Yeah, it was the night tap on seven hundredl W. You're joining us once again? He is boaming and his Furman mouth. I'm sure ready chopping at the bitch to talk to Gary Jeff because he just loves me that much. My friend and a sports officionado was Gary Burbank used to say, Andy Furman, join us again. Hello, Andy, Well, you know what. I love talking to you. But I do believe I've thought about this. You either bring out the best of me or the worst. I don't
know what it is, but you certainly get the juices flowing. And I think that's good because I don't talk to many people the way I talk to you. I feel free and easy with you. What juices are you talking about? First, I guess the juices that are in my brain. I don't know what it is, but if they come out, you get me boiling. Okay, it just loves just sounds weird when you say gets the juices flowing. It just it's why does it sound weird? I don't know
it's a weird thing. No, I didn't say second now you went there? No, But yeah, okay, So we were going to talk about the the awful incident. Wait, a minute. Wait, yeah, okay, let's do this. I mean, I got a couple of things. Let's let's talk about it was a terrible thing. But you know what, I don't want to come across as the old guy, get off my lawn tide, that kind of guy. Now, if I was in my twenties and I said what I'm going to say now, people will say, yeah,
he's right, he's he's what he's talking about. He said, he's got a lot of foresight for his age. Now, if I talk about it now, people say, ah, let does he know he's over the hill, he's an old timer, he's just nasty's negative. No, I'm not. You know, it's a safety concern, and I'm talking about storming the basketball court and the people are you see fans who were at the game the other evening when they BETCU and they stormed the court the fans did,
they're probably rolling their eyes right now. Oh, farman, he's trying to stir the pot controversy. No, I'm not. You know, you're involved in the business. Yeah, what are your friends and your school, your hometown, your birthplace was almost hurt seriously talking about Caitlin Clark, Yes, who plays for the University of Iowa, the Iowa Hawkeyes. I still like
to call them the Lady Hawkeyes, just because I think they're ladies. But anyway, cal Caitlin Clark is the most phenomenal scorer and will before this season's over, barring injury, uh graduate as the all time leading scorer in women's college basketball. There's no question. She's amazing to me be the first woman to play in the NBA. How's that you heard it here? Well, what are they going to do in the locker room? God knows? Anyway,
Anyway, here's the thing. At Ohio State was hosting the University of Iowa. They're in Columbus, and some how miraculously were able to beat the Hawkeyes. I don't know what happened that they paid the reps or whatever went down there, but then the students felt like they had to storm the court and they ran over Caitlin Clark as a as a fellow Iowan, as a Hawkeye myself, I was born there. My dad's an alum of the University of Iowa in Iowa City. I take great umbrage at these Buckeye people,
whoever they are. At the Buckeye University. I take umbrage with them rolling over my girl, Caitlyn Clark, your thoughts and you were talking about you see students storming the court after the victory against TCU. Well, thankfully no one got injured, but very well could have. And I don't think that that's a celebration when you're rolling over people because your team won a game.
Andy your thoughts, Well, you see f there was a storm in the court when you see F one the other day in Tulane had a storm in the court as well, And I tell you what, it's contagious. I don't I don't get it. Okay, maybe someone someday will explain to me what's the big through, what's the big whoop of running down the stairs, getting out of your seat and standing on the basketball court after a win like that, and maybe hopefully not getting trampled and crushed, which could possibly happen.
Now, Caitlin Clark is a great player. Thank goodness you didn't get hurt. I heard the coach of you know, after the game, at the news conference. She said she was very disturbed and very upset with what happened, and thank goodness, Caitlin wasn't hurt. She said it was disgusting and I loved everything she said. I don't understand why more people are not calling out college basketball, the NCAA in particular, and college conference is now.
I believe finally's going to be levied on Ohio State under the Ohio State University for what happened on Sunday with Caitlin Clark. Maybe it's a ten thousand dollars five for storm in the court you see. I don't know. Maybe they get one too, I don't know, different conference. It has to stop. Remember years ago after football games, big games, people would tear
the gold post down. Then they started greasing. They started greasing the cold posts so people could slip on them and I couldn't grasp them and couldn't pull them down. You know, I don't understand this whole situation. Is it alcohol that causes that? I don't know. Is it the point of look at me? I want to be on TV on the go and television promotes it. You know, I watched these games on TV, at these NFL games, and they're showing people, you know, in sub freezing weather,
standing out there in the game with no shirt on. About Jason Kelsey in Buffalo in the suit. I know, I that was kind of funny. But you know, for Joe Blow, I mean Jason Kelsey, that would be like, you know if if Jimmy Kimmel did it, but the celebrity did it. You know what I'm saying. That's okay, he gets the pass because it's not smart to do. But you know he's going to be photographed because of who he is. But if Joe Schmuck next door does it and he's on TV, why is he on TV? Maybe? I know
a thing. I watched the Bengals on TV. Why why would you go to a game trust as a clown or a trust is as a serve? I see these one guys these where they got the TV commercial? I think, what it's coy? Where's a uniform? He's always on TV? Is that why you do it? Because you want to be on TV? Tell me explain this to me. That's all I want to know when I do it. No, are you driving your car with that uniform on going to a Bengal game? You look a fool? You really do. I don't
get it. We're in gorilla suits and tiger masks and stuff like that. And Andy it's all about social media. It's all about clicks, it's all about going viral. Man, it's all about me, me, me, me me, That's what it's about. It's about people seeking attention because they obviously don't get enough in their own personal lives from the people that they should get the attention from, you know, their mother, their father, their wife, their husband, you know there, you know it's it's it's all
about that. It's all about this narcissistic culture that has been bred by the selfie clicks and by the viral videos and TikTok and all the rest. It is part of a social contagion actually that is spreading and it is wreaking havoc on Americans' lives ultimately, and it's ruining people's lives. Andy, it really
is. You know what, It's funny because if all the topics that we spoke on together over the years, this is one thing that I think we have a common bond, We have a mutual agreement, We really do. I mean, I think it's silly, but more than that, a lot of the things are silly. I just turned my back on This is not only silly, it's dangerous. And when you go from the silly stage to the dangerous stage. Something's got to be done about it, and no one
says anything. No one says a thing. For example, the other day, the Chicago Bulls had their Ring of Honor the Great Teams, and they inducted the late Jerry Krause, the general manager who basically formulated the team. He traded for Scottie Pippen, He made all the moves. He was the guy involved with six championships. Jerry Crouse who passed away his wife. His wife was sitting in mid court for the ceremony. The fans boot her. She cried. If you go on social media, you see the tears on
Herriyzon you cried. It was disgusting, Okay, And some people have spoken out. Charles Barkley was great. Charles Barkley spoke about it, says it's a disgrace for the Chicago bull organization, for the fans of Chicago, for everybody. It was just, it was a stupid, disgusting thing to boo the widow of Jerry Krause. But here's my point, where the hell is the commissioner? Where was Adam Silver? This guy's it's unbelievable if there's no money involved, if they can't. You just said it. If there's no
money involved, then then Adam Silver has no interest. Andy. I think this is a good place to conclude this. We can get into it maybe perhaps at a later date. But I really appreciate your time. And as always, you cannot spell Furman without f You remember that, folks talking with our friend the furball, Andy Furman. How you doing, my by Andre, I'm doing wonderful. Every time I talk to you. It's a great you know why. It's kind of like going on the couch, which I've
never done. I've never gone to a psychiatrist to shrink or anything for advice, but you know, we're talking to you. It's like a Catharsis. Really you said on the couch. I didn't know what you meant. I know. There you go again. I know it's not my foot in my mouth. Okay, I got something to say. Yeah, I've always I've always appreciated Tony Dungee. I always liked the way he coached. I like the way his deportment was, the way he carried himself. He seemed to
be a gentleman. He was never a madman. But the this week he says something really stupid. He was talking about the Taylor Swift. I guess the appearances of Taylor Swift at Kansas City Chiefs games and following basically Travis Kelcey all season long. And he says on Courtingy, Now, this was in USA today. That's the thing that's just enchanting people with sports. Now,
this is what Tony Jump Dungee said about her. There's so much on the outside coming in entertainment value and different things taking away for it really happens on the field. Oh really, you know this is nothing new. This is nothing new, Tony Dungee. Maybe you're living in a cave. But if you watch football games over the years, Jerry Jones gets no shortage of airtime even when people aren't trying to decide. For his reactions on the team's latest
playoff meltdown, He's always on TV. Jack Nicholson was essential figure in the Lakers Showtime era, as Magic and Kareem they were. He was right there for courtside. You always are, Jack Nicholson. So I don't understand why all of a sudden, Tony Dungee is upset about Taylor squif. I think he's done well. I for herself and Travis Kelsey. She's done great for the NFL and the Jersey sales. Travis Kelsey's number one of Jersey sales.
Well, here's here's the thing about Jerry Jones. You use that analogy, and that was maybe a little bit off. He's an owner and millions of people don't want to see Jerry Jones. Millions of people don't care about Jerry Jones. Now, Jack Nicholson, Yeah, I mean to a lesser extent, but you have to understand how big this supernova called Taylor Swift is. Andy, You've got to understand that it is as I think it's great. It's a total distraction. And I think, and I think Taylor's Taylor Swift.
The reason she is there every time is maybe not because she's totally in love with Travis Kelcey. Maybe it's because she's pursued by her Rabbit fans and she gets a chance to be the Rabbit fan for once, and I think she's enjoying that. From a psychological standpoint, she's having fun, you know, being with Tavis Kelsey or not, but she's having fun. So here's my couple of questions I throw out you and maybe you a tremendous fast audience
that goes to thirty eight states. Why is Taylor Swift going against to support her boyfriend touch such a nerd with you and everybody else? And why are you angry at her? Not you, Gary Jeff, but people are angry at her. Well, it's the NFL and the broadcasters will make it spectacle of the presence of Taylor Swift. And why are you bothered by someone else's
watching women's sports? I don't get it. So many of people, so many people out there actively seek out way so that the world know you're definitely not paying attention. Why does a female athlete's accomplishment make you defensive? I don't get it. I mean, yesterday on Sunday, I think it was really I watched the Ohio State IOWA game because of Caitlyn Clark. Really, I mean they had a Maryland game on the Maryland basketball game. I've got
who they played. I sooner watched Caitlyn Clark. I want to watch. I don't care if it's male, female, or whatever it may be. When, yeah, that was the biggest game because it's the athlete that count. Andy When there is a transcendent talent. It doesn't matter what the sex or gender of that talent is. Kaitlyn Clark is a once in a lifetime female basketball player. I mean she she's the Michael Jordan right now, or
the Lebron James of women's college basketball. And she's really that good. And it's compelling to watch her and to see how she's running rings around her female her female you know, opponents, and and it's it's i't even to hear that. The they sayers and the negative people and the morons basically which they are, said, well, yeah, you know, let's see what she does against men. No, she doesn't play against men. She plays against
women. That's the way. That's the more importantly, more importantly, she's a biological woman playing against women, and that and not a great pretender. Right, you're exactly right now. I don't know what the Iowa schedule is, and I look about the mind fault. I should have looked up before we started chatting. But when they come to Bloomington, Indiana to play in the Anniversity, I know they played Indiana. I think already in Iowa.
I'm gonna drive out to Bloomington to see her play. I want to say they don't want to see a play. I want to meet her. I want to talk to story on her. I would I would make uh. I would make plans if it were possible to go and watch Caitlin Clark play. But I can't say that about any other female basketball player. Andy, it's well the statistics, because to have the statistics that she had, I
think I would do it, you know exactly. I would go see if Stanford was playing locally female, I go see Tara van Derverer because she just broke the all time record of wins for a college basketball coach. Coach of Stanford. I'd love to meet her. See she's an amazing woman. Been coaching college basketball women's for thirty eight years. It's amazing. She coached at Ohio State prior to Stanford. Before that, should coach University of Idaho. So, you know, just to talk to her and say how was the
sport changed all of a sudden. Women's basketball, at least in the mainstream, has been accepted five ten years ago. It was never on TV. Andy, I'm not doing that at any other women's I'm not making a point to watch any other women's basketball game. It's just because of Caitlyn Clark, I will, and because I'm with you. But you know what, I would go see NKU or U S or Xavier player women's go I would. I mean there's no one on those teams that really excited me as far as
statistical endeavors and accomplishments. But just see them play, uh, you know, the local team, to support the local team. I would do that if I had a free and I would do that. Uh. And over the years I have seen Thomas more play. What I love about women's college basketball are the three sixty slam dunks if there are trampolines in But it's a different game. People they don't see to understand that is it's a game that's played basically under the rim, and it's a little more I guess technical if
you will, but uh, you know, it's a different game. And when people play that, women play under the rim, just like me, Andy, just like you more than likely. But would anybody would anybody pay to see either one of us play basketball, even in our younger days. No, no, no, no, I agree with you there. So that that's that's my take on that, and I think I think that really and truly I mean, I understand Tony Dungeye's old school, but man, time's change, man, I mean they really do. No one uses rotary
phones anymore. You know, it's a different error. Everybody got cell phones. I mean it's different. You know, I'm the only smug that uses a typewriter, but I still have a computer. I mean, do you got to change the good times? I mean, if you don't move forward, you're moving backwards. Hey, you know what? You know what? Uh? People listen to our opinions, and some of them seem to care about them. I don't know why yet, but I think Tony Dungee is
entitled to his opinion. Uh do you have a suit? No doubt? Do you have a Super Bowl ring? Andy? Just asking? Oh he's the Hall of Fame? No, I do not, And he's no Hall of Fame. I don't either. Everybody has opinions, like buttholes. Everybody has one. Doesn't mean you have to agree with them. And I think that's what makes everything beautiful because it creates discussion and you could agree to disagree. And if Tony Dungee was here, I say, what do you feel
that way? Coach? I mean really, I mean she's a great player. I mean you you you made that anatomical analogy, Andy, and I appreciate that. Uh. But some of our opinions may smell it as bad or worse than the other part. And that's a few of the other I mean, our opinions could be stupid, they could be laughed at, they could be ridiculous, something could but they thought provocative. That's the key. People start to think about it. Said, you know what Gary, Jeff
and Firman they were telling you know, they're kind of right. I never thought of it that way. It opens up a whole new situation. Or they can say these guys are really idiots, or they could say they do it for the shock value, which I don't think we do. I really don't. I mean I could be there's no need to. They just don't need to put put it on shot by it because it's there for the taking. People say things and you just want to rip it a part of times.
So we don't have to say things for quote shock value. You have to stir the pot, as they say. No, we talk because it's out there and we agree and do it dissip and I think we talk together because no one else will talk to us. Andy, We've got to go to me. We're leaving now, goodbye, okay, by Gary, do the nightcap w l W. Always my pleasure, and she'll insist that that's not the case, but always my pleasure to talk to our next guest. And uh, I'm glad that she's available to us and to me, And
it means the world because I just love her takes. I love the fact that we have this great rapport together. Karen Katalene KK, the lady who is spouting off all the time and gets to do it and gets to do it with me on this particular occasion. Hello, KK, how are you well? Loo JGB go Jerry Chaff how about that? It's very kind of you, and I appreciate you putting up with the pain in the neck that I am. No, no, no, it's good. It's a good
instance pure, it's a sweet pain. So here's here's here's the thing. I guess if you week we talked about how you didn't want to participate in the charade that is the political campaigns right now, but let's go ahead and jump in with both feet and talk about the departure of Rond de Santas from the presidential race in twenty twenty four. Well, you know, it's funny sometimes, you know, stuff comes out of my mouth. I never know what I'm going to say, but it's usually based on some kind of you
know, point of view. And I guess I forgot that. We talked a little bit about this. So I maintain what I maintained last week with a little bit of embellishment. So now that Rondo Santis has dropped out and the ridiculous Chris Christy and the ridiculous Mike Pens have also dropped out, here's what I think. And I just wish my idea would catch on. But nobody ever listens to me except you and a few other people, maybe my
husband once in a while. Here's my thought. The primary quote unquote was always a lie designed to make it look like Trump had significant opposition, which he never did. The Haley campaign is merely a continuation of that. They never get called on the carpet for what amounts to their active support for global communism. I'm talking about the right and the left, the so called never
Trumpers. Now, I don't have many problems. You don't like Donald Trump, that's fine, but if you do not stand up for someone who's being politically persecuted with whom you disagree, then you're a fool because they'll come after you next. That's it, You're next. Absolutely, But it's even worse than that. Things are really worse, and that is that we're not in the same political system we've ever been in our lifetimes. It is, truly,
and people are starting to write about this. The elitistsbs versus the rest of us. One of the reasons the so called Republicans who hate Donald Trump worse than they hate communists. In fact, they don't hate communists. That's the dirty little secret, one of the reasons they hate Donald Trump, and
I'm not sure they most people who claim to hate him really do. The masses, whoever they are, and I think it's fewer than people think, have been whipped into a frenzy against Trump by the constant propaganda which they cannot seem to see through. The Republican elite, however, do hate Donald Trump for the simple reason that he exposed to them. He took their masks off.
First, they hated him because he wasn't conservative enough, which was a lie, and when he turned out to be a whole more conservative than they ever were. They hated them even worse because they were exposed and they ran out of excuses. And what really bothers me is that these people, Pence and Liz Cheney and that whole bunch in the bushies, all of them who've
been supporting communists and communist sympathizers, who want global communism. Many of them believe, as you saw this week, that US little peasants have way too much personal freedom and they ought to be the ones to take it away from
us. Well, they've never been held accountable for that, And so I just wish people wouldn't play the stupid game of the primary, because there is no support for anybody in the grassroots except Trump, who has been politically persecuted, and to do so, to play that game is to play by their rules. Notice, nobody because they own the media, ever says a word about the fact that Biden will not debate anyone. Biden will not have any
legitimate challengers. They only believe in challenging their opponents, never themselves. And we should not play that game. Because Trump is the nominee, you will be the nominee. And yes, they will do every dirty trick in the book to destroy him, including taking him off the ballot, which of course doesn't mean that they'd never achieved an election. So I'm just saying, let's not eat the patbleum they feed us, well, another faise, we don't
have to eat it. Another judge in another state has said, no Donald Trump print the ballot's Donald Trump's name is going to be on them that that thing was doomed to fail from the start. It's just another rock they're throwing at the house, Karen, And you're right. It is the elites, or the people who consider themselves elite, whether it's Bill Gates or Klaus Schwab or any of the rest of those idiots and davos. But they, the
ones that claim to be elite, should really learn history. And when I say that, when I say that, they should learn history by going back to the French Revolution and what happened, what happened to the let them eat cakers like Marie Antoinette and Louis the fourteenth what happened. What happened to them, of course, as history will tell you, is they lost their power
and then they lost their heads. So, you know, just a warning, a warning to the globalist A warning to the Marxists, the communists who want total control of the entire world, and all of us, just be careful what you are striving for because it may not in the way you vision envision it. Just because of your money and your power doesn't mean that you're going to win. And if we stand up to them, then they cannot
win too many of us. And from your mouth to God's ears, Gary Jeff Walker, what I'd like to emphasize as strongly as I possibly could is that the actions that they take, and granted not every single one is the
marginal Z step, but the great majority of them. Do have you ever noticed, you know, the intersectionality of it all, and you take one radical leftist, insane position, supposedly you take them all, and on that point, their actions the very this is what I want to say, and I'm putting it in bold, you know, bold, blinking lights right.
The very fact that they would take seriously, that they would take their most formidable, their only formidable opponents off the ballot by claiming he's guilty of the very things they framed him for. The fact that they would do that is an indictment of them without having to argue the point. The fact that anybody, for example, would censor another person's position, point of view dissent indict them as the fascists and the tyrants that they are. So I don't like
debating the issue. Oh well, they're not going to get away with it. I like debating the issue that the very idea that they would do such a thing shows them exposes them for the fascists and the tyrants that they are. Indeed, no person who believes in true democracy and a republic and America would ever do such a thing. There were strength. This is a perfect exclamation point to this conversation because we're out of time. Karen, thank you very much. I love you. Ah yeah, get me going there,
Gary Jesse, you just too well. That's the fun. It's the nightcap on seven hundred WLW. Open up our live stream on the iHeartRadio app and take a look at the screen. You see that little red circle with a microphone on it. That's our talkback feature. Push it and send us your thoughts on the current topic. Something you think we should discuss door heck, even blab on about some job conspiracy nonsense. Your uncle's into the talkback feature.
Check it out on seven hundred wlw's live stream on the iHeartRadio app. It's got it Tick Market. There is the Nightcap once again. We are talking with k Okay, Karen, Kataline. What's going on, babe, oh, Jerry, Jeff Well and you know, everything is punky dory in the world is not really? No, no, no, not really. Our last conversation, we were talking about the elites, like at the World Economic Forum, which should actually have a different name because do you see some
of the weirdos that are there. Did you see the spirit goddess that was blowing on people in the panel with the video that was just so crazy last week? It generates some of the weirdest stuff I've ever seen in my life. And it really doesn't surprise me that John Kerry, Bill Gates and all these other so called elites are into all of that. But man, what a bunch of bizarro people. I mean, outside of the fact that they're dangerous. But you know, go ahead. I looked two minds about it.
On the one hand, we can laugh and we can mock them, and boy oh boy, my feeling is they were brought up on way too many bad sci fi movies. B movies because they're living in there dtor evil. You know, they're the ones when you say, well, I want to take over the world, these people really really do. So Mockery is good, humor is good. But then the other side of the coin is you cannot underestimate how dangerous these people really are. They believe in genocide.
They believe in depopulation. There's a word for depopulation. It's called genocide. And my response to them, if I had a response, they go to listen to me. You know, you heard Kluschwob walked out of a speech you didn't like. Is you first, baby, Well, it's just you don't think people should own anything, but they'll be happy you first, you think you need to depopulate the world. You first, you volunteer and stop telling other people and playing god and telling other people, well, well who
will live and who will die? That's so dangerous. One more thought. Yes, something happened, you know, seventy years ago. It started a long time ago, Karen. It started with the eugenics movement in this country in a Nazi Germany. And you know the reason that we still have planned parenthood and the reason that we still had legal murder of unborn babies for over fifty years in this country and they're still fighting tooth and nailed to keep it.
But these people were the same people the eugenicist, you know, Margaret Sanger and her crew. They were equally Marxists in control of want to be in control of everyone's lives and eliminating the bad element from the human gene pool. You know that that was the same mentality. It's no different. The only problem is there's two things they got now that they never had before. A lot of things they've got. They've got insane amount of technology, enormous
money and power. It's like giving Doctor Evil the keys to the kingdom. My question is who's gonna stop them? Yeah, I don't know. We need a superman. You need a superman to fight the super villains. And maybe it's it's Austin Powers. Maybe it's Clark Kent. I'm not sure. Maybe it's Donald Trump. I have no idea, but we need a superman. And you mentioned Klaus Schwab walking out of a speech he didn't like at Davos last week, the Argentinian president. The pair on that guy is unbelievable.
And I don't know if you know the text of what this new Argentinian president said at Davos, but it was just a big, flying, fickled finger of fate in all of their faces, all of those elites faces. It was great. That's the very beginning. We must shine a light on the evil that they are, because when they crawl under rocks, they're even
more dangerous. And to your point about looking for a superman or an Austin powers, now we're living in an extraordinary time in which we at to be superman, to borrow from the radical left, you know, be the change you want to see in the world. Well, it's up to us, because we're the ones, everyday citizens, the ones they think are peasants who don't deserve to live except maybe to live as serfs in their master universe. We're the ones with the targets on our backs. We're the ones they're really
after. Are people who remember individual freedom, personal responsibility, accountability, and the humility to recognize that you are not God. Those are the things they hate more than anything, along with principles, character, integrity, and oh, I don't know the Constitution. They hate these things. So not only do we have to hold fast to these things. But remember, there may not be Superman to stay this this time. We're going to have to save
ourselves. And that's what's scary because people feel very, very helpless and hopeless, and we can't have that. That's why, that's why I keep on praying for clarity, discernment, bravery, all of those things, because you're right, Ultimately, maybe only God Almighty can save us. But you know, we can put up a fight while we're here, and we should and in any way that we can. And like I said, shining the light up, that there are signs up in my little town in northern Kentucky,
in the poor section of town. Oddly enough, I didn't see them, you know, on the on the east side and all the historic homes where the rich people live. But I did see them, and it says election Protection and if you have questions about politics, please call us, join us. So I look at the protection Election Protection, and I called the number, and sadly they were closed today. I guess they're not worrying about protecting
my election today, or at least as early as I called. But I looked on their site, their their homepage, and it's it's a whole wall of people with masks on, and it looks like Antifa's greatest hits. These people are not trying to protect anybody's election. They're they're recruiting. They're recruiting Soros paid members to join them, is what they're doing well, and that's part of what we are seeing more than anything else today. The level of
deception and propaganda today is truly astounding. You know, many of us used to marvel at the propaganda and say World War two and communists rush us the old Soviet Union, the level of propaganda. But there's nothing new under the sun. And if you can convince people that good is evil and evil is good and yes there is a phrase in the Bible it's similar to that, then you can get them to believe anything. Yep. Absolutely, Karen Katileen,
thank you very much. I know you've got to toddle off and have to tuddle, you have to tundle, so uh be careful with that and we'll try and we'll try and keep the home fires burning here until our next conversation. But thank you as brilliant yeh o perfect Karenkatalene dot com if you'd like to check her out online. It's the nightcare and we roll on on seven hundred W l W