11-14-23 The Night Cap with Gary Jeff Walker

I think I'm Gary Jeff Walker, and I think it's just the little past nine on Tuesday night, November fourteenth, twenty twenty three, joining us to start the show. My wife, My wife Christa two point zero. As you know if you've been listening in all the past few weeks, I decided that it would be a good experiment to see how she could pick the NFL game results of each week. And the first week she did really well. Fourteen games, eleven victories, three losses. She picked eleven winners. She

not picking point spreads. My wife is not as sharp. She is a casual football fan, a really big Bengals fan. So she was really big bit disappointed on Sunday with the result of the Texans game because it was one of her losses. So first week eleven and three, the second week not bad, ten and four, just picking games. This week kind of went downhill a little bit, eight and six. Still above five hundred, now, mind you that, But so I decided, let's let's try this experiment.

Let's just play it out to the end of the season. We're into week eleven now of the NFL season, and Chris to two point zero, how are you tonight? Dear, I am doing wonderfully, Thank you. It's tough, tough Bengals pill to swallow this past Sunday, was it not? Oh? I really had to choke that one down, no doubt. All right, Well, let's see, let's see as we look at the

schedule, the schedule for week eleven, let's pick some games. I'll make sure I do a check mark appropriately on top of every team that you select, and I'll have these on file for anyone that wants to go ahead and head to the betting window based on Christa's picks, money line picks, not point spreads of winter and losers in week eleven, and first off, my

dear yours, Cincinnati Bengals are traveling to Baltimore to play the Ravens. And there's all kinds of injuries and just all kinds of swirling doubt in the air. Who do you pick in the Bengals Ravens game for Thursday night? Oh? I hate this, but I'm usually wrong on Thursday, So I'm gonna pick the Ravens. That's right, You've not gotten a Thursday night game pick right? Yet? You're zero to three. No, you didn't go over my pants week so no, no, well you you picked the Panthers,

uh over the Bears. And the Bears, of course won last week, So there you go. So Steelers Browns in in the division in the AFC North, all four teams are playing each other. The Steelers are at the Browns. Who wins Pittsburgh or Cleveland? Yeah, the Steelers. You're having to hold your nose on a lot of these. Okay. The Raiders are traveling to Miami to play the Dolphins. Do the Raiders pull it out on the road or do the Dolphins maintain a victory there at home? It's the

Dolphins fish all right. Bears at the Lions, Bears and Lions and whatever? Oh my, the Chicago Bears at the Detroit Lions. Who wins this game? Christa? Ken? This one is for you. I'm taking the Bears. Oh all right, for our friend Ken, Carly. The Tennessee Titans are on the road playing Jacksonville, playing the Jags. Who wins the game? Nn? I see? Okay. Chargers go to the frozen tundra of lambeau Field to take on the Green Bay Packers. Is it Chargers or

Packers this time around? I'm gonna say Chargers took some extra time with that one. Okay, your Arizona Cardinals. Your Arizona Cardinals, who this past week were one of six teams who eked out a victory at the end of the game on a field goal. They are traveling to Houston, who just beat the hell out of the Bengals Cardinals or Texans Cardinals for those awful Texans Dallas. The Cowboys on the road to play the Carolina Panthers, who are

woeful, who are pitiful? What happens? Yeah, we're going Cowboys. How about them? Cowboys? The Giants are playing the Washington Commanders or Redskins or whatever they're calling them this week. So are you voting? No, I'm not looking for the Redskins. You mean the Commanders. So yeah, so you're picking it. You're picking the Giants to win a game. I'm picking the Giants. Good luck? All right? Uh? Tampa Bay Bucks are playing the San Francisco forty nine ers. Who's the winner here? I

hate it. The Jets play the Buffalo Bills. Ooh go Jets. There you go. You got the multimillion dollar turnover man. Josh Allen quarterbacking the Buffalo Bills. He was at it again last night. Man, that was bad. The Seahawks are on the road in LA to play the Ramshawks Seahawks Vikings, Broncos Broncos Denver Go Denver and Eagles or my Kansas City Chiefs back after the bye week, dude, Chiefs. Yeah good, I'm not good. I won't be. I won't be sleeping with the enemy when I get

home. That way, all right, thank you very much for your picks, and we'll see how you do. You got to improve over last week, right, I know. I don't think I could do much worse. Well, yeah, you could have been sub five hundred. That would have been worse. But all right, yeah you know what, baby, I'll see you when I get home, all right, all right, Tweetie, all right, be careful, take care. Christ to two point zero with her week eleven NFL picks. I hope you were paying attention. It could

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twenty twenty three on seven hundred WLW. Our next guest is a I would say, a poetic patriot, or maybe a patriotic poet, whichever way works. He's also the author of The DNA of Democracy Volume one and Shadows of the Acropolis Volume two, and just some thoughts on where we stand now with America's fledgling democracy. It used to be pretty strong, I think, but today there are all kinds of questions for many of us about where the

country is going. Richard c Lyons, good evening, Welcome to the Nightcap. All great to be with you, Gary, I appreciate it. So how does an American poet take on democracy through these essays that are in these two volumes of books that have just been released, Richard, Well, your intro was perfect. Gary. A number of years ago, like probably most of your audience, I began wondering what was going wrong in the United States of America, why we had a major political party that was not acting in

accordance with our constitution. This goes back to two thousand and eight, to the rise of Barack Obama, when I found the Little Sisters of the Poor being sued by the federal government, the state of Arizona being sued by the federal government and not protecting our common border. I found it was happening when the Tea Party was attacked by the irs. So I had to fundamentally, I had to go back to how our country was actually created, the how

and why behind it, And that's the DNA of democracy. It's all the things that went before our country, as in Greece and Rome, and with the Ten Commandments, and how it formed our constitution and how our country is ideally supposed to function. And I wrote that for any reader, any common reader in your audience. Secondly, I had to go back to how and

why our country has changed. And I found out the change began one hundred years ago during the presidency of Woodrow Wilson, when he put c in our federal government of socialism, with the inner progressive income tax, with the founding of the SEC and things like that, and in inverting the relationship between the federal government and the states. The states are now servants of the federal government.

They're not equal members to our governance. Well. Notably, Woodrow Wilson also had journalist in prison, correct yes, and he was the first to segregate Washington, d C. And there are some accounts that he believed in eugenics, so this is not His philosophy was directly related to the philosophy of Frederick Hagel and his ideal state theory, which also was the basis of socialism, fascism, and communism, and on that basis he created our administrative state,

which since his presidency has been growing exponentially. Well, the Biden administration seems to have doubled down on all of these things that are chinking it away at the foundations of this country, and as far as the unequal tier of justice, unequal tiers of justice rather with the Department of Justice and Homeland Security being used as weapons against people who are not necessarily on the President's side or

the administration side, or the Democrat side. And it's pretty obvious to anyone what's going on with President Trump right now is totally just it's a political hit job and it has nothing to do with justice. That's absolutely correct. I think mister former President Trump has been the most investigated man in human history, non American history, human history, and has to defend him, has had to defend himself, and if they had found anything wrong. Gary, I

think everybody on earth would know it. But because they haven't, they just keep coming up with more charges, and each set of charges is more empty. I mean, this civil case that has nobody who's been injured, I mean that has to take the cake over inflation of values? Yeah, I mean has this ever been I mean at this scale, has this ever been done before in this country where people are taken to task for maybe making mistake

and estimating what their property or their assets are worth. Yeah, but think about how relative that is. That's how they had to work on this. They had to make it a civil case, and they had to A valuation of a property is relative. I can get two banks to give me different valuations today on the same property, and then there's your personal valuation, and

then there might be the valuation of another party that wants to purchase. It's always relative, and so they're taking that bit of information and tailoring it to charges they want to make. So this is like it's like Soviet Russia. I mean, you keep hearing that, but it's true. And it's like the Italy of Benito Mussolini, who recapped all of his political opponents. Show me the man and I'll find a crime. Yeah. And this is all

these different things. Going after the little sisters of the poor, going after the tea Party, Gary, going after Donald Trump. These are all symptoms of a single disease. And it's the advance of socialism in our country. And we're now, as my books try and point out, we're at a y in the road where either the socialists have to hammer us down or we

take back our form of government. Well, and it seems like socialist and Marxists all they understand is just raw power, yes, because nobody voluntarily would live under such a system. So they have to be tyrannical. They have to be able to take your property in mind and give it to their friends

and relatives or persons in their party's how they function. What's frightening about this, Richard, is that if we are to take our country back, it's going to get pretty ugly because the socialist and the Marxists will make it. So guess I agree with that. There are things that can be done,

you know. I think it has to have a strategy that is legislative, that is judicial, that involves the media, where people understand what has happened in the past century, and why we're where we are today, where a country literally is divided by opposing styles of governance. The way the administrative state works is opposite to the way our representative government works. They are not reconcilable.

As it happened, our representative government has just been funneling money into the administrative state, but the administrative state acts by edict, not representative law. Indeed, sadly, so, do you think that the Republicans who do not want Donald Trump to be their banner carrier? Do you think they're delusional at this point with the polling that we've seen. I hope they're delusional, you

know. I was watching the television today to see where the polls were in Iowa, and I just some people don't have a good thing to say about Donald Trump, but he's the only person carrying the banner of conservatism. I mean, half the Republicans do act like Democrats and go along with this march of government growth. But Donald Trump is more akin to Ronald Reagan. And I'm not sure how old you are or whether you remember that Ronald Reagan was

vilified. Ronald Reagan, Ronald Reagan was Ronald Reagan was the first president I voted for first time. I was eligible in nineteen eighty. Yeah, that's funny, me too, Well, we too, exactly so. But then I don't know. You remember Gary, that the center of his party called him an idiot. Yeah, oh yeah, and they fought him tooth and nailed through the whole of his presidence. They said all of the same things they said about Trump. He's going to start World War three. We're going

to be decimated by a nuclear holocaust because of his policies. We won't be respected anywhere, We'll be laughed at around the globe, And exactly the opposite has happened under Joe Biden. Richard, I'm sorry, I'm short on time again. The book is DNA The DNA of Democracy, Volume one, The Shadows of the Acropolis Volume two. Richard c Lyons is the author, and I wish him much success with the books. Oh, thank you very much, Gary, thanks for having me on. You bet, you bet.

It's the nightcap and we'll be right back after news with Dave Hatter. News. Yep, it's the nightcap. Back with you. I have seven hundred WLW Gary, Jeff Walker, and back with us our friend Dave Hatter, the IT guy, doing some tech talk on a Tuesday night, and Dave always sends me fantastic ideas stuff that he is tracking, stories he's found related to well, the world of it, the it world, the Internet world,

you know what I'm talking about. So anyway, one of the stories that really caught my eye and dragged at twelve feet this week Dave was the headline it's perfectly legal for cars to harvest your texts and call logs. Now, I myself do not have Bluetooth hooked up to my car. Am I safe? Is it gonna harvest my text and my call logs because I've got my cell phone with me while I'm driving. Well, here, Jeff, as always, thanks for having me on, and yeah, I think this

is a really important topic on several levels. First off, you and I had the conversation before that we have the federal government regularly violating the Fourth Amendment by buying data from private companies. Right, they don't need a warrant. They can go to Google and now, as we'll see, you can go to your car manufacturer and all kinds of different companies, data brokers, and

so forth. You have access to data that they they want. So this just feeds into that, but I think it's much bigger than most people realize. So before I get specifically into this, most Zilla, the people that make the Firefox browser and other software, recently did a study. They have a great website. I want to put out this. Some people called privacy not Included, and it's all about products and services and so forth out there

that are sucking up enormous amounts of your data. Reminder of folks that if you're not paying with money, you're paying with data. You are the product, not the customer. And you know, they go through an analyze a lot of these things and help you understand it's you're making that kind of trade off, because again, it's not free, right Gary, Jeff. You're paying with your data. And if you understand that and make that choice,

well, okay, that's on you. But I don't think most people really understand just how much data, how detailed the data is, and how widespread that data can become over time as it's bought and sold through different data brokers really is. So if you look at this Mozilla study, they looked at twenty five different car manufacturers, and I would bet you if you and your

listeners go take a look at that. You will be shocked at the amount of data that virtually every major car company is now collecting about you from your car, because all new cars are basically just rolling computers. So now to get back to our specific topic here, there have been several class action lawsuits, most recently in Washington State, where they have a privacy law somewhat similar to the California Consume a Privacy Act. That's one of our big problems.

There's no most states don't have any laws on this. There's no federal standard, so you know, companies can pretty much do whatever they want. And in this case, the most recent case was Honda. They went to court, took Honda to court over the information they were collecting, and it was thrown out because they said there was no harm being done. It's all like theoretical not actual harm. Again, I'm not an attorney. People can decide

for themselves. But the more important part of it, going back to your question, is if you're not plugged into the Bluetooth on your phone or your car, can it sucked up all your information? Well, I'm going to say no, probably not, because if you're just using your phone to the cellular carrier's connection and you don't interface with the car, either by plugging it into a cable in the entertainment center or connecting via Bluetooth, then yet it

shouldn't be able to collect your information. But if you, like most people in newer cars that have this capability, or connecting your phone to that enfotainment center, whether it's Bluetooth or through a cable, unless you've taken some specific precautions which may or may not work fully to limit the amount of information it collects. As you can see from this lawsuit, it's sucking down your text.

It's getting an enormous amount of information about you, and there's really nothing you can do about it, and there's really no way to know what they're doing with it once they have it. So as much as possible, remain unconnected to that crap, is what you're telling me. That's the yeah. I mean, if you have an older car, it's probably not going to have this capability, or we'll have limited capabilities. But there have been plenty

of examples out of there. Gary Jeff were reporters have gone out gone to jump cards and specifically to prove this, bought entertainment centers from red cars and then see what data is on it, and it's text between two spouses. It's all kinds of very sensitive private information. And the bigger thing I want to point out to Sols. I mean, it's one thing to say, oh, okay, it's my car, I'm going to drive us for ten

years. I don't care about that. But if you go rent a car and you plug your phone into that car so that you can make calls and listen to music and send text hands free and all that stuff, it's going to suck all your data down into the entertainment center that little car, and

then who knows who will have access to that where ends up. So even if you don't take anything else away from this conversation, I strongly recommend to people, if you rent a car, or you're in a friend's car, acquaintances, car, colleagues, car, whatever, do not connect your phone to that device unless you know what you're doing. And then even then you may have limited capability to manage the amount of data it's collecting because who knows

where it's going after talking as of this lawsuit? Who knows right talking to Dave hat Ter tonight on the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW Dave. I just saw a promo yesterday on a series that one of the local news stations is

running about being taken hostage by AI. You and I have discussed many times the ability to replicate anyone's voice with just very very little audio, and be able to replicate people's you know, video with their face and the whole thing, and it's just that technology is just really in its infancy right now,

but it is getting better by the day, maybe by the hour. And a woman in the promo for this particular investigative story, I think it was on Local twelve was talking about how she could hear a woman whimpering in the background as she received this phone call from someone who said that they had her sister if she called the police, if she did anything, he would put a bullet in her head. And heard the woman's voice on the phone whimpering

and said, that's my sister. I know my sister. And basically the caller wanted her to pay a certain ransom or whatever, or her sister was going to get shot in the head. Now, if that happened to me, I would say, well, I am calling the place and you might as well go ahead. And shoot her because I don't have a sister. But for the average person, I mean, what do you think you should

do? What should people be aware of in a situation like that, because it's going to pop up more and more often as the artificial intelligence and ability to deep fake continues to improve, almost on a daily basis. I think your hunts is absolutely right, and there's increasing evidence of that. I mean,

you can go right now and do a quick search. Don't use Google these, go start Page or a privacy friendly search engine, and you'll find all kinds of examples of real world scams like what you describe that are taking place as we speak. A New York postess or did a story on this where a woman got a similar call, supposedly her daughter in jail. These fifteen thousand dollars sounded just like her daughter. So I think these scams are

definitely going to increase for two reasons. First Off, most people don't realize that this technology and this capability is really a thing. And secondarily, I don't think most people, even if they do know about it, don't realiz how easily accessible it is to the bad guys. You know, as you mentioned, we've discussed before. Right now, you can go do a search. I can. I have done this. I know from firsthand experience.

It's true. You can go do a search, find a website that will literally cost you nothing, and either train it with a voice, so someone reads a sentence and then it uses them reading that sentence to train their model, or if you have access to their voice, you can upload their voice, train the model, and in less than forty five minutes you will have something that sounds pretty much exactly like that person, especially if you have more

audio to train it on. And people will always say to me Gary Jeff, well, you know I'm not on TV, I'm not a celebrity, how would they get my voice? Well, let's face it, many people use social media and post video and audio themselves online all the time. But even if you say, why don't do any of that stuff? Okay, do you have voicemail? If I call your home phone or your mobile phone

or your work phone, is your voice on the greeting? Because if it is good likelihood, does an enough there that I can train the model? And now I'm view So I think the first thing is to know that this is the thing, and that if you get one of these calls, right,

they're hitting you with a double whammy. First off, they're using the AI to create something that sounds authentic, and secondarily, they're using social engineering to try to catch you off guard, play on your emotions, get you, to put you in a situation that requires some sort of urgent action, and hope that you'll just act on. So you know, to your point, obviously, if you don't have a sister, well you know it's fake,

but you know they're The first step is to know it's real. The second step and you and I have discussed this so many times, where I don't answer phone calls from numbers that don't recognize Yep, I am not going to answer a call from a number I don't recognize. Now, I also

understand it's very easy to spoof a phone number. So if you've been targeted for something like this, could someone do some research and perhaps figure out your daughter's phone number or your mother's phone number or something maybe and then spoot that because it's easy to spoof a phone number as well, so even that is

not fool proof. But don't answer calls from numbers you don't recognize, and then I you know I'm not a law enforcement officer, Nor am I an attorney, But I think you know, as soon as you get this sort of call, you have to just rationally say, there's a ninety nine percent likelihood this is fake. You're going to want to go out of band and try to talk to that person. You know, I would certainly report it

to local law enforcement. But if you whip out a credit card or pay them in any way because of one of these calls, you know, it's ninety nine percent sure you're being scammed. For the average person, what's the likelihood that their daughter suddenly got kidnapped? You know, I don't know what this sure it's pretty low. Well unless you're Liam Neeson and then it's yeah, it's entirely all the time. I mean, if his daughter's not cad

kidnapped, it's a weird day in that guy's life. Just a couple of weeks ago, Dave Batter, just a couple of weeks ago, or within the last couple of weeks. FBI Director Christopher Ray was testifying talking about the danger of cyber attacks against the backdrop of what's going on in the Middle East and Iran's obvious involvement in providing the Islami jihadist with all the materials they need to attack and kill Jews in Israel. But he was talking about the danger

of cyber attacks because of America's stance by Iran. He said, the cyber targeting of American interest and critical infrastructure that we already see conducted by Iran and non state actors alike, we can expect to get worse if the conflict expands. And so this is real US official. We known you and I have talked about We've known it's real for a while and been talking about it.

But now with what's going on with the Israel and the attacks by Hamas and Hezbala and Islami jihad and all through Ara and our continued stance with Israel, it's all the more likely that those nonstate actors that we're talking about and the Iranians with their capabilities, are going to ramp this up. Well, Gary, Jeff, Yeah, we've talked about it off and on for a long time. Anyone that's paying attention to this space is talking about it because our

society is increasingly digital. Right. We just talked about how your car is basically a rolling computer. Even if you could just let's say knock out all the cars from the specific manufacturer through some sort of attack, or turn them into weapons because they would uncontrollably accelerate or something that could cause a lot of damage. But if you could knock out the whole power grid, if you could poison the water supply. And when this sounds crazy to people, look

up the Oldsmore water plant in Florida. Within the last two years, there was an attack on the Oldsmore water plan in Florida. They were able, through theanced cybersecurity practices and so forth, to break into this choice and change the amount of chemicals going into of water. Thankfully it was caught before it was released to the public. But I mean, you know, we're talking about significant impacts on public safety in the physical world. And you know Ray

mentions Iran here's another headline. But I hadn't since you yet. NSA seems pretty stressed about the threat of Chinese tackers in US critical infrastructure. You know, if you work in the business like me, you'll hear the term access of evil basically applied to China, Iran, North Korea, and Russia.

Yep, all four of them have a giant footprint in this space. All four of them obviously are adversaries of the United States in some you know, there was recent story that North Korea they believe is generating about two billion dollars a year that funds their government through cybercrime. But this this critical infrastructure thing. You know, it's one thing to have a business lose a lot of

money or maybe even go out of business because of a cyber attack. I don't know if you talk the recent story about Clorox, you know, big company, they're claiming that the ransomware attack that hit them is actually going to have a material impact on their earnings and on their according to the SEC. So that's a problem. For sure, people lose their jobs, companies go

out of business. But if you can knock out the whole power grid, or demail a train full of chlorine gas, or shut down all the trucks that are bringing the three days worth of food and the supply chain to you, this is a major problem. And you know, I'm happy that the federal government now seems to be taking this seriously and has been warning for a long time, relatively speaking. Anyway, again, this story I just read you for wired, nsay seems pretty stressed about the thread of Chinese hackers.

You know, Iran, China, Russia. These are all known threats. Russia has demonstrated their capabilities in Ukraine long before this current war. They shut the power grid down over there several times. If you go back and look at what we did in Iran with stucks net. Now we've never claimed this, but just for folks, if you don't know, look up stucks net.

It will blow people's minds. As far back as twenty ten, we developed what I would describe as a very advanced virus that we were able to sneak into these facilities where uranium was being enriched, deploy this software into these advanced cinifuges that were refining the uranium, and while the operators thought the machines were operating with intolerance, they were basically ripping themselves to pieces internally, and

the software was telling them everything is okay. I mean, we destroyed, as I understand it, dozens and dozens of centrifuges before they finally figured out what was happening. So when people say this is farfetched, it can't happen, it's already been done. It's been done numerous times. It just hasn't happened to us yet. And you know, the concern that I, like so many people who are worried about this, have is all of this infrastructure

is old. We don't take it seriously. All the technology that makes the Internet work is old. It was built at a time when security wasn't a concern, and now our entire society runs off. So if you think it's far fetched that China or Iran or Russia couldn't potentially knock out the power grid or cast some sort of real world disaster, again, look how many people died and in and that Boapaul incident. When chlorine gas is released, Imagine

derailing a bunch of trains full of chlorine gas. It would kill thousands of people wherever those trains went off the rails. So I don't want to be too doomy on this, Gary, Jeff, but it's a real concern. I'm glad they're trying to make wallmakers aware. And I mean we need to make significant investments in our infrastructure, not only from a cyber perspective, but also backups. I mean, you know, if you knock out the power

generation capability at a substation and there's no equipment to replace it. How long is it going to take before the power comes back off? Right? And you know what we've talked about the dangers of electromagnetic pulse, you know, a kinetic thing, the EMP knocking out everything that is now so connected to the grid, and you know there's no archaic backup to per se to take up the slack of something like that. This is exactly the same kind of

thing, only without EMP. Right, yeah, I mean it's the e MP would theoretically be much more devastating. But you know, depending on how deeply they are into the grid and different power plants and so forth, could you you know, put off something of the same scale or maybe even bigger perhaps d you know, sun spots. There's all kinds of reasons why this is a concern, but when you have them telling you straight up, we got to get these people out of these systems. We have to secure our

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holiday on the calendar by far. And his name is Scott Powell. He is the author of Rediscovering America, was an Amazon number one new release in the American history for eight straight weeks because it reveals God's hand behind the success of the United States, Divine guidance, divine providence, lessons that we can apply now since we have fallen away from God today to save and restore this country. It's a recurring theme on tonight's show. Rediscovering America will surprise you,

delight you, and blow your mind, so says Scott Powell. And here he is with us. Good evening, Scott, how are you. I'm great, Gary, Jeff, and it's so nice to be with you. I tell you you've got the WLW IS is the greatest station in all of America. So and in the book Rediscovering America. We've talked about it so many times and are again tonight. In relation to Thanksgiving, do you say there are five tenants that make Thanksgiving and make it special and make it

crucial, integrat integral. Yeah. Yeah, to the foundation and the continuance of the greatness of America. So let's start. Well, I really, first of all, let me tell the audience that Thanksgiving is just one segment out of the Pilgrim story. So we're going to talk about the Pilgrim story and why it's so significant to our founding and really to the development of our

country. But what is there are five elements. The first element and that makes makes the Pilgrims a unique group is they were the first of many groups of settlers who came to America, but they were the only group that was singularly motivated by a vitual quest for religious freedom, you know, one that

had its origin with the Protestant Reformation century before. But what's interesting too, is that it reminds us of our Jewish heritage because it was it was William Bradford was the hent of the group, and he repeatedly spoke about their voyage to the New World in terms of a flight from tyranny to freedom, comparing themselves to God's chosen people, the Israelites who overcame slavery and abuse in Egypt to get to the Promised Land. And as a matter of fact, William

Bradford wrote the first twenty pages of his diary that basically tells the Pilgrim story in the Hebrew language. In other words, he was an Englishman. His natural tongue and writing is in English, and yet he chose to write it in Hebrew. Very profound. We have this, you know, we have this Jewish Raeic heritage as well as the Christian heritage. So but the Pilgrims were a group of people that had been disaffected from the Church of England.

You know, there was a there was sort of political influence in the church and some residual influence of Catholicism, which you know, which was the Church of England was formed out of the government seizure of all the Catholic cathedrals and churches and say you're no longer, this is no longer a Catholic church. This is the Church of England. So there was a lot of carreo of

Catholicism in that in that process, and the Pilgrims didn't like that. These were these were god fearing people who wanted to live their lives according to the Bible as they understood it, and it was that that motivated them to ultimately come to the New World. They had to flee Great Britain and they went to Holland for about eleven years because they were being persecuted in England, and

so they settled in Holland. But then they were worried about their kids that were growing up because you know, Holland was, you know, kind of a liberal, socially liberal place, and so they felt, you know, they really wanted They'd heard about the success, the final success of the sixteen seven sixteen oh nine colony in Jamestown, and then they heard that they could get a charter to go to the New World, that is to say, they could get sponsorship and investors to buy a ship and enable them to get

there, and they chose to do it. So so it was that they acquired the Mayfelour Mayflower was their ship was a ninety four foot ship, a very questionable seaworthiness, and were not for their faith and determination to find freedom of conscience and live according to their biblical police. There probably would never have been a July High Fourth or Independence Day or subsequent American holidays, because it was really they really created the foundation for what happened in America, much more

so than Jamestown. Jamestown was a colony of all men. So if you have all men, there's no procreation, there's no longevity to that colony. But the Pilgrims came over as families with children, and they were committed to the Christian family life. So they had a harrying passage across the Atlantic, you know, one in which they were in one gale where there was broadside batterings by gail force wind so ferocious that the seas caused a splitting of the

ship's main beam. Well you know, it's the main beam going right down the middle of the ship, and it split. And luckily among the Pilgrims was a builder who had brought along a what's known as a house jack that would help jack up heavy beams for like, you know, the top beam of a one story structure or the floor of a two story structure. And they quickly grabbed that house jack and got it under the crack beam and raised it up, you know, all the men shoulders, shoulders cranked that thing

and got it all the way back up into place. That that that house jack stayed in place for the rest of the voyage because it was holding the ship together. So that just gives you an idea of what they went through.

But when they the problem was that they the territory they were given was in the Virginia Colony, which was the north part of the Virginia Colony, which was the northern part of which was really at the mouth of the Hudson River, so it would have been in New Jersey that they were supposed to go to. But the bad weather, the storms blew them off course.

They couldn't go against the currents around Cape Cod, so they ended up deciding that they were going to try to find, you know, fertile land and water and settle in mass Chusetts. But they, of course they didn't know

where they where they were or or where they were going. And it turns out that the non Tilgrims, because the Mayflower had one hundred and two passengers, about three fifths of them were were Christian Pilgrims, if you will, and the balance were crewmen, some craftsmen like John Alden who was a cooper, Miles Standish who was a military leader protected who was hired to protect the

you know, the Pilgrims. And so the the non Christians were very anxious when they were thrown off course and their food was running out and spoiling, and they were and they were kind of they were they were on the verge of mutiny. And so the Pilgrim leaders decided, hey, we need we've got to stay together. We're going into territory that we don't know what we're

going to encounter. We need to write up a compact where we keep watch each other's back and we make all decisions about the welfare of the community together in a democratic fashion. We vote on everything. Transparency in voting was really the essence of the Mayflower Compact. All the men signed it. It sort of quelled that rebellion. They settled in Plymouth, Massachusetts, both the believers, the Pilgrims and the non believers. They settled and lived communally. So

there was that Mayflower Compact. So the first point is that they had a spiritual quest. The second that's unique about the Pilgrims. The second thing that was unique about the Pilgrims was that they agreed to form a pack. The Mayflower Compact was really in some ways it laid the cornerstone of the US Constitution, which would be drafted you know, one hundred and seventy years later, right, yeah, so, well, you know, Scott, Scott.

It also points out that for that compact to work, the elections had to be, as you said, transparent, so everybody knew where everybody stood, and there was no hmning or haueing or hedging on that particular election. Correct, that's right, Yeah, all right, so please, So I'll tell you. I'll tell you a cute story about the ship itself. The ship they acquired was a used ship, and it was a ship that was used.

It was a merchants shoes that was used for transportation of wine and port between you know, the wine growing territories of France and Spain and England and that. So the ship had a sweet smell from all the decks of the ship, and there were only three decks being slashed and disinfected with you know, with wine that had come out of broken barrels in the storms, you know, the barrels break and the wine would slash through the whole boat.

So it had a sweet smell and it's believed that it disinfected the whole ship and lo and behold, no one died on that ship a crossing the Atlantic. So it's kind of an interesting story. So anyway, they arrived,

They finally arrived after the Mayflower Compact. They arrived in Plymouth, Massachusetts, and God would have it that there were two Indians there attached to the the tribe there who could speak broken English, Squanto and Samoset, and that really enabled the Pilgrims to communicate with the authorities, you know, like Massasoyat who was the chief, the chief Soakham of the Wampanoaic tribe. And so the second the third thing, So the second thing is the foundation for self government

may felcom. The third thing that the that the Pilgrims accomplished that no one else did, was they sign a lasting peace treaty with Massasoya And this was you know, a major achievement and it lasted fifty years where they lived in harmony and peace. And then go moving on to the to the to the fourth thing that was accomplished, which is more tied to the actual Thanksgiving fees. You see, they were told by the Virginia Company how to do things.

And one of the things they said, you when you you know, when you grow things, you're going to live communally and you're going to share the harvest equally. And so that's what they did. They were told to do that. They follow the directions from the Virginia Company management. And so they they grew all the food communally, no private plots, but all communally. And of course what happened there was that didn't work out too well.

You know that the yields from their communal harvesting were not that great. As a matter of fact, William Bradford recorded in his memoirs that while quote slackers showed up late for work, everybody was happy to claim their equals share and production direction, which the and the production only shrank because you know, not everyone really it's communal. Probably no one really cares about. It's the fable of the grasshopper in the ant, isn't it. That's right, That's right.

So what happened was down their first Thanksgiving. So now we're in the Thanksgiving story. This is their first harvest, and it was a meager harvest because of the collective farming. The output was really meager because it was their first year and they're learning about the different crops on how to do it.

And it was really the Indians that helped them. But they when they decided that they wanted to give thanks to God after their first harvest, they also wanted to include the Indians, the Wampanog, the Massasoy and his Indians. And they're only about at this point because because the first winner was so brutal, they lost almost half the the uh, the pilgrims. It was very

you know, it's really really sad what happened. The first winner was devastating and half the pilgrims died, including four entire families of pilgrims died that first winter. So so that first so they that that first Thanksgiving was a matter of giving thanks that those who survived had survived. Even though the harvest was meager, they wanted to give thanks for it, and they invited the Indians to come in and they assumed that, well, there's only forty of us.

Now we've lost twenty people and the you know, you know, through the first winter that mass Sud's not going to bring probably about about as many. Well mass SuDS showed up with over one hundred one hundred Indians, and the good news was that they brought a lot of food five deer, you know, foul fish. I mean, they brought enough food for a three

day feast. So the first Thanksgiving was a three day feast with the Indians, and they not only gave thanks but they had a bit of a celebration and punctuated by Indian song and games and dance and pilgrim prayers and even a military parade by Miles Standish. That's great, all right, So yeah, get to the fifth tenant of okay story. The fourth tenant comes out of that meager harvest because they decided to follow the same pattern for the next year.

So the second season was also meager harvest. And it was at that point that William Bradford Governor Bradford just in u quoting him, he said, the system of collective farming was found to breach such confusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. So in sixteen twenty three he abandoned that, he scrapped the socialist farming, and he parceled out the land gave private plots to all the family and they became much more

productive thereafter. So that was the fourth thing. And the last thing was that distinguished the Pilgrims was that they were very oriented not just around sacrifice, but service and taking care of other people. Massassiliot fell ill and was on his deathbed, and the Pilgrims heard about it, and senior Pilgrim helder Edwin Wislow, who was gifted with natural herbs and natural medicines as well as being a pastor, one of the senior elders, he went, he took a

forty mine i'll trip to to find Massassoia. Whereupon he you know, he administered medicinal broths and natural herves and prayers and astonishingly mess made made a full recovery. Was been dazed, and he remarked, he remarked to Wednesday. So now I see the English are my friends and love me, and whilst

I live, I will never forget the kindness they have showed me. So that's the fifth point was that the story of the Pilgrims is one of taking care of other people, love and service to others, and so it's it's a it's an amazing story that goes way beyond just the feast of thanks. Yeah, there's there's a reason I love that holiday. And there are five more reasons I love it even more. Scott Powell, Thank you, Rediscovering

America. Get the book. It's a great Christmas gift if you haven't done all your shop and yet, look for Rediscovering America for the young person in your life or just for you because it will be edifying and it's so educational. And yeah to go to Amazon because you can read the reviews. You know, the reviews can help you, you know, make a decision. Hey, this is this worth you know, worth buying. And it's it's actually a reduced price now because it's been about eighteen months and the Amazon is

good about bringing prices down. So really great great value. Now, Thanks, have a blessing Thanksgiving. Thank you so much. It's the nightcap Scott Powell. There amazing, powerful stuff. Seven hundred WLW. There's a perplexing question I've been wrestling with. When does lack become love? When does something

you enjoy becomes something you can't live without? I may never know the answer, but I do know I love listening to Bill Cunningham Bill Cunningham tomorrow at twelve noon on seven hundred W L W l W bringing back an old friend. We's much younger than I am, but old as in we started talking. Geez must have been four or five years ago at least and has been a regular over time, intermittently a guest on the show. He wears many hats, among them recently a new dad, which I'm sure is the one

he's proudest of. But he has a new baby out his book, and he and I talked about this and it was going to be a book about something else entirely about two or three years ago, and he changed direction, and finally it is released. The author of America's Last Stand, Will You Vote to Save or Destroy America? In twenty twenty four, Drew Thomas Allen Drew, how are you. I'm good. It's wonderful to be with my good friend. Yeah, it's great to have you back again. And you

know you're on the side of this. We work for this public relations firm, so you're hawking other people's books all the time. You get a chance to actually talk about your own. Finally, Noah, what was the book originally going to be? About well, it was a little bit broader in scope, it was a little more academic. It was going to be called American Renaissance, and it was about how we need to return to the founding principles to save the country. And there's stuff that's in that that I can

repurpose. I'll use it for another book that will be important too. But I just realized that this moment in history that we're in, facing the twenty twenty four presidential election, it's an inflection point that has the gravity and weight

of the American Revolution and the Civil War. This is the third major test we have faced, I believe sincerely, as a people, as a citizenry, and it was incumbent upon me to write something to try and persuade as many people as possible to one acknowledge the seriousnature of this situation, understand our place and history and what we can do to defend the country. To rally people around a book. You know, there's so much propaganda out there in

different sets of facts. Now we have a hard time communicating because we live in different worlds. So this helps us get on the same page. And of course this makes the definitive case to reject Biden or whatever Democrat they put in there at the last minute and to reelect Donald Trump. You know, in one of the chapters, for example, ask a very simple question. And I appeal to all types of people in this book. It's not just

for conservatives. I hope that liberals, people that are waking up will read this book or be given this book by somebody and say, hey, just read this. Let's talk about this. You know, I'm not mean in the book. You know I have the facts. But I asked the question. Reagan he during that one and only debate with Jimmy Carter, he looked into the camera and he said, are you better off today than you were four years ago? And it was a resounding known and he was elected in

a landslide. Well, we have a unique situation here that even Reagan couldn't couldn't say because he hadn't been president yet. We've lived under Trump, we've lived under Bidom. Are you better off under bottom than you were under Trump? It's that simple. The only people that are better off today than they were three years ago at this point, Drew are lobbyists and some well placed, high placed Democrats and the communist Chinese. They would answer that they are

way better off than they were under Donald Trump. So would say Vladimir Putin. Remember all of the hullabulu about Trump, He's a Putin operative, He's a Putin puppet who's been a Putin puppet more than the current president Joe Biden. You know, everything that they told us about Donald Trump's presidency has come to fruition under the Biden presidency and under the leadership of the Democrat Party in

the executive branch and in one branch of the legislature. And we have seen how those lies have helped further take us down the road to our demise. And when you you asked the question will you vote to save or destroy America? A lot of people apparently have voted to destroy America because maybe that's what

they really want. It's it's hard to separate people that are stupid and people that are just plain evil in this Yeah, yeah, you know, this is a little bit off topic, but it's just something that I've been thinking about. Obviously, you know, we've seen the left's control of the media diminish. You know, they don't have a monopoly anymore, and arguably they're far more options and conservative media now than there are on the liberal side.

The liberals, the left still owns you know, cable news. We still have you know, Fox News, whether you like it or not anymore these days. But we're actually at a little bit of a disadvantage, I would say, because the the media on the left, those cable networks, heving, they work lock steps with the Democrat Party to deliver messaging that is like a sniper rifle, and we fire buckshot because you know, look, I mean this not just because I'm your friend, but you're such a talent and

your messaging is so powerful. But there are a lot of selfish people on our side that are looking for clickbait, and there are conspiracy theories that are true. But we have people that are just competing for viewers and everything else to an extent on our side, where we're not on the same page, We're not focused. We're always distracted on different issues. And it's not that some of them aren't important. But you know, the left has an advantage

because they really focus people's attention and control them. You know, we're not looking to control, but I think it hurts us sometimes. No, and you nailed it. There are many people in the media who just want the glory for themselves and to get it any way they possibly can. When I got into this business in nineteen eighty, I was a nineteen year old kid. I got into it to meet girls and have fun and make a little

bit of a living doing something that I enjoyed. And at this point, it's like, I feel like the messaging and the people that I bring to the four really could make a difference in changing and saving this country. And that's what I believe your book is all about, Drew. You know, we were told that twenty sixteen was such a crucial election, and then twenty twenty was such a crucial election. It's not that they weren't, but we

are. We are at the point where if it doesn't happen, if the country does not turn around in the next election in November of next year, it's completely gone. I agree, Yeah, those are the stakes. And you know, you know I wrote this book, like you know, Thomas Paine's Common Sense had a very specific purpose, which was to pay the American people. I mean, well they were Americans, but the American colonists to

support the American revolution and their fight for freedom. And that's what this book is in our time twenty twenty four, you know, addressing the same situation, you know, at a different time, and trying to make those arguments and persuasions. And look, my message in the book is not pessimistic though. I mean, I say, you know, we're the patriots of twenty four, just as Lincoln refer to the patriots of seventy six, you know,

the Founding fathers and American revolutionaries, George Washington. We are the patriots of twenty four, and we have an opportunity to defend our nation. We have a duty and obligation to do it. And so let's just accept that it's hard. You know, I'm sorry that it's difficult. I'm sorry these things are happening right now. I'm sure all of us would prefer to get a better night's sleep and not have to worry. But it comes when it

comes, and we are capable of meeting the challenge. We just have to accept it and dig deep, and we can lean on the memories, resurrect the memories of our ancestors who have done the same thing. We can do it. And so that's my message too, is I believe in the American people, America's last stand will you vote to save or destroy America? In twenty twenty four of the author Drew Thomas Allen, my friend, thank you

so much. How is the baby. The baby's amazing. About seven months now, a little over seven months, and she's getting ready of crawl. She's babbling and man, it's the joy of my life is being a father. Yeah. The babbling is going to be even more fun when she starts completing full sentences and demands things talking back. Yep, all right, buddy, have a fantastic rest of the week and great success with this book. Thank you, Gary, Jeff, you got it. Drew Allen with us

on the nightcap. Reverend Jim C. Hardin joins us next. There are a few things more wonderful in life than intimacy. But when a rectile dysfunction harms intimacy, it can have devastating effects on a relationship. This is Jeff

for Tri State Men's Health, and I want you to know. For the rest of this power, we joined Reverend James C. Harden, who's the CEO of something called Compass Care. There are a set of pro life pregnancy centers that pregnancy crisis centers that are you know, life focused to try and help women keep their babies and not abort them. And he joined us just before the vote on Issue one and joins us now in the aftermath. Reverend Harden, it's great to have you back on the Nightcap. It's honored to

it's an honor to be here. Thanks for having me. You bet, I wanted to talk about because people cite, you know, isolated incidents like Eric Rudolph, for example, the guy who famously was convicted of bombing an abortion center. The pro choice or the pro abortion side always claims that we radicals on the writers so violent, you know that, you know how we're

such hipoc rits. Went In fact, uh, the fire bombings and and the violence against pregnancy centers like the ones that you represent are the victims of the most violent kind of crime. And it doesn't surprise me because you know, if abortion is the culture of death, then they certainly have no problem with violence against living people. Your thoughts, Yeah, you're exactly right.

The fact of the matter is a year ago, in front of under Oath, in front of the Center Homeland Security Committee, Christopher Ray, the director be FBI, was asked by Senator Rick Scott of Florida about the FBI, the parent abdication of their duty to investigate this violence against pro life entity that you're describing, like like the fire bombing of Compass Cares Buffal office, which was mentioned at this Home Security Committee hearing. And Ray responded, and he

intentionally engaged. I believe in misdirection by fabricating a comparative percentage of investigations split between pro life and pro abortion violence, which implies, of course, that there's violence emitting from the pro life movement. That that it's a lie. And I said, under oath, this, Christopher Ray, under oath lied

by perpetrating this, this, this, this false percentage. And he said this, this is this is a quote from him, he said, when he was asked about it, he said, well, probably in the neighborhood of seventy percent of our abortion related violence cases or threats are where the victims

are pro life organizations. But when I when I heard that, I was I just I mean, my Paul went to my head and I was like, man, this is a smoke screen designed to make it appear that the FBI's investigative resources are being deployed in an impartial manner, which they're not. I mean, the the a truly you know, kind of honest FBI director would have would have would have said something very different, because what he did was he padded those numbers. I did the math, went back back in

back last year. I did the math, and he padded those numbers in terms of abortion related crimes with twenty six trumped up indictments of closed cases of peaceful pro life people under the pretense of Face Act violations. This is like Mark Hawk, for example, and they did a rash of the DJ did a rash of arrests, essentially conflating all these peaceful protests from pro lifers with with with with the violence being perpetrated against pro life entities like Compass Care.

And there was ninety nine cases that I found. Seventy three of them were actual violence against premiancy centers, and the remainder were these peaceful pro lifers that were made to look like violent aggressors by the FBI. As a matter of fact, So if no honestaff the director was said something like, well, nearly one hundred percent of all abortion related violence is against proecte organizations, that's

what he should have said, but he didn't. Why because he wants to promote a narrative along with Merrick Garland, his boss, and Joe Biden, his boss, that that there is this evil, violent pro life community out there seemed to destroy people, which is absolutely counterintuitive because pro life people are the ones that believe that all people are made in the names of God and therefore equally valuable deserving a protection. True pro life people don't go around,

you know, killing people. And the abortion industry, by the way, is the most violent industry on the face of the planet. With that's what they do for a living. Yeah, that's that's how they make their money. That's what they do for a living. That's what they live for,

is to kill people. And you know, I was looking at the actual numbers of of support, the monetary donations, the financial contributions that led to Issue once passage in Ohio, and there was a local news or here highlighting that the Cincinnati Arts Diocese spent one point seven million dollars to vote no on Issue one, and the arch Diocese of Cleveland spent another million dollars. And just awful how these religious institutions were spending money to tell people to vote no

on Issue one. Fifty eight million dollars was spent on the pro on the Yes issue one side. Fifty million of that came from out of the state of Ohio. So it's fifty so we are our continarian versus tenion. Yeah, all right, Our constitution was changed in the state of Ohio by outside people outside the state of Ohio. What could be their possible motivation? Follow the money, That's what I say. The abortion industry gets pro abortion politicians

reelected. If people think that for abortion politicians care about women, or care about reproductive choice, will care about access to medical care, think again, what they care about is getting power. They want to get and maintain power, and the abortion industry does that for them. I mean being outspent five to one or almost six to one, you know, in terms of dollars, and a lot of that coming from New York State. I apologize because I'm sitting in New York State right now. You know, is how they

get How they get these things past. They drum up their base by by promoting propaganda and lives they're saying. And with these with the fifty eight million dollars, they got people so so ginned up with fear because they were telling them that, Oh, if Republicans have their way, they're going to you know, you know, bar women from getting contraception. They're going to let women die in the operating table for miscarriages. They're going to send women to

jail for getting abortions. These are the kinds of lives that they propagate. Of course, nobody says this, and nobody nobody, nobody's trying to accomplish these things. But they say as if it's true, and uh, we need to refute, not not just refute the propaganda and the lies with it, we need to refute refute it with the truth. The truth is that a Democrat pro abortion democrat has never met an abortion they don't love. And people's in the pudding. Just look at Issue one in Ohio. It's abortion

for all my months of pregnancy. Yeah, and reverend, I'm sorry, our time's up. Give give your website out for your group real quickly. Yeah, go to Compasscare Community dot com. It's Compasscarecommunity dot com. Reverend James Harden from Compass Care with us. And this is an issue that is not going away anytime soon. Seven hundred w l W. I'm seven hundred w l W always a pleasure. L Yeah, okay, it's always a pleasure to have our next guest is a regular contributor, and I couldn't do

the show without him. I really couldn't. There's there's no way, there's no way why that anybody could replace the fur ball and even and I know why you do this, You're trying to set me up kill even get it by now, I do. Even in the midst of the chaos of everyday life, he is always a steady rock, someone you know you can always count on to be there when needed and coming to my rescue once again tonight to save the program, the one and the only Andy Fern. How old

did I appreciate? Look, I'm doing well. I mean basically, I'm here because I have nothing better to do. But it's okay, No, I appreciate it, appreciate the opportunity to vent the times that to have this little forum with you once a week on the big one, which is great. And I just realized, you know, it's a pretty creative name that you got for the shows, the Nightcap, because basically during the day you kind of at times double dip as a you know, a guy who serves

cocktails to people so that night kept. I like that. I like it a lot. Well, I am the king of branding, there's no questions and ruler of nothing. So I wanted to ask you said something very interesting there at the beginning, and it was about how you you have nothing better to do, if you had, if you had, if you had something better to do, what would be better to do than talking with me? And I want you to come up with an answer. I don't want to

say, Oh no, I was kidding. I didn't mean anything. Nothing would be better than talking to you Gary, Jeff, I don't want to hear that garbage. Andy. What would be better than talking to me? Right now? Andy? Getting in my cargo over a white castles, getting a sack of white castles, baby and some onion chips. Perhaps I don't know, so I rate I rate below fast food, oh big time?

Oh yes, what else any fast food? Going to the Cytuni Athletic Club and taking a Schwitz, which is going in the steam room, relaxing and maybe taking a shave there as well. I enjoyed that, I really do taking a shave. What what what do you? I heard this fitz you said after the Fitz you're going to take a shave. You're you're in the steam room. I mean you shave yourself, don't you? Or someone coming shaving? Yes? Of course I do myself, Yes, shave myself.

And where would you shave yourself? Then about in the steam room? You could do that? You just know where on your body would you be shaving? Is this like shave? You talking about? Uh? The regular? Oh okay, I mean I thought maybe you were getting ready for you for your only fans page, maybe getting yourself balded up a little bit, if you know what I mean. Yeah, let's move on to something better.

So you're frustrated by you're frustrated by Bengals fans or by the team, Mandy, you know, I'm frustrated by the fans because they turned They're like, it's like a snake, they turn on you like, and I'm hearing stories. I'm hearing various talk show hosts on radio. Not to mention the names, because I'm out here to start a war. That's not me. I'm not that way. But I listen and digest, and I listen what they have to say. And now they're saying, lou Anon, rumo, here's

the guy room with the coach the next six teams in the NFL. Look at his defense? Are you kidding me? I mean, one game, It's amazing how they turn on people and look, is it the coach's fault? Is it the player's faul? Lack of personnel? Yeah, and then it's Sam Hubbard, I mean, Hendrickson's heard. I get it. I mean, and it's somewhat embarrassing that a team like the Houston Texans really poor as far as running the football. What they did. They ran rough shots

over the Bengals on Sunday. But maybe that happens at times. Maybe that's just the way it is. I saw what Buffalo did on Monday night. They stuck up the joints as well. But you know, when you talk about great defensive coordinators and they put the statue up already at Paul Brown Stadium or Bay Horse Dating, whatever you want to call it, they put the statue or flow on a rumo. What have happened to dick lebou? How quickly we forget? How quickly we forget dick Lebau. I got a memory

like a tank. I don't forget great players and great coaches, and Dick Lebou is one of them. And speaking of great coaches, how quickly they're forgetting in New England with Bill Belichick has accomplished because now the rumors are that they may want them to step down. Oh my goodness, really I want to work for that guy. Robert Kramp if he paid me a brings truck full of money is humiliating Bill Belichick in public as well. How is he

humiliating him? I haven't seen that. Now he's saying that we're not good. We may have to make a change. Maybe the team has been tuned out by Bill Belichick. The guy is the greatest coach ever, the national football is ever. We all we all come to the end of our usefulness. Andy Bill Belichick may have got to that fork in the road where it's you know, it's time to say Cyinario and Syonara, super Bowls, all these wonderful, wonderful, deserving laudits that he has earned, he has earned

and been given over the course of his career. But maybe it's time to go. I don't think it's gonna tell you what. Honestly, he's not gonna go because he was twenty one wins. Shy of the old time win Walker three twenty one of coach Don Shula, delay Don Shula, the Miami Doglas, and he's not going to go until he breaks that redk if that's number one, and I think he's at the end of the rope. It's not that goes to him. It's because this guy mac Jones can't play the

position of quarterback. That's why he said at the end of the rope. But I will tell you this much. Should he step down, and I hopefully it don't fire him, hoping they give the respect of let him to just walk away, Believe me, he'll get gobbled up by teams like the Los Angeles Chargers or others. Believe me. Well, you mentioned the Buffalo Bills and that disaster, and that that is a disaster, that that is a house fire, that is you know, spreading to other houses in the

neighborhood. And it all revolves around the multimillion the multimillion dollar turnover man, Josh Allen. That guy cannot keep hold of the ball. I mean, he may be amazingly talented at one stroke and he's he's shown those signs before, but he is an amazingly just a beleaguered well person when it comes to look to take him care of the football. Yeah, he's a turnover machine. He's dangerous with his feet. But look, I'm one of the few

people. I'm not gonna pat myself with a battlers who listens to me anyway. You know, no one ever did, no one ever will. But I knew this for a fact that you cannot win a National Football League with an unbalanced offense. And they never had a running game. They never did, and to some extent it's showing its ugly face now with the Cincinnati Bengals. You have to have a compatible running game with the passing game, not a fifty to fifty offense, maybe sixty forty. And they don't have that.

They don't. They're relying on the passing game with Joe Burrow. When I get it, it's a great, great passer threading the needle. But it just can't be Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. You're not going to win with just two guys. Everybody has to be involved in the offense. Yeah, and it's not unless it's any Bengals. If Tyler Boyd ever wanted to be a primary receiver in this league, he may have proven why he is not on Sunday. Just well, he also proved that he can't be a

waiter in Jeff Ruby's restaurant because he probably would drop the trays. Blieve me, you've got some bad hands, right well, I mean he certainly did on Sunday totally catchable balls. And you know, not just the drop touchdown pass that would have been a touchdown and probably given the Bengals the game, but to at least two other blatant, blaring occasions where the ball was perfectly

delivered by Burrow and Boyd just couldn't come up with it. Well, look, far be it for me to really rag on the guy, because the next catch im make in the National Football League will be my first. I never was there, I never played the game, so it's very difficult for me to say should he should he not have. But as a viewer, as a spectator, as a consumer of the sport I'm watching that, I watched replays, he should have caught it. I mean, the guy's a

pro. He should have caught it. I believe he probably not. Out of ten times he would have caught that. For whatever the reason did he stopped short. He pulled his hands into soon I don't know. Maybe he heard footsteps behind him. I can't explain why why he didn't catch it. But the thing that really bothered me more than anything else after the game, they refused to talk to the reporters. It wasn't his fault. They lost. The game was a combination of many things. His myth, his drop

was one factor of why they possibly lost the game. But he didn't lose it because of him. He asked for him to sit there at his locker and not show up or talk to the media. That's pretty weak. Hey, Andy Furmer, let's talk about the bright spot on the other side of the line there in that game Sunday. CJ. Stroud is for real? Yeah, oh my goodness. You know, not only is his name being tossed out as Rookie of the Year Offensive Rookie of the Year, his name

right now is being tossed out as MVP. Bit about that. His name should be in the conversation for MVP. What do you do with that ball club? They're five and four. No one expected that team do in five games this year with a new coach, and what they did last year, well, I mean tremendous. Look I get it. There wasn't that much pressure on them. But right now, if the NFL with the end today, they're a playoff team and the Bengals aren't, no doubt about it,

no doubt a wildcard. So you were mentioning that you had some technical problems at your home studio on Sunday and uh oh man, and then you pegged it to a possible power surge in your neighborhood there. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I will tell you this much. It's the second power search I've had, like in two months, and they came early Sunday morning and it just goes out for like a second. The lights go out to

go right back on again. So when I came back on, when they came back on, I lost my internet connection and that was the end of that. As far as my show on Fox Sports Radio, which you can hear on Sunday mornings on Serious XM channel eighty three, Yeah, enterteen sixty am in Cincinnatis, unless the power serve happens and then nobody can hear anything, or or unless you're in Columbus and they replace your program with religious programming. Do you think that's not true? Because I have I have a co

host Bucky Brooks, who played in the NFL. He was still talking. Oh, I mean the show goes on, you know, just you as a co host cannot be heard. I was dead by wires, just shot. No internet, so for me, it was no internet connection. Well, it seems rather strange. It seems rather strange that no one else is talking about these just random fantom power surges. Do you think that's not true? My next door neighbor I checked it for I got off the ara of

some days. But it's and she had a power surge. All right, neighborhood. Do you think it's it's pro hamas terrorist Andy targeting you? No, I did not, but I will pay you this much. I want to commend the great people at all Fiber because I called my guys at Alta Fiber and they were at my house at two o'clock that afternoon on a Sunday. Think about that. That's unreal. And they and they told me that hey, there has nothing to do. You did nothing to cause this.

And as they entered my home they told me they saw an Alti Fiber truck down the street. So it must have been something that affected the own electric which I have own electric and own electric be I guess the own electric tank, whatever the heck it is, was hit by the surge and that's why everything went dark for a second, and Alta Fiber was here. I fixed it and I'm good to go. Now. Let me let me ask you don't worry about me that much? Please? No, Yeah, you know

I am. I am a full supporter of Israel and Jews. So and I'm I'm proud to say that I'm not I want to go down that road. I don't want to go down that road. I really don't. Well, I can't even watch the news anymore. You didn't. You didn't go down that road. I did. And I'm a proud supporter of Israel and Jewish people everywhere, Andy and I, and I'm not afraid to s I'm going to go one step further. I'm a proud supporter of everybody. I

love everybody. I don't have hate in my system to us, there's certain people. I mean it may sound that way when I talk sports, because you know, I hate when my team loses the team that I root for. But it's not a visual it's not a vicious hate. It's not a hatred that I want to kill. So I don't understand the whole situation. While one individual from one race or religion or nationality can hate another one, I don't understand. Why why you you don't? I know? I do

not hate anyone. I don't hate any specific race because there's only one race, There's the human race. And I don't care who instills that, who instills that to somebody to make somebody hey, I'll give you another paper. I have never seen the country, this country in such a worse state than I have over the last several years. I'll give you an example. I

was watching the news, I think it was last night. Got a lunatic up there in Westchester and he if forty three year old gentleman didn't didn't catch the name. He's throwing nails on I seventy five to give people flats? Are you kidding me? What? What would make you want to have the urge to do that? They caught the guy, They said he was doing it back in May, and they finally caught What would make you want to do that? Really? You go door to door and give away food to

people that need food or shirt or clothing this time of year. Sure, and they shouldn't even arrest him or give me He should be gone to an institution or give away or give away nails to people door to door so they can go do its bidding, does Jeorge? You know? But I'm saying that they could probably arrest him and he'll be back on the street in six months, three months, whatever it may be. Not arrest the guy, he should be in a mental institution because the normal person doesn't do things like

that. And then I heard another story. This was recently, may have heard this one. Somebody dropped the bowling ball from a bridge into someone's car the front windshield and killed somebody. Oh yeah, why why? And who? What would give? People? There are all kinds of crazy people out there. You just happened to be one of them. Andy, I would never I mean, you know, you called me crazy at something. I would never even oh no, no, do something like that. There are

different there are different levels of crazy. Andy, You're you're at a friendly crazy. That's danger crazy. You're not danger crazy. You're you're you're friendly crazy. We I mean, I've done crazy things, you're you know in my promotional background, but it didn't hurt anybody, made people laugh, If anything, at that fire when they did backfire myself. You're Andy, You're You're Andy, the friendly fur Ball, and I'm so glad to call you my friend. And thanks for being on the show. We got to go.

Oh boy, I gotta wait another seven days. Huh yeah, I'll be back all right, Thank you so much. Take care brother, And that's the that's the fur ball right there on the night cap on seven hundred w l W minutes time Friend. After sandwich, It's time for chester shead cheese. Chester's head cheese is packed with choice chunks of brain, eye, ear, and flesh. Chester's heead cheese the perfect choice for listening to Eddie and Rocky. Head cheese is an excellent source of antioxidants. Eddie and Rocky

are an excellent source for local issues. One of the kind of interviews had fun times Eddie and Rockey mar Afternoon at three on seven hundred WL do. They say imitation is the greatest form of flattery, but imitations might not be so great when it comes to your health. Putting the wraps on his cap with one of our favorites, a guy who is still trying to convince me to do the cold Plunge, which I haven't yet. Maybe he's got a portable pool he can pack me in with some ice to shock my system.

He has an interesting to say the least takes on wellness and training, and he is absolutely one of the pre eminent ones in the business, at least locally and soon to be nationally across the country. In fact, he is traveling across the country all the time for spartan races where he helps people recover from the incredible pounding they put themselves through with some of these competitions. He is the one and only, as I call him, the first Dawn of

fitness. Rocco Costelano trained with Roco dot com, the man behind Rosanna Wellness, and he joins us as our guest on this nightcap as we close out, Roco, how are we man? Hey? Gary Jeff? Hey, you know what I do? Have a portable I could bring one, you know, right up to the studio whenever you want. I can pull water in it and we can put ice, and we can we can do Gary

Jeff Walker co plunging live on the radio. If you are up to oh, I've got actually two different or or you or you know what we what we might do not that we might we might not do that too, Rocko. Is what I'm thinking, Well, it's always a thought. Yes, it's it's a thought that I seldom have, but you obviously have entertained in your mind hundreds of times. Uh so, absolutely so I wanted to get to you just kind of off the fitness subject just for a moment, But

it is. It does have to do with parental fitness and mental fitness, and and it relates to kids, specifically your kids. You've got a boy and a girl and they were enrolled in a pretty pretty nice price, supposedly nice private school, but you had to pull them out. Can you go through the story of what happened with your children at this this hoity toity private school. You had the man, well, well, the hoity toy a

private school was it was called a Mercy Montessori. It's a Catholic a Montessori school, and and I love other Montessori way of teaching, and so we

thought that that other Montessori away would be good. And so when we when we came to Cincinnati, we decided that we wanted a more Christian based a Montessori because we had done that Luma and and we thought that, oh, okay, well let's go to a Catholic school where there wouldn't be any of of the bs that we've seen in the public book schools and the now private

schools. So we go there and we and we love the school. We really like everything that that the school are represented on the surface, right, and that's a that's a big that's a big a distinction because on the surface, everything looks wonderful. But then all of a sudden, we I started noticing different things like that they have a Catholic school has a diversity equity, inclusion and belonging uh director and then also also a committee. And so I

was like, well, a diversity. You know, if it's if it's a real diversity, that's a good thing. But if it's if it's a diversity for diversity's sake, it's not a good thing, right, And so so I wanted to look more into it. My business got got the best of me a little bit, so I couldn't really dive into it. But I definitely want a parents to start looking in to where they're sending their children. That's that's why I'm even talking about it, because if the school does

not does not go with your core values or your values. You need to pull them out. Yeah, what did you What did you find that was objectionable to you and your family's values that your kids you felt like your kids

are being taught at this Mercy Montssori. Yeah, so objection It wasn't totally objectionable, but I saw things that were just not right in the and in what I thought that the Catholic faith was because I grew up in the Catholic faith, right, and so, and then I became a more Christian and and what I saw was they were leaning very very heavy onto the lgbt q A community. And they were and and I'm not saying that we shouldn't tolerate

or be or allow people into into, you know, our community. I just didn't think that everything should be in your face, right, I'm not well, right, Roco? First, how old are your children? They're eight and they're six. Okay, this is this is the point. Eight and six year olds do not need to be exposed to every alternative lifestyle that people define for themselves. They at that age, they just don't that this is the problem, the sexualization of children, even by the teaching of acceptance

of lgbt Q I A E I E IO stuff is ridiculous. That's why the drag queens, and that's why the drag queen's story hours you've heard about in public libraries and in public schools are so reprehensible. But you figure it a private Catholic or Christian school, this would not be an issue, and yet you say it was well, and it was. And what got me started on this whole thing was I got I got an email from a gym teacher who who had a preferred pronouns in his in the email, and I

was very I was very shocked because no other there I got. I got so many emails from the principal, from the kids, teachers and you know, and everyone else in between, and I never saw any preferred gender pronouns and that. And so I went and I emailed the principal and I asked her to explain what I just saw and and and I screenshoted it. I said it to her, and she she was very upfront, and she said that the Sisters of Mercy, who who sponsor the the school UH wants wants

everyone to be accepting of the lgbt Q UH. You know, a community and and we have to be very tolerant. And that's why they have the a diverse that was the reason why they had the diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging to a committee and and uh and a director. And I was like, well, diversity is a big thing. Equity is another whole, big, crazy thing that we could talk about, inclusion and belonging. It's not just the lgbt Q. So when you start bringing that that into it,

and and I'm and I'm you know, I'm not homophobic. I'm not, but I am gonna say that I do not believe in in a transgenderism. I will never believe this. And you could call me transphobic or whatever you want to call me. The thing is is that this has gone to a level, uh that that is not acceptable, Absolutely not acceptable. I would agree, I would agree with you wholeheartedly. Uh. There are only two sexes. Okay, there's male and there's female. There's xx, there's

x Y, and you can't ever change that. So the delusion, the delusion that you can change your gender because of the way you feel is total crap. You know it, and I know it. They know it, but they still promote it. Well, well, because there's a lot of money. You know, it's a money grib. It's not even a you know, uh, it's not something that science could even want to go after

because there is nothing uh in science that that says. And then and then the idiots there will absolutely say, well, well you're not a biology. Well you know what, you don't have to be, like the woman said, you don't have to be a vet to know what a dog is, right. And so so when when we've done, you know, when I went to them and I I I explained what was happening. I'm asking And here is where I had the actual problem is I asked, where does this

end? Okay, is a gender pronouns or? And I said, where does it end? Will boys be allowed that identify as girls be allowed in in girls' bathrooms? Are they going to be allowed to play on girls' teams? And I never got the answer. I never got an answer from the principle, they couldn't tell you definitively whether that's that was the case or not. They couldn't say absolutely not, that's that's ludicrous, there's no way,

right, but they could. They couldn't tell you, So you pulled your kids out your homeschool and your kids, right, I said, well, yeah, well, if you're not gonna get if you can't give me a definition or a defined line that you you will not cross, I can't allow my children to be to go into a school where down the road they may be having this type and and and people don't understand how dangerous this really is. And they just say, well, you're you're you know, you're just

a conflating thing. You're making stuff up. It's no children should be exposed to any of this. And to normalize it and to have have a six year old asking me why why does that? Why does that boy address up like a girl? And why does that girl want to be a man and and try to go appear And here's something that I really want to address when it comes to this, And Joe Rogan said this on a on a podcast.

He asked his guest and and this is the defining thing. If you are a girl, right, if you feel like you're a girl, why then do you need to take hormones in order to be that gender? Right? Why? Because if, if, and if you believe in God, and this is something that that's very relevant here with a Catholic school. If you believe in God, you then believe that God doesn't make mistakes. So now you're telling me that God now makes mistakes, and I'm going to tell

you that that as as a Christian, he doesn't. So when you're trying to push back on me, there is no way that that's going to happen. So raku, I gotta I gotta know, I gotta know. How is the homeschooling going so far? Oh? I got to tell you something. It's literally the greatest thing. And well, after this, you know, after this interview, I'm going to be working with my son and my daughter. Actually, I feel that more parents should really think and not be

selfish. I think that sending your kids to priorate to to school and and I just I just found this out. I'm a newbie in the in this whole thing, but I feel like it's selfish sending your your children to have somebody else teach it so that you're not you're not so called burden. I want to tell you something. I want to be burdened now. I want

that burden of and that responsibility of teaching my son and my daughter. I teach math, I teach science, I teach uh, like a bunch of the language arts like reading, comprehension and and all that, because I'm a good writer, but so so I feel, and I'd noticed that there was a lot of gaps. Now, even though a mercy Mom sorry is a so called good school, I found gaps, and I found those gaps. I was. I was a little horrified and appalled. But I now know,

well I can sell them. You know, I can fix those gays. I can literally fill fill those gays. I could fix them. And and I had way more one on one time with my children, and now I'm I'm I'm now responsible for the education of my child. Plus you know exactly what your kids are being taught. Roco Costelano, it's a pleasure to have you on any program. Have a fantastic Thanksgiving. I know you're you're probably taking a trip. I hope you're all safe and have a great time,

and we'll talk to you when you get back. How about that. Thank you, Gary, Jeff, You're always You're always awesome man. Thank you. All right, take care. We'll be back to close this nightcap in minutes on seven hundred w l W HI. Mike mcconough, May I can but in countless hours to give you a time not show each and every morning. Now, if you happen to miss the show, you're gonna miss some of that top notch neists and we can't have that. So catch what

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