. No, I mean Cincinnati is down what is considered a safe complement of police officers. I mean we're experiencing that here. Maybe not on the same level, the same percentages, but it's still a big chunk of less people on the street to keep the average person safe. Yeah. And this tragic part about it is, of course, initially it was thought that they would just ad been liberal areas, the blue cities, shall we say, that will lose

to so many of their office was because of their policies. But now it's not just in the liberal areas. But there's such a negative trend towards law enforcement period because of the FED. The FEDS are getting involved and making cases against cops. They have no business being done, and they're just saying, what's the value of doing it? Why putting my life on the line for people that don't appreciate it and jeopardizing my family's future. Not going to do

it. I'll find something else to do. And we as America are suffering because of it, oh, absolutely every single day. And if you add in and compile that, compound that with these liberal das and attorney district attorneys in these big cities that George Soros funded their elections with millions and millions of overseas dollars. You add that the revolve door of justice or not prosecuting crimes

that otherwise would have carried jail sentences. It makes the job even more interminably nearly impossible for law enforcement because they can do all the good they can do, all the good work that they know how to do and catching and arresting the criminals, but when the criminals are right back out on the streets the next day or the next week, you have to at certain points, you have to be a pretty strong person not to throw up your hands and go,

well, what's the use? Well, especially when you have well this is you know, you hate to say it, but this is just we speak the truth. Yeah, your federal agencies f B, I do you, Jay and others that have been politicized and weaponized, and they're now going after conservatives, going after those who don't share liberal ideology, including officers. They're making cases. I was you're so distrusting Derrick the officer that was the ball with George Floyd. Yeah, Derek to jail and then stab And here's

the bottom line, the Department of Justice do this. The medical wreckers from the corners dolls were changed to reflect that he died from drug overdose to assyxiation YEP. An independent evaluation. Medical evaluation continues to show that it was not affixiation. George Floyd was totally innocent. George Floyd was a dead man walking before Derek chauven Ever laid a knee on his neck. Michael Letz with that, we've got to go tonight, but hopefully we can talk again from invest

USA. Michael Letts on the Nightcap, We'll break and come back with a special guest in moments on seven hundred, WLW needs to bring you on the Nightcap. I have not, but I wanted to do this I've been wanting to do this for a long time. Actually on the program was bring back my dear friend lol Ponte. One of the discussions we have this dates back to April of twenty twenty two, and we're talking about protecting children in classrooms, protecting children in the womb, and all the right and I just I

love to hear the voice of the smartest man I have ever known. So once again revisiting a discussion with the Great Lowell Ponte on the Nightcap, we are back for another segment with Loll Ponte on a Monday evening here on seven utter WLW. It is the Nightcap Gary the Jeff as Lowell has dubbed me. With Lowell on the phone, we were talking about the new legislation in Maryland that is allowing all kinds of different people to perform abortions now legally.

And I wanted to get back Lowell real quickly to the point of discussion when we were talking about the new Florida law which prohibits the teaching of sexual sexual perversion and I'll just call it what I want to sexual perversion in kindergarten, first, second and third grade class room. Well, no, but if you were objective, I would just add as a quick footnote, Yeah, the law protects children kindergarten through third grade from being taught any sexuality right exactly,

hoterosexual, homosexual, whatever. Sir doesn't single out what type of sexuality cannot be taught. It just said a kindergarten teacher is not even qualified to teach sex. There are kindergarten teachers right now, God love them, who aren't qualified to teach one through ten. But anyway, I just wanted to make a point about alternative lifestyles and about sex in general. Sex is a choice in any form, and it should be a choice of adult people. And you know, once you were a man or a woman, and yes,

there are only two options once you're a man or a woman. If you choose to have sex with another man and you're a man, that is a choice. We've been told for years that I was like this when I was when I was a baby. I've been like this ever since I can remember, And so I didn't have a choice. You always have a choice whether to have sex or not. You always have a choice whether you have homosexual sex or not. You have a choice. No, no, no, I do want to qualify, okay, but I know you love to

be accurate. You will still have restraints on Gary Jeff kind of sexuality from your years in the South, and that is, anything you do to an animal would constitute cruelty to the animal. Yes, and that is restricted by law, even though your sexual preferences may not be. And that is also a choice to break the law. You know how many? How many countries in the world list homoie actuality as a crime, and it's punished very severely

in some of those countries. Many of those are supported by Disney and Hollywood. I don't know how many, quite a few, yes, at least sixty. But back to my original point, Louell, sex is a choice if you're the one who is initiating. Obviously, I'm not talking about rape or incest victims who who don't who find themselves in a position where they're not choosing to have sex, but the actual act of am I going to have sex with a man? Am I going to have sex with a woman?

Am I going to pretend I'm a woman even though I'm an All of this is a choice. Do you agree? Though they are all choices? Yes? Yes, And whether whether it's heterosexual sex or homosexual sex. It is a choice. It's not like someone's putting a gun to your head and saying you have to have sex this way or have to have sex this way. The laws that were written in Florida and are coming down the legislative pike in these other states to fend off this nonsense, this craziness, this perversion,

and this indoctrination of young children. The states that are writing these laws are not trying to outlaw homosexuality or transgender They're just trying to be common sense about this and say, you know, this is really a parent's job, and we should we should keep our noses out of out of their bedrooms and out of influencing them one way or the other. And I was reminded just a few days ago, if you are very young, and you OneD doesn't even

need to go to kindergarten to third grade. If you're twelve, Let's say you cannot walk into a tattoo parlor and get a tattoo. In most states, the low says you cannot modify your body that way. But Joe Biden and the Democratic Party are now pushing for a law that would let a child, and I mean young children consent to have a sex change operation, or

to take or maturity limiting hormones or other things. Now, children are generally not allowed to give their permission for all sorts of things, but somehow they're allowed to give their permission for this. And it's got to the point where as Laura Wellington wrote just days ago at American Thinker, she took her to her twelve year old to a pediatrician's office, and the nurse at the pediatrician's office gave documents to her son and said, you fill these out. They

didn't give them to the mother. They didn't ask the mother's permission or approval to do that. They wanted the son to fill out and sign the forms. How does a twelve year old have either the knowledge, the worldliness, or the training to know how to handle such a thing, I dare say not. Or maybe at twelve, maybe, even with the failure of our public schools in this country, maybe at twelve the reading level to actually read what the forum says and fully understand it well, if they go to public

schools especially, that's probably very limited. But what we are seeing increasingly is that children are encouraged to think of themselves as sexually different from the way they were born. Now, now there really is theoretically such a thing as sexual dimorphism or sexual you know, you were born in the form of one body, but you really feel like you belong in another body. That does happen.

But even in the cases of those who have been carefully and honestly diagnosed with that condition, not just by drug companies who want to make money or doctors who want to make money because of it, they are in a very well eighty percent of them in general decide to shed the dimorphism after a few years or months, and they just return to perfect contentment with the body in which they were born. They no longer want to be turned into the opposite

sex, or another sex, or what have you. And lo and behold. Nevertheless, we have Biden and the Democrats pushing hard to say that your child age eight, nine, ten in public schools should have the right to make a secret agreement with the teachers and the doctors to undergo a sex change, or to undergo a gay club, which is now becoming very populular at schools in many parts of the country. Leftist part of the country club. Oh yes, because it's it's somehow chic and interesting to be in the gay

club. But the parent will not necessarily be told that their child is in this club, or that their child is now taking hormones to alter their maturation, or that their child is going to undergo surgery in two weeks, so the parents are completely out of the loop on this. The parents are in the odd position of being in the loop when it comes to pain for things

and when it comes to taking legal responsibility for the child. But schools now consider it almost normal, indeed der rigueur if you have enough gay teachers and administrators to basically force or nudge strongly your child to agree to these things and have no legal obligation to inform the parent to get the parents approval in any way. In fact, they encourage them. Children don't tell your parents. This is one of the major issues when students began being taught by zoom calls

home at the early height of the epidemic. Remember with the pandemic of aid of COVID, and schools were actually trying to issue orders home parents, you are prohibited from watching what your child. I remember, I remember that very very vividly. Yes, I mean isn't it time that we did away with government schools, absolute government propaganda and ideology to your children, the Department of

Education. All schools were privatized and left alone by the government. The Department of Education should have never been and it should be eliminated at the federal level,

absolutely, versus a Jimmy Carter created department in the government. I graduated high school in nineteen seventy nine, the first year of the federal Department of Education, and I always feel even though I was a subpar student, I got a much better education than the students that followed me afterwards of a whole different set of agenda items in government schools, not least of which is total servility to teachers' unions, which are major political instruments that give millions and millions

and millions of dollars to politicians in California. In fact, I used to work in the legislature in Sacramento. There was a ritual where the head of the state teachers union would occasionally appear in Sacramento and the politicians were expected literally to kneel before them. What are you serious, Yes, I'm very serious. Yes, that is if they were Democrats. But I mean, anytime you vote for a Democrat, this is the kind of future you are risking

for your children and grandchildren. In fact, you're virtually guaranteeing if you keep voting Democrat. What is the thing on the left with everybody kneeling for things that aret holy or righteous? I mean they kneel before the national anthem to you know, to protest. Police don't give you a pray. They don't give you a bar of soap first, no doubt. Oh, by the

way, Joe Biden is something we should talk of over. Joe Biden is now setting things up so he will attempt to cancel student loan debt in the country. There is one point seventy five trillion dollars of student loan debt in the country. People poor, humble people like Alexandria A Cassio Cortez still oh student loan debt, even though she's now wealthy, and so many of them are just waiting to have it erased from the books. Biden will have to

attempt to do it by executive order. I don't think they can get it through Congress. But the mere fact that he and Bernie Sanders would contemplate that is astonishing. And of course, the people who use their student loan debt to get a college degree, some of them come out with a starting salary of two hundred thousand dollars a year. Now, some of them, they're expecting their student loan depth, the one point seventy five trillion dollars which added

to our inflation, among other things. They're expecting the working poor and lower middle class workers who have none of those special privileges and advantages, to pay off the debt of the rich. This is how the Democratic Party operates. Oh, and it's unabated. You're right up to this point. Congress is the only stop gap. Executive order will be the only way, and that of course will be challenged like many other of Biden's executive orders since he's been

in office. We got about four minutes low. You got a four minute topic, a four minute top four minute topic. Oh wow, well we've already used up about thirty seconds just talking about it. So it was it was very very it was very very revealing. Last week when we saw Barack Obama visit the White House as a special guest and to see the president, the actual President of the United States, Joe Biden shunned by everyone in attendance, including, of course, his his former boss, former President Obama.

He was holding court there and Joe Biden was just wandering around aimlessly, staring at walls. Oh. At one point, Biden actually put his hand on Obama's shoulder, and Obama would not even turn and look at him. No, he totally blew him, and Nancy Pelosi walked by him as if he were a servant who was in charge of divvying out the drinks. Bring another tray of ordervs. Joe, I know what I know one thing in California. Yes, and I could go and do I could spend hours talking about

the horrors of He got three minutes, so go ahead, Okay. Well one of them is the city of Palm Springs has now preliminarily voted that if you are gay or transsexual, you are to be given nine hundred dollars a month as universal basic income, just for being a gay or transsexual. By the way, the mayor of Palm Springs is transsexual. But this is a fairly significant city. It's where Frank Sinatra used to have a home and so

on. Yes, and well, it's also the district where Sonny Bono was elected as a as a representative in the House of Mayor and was in the US House of Representatives representing that district, and he was notably very conservative. How things have changed, how things have changed. And of course back then, not to say the area was bad, but they had a law about

endangered species. And so one day they were building a new housing development complex in Palm Springs when in the middle of the night, the authorities apprehended someone who was sneaking around in the complex and they discovered what that person was doing.

He was taking endangered tortoises and setting them down in the complex so they could be found the next day, which would of course raise a human cry that the complex building had to be stopped and torn down because this was somehow important breeding ground for these endangered tortoises when they were actually being transported from somewhere else. Oh, that's been done many times in California with one SPECIs or

another. There was one case in northern California where they wanted to stop the forest from being cut down for its wood, a small forest, and they went in. One environmentalist went in and was actually snagging endangered fur from a creature on some of the branches of the trees there, which would have been used had the hebat not been caught to justify stopping all the tree cutting there. I mean, this is a standard left wing practice in California. There's

a lot of them. Listen, Low, our time sadly has gone for the evening, But I really appreciate your cooperation and your brilliance and bringing these topics to light and bringing them to greater focus than I could do on my own. Certainly, Well, thank you. You're much too modest, and you are our exemplar for proper sexual behavior. Let's not go into it. Let's not go into it at all. But by by God, it's my choice, Low, and it should be yours and everyone else's. And you

know those things with books, you wouldn't believe. You do not. You do not. You do not have a choice at five, six or seven, because you don't know, you don't know anything about it, and nor should you. It should be the parents can be programmed and brainwall you can. In fact, it's being done right now, and that's why the Florida law was so important, instrumental. It's stopped it. There's the least business isn't really happening. Well, then why did they object to the law?

Exactly? Lowell, thank you God, Bless, take cad bless. All right, we will close out the nightcap in just minutes. On seven under WLWS Joe nineteenth, eighteen forty six, the first match game of baseball was played on the Elezian Fields between the Knickerbockers and New York's. The game was different then. There were no balls or strikes. Everyone played bare handed,

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