10-3-23 The Night Cap with Gary Jeff Walker

I'm down getting ready to bring you what I hope is something you really enjoy. It's either the sixth or seventh year of me doing Monday and Tuesday nights at least from nine to midnight here on the Nation station. And I am proud and humble to be welcomed back again. And I hope you enjoy what we've got planned for you tonight. To give you a little hints our first

guests tonight was the first guest on my very first nightcap. Here's a clue done out there with the bases loaded, the outfield deeping around toward right of the one oh. On the way to the play, swan On Bright felt, yes, this one belongs to the Reds. How many times in his long, illustrious career did he say that? Marty Brennaman, the Hall of Famer, joins us in just moments as we kick off the nightcap. Also, Jay Armstrong, my friends stand up comedian, the vape King of Northern

Kentucky, will be here. Dave had he with an I report and the latest and the greatest, and what you need to look out for online and in social media and what the chat GBT robots have in store for you. If you're not careful watch out. Karen Cataline, a fan favorite and a favorite of mine, will join us too, Opine, and we haven't to have a chance to chat for a while, so I'm looking forward to that.

The Furball, Andy Furman. And also in just a little while from the state of Kentucky, the Commonwealth, wonderful lady with a finger on the pulse as the gubernatorial election is right around the corner in Kentucky and her thoughts

on the legislature and what's ahead and the election coming up. Savannah Maddox on the slate for tonight's Nightcap, we'll get underway with the Hall of Famer Marty Brennaman coming up next on seven hundred Wlwke mcconnelld You just want to sing along with this musical jam, don't you, Mike, Mike, Mike, the same way you want to start your day with me, Mike McConnell. It's

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first guest on this nightcap. It was my very first guest on my very first night cap on seven hundred w l w LO those many years ago, and he is back with us tonight. He's been graciously enough to agree to give me a few minutes, give us a few minutes. Marty brennaman Baseball Hall of Famer from the Ford See Frick Wing of the Baseball Hall of Fame and your former voice of the Rids, and now a world traveler, taking more road trips than he did when he was being paid for. I think,

Marty, how are you? I'm good, Gary Japp, Nice to be with you, and uh yeah, I would say, maybe not quite as much traveling as I used to do, but the places I go in a general sort of way are much more appealing than where I was traveling during baseball. Oh, you're telling me now, now, where's your next trip? If you can divulge this, you're getting ready to go on a next week. We're gonna sail out of Boston up the New England coast and into Nova Scotia on a week long cruise. Now, that is one that is

one good time of the year. That is one destination that I would I would leave the country for. I've always been kind of interested in the Maritimes and you know those northern Canadian provinces out on the ocean, like Nova Scotia. So yeah, I could get along with that. But no, that's that's better than a trip to Old Candlestick, Parker, Chevez, Ravine or any of those other Burgh Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Yeah,

it's a little bit better than that. So what was what was the one redeeming If you could pick one redeeming thing about Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, what would it have been one thing? Oh boy, that's a great question. You know what. I'm at a lost for words. I can't remember one redeeming feature that immediately comes to mind about Pittsburgh. The ballpark. Well, the ballpark would be that's one of the best ballparks in Major League Baseball. The

locale of it across the river looking in onto the Pittsburgh skyline. That that's one of the better ballparks in baseball. They did a great job building that park, and oftentimes location is everything, and their location is spectacular because you're looking at the skyline of Pittsburgh for nightball games, which is pretty impressive. Now, did you fly into Pittsburgh out of here or did you ever drive the drive to do a game in Pittsburgh or a series? I think I

think I drove once or twice, whatever the cause was. I know I drove at least once into Pittsburgh when we played there, and that was years ago. And the drive is, uh, you know, the boy is a drive, boring drive from here to Columbus and then over and the drive is nothing to write home about. But most of the time we would fly in there without the question. The Pennsylvania Interstate system, what there is of it, is awful with my limited exposure to driving in the state of Pennsylvania.

So I guess now you're you're doing all these things he said you can't let the grass grow under your feet. Is that is that Amanda's doing or you are doing? I know you want to go to a lot of these places, but how much is she prodding you to always be on the road traveling? This is what I want to know. Well, as I said one time during a REDS broadcast years ago that in a previous life Amanda had been the driving an eighteen wheel or over the road as a vocation. And

amazingly, there were people who took me seriously. They thought I was being serious. But if there's such a thing as you know, as a previous life, it would not surprise me if I had access to information that would lead me to believe without any question that that's what her occupation was. She loves to travel, she loves to plan travel. She's the one that plans all these trips that we take, and she'll sit for hours with her computer in front of her plotting, you know, where are we going to fly

to? In fact, we're planning a trip now right now into into Switzerland and Germany next July. And she's planning now because we're going to add to

the trip. The trip is into Switzerland, but we're going to add a week on to that to go to Switzerland Germany rather, because Amanda was born on a military base in in Germany, and so we're going to go back and see the house that her mom and dad lived, and her dad was in the service at the time and she's making plans now to drive from Zurich to to Munich and to Berlin and to Frankfurt, and she's in her element when she's doing all this stuff. Well, there's nothing like going back to

the place where you were born, you your place of oregy. Yeah, I like to say. You know, my wife and I took a trip two years ago to Mount Pleasant, Iowa, of all places, and I told her we were going to Iowa on our vacation. Said, Iowa, really, And I said, yeah, we have relatives there, we had a free place to stay. She wound up having one of the best vacations of her life in Southeast Iowa. And I just I instantly felt at home, even though I didn't live there longer than about two or three months,

and always had revives there folks there. But it was a great trip. But again, that's very important going back to where you came from originally. I think that's cool. Correct, Yeah, switch gears here a little bit. Well, just one more question about traveling. Is part of your endorsement deal, do you get to take lots of Laura's lean beef with you? No, that would not travel well going to Europe as we have done.

Twice already this summer, and when once there last year, you would have a hard time finding a cool or with the staying power that would allow us to take Laura's lean beef with us across the pond and the places that we traveled too. But that's a good thought. We'll investigate that down the road and see if that's doable. Is a Manda the cook or are you the cook? Marty? Oh, a man, there's a cook. My specialty is grilling. I do a pretty good job of grilling meat on the grill,

and that's what I'm basically confined to. I love to do it, but I'm the chief cook and my wife is the bottle washer at home. But she makes She makes incredible liver and onions with gravy, and I've never had anybody who did it as well as as Chris to two point zero. So God bless her indeed every single day. Marty Branham and our guest on the Nightcap here on seven d WLW. Let me ask you about the legalized sports betting which is now everywhere. I mean, it's yes, ubiquitous across

the country, with more and more states now finally allowing it. How do you think that has changed the game, if at all, because there's always been betting, there's always been gambling on professional sports and com sports, and now that it's out in the open, do you think this is better or do you think it's just too much? Well, I think it's I think the option of being in the open and not being in the open or legal and illegal. I think it's always better to have something in the open.

And obviously all these companies that are are fueling the train, so to speak, are spending multitudes of millions of dollars to promote their particular company and their product and and such as that. But in terms of whether or not it's changed the game as far as baseball is concerned, and I watched a lot on TV this summer watching the Redge play, I don't. I don't see it. I don't see any change in the game. I don't think it's

affected the way the game is being played. I think the players and the game itself real that we can't allow this to affect the game. And then let the betters, whoever they might be, and how heavily they are into it, do what they have to do now that they can do it. In front of God in the world. There may be those who disagree with me in terms of whether it's impacted the way the game has played. And when I say game, I include football and basketball and what little I know

of ice hockey and at all the rest of them. But I you know, if you're going to legalize it, then legalize it. And that's exactly

what they've done. And even though they're what you said, nineteen states now that have legalized it, I think it's just a matter of time before more and more fallen into line, because I was just thinking about the comparison between Ohio and Kentucky when Kentucky didn't have it, in Ohio did, and the amount of money that probably the state government in Kentucky have come to realize how it's negatively impacted their economy when you know their people are betting in Ohio and

taking that money out of what could be Kentucky money. Sure, and so I think that's going to be the thing that really dictates down the road how these states are going to ultimately vote whether or not to keep it the way it is or to make it legal within the confines of their state. Well baseball specifically, just with the history of of gambling and baseball, and of course Pete Rose, and you look at characters like Denny McClain and all the

others who were involved in gambling while they were playing the game. We're managing the game, and you think about the relationship that started with the Black Socks series and that death penalty and Major League Baseball for gambling, and now the NFL is having to come out with new rules and regulations for players, you know, gambling on games and the like. But there's always been a chance for gambling to influence the outcome of games, especially illegal gambling when it was,

you know, underneath the cover of darkness. So I don't know that it's the optimum thing, but it is certainly better, as you mentioned, to have it in the sunlight as opposed to in the back alleys, in the back rooms, in the dark. As far as gambling, people are, people are gonna gamble, people are gonna gamble regardless. Yeah, I

don't, I don't. I agree with you. I think that's the reason why we are where we are now, with these companies spending millions of dollars advertising on local television and radio and network TV, to the extent that they're

doing it because there always will be people gambling. But I think I think as far and I can't answer for football and the rest of them, but I think as far as baseball is concerned, I think that it's pretty much hit home to players in our game that if they're ever caught doing what Pete did, they stand a real good chance of being banned for life. And I'm not conversing on what the particular rules are might be that would involve NFL

players or NBA players in basketball. I can remember years ago when Paul Horning and Alex Carris were suspended I think for one season, ye because they bet on NFL football games. This goes way back, but that was the extent

of it. They were allowed then to come back and play and be members in good standing of the National Football League from what I saw, so I don't know whether I'm sorry from what I saw in the NFL just this past weekend they came down with a ruling and I think it's a two year suspension if you're caught, you know, violating the regulations as it pertains to gambling and the like. Real quick, Marty, I is it enough that this Red's team, this young Red's team this year was fun to watch and exciting

to watch or will the fans demand playoffs next year? And should they? I think it was fun to watch. I think they were a very exciting young team to watch play baseball. The way they round the bases and I think they led the league in stolen bases. They were aggressive, they had great chemistry, they legitimately loved each other, and let's face it, they were too young to realize what pressure was all about. Now they've played through

that, I think fans are going to be fans. I think fans are going to expect two and twenty four to be better than two thousand and twenty three, and better would be making the postseason. Nick Crawl and his baseball people, I think have some work to do, because I don't think you can stand pat with this club and expect this team well to and expect to say, well, you know, they one year under their belt, so they automatically are going to be better next year. There are a lot of

things that come into play that you have no way of forecasting. So I think there are things they need to do to tweak this club and make it a better club. But I definitely think that the fans are going to be their expectations are going to be greater at going into twenty twenty four as a

result of what this team did this season. Well, you can't. I don't think you can really deal away the important young cogs who the Reds you know, obviously don't have to pay the kind of salary that say, they'd have to pay a Joey Vado, for example, And I think it's important for them to keep intact as many of those young players, those exciting young players, as possible, don't you, Oh yeah, I don't. I

think there are certain in touchables among the young players. If I had to categorize from my perspective, I'd say Matt McClain, Alie Dela Cruz, probably Spencer Steer for my money, in not counting the pictures, but I think, I think that I think that there are some of the young guys that may not be here next year. The easy route, although the more expensive route, would be to go out and sign a picture in the free agent market, a veteran. My my feeling is a priority for this team.

Number one is to go out and sign or trade for a BOTA five veteran picture. With a good track record, been around the block, knows what it's all about, has good help, and also has been a great influence on young players in the clubhouse, specifically young pitchers. I think they need a veteran in that rotation. They don't need to open twenty twenty four five youngsters. I just don't think that works if you're going to be serious about

making the postseason. In our last few seconds, Smarty Brennaman, just give me top of your head, instant kind of word association answer. Joey Votto's done, yes or no? For me, I'd say yeah, probably, Okay, all right, Marty Brennaman, have a wonderful trip with Amanda to Nova Scotia. That sounds wonderful, and continue to enjoy life. You definitely deserve that opportunity now that you're Freda, Gary Jeff move about the room. You're a good man. I appreciate the time and joy always being with you.

Pal. Thank you so much that Marty Brennaman on the first nightcap of the season, and we'll continue in moments on seven joining us on the program. Now here in our first hour is somebody that is You've been a great, great guest in the past, and we were looking forward to the new fall season. And I saw her over the weekend at receptions in Erlanger for the Northern Kentucky's Right to Life fifty years celebration of Life, along with many

many other people there. But always a delight to have her at our disposal for great information about the machinations and what's going on in the legislature in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Savannah Mattocks from the sixty first District, welcome back to

the Nightcap. Well, thank you day Josh. It's always a pleasure to be on and it was the first time we got to meet in person, even though we felt like we knew each other, you know from all of our conversations that we've had over the telephone, but it was it was nice to meet you, and my wife was really taken with you too as we

sat there and enjoyed an incredible presentation by Kristin Hawkins. I mean, it is so important for people to understand the good work that you guys did in the legislature with in regards to reserving and protecting life, especially the unborn in Kentucky, and that fight is going on right now in the state of Ohio via a ballot issue that it will be on the ballot in just a little over a month from now, issue one, which basically would change the Ohio

Constitution and say, yeah, abortions on demand whenever you want, up until and including the moment of birth. So which is pretty horrendous if you think about it. It's horrendous even if you don't think about it. But just

your thoughts on the presentation on Sunday, what do you think? Yeah, as a lawmaker, you know, I've always considered it my foremost responsibility, you know, given that I believe that the natural right to life, it's name ter protecting that, to stand up and speak for those who can't yet speak for themselves. And I think that post Row, we have entered into an era where it is not as politically expedient for politicians to try to run

on that issue or to garner support. So there's been a certain level of compromise and I am concerned about that, and I think it's more important than ever than we stand up and stand firm on principle on that issue. Well, we have also now sports betting legal in the state of Kentucky, and people are doing that. Where did you come down on that issue when that

was being debated and then voted on Savannah. Yeah, So, you know, although I'm not someone who gambles myself, I don't think that it's the appropriate role of government to tell people what they can do with the money that they've earned. It's bad enough that we're breaking in so much taxpayer dollars against citizens will I just didn't think it was the proper role of government to say

that you couldn't engage in that type of activity. Although I, like I said, I don't choose the gable myself, don't think it's a good use at my resources, but for other folks, you know, if we're talking about protecting life, liberty, and property, I don't see that that fits the bill. No, I would agree with you. Also, I know that there are people that we know who were in vehement disagreement with us. We're still friends, but that's the way it goes sometimes with these different Mariatta

issues. And so the other elephant in the room I've got to talk to you about a little bit, if you will, is the upcoming gubernatorial election. This is this is this is coming down. We're just a month away November seventh, Andy Basher running for reelection, the incumbent against Daniel Cameron, the Attorney General. And it seems to me like I just haven't heard a

whole lot about this, uh, this race at all. I get my flyers in the mailbox, and those two absolutely no good for them wasting campaigns, wasting money on flyers for me. I mean, obviously they don't know where I am. They haven't been tracking me as much as I thought they were. But I mean, it's a waste of money. I've already made up my mind. I am not voting for a return of four years for

the boy dictator is what I called it. Many Bashir is strictly based on the COVID lockdowns and the mandates and all of the restrictions of constitutional freedoms that he thought he had the power to take away from the citizenry. So but I think a lot of people have forgotten that now people have short term memory

loss, don't you think. Well, normally I would say that all eyes are on the gubernatorial race, but you know, it seems as though it has primarily been the political class that has been engaging in discussions and robust conversations about this particular race, but you know, perhaps a little bit closer to time, because you know, Kentucky is one of I believe only three states that has that off year odd election, you know, being in twenty twenty

three versus you know, when the other races are taking place for Congress or their presidential race so forth, so on our local races. But so I think maybe a little bit closer to time, and you know, Daniel Cameron, our Attorney General, has had some grounds to make up all along, because it's difficult to run against an incumbent governor who you know, at one

point inexplicably, unbelievably was the fifth most popular governor in the nation. So I think that, you know, ultimately, this has been a moment of you know, coming together in unification for the political class side of the Republican Party to say, we've got to get this job done. We've got to make up ground in the polls. And I think that there's a lot going

on at the macro level with the Republican Party as well. We see what's happening in Washington, DC here just a little bit of time, as far as I'm aware, they're going to be taking a very significant vote with regard to the motion of actes the chair. And you know, issues that we've seen here in the Commonwealth as well. We have a growing supermajority that whenever I first came in, there were only sixty one of us. Now there are eighty of us. So you have a lot of Republicans, but you

have various permutations of folks that may see differently on issues. And you know, I have always kind of been somewhat of a lightning rod because I consider myself to be a constitutional conservative, and those are the folks I want to work with. Those are the voices that I want to uplift. So it's it's going to be interesting to see what we look like going into twenty twenty

four, not just here in the Commonwealth, but across the nation. So with a supermajority, as you mentioned in both the House and the Senate, in the Kentucky legislature, Savannah does the governor does who owns the governor's seat in Frankfort, How much does it really matter? If you've got the supermajorities acting in concert, we have the ability to override anything that the governor vetos. The two major areas that it matters the most is the administrative states.

That's bureaucracy of folks that are appointed by the sitting governor, and because we are a part time legislature, they have a disproportionate amount of power over the lives of Kentuckians. You know, I am hopeful that if we manage to elect a Republican governor that they will reign in that nebulous web of bureaucracy. But I also think that there is a certain level of peril if we do manage to elect a Republican and they become a rubber stamp for some of the

bad ideas that's coming out of the legislature. That that is a concern of mine, you know, on things like tax reform proposals, and you know, other types of bills that have been filed frankly by Republicans, you know, such as red flag laws. If we have a Republican governor that coalesces with that supermajority on key issues, then you know, we could well set back to the constitutional conservative efforts by ten years. So I think it's really

important that we stick to our principles and stand our ground. Yep. And you've always been very very consistent about that in every conversation you and I have had and the way you have acted as a legislator in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. And I appreciate your time on this first nightcap of the fall season. All is a pleasure. Savannah Mattics from sixty first District in the House of Representatives in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Thank you so much. That's Savannah Mattics

on the Nightcap. Our friend Rocco Costallano is next with suggestions to help Joe Burrow heal. Mike mcconald, here was something for you to think about. If you miss my show, you can listen to the Mike McConnell podcast on the iHeartRadio app and catch what you missed. However, if the sharks and eat your foot, that foot's gone forever. So take my advice, listen to the Mike McConnell podcast and stay out of the ocean. All right.

As we continue, the Bengals thirty first in offense in the NFL after four games, their defense giving up bo way too many yards and Joe Burrows standing in the pocket like a statue because of the ongoing calf injury, and it just doesn't seem to be getting better as he continues to play on it, and to maybe have some some other kind of answers or suggestions for Joe Burrow's

rehab. We have our friend Rocco Costaguano train was Roco dot com. He's a fitness expert of biohacker and and he knows a lot about the body. So, Roco, what about Joe Burrow's body more specifically is calf and what do you think is being done correctly and what do you think is being done incorrectly as it comes to Joe Burrow's health as a football quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals. Well, I don't know what they're doing actually, because it's it's

obviously not getting better. So and we deal with a lot of a different you know issues specifically a lower a body at a Rizana Wellness and at Tremolock. We we are consistently looking at injuries especially and you know, I would really want somebody else to be asking our discustions or or I'm just gonna put it out there. Is this really a Grade one calf strain? Or is it something else that the Bengals are keeping from us? Because we paid Joe.

We're paying Joe a lot of money to be on that field. No, hold on, Rocco, are you personally paying Joe a lot of money to be on that field? No, I'm not. But Joe, us as fans and us as a people stand and when you buy a ticket, you're paying to see him actually play. So I would want him to be as healthy as a humanly possible, and I want to know what they are specifically doing to hope to repair a very simple I mean a grade one capstrain. Is it may be irritable, but it's not it's not a big injury.

And if he's not able to get back on that lay or or or or move forward, there's something they're absolutely not doing. And you know, and there's so many innovative things. I still think that the Bengals are back in the eighties and you you know, are using old technology and old techniques.

Uh, when they're trying to fix these these injuries, because he'd not fixed and this should have been done really, you know at least okay, okay, weeks ago, Okay, Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you, Rocco for eight Yeah, for a level one calf injury, calf strain. What would you be doing at Rosanna wellness to resolve this? And you say it should have been it should have been better, and he should have been one hundred percent two weeks ago, what would you have done.

Well, You'll never be one hundred percent during the season. It's impossible to be one hundred per sect. I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna say that he should be out out there, you know, being being yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, he is your birth but he would be dancid or whatever, right, And so I would first things first I wanted I would be I would I would be pumping him full of of of a of a molecule called a glutifying and a glutifying is is what's

called the master antioxidant. So it's it's it's what we produce in our bodies to repair cell damage, to repair tissue damage, right, And so that that would be one of the first things that I would be advising him to do. The second thing is that I know that the Bengals don't have a PEMF a machine, a pulse electromagnetic field a therapy a machine. Because I'm

the only one in the tri state area that actually has one. I would have him down here every single day, probably twice a day, or or I would be going to him at least once once a day for a session and doing a PEMF and and then the other the other thing. I would be doing a red light therapy every single day, and and he would be wearing it in a portable fashion. Well, what was what is what hold

on? What is red light therapy? So red light therapy, UH, depending on it's it's photo by io a modulation, so a red light therapy. Depending on the wavelength that you're using, either either a red light or near infrared. UH, it will be going in a it can go up to two point five centimeters to a little bit more into the skin, into the muscle, into the tissue, and it literally helps to heal. We

don't allow ourselves enough light exposure. So when you use a red light therapy or or a nearer infred therapy, it's it's going to help your collagen a production, so so a connective tissue U. It helps with a blood circulation, it helps to get a toxins out of the area. So you know there's there's innovative modalities out there PEMF. Uh you know, a red light therapy. We have a cold plunge. You know, he could be doing you know ice bes right, which is going to help with with that inflammation,

with the healing. The PEMF does the exact same stuff, and then and then I would be doing a compression. I would absolutely be doing We don't, we do not know, we don't. We don't have privy to know if the Bengals medical staff are doing all these things. But if they're not, well, you heard it. He at least three of them. So I mean, let's let's get let's let's get Joe Borrow healthy. Go to train with Rocco dot com and ask some pertinent questions. Reporters, ask

some questions. Rocco, thank you, Thank you, Rocco Costellano. On the nightcap, we'll be right back on seven hundred W l W LW and really it wouldn't be tuesday. Our next guest who has uh you know, have been lightened up to radio dial in and around Cincinnati now for a good thirty forty years. I mean, he's he's just too long to say it's for too long. It's not for too long. It's perfect and I what do you say that if it's Tuesday, it's going to be me. I'm

always on Mondays with you. Now it's Tuesday. First of all, you don't even get it because I don't know the list. How you work back to back days in your life? Well, I know the last time I worked back to back days in my life. It was before the red season, right, you know, which which has just concluded. Do you have any final just kind of post mortems on the baseball season that was in Cincinnati.

I mean, obviously they went over two million fans in attendance, so there were people at the ballpark, they had other places to go, unlike what Phil Castellini said, but people still showed up because of the excitement of the young talent and the fact that this ball club was well not in the

playoffs, very very fun to watch. And you cannot deny that, Andy, and the fact that this is a Reds town, you know, being a beginning to and and it's a Reds town no matter what happens to the Bengals ORFC Cincinnati or you see, Zavid, this is a Reds town. It's a baseball town, always has been. Hell. Look, when you have sad times, sour times, downtimes. People don't go. It's tough. You know, what's an expensive deal to take a family to a ball

game. I don't care what ball game you're going through. So you want to see a good product. And this year they put out a good product. They were close, but no cigars. I talked to to Marty Brennaman earlier tonight, Andy, and he said it was so exciting, so fun to watch he almost unretired. Do you believe that? I don't believe that for a minute. He loves retirement. Really, he says, what sign out of the country than in the country. I know. I just talked

to him earlier. He and he and Amanda are going to Nova Scotia. They're taking a cruise to Nova Scotia next week. How about that. I'm sure it's free, but that's okay. What do you mean you sure it's free? But that's part of the gift that he had when they retired, that Marty Brennaman day thing at the ballpark and a get like ten thousand dollars worth of travel deals from some agency. I think he did. Oh, they've they've exhausted, they've run through that. Believe me as much as I

don't. I don't know as much as they traveled. So when do you think that you would retire anytime soon? Andy? I mean you're still You're working like a dog at the Point Arc and doing that wonderful work with that great organization. You still yet he got an op ed in the Cincinnati Inquirer once in a while they still print your stuff, and you got you got one in too. Didn't you just just today really want Kenny Anderson recently? You know that he should be in the Hall of Fame. Nah, you

know what. To me, it's a hobby. I enjoyed doing that stuff. I enjoyed work. You know what. I think that when you stopped working, you become old. I really believe that, and your brain turns to mush. You know, I'm fortunate. I'm lucky. I got my sens I got. My mind is still operating, and I think that as long as you work is going to operate. I enjoy doing it, but I didn't like doing it. I wouldn't continue working. I do some stories

with another Kentucky tribune. I got the point. I write twice a week with the Brooklyn Daily Eagle. So I keep busy. I really do. Maybe sometimes a little too busy, but but I enjoy it. My days go fast. I enjoyed getting up in the morning knowing I got a list of things to do. I love that. Yeah, you told me earlier before we started this conversation, when we were just you know, hooking up, that you were really tired. You've been really busy, just really pounding

the boot up early today. You know, I got up five thirty in the morning, and uh, I couldn't sleep. I had a whole lot of things on my plate that I'm running around and I think I'm tired because I don't need anything yet today. I just had a couple of coffee in the morning. What what what keeps Because I know you're kind of a nervous guy. Sometimes you're kind of a nervous nellie. Well, what what keeps Andy Firman up at night? What what makes you not get good sleep when

you don't having a bad meal? Indigestion probably really more than anything. Acid acid refluxes number one for me too. I'll wake up at you know, at twelve thirty one o'clock in the morning and just go, oh jeez. And then I have said every once in a while myself. But I have something that just doesn't agree with me, Like I have about pizza late at night. You know, something acidic that'll get to me. Tomatoes get me. Let's food like that late at night. It'll get me white castles late

and I love white castle but you know, sometimes they get me. There aren't any thoughts that race through your head that keep you up and make you I mean, do you ever do you ever worry just about doing these conversations with me? But because I know they can be so taxing on your on your personal You're the least of my operation. Really, of everything else I got going on my life, at least you're the comic relief of my life. You really are? You theausus? So what am I are? You

made me relax? Let let me reenact a scene from Good Fellows? What do you mean you mean I'm a clown to amuse you? What do I do? Do I talk funny? Do I dress funny? Uh? Do I say funny things? No? I mean he's great. You call me you're coming. You're a comming influence and I appreciate that, well, really does. That's one of the nicest things you've ever seen you bring up the best and worst in me at times. Hey, and you know you know how to push the buttons with me. And I appreciate that, I really

do, because you know how to get me going. I'm sure you're going to be that doing that in a couple of minutes from now. Well, there was there was one thing you said you wanted to talk about, but then there was also the you suggested or sent as submitted an editorial to the inquiry. Do you want to talk about that at all? About Joe Burrow? I want people to read it. We could talk about it if there it gets in print. You know, that's a tease. You know,

why would I tell him? Now, let's tease a little bit. Uh. It's about him being the average Joe. And you don't think, Yeah, you know what's funny. I was driving my wife and I were at a wedding on Sunday and Billini was a whole. It was like near Tips City, Ohio, one hundred miles round trip. So on the way back on seventy five south around West chest that we passed a Kroger billboard and it says I'm not the average Joe. That was a picture of Joe Burrow and

boom the lightm off my head is that's that's tremendous. That's gonna be something I'm gonna write about. Because you're right, he's not the average jo I wish he was. I wish this year he was average. He's below average.

And so I got myself kind of rittled up and I put some stuff together, set it out to the inquirer, and I think it will the end before Sunday, before the game on Sunday, my friend Rocco Costallano, who was just on last half hour Andy uh Or in the nine o'clock hour, he he thinks that the Bengals training staff must be not doing the things to get him prepared well. He would say that because wants everybody to come to his place. I get it, you know, I mean, he's

promoted. I understand. But but he suggested specific things that he thinks they should be doing. Because a level one, tell me, tell me one thing that he said they should be done. I want to hit this red is genius. I want to hit this red light therapy. Also, there was a certain molecule he suggested that he don't he doesn't think that they're giving him because he said that if it's not legal, if he know it's legal, if he was in charge, If he was in charge, Joe Burrow

would have been better two weeks ago, and he's obviously not better. Yes, you know what, though it's great to say that to a radio one is let him get on the phone and talk to the training stead Let him talk to you know, really, if he feels that strongly about it, he could be a savior to the community. Think about that, well, well, everybody, we want it, we put it out. We put it out there in the interview train with Roco dot Com. The Bengals should

contact him. Maybe no, no, no, it doesn't work that way. See if he's no, if he's the cure, all he gets on the horn and say, look, I think you need to see me for fifteen twenty minutes. Let me have an audience with you. I could get this guy back in shape. That's They're not gonna call him. They got paid professionals with trainers over there, okay, and medical people. But if he feels that strongly, get on the phone and dollar Bengals office and there's

for the training stip. Well, Betty hit go down there to a practice. As I say, he could be a savior to this city because people are wondering and hoping that Joe burrow A is healthy and be playing against Arizona Sunday. Andy Furman, let me know and let us know what you think so far of the NFL season. Let's let's set the Bengals aside for a moment. It's hard to do because we're right here in the middle of ground orange and black zero. But let's let's set that aside. What have you

seen so far in the National Football League this year? Ye? That tells you this team they really got it and this team no way. It's funny you mentioned that, because I think it's easy to say that week by week and then it changes week by week. And that's why the NFL is such a great game. It's like a soap opera, is balanced. Why do

I say that? That goes two weeks ago, Miami drops seventy points on Denver, and this Sunday they lose to Buffalo forty eight twenty and Denver, I mean, I thought everybody thought Miami was the end all because all all of them Miami's gonna win it all, and then Buffalo hands it to him on Sunday, so you just don't know what it's Basically, it's really great. I'll look at the Minnesota Vikings, a playoff team of a year ago. They're one three and basically they've lost, you know, basically every game

by six points or less. Kirk Cousins and more than that, Kirk Cousins leading the Lincoln passing. It's crazy, it really is. It is incredible the Bears. How much how bad must the Bears be to get walloped by the Broncos After the Broncos got beat by fifty against the Dolphins this season, see that Arizona the team that Bengals are playing on Sunday, that's the team

that's gonna dump for a quarterback in the draft. Arizona comes out beats Dallas, and now the worst team in the league has to be the Chicago Bears Denver. The Bears are obviously all The last great quarterback on the Chicago Bears probably was Sid Luckman. Look it up, Sid Luckman. You give me Sid Luckman, amazing. I will give you. I'll take your I'll see your Sid Luckman, and I will go to another team and I will raise you A C. J. Stroud how impressive has he been so far?

Very much so, I tell you, one of the up and comers, one of the top quarterbacks that have coming early on and made an impression. I think he's he's got something cooking over there here, really does you know? It's kind of crazy what we're seeing. And again the big disappointment. And I saw Monday I was a quarterback of the New York Giants. They gave him a big cutch chunk of money and he hasn't done anything. Obviously, no protection. He was sacked like eleven times Monday night. But still

at all. I mean, Daniel Jones is not the guy. I mean, the city of New York is in a quarterback frenzy. They got Zach Zach over there with the Jets and Daniel Jills of the Giants. Yeah, and they just can't get it done. But I will pay you this. He played very well against the Kansas City Chiefs and they probably should have won that game for sake of a fumble at the end by Zach Wilson. But you know what people say, all of a sudden, how comes that played

so great? How come we did so well against the Kansas City Chiefs? You know, My feeling is on that, my own personal take on this game, that Aaron Rodgers was brought back to call the plays. Aaron Rodgers called the plays in that game because Zach Wilson. Okay, because Nathaniel Hackett can't hack it. Okay, get it. He's the offensive coordinator, the coach who was fired in Denver. List. Yeah, he couldn't hack it there. He can't hack it in the Jets. They bring Aaron Rodgers back

on crutches. He's up in the boot by himself. Colon placed to Zach Wilson, speaking of Zach's and let's go back to the Bengals for a moment. Should Zach Taylor actually be calling place for the Bengals at this point? Well, I mean, you know, when you win, no one says anything. When you lose, you're you're you're a target. And I think that right now, Zach, Zach Taylor has to adjust his play calling to an immobile quarterback. I mean, obviously the defenses right now and budding at,

chomping at the bit, knowing that that Joe can't move. He can, he's stationary in the pocket. See'll load up the defensive line, you rush the guy your blitz blitz blitz, you can't run, and that's what It puts a lot of pressure on the Bengals defense as well. So you know, he's got to come up with some sort of a scheme that maybe screenplays, maybe some screens. I don't know. I don't stay up like these guys do. I'm not the so called offensive geniuses that they claim to

be. We'll see. The pressure really right now is on Zach Taylor and a step not on Joe Parole, because you know, Joe Parrel has an excuse he's and let me let me go back to the Jets Chiefs game, which of course you know I'm a Kansas City Chiefs fan that that quarterback is my Mahomy And so anyway, they have the ball at the end, Mahomes rushes for the first down and he slides just short of the goal line. Somebody told me that that's absolutely a bookie move, that was a bet move.

I said, well, no, I mean he gets the first down. The Jets don't have any timeouts. They can they can just run the clock. But but that's a lot of a lot of people with gambling. A lot of people said that that Patrick Mahomes moved the slide short of the goal line when he could have scored the touchdown. Was all about Vegas, about gambling. It was a thirteen million dollars move. Somebody told me, well, and you know what, the people who told you that gambles,

you know, and that's they think. I mean when I see that, I say, hey, the genius move. Run the clock. They have no timeouts left. It's a football move, not a gambling move. However, that is the danger of guys that may be dropping a pass at the end of the game that should have been caught that could be a touchdown. That's the danger of inventing or permitting gambling to get involved in sports. You

could have hurt the credibility at times. Give me the examples. Two weeks ago, I think it was the year Rams and I forgetting who they were playing. They went for a field goal and they were still way at it. It was like no time to go. Remember that game. They went for a field goal at the end of the game, and they said they covered by making that field goal and had no reason to go for a field goal at no time left on the clock, right, no time left on

the clock. That couldn't have won the game, or that there was changed to spread and and really that was a gambling move. That's that's what it was. It had to be right, sure, But but and I had this discussion with Marty earlier. Marty Brennaman was on the show. I'm name dropping now, but I had this discussion with Marty and and he said, no, it's it's better to have it out in the open now that gambling is legal, because gambling is always played a role in the NFL, especially

Andy. You know that if you if you're not going to admit that, then you've either got your head in the sand or you're part of the cabal that is that is changing the outcome of games for gamblers, even if you're not gambling. I mean, you're exactly right, you know. And football is the perfect game a game it's perfect, I mean the way it's set up, the way the points are. I mean, it's very difficult to bet on baseball, although people have done that, obviously, difficult to bet

on basketball, it's not too bad. Hockey's ridiculous. But football is the perfect gambling game. Yep, no no question about that. I mean, so you don't gamble at all. Right, Well, I weren't the race trucks on my life and I only have a place to bet. I just looked at it as a sport and try to promote it in that as. I never got caught up in that. It never really interests me. It really didn't. You want to talk about sports that are dirty with gambling.

I mean the horse racing is used to be exhibited a number one. Well, I would tell you this because I think any sport that has gambling involved with it is somewhat shady. It has to be. There are people in there that look for shortcuts or whatever. Well, look the good news. If these players make so much money, I don't think a gambler could get to that. I really don't. But what happened in the NBA several years ago when when some of those referees were gambling. Right, it's just a

question. If you can get to somebody and give them the right amount of money, they're gonna do it. That's what it does. Money changes everything. Cindy Lawper said that, Andy, I'm quoting Cindy lawser Wait, it didn't change Taylor Swift. Didn't didn't change Taylor Swift because no think about this. I mean, now Taylor Swift is getting involved, you know, really it hurts me. The NFL doesn't need Taylor Swift. The NFL could stin out its own two feet. It's the most popular sport in the world.

I don't care what they say about soccer in Europe. The NFL is king. Okay, So she aligns herself with the NFL and Travis Kelsey's good for her. They don't need her, right, it's a it's a bad move. Now. If you really want that, to be smart and be a hero, Taylor, you know you should have done align yourself Amazing League Baseball. They could have used you. I wonder how many Swifties would have gone

to baseball to see her. Andy, I don't I don't think. I don't think it has anything to do with her trying to take over the NFL or prop the it's the heart wants what the heart wants. Oh, Travis, Ty's too stupid to realize that the Taylor Swift is using them. Really on, Travis, wake up, she's using you. I think that's a good place to stuff Andy. Thank you very much. Is always the fur

ball on the night. Jeff Gods, God bless you seven hundred WLW with inflation compensation, you could knocking for the fall season on seven hundred w l W. I'm Gary Jeff Walker. I will be guiding you around in this next half hour with one of our favorite guests of all time, a lady who I first came to know as someone who was spouting off. And you know what, that hasn't changed over the years, because she still is, and tonight she's going to spout off with us. A talk show host,

a thinker, a patriot. Karen Cataline joins in on the nightcap. How you doing kk, I'm doing good, I might add, my husband would add a royal Paine in the bloomin I've got. I have a friend of mine and I know he and his wife, and I'll always ask him, usually it's at the bar. I'll say, hey, Kyle, has Nicole meaner than a rattlesnake. That's what he always That's how he always responds when I ask how his wife is doing. So I understand, So we'll start.

We'll start in the lighthearted front reel real quickly with some borrowed material from the uh from one of my favorite websites, the Babylon Bee. We've talked about this before, and the latest headline. Here are the only twenty times it's it's acceptable for a man to cry. They start with when you're a soldier in the Civil War and your leg gets blown off by a cannonball. It's okay. Here, here's sure, it's okay to cry. Here's here's

something that a lot of men will relate to. When you manage to mow your lawn and perfectly straight diagonal lines. Uh, and see you you've gotta you've gotta have the mowing gene. You've got to understand the mowing gene. A perfectly mowed lawn for a man who is doing it is is something that can bring a lot of men to tears. Oh, he's crying out of happiness. Yes, that's right, that's right. Okay, when a when a toddler just performed a double knee drop from the arm of the couch onto

your groin, it's okay to cry. My dog does that, but for different reasons. Yep, he jumps on my lap and he just doesn't know his size. He doesn't understand that we have bones, and yes, exactly. At the Vietnam or World War Two memorials I would agree that's that's definitely permissible if for a man to cry, Yeah, and there was there was

something. This is one this I'll end with this because this is funny, that part in the Notebook when Ali comes back to Noah for just a few fleeting moments and everything's back to normal for far too short a time, and then Ali relapses and then they die holding hands. Ha ha, just kidding. This one was a test. You cried during the Notebook you are gay? I love that. That is a certifiable chick flick, no doubt about it. So should Kevin McCarthy be ousted from his speakership? They certain they

certainly are looking like they're they're poised to do it. Do you think it will happen? I would be shocked if it did. I mean, look at how hard they work to keep them in there, and now all of a sudden, Yeah, I think they're gonna go after Matt Gates more than they'll go after Kevin McCarthy. Yeah. Then I'm lousy at telling the future, so I don't know. There you go. We can all read the tea leaves, just it's different tea sometimes. And it's such a show,

isn't it mean, it is every show, everything for our consumption. We're being fed. I have a new verb for you, two hoax. It's not just a hoax, it's two hoax. It is an active verb. Like, for example, the entire Republican debate, in my opinion, is a hoax. It's ridiculous. It's a bizarre little hoax, and but it is. It is an ongoing hoax. May I just sort of wax philosophy. Absolutely, that's what you're here for. Okay, go ahead. Well, I had to write this out because it was a little bit convoluted or

intricate or whatever three syllable word you want to convolute to. That's a force syllable word. I think what bothers me most about the debates, for example, is that the establishment and the elites are pretending that there is wide opposition to Trump on the right and overtly promoting opposition to Trump also while pretending there is no opposition to Biden on the last and overtly suppressing that. That's what

bothers me. It is not real. It is a hoax. Well, just as the whole government shutdown was a hoax ally and the lead up to

it. Yeah, I was talking about this yesterday, I said in for Willie on the Bill Cunningham Show here, but I was talking about this obvious political theater, and the can kickers keep on doing it and trying to convince the American people that they're just they're working as hard as they can to keep the government functioning and to work for us and to effectively be stewards of our tax dollars. And then they pull this stunt every single time at the end

of every fiscal year. It's you're getting ready to drop off the cliff, and they wait until midnight, until it strikes midnight. Sometimes, you know, they do this hoax shutdown of the federal government, which, by the way, do they ever talk about how they're not going to get paid, the senators and the House members are not going to get paid with the government shutdown. They never talk about that. They talk about the t SA, they talk about bus service, they talk about i mean, for kids and

parents. They talk about things that they think we're going to care about, like keeping the national parks open and all these other myriad of things, you mean, like Obama did in this term, trying to let us know how desperate we need the government you know, to keep a public park open. It's as if Hollywood wrote this script every year, isn't it. It's as if Hollywood wrote it. But the fact that people keep buying it is what's

amazing to me. Yeah, And you know what, how do we know people are buying it when the media, which lies and as part of the hoax, wants us to believe that the public is more gullible than they actually are. I would submit that the biggest reason for the government shutdown every year is to try to drum into people's heads that we desperately need the government now. Sperately. We must have them and life will be miserable without them.

Most people who have watched this government and many others down through the years. And you know what about like Will Rogers said in a hundred years ago, are cheering in hopes that the government would shut down for a day. But they never do. They never ever do. They never leave us alone,

is what it is. And they don't want to leave us alone. And the giant, bloated bureaucracies, the obese bureaucracies that are a part of our government, and these unelected appointed people in the Department of Education never feel any kind of never feel any kind of pain from a possible government shut down.

They keep these obsolete, unnecessary agencies open. They're never threatened with. Well, the Department of Energy will shut down tonight at midnight if the government is not fully funded by Congress or with the Continuing Resolution, and of course that never happens. All of the things that are really really useless and shouldn't be there in the first place, they go on operating and functioning just as they

had before. Every time they're called essential, they're not essentials. The most worthless of government agencies are the ones that are called essential, right, that's part of the homes it's a burb. Yeah, the Department of Transportation,

I mean we had a fully functioning, fully funded Department of Transportation. Why when the train derailed in East Palestine, Ohio and polluted an entire town and surrounding neighborhoods, and you know it took a pothole, Pete how long to just get out there, and Joe Biden every actually never showed up when they were these people were clamoring and worried about the health of them and their children in their town. But the Department of Transportation, which oversees such things.

Was totally useless, and it was a great It was a great chance for people to have the spotlight shined on how absolutely useless these government agencies and departments are. Touche and where were Where was the left? That was such an atrocity. It's it was Taylor made for the flagship issue for the left right,

the environment, you know, keeping things. Hey remember that weird movie which I don't know if I saw all of with with Julia Roberts, where she played that person environmental stuff, right, this is their issue and yet that's it. Thank you very much for my little brain birth there. And yet they ignored it completely. They and the media ignored it completely. You would have thought that they would have been jumping up and down. Same thing

with the fires in Hawaii. Yes, that's an environmental disaster. And these environmental disasters by the environmental activists suddenly don't seem to care. May I say make another example? Yes, please? Where is Cindy Sheehan on the Ukrainian War? It's an excellent question any her anybody heard at all we I mean all of it. She was camping out on George W. Bush's doorstep, and believe me. I have absolutely no love for George W. Bush or

the Bushes in general. They have been exposed to be the turncoats that they really always were. The radical left was more right about them than they knew. Now suddenly there isn't one anti war activist. In fact, all of a sudden, the Democrat Party are war activists. How did that happen? Well, because Vladimir Putin is the most evil person ever ever on the face of the earth, and he must be defeated at any cost, and the

cost is coming from all of us. It is it's the same, it's the same industrial military complex that Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us about because he saw it coming. That was another conspiracy theory that came true, wasn't it. Oh yeah, we used to say, you know, he was kind of a conspiracy theorist, but maybe he wasn't. No, No, he was not. And I wish somebody would have warned us about the pharmaceutical medical industrial complex. Well do you remember once upon a time, not that many

years ago, when the left was talking about big pharma. They were, in fact, they were talking about Remember this, this seems like ancient history. When the left was screaming and jumping up and down about how the big box stores were eating up the mom and pop stores, and they hated Walmart until they didn't. They hated all the big box stars until they didn't. They were jumping up and down. This my favorite one about keeping America beautiful

and littering and the environment. Now, it's perfectly okay. I ain't been encouraged to camp up on the street crash your city. You kind of broke up there, your your phone signal kind of broke up. Oh sorry, that's okay. It was so good. Well, we'll say it perfectly. Say it again, say it again. It's perfectly okay to trash your city, live in a tent, destroy the city, and poop on the sidewalk. The poop on the sidewalk was the Kuda gras. That's what I was

waiting for. So anyway, you're right, you're absolutely right, and that's okay. It was okay while they were they're trying to force everybody in America to wear masks to protect us against something that mass didn't protect you from. But when the Antiva and the Black Lives Matter protesters were burning cities and rioting, and they weren't wearing masks. It was it was for a greater cause.

So it's okay, well except that they they gave them cover to wear masks, because, after all, who is it that traditionally have always worn masks in society, even back to the Old West when they used to bandan over their criminal it was criminals, but criminals who didn't want to be identified.

So, you know, everything is upside down and backwards today, and I think among those things that are upside down and backwards is the fact that a greater and greater number of people aren't getting it and understanding what's going on. That doesn't mean everybody, it's never everybody, but the illusion, I'm just starting to realize this, the illusion that the public is going along with this and these dictators are not governing against the will of the people, is

getting harder and harder to justify. You can talk to just about almost anybody except the people will that fancy themselves fair minded because they watch MSNBC and Fox News at the same time, or they watch them bosa they think, oh, well, I'm an independent, I got both sides of the story. But in fact, I think people are watching this that doesn't mean, it's

going to turn around by that alone. But have you ever in your life seen anything more brazenly unfair as using lawfare to quadruplely indict your political opponent and keep them off the ballot. As Tucker Carlson said, that's the whole plan. Even if it's the dumbest case in the world, which they are, it won't matter because you know it's it's a great paradox. None of this world, none of this, none of this is about putting Donald Trump in

jail. This is about keeping off the campaign trail and bankrupting him if they can bankrupting him, but also smearing him and making sure and keeping him off the ballot. And people who think that's not their intent should realize that there are people activists in many of the states already mostly leftist states, sadly like Colorado, in which people are working to do just that to keep him off

the ballot. Now, mind you, he hasn't been convicted of anything, but they're already being proactive to keep him off the ballot with the wrap around smear that they already created, which was to indict him, and so they could say, see he's indicted, he doesn't need to be on the ballot. I mean unless yeah, go ahead, finished finish, unless you are mentally ill, you would have to find a way to justify what I just

said that that's perfectly legit, go ahead. Well, it was nice to see the Supreme Court just kind of saying now we're not going to hear this case filed by Castro who was trying to keep Donald Trump off the ballot New Hampshire. Uh that that happened yesterday, so uh, there's still there's still the Supreme Court. Thank god. You know, Gary Jeff, it's just astonishing that they can charge their political opponent with election interference while they go about

interfering with an election. Yes, I know. I mean if it worked so sad, it would be hilarious. Well, let's Karen, let's close with this. Karen Cataline, our guest on the Nightcap again, thank you, dear. Uh you mentioned the word dictator earlier. Is is that a misshapen potato? I'm glad I gave you an opportunity to do that. Okay,

thanks dame, love you, thank you. Take care. It's Karen Cataline with us on the Nightcap on seven h WLW want to hear something ry, the amount of dust, pet hair, and allergens creeping in your are It's another hour of the Nightcap here on seven hundred WLWV. First of twenty twenty three's fall season. Gary Jeff Back with Jeff and back with Us has been a favorite of mine, a favorite of this program, a favorite of many of yours for a long long time, and he rejoins us as the

new season starts. The vate King of Northern Kentucky stand up comedian, father, husband and friend Jay Armstrong. How you doing. Oh, I'm doing fantastic, Gary Jeff. How are you good? Good? Good good. I'm just I'm getting into this mode again where I'm not bartending as much, which believe me, I'm I'm happy about, and doing more radio, which

I'm very happy about. So yeah, I mean, it's just that the change from the seasonal jobs that I've been doing just to make make ends meet and keep a roof over my head to now doing something that I have wanted to do and I've been doing for a long long time. So it's it's a good It's a good day. Good day. Listen, it sounds like a good day. I would ask you, first off, as a as a man who got kicked off of Facebook for for vehemently demeaning former Bengals coach

Marvin Lewis. Are you at that point with Zach Taylor yet? I'm getting there this? Uh, I just off. I get so frustrated. He just came out and said that they're going to play him again. They're gonna play Burrow again, like he's hurt, let him heal. And the argument is, well, we could lose if we don't play Burrow. We were one and three. Yeah, so all we're doing is aggravating that injury and making the season worst down. Just take the medicine today. It's just so

frustrating. And it's not just it's not just Taylor, you know, part of part of that, you know falls on Burrow too. He could say I don't want to play, I'm hurt, I want to heal. But when you're at that age, you know, you're mid twenties, you're ten feet Paul made of stealing invisible right. Sure, if you look at if you look at his gameplay, just his movement altogether, like he's not comfortable, he can't plant that, He's like a statue back there. Jay.

Yeah, it's it's just it's so ugly and it's terrible to watch him get hit over and over and over again. And speaking to that, why does Frank Pollock still have a job? I don't. I don't get that. That's where I he's my Marvin Lewis right now, it's Frank Pollock holdne coordinator. Yeah. I don't get it either. And and you taught with Orlando Brown Junior beIN here, and by the way, he's played pretty well, you don't. You can't take anything away from from Brown on the line.

No, especially when you got Cordell Yeah, especially when you got Cordell Wolson right next to him opening the door up for the opposing team to come in and smash Joe. So I'm not I'm I'm pretty over Frank Pollock and I'm over Cordell Bolson. That experiment has been a failure, So let's just move on. It makes me so mad after so many years, right, well was it thirty one years without a playoff win? And then we finally get a team that's Super Bowl caliber and what did they do? They run them

into the ground and make terrible decisions. I don't understand what's happening. Well, maybe what's happening is similar to what happened with the Los Angeles Rams after they beat the Bengals in the Super Bowl, they won a super Bowl the next year, they were dreadful. Well yeah, I mean they traded off their future for one year contracts for a super team to win the Super Bowl. Like that's that's what they did and that was expected. That's not what

we've done. There's no excuse for this O line to still be this bad. There you go, So you're close to getting kicked a Facebook again, aren't you. I'm trying to be quiet on Facebook. Man. There's NFL groups or what get me every time now? And I've been hit with so many violations that the algorithm nails me. There's certain words I just cannot use, Like where's you're allowed to use onlike cable television? I cannot use them or I get instantly banned. Well can you use the words here on the

radio? I'm not entirely sure. It's the one that keeps getting me. Is the one that you call a female dog. That's the one that keeps getting me ten days suspensions. Oh well, that's that's a bit that they're that very frustrating well, you know, and it doesn't matter if I use it as a noun or a verb. It doesn't matter, just the use of the word at all. I infinitely get hello, Oh he went away. He went away, and we did not edit him or bleep him.

So I'm gonna call him back in just a few minutes and talk about how his cell phone provider is definitely a bitch. As we continue on the nightcap on seven hundred WLWA, We'll be right back with Jay Armstrong. I think when I want a nice swarm snack, I'm microwave a pack of mainsteamed catons, the only microwave buns guaranteed to be filled with one hundred percent cat It's

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is a big deal, especially when it comes to your health. This is Jeff for Tri State Men's Health and if you're a man and suffering with a rectile dysfunction, low testosterone or other body mouth, Jay Armstrong, I have no idea why you went on that rant that we had to somebody had to cut you off, Jay, I mean, are you are you willing to behave now? I guess man, the deep state got me. No. You could hear everything. You could hear everything I was saying, but I

could not hear you at all. Yeah. Man, George Soros put that voice filter on me and you couldn't hear me anymore. How much of that do you think is going on still? And we've had all this debate and controversy about social media and Washington stepping in to censor people on social media inc hoots with the social media networks, be they Facebook, be at Google, be at ex Twitter. How much of that do you think is still going

on? Jay? Oh? Every bit of it. And I also think that our intelligence agencies are still going through messages completely without a warrant, just like always. It's like edworshm Odin told us about. And I think I think the more dangerous thing, though, is And when I say that, I don't say it lightly because government censorship through social media is definitely incredibly dangerous.

But you have these groups like Cambridge Analytica that are constantly analyzing all this data through algorithms and AI to say to tell people what to say to be most effective to manipulate the general public. That is what worries me more than the censorship. But those two things definitely work together. Aren't people more aware

of that though? Now, because it's been pointed out and it's been admitted that the government is you know, tapping these social media and tech giants on the shoulders saying hey, we can't have that because it doesn't go along with our narrative. But people know that that's happening now, So doesn't that at least change the perception of rivacy. I have to ask Dave Hatter these questions.

But don't you think that people are a little bit more on the ball with this kind of stuff now that we've been through, you know, especially through the scam deemic and everything with COVID and and all of the all of the filtering that was done there when it came to ivermecton and the dangers, the adverse effects of COVID nineteen vaccines and all of the things that have been pointed to there is dangers, but that was not allowed to be aired in

the public space because it was misinformation. Well, you know what, more information, no matter what the information is, I think is always better for the average person, so they can make up their own mind. I mean, do you think it, Yeah, I don't know. To some extent, you kind of got to protect people from themselves, right, No, no, no, no, no, that is not the job. That

is not the job of the government protecting people from themselves. I mean you can cite seat belt laws if you want, or the law in Ohio now that you can't have a cell phone in your hand while you're driving. I think those are probably reasonable things. But at the same time, it's I don't like the nanny state at all. Yeah, I don't like that an elderly couple went to the local pet store and bought aquarium grade hydrochloroquine killed themselves

because they read a social media post saying it with saving from COVID. Now, if you're fine with those older people who don't make those clear decisions just killing themselves because they read something that some idiot wanted to say on Facebook because of a political narrative that they want to push that's that's on you. I'm not okay with that. Well, they were also they were censoring hydroxychloroquine, which now the CDC has indoors they weren't. They weren't addressing aquarium grade,

you know. No, they were taking out but that's where people can go buy regular people can't go buy medical grade hydrochloricuine without without a prescription. So these people read this stuff on Facebook that said the government's trying to stop you from taking the real medicine. So they went and got the real medicine and now they're dead. Their family has got a big hole because they listened to

that nonsense on social media. So yeah, I think that that if you're going to make a platform for people to talk about and I don't even necessarily think it's the government's job here. I think it's the social media platforms. If you're going to connect people so that they can share information, you are responsible in part for what information gets shared in the consequences of such information.

Okay, we were talking about two different things. Hydroxy Chloroquine is easy to get, it's off patent, it's very inexpensive, and the doctors can prescribe, describe it. Maybe The problem is they can prescribe it. Yes they can. Yes, they can prescribe, but you can't just go stay it at Walmart. But you can't, Jay Jay, calm down just a second.

What I'm telling you is state and medical boards prohibited these doctors from prescribing or threatened their license if they prescribe something that now the CDC has endorsed it is a good preventative treatment for COVID nineteen. They've already admitted that what they said three years ago. No, it won't help you, it's dangerous, don't take it, and doctors don't prescribe it. So that's what drives an old couple to find something that they think is close to that. That was.

That was the medical industry, the pharmaceutical medical industrial complex that did that, not a social mediary desk. It's probably not the people saying, ignore your doctor, ignore the government. Get it however you can get it and take it. It's probably not them. You're probably right. It's probably not

the people that directly said to do exactly what that old couple said. No, it's not, it's not it's not any No, it's not in Jang's not it's not anybody it's not anybody recommending after doctor after doctor has said I treated patients with hydroxychloroquin and you know what, they're better. That's what that's what you're ignoring, doctor after doctor after doctor that I talked to you, and they weren't quacks. They got their medical degree the same place that the

guys at the CDC or whoever has a medical license got it. And you know what, they're they're still a doctor. Just because they don't agree with the official stance of the government that was all trying to propagate the pandemic. They weren't trying to protect or save people. That's insane, Okay, okay, but that's fine. The people that directly said to do it are not the people responsible. That's that's amazing. That's a level of mental gymastics.

I said. I and also people I looked up whether or not the CDC is recommending hydropped the chloric when as a preventative measure for COVID nineteen and that's not true. You said that at the beginning of this, and that's a problem they have. You said they endorsed it as a preventative measure, and that's just not true. See that's the problem as a treatment. You've said

preventative measure, and I couldn't find it as a treatment either. So the problem is is that people hear stuff that's completely untrue from people who say other things that they like, and then they follow that to their death. That's a problem. So yeah, everybody should should be careful about what information is shared. Stuff that's not true is not information. Information is only stuff that's true, all right. I just I just have talked to so many doctors

who prescribe hydroxychloroquin for their patients, and their patients did great. I mean, like like nearly one hundred percent of their patients were better after the rounds of hydroxy clark win. Same thing with ivermectin. They called it horse pills, and while it's similar drugs, it's not the same thing that's being prescribed and has been okay for humans to use jay right, right, But that's

not what people were sharing on social media. The reason people said horse paste is because there were tons of huge groups of people that were sharing direct links on where to buy veterinary grade ivermectin. Because your doctor is not going to want to give it to you, so come and get this horse paste.

I actually know a doctor. I know a doctor from Michigan who him and his wife were taking the horse paste version of ivermectin and they both got COVID and she spent a year in the hospital because he stopped her from getting real treatment to just follow the conspiracy theory nonsense of ivermectin. Okay, Well, there's lots of conspiracy theory nonsense, and a lot of it revives revolves around

Maderna and Johnson and Johnson Jay. Yeah, I'm sure it does. And we're all going to die tomorrow because our vaccines are going to be activated by the New World Order. Right. I didn't say that. I didn't know a lot of people listening to this this right now that probably are worried about what's going to happen with their phone tomorrow because they've heard the same misinformation from the same people about that too. Okay, your phones are going to be

fine tomorrow. If you've gotten vaccinated, you don't have to freak out. I never said that people should be freaking out because they got a vaccine. You're confusing me with somebody else. Hello, yep, I'm here. Oh okay, I just love getting you charged up. Yeah, Well, the problem is is you know that it gets me charged up because Jason Goodall is ground right now. You know it gets me charged up because my brother in

law is in the ground right now. And you want to continue to share the same nonsense that's being shared on social media that drives people to their deaths. So stop it. Just stop talking about it, all right. You're not an expert on it. I'm not an expert on it. But what I can share is the direct experience of my friends and my family member who

are not going to take another breath. I got you, both of whom were unvaccinated because they listened to this nonsense, that the nonsense that there weren't people that had solutions to this beyond what was pushed and recommended by the WHO and by the CDC. But you mean I remett in the hydrop the medicines that we were already talking about that put people other people in the ground. All right, you think that that's you think that that's still the answer.

Go tell those families like, look, man, I'm sorry that your family member died from this thing that I endure. But look, not my fault and not the fault of anybody else who said the same thing. It's the government's fault and it's the Democrat's fault, even though you did what we said and you died. Okay, can you tell me whether the factual and accuracy is not the opinion. You're the one earlier that said it wasn't the people

pushing those things that killed people's fault. It was the Democrats and it was the government. That's what you said, not the people. Suggest I didn't say democrats specifically, No, I did not. I said no, I So I didn't. This was not a pro Republican rant, Jay, It was just a difference of opinion. And my experience with COVID, and I've had it twice, has been largely different. My family's experience with it has

been largely different. And I know lots of people who've gotten the first shot, the second shot, the three boosters, and have been very, very sick with COVID afterwards. Jay, So that's my personal experience. Guess we'll leave it there. Probably all right, all right, I'm sorry I got you upset. Are you hoping to calm things down a little bit from the

last phone call? I hope I didn't lose a friend there, But anyway, it was it was good to let him speak his piece and yell at me for a while, changing gears completely from that tech guy, our it guy, from into it or in trust it. Excuse me? Is the one and only Dave Hatter. Dave, welcome back to the Nightcap. It's great to have you on the show. Always my pleasure, Garret Jeff, glad to be back, and hopefully we'll do some good tonight help people avoid

some of the crazy things that are going on out there around cybersecurity. Well, Amazon just got fined twenty five million dollars for deceiving parents and violating the child privacy privacy laws. So first off, how did how was it found that Amazon violated child privacy laws? And explain this to me a little bit, Dave. Yeah, So I guess let me start out and say, twenty five twenty five million dollars sounds like a lot to Amazon. That's like

twenty five dollars to me and you Gary Jeff. So I'm glad to see that, you know, action is being taken against these tech titans who are frequently at best using dark patterns and privacy washing to do things that are not in your interest and at worst are just you know, blatantly flouting what their

terms of servicing and so forth. So the FTC find Amazon twenty five millions or violating the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act, which amongst other things, says you have to be thirteen years old or older to engage in a lot of

this stuff online without parental consent. Apparently, the Department of Justice filed this complaint on behalf of the FTC and basically said that Amazon for a long time has been misleading people about what they're doing with the data collected through smart devices like Alexa. So here's a direct quote. Amazon's history of misleading parents.

Keeping children's recordings indefinitely at plowing parents deletion requests violated KAPA and sacrifice privacy for profits profits rather, says Samuel Lavine, director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection. Quote, KAPA does not allow companies to keep children's data forever for any reason. It's certainly not to train their algorithms. And the basic gist of it was so Alexa, right, the thing you talked to from Amazon

that goes out and does request for you and so forth. Was even when parents were asking to have their children's voice recordings deleted and remind people when you use something like Alexa, it has to listen to you because that's how it waits for you to say the wake word and kick it into action, right, And by default it's doing some basic recordings because if you talk to it, it has to send your command off to their servers, so that's going

to be at least recorded for some short period of time. So when people say that all sounds crazy, I mean it has to work that way, right. But the issue was people were going in and saying that they wanted to delete this data out of there, and even though Amazon said you could do that, they weren't actually deleting it, and they claimed that they were keeping it to train their AI algorithms and things of that nature, you know,

to improve the capabilities of these devices. So you know, sadly, Gary, Jeff, we see this kind of thing all the time with these tech companies, in particularly when it involves these Internet of things or so called smart devices. Well, and we talked, gosh years ago, Dave, about how we'd never allow one of those things in our houses for the very reasons that are spelled out in this slap on the risk fine for Amazon. Google is about to pay another poultry. So I guess for Google ninety three

million dollars over alleged location privacy deceptions. I'm not even sure I know what that is, but maybe you do. Well, Gary, Jeff, I'm glad you brought this one up too, because it's a very similar kind of thing, and you know, in keeping with the theme. And you know, while I am certainly no luddite, as you know, I've spent you know, thirty years into business, twenty five years as a software engineer building stuff like this. You know. My issue with all of these things are

people don't really understand what they're signing up for. They don't read the terms of service, and if they do again you'll hear terms. They use these terms before, like privacy washing and dark patterns. Right, they say one

thing and do another. That's the privacy washing piece, claim their privacy friendly and so forth, claim that you can delete stuff and that sort of thing, and then can't and or be they use dark patterns an important term which is getting out in the public mind space more and more, I think, which is they make it difficult for you to do things that are in your own self interests like turn off location tracking, turn off voice recording, and

that sort of thing. Like you know, you go in and if you can even find the settings at all, they make it, you know, give you lots of warnings like, well, it's turn this off and this thing is going to happen, and nothing is going to happen. You won't be able to fully utilize the service, and that sort of thing, so so typical. In this case, Google said that you could go in and

delete location data that's been collected by their devices. So for examples, think if you have an Android based phone, whether it's a Google hardware phone like a Pixel or a Samsung phone, if it has Android on it, you could go in and you turn off the location tracking and basically they say they will not track you. But we found out that they were actually doing that anyway. So again here's some direct language from the complete against Google that led

to this fun quote. For years, Google promises users but if they turned off the quote location history unquote setting, then Google would not store their location data. The complaint said it made its promise explicit and career language on the

help page for location history that left no room for ambiguity. Yet if you went and it turned it off, they didn't get rid of the data is essentially the bottom line, So you know, it's just one more example where and I'm not always I'm not sure Gary Jeff that in every case this stuff is being done maliciously. In some cases, I think it's just probably human error software bugs. Again, these systems are large and complex, so again, while I think some of it is done by design, don't get me

wrong, I don't think it's always done by design. I think sometimes it's just bugs, mistakes, or dark patterns, so people don't really understand what it's telling you. But it's unfortunate and again one of the reasons why I'm not a big fan of Google and generally encourage people to stay away from Google as much as they can. Artificial intelligence, according to the Signals Meredith Whittaker

is a surveillance technology. Basically explain this, Yes, yeah, Meredith Whittaker is a very interesting person and for those who are interested in privacy and sort of the state of technologies or pertains to v to see, she's someone that's worth keeping an eye on. She's very smart. She's the CEO at Signal for those who aren't familiar. Signal is an end to end encrypted messaging app and generally within the tech world is sort of renowned. Is probably the most

secure messaging app out there. It's one of the ones that's snowed in. Like and she was recently speaking at a conference, and she has a great quote here quote And the use of AI is also surveillant. Right, you know, you walk past the facial recognition camera that's instrumented with pseudoscientific emotion recognition, and it produces data about you, right or wrong, that says you're happy or sad, you have a bad character, you're a liar, whatever.

These are ultimately surveillance systems that are being marketed to those who have power over us, generally our employers, government's border control, etc. To make determinations and predictions that will shape our access to resources and opportunities. Unquote. So I couldn't possibly have said it better than her. And it's not just the fact that you have now increasing surveillance everywhere. It's being coupled with all kinds of AI that's supposedly, as she said, can you gauge your mood?

Can gauge if you might have some sort of bad intent, has facial recognition to try to identify you, which is continued to be proven to be not very good, especially in minority community. So yeah, there's a lot

of problems with this stuff. And the point she really drives home for me is that idea again, let's read it from her, these are ultimately surveillance systems being marketed to those who have power over us, generally our employer's, government's border control, etc. So yeah, it's people need to wake up to this stuff and realize that while there a lot of this technology is obviously very cool and brings a lot of great conveniences and pros to our society,

there's an enormous amount of downside to a lot of this stuff. And the further of the genie gets out of the bottle, the harder it will be to wind this stuff back if and when it either a goes bad or b is not you in ways that are in alignment with freedom and liberty and you know, general American principles. So yeah, it's it's a big concern. And again I think she's spot on and is constantly talking about these sort of things, So she's a good person to follow. Okay, Meredith Whittaker at

Signal. Dave Hatter is our guest on this first nightcap of the new season on seven d W l W and one more for you, And this is something you have, you and I've gotten into in depth discussions about over the last now six months or so. It's been a thing longer than that, but it really really is coming on now. Packer deep fakes employees voice and phone call to breach an IT company. So we've talked about deep fakes in video and with our image and deep fakes with audio. Now it's actually being

used and it's popping up more and more. Is it not that ass? Correct? Eric? Yeah, I can tell you from firsthand experience playing with him. You can right now go online do a search. I wouldn't use Google, I'd use ut Go or start page or another privacy friendly search engine. But do a search and find online tools that will allow you to clone a voice with as little as three seconds of audio. Use these seven seconds of more works better, and they'll typically give you a sentence to read.

You read the sentence, it copies your voice. It then trains its voice model on that, and then you can type something in and it will say it in that voice. So people will say, well, gosh, how is someone going to get my voice to cleone my voice? Well, my first question to him as always, do you currently have voicemail? Is there a voicemail on your cell phone, your work phone, your home phone that

has you talking? Because if the answer is yes, I can call your phone number, record your voicemail and in about thirty minutes or less, with no previous experience and at no cost. I'm you I've actually done this myself firsthand, so this is not speculation on my part. I know that it's absolutely possible. And the story you read, and let me give you another headline that ties into it. This is from the New York Post from this

week. Gambers use artificial intelligence to beg New York City parents for fifteen thousand dollars by mimicking their child's voice. Again, if you have anything posted on social media with your voice, video, audio, whatever, If you have voicemail, if you have you know, if you're out in a public eye, whatsoever. The possibility of me getting your voice is very easy, are very good, and then it's simply a matter of finding one of these tools

em plugging get in once it's trained. Literally, I can sit at a keyboard and type in what I want you quote unquote to say, and it will do it. And you know the first story you brought up, So in this case as part of an elaborate attack, and we often see this, and in factary, Jeff, before I forget, there's a story all the way back in twenty nineteen, when deep fakes flash synthetic media, we're really starting to get a lot of attention, but weren't really seen out in

the wild like they are being now. A bank in the UAE had thirty five million dollars stolen to an elaborate scheme that involved fishing and some other typical cybersecurity attacks, but one of the angles of the attack was a voicemail was left authorizing the transfer of funds that appeared to be for one of the bank directors. So this is not new, but it's become a lot more prevalent because the tools are much easier to use and are readily available at no cost

to anyone. So yeah, I mean, we're seeing these things crop up and I just cannot stress enough to people. You simply cannot believe your ears or eyes anymore. If you get a voicemail, and in fact, in that New York Post story I was talking about, it appears from what I can tell, that they were having to some extent a real time conversation. Now, I have not seen any AI that's capable at this point of doing

a real time conversation with someone of some one else's voice. You know, typically you have to train the model and type in what you want to say. Now, could someone be sitting there typing and that would be a red flag, right if there's a weird pause when you're quote talking to someone that you think is them, that pause might be the bad people typing in what

they want to AI to say. But my point is if you want to maintain your sanity and your money, we are now at a place you literally cannot believe anything you see or hear, and you really have to go out a band. You have to figure out how to go confirm that it's legit because these tools are readily available, and as if you just do a simple search, you'll find many examples now of actual fraud and involves voice clearning. It's crazy and kind of terrifying. Well, you know, it's really especially

terrifying. You say it's easy as going to somebody's voicemail greeting and you've got your voice. But think about all of the hours of digital audio there are of me, of you from all of your is on fifty five Kresy, which, by the way, Davis on every Friday morning at six thirty does a lot of TV spots as well talking about this stuff. And think about forty three years of audio that I've been responsible for generating. And you know, I'm I'm cooked. If anybody wants to deep fake me, I'm done.

There's no way to prevent it. I don't think I think you're right, because I mean, right now, I could go to the seven hundred ww website, find a podcast, download that podcast, put some audio out of it. Again, it takes a very small amount on average, and you know, within a matter of minutes. Now, let's be honest, Scary jet like the free tool I used. It wasn't perfect, but it was very good. I also had no previous experience and only played with it

for about thirty minutes. Right. You know, if you had access to a tool that you could continue to work on, or perhaps something that's in a government lab that's not available to the public, you know, I'm pretty sure you could get close to perfection something that there's no way to the naked ear you would ever know, isn't that person other than again, like in a real time type of situations, weird pauses while someone is typing in what

it's going to say or something like that. But I'm also very concerned that even if there is nothing out there that could respond in a more or less real time conversation like we're having right now, it's coming soon, so they'll actually be able to fake deep fake an entire conversation. If that is not available yet, and I haven't seen anything that says it is, I'm sure

we're less than a year or two away from that. Well, just because we don't know about it doesn't mean that it doesn't already exist in you and I talked about that numerous times as well. Dave Hatter, thanks for helping kick off this nightcap all right, always my pleasure. Thanks for having me on, Gary Jeff, you got it back to wrap up in just moments here on seven hundred WLW open up our live stream on the iHeartRadio app and take a look at the screen. You see that little red circle with a

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