1-9-24 The Night Cap with Gary Jeff Walker

Console. It is the night cap on seven hundred wl W Gary Jeff Walker and the precipice of NFL Super wild Card weekend. We're bringing her back, the fortune teller, the soothsayer, the predictor of sports events when she is not an expert. She'll be the first to admit that My wife christ to two point zero getting out her crystal ball, and I understand you have some little extra help in picking the wild card winners starting this Saturday. Correct,

Actually I do. I'm using my magic eight ball. I didn't know you had a magic eight ball. What else are you hiding from me? Okay, to keep it, got to keep it spicy. There you go. Well, you never have a problem doing that. So my wife, who was not an NFL expert, started picking games of the NFL. I guess we were like, I don't know, week eleven or week twelve on the night cabs, and did pretty well, I mean above five hundred. Well for somebody who's not a sharp, she's not a gambler. Well, she

married me other than that, not a gambler. And so let's go ahead and start with the NFC matchups. And this begins, of course, on Saturday, when the green Bay Packers travel to Jerry World to face the Dallas Cowboys. The Cowboys have been lights out at home this year. They really look like they're clicking. Green Bay just kind of edged their way into the playoffs. Is there an upset? Do you see an upset in the future for that first Wild Card game? Green Bay at Dallas? Who do you

see winning? Oh? Let me checked, really shakes, says green Bay. The magic eight ball, says Green Bay. Yes, I have a special magic gate ball. Well, I mean, I mean, I'm surprised. Maybe it didn't say not sure or ask again later, but okay, green Bay on the magic eight ball from the Chrystal ball herself. Upset a lot of Cowboys fans with that pick, you understand, but you know you're just picking the games. Los Angeles Rams play the Detroit Lions, who just

finished a really magical season. Lions, you know, pretty good all year, but the Rams have been coming on. The Ram have to travel to Detroit. Who wins that game? Detroit? Okay, that was quick. The Philadelphia Eagles next Monday night played the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I believe it's Monday and the Eagles. The Eagles have struggled it lately, and you want to talk about struggling on offense. Tampa Bay won their game to get in

this weekend with a nine to nothing score. What does the magic eight ball tell you about this wild card matchup this coming weekend? Good? Sure to try in Tampa Bay. The Bucks beat the Eagle. Everybody had the Eagles down as a Super Bowl team again this year. The Christal ball says, no, No, I don't see it happening. The Cleveland Browns pretty much pathetic on offense, but great the number one defense in the league. Traveling to Houston to play what I believe is the youngest team in the NFL,

the Houston Texans. What we got, Yes we are? Would say, that's such high expectations for the Dolphins this year. Traveling to my Kansas City Chiefs, who have also had their difficulties to say the least, this season, when again they were picked as another Super Bowl contender, especially since they'd been there and won it last year, give the ball a share and let's see what we got Miami at Kansas City. They came up Kansas City,

all right. So one more left. The Pittsburgh Steelers, which also kind of backed into the playoffs. Three AFC North teams in the playoffs this year, including the number one seed of the Baltimore Ravens. The Steelers are playing at the Buffalo Bills, and again people are saying, the experts are saying, the Buffalo Bills are the most dangerous team in the playoffs. They've got Josh Allen, and they've got all these weapons, and they're supposed to do

great things. But then there's always the turnover machine factor of the quarterback Josh Allen. Yeah, the Steelers at Buffalo. What do you think? Steelers came up? Steelers, You know, I hate that, but man, that's they're a dangerous team because Mike Tomlin cheats. Yeah. All right, So there's your crystal Ball forecast for the NFC and AFC Super wild Card games ahead this coming weekend. You get the playoffs started. I appreciate your time, my dear, and I will see you. Happy New Year to do.

I'm sure they're wishing you happy New Year because they made lots of money on your predictions this year. I will see you. I will see you when I get home. Okay, all right, I love you too. Christ to two point Oho, the Crystal Ball working it in on the playoff picture we will see it's the nightcap and it continues on seven hundred WLW. I'm a firefighter, so it's the nightcap and we're rolling on on Tuesday night

on seven hunter WLW. Garry Jeff at you side with Rock of Costelano, our friend, the fitness freak biohacker trained with Rocco dot com is where you can check him out as well on on the email. But Rocco, we kind of breached this subject a little bit on Saturday Morning. A tease if you will, about fluoride. Now, fluoride has been in drinking water in

this country for how long? Since the fifties, forties and fifties. Actually they started putting it in back then, and it was very controversial even back then. But it's but they just kept was there reasoning for putting it in the first place? Wasn't it okay? So to make your teeth healthy or something. So the lie that they told was that that it would that the fluoride would help a kid's teeth and that it would protect the kid's teeth.

And they had a study that was extremely flawed that said that floor ride helps helps protect twenty five percent of the children in America. So so then you know all these all these organizations decided to jump on that bandwagon. But the weird thing about when you say organizations, you're talking about government agencies or whom, well, our government agencies and also the National Dental Associate, right right, so dentists. And it was it was a dental study that came out,

but it didn't conclude anything whatsoever. You know, it made a link to it a protecting that floor ride, a protected teeth, but it never ever proved or disproved it. It was very similar to what Ansel Ansel Keys did. They he said, oh, well, you know, uh fat, fat causes uh, you know, heart disease. Well that doesn't cause heart disease many other things, but Ansel Keys uh pushed that live for fifty

years. Ansel Keys was a scientist who who did a study who was put on on on Our Time magazine as figuring out and he actually started the whole Uh. He was considered fat. He was considered an authority on nutrition and health, right kind of like kind of like Anthony kind but you know, but not as you can't recall anything now, right, But Ansel Keys Uh, I did a study, but but forgot a whole lot of countries, and he basically said that all the countries that he he said, uh,

basically didn't eat fat, so they didn't have heart disease. Well, the same thing kind of happened. It was just one big lie. And and why they started putting floride in in water is a really nefarious and disgusting act if you if you look at it, because they said that it was gonna help with a dental and with teeth and with a protecting teeth, and that all these people I've had Florida, Florida and drinking water all my life, and my teeth are atrocious. Well, I have to tell you, Well,

and that's the whole thing. Well A Kentucky is literally the worst they have. They have nearly one hund of de cities in Kentucky have have have a floride in the water. Well, I mean I grew up in Illinois and in Tennessee, so I mean it's not just Kentucky, right, Well, I know, but Illinois is ninety eight point nine percent of the cities in Florida have a floride a Minnesota's what about? What about cities that don't have fluoride in the drinking water? Have they studied those? Yes, and

and so that's where this study came from. So that's why I'm even talk about it because the Floride Action On Network sued the EPA for for the sixth year a national toxicology study. They studied places like San Diego, right, that doesn't have floride in the water, which I tak Kansas that doesn't have florida in the water. And New Jersey, who most of the cities don't

have, you know, a florid in the water. And and actually I'll compare it to Kentucky, Illinois and these different places, right, And what did they find? They found that it's amazing. They found that floride in the water reduces children's i Q by up to seven points. Really yeah, by up to seven points. But what about your teeth? Well, well, the teeth, well, I'm you know, I have been I've been saying for twenty years, and the floor ride's horrible for you. And people

are like, oh, what do you mean. My d just tells me all about floor ride and then we go and and we find out that too much florid and even if you look on a tube of toothpaste, it says do not swallow. It's poison. So you're brushing your teeth with poison. And yeah, so just don't swallow it. How many people do you know

that that don't swallow their toothpaste? Sometimes, well, I mean, you're gonna get a little bit in your incremental amount, and then you're drinking or if you drink tap water, which most and what's relevant about this is that in Kentucky, in in Illinois, in Minnesota, most of the cities or the ghettos or the low income places, people don't drink and we'll get into the bottle of the water soon, but they drink, you know, a

tap water. So now the government and the cities literally make making these people stupid. And that's why I believe that it's a very nefarious. If you're a kid and you're born with one hundred and sixty IQ like say somebody like me, then seven points is not going to make that much of a difference. Yeah, But if you're you know, if you have one hundred and like twenty seven points makes a huge difference, you know. But but what's

really really messed up about the fluoride. Is that the fluoride, the florid that they put in the water is actually waste from mining, so from quartz mining, from from different mining operations. They're putting wastewater in with your you're no waste. No, So the floor ride, it's a flora. It's flora's the by product. It's a byproduct of the mining, right, and so very simil to what weight protein was and I'll tell you that story.

But uh so, the fluoride is a byproduct of the processing of the mining of quartz and other and other kind of like rocks, rocks and minerals. And if you were to take that waste and dump it somewhere, it would become extra toxic. So you couldn't clump it in in a big pile or else you'd have a very serious like toxic pile. So what they've found was that if you if you put it in water, it dissipates it and it's it's not as toxic, but it's still toxic, still toxic. Not but

that's what. No, it's the same thing with some of the medications. You know, it's it's really all about dosage. But but you know, one things are poison at this dosage. And one thing is not poison like bleach. You know, you can have you know, a small dosage or or the or the chlorine in the water. It's not it's it's it's gonna harm you, but it's not gonna harm you that much, right, And that's at least it's not gonna harm me that much. But it's the same

thing. It's the exact same thing with you know, with with with a a suitable amount of rat poop in food, there's an actually there are acceptable of rat poop, right, So how much rat poop is is not good

for you? I mean, that's the key. So so that's where that's where the fluoride actually came in into a the water supply because they needed to get rid of it in order to and they used to know, apparently with some study that said it was beneficial in some way that well, a very a very small study like cigarette, like the cigarette studies that said that you

know, cigarettes weren't paid for you, right, exactly? All right, Rocco Costelano in for another session in just a few seven hundred WLW did you know that if you miss any part of our shows, you can catch the podcast of that show on the iHeartRadio app. Did you also know that a snail can sleep for three years? Just think of all our podcasts that could be listening to instead by snails are stupid? From the creator of Up and

Vanished comes a new true crime weekly podcast. Oh that just came out involving nanoparticles, and Rocco is here in the studio to talk about nana. What are nanoparticles? First and foremost, Roco is basically particles that can't be seen by the naked eye. Okay, that's pretty much what it is, all right. So where we would find we'd find nanoparticles everywhere, wouldn't we. Oh yeah, Well, and the nanoparticles that I'm talking about is is in

in a water that's in plastic bottles. Oh so well, and we're finding that there's a nanoparticles and also a microparticles or or or a microplastics, right, and a nanoplastics. Now that uh a study uh I just came out that uh that specifically says that what we thought we were ingesting as as a

microplastics was so far off it wasn't even funny. So now they come to find out through through through a method by using lasers that they can look at the water and they could see and they and they have found up to two hundred and fifty thousand nanoparticles or or nanoplastics, and they're finding out that these nanoplastics or these nanoparticles can pass through and actually congregate in the bloodstream and can might and may possibly pass through the blood brain barrier and and and be stored

into fat and into tissue. Actual ties, what do these nanoparticles from plastics or nanoplastics, what do they what potentially do they do or can they do?

And why is it terrible? So we're not necessarily sure yet because there's no long term studies because we just found out about them, right, So so there's no one saying, oh, well, you know, ten years ago somebody ingested these nanoparticles, and and now we know that they're that they're embedded in their brain, in there in their fat tissue, in their in their size. So we don't know the cause of effect, but people just aren't aware of the fact that they're there, is what you're saying that.

And also we do know what microplastics actually do. So there's microplastics that come from fish that come, you know, because like the ocean's disgustingly filled with with all the you know, all the waste from you know, from you know, all of us, right, well most it's mostly actually Asia and China that are the big polluters. Well too, I mean Canada used to You can't trust the Canadian not at all, you know when but uh, they used to. They used to ship their garbage to the Philippines and just

dump it off off of off shore. And they were going to go to war. The Philippine president said, if you do it again, we're going to go to war. A hospital. Absolutely, yeah, And so so microplastics are being are being found now in people's lungs from and very specifically they believe, Okay, scientists believe that that of the lockdown and the mask of mandates actually are created the microparticles to go deep, deep into the lungs.

I've seen that study absolutely so that so that's there and then the water one is And they've explained how this happens. And it's a pretty wild thing because a plastic h the thinner the plastic, from what I've been told, the thinner the plastic, the more sloughing of the of the nanoparticles happens. So so plastics are very like, very much like your skin. So we we xfoliate and we slough skin off, you know every day, like I mean

millions and millions of of a skin. Masks and bottles they slough the microplastic, Yeah, they slough off. And when you're drinking, uh and and especially thin plastic bottles are going to slough off a lot more. The thicker the plastic, the more. What about this plastic cup, I've got my iced tea and yeah, so that's sloughing. So you're drinking on nano. You're you're you're literally drinking up to two hundred and fifty thousand nan syrofoam cup

that also contains my iced tea. The cyrofoam is just really really bad for you. It's it's a poison. So when you drink anything, especially hot, especially heated foods like coffee and like that, this is iced tea. Yeah, oh yeah, like that makes a really big difference. Well it's not it's not hot anyway. Well, you're telling me that this McDonald's cup, and I just say McDonald's because they could be burger King, it could

be any of those fast food places. Yeah, this is terrible for me drinking out of absolutely, yeah, yeah, absolutely, And the best are you saying glass only, Racco, I've said glass only a Mason Jars. I drink most of my stuff from Mason Jars. And add Ikea. They have these bottles that I actually took the top from gross beer. You know, the like those flip tops. Remember, So the Ikea glass bottles have this plastic one on it. So I took the grocery bottle cap and I

put it on these bottles so that it's there's no plastic. There's no plastic and uh and and there's a ceramic that actually seals it. So so Raco suggests glass and ceramics for your drink. Absolutely, And and a stainless you know, and a stainless steel. What about what about when you keep your leftovers in these microwavable refrigeratable plastics. Yeah, that's dumb, really absolutely dumb. Yeah. So and even you know, I mean I'm guilty of it

on myself. I try to not do it. But you know when you get when you go to the grocery store and you get your meat, your grass fed, grass finished meat wrapped in plastic, you know, you have microplastics in your food already, right, so we need to start, we need to start not putting stuff in plastic. Being aware, well aware, awareness is the first step, because if you don't know, you don't know well, and most people don't know. And that's why we do this segment,

because most people just go along totally ignorant. And you know, literally, you know how many cups of this I've drank in my life. I would have to say hundreds of thousands easily, right, but it makes a good sound in front of the microphone. Yeah, Well, I just want people to really know. And you know, you're not going to be able to completely wean yourself, yeah, because you're always gonna be on the go.

You gonna get something here. So so once we know how to get rid of it, you know, because a lot, a lot of a lot of the microplastics are being found in in a feces uh tests, in urine. There's actually microplastics in in a urine tests now that we're seeing and

and and all over our blood tests. So there this this is a big problem, and we still don't know the long term effects of it yet, you know, because we could you know, there could be a you know, a dementia issue here specifically from these microplastics from the nano of particles. Uh, that could be you know, a brain damage, are tissue down? Who are you? What are we talking about? No, it's serious. It's such a real crazy about the florid thing. And in these ananoparticles

is that the government and the CDC already knew about it. They you can read about a floria, you can read about a microplastics on the CDC website, and still they allow it to be yeah, ubiquitous in our in our food supply and our water supply. Rococostelano has always very enlightening my friend. Thank you Guary. Jeff, you're almost as well spoken as your son. Yeah, the night can't takes a break and comes back at a few seven

hundred WLW. You come back to this nightcap on seven hundred w l W Gary Jeff Walker sitting down checking in once again and tonight rejoining us Edimona before the first of the year to talk about being in some really fascinating recording studios around the country and the artist and the people that he met doing that is

Randy McNutt. He was a writer for the Cincinnati Inquiry, worked there, worked at Ohio Magazine, was freelancing doing journalism, and then decided to start traveling around and going to places and wound up coming up with these wonderful books, And tonight we're focusing on one called Ghosts, Ohio's Haunted Landscapes, Lost Arts and Forgotten Places. There were two other books basically travelogues about things past, but the things that were important as we built to the future. I

think that's a good way of assessing that. Hopefully, Randy, you can help me with that. But Randy McNutt, Happy New Year, and welcome back to the show. Thank you, Jeric, Gary, Jeff, I appreciate it all right. So basically you did you traveled to all these places that were some of them ghost towns, other places that were just a shadow of their former self. So let's start out talking about Boomtown and oil in

Ohio and what used to be well. I traveled around to a lot of the ghost towns, which I define it as a town that no longer exists, or one substantially smaller than it once was, or maybe once swallowed up by a growing community, like places up around Columbus. But I tried to find these things. Usually I just roll into town and find somebody and start

talking to them. But I had heard about Wood County and it's up in central Ohio, and Wood County had plenty of ghost towns, and it was somebody struck oil there, so all the thousands of oil workers descended on the place, and it was Standard Oil owned it, and they had Oh my, there were so many towns that they just kept popping up and there the people just flowed in there, and it went on for oh, I don't know, about twenty years, and suddenly the oil dried up and everybody left

town and the ghost towns just dwindled. Usually what happens is that these towns have a purpose. Maybe they're along a canal or there along a river or someplace transportation oriented, and if something happens to that, the towns have no reason to exist anymore. And that's what happened up in Wood County. I mean, estimation, how many towns were there in woodcot that were boom towns

while there were still oil in the ground that became ghost towns afterwards? You said they were countless, But I mean, you got any idea of how many towns that popped up and then just went away. No, I don't really know for sure, but I'd say there were at least twenty some Oh wow, they were counted, yeah yeah. And they were mainly just served

the oil workers. And they had shacks that were built by a standard oil and in them they would have beds, and then in one bed would be a worker who worked one shift, and then he got out of bed and went to work, and another one was coming off work and he'd get in the same bed. And that's how I guess the term hot bed came along, because the other guy would warm it up. Well, I don't know that I want to sleep in the same bed that another oil worker is sleeping.

But they, I mean, they had they had banks and restaurants and bars in the whole thing. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I found a guy. I came into a town called Signette, and it was the biggest town in Wood County that was sort of the hub of all this stuff. And I knocked around and went to one business and the guy said, you should talk to Max Schaeffer. He's he's the local historian and barber and

he knows everything about it. And Max was in his eighties. So I tracked the guy down and it was an interesting experience because Max knew everything about it. And he said, well, if you want, we can go out on the road and I'll point these places out to you. And so we're driving along and he would say I'd just be driving. He'd says, stop tank Town, and I'd look and there wasn't anything there, and then we'd take off again and he would say Signette or whatever town, and so

usually there was nothing there, but he could remember all these stories. So he was born in one of these little towns, and oh, my gosh, what would happen is they have this thing called a go devil and he would put that down into the ground and it would They would put nitroglyster and it would explode and then bring the oil up. Well, as you can imagine, back then, they carried this stuff in wagons, so every so often somebody they would just hear this an explosion, and somebody would turn to

the other one and say, well, there it goes Joe. And the wagon wheel would hit a bumper or a stone or something and the'd shake it, shake the wagon and the nitro was it was so explosive that it would just blow up, and it was immense. And one time they had a gigantic explosion and that it broke out windows for towns within fifty miles. It was. It was incredible what they had going. But Max, he he

saved everything he had in the back of his little mobile home. He had a big shd and he brought all this stuff out and he put it on his living room floor and he started to get it out and he would read, you know, yellow newspaper clippings and musty files, photos, maps, and so he handed he handed a piece of paper to me, and he had jotted around all the edges of it, notes and one of them says European Hotel girls booze gambling rough. The European Hotel, he said, was

a crazy place, one big fight breaking out constantly. Once some guys fired a cannon into a wall, busting a big hole in it. All the guests came running outside like ants. Now, if you're wondering how those fools managed to find a cannon, I can tell you for certain that in oil towns you have access to anything. So that's that kind of stuff happened.

As you're driving with Max through Wood County talking to Randy McNutt on ghost towns in Ohio's particularly tonight when you're driving around and he said, stop and there's nothing there was there, no semblance of anything left. Was it just open fields? Were there dilavidated buildings? Were their houses? What did you see a lot of times we'd just be driving along and he would say dead town and I'd look, but nothing there. Other times there would be a few

shacks or something. But in Ohio you don't have too many ghost towns that are intact like out West, because around here, you know, I have a lot of humidity and everything and the wood deteriorates. There are some like in Shawnee, Ohio. It's like an almost like an abandoned town, like a wild West looking thing, and you can roam around. Nobody is there except a few people. But anyway, Max would would yell to us and he'd say railroad station, cup store, and I'd stop and it might be

a you know, dilapidated house or something. And so we stopped in one town and he said, this is where I was born, And there was a couple dilapidated homes and one of them where is where Max was actually born. I think it might have been a town called Galatia. There was a few few towns left, and somebody had spray painted on one side of an abandoned church. Haunted house, Entered your own, entered your own risk, and so one science says former home of Bob Evans. Max turned to me

and said, the sausage man didn't linger. I'll tell you what that's That's a good place to leave it for the break. The sausage man didn't linger. Randy McNutt, our guest of the Nightcap, talking about ghost towns and haunted landscapes and lost arts forgotten places around Ohio. Up next, we'll briefly touch on the Miami Erie Canal and the lost places that accompanied that. As we continue. Do you know how much once ou WLW? I'm Gary,

Jeff and our guests in this half hour. Randy McNutt continuing to talk about ghosts, Ohio's haunted landscapes, lost arts, forgotten places. A book he wrote years ago. It's part of a three book set. Now is this Are these books still in print? Randy, Yeah, they're still in print. They just keep going. I wrote Ghosts in nineteen ninety six than I did the follow up Lost Ohio, more travels into haunted landscapes, ghost towns, and forgotten wives. And then ten years later I did one called Finding

Utopia. And I know, you wait, I know where Utopia is. It's right on fifty two on the way to see my friends in Ripley in Brown County. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And when I was working at the Inquirer, I was the bureau chief in Claremont County and I would get out and search for a lot of ghost towns, and that was one of them. It used to be a commune and it you know, they were they were communists and not like we think of a communists today, but

they were communal members. And so that's what happened there was they had a commune, they grew everything themselves, and then the Ohio River came up and flooded the place out, killed a number of people, and that was the end of Utopian. It's not a good place to live in a floodplain, no, no, no, not really hard to get insurance there. But the all that's left today there's a few houses around and a little store.

But under underground there's an interesting, an interesting little enclosure. I don't know what you call it, but it's uh, it's under under the ground. You go down with the ladder and you get in there and there's a fireplace somehow in there, and it's made of stone, all all the stones, like a stone fence, you know. It's top bottom. It's just like a room. And so I'd heard about it and I thought i'd like to

see it. So I'm standing standing out there and I see where it is you can go down, and all of a sudden, I hear this screeching pickup truck heading for me a fast beat, and woman jumps out and said, what are you doing. I said, well, you know, I'm writing this book. I'd like to like to check this out. She said, well, okay. So she gets out a clipboard and she goes sign here and it was a It just said, you know, if something would happen to me, she has no responsibilities. It's what they call a c

ya waiver that yeah. And so I went down. I looked and it was an amazing little room. I mean, I thought, what did they use this? And so she said, well, it could have been a chapel. I said, a chapel underground, okay. And then there's other theories about what it was, you know, some kind of double worship or play or something whatever. Well, what about what about maybe just because of the proximity to the Ohio River, you know, and and Ripley down downstream

there a little bit and the ranking House. Maybe it had something to do with the underground railroad. Possibly possible, Yeah, possible. It was an old thing, I mean it was. You can tell that it was built a long time ago, probably in those days them tell me about the Miami Erie Canal. Well, the canal was built in the made in twenty and eighteen twenties or so. Yeah, And it ran all the way across the top of Ohio on down through the western part of Ohio. And there were

ghost towns that were all along there to serve the canal. The canal boats and stuff that would stop, and the canal would take farmer's crops and anything else to be sold down to Cincinnati and then to the Ohio River and on down to New Orleans wherever it was going. And a lot of the towns were thriving places. One grew from one thousand, five hundred people to twenty eight thousand within ten years. Yeah, And so they were the towns thrived.

And the interesting thing about the canal was that twenty years after it was built or made, it was pass a and the railroads came in and that their tracks ran parallel to the canal, and the canals boat came carrying all the materials needed, the iron and the wood and everything to make the tracks. So really the canals helped build the railroad that way and precipitate their own

demise in the process. Yeah, exactly. And the canal, the canal ran all the way down to Cincinnati, and it ran up around where Central Parkway is today. And after so many years, the canal wasn't used anymore, but it just stayed there and it was kind of a stagnant thing, and when it froze and winter, kids would get out and ice skate on it. But all the hogs that were slaughtered, their blood ran down into the canal and it was just a reddish brown and the canal. Finally they

closed the canal. An interesting thing was that I wrote this book and I had this story about the canal, and one day I was in my office where I worked at the Inquirer, and a guy count comes up to the door and comes in and he's carrying these rolled up tubes and he says, hey, I read your book. I loved it. I'm an artist and I've painted two painting, two pictures of the canal around Cincinnati. And he said, I've got limited edition prints. He said, I'm going to give

you the two and how nice. You know, it was very It's very nice. It showed all the old factories around the canal and things like that. I'm in the canal boats and it must have been a very dreary place to live around there. But yeah, there were a lot of these ghost towns that were just you know that today there might be something there, and

a few of them others they don't. There's nothing left. And so this ran from western New York basically where the Erie Canal started, and then ran into Ohio, yeah, Middletown and Hamilton and into cinc Yes, that's right. Yeah, there was There were locks in between to raise the level of water, and some of those still exist, one up in Excello near Middletown and it's little park. Another one north of Hamilton. There's part of the canal you can actually see and it's in a county park. But the Canal

still has places where it exists. Down in Rialto is a ghost town, oh off of Route seven four seven, north of the Tri County Mall, and it's the canal is in the old town, which is not much anymore, but there's some homes and you can see it. It's empty. And I went through there and I found some old guy that had lived there for many years, and they knew of a lot of stories from the twenties about about this. But I was really fortunate that I could do my book in

the early nineties. I could write it and I had people that I found that actually had lived in these places or their parents had, and they had a lot of first hand accounts. If I did it today, I wouldn't find them, No, No, you'd have to find anything that they may have written down, or someone that might be related to them still around. But yeah, thirty years later, you're not finding any one hundred and ten hundred and fifteen year old people that can give you direct firsthand stories. There

were a lot of that. The canal is was littered with dead people, mainly Irish immigrants, a few Germans, and they'd pay him thirty cents a day to dig the canal with picks, shovels and wheelbarrows. You know, they had no equipment to do it. And this would have been in the eighteen twenties and thirties, and it's said that there was a guy died every sixth feet. Wow. Now yeah, and when they would when they when the workers would get really tired, one guy said, we'd give them a

jigger of whiskey and keep them going. And in one cemetery there's a thousand of them buried. And part of the problem was they would get malaria because a lot of this stretch that came down here was wooden and swampy. It was, it came through the Black Swamp. So yeah, it was. It was a pretty hideous job. Would I want to find out more? Maybe we can focus in on some particular towns again like Signet, like we did in the first segment. But it's always great to talk to you man.

You're such a great traveling historian of the stuff that you've written, and I'm looking forward to I'm looking forward to reading the Ghosts books and series of that because I've I just find that kind of stuff like Lost America really fascinating. Randy McNutt on the Nightcap. Thank you, my friend, and happy New Year to you, and we'll continue and oh thanks for tuning in tonight on the Nightcap. We're trying to give you a reason to stick around.

So I thought nothing better, no one better to provide some really really eloquent and compelling stories and thoughts and opinions than my buddy Andy Furman. But you must have got the wrong number. You much out the wrong number, real compelling, interesting, everybody's I just heard a click. I heard a real big click right now, please come back, come back, really, come on, really, But the good news is what I told to you first of the Happy New Year. Have you belated? Happy New Year? And

Glidu said, another year with you on the big one. It's my pleasure. Hold on. It was my birthday December twenty second. You didn't say anything about that. I sent you a freaking Christmas call. What else do you want to give? I mean, come on, really mean people that have to have to hand out all the time go on a street corner and have your hand out, really don't deal with me. All right, I

didn't get anything from you. My birthday was the sixteenth. I got nothing, not even a card, Andy, you didn't get my gift December sixteenth. No, and I probably won't. I probably won't. Have you checked for porch pirates in your neighborhood. Oh no, you know what, Thank goodness, they don't have any ext You know what is a computer keek? We have every freaking camera. I could find their footsteps, their breadth would be taken. My son is an it genius. He's got it all lights,

camera action. If you couldn't let ten feet I put a lot of a lot of thought and some expense into your gift, and I'm really upset. I'm in fact, I'm to the point where I'm saying I'm pissed that you didn't receive my lovely gift for your birthday. Andy. That's okay,

that's all right. Maybe it's the US Post Office. But you know, the beauty about my talking with you in our little chats every once a week is that I could sway away from the world of sports, which I love to you know, I love this mid my life, my livelihood, you know, putting meals on my table. But you know, once in a while with you, you're so well versed and you could talk about just about anything. You really can and you know, you know just about enough to

get by to fool the public. You know about every subject. And here's here's what I want to touch on today. And if you if you think it's boring, tell me. You know, I watch TV and I see commercials, and the commercials that scratched my head. We're number one in car sales, We're the number one most watched newscas. And I'm saying, like, shouldn't there be some sort of like credibility factor. Shouldn't there be some backup? Like who tell me that? I'm not trying to ben out the

TV stations. I love all the TV anchors, I love them, all of the sports guys. But there's one TV station which I won't name, say they were the most watched TV station news in Cincinnati. It's Local twelve. It's Local twelve, Andy, It's Local twelve. It's obvious they're the most well that commercial But how did they say it is with there's no a no backing up of that, no numbers, no figures. So number two B Channel nineteen has news like twenty two out of the twenty four hours in

a day. How could they have for to Channel nineteen? I don't. I don't look, I'm not trying to cause a ruckus or problem car dealers. We're number one, number one on what sales revenue. How do you just throw out a number to an advertisement without any backup? How do you get away with that? We're number one? And to me, am I the only one that feels that way. Yes, funny, it's advertising. Advertising puts your product in the most positive way. Crew, So so if

it's got to be true, guests, doesn't have to be true. It's advertising. Can you tell me advertising as falls? I mean, when we were calling something, when we were calling ourselves, it's not going to be that. When some matter w l W called itself the big One, were they talking about a personality swants or were they talking about What were they talking about when they said the big one? You worked here? When it was

the bag. They're the largest audience, the biggest ratings, and the also signals just one just because we said so, it said so, but wasn't so. It was so? Well, maybe maybe a local twelve, maybe a local twelve. On the way on the Saturday show, you have joe Le barbera, I love the music professor, and I listened he's on w d JO. They could not go on the air and call themselves a big

one. They're not seven hundred WLW is okay all right? So uh, maybe Local twelve is according to the rating services that they use to determine who's the number, maybe they are in act the most watched news in Cincinnati and not Fox nineteen or anybody else. Okay, if they are the most watched news, and they may very well be, tell me who told you that you are pointing to two. You're a news organization. You would not go

on there without a source. You would not say that I saw such and such getting shot in the street according to who You got to have a source, and there's no source there. That's all I'm saying. I feel so much better. There's a difference between saying something in an ad and say and reporting a news story that may have life or death consequences. There's a vast difference between that is self promotion, that's rights, and it is something I

would purchase. I to go to the advertising department of seven hundred WW and take an ad out. If I own the Hamburger stand and call it furman Berger's and take them out, Okay, I probably had the commercial read we sell the best burgers in town. Who's gonna challenge me? You'll take my money and run those ads. Well, there's plenty of people that might challenge you when they heard those ads, because I just can't imagine you being the

proprietor of a burger place where the burgers actually taste good. Well, look, I had a sports cafe. I have Furman Sports Cafe back in the day in Norwood, and I never had commercials on the radio that said we're the best pizza. We had. We had good bar pizza, We really did. I never said that we had the best bar pizza in town. I'm just saying that there should be some sort of a monitoring device, a monitoring person or agency that says, look, say what you want to say,

but at least have statistical residence to back it up. Again, I'm not attacking News twelve Channel twelve. I love them, I love Sheila Gray, I love them all I do. But if you're going to say you're the most watched news show or whatever by who, I'm sure I'm sure. I'm sure it's Arbitron or Nielsen or someone, and I'm sure they have to stand up. Well, so what is on the screen? Slap it on the screen on the bottom of the screen. Come on, that's all we

need more. Come on, a more microscopic disclaimers on the screen. Those things drive me to distraction. I can't stand them. I never read them because they go by their their smith. They're printed in small prints, so you can't read them anyway. I don't think it really matters if it's self promotion or an ad Who are you trying to protect by making them stand up to their claim? You protect the general public to protect people like you and

me, jeez, because I'm not gonna believe everything I read. Come on, really, you cannot. You cannot protect everything they inquire way. You could make fun of the Inquirer all you want. And I understand sometimes the news is forty eight hours late because of the deadline, but I never challenged the news stories because they're credible. Their reporters check check and check. You know, there's there's some credibility factor here, you know, you just I

don't know. I don't know that the Inquirer reporters check check and check. They might check once. I think they do. I don't know. I think they do. I mean, and they talk about the Inquirer. They'll print anybody anything in their papers. The hell they even print your you're up in sometimes and they go over that with a fine tooth. Cam believe me, do they? Well, it's an opinion, So what what does it matter whether it's a fact or opinion. If it's if it's in the opinion

page and the editorials. It's an opinion. You don't have to back it up with facts. What are you talking about? You back a pin up? I did an opinion piece. I didn't believe I did. I did an op that piece, and someone kind of with some NFL player who ran for a thousand yards. It broke some sort of a record, as say, wait, run for a thousand yards, but they play sixteen seventeen ball

games now in the NFL. Back when they play twelve games in the NFL, running for a thousand yards with a benchmark not now that's a that's my opinion. I guess. I guess they the people who signed Joe Mixon's contract didn't take into account that it's seventeen games and it's not a big deal. After he just got a three hundred and fifty thousand dollars incentive the last the last week of the season, the last game of the season, for going

over a thousand yards and scoring so many touchdowns in a seventeen games. See, you know what, To compare what happens back in the twelve game seasons to now is like night and day. Because money right now is not even based on status's based on how much my my other guy makes in that position. The barometer was set in the quarterback race. You problem Cleveland, where Deshaun Watson made that kind of money. He pushed everybody up the ladder.

And that's what it's all about. Stats nothing. That's what's something Saturday that your stats don't do. Now are incentives. You know, when Jamar Chase caught those four passes on Sunday, I'm sure there was something in his contract that said he's gonna get another one hundred and fifty thousand dollars if he reaches one hundred receptions. That's what stats are for now, incentives, not for contracts, but for incentives. What were they before? Four before based a

contract on that you had a bad year. You know, hey, go back, there'll be some history. You know what when a bay Bruce said he wanted one hundred thousand dollars back to twenty seven. They said, you'll be making more than the president. You know what, he said, I had a better yet than the president. He said he was right, He was right anyway. Anyway, what I was saying is, who are you? You're trying to protect the general public from an ad? It's just a

commercial andy, and just because because because what give you say? In other words, you you could watch anything on TV and they could smook you into anything, and you have no mind. That says to my scratch your head and say, see, I wonder where they got that stat from one If it's true, that doesn't bother you. You just let it go like a flowing water off your back. You know what, I I sample, I sample the product, and then I just don't believe the ad. So no

big deal, no harm done. You know what it's not. It's not a local twelves or a car dealership's job or you know, Burger joints job to educate the public. They're there to serve and there to make the money. I've never been honest with the public. You and I are such opposite as of the spectrum. The really let me give you an idea of what I'm talking about. When nobody is honest with the public with their advertising. I was a spokes now I was. I was a spokesperson, the radio

spokesperson years ago for Arby's here in town. And I love Arby's and it's a great franchise. I'm not demeaning it at all. But when they would introduce a new sandwich, they would bring the new sandwich into the radio studio so I could know what I was talking about when I did the ad. Now, when they brought that sand when they brought that sandwich into the studio, Andy, it looked like it was it was concocted by a five star

award, five Michelin Star, James Beard Award winning show, Jeff. When I'd go to the when I'd go to the restaurant, any any of the Army's restaurants and order that same sandwich, it looked and tasted nothing like the one they brought me to convince the general public that this was the greatest sandwich that they'd ever come out with, at least in the last six months.

That happens all the time you won, your name was attached to telling the people out there have go out and buy it because it wasn't meaning your satisfaction. I don't feel bad about that at all. They paid me and they gave me some free food, and some of it was okay. But what I'm saying is if you look at McDonald's ad, you look at an Arby's ad, you look at any of these food ads where they're showing the product on the commercial, it hardly ever looks like that when you actually order it.

It never looks like what looks like on TV. There should be a disclaimer under your guys, there should be a disclaimer on every food ad said product may not appear as delicious in person. To be honest with you, I'm not too sure. I've seen a lot of those products and what they look like on TV and what they look like in person, I don't compare. I mean, I see a lot of Burger King commercials on TV and they splap it on there for like three seconds and then it's off. So

it's basically people talking more than eating on those commercials. No, No, you're trying to discount my correct argument on this. Now, you don't have to be you don't have to be completely honest and advertising if you're saying something that is patently false, that's another issue. But not showing the accreditation for oh, we've got the best burger in town. You know, I'm sorry,

you just go way overboard. And you know what, you think government, some government agency, the FTC or the FCC or some of their one of those alphabet overblown agencies we've got that our taxpayer dollars are waste on in this country for no good reason, just to protect stupid people. I mean, I'm sorry, you just are one of those. The government is everybody's daddy. No it's not. It's not supposed to be andy. You know

what surviving dement protect. If you don't have government agencies at least being some sort of a watch dog, you know what, you're gonna have the wild West, the wild West, open wild West like it was back in the day. All I'm telling you is this. You could have some schlock store on TV telling you bring your car in here, we'll take care, we'll give you a free muffler, we'll give you whatever it means. And it's not if it's not checked out, if it's not honest, what are you

doing? I mean, you've fooled the public. But I'm going back to my original statement here. If you're going to make a statement, just back it up with statistical facts. That's all I'm saying. I'm not trying to say being honest. To back up your statement statistically and being honest. If you're the most watched news program or entity in town, fine, God bless you. I'm happy that you are. But where'd you get that information from?

You're you're a news entity. You said, no better. If you're telling people you're the most watched, tell me who told you you're the most watched. That's all I'm saying. Okay, let's see. I'm I'm looking here. I'm looking here for the ratings, uh local local news fact sheet. Here we go state of the news media. And I'm I'm not getting I didn't I didn't enter in Cincinnati, So I'm sorry. Uh. But

what I was saying is is that that is again a promotion. You're not gonna say, well, you know we're number two, but we're we're trying real hard to be number one. That's that would be ridiculous. That wouldn't be the kind of advertising you would use to promote your product. All right, All I'm saying is this, and maybe because she's never worked in a

newsroom, you don't unders stand if they don't mention that. Okay, and it comes out that they're not number one, how do you believe any of the stories that they do on the air, because basically they're giving you full shoot information to begin with on their own party. Think about that. Think about you don't argue with me for the sake of arguing no, no,

you know I'm right, You're missing the point. You're missing the point when you make that argument with me because I don't believe most of what they projects news and on mainstream media. I really don't half the stuff. Half the stuff is proper. I want you to have your mind or just down the

middle, get away from your your normal thoughts process. You're seeing the station that says were the most watched news in town, most watched, okay, and then it comes out that maybe John T'sweather rights somewhere on this radio TV thing, that they're not the most watched that channel nineteen is And all of a sudden, they still having these stories. Aren't you going to see Wait

a second, that's the station that's lied to me. They like to me when they said they the most watched, and now you know they get this story over here about you know this, this guy is going to blow up a crater on whatever's going to be. I don't know this teacher is going to get arrested. Is it true? Do I believe? I don't know. I don't believe their own ratings. Think about that for a second. I mean, don't use John Keiswetter as an example, not a good example.

Back when why not? You know what? You don't have anything. He's ANXI. He's an X. He's an ex writer for The Inquirer. He used to write media until radio TV for w v XU. On his website, he still he beats the Inquirer on many stories he does. He once featured me on the front page of the live section of The Inquirer when he was writing for them. And anybody who's going to feature me as a big deal and should be touted by local news cannot be trusted. Ever,

Andy, listen to you. You have you have like a niche to get any deal, a which to attack every person and everybody. You really do, and it's not right. You really, I think you need professional help. So I think you're going to see some some professional people. And I love you to death, I do, but I think you need to see somebody just to you know, get your mind. Would who should should have you got? Have you got? I don't know a psychiatrist, psychologists that

you think I should that you would recommend. Now you're playing with me. You know what, I'm sure with your listening audience, someone could call up and say, Gary, I could probably help you. And who's who's the number one shrink in Cincinnati because you could direct me to them? And and you wouldn't know that unless, of course they advertise themselves as that way. But you know what, those doctors don't do that. See first of all,

doctors and shrinks don't normally advertise on TV. I don't think I thought lawyers, syster lawyers, they do do, and they cause more instead of bad doctor most times. I'll give you an example by the lawyer advertising on TV. All right? And I wrote him a letter the other day, Blake Maslin, I'm watching the Bengals game, I wrote him. I said, did Blake, I never met you. I'd love to meet you. However, I saw your commercial on TV and I wish you the best.

I wish your success. I'm sure you have success. If you aren't watching that commercial for the first time, you have no idea what the hell you do. It doesn't say you're an attorney. There were boxing gloves with the Bengals. I don't know that he's an attorney or not. Think about that. What's that commercial? When you see it again? Right, are you ready to that? Are you ready ready for what you do? Mil I love that commercial. It's full of energy and it has for the very first

time. If you just turned it on, you have no idea what he does, what he sells. Really, I'm just saying, and maybe it's not bad it's bad advertising. Then if you don't know what he does, well, obviously if it's having a success I've done most of his business might be word of mouth, I don't know, and probably is successful. Maybe with the Bengals, I don't know what it is. If you can afford TV advertising, eat success might be doing well. Yes, well, I'm

saying, is a PR guy. I'm a I've been most of my life a PR guy in sports. I'm looking at that commercial and say, I scratching my head. I have no idea what this guy does. Really, I really don't and just remember lastly thing was out of curiosity to call that number. Maybe that was sometime sometime when you scratch your head, it's just lice. Just remember that fur ball, fur ball, Happy New Year, God bless you bye. You're getting it in the natty. That's pointful of

us. Until the big timey statue and this sea views Musketeers playing host egg Yukon Husky. He's a primetime spotlight event and the Muskies are looking to put on a show. Get the call live from the Sinta set tomorrow ninety eight on seven hundred wl W and seven hundred wl w's live stream on the Pretty iHeartRadio app. It's the new year. Time to get credit card debt free, wipe it all out now with the loan Prado it's Eddie rates are joining

us. A guest has been with us many many times, and he's back so often because he has been so often right about important things concerning the climate. The executive director of the Climate Science Coalition and the author of Now how many books are there? Steve for Gary Jeff, Happy New Year, Happy New Year to you. Started with the mad mad mad mad mad world of climatism, and then outside the Green Box, and the newest one is The

Green Breakdown, Which one did I miss well? The original was Climatism. I wrote that in twenty ten, and it was a hardcover book and four hundred pages, and then I went on with the color page after that, with a bunch of sarcastic sidebars about this whole thing. We love sarcastic sidebars

here, all right, Steve Gorham. The new book is The Green Breakdown, where you forecast, and I believe you correctly forecasted the coming failure of all these green energy plots and plans to get us away from fossil fuels. And we'll be getting into that obviously in this discussion tonight, but I wanted to start with telling you this morning. The first my wife always gets up before me, and she's got what's passing for news on the TV. You

know, it's local mainstream TV. God bless them. They do a wonderful job letting me know what the weather is. But when they try to tell me what the weather's going to be six months, a year, ten years from now, I have my doubts. So anyway, this morning I just got out and got my first cup of coffee and sat down just is. One of the news anchors said was reading a story about how twenty twenty three is going down on record as the hottest year. Ever, how many times

do we hear this and it's simply not true. Yeah, that's what they're saying, and they are, and then they qualify it. They say since eighteen eighty And it may be that that is the case since eighteen eighty we've had about one degree temperature rise in one hundred and forty years. But they always say the hottest year ever, which isn't the case if you look back in history and use of proxy evidence to go back in warmer times in the past. But it makes great headlines. Yeah, well, here's the thing.

There was no disclaimer said since the eighteen eighties it was And you know what for the average television viewer who's not hip to real data like you and I have become because this is what we're studying. But for the average person who number one has a limited amount of information purposely I believe also has the most of us have the attention span of goldfish. If not. You know, so, we're drive by news people. I think Rush Limball used to

call it the drive by news. You just you drive by, you hear a headline and you think, well, you know the story without them going into the full details. So I think that's what's happening. Again, I think that's the case. Unfortunately, it's most of these climate articles are wrong when you really look, if you look into the evidence, if you're going a little bit deeper and look at the evidence, you find that they're not correct. But yeah, that's that's the latest headline, the hottest year on

record from the BBC, for example. But that record only that's the thermometer record down back to eighteen eighty and there as many many examples of of when it's been warmer in the past. Uh. There's also news headlines about uh there from ice fields in Norway that are receding. They finding out all these human artifacts from a while back. Every time glaciers in Switzerland pullback, they find horse bridles and wagon wheels. There's a white spruce stump in the Northwest

Territory of Canada that's that's about fifty kilometers above the tree line. What's it doing up there? They radiocarbon dated and it's about four four or five thousand years old, so it was warmer back four or five thousand years ago than it is today. I don't believe. I don't believe there were as many human beings expelling CO two then, and there certainly weren't fossil fuel vehicles or appliances then, So what what else could It was almost nothing until about World

War two. That's really where the modern industrial emission and start to rise. And in the case of the oceans, for example, NASA points out that the oceans have been rising for twenty thousand years. They've risen three hundred and ninety feet one hundred and twenty meters in twenty thousand years. But we've only been omitting any CO two since about the end of World War two. So these things are mostly driven by natural factors, and man made additions are very

very small. Yeah, I mean almost negligible, within just a few tents or hundreds of percentage points, right, Yeah, But that's not what the press says. They say, Boy, you know, we were in the we've entered the area of global warming, the United Nations says. And I was trying to remember if I talked about Hillary Clinton on the last one,

former senator and presidential candidate. She wants to start counting climate depths. Now, she saw how effective that was with COVID nineteen, when you could look up every day and see the number of deaths worldwide. Well, she wants to do a daily total of climate deaths worldwide. Well, so you know, this is all a messaging thing, and you want to talk about that

particular issue, and it's not your field of expertise nor mine. But we found out that about as many as two thirds of the people listed as dying from COVID actually died with COVID and they died of something else. So even those numbers have been inflated to levels that stretched the bonds of believability to me anyway, Yeah, they were distorted. But climate deaths would really be goofy because all of the evidence shows that warmer weather is better for people and they

get less. You know, all our illness occurs during the winter months, COVID and influenza and everything else. That's when people get sick and when they get congested and all the rest. And more people die during cold months, warm months in every nation of the world. So climate counting climate deaths would really be goofy. A little bit of warm it would be great. I was out there shoveling snow this morning, and I'd have to start a group

called Chicagoans for Global Warming. Are you do live in the suburbs of Chicago? Is that correct? Southwest suburbs. Yeah, it's really the first snow we've had this year. And even I was talking to a radio guy in Minnesota this year their first snow up there. It's been a little bit of a low snow year. But we got a lot of folks predict that snow is going to disappear. Doctor David Weiner of the UK Meteorological Office said in

about two thousand he said children won't even know what snow is. But the crazy thing and by the way, we have about there's about thirty lawsuits states that are suing oil companies around the country, and particularly in Colorado. The ski industry is suing oil companies because snow is disappearing. But the crazy thing is that it's really not disappearing. Your listeners can go to a thing called

the Rutgers Global Snow Lab at Rutgers University and satellite data. They measure snow extent, which is the amount of area that is covered by snow every fall, winter, and spring and the data shows that despite a little bit warmer temperatures, we've actually had snow that's increasing in the winter, snow extent and increasing in the fall. It is declining in the spring, but overall it's very, very solid and it's not going away. Snow is still with us.

And of course this year, if anybody, even the drive by people have been paying attention, they have mentioned this on mainstream news. We're being affected in this country by El Nina's out in the Pacific, which is a warmer pattern that has nothing to do with man made production of fossil fuels or the use thereof Well, that's the thing is Earth's climate is driven by cycles,

and our weather is driven by cycles. There are long term cycles that drive the ice ages every twenty to one hundred thousand years, and those are affected by Earth's position and our orbit, the tilt of our axis, the precession of our axis. Then we have cycles about every fifteen hundred years that they think are driven by the Sun, which account for warm periods during the Medieval Warm period one thousand years ago and the Roman Warm period two thousand years

ago when the Romans conquered the Mediterranean. With those the soldiers wearing those short skirts. And then we have short cycles, short term cycles, as you say, the Aino Southern oscillation. We have a Pacific decatal oscillation, a temperature cycle in a Pacific. We have an Atlantic multi decatal oscillation. And these things move a degree or two over forty sixty years. And that's happening all over the world. And those things are not from your neighbor's sport utility.

Well, these are these are natural factors, all right. More with Steve Gorham in a moment as we continue on this night cap seven hundred w l W Progressive commercial presss plung haul dramas the night covered Dale's Ring in a blink. Well, listen to the author of the Green Breakdown, which predicts the coming failure of all these these green things that they're asking us to adopt

in our lives and forsake fossil fuels. And Steve, once again, we're already seeing lots of lots of cracks, lots of chinks in the armor of the green New Deal folks who are pressing us to you know, collect cattle farts and stop breathing and stop using gas stoves and all the rest. So what is the latest example of that. Have you got an example where the green energy thing just isn't working for people? Was a bunch of them.

You mentioned the cattle. We have a lot of restrictions that nations are trying to put in place for the agriculture industry, and the farmers are pushing back. In Netherlands, in New Zealand, in Germany and many other places. They're trying to say, well, don't use nitrogen synthetic nitrogen fertilizer, which is used in about half of the world's food production because it produces greenhouse gases. And then you got those problems with cattle roaming around and emitting methane from

the nose end and the tail end. Some people are talking about feeding seedweed, seaweed. The cattle is trying to so much for grass, grass fed beef, huh, seaweed and reduce those emissions. That's kind of a goofy thing. Matter of fact, in Australia, about ten years ago they actually passed a law that said you could they have these things they call a feral

camels. There's about a million camels roaming Australia and emitting methane from the nose end and the tail end, and they were actually giving carbon credits for a little while if you were shooting camels. So I think they've stopped that practice. But that was actually a law that was passed by the Australian legislature. But there's a bunch of bunch of crazy things going on, and these things are going to meet higher energy prices. They're going to mean electric electricity blackouts.

The more we push this green energy, let's freedom, because they want to take away electric vehicles and your gas stoves. And by the way, the President invoked let's see the Defense Production Act a couple months ago because it was you know, must have been a climate emergency, so it's an act that's supposed to be used in times of war. The product the Defense Production Act Act to come up with one hundred and sixty nine million dollars to subsidize

heat pumps for people. So that's the latest. Let's declare an emergency and try and use the Defense Production Act on the climate, and then we're going to have transnational energy shocks like they have in Europe right now. In England, they have winter energy bills that are two or three thousand pounds, are very very high. People are putting. We've actually in New England, we're over one thousand dollars in an average size house for winter energy bills as well.

But in England they're putting newspaper on the inside of their windows. They're actually coating their windows to try and cut down their energy use and insulate their places. And the International Energies Agency calls that being more efficient, but it's really a loss of standard of living. But this is why this is going to break down, because people are not going to put up with this. At some point, they're going to demand a return to low cost, reliable

energy, right of which we have in abundance. It's the biggest producer of petroleum in the world, the biggest producer of natural gas. We kept the lights on in Europe last winter literally between ourselves and Qatar shipping very large amounts

of liquified natural gas to Europe. We ship propane. Most of the propane, the liquid propane gas that is produced the United States goes to more than half of it is exported, goes to Asia and goes to India where they distribute it to people so they don't have to try and heat their homes with the charcoal or with cow dung or other sorts of things. So we're really

an energy pillar in the world today, and it's a great thing. Unfortunately, it seems like our government wants us to get rid of all that and buy all sorts of expensive batteries and metals from China for cars and put up wind and solar and get rid of our advantage in hydrocarbon fuels. Do you see a story where the green idiots, as I like to call them in England, I believe, were slashing the tires of tesla's. I thought that was the answer. Drive a tesla, save the planet. Yeah, they

said they were big cars though. See, big cars are bad. It's not only ones that burn gasoline or diesel. If they're big, they're bad. So we got to get rid of all the cars to put everybody in cities, get rid of the suburbs. Yeah, the crazy protests, no no bound you know, especially those people that glue themselves to the floor in

the museum. You know what I would do with those folks. I would just cover them with the tarp and I'd leave them glued on the floor there, and when they were sitting in their own waist, they'd eventually decide well, maybe this isn't such a good idea, but it's really sad what's going on in a lot of places. Well, it's sad the idiot, see and that just the nodding along to the narrative that fossil fuels and carbon are killing the planet. The planet is greening and see it. And we're actually

not at record levels of CO two by any means. You mentioned the fertilizer that's being zeroed in on, and to eliminate that, the nitrogen fertilizer. A lot of people, a lot of people have been attacking that for many, many years, a nitrogen fertilizer. One of the problems the Earth had with agriculture was as shortage a fertilizer. It's for all of history, it's been a struggle for farmers to get enough nitrogen into crops, and they used

to use a manure. Of course, if you look, I've got in my in my third book, Outside of Green Box, I had a picture of a guy standing on skulls this huge pile. He was like a forty foot tall pile of bison skulls. What they did was they were killing the bison and they're grinding up their bones for a fertilizer, and then off the west coast of Australia and Peru, they discovered these three hundred foot high hills of batguano and bird guano and they started shipping that all around the world.

But by nineteen hundred it looked like the world was just going to be short of fertilizer because the population was growing and we didn't have enough. And then a couple of Germans found a way to synthesize nitrogen from the air from nitrogen gas. They made an ammonia and nitrogen fertilizer under high pressure and high temperature, and they first they used all that to go into the German war machine to build ammunition. But by the end of World War Two those plants were

converted to fertilizer plants. Literally, about half of the world's population today wouldn't be here if we didn't find a way to create synthetic nitrogen. That's another thing that green idiots want is they want population reduction. It's anti human.

It's not just anti fossil fuels. The whole movement to me is anti human because if everything happened the way they see it happening to save the environment, they would actually destroy about a billion, maybe two billion, maybe more people because they simply wouldn't be tenable to continue to live and pay to live. Tell me if referring to the new book The Green Breakdown by Steve Gorum,

I don't know if you've got this. I just heard this the other day though, that wind turbines, which are such a darling of the green crowd, actually require eighty gallons of oil to operate, to lubricate. Is that is that something like that true, Steve, as far as you know, well they do they use. You wouldn't have wind turbines without Without steel,

which is produced from hydrocarbons. Without composites for the wind turbine blades, which is produced by the chemical industry from natural gas and from from hydrocarbons, you wouldn't have wind turbins. You wouldn't have cement for the base. By the way, when you when you produce cement from calcium carbonate, you emit loads of carbon dioxide just producing cement for for for concrete, and then you have to use a bunch you have a bunch of furnaces to make the concrete.

So everything that goes into producing a wind turbine is produced from hydrocarbons, and that's that's often the case these it's not only wind turbines too, it's it's you know, we just had about eighty thousand delegates that in Dubai at Top twenty eight and they were all wearing suits that were synthetics from hydrocarbons and shoes and ties, and they flew in on aircraft that we're burning jet fuel. So our modern society is based on coal, oil and natural gas, and

it's going to be a long, long long time before that changes. Well, that's kind of refreshing news. In the meantime, we're going through the birthing pains of people who are uninformed. And in it is the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW. I am Gary Jeff Walker, and our next guest is someone who's a very accomplished guy. I mean, he's the CEO and founder of the Guard Watches, which are really really nice time pieces, to say

the least. That's the massive understatement of the year on that particular point. Also was A Star and The Walking Dead, which my wife really loved. I'm not too much into zombie things. He's also a filmmaker and he is someone who people seek his opinion on a lot of things going on because he has those opinions and he's brave enough to come out and state them. Elon, Sirillovitz, Welcome to the Nightcap. It's great to have you on the

show. Thanks so much for having me. I appreciate. I will tell you that you're gonna hate this, but I actually discouraged my wife from watching The Walking Dead back in the day because I would occasionally make fun of the dialogue. I said, the best writing on that show is they really spent a lot of money on writing in that show, but actually it was a very, very grit which has legions millions of fans still to this day. What role did you play on The Walking Deck Politic? Yeah, I played

a character called Wesley. It was originally cast as a whole other character and they changed it for crazy reasons, but yeah, it was originally I played this character called Wesley who's from Hilltop. The show did get a little bit

convoluted after season five, for sure. It kept changing who was running the show to start off with Frank Darbahn and Scott Gimble and like everyone had their own view or vision for where the show should go, And it was a much better show when it was more character driven and out that like huge world, where there were fifty storylines going on five hundred characters. It just became

too complicated for most people to follow. Well, yeah, and to continue that level of dialogue up from the writers, I mean must have been brutal as well. But here's the thing were did you always have an interest in acting? How'd you get involved in that? Yeah? I've always loved acting since I was a kid. I like the idea that you could affect people by just going up on a stage or on TV and playing these characters. And it also was an interesting path to pursue as a career choice because you

pretty much live a thousand lives in one life. And I always love the idea of that. You know, you don't choose one career path. When you're an actor. You get to play not that you actually are, but you get to pretend at least that you're a doctor, that you're an astronaut, that you're fighting in a zombie apocalypse, and you go through these really crazy experiences that are on set. You know, the production values sometimes really

really high. It's almost like you're actually living it. So it's just a cool industry to be in in terms of what you get to do. Maybe that's the key for a lot of people. I get in trouble for saying things like this, but I don't care. Maybe that's the one of the key components of or the allure of the trans community is you get to pretend

you're someone else. Well, you know, it's interesting if we want to jump right into that, but yeah, I think there's a the hyper need for value in acting actually has a similarity to what you see in the trans movement. There's a lot of actors who place their entire identity and value in what they're achieving as actors, not as human beings, and so they're willing

to have very parasitic, unhealthy behaviors to feel like they're valuable. And you see that again in the trans movement of people don't have an identity outside of I'm trans. That's where my value comes from, and so the second you challenge it or question it, it becomes this major attack on who they are.

And again, I believe there's this much deeper issue going on in society nowadays, which has to do with moral relativism, the destructive destruction of objective truth, which ties into all of this, which is why people seek these made up identities, these man made identity. You are absolutely one hundred percent

correct, in my opinion. There are some serious, serious underpendings of as you said, moral relatively, and in this country, you know, this country in particular, the United States, even its founders said that the Constitution was written for a moral people. And you see these outside forces that are

trying to tear that down. All of the institutions, whether it's the Constitution or you know, government or any kind of guiding hand in society they want to tear down, whether it's a statue of someone or so yeah, I believe you're dead on on that, and it goes a lot farther than the trans community. I wanted to ask you too about the watch company. Where did that come from? Guards? So, yeah, my dad is my inspiration in life. I'm lucky enough to have a really great example what it

means to be a man. And you know, he's helped me through a lot of stuff at some rough patches in life, and he's really gotten me through them and he always stood by me. It's just again a really great person to look up to and I wanted to say thank you to him somehow when I kind of I had some health issues that he helped me overcome and all the stuff, and what I wanted to do was get him a watch. And I realized there was no watch that really captured what I wanted.

And I had a design background, I had a background previous, and I was able to prototype out a watch for him, and that kind of just naturally ended up turning into a company. I made him the watch. I gave him the watch. People saw it, some of his friends liked it, put it on forums, people started requesting it off of the forms,

and then we just kept going from there. Well, we had the We just this past weekend had the Golden Globes, or as I like to call him, the Who Cares Awards. And I noticed in the pitch from AJ about you winning a courage Award? Was this on Tucker Carlson in his new venue, his new format? Or when did you win the Courage Award? And for what reason were you awarded the Courage Award? Elin? So, yeah, it was the Patriot Awards from fostreple awarded it. Yes, yeah,

it was. It was during the or a year after the defunct police movement things started. I had put up through my company a campaign called Speak Truth. We did a you know videos, we started supporting police and humanizing law enforcement and doing campaigns, and about a year later they reached out and they said, you know, for your work, we'd like to give you

this award. Totally unexpected. It was very surprising during the defunct police hoopla everything that went to see how no one was willing to even just never mind stand up for police, but at least humanize them, at least say hey, let's just look at what's objectively going on here. It's not easy being a cop. Bilifying police as we have for the past decade or more has resulted in obviously a significant impact on the quality of policing in terms of our

We're limiting them from what they can do. We're constantly vilifying them, We're making interactions worse for them. So of course it's going to have an impact on them. They feel like they're constantly under attack. And I was pretty much trying to humanize them, saying, if we want to fix this problem that you guys see in society, maybe the approach is one from a place

of highlighting the best and people. I've done this, you know, I've done this with numerous campaigns, But I believe that though if you want to help police, the way to do it is to celebrate them. You can still point out issues that happen, but to be objectively reality based in your approach to it. You know, they try and generalize all police based on the actions of a few police things that would not stand with any other group

of people. And it's kind of a similar approach to what I did when I tackled the whole toxic masculinity thing and did a response to Jillette, where we did a video called what is a man Humanizing Men? And I always use my company to do it because that's my biggest platform, and it's important, I think for companies to put out ads and messages like this that counter the ones that other huge companies like Target and and Jerry's and all these companies

put out. You need to have some degree of advertising on the other side that counters it. So other companies and even people in society see that it's a message that they can support in. So many people are self censoring nowadays. Well, if a company stands up and puts out an ad people self censor less in the era of cancel culture. That is very courageous Elon,

and I commend you for that. Also a filmmaker, what kind of films have you been making just documentaries on things that you feel are important or what are you doing with that? So I was always fascinated by these two experiments. I've just been shooting a documentary y act called Cancel, but it's really on psychogenic epidemic, which are a form of mass hysteria when a large percentage of the population starts behaving you radically or believing things again that are objectively untrue,

often resulting in some kind of atrocity or tragedy in society. So I've been seeing indications that a percentage of the population is affected by a psychogenic epidemic. I wanted to research it. There's something called the Milgrim experiment which came out after World War Two, which is the shock experiment where they shocks people, and they wanted to see how far people would go shocking people because of authority. That's a real quick rundown of the experiment. It's obviously more complicated

than that. But what they found out is that people were willing to shock people to the point of believing they were killing them just because authority was telling them to and that the accountability wasn't on them, and it wasn't that they didn't have empathy. They were crying as they were doing it, but they

just followed orders. And then the ash experiment is one that shows how in a group, people will deny what they see with their own eyes just to fit in with the group, to the point of believing in some cases that they're seeing something different. And so those two experiments inspired me to kind of go out and examine the phenomenon behind to see how much is that play today?

And we created a fake reality TV show called Canceled where we would see if people would cancel somebody how far they would go to ruin the evening. Yeah, it's pretty hardcore. Where that Where is that going to be available? When it is? Right now? You know, we've talked to every major plat there's interest from a bunch, so it's just a matter of where it ends up. I don't know yet, but there's some really cool people

in it. Jeorge Peterson's in it, Roseann bar is in it. I know this is controversial, but Alex Jones is in it, and there's just a lot of Jimmy Dores in it. We have voices from every extreme, de Snyder from Twisted Sisters in it, so essentially we have everyone you can go from, as much to the right as much to the left. We tried to get every opinion in there and discuss cancel culture and kind of what

people see in society. And then we covered this this really great story of this guy, Emmanuel Cafferty, who's like was completely ruined, just a regular guy because of this phenomenon. So it's it's an interesting documentary. All right,

let's let's talk about biological men playing women's sports with Elon Cerulovitz. The USA Boxing has now said, yes, biological men men people who were born as males can now participate against females, biological females, and they are going to the extra step of making sure you got to cut your junk off before you can play. I guess didn't they state that, or you have to

have genital reassignment and the hormone thing. But what is lost on these people, I think lost on them, and what most of us see is they are very definitive biological differences between men and women, whether they're on hormones or whether you have cut their junk off. I mean, it's still men are stronger, they're bigger built, and they're faster than women. That's again, you would talk about people not believing stuff and right in front of their eyes.

I mean, and I liken it when you said that, I remembered about all the reporters who were standing in front of burning buildings back in twenty twenty calling it a mostly peaceful protest. I mean, yeah, don't believe you, Pete the lion of don't don't believe you're lying eyes or what the camera is showing you, obviously, but so just your thoughts on this, right. You want to talk about somebody who definitely deserves a Courage Award if

she hasn't won one already. Is Riley Gaines, of course, the All American swimmer from Kentucky. I believe, yeah, Riley Gaines is amazing. And there's this charity called Icons who documents and gives a voice to all these women who are losing places to biological men. And not only that, they're taking away these young girl's scholarships when they speak out. There's a lot of stuff happening behind the scenes, and it's much more pervasive than people realize.

I only found that out when when speaking to the people at ICONS about what's actually going on, and so very troubling. And again, sorry, go ahead, no, no, I'm sorry, there's there's a terrible delay in this line, so please just ignore me. Okay. Well, the the biological changes that happen for puberty can't be undone. That's something that's very important to know. People think like, oh, yeah, you just go on hormones and you do gender reassignment surgery, all of a sudden, you're biologically

a woman. No you're not. You still have the tendons, the ligaments, the bone structure, everything that's developed over years is still there. You're still structurally a man, and so you still have a massive advantage. I mean, if Mike Tyson in his prime went through gender reassignment surgery, he would still be and I mean this honestly. Women would die in the ring. He would crush them. And that's where we've gotten to in society.

I mean, we've gotten further than that. This is one step less extreme than what we were doing with prisons, where we were putting biological menu have the history of actually abusing women in prison with women because they said that they're now women. That's how far our society has gone down the rabbit hole. So is it surprising no? Is it tragic? Yes, But again it's our silence, it's our inability to push back against it out of fear that

allows and this is the definition of a psychogenic epidemic to take hold. People are suffer because we're allowing them to believe things that are objectively untrue, and society is going along with it. That is a psychogeneic epidemic. Do you believe there was some of that going on during what I call the scamdemic COVID nineteen because yes, because there were some things that patently not true, but you know, the WHO and the CDC and the drug companies all told us

it was true. I mean, as many as two thirds of the people who were listed as COVID dying from COVID only died with COVID, they died of something else. But that ginned up the fear and what you're talking about, I believe, yeah, And people were willing to be completely inconsistent in their positions day to day just based on what they were told. In other

words, again objective reality and truth stopped mattering. They were just seeking some kind of peace away from the sphere that they were constantly being, that was constantly being in posted on them. So the only way to treat that, if you look at how a psychogenic epidemic wor, it's one of the primary things you need is for people to be in a fear state, because they

will seek anything to get out of that state. They'll hand over all their rights, they'll hand over their power, their freedoms, everything, just to feel better. And it's exactly what we saw during the pandemic. We saw people literally go from one day saying masks are bad, masks are good, masks are bad, masks are good, just based entirely on what Fauci was

telling them. We saw people saying that it was okay to be at a to have a million people on a Hollywood boulevard torking in the street and drinking champagne bottles with no masks on in the name of BLM. But if you went to a Trump rally and were a outside, you were a super spreader. There was no consistency between their how they managed to analyze what was going on with COVID. They would just automatically accept whatever narrative was told to them

and vilify and attack anyone who disagreed with the mainstream narrative. If you said, hey, this vaccine is new, there's no real data to support that it's safe. I take a vaccine, not a vaccine. I take a medication, and I have to stop taking it, which is a PCSK nine inhibitor because I have a genetic defect. Nothing to do covid. It has

to do a cholesterol anyway. This vaccine or this not vaccine. This injection, I think went through ten years of testing, and even then after it went through human trials and everything, after ten years, it still had a run, a private run in society, and then after that they release it to people like me. Even then they still say that it's considered a new drug. They give me a nurse I can report to twenty four hours a day to monitor and have to update it costly. And we're talking about fifteen

years in of human trials. But I'm supposed to believe that the vaccine after one year of no human trials is the safest thing in the world for COVID without questioning it. I mean, it was just an absurd No doctor in the world would agree to that position. And then if you were a doctor, a very very well respected doctor like doctor Malone, they would attack who helped contribute to the creation of MRINA technology. They would attack you. What

he said, we don't know the safety profile. They would attack you and try and destroy you. All these people who say listen to the science, stopping a science denier were willing to attack reputable doctors who are the top in their field the second the doctors didn't say what they wanted, which shows you the great hypocrisy here. Oh absolutely, I love the term that you've come up with, this epidemic, so we can put it into the Cincinnati lexicon

and the people listening here on our fifty thousand. What is the epidemic you're talking about, Elon, Well, it's called a psychogenic epidemic. It's a term that Yeah, it's a term that's been used to you start to sell in witch trials. Is an example of a psychogeneic epidemic exactly. I think more people need to rediscover what that is and what it means. So the next time this crops up and it will there's no question it will people have

a handle on it. Oh, this is a psychogenic epidemic. They're trying to start another one, and and they you know, they're trying to get us in a fear state just to control it. Exactly. Well, it's it's been very rewarding having a chance to speak with you tonight. I really appreciate your time. I know took you out of your busy day. You got so many irons in the fire. I'm surprised you've been picked up the

phone at all, but you Elon's Rulevans. Thanks you very much and I wish you all the success with your company, E Guard Watches and the docu. I want to know about the documentary when you've got that ready, absolutely, I'll keep you I'll keep you posted on it, all right, talk about it when it's ready. Fantastic. Elon's Ruleovts on the night Cap as we close things out this evening on seven hundred w l W meeting this one of our shows. Because you looked a little too much like a wanted serial

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