11-21-23 Gary Jeff Walker

Gary Jeff Walker with you Thanksgiving week and I am thankful for so many things, including tonight's show. I hope you will be thankful when you hear it as well. Between now and midnight, all kinds of good stuff coming your way, including Chris to two point zeros picks for week eleven. How did they work out? Not too good? But first Randy McNutt with a Nightcap edition of Rock and Roll Archaeology. Randy is a writer and has traveled all

over the country to the towns where the music was made. Some good stories coming up in just a few minutes here in the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW. It's the Nightcap seven WLW, and I just threw that in because it's a fun song. We're talking with Randy McNutt. It's a special night Camp edition of Rock and Roll Archaeology, which you may hear with the music professor and myself on Saturday mornings. But tonight we're interviewing the author who has traveled

to all the places where the music was made. Many books written, including Guitar Towns, and kind of focusing our search on that particular tome, which I believe is out of print. You usually get authors on the show, and you know they're trying to sell books. Randy just said, no, I'll help you out. He's a good guy. Randy McNutt, How are you pretty good? Gary? How you doing? Buck? Faed's great to have you here. How many years did you write for The Inquirer? Oh?

Boy, twenty five plus? It all bades sure, but you know you're you're you're the second former Inquirer writer I have on tonight's show because Peter Bronson is also going to be here before we're done. Oh yeah, Peter, great guy, yep, also a fantastic author in his own right. So we picked four songs in our time together tonight to kind of focus on

in the stories behind them. When you did Guitar Towns, you traveled to all the places that you could think of or that you knew where the music emanated from originally, and talked to the people who put those things together. How did that book actually come to be in the first place? Randy well a little background in the early seventies of his factory clerk at the most or Safe Company, and I met a guy named Wayne Perry here in Hamilton,

and we were both just determined to make a record. So we did Jewel Recording in Mount Healthy and from there it just sort of took off, and we were making records on a low budget and traveling around. And I got the idea that I wanted to talk to the pioneers of the forty five era, which I called about nineteen fifty five to seventy five, sort of the

golden age of the forty five. And I wanted to get out and I wanted to meet these guys, and I wanted to sit down and find out how they made records, how they treated the record business and so forth, because I was making records and I wanted to do know all I could. Sure, So I hit the road with Wayne and we went around when the Nashville went all over the place, I had a little different idea what I wanted to do. I didn't care about radio anymore. It was just such

a hassle to get records on the radio. I wanted to make records with guys nobody knew, and I just thought they were cool, you know, old rockabilly guys that were there at the dawn of rock and country guys and things like that. And so I went to these all these places and I did pick up a lot of a lot of knowledge from the pioneers, and I was lucky that I caught them before they got too old and retired and

passed away. Tell me about how I want to I want to get into play a little bit of these songs that we're going to talk about specifically. So give me about a minute summation on this first tune we're talking about, Okay, Seacrews. I went down to New Orleans and I met a guy named Cosmo Matassa who was recording engineer, and he recorded just about every hit that came out of that place, including Fats domin No's and he recorded Ernie K. Doe, mother in law and all those and uh Cosmo uh found

us. Uh, he found for Frankie Ford, and he took him into the studio when he cut Seacrews. What I like about that song was I think written by Hugheye Huey Smith, Huey piano Smith, and uh, I loved that horn at the beginning. I love the loved the sound effects on some of those old records, and I UH a lot of those records from there were the rhythm band was Huey Piano Smith's group, and there was a

party sound that came out there. All these towns had sort of a unique sound of their own, and New Orleans was a party, party sound. Let's let's joined the party here for a minute, and maybe we could recap on the other side. Frankie Ford with Huey Piano Smith's band and that great sound effect horn and sea cruise old man rhythm in my ee know, use the good Man thing in the blue the Famous You've got nothing to do wrote every thing. You on a sea cruin with baby, baby baby, won't

risen take you all cruise by jumping baby. Won't you join me? Please? I don't now all man and me. I got to get the wreck and get my hat on the wreck. I got to big second night, just the bet so be m Yet you've got nothing to lose Walton figure all the crew boy Famous talking with Randy McNutt on the Nightcap, a special edition of Rock and Roll Archaeology. That of course Frankie Ford and Sea Crews. So you're down in New Orleans and you walk into a bar and there's Frankie

Ford. Is that what you're telling me, Randy? Yeah, he was sitting at the piano and playing just just Frankie and uh. I walked over to him and said, Hey, Frankie, had you know I loved your record? I'd love to talk to you. So we just sat down and he was a great guy. Based on that one record, he had a career the rest of his life, and I guess you could call him a one hit wonder, but he was a wonder. I mean, that one record was so memorable that I think Johnny Rivers cut the song and other people,

but nobody did it like Frankie. I saw. I saw a black and white recording of him on Dick Clark's American Bandstand and he hops up into this ss surreal kind of lifesaver set that they had built, and he's singing and he's swinging and he he just looks like a really hap cat. You know. They found a decent looking guy with a great song and a great band behind him, and that was Seacrews. I want to talk We're Randy McNutt here on the Nightcap on seven under WLW. I want to talk to

you about our next record that we're going to focus tonight. From your travels and what you know about Roy Head Roy had was from the Houston area, a little town outside of there, and he was a blue eyed soul singer and he was with the band and they went into a local studio there and cut Treater right. Uh. That one record just exploded and was an R

and B head as well as rock. And Roy was a white guy and was getting a lot of play on R and B stations with black DJs, and when some of them found out he was white, they were reluctant to play it, but it got so big that everybody had to play it. And Roy was an absolute character, a wild man. And I met him down in Houston. He went on his own. He said, Oh, all these guys in the band, they're crazy. They want to be doctors

and lloy and teachers. All I want to do is sing. So he made a career out of that one record, basically, and he sang up until he died a few years ago. But he was a wild man. He was kind of nutso oh yeah, yeah he Uh. I went into an eye hoop with him and it was it was on Mother's Day. There was a long line of women and guys and women are all decked out. They went to church. Roy just drolls up the front of the line and he said, here I am, and the waitress knew him and seated this

and he sat there and talked about all these things. And I remember he had pancakes and he put the Tabasco sauce on it and yeah, and uh. He told me about treat Riot and his travels, and he talked about the time he bit Elvis on the on the leg. Yeah he said that. He tell me this, Yeah, yeah, he said, I'll just read what he told me. Feeling good, I walked in. I walked one of up to Elvis's bodyguards, rich Davis, and he said, hey, you want to meet Elvis? I said, why not? So he

took me over to the Memphian Theater about three in the morning. I still didn't believe him, though, so Richie bet me a steak dinner that he could get me in. On the way, he said, do you really want to meet the man? I said, if you can get me in and see Elvis, man, I'll fall down and I'll kiss his ass right on the spot. Well we went in there, and I tell you it wasn't Elvis. It was a bronze madonna, a guy with so much magnetism. I could feel it. Richie said, see, I told you.

Yeah, Well, I don't know what overcame me. I guess it was the milk cow blues. For some reason, I ran up to Elvis, fell down and bit him on the ankle. All of a sudden, the bunch of his bodyguards jumped on me. Fist flew. The next thing I knew, it was laying outside in pain. They like to broke my shoulders. I ached all over, ended up in the hospital for two days. Probably he was, you know, on something. But yeah, Roy was a character, but so nice. Most of these people were just so friendly

and accommodating to me. I'll tell you what. Let's listen to a little bit of Roy Head and the traits and treat her right with Randy McNutt on the Nightcap Rock and Roll Archaeology and here you go. All right, I wanna tell you a story every man, all and all. If you want to little love any man, you gotta start with her soul. She's gonna love you tonight. Now if you just treat her right now, all squeeze

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Pella now and pay later, Stop second guessing yours. We continue this special edition of Rock and Roll Archaeology on the Nightcap Thanksgiving Week and Garry Jeff Walker, which you and our guest Randy McNutt, who is an author and a writer and a musician and has done all this legwork so we don't have to traveling across this great land of ours to where the great iconic pop and

soul records were made around the country. The book Guitar Towns, and we're kind of taking a real quick a cliffs notes tour through Guitar Towns tonight on the show, Randy, you were talking about roy Head, who we heard in the last half hour, the last segment getting into Blue Eyed Soul. There is an argument to be made that this next out of Memphis, Tennessee was I don't know, blue Eyed Soul, but a very very young cast

of characters who are making this sound. In fact, the lead singer is only sixteen years old when they step into the studio for the first time and have a hit record. So tell me a little bit about this particular group and this song and where the record was made, how it was made. Dan Penn was the producer, and I had to meet Dan Penn, so I finally did, and Dan had produced the letter by the Box Tops, Huge Hit and Bell Records was on him because the follow up didn't sell that

well. But Dan had no song. He couldn't. He wrote some things with his partner Spooner Oldham, but nothing worked out. They were up all night they couldn't figure out what to do. The session was scheduled the next day at American Sound Studios, which produced US, Sweet Caroline and all the hits. Angel in the morning. So Dan went into a little diner right before the session was to start and he said to Spooner, Spooner, I could just cry like a baby. Spooner said, that's it, cry like

a baby. Dan said, oh yeah. So he started yelling down some lyrics and it. Spooner went in put a melody to it. All. In about thirty forty five minutes, the musicians came in and on this session they didn't use the band. They used the studio session band, an American that was played on the Suspicious Minds by alf Us and all those hits, and they cut it. It was one of the early records. They have a sitar in it. Big Hit brought the Vox Tops back and Dan Penn

as a producer and writer was back in action. Dan Penn was the best blue eyed soul singer I have ever heard. I mean, this guy was amazing, and he made some records on his own, but Dan as a writer was sort of eclipsed. So he was even a better writer than he was a singer. And he was the best blue eyed soul singer you ever heard. That's saying a lot. So this studio that you're talking about though,

you mentioned Sweet Caroline, you mentioned Angel of the Morning. Yeah, it was this something by a guy named Chips Moment who was a terrific guitar player. And is this in Memphis or National Memphis? Memphis, and he started American back towards the late sixties, had a hit with Angel in the Morning by Merrily Rush, and all of a sudden, the hit started flying out of the area at about one hundred and thirty nationally charted records. Wow.

So Elvis comes in and they were persuaded him to come back home and record in Memphis at American Sound Studios. That was a funky looking place. None of these studios out in the regional music centers I call him, were really that nice. I mean they were a funky look So Elvis comes in, he starts singing, A rat fell out of the ceiling and scared him to death, and he took off running, and the Chips moment was behind that studio and turned out all those records. He told Dan Penn when they

made the letter, don't put that. Don't put the jet plane on the beginning. He said, you ought to, you know, put that. Don't use it at all. And Dan said, Chips, if I can't use it, I'm going to put this tape in my hands and take a razor blade and cut it up. So the letter has a plane at the beginning, Yes it does, and and on through Uh a bridge in the song too, you'll hear the the roar of the engine. Let's listen to Alex Chiltern and Uh the house band masquerading as the box tops on cry like

a baby here, but I think about the good of the games. Literally, not a cart, why no not the jone out of man, not a door, not a fact for a lots of sweet night street A no, no, the turn out a bad thing. Not a coil on the street. Today we bathed on the street. My huses from my feet. It is the nightcap on seven w l w Alex Shelton, the box Tops

Cry like a Baby. We're talking with Randy McNutt, the author of Guitar Towns and a music historian, do a little rock and roll archaeology on a weeknight, and Randy, you were talking about what was going on in Memphis with Chip Mohman Studio. There was a lot going on in Memphis, wasn't there? Oh yeah, yeah, at Ardent Studio, which was turning out hits more in a rock rock fin the Old Royal Theater, which is did

Willie Mitchell's hits, the instrumentals just so much coming out of there. It was country hits and R and B and Chip's moments, pop and soul. Did you get into Stacks Records at all when I When I got their stacks had been torn down? Yeah, yeah, and it's been now it's a museum historical area. But no, I didn't get into so I would love to have seen that studio. Americans. I love these studios because they are so a lot of them were the way behind the times technical technology wise.

But I asked one of the producers, I said, how did you do that on a two track recorder? He goes Son Two's all you need if you know what you're doing. I love it. Yeah, So I gathered some information from that when I got back home. I remember one of the producers said, just roll the tape and leave the players alone. I love that. I love that philosophy. I love you know what. Here's the

thing too. You're talking to somebody whose radio career started in like nineteen seventy nine, in college, nineteen eighty professionally, So you're talking to somebody who worked with two track recorders reel the reels and a splicing block and a blade. So I know exactly what you're talking about. Where if you know what you're doing, two tracks is enough. You had a story about DJ Thomas.

I wanted you to share real briefly if you could, or or and surrounding that, and where this happened, and what was the vibe you got from the studio where this was recorded. Well, BJ was out of Texas and I loved his voice. I loved him, Billy, Joe, Royle, a lot of those guys, and I never met BJ, but I heard Eyes of a New York Woman, which was a record that brought him back. He had had billions. Sue and and you know a few other hits, but some time had gone by, and face it, if you

don't do anything in a year, your passe. You're cold. But Chips Moman got him down an American and cut Eyes of a New York Woman, written by one of the staff musicians there, Mark James, And oh, I loved that record. It it just did you know, it was just pleasant to hear. And based on that, Chips Cut hooked on a feeling with BJ. Oh yeah, that brought him way, That brought him into

the whole new realm of his career. And and he had the studio band backing them up, the same players that played on Suspicious Minds by Elvis and some of those other hits. And BJ was riding high and had hit after hit and finally moved on and recorded in New York and things like that. But Cassidy and the same dance kid. Yes, raindrops keep falling on my head right right. Those weren't Memphis songs, no, But yeah, BJ

had a great career. Well let's let's uh, well, we'll wrap up after we listen to a little bit of that fantastic tune you were talking about. BJ Thomas and the Eyes of a New York woman. I'll be in Yorks when the light shine right where my long ways to me of that home and telling moy sad ways for me, yll be eyes of your wolcond mad

She swept me Hoppy made mothers bussy. From New York, we go to Lake Charles, Louisiana talking with Randy mcnutts, the author of Guitar Towns, who traveled to all these different towns around America, and the little studios were great, records were made, little rock and roll archaeology dose on a Tuesday night here on seven hundred W l W and Randy, So Charles, Louisiana, tell me about this little studio in Lake Charles, Louisiana, of all

places, a guy named Eddie Schuler owned it. He had a TV repair shop, a little studio, and a record store. And one day a guy named Phil Phillips came in. He was a young guy at bell hop at a local hotel, and he had a song called Sea of Love that he had written for his girlfriend, and so Eddie recorded it as nineteen fifty nine and it was a gigantic hit. And Eddie's studio was a small cramp place with a one track recorder that smelled musty, and he had a clock

that ran backwards. Nice. This record was so big that it was recorded over the years in soundtracks of movies. It was an American graffiti and there was actually actually a movie called Sea of Love. But I love these studios

because the hits were so immense. But the studios were so small. And at one of the best muscle shoal sound studio in Alabama, they started cutting some hits down there, and Paul Simon come in to cut coda chrome and they had the studio owners were the musicians, and it had been a coffin factory, a very narrow building twenty five feet wide, and they had to

put buckets all over to catch the rain drops coming through the ceiling. And one of the musicians said, well, let's get some sanitary napkins and stick them up into the ceiling to stop this. And then Paul came in and he was shocked at the look of the place, but you know, he got some hits, and Bob Seeer cut Night Grooves down there. All the night Moves was cut there. Yes, night Moves. This is a muscle shoals, right, yeah, right, Once these studios, regional ones got

hot. Everybody wanted to come in and catch the magic. Nationally and the same with the same studios. It started a tobacco warehouse and then later had its you know, larger studio once it got big. Wilson Pickett, Mustang Sally and Oh my gosh, the Osmond's One Bad Apple, Reta Franklin. I never loved a mand the way I loved you. And the Rolling Stones came down. Leonard Skinner talks about Mussel Muscle Shoals has got the swampers.

I mean, that's that's that's the band. Yeah, that is that is that is immortalized in one of the great iconic Southern rock songs of all time, Sweet Home Alabama. They're talking about muss oh yeah. And the Muscle Shoals was a very interesting place I went and I went into the original studio. By then it become a used appliance store. I had a hundred degrees and I was miserable, and I went in there and the guy was in a wheelchair and an old T shirt, and he said, you know,

can I interest you in a used washing machine? I said, nobody, I'd like to see this building. So he took me through and everything was gone, but the glass and the control room are there. He said, you want to see there when I see in my bathroom. I said, well, I don't know, you know, he said, he took his cane and he opened the door and on the inside of the door was filled with nothing but autographs, rolling stones and everybody. And so you know,

it was big. They opened a bigger studio later, but the swampers mortgaged their homes. The studio musicians. Well, you know what, you have given me all kinds of ideas for trips that I might want to plan next year. Randy McNutt, thank you so much, and I can keep your number and maybe we can do this again sometime anytime, anytime. Fally N.

This is great. Thanks Randy McNutt with us on the Nightcap and we'll roll on in moments after a break on seven hundred WLW seven hundred W l W, Gary Jimp, GJ Dobbs and my friend PB Peter Bronson joining us in studio tonight for a few minutes to talk about his latest book, The Man Who Saves Cincinnati, which, yes, Peter, I do have my copy of it, and uh, you're right, at the top of my list, and it's right in, it's right in the lane of recounting and

uh, going inside the history of this area of Cincinnati, of northern Kentucky. That has become your specialty. And I love the historical aspect because if you don't, if you don't understand history, you're doomed to repeat it. Oh so true. And you know what could could be? Could we be on the precipice of repeating a civil war in this country? That's that's a great question. I mean, there are so many things that we see today

that are echoes of the eighteen sixties. The eighteen sixties was the first time presidential a man who was elected as president was rejected and repudiated by half the country who said they would not be part of a country that had that man as president. That man was Abraham Lincoln. It was the first time anybody that ran for president was kept off the ballot in several states, all of the South, kept Lincoln off the ballot. We see that today free speech

was dangerous. You could be stoned in the street for speaking up too loudly about the South or the North, depending on where you stood. In Cincinnati, it was especially dangerous because we lived right on the fault line, so we were right across the river from a slave state. Well, the president you mentioned, Abraham Lincoln, who was elected during the Civil War, he put journalists in prison. He put people who were speaking freely in prison because

they weren't echoing the Union narrative. Yeah. Clement Clement the Landingham, the congressman from Dayton, Ohio, was a copperhead. I mean he sympathized with the South. Lincoln had Ambrose Burnside, the general who was in charge of the Cincinnati region in the Department of Ohio, sent federal troops to knock down his door at midnight and haul him out of his house in his pajamas and throw him into a military prison because he was inciting anti union sentiment. That's

a complete violation of free speech. His constitutional rights were sounds like Roger Stone and Donald Trump. I'm saying, yes, there are so many parallels. Lincoln was threatened. He was the outsider president. He didn't come up through the establishment, so all of Washington turned on him, especially the southern representatives.

But he was reviled and held in contempt as being this big buffoon who didn't belong to the White House, and he was threatened with death and fact on his way to his inauguration, people tried to kill him several times, including an assassination attempt right in Cincinnati. Well, I mean they actually did to hide him on the train, yes, from Springfield, Illinois to Washington, d c. Yes, And because they were worried about people, you

know, raiding the train in its route and killing him. And you're right. And when he got to Baltimore, which was a slave state, Maryland. Right, he gets to Baltimore, and they were especially afraid that there was going to be somebody in the crowd who would rushed forward with a knife for a gun and kill him. He had actually put on a disguise and slipped out the back door of his train car to avoid the crowd and slip

through the crowd to get to the White House. He made it. He made it for a little while, for the re duration of the war. That's correct. And when you think about this, it triggers all these parallels.

There's so many more. For example, immigration was weaponized. The North used immigration because all of the immigrants were coming in the northern cities where the industrial jobs were, so they used immigration to pack their representation and to take over control of Congress, and then they used that political power to inflict tariffs on the South that almost destroyed the Southern economy. So immigration was weaponized free

speech. The immigrants that the North had brought in in the industrial North were counted as a way to increase their representation, while the slaves in the South, one fifth of a person or whatever it was not even a citizen according to dred Scott decision. They were a mere property. And there's another example that parallels today, a Supreme Court decision that was maybe intended in some way

to heal this divided nation, actually made things much worse. So sort of like the DoD decision, right right, The dread Scott decision polarized the nation extremely because it said that the slave ownership. It protected slave ownership and extended slave ownership into the New States. Wow, well, I mean, so we've gone from protecting slave ownership to protecting baby killers in other country. Yeah, and here again you put your finger on it, the North and the

South. You could divide it just as today. You could say there was an issue that one side thought was a constitutional right and the other one thought was morally abhorrent in eighteen sixty. That issue is slavery in twenty twenty three. Yeah, and it goes right to the moral foundation of people's world. Both do they both do? Now? History has judged eighteen sixty. History

has yet to judge what we're doing in twenty twenty three. Well, I mean God will ultimately judge, yes, brother, and I don't think there's any doubt about that. One talk about some stuff that's going on right now in the world, not just in our country. Peter Bronson as our guest.

The book is the Man who saved Cincinnati. And first and foremost these pro Palestinian or what do they call it, pro Hamas protesters in these calls for Israel to give a cease fire and stop the quote genocide in Gaza, when the genocide actually has been ongoing thanks to islamis terrorism for the last fifty

plus years. I was going through the list with Dan Carroll, I think last week, but I said, hold on, So Israel cannot defend itself and the Hamas terrorists get all the free punches they want versus their pr machine that has cranked up full tilt. And the media is like media, Yeah, the media are their lap dogs and their and their mouthpieces. And I think about this in terms of what would happen. Say if Peter Bronson has his house broken into and that person murders Peter's wife. I'm not saying that

should happen. I'm just saying in context, and then Peter is put in jail and ultimately killed for stopping the intruder. That's exactly what fact. We go back to nineteen sixty seven and that war where Israel had to defend itself against pretty much all of the Arab world. Yes, it was outnumbered.

Nineteen seventy two, the Munich Olympics, nineteen seventy three, the hijacking of the Achille Laurel where Leon Klinghoffer, a Jewish man in a wheelchair was killed by the Islamis terraces, the Beirut bombing of nineteen eighty three, the Munich Olympics. Like I said in nineteen seventy two, it's over it that the om Kapur War of nineteen seventy they are and they told us that they are all about exterminating the jadicating the Jews. Yes, yes, they have done

this over and over and over again. And my contention is that we as a country, well, I hate the fact of being involved in some war anywhere else but defending our homeland. But they violated our sovereign American soil in nineteen seventy nine when they took over the embassy in Taran, Iran and held American hostages for four hundred and forty four days. That was officially a declaration of war. And it's a war that we seemed to be reluctant to fight

back in. I mean, it's amazing, isn't it. I mean, it goes we should still be acting a war with the Mullah's and the Ietolas in Iran. We should they started it. In so many ways, this parallels what we started out talking about, which is that there are libraries that could be filled with books about the Civil War to tell us what happened so

that we can avoid those mistakes in the future. There are libraries that are filled with what happened to the Jews under the Nazis, yes, and the persecution of those people over the centuries, and yet we ignore those libraries of information. We have kids coming out of higher education institutions today who are so pathetically ignorant they don't know any of this history. They've been manipulated and brainwashed

by left wing professors and agents of Hamas who have infested our campuses. And so we have a situation where in both of these situations where people are too ignorant to even know history, much less avoid repeating it. Well, somebody said to you the other day, these gen Z, what are these gen Z people doing? I said, don't they remember nine nine to eleven? I said, no, they weren't born. No they don't. I mean

they were babies. And they have no concept of even that modern history which is still fresh in Armae, which we take it like it's just that's part

of the world. How in the world, if they're being indoctrinated, not educated on the real history, would they know anything about the formation of the State of Israel in nineteen forty eight, would know anything about the fact that the term Palestinian was an invention of the late nineteen sixties, And there's no historical thread that tells you there's really a Palestinian people even or a culture. Yeah. So if you're a Palestinian language, so you know, you can't

say that on campus, You're not say it here. Yes, you can say it here. But you know, that's another part of the problem is that speech has been so politicized and made there's certain areas of free speech that are considered off limits, so people can't have an honest discussion about these things.

And and the total I mean, if this doesn't call attention, call public attention to the total failure of our higher education system, of our system of so called advanced learning in this country, of their moral failure, their failure as a responsibility to educate the people who are paying fifty sixty one hundred thousand dollars intuition and more and more and going into debt for a generation. For that to be totally brainwashed and misled and uninformed about basic history. It's

it's just shameful. Well and more and more people are waking up to the fact that, you know what, you really don't need a four year degree, yes, to make it in this world, and you know it's something to be carefully considered by parents and by incoming students, like, well, is this going to prepare me well for you know, the real world after college? And none of this is prepared people? Are you unprepared? You

are almost stunned in your growth, you are misinformed. Well, you're mis educated, you're prepared to fail and yeah, and you're warped in your worldview. You come out feeling like a victim, and you don't know right and wrong. You don't know how to respect your country or the history of your country and what it's done. I mean, there's an op ed in the Wall Street Journal you probably saw about the DEI programs at Ohio State and how

they almost like a totalitarian regime. They insisted that every candidate for advancement or hiring on the campus had to go through these DEI committees. And the DEI committees through this freedom of information request, they got the actual documents. They were incredibly brazen about how they selected candidates based on the color of their skin, on their sexual orientation, on totally discriminatory things that are prohibited by our

constitution and our protection from discrimination. And yet this is the regime that was operating on that campus to select the people that would educate. How in the world is that diversive or inclusive? It is not. It's just the exact opposite. So Peter Bronson, the book is the man who saved Cincinnati, just real quickly in our last couple of minutes together, just give me an

outline. Well, this is about a forgotten chapter in Cincinnati's history. Most people are n't aware of it that we were the sixth largest city at the time, twice as big as Chicago, four times bigger than San Francisco. We were the big queen city of the Midwest what was called then the West. So the queen city of the West is sitting there, this ripe apple on a low branch, and it is totally undefended. We had military stockpiles, we had the wagons, the mules, the horses, We had all

kinds of weapons and food and gold in our banks. And the Confederates who are on a rule, and they come up through Kentucky and they're winning battles left and right, and they're just rolling back the Union. And this general, this young general Henry Heath, says to his commanding officer. He says, I'd like to go take Cincinnati. And he said, well, what do you think you need? And he goes, I think I can do it with ten thousand of my battle hardened veterans who have won all these battles,

and the city's undefended. Let's pick it. Let's just pick it off the branch. He comes up, he gets as far as Fort Mitchell. And meanwhile, they've sent this young Union general to defend the city. But they gave him no weapons, no cannons, no troops, no army, nothing. He comes to Cincinnati, he defends the city in three days. Oh man, I want to read it now. The Man who Saved Cincinnati is the name of the book. The author is Peter Bronson. Chili Dog

Press is a publisher and sign copies at chilidog press dot com. All right, and it's available for Christmas shopping and you've got a history nut on your list. This would be a perfect, perfect under the tree or stocking stuff for Pete. Thank you so much, perfect guest as always. Oh glad to be here. You bet. It's the Nightcap and we roll on with it in minutes on seven hundred WLW when you're rope and down the go country. Welcome back to the Nightcap seven hundred wl W, Gary Jeff Walker.

Proud to introduce another three named person. We should all stick together, all of those you know, Billy Bob Thornton. I don't I'm not gonna include him, but Gary Jeff Walker. Marjorie Taylor Green, the congressman from the great State of Georgia who has been seen by many as a lightning rod. I think she's fantastic, and she has a new book out about her fantasticness called MTG. And she's on the phone with us right now. Marjorie Taylor Green, Welcome to the show. Hi, thanks so much for having me

on today. I love the fact that you are never afraid to say what's on your mind, and you're never afraid to point out the hypocrisy that is all over establishment Washington, d c. And within our federal government. And I'm so glad you're there fighting against the tide of a leftist nonsense. So thank you. I'm not a constituent directly of yours, but I am the beneficiary of somebody who sees things the right way, let's put it that way.

So so much so thank you for always being there and the State of Georgia. Do you think that the election woes that we saw in twenty twenty in the State of Georgia and the others are going to be fixed? Have they done anything to rectify the obvious problems that resulted in Joe Biden winning the

presidential election hope. So although I don't really trust many elections, and I think that's why, you know, I wrote a chapter about it in my book about why people need to engage in the election process, volunteer to be poll workers. I always say, flood the polls. Even though you have concerns about elections. We have to vote, vote, vote anyway any means possible, and get as many people to show up because that's how we're going to win. And you know, I wrote my book MTG because if people

don't know my background, I'll tell you real quick. I ran for Congress because we know who the Democrats are. They tell us every day to our faith and we watch their policies of destruction of America. But you know who

I was mad at. I was mad at the Republicans, and I continue to be upset with the Republican Party because if they actually followed through on what they said on the campaign trail, what they say on their five minute committee hearings, what they say in their strongly worded letters, we wouldn't be in this situation. And it took decades for us to get here. And I'm really sick and tired of it. So you know, I am outspoken,

but we need to be. We're a country of over thirty three trillion dollars in debt, a wide open border, and we're on the verge of losing our freedoms in our great American way of life. So I think it's worth calling out, and I'm pushing the Republican Party to do better and fight for Americans and America first, not the rest of the world. Any thoughts off the top of your head about Mike Johnson the Speaker, Well, it's early in his speakership. Of course, I supported him and voted for him.

He's a really nice guy. He's a good Christian man. But I have to tell you I voted against the Continuing Resolution he just passed that continues Joe Biden's budget of wide open borders, woke military policies, and it's destroying our economy as we speak, with a weaponized Department of Justice that's targeting Trump and Trump supporters. So I voted against SAT and was disappointed to see that come

to the House floor under his speakership. But it's still early. I think we can hope to see better things coming out of him, but I don't want to see another Ukraine funding bill that would be absolutely outrageous, and Americans are tired of it, and we we need to see him fight harder against

Chuck Schumer and against the White House. It seems to me no big surprise that the same people who are staging these pro hamas rallies around this country in favor of the terrorists in the Middle East seem to be the same people that are in bed with BLM, that are in bed with planned parenthood. It seems like a culture of death just surrounds people who are of the mind that

Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself. Your thoughts, Oh, well, you know, I wrote a lot in my book and I hope people get a copy at mtgbook dot com about Washington and the machines that it uses, especially in these types of movements. And you know what we're seeing now with the ceasefire Now movement. It's the same organizers as BLM, same Antifa protesters. They're all the same. It's just a new name, a new T shirt and a new sign. That's it, and a new emoji on

your social media post. And so this is this is something that we're going to constantly, constantly be dealing with. But the most terrifying thing about it is they're directly linked to actual members of Congress like Rashida to Leib And this is something that we haven't really seen at a level of Islamic terrorism. You know, they occupied the House Cannon Building where my office is on October eighteenth,

and if January sixth was an insurrection, so was October eighteenth. But the only problem is is our FBI Director Christ Array, Department of Justice Attorney General Merritt Garland, they aren't concerned about Islamic terrorism. We're seated to leave ceasefirenail pro homos, terrorist groups in our country coming into our government buildings. They're not concerned about the wide open border and all the terrorists that came across

the open border in the past several years. They're more interested in tracking down people like Gregory yetman Uh with helicopters and tanks in the streets and putting Maga Grahamaws in jail for as many years as possible. And so we need to we need to fight democrats and punch them in the nose for exactly who they are, and they're communists. You've got that's the way we're going to take

our country back. Of course, they're communists, Marxist, whatever you want to signify, but they are the communists, and it's sad that they're in such control in the in the quarters of power in Washington, d C. The book is MTG mggbook dot com. Is it? Did I get that correct? Yes? Mtgbook dot com. Now you have a chapter also on January sixth, and now we're getting thanks to Speaker Johnson and leadership in the House, we're getting more of that footage from January sixth release to the general

public so they can actually see what an insurrection doesn't look like. What your thoughts on January sixth, and the people that have been held prison, the MAGA, Grandmas and stuff that you mentioned. Well, you know, I wrote an important chapter on January sixth, and it's because it was the third day as a member of Congress for me, third day on the job.

I was in the House Chamber and I organized the effort to object to Joe Biden's electoral College votes, and I was shocked at what happened, and I tell that story. I also tell about visiting the DC jail in November of twenty twenty one truly one of the most heartbreaking experiences of my life, and people need to understand those people are being persecuted and persecuted and it's still happening today. I'm very angry we don't have enough Republicans that actually care about stopping

it, and that's something that I find completely outrageous. You know, when it comes to the January six tapes, I believe they all should come out. That was only ninety hours of the forty four thousand hours that our new Speaker Johnson released, and everyone needs to understand that came out of a portal that has been being built for months and months, so that has been a work in progress even before he became Speaker. And I hope more of the

tapes come out. But more importantly, I have already called on the Speaker to create a January sixth Special Committee to investigate the former January sixth committee. We need to investigate me and c Pelosi. We need to subpoena the FBI, the Department of Justice, DC Police, whoever was there that day, and we need to get to the bottom. You know, the Democrats call our objection to Joe Biden's Electoral College votes and us calling it a stolen election.

They call that the big lie. The real big lie is the lie they told about January sixth, and it was a setup. And I want to see some real accountability for that. I'd like to see accountability just for Ashley Barrett, the brabbot, Ashley Babbitt, the Air Force veteran who was murdered on that day by a Capitol police officer. She was the only one who died on January sixth, and she was an unarmed, unarmed person inside the Capitol. She was no threat to anyone. Yes, we were in

the House chamber and sadly heard the gun shot. It was It's terrible. And Michael Bird, the Capitol police officer, you know, he had gotten a promotion not long after that and still has his job. And Ashley Babbitt's family has never seen just that's for her murder. That's that's I mean, that's God, what a stain on America. That's a bigger stain than objecting to the results of an election, for sure. Uh. Marjorie Taylor Green,

keep fighting the fight. I love the opportunity to get to talk to you today, and I hope everybody will pick up your book MTG Big Letters MTG mtgbook dot com if you would like to order it right now, and I wish you the best of luck coming up in twenty four. Thank you so much. It's great to talk to you today and have a happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving to you. Time to get to it fires at three got us basketball beer Cats tip off their season with a little full court action against

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now. Secure your seats for the biggest matchups the Great America. So a few weeks ago, I thought it'd be a great idea for my wife Christa two point oh to pick NFL games. And you know what the first three weeks or so it went okay, kind of a collapse in Week eleven, christ to two point Oh good evening, Welcome back to the Nightcap. I guess your crystal ball was kind of kind of a foggy last week when you were making your picks. Yeah, I sent that one back. I didn't

like it. Well, I understand why. It's time for another chance, a chance to redeem yourself. With the Week twelve picks. We're not picking point spreads, We're just picking a teams. And keep in mind that you only picked four winners last week, so let's try and do better this week. We start with the Thanksgiving games, which everybody loves. Thanksgiving football in the NFL and Thanksgiving there's three three games there. The Green Bay Packers always

play on Thanksgiving Day. They are playing the Detroit Lions, who also always play on Thanksgiving Day. Who wins? Packers? Lions? They're playing in Detroit Lions. Okay, Commanders and Cowboys. You know, it's a shame that the Commanders changed their name from the Redskins, because then we could have Cowboys and Indians on Thanksgiving Days? Would there be anything more appropriate? Wonderful? So Indians are cowboys? Which way to go? Cowboys? Cowboys?

How about them cowboys? Forty nine Ers are playing the Seahawks in Seattle. You know I'm going to go the Okay Saints and Falcons. I'm going my Saints. I don't care. You always picked the Saints, doesn't matter. Tampa Bay Bucket? Do you sed to live with kind of in the Tampa Bay area? Your sister did so? Tampa Bay Bucks or the Indianapolis Colts and they're playing in Indyls Colts, Panthers and Titans. Titans have not been doing well. The Panthers are woeful. It's a matchup of two teams that

aren't going anywhere. Where do they go? In Week twelve? Titans tighten up baby, Patriots are playing the Giants. Two other teams that have not fared this well to say the least. You going with New England or New York? New York Steelers Bengals. I hate to say this, but Steelers giving up Jags and Texans. Oh, let's go for the Jags. They had a good week last week. We'll see if translates. Okay, Rams and Cards your Cardinals in Arizona. They're playing in Arizona. Who wins this

game? Cardinals of course, Browns and Broncos in Denver, Broncos. We'll see how they do against that tough Browns. D My Kansas City Chiefs who lost last night playing the Raiders in Las Vegas. Do they bounce back? Yes? They do? Ghost Chefs, Chiefs. It is Buffalo and Philly the Iggles who beat my beloved Chiefs last night. Is it Buffalo or is it Philadelphia? It's the fly Eagles Fly the Baltimore the Baltimore Ravens, which for all the world looked like just monsters these days, on the road on

the West Coast playing the Chargers. Who wins Ravens are Chargers Ravens? Okay, you say that, like you You didn't want to say it. I didn't. But and your beloved Chicago Bears on the road to take on the Minnesota Vikings in an NFC North scrap who wins Bears and Vikings? Let's go Bears again? For Ken? All right, for Ken Carly, our friend Ken Carly is waiting for a holiday Cyclones game right now. All right, well, listen, you can you can only do better than last week.

Baby, Come on, let's let's get this together. This time I do worse. But let's let's not let's not even consider that possibility. Let's go with your You're going to improve and and get back to your winning ways. Chris to two point zero the crystal ball for this week's and fl season. I'll see you when I get home, honey, all right, I love

you, love you too. I will we'll wrap things up Dan Carroll's corner, of course, as the host of the Midweek Crisis in this time slot on Wednesdays and Thursdays when there was a show, and we will kind of discuss what's going on with Dan tomorrow and stuff in the news tonight seven hundred w l W into another hour of the Nighttown on seven hundred w l W. Well, we've come to that portion of the evening that many people, and in fact, if they know exactly when he's going to be on the

make sure that they turn their radio on at that particular moment and then turn it off after he's off the phone, because this is the part that day of my show that they live for, which makes me feel kind of bad because I think I bring a lot more to the table than just the fur ball. But Andy Furman is joining us here on Thanksgiving week, and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours Andy, same to you. And I have to say one thing. Number one, stop schmoozing me, because she's setting me

up for the kill. I get it. I finally, after all these years, I figured that out. But I do want to say something to you and your large audience that you have a big heart. You have a tremendous heart, because on Thanksgiving Day at Huddles in Newport, you're going to be catering. May very well be for the last time that Thanksgiving Day meal for those who are maybe less fortunate than you and I and others that cannot

have a meal or kind of celebrate members of friends. Forget about the last fortunate part, Andy, and we do have a couple of people who really could use a meal who come in. But it's people who may be displaced from their families, either by distance or by the fact that they don't have a good relationship, you know, where they don't have much of or any relationship with familial people. And it is a familial holiday. It's my favorite

holiday. It's my favorite holiday because there's no pressure except on me, because I've got to bring all this food down and keep it warm for a couple of hours on a Thursday. But no, there's no pressure. Football and food. That's football food, family and food and family. That's right. The three, the three? Well there's four fs now, yeah, yes, can you think of? Can you think of any more? Fs? What I think of? I can't stay them on the air, but I

will say this. You know, if I would have known you doing this catering instead of having my wife cook for a family of thirty plus people, we should all have gone to huddles. I want to ask you, let's talk about Thanksgiving at the firm and house full household. So your wife and you are hosting Thanksgiving at your place right, Well, not this year, I say, for the last thirty years, believe it or not, we've hosted the entire family, some thirty plus people we'll come to our home and

we loved it and it was great. But this year, for some reason, our niece who lives like in Lexington, said she would do it, and I said great. But you know what, as we get closer to Thanksgiving, I'm going to miss it. I missed the hubub, I miss all the people coming to the house. And all the people I don't usually see many times during the year, you were trap saying all the way to

Lexington, Yeah, we'll be in Lexington. Yeah. And you know what, there's something to be said about walking around in the comfort of your home, maybe barefoot or with socks on. And then everybody leaves and you could just kick back and now we're going to Lexington, an hour an hour and ten minute trip for northern Kentucky. And then when it's over, you got to schlep. I used that word. I underlined it, schled back to northern Kentucky after a big meal when you really want to just lay down and

rest. Well, it's different. It's a little different back in the day when I was not working in the bar and did not decide to be mister do gooder and host Thanksgiving at the bar. I always cook Thanksgiving, and if we had people over the house for Thanksgiving, I wouldn't I wouldn't even get dressed. I just put on a robe and hope that the belt, the belt held together over anymore. Really, well, no I'm not there.

That's why they don't come over. You know the best part of Thanksgiving when I won't be able to do this until I get home about seven o'clock on Thursday night. The best part is when the meal's done, and especially if you've got you know, somebody cleaning up the plates and everything. The nap, the nap is so I mean, don't you think that that's one of the most important parts of Thanksgiving? After you've done it, you have

a couple of bruise. If you have a couple of bruise inside too, you know, Oh no, no, that's that's that's a given for me. I mean gonna I'm gonna have some drinks, uh right, And the weather's supposed to be good, that's all I hear. The weather will be pretty good. Talking about mid fifties and sunshine. Yeah, in years past, we sit outside the fellas of the family. We sit outside, have

a couple of cigars and talk and it was great. You know, I don't know what we're gonna do now, but you know, we'll see. I do you have a Do you have a favorite Thanksgiving dish that you like the best? Is there something that Andy really likes? And let's go to the other other end of the spectrum too, what's the Thanksgiving dish you could do without? For the rest of your life. So let's start with the top. The best thing about Thanksgiving traditional fee, And you're gonna say something

I don't. I don't mean to say this to be funny. I'm being very sincere. I could easily have Skyline, chili, white Castles, or anything else instead of a big Turkey dinner. I'm not into it. I'm really not. I'm not a fancy guy. Chinese food is fine with me. Matter of fact, one of my sons and his wife, they're gonna be celebrating Thanksgiving in North Carolina because they have some family down there. His wife does, so we took them out for their Thanksgiving on Sunday evening and

we went to Oriental Walk in northern Kentucky. And I loved it, and I could go back. I could eat there every day of the week. I could with Mike Wang and his family. I love Chinese food. I could have a pizza. I have the roses. I mean to me, if I had a Roses pie on Thanksgiving and the football and a couple of beers, I'm in no. You know, I'm easy to please. Is

Mike Wang related to Donnie Wong? Could very well be Derry famous Wang family no, Donnie Wong used to have restaurants in Cincinnati, Chinese restaurants in Cincinnati. He did, Yeah, I think he used to have one downtown. As a matter of fact, that began like a seventh Street. He used to play cards in the back of Huddles with three other older guys every Wednesday.

And it was Donnie Wong and and one of the guys, Mike Huddle, who the bar was named after, would would hear that Donnie was going to be there, and he goes, oh, geez, he can't play cards, and then Donnie would clean them all out playing playing gin uh. Anyway, off track there, off subject, So what's the what's the I mean, you don't like turkey necessarily, but is there any other traditional Thanksgiving meal or side item that you just could could do without? Probably a cranberry

sauce. Really, I'm not big on that, you know, I don't even like what it looks like, to be honest, there's someffing I like. I like stuffing, meshed potatoes. I like, you know, I will eat the turkey, but again, you know, I eat it because the tradition and there's nothing else to eat that day. That's what everybody eats. They chowd down on it. But you know what if I went to

as He's a Comby sandwich, that I'd be fine. Really. In a recent study, thirty one percent of Americans responding said that their least favorite Thanksgiving side was the green bean cast role. I'm not a huge fan of the green bean cast role either. I mean, give me green beans or give me cream a mushroom soup. I don't want them together, and I don't need the little yeah yeah, yeah. But you know, it's funny to me the food is secondary. And I may be wrong, but people are

really go crazy. I mean I see people in family they come to these events on Thanksgiving Day wearing sweatpants that are not to bust in their jeans. Really, I mean they really, they prepare for the food, they get ready for it. I'm not that kind of guy. I mean, I'm just happy to see family because I don't see them often, and I'm happy to see him. So that was to me a secondary on That was one of the EPs that we forgot Andy at the beginning of the conversation. There's

food, family, what else was there? Football? Friend and friends and friends? And there's also fat. There are a lot of fat people who look forward to Thanksgiving every year because they've got they've got to stretch sweatpants and they're ready to go. They've been prepping all year long for this. This is just Thanksgiving Day for fat people is just like yeah, but it's also like Tuesday or Wednesday or any other day because they're going to overload any day

of the week. This just gives them an excuse to do it. What do you think? You know, sometimes you got to sit back and think about what the holiday is for, like Memorial Day and Veterans Day and the fourth of July. Fourth of July is not just the grill hot dogs. I mean, there's some o. Hell, it's not day right, it's about patriotism, it's about the forefires. It's about a lot of people. It's just a girl, right and fireworks. Thanksgiving is about being together and

being grateful for the blessings that we have. Absolutely now right. The other part one of my blessings is having you as a friend. That's that's a blessing. It really is. Well, that's that's really nice. Much as I hate to say it, it's very hard for me to say it. Really it's really nice. Andy, let's let's let's move on from that. Let's move on from this unfortunate statement you've just madeting. It really is football

football, football football. It was. It was one of the top three f's when it comes to Thanksgiving, and let's talk about our Thanksgiving football lineup. I have to ask you. I got to ask you this. Okay, the big story was Joe Burrow getting off the plane with the bandage, so the alleged bandage on it, and people are saying it was a compression thing because he wears it on the plane. Okay, first of all, the big story should be and I don't know where the journalists are around this

area, but the big stories who put that picture on social media? Who took the picture? Was it a member of the Bengals staff? Was it an outside I want to know, don't you? Aren't you curious about that? Who put it on and who took it off? Who made them take it off social media? And if so, was the person who put it on punished by the Bengals, if in fact he works for the Bengals. That's the stuff people want to know. I want to know that. Well, yeah, but yeah, that's that's like, who put the bomb and

the bomb to bomb the NFL. No, No, that's that's the story. You know, that's everybody's side stepping back because they're afraid of quote. Get somebody in trouble. Okay, let me tell you something. What happened the other day. I happened to read the New York Post every day online. I used to subscribe to it. Pronounced easy to get. Thank god you don't read the New York Times because that's a rat. Anyway, go ahead, I get live it to my house. But there's no big deal.

But I worked for the New York Post when I was a kid in college. At night, I know someone the writers, Steve Surby, one of the few writers that are still there, Phil Mushton, Steve Surby. Other than that, the rest of them are gone. They retired. But here's the deal. He was a story in Yesterday's New York Post about Joe Burrow buying a new home. Why don't I have to read that in the New York Post? Why can't I read that in the Cincinnati Enquirer. I

don't understand it. I mean, I scratched my head when I see these stories. Joe Burrow bought a new home for seven point five million dollars overlooking the Ohio River, all right, And they had pictures overhead, pictures of the home in the New York Post. How does that happen? Tell the me, explain that to me. That's steak Gary Jeff Walker. That's because the New York Post actually still has reporters the inquirer does. Okay, all right, that's why, Yeah, all right, I hear you. Okay.

I don't know why you're questioning why the fish rap is the fish rap printed in Columbus, the Post stamp printed in somewhere else beside Cincinnati. I don't know why you even. I mean, just because they print your occasional op ed doesn't mean they're a real newspaper. Andy, Well, they did the best I can with the limited staff. That happened. The story was quite interesting in the New York Post. Is seven point five million dollar home

on Steverl Lake. A lot of acres are, okay, But they did say he's going to build an indoor swimming pool in that home, and he has a great view of the Ohio River. And they said that in the story prior to this, he's moving in there now. He bought it furnished, but prior to moving in there, guess what, he lived in Terrace

Park and also lived at home with his parents. So these are interesting things that I think people would like to know, Okay, but I also want to know if, in fact, was that really a compression bandage that he used, because they say when you were in flight, sometimes it says swelling, or was it really a stand hold on, hold on, hold on penalties. I'm answering. I'm answering. I'm trying to answer your question.

My wife good, my wife because of her lymphedema, which was caused by her breast cancer surgery in her arm because they had to take out some lymph nodes, so she had to wear a compression sleeve for a while, and especially the doctor emphasized make sure you wear this on the plane when we flew to Florida to visit my brother over Labor Day weekend and spend the weekend on

his boat. Lots of people wear compression sleeves on planes. Andy, that's not an answering my question, because when I had hip surgery back in May, I wore a compression sleeve when I was going to therapy. Okay, I get it. I understand that, But the point is that it wasn't that was it, in fact the compression sleeve or was it a bandaged for an injury? Well? Why why he looked fine in the first half of that game, Andy, before he was thrown down to the ground in this

he wasn't. He wasn't injured. He wasn't injured before the game. He wasn't injured before the game. You know how he was? Huh? I didn't say that. I want to know the facts. I'm not saying he was or he was not. But how do you know that he wasn't? Well, why why can't you just take the Bengals word? Because this saying that's the fear of a losing a draft pick or being fined some seventy five thousand dollars, but not announcing the fact that he should have been on the

injured list prior to the ballgame. He wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't injured prior. He wasn't injured prior to the ball game, and his performance showed that he wasn't injured up till the know that. Okay, all I know is this, Well, I say, is this, but the NFL now in bed with professional gambling with MGM and everybody else. Is a big deal that the NFL really and truly better get their actings. The only injury and it's the only reason the injury board is only there because

of gambling. And even before the legal gambling it was there. And I thought of one more f that is tied to Thanksgiving that we we haven't mentioned yet. You're ready? You're ready? Is f you r m A n Furman Furman Furman Happy Thanksgiving? Andy, you too, you and yours thank you bye. When it's time for an afternoon sandwich, it's time for Chester set cheese. Chester's head cheese is packed with choice chunks of brain, eye, ear, and flesh. Chester seat cheese the perfect choice for listening to

Eddie and Rocky. Head cheese is an excellent source of antioxidants. Eddie and Rocky are an excellent source for local issues. One of the kind of interviews had fun times Eddie and Rockey. More afternoon at three seven hundred WLW, Here we go on the night cap. Our buddy Dave Hatter is back to talk some text stuff. Ori t Guy from intrust It and the Mayor of

Fort Wright and everywhere else. When somebody has a question about the Internet of Things world, the first call around here is Dave Hatter, and there's good reason because he is constantly watching all of the trends and news stories and keeping track of this stuff for us. So Dave, good evening and a happy Thanksgiving ahead of time to you. Well, Gary Japans always, thanks for

having me on, and happy Thanksgiving to you and all your listeners. I appreciate the opportunity to try to raise some awareness about the crazy world we live in. Will you be at home for Thanksgiving? Do you have to go anywhere? What's going on? Well, you know, Gary jaff Private Hatter does whatever General Hatter tells him too. But yes, she's having everyone over at our house, so it'll be good. How about you. I am hosting Thanksgiving dinner at the bar where I work for the eleventh out of twelve

years. I bring a turkey, I've got three different kinds of dressing, my special sauteed Brussels sprouts, and probably some mashed potatoes and gravy. But anybody else need anything else, they can bring it. That's how I feel about it. Let's talk some stuff. First off, this whistleblower, whistleblower from Meta, Facebook, whatever you want to call it, has told the Senate that their company cannot be trusted with your children or any of our children.

Talk about this a little bit if you can. Yeah, I think this is a pretty interesting story. It's not the first, not the first whistleblower to come forward. And just a reminder for folks. Facebook change their name to Meta, and Meta is now sort of the parent brand, kind of like Google and Alphabet. Right, Alphabet is the parent company of Google and some other brands. You've got Meta now, which is Facebook, Whatsapped, Instagram, and other brand. This guy testified before Congress. His name

is Francis Hogan. Assuming I'm pronouncing that right. No, no, no, I'm sorry, I'm mixing two guys up. This was a different whistleblower, the guy in this particular story of Arturo Behar, who is the former director of engineering for Protect and Care at Facebook, so someone that you should know what he's talking about. And he had sent an email warning of problems using these products, right, you know, mental health crisis and so forth. We've heard about this a lot, and when you read some of the

comments here. Again, I'm not surprised by any of this. I think, you know, Gary, Jeff, I'm not a fan of Facebook, Slash, Meta, TikTok, and a lot of these social media platforms for a variety of reasons. But he says here Meta continues to publicly misrepresent the level and frequency of harm that users, especially children, experience on the platform.

Behart told the Subcommittee on Privacy and Technology and Law and prepared remarks, and they have yet to establish a goal for actually reducing those harms and protect children. Protecting children. It's time that the public and parents understand the true level of harm prosed by these quote products unquote, and it's time that young users have the tools to report and suppress online abuse. He was there too for quite a while, so mean, this isn't someone who you know,

I mean maybe as an extra grind that I don't know. I don't know much about this guy other than this particular situation, but he couldly was there for a long time and had some you know, insider insights. So yeah,

I think this is a warning parents should heat well. This is actually echoing the things that we have heard before about dangers to kids and continue to hear about the dangers to kids specifically that are exposed to you know, this voluminous, incredible mountain of social media and these apps that are so intrusive and invasive and don't don't care about what they're doing to, especially a young mind that's still forming, you know well, and you know, Gary Jeff.

This points to the other problem, which is the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act says that you have to be at least thirteen years old to use these platforms without a parent's permission. But we all know that that just doesn't happen, right, I Mean, the soap and scale of these things is too much.

It's easy to impersonate someone. Most kids are way ahead of their parents anyway, So you know, we already have a law on the books and theoretically, and I think thirteen is probably too young to be using these things about parental supervision anyway, but we already have a law on the books that doesn't work. And you know, I just want to remind folks these so called free platforms, right, you are not the customer, you are the

product. They're monetizing your data, and yes, they want to monetize your kids' data. They want to build elaborate osiers about your kids because it not only helps them self stuff to them today, but it helps persuade them and propagandize them into selling them more stuff for their whole life. Speaking, I'm fi something years old, you know, they might have me for another twenty thirty years. They'd have my ten year old for decades and decades and decades

potentially. Well, you were talking about data, and many of them will try and solve our fears by saying this is anonymous data. There's no such thing, is there? There is no such thing, Gary, Jeff. This is a topic I have tried to warn about for a long time, and you know, thankfully there are a lot of very smart people out there who have also been warning about it, including people like MIT. Yeah, I think they might know a thing or two at MIT. There's a famous

study they did and I'll come back to that in a minute. But you know, when you talk to these big tech companies and the data brokers that buy and sell and aggregate this data, right, you know, don't claim, oh, well, you don't have anything to worry about because your data is anonymised, and it's just straight up thees scary Jeff. Now it's privacy. Washington use the term that folks who like to cover their tracks like to

use about other people. It's the bottom line is this, Yes, they can quote anonymize your data by removing certain pieces of information that would make it

obvious who you are. But as several studies have shown, again including a famous one by MIT and this recent blog post from the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which I would encourage everyone to go read because a this is something Electronic Frontier Foundation has been focused on for a very long time, and b they do a very nice job of breaking it down in a way that's easy to understand even if you're not very technical. You know, they show from that they've

reverenced some of these studies. Different studies out there have shown with as little as three or four pieces of information, you can easily be de anonymized and identified from these so called anonymous data sets. And they lay it out for you here. Okay, here's an example. I'm reading straight from this blog post. Again, I encourage people to go find it. It's easy to find. First, think about the number of people that share your specific ZIP

or postal code. Next, think about how many of those people also share your birthday now think about how many people share your exact birthday, zip code and gender. Is it possible in my zip code someone happens to have my birthday and also be mail. Yes, but how many of those people are there? Gary Gifts. Then throw in one more piece of data like you know, hair color or something else you might have picked up. You know, it doesn't take much data. Again, studies have shown this over and

over again. Three or four pieces of data can allow you to de anonymize something and specifically identify someone. So yeah, it's just privacy washing to make you feel better about the fact that these companies are making enormous amounts of money

buying and selling your data. And you and I have talked about the other aspect of this before, which is the government likes to violate your Fourth Amendment rights by then buying this data from private companies so they don't have to get award so you know, and then then you though it locate data from things like your phone and your car easily easy to identify. So yeah, it's the Dave Hatter as always you as as always you. We get fired up

and you get me scared to hell, and then then you leave. This is like great. It's like it's like watch it. It's watch it. It's like watching a horror movie and then having to go to bed by yourself. This is Dave Hander, Thank you. So I got to get back down to the Boker carries yep and shot up mental has for Thanksgiving. Brother, All right, man, happy, happy Thanksgiving again and have a wonderful

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time of year, there's all kinds of holly holiday tournaments. But Dan, I know you got a show tomorrow night, which is, by the way, the busiest bar night of the year. I am a bartender, but I do not work at night, so I'm glad I don't have to deal with those amateurs. So you will be on Tomorrow night from nine to twelve while people are getting absolutely plowed and getting into trouble. So I mean, what have you prepared for the Thanksgiving listening tomorrow night on the biggest party night

of the year. You have a party plan? Well? Yeah, and Gary Jeff. Before we go any further, I just want to say Happy Thanksgiving to you and Happy Thanksgiving to all your listeners. I've heard you say it multiple times that Thanksgiving is your favorite holiday, and I like things.

It probably is my favorite holiday too. We had a little family get together this past weekend and it was it was all the brothers and sisters because on Thanksgiving we're all going a thousand different directions, but we try to get together I mean prior to a Thanksgiving every year, and we were able to pull

it off this year. And you know when you sit down with the turkey and the stuffing and the mashed potatoes and all that stuff, and we sat around and we talked and there wasn't a lot of self being used, and it was it was that kind of thing that that makes me think about what's what's really great about this holiday? And it's family. You know our friend Glenn from Mason who passed away, what is it now, a couple of years I suppose, yeah, I think so. Yeah. But he called

me one night and it was on it was on this night. It was on the Wednesday night before Thanksgiving, and it was late at night and and I thought, man, here we go, you know, because Glenn was always he was always ready locked and loaded and ready to rock, ready to chat. And he called me that night and I said, Glenn, what are you doing? And he was he was preparing a meal for his family that was going to come over that night. And I, well, I

guess the next day actually, because the next day was Thanksgiving Day. And I said, you know, Glen, I said, let's just put our differences aside. Tonight and talk about what really matters. And we talked for about fifteen minutes about family and the importance of that and preparing a meal and the kind of things that he liked to do. And you know, that is where we were able to find common We were able to find common ground on a few items, but that is one area where we really found common

ground. And you know, and when you sit there and talk to someone like that, even though we had some mega battles in the past, we found common ground that night. And it was one of the most memorable conversations I ever had at that radio station on seven hundred WLW talking to Glenn from Mason. Well you know what I had, Dan, I had one or two of those kind of conversations over the years with Glenn, And when I heard of him passing, I did not think about all the vitriol. I

didn't think about the battles. I didn't think about the vehement disagreements. I thought of about those few conversations where Glenn was just a real human being like I was, and we talked on that level. And that's what I still remember about Glenn from Mason when anybody brings him up. So that's that's a

great story, and and that's kind of yeah. I feel like we've sort of crossed the rubicon in our country there, because if these days, if you get into a disagreement with anyone about anything, it seems like there's no coming back from that anymore. We disagree on this issue, and we will never h you know, we will never break bred again, we will never come to a meeting of the minds again. And I think we have really gone too far down that road. So U on Thanksgiving night, I'm gonna,

I'm gonna talk politics. You know, one thing that I'm looking at I was looking at right before you called me, is how Carne John Pierre, the spokesperson you mean, hold on, hold on, you mean the lesbian ramenhead who's the White House Press secretary. You know who I'm talking about. She said, she said that this Thanksgiving, the Thanksgiving meal is going to cost a lot less this year thanks to Joe Biden. And that is an absolute falsehood. And the lies that continue to come from this White House

and this administration are just astounding. And so I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm working on getting our friend e j Antoni from the Heritage Foundation on to break that down for us, because this year's Thanksgiving meal is going to set an all time record high. So well that's the thing they The thing they keep talking about is that turkey's less this year, down from last year.

But anyway, go ahead, but everything. But I was going to say, I know you're providing a meal for your friends, all your friends and anyone who walks off the street at Huddles, which I think is a wonderful thing, and I congratulate you on that, and I just want people to know that you're going to be digging a little bit deeper in your own pockets this year to provide that. So I know other people bring dishes and things

like that, and I think that's a beautiful thing. But you know, Gary, Jeff, that to me, that's that's really what it's all about. Oh yeah, it's totally what it's all about. It's about getting together. And I was we were just earlier this hour. I was talking with Andy Furman, you know, and talking about the three apps of football of

Thanksgiving. You know, it's a family and food and football, And then we thought of all the we thought of all the other fs that go along, including faith, and I finished the conversation by saying, Andy, I thought of another F that I can say on the radio. And he said, oh, oh no, here it comes nice. Here we go f you r M A N. Furman. Furman goes with Thanksgiving too. Do you have do you have any other FS that you can think of, Dan, that would fit? Oh? Now, at don't you're gonna put me

on the spot. I don't know if I'm going to be able to think of anything, but maybe between now and tomorrow night, around this time, I might be able to think of something. Okay, think of some arable FS that go with Thanksgiving besides family, food and football and faith very important, Dan Carroll. Then we're gonna talk or we're gonna talk Thanksgiving. Then we're gonna talk Thanksgiving tomorrow night, all right, Dan Carroll, the midweek

crisis tomorrow night from nine to midnight. And with that, it is time for me to take my leave, and we leave you with the national anthem, the Star Sprangled banner to honor America on seven hundred W l W