This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. What else is going on? Time for what's happening? Well, we are on top of the RNC of course today, kicking off on the heels of the assassination attempt over the weekend. Joining us now at Jesse Jane Duff gunnery sergeant. Served in the Marine Corps active duty twenty years and yes, retired as a gunnery sergeant. Uh well, how are things going in Milwaukee? Well, it's good
to be here. I'm so excited that you all invited me. They're doing a roll call vote right now on the floor. I happen to be with the DC Director of Veterans for Trump, so I'm kind of wearing two different hats today right now. Now, the breaking news is that he has selected jd. Vance. Yes, yes, I mean this is absolutely exciting and I'm going to tell you why I have a preference for a JD. Vance.
He's a UNI the State's Marine. I served twenty years on active duty, so you know, come on, I have to go at the Marine. Hey. Let me now that means things will get done. Let me ask you something about that. I have said this for a long time. I prefer my presidential candidates, or in this case vice presidential candidates, to have some sort of military experience. What do you think that means for somebody
who is in the chain of command like that as vice president. Well, I'm a little torn on that because I've been very disappointed in our military leaders.
I'm very disappointed in General Mantis, who is mad Dog Matison, who was an exceptional general but got into the Department of Defense and seemed to tow the party line because often, many, many, many of these generals who come out of the Pentagon have been used to essentially no longer representing Marines, but trying to ensure that they please a commander in chief, which isn't always the best case. We also saw some disasters with General Kelly and General McMaster.
However, the difference, though, what I appreciate about with JD. Vance is he was not a career marine, and he did serve in active duty in combat, and he is a self made man. He comes from. If you ever watch, watch, or read the book Hill Billy Eulogy, it talks about growing up dirt dirt or from a drug addicted family. Everything that could have gone wrong for this man, and yet he went on joined the Marine Force, served in active duty in combat, came off of
active duty, and became a self made man. I think that's a rags to riches story that essentially shapes what all Americans see as a positive thing. So in his particular case, he is not being a career senior level general, but a man of the people. Because if you're an enlisted man on active duty, particularly that of the infantry, or an officer in the infantry, you have learned what it means to be in life or death situations.
You understand what it means this recruiter draft children to go off and fight our wars. So in his particular case, I think that military experience is exceptional because we're talking about the hardest route he possibly could have taken. He didn't take a cushy route just to get a gi bill. He took a very difficult route. Wasn't in the infantry. He was in a war zone. And essentially he has a benchmark to understand the importance of national security and ensuring
that we negotiate and make good deals with countries. So that we're no longer putting our young men and women in harm's way. He also went to Yale, he has his law degree. He sees both ways. I mean hill Billy Elegy was a book that I read shortly after Trump was elected because it was kind of sold as a how we got here book, and it was kind of odd to me that Donald Trump, somebody that I know from the
reality TV world, would rise to this level. And it really did help, you know, especially out here in California, how many people in other parts of the country feel about how they felt so disenfranchised and the elites were keeping them down and the jobs were disappearing. And it really does a good job of laying out how he came to realize how Trump came to prominence by
focusing on his family. They're an appalation and the like. Yes, and he understands what the average American is struggling with because it was such a real life experience for him. Understanding that not all families have an easy path, Understanding what it means right now to have high inflation where the average family has to make nine to eleven thousand dollars more a year just to make ends.
Me This is really kind of a touch point for not just your blue collar workers, but your lower income to understand what it means to rise up, have better education opportunities, where the government has often intervened and prevented people from actually accelerating because it's not solve the problem, but only enables the problem.
For example, right now, three hundred Americans a day are dying of drug overdoses because of these open borders, because of the cartels, the money over, and the drugs over, I should say, and I think jd Vance can actually touch upon that because he has the history of drug addiction in his own family, so he knows what this means. He understands what this means.
So you know, many people may not realize that jd. Vance, as successful as he is today, he did not always have that presence or that what many would have fought would have been a dead end road for him. And hopefully that that history, that life experience is something that he could he could bring to the office. So Jesse Jane Duff, we greatly appreciate
your time, Thanks for your passion. Well, we're excited to be here and let's let's just everybody remember if you want to volunteer for the campaign. You can sign up at Trumpforce forty seven dot com Trump Forced forty seven dot com. We've got to get everybody out to vote. We got to make it too big to rig. And thank you for your service. By the way, well, thank you and take the hill motivators. We got a little ways to go yet before we crush Joe Biden on an Thanks Jesse Jane
Duff there in Milwaukee again. Republican National Convention has started. And the breaking news that happened just as we started that interview is that former President Trump has chosen Ohio Senator JD Vance to be his vice presidential running mate. We'll come back and talk more about it. I need to say things like crush Joe Biden. I mean, he's an old man. Have a little. It
doesn't take much, he doesn't. I mean, come on. Another massive story that probably would have been bigger than all the others if we didn't have the events of Saturday, was that we found Judge Ailing Cannon has dismissed the federal criminal case against Trump that charges him with taking highly sensitive national security secrets with him when he went to mar A Lago. Help us figure all of
This out is Royal Oaks Legal analys for ABC News. Royle, it seems like the judge didn't really touch or from what I read, didn't touch the actual documents being taken to mar A Lago. But like we've seen with the Supreme Court rulings, that maybe there was just no standing for this special Council to investigate. Yeah, exactly right, Shannon. This judge did not talk about the merits at all, you know, whether Donald Trump did something terrible
by taking top secret stuff out of the bathroom at mar A Lago. Instead, what she did was she dismissed the case, the Florida case, on the ground that Joe Biden's Attorney general broke the law when he appointed Jack Smith as special counsel. And she concluded that for two reasons. First, the judge said a special Council may only be appointed by the president and only after Congress approves that appointment, and here it was the Attorney General americ Ireland who
appointed him, not the president, and there was no Senate confirmation. The second argument she made was a judge appointed by Donald Trump. Of course, she said that a special council's budget can't be a blank check funds have to be approved by Congress, and here the Attorney General's Office has just been shoveling out up to twenty five million dollars in counting to Jacksmith with no approval by
Congress. Now this is controversial because several big time I'm the special counsel in the past have been approved pretty much the way the Biden administration handled at the Robert Muller for the Russia collusion, at Mars Walsh back in the day on Iran contract. But this judge said, you know, that's based on a misunderstanding of the law, and so this is probably going to go up to the US Supreme Court to get the final word. The bottom line, of
course, is no Florida trial against Trump before the election. Now, one of the criticisms Chuck Schumer had Senate Majority leader was that the judge should not have been handling this case because she is a Trump appointee, and because she's not going to handle this case impartially. Is there a process by which this goes to the Supreme Court as part of the appeal but comes back to a
different judge. The only way this judge would be dumped off the case is if Jack Smith and the Biden administration could demonstrate that she's biased, or she's incompetent, or she was drawn because she's took a bribe or something like that.
The idea that a Trump appointee is tainted somehow and shouldn't be allowed to hear cases involving Trump, of course, is a croc legally speaking, because as we've seen many times in other Donald Trump cases, a Democrat appointed judges and Democrat DA's have gone after him hammer and tong, and nobody has a legitimate basis for criticizing that fact. You know, you look at every decision separately and say was that fair? You know, the appellate courts will sort
it out if it isn't. So, yeah, Jack Smith is going to say, this is the last straw. She's made a bunch of stupid pro Trump decisions. Let's get rid of her. But you can't do that in the federal system. You can't strike anybody the no free strikes like we have in the state court system here in California. You have to just put up with the judge unless there's something really egregious that would justify recusal or dismissal,
like a drinking problem. Yeah, that's a good example. One of the sort of underlying issues in this case has always been the time that they kept getting pushed back and push back. This is never going to see the light of day, I mean, and clearly not before November, right, Yeah, So what happens now is the Jack Smith's going to go up to the
Eleventh Circuit. That's the problem for him. Seven of the twelve judges that the the Eleventh Circuit are appointed by Republican presidents, five by Democrats, and then whoever loses there goes up to the US Supreme Court. All this is going to take months and years, and as you say, if Donald Trump's elected, then his new Attorney general will of course dismiss all the Trump related cases. He could even pardon himself as to the federal charges, not state.
But yeah, from a timing standpoint, you know, this is tremendous news for Donald Trump. Royal Oaks. Thank you for the breakdown. Appreciate it, you bet, thanks Royle. Of course, ABC News legal analysts, we just got word. Also I mentioned the breaking news that RFK Junior will be getting Secret Service protection Kimberley Guilfoyle due to her face. Gosh, it's like Michael Jackson, I mean, what a beautiful girl. And then she I don't know what that is. That is clearly some things have been
done. She didn't need to do anything. Her face makes a lot of noise. I don't want you to do that. I shan't. The FBI is also saying now they have been able to access the shooter's phone. Okay, there were problems getting into it apparently, but they have been able to
unlock the phone. So this hopefully could bring some sort of information, some sort of pulling back the curtain as to potential motive for why he took shots at former President Trump, why he ended up killing a bystander and putting two others in the hospital. His father said, I don't know what the hell is going on. I mean, it was a complete shock. Apparently. His dad told police that the son told him on Saturday that he was headed to the gun range. Okay, that doesn't mean I'm headed to go shoot
the president or president. So there's plenty more. Again, the biggest news, how do you choose which is which of these is the biggest news? Can we go with the most recent biggest news, which is the vice presidential pick? J Van. I don't think anything's bigger than an assassination attempt we know nothing about more than forty eight hours later. Still, still, that's a good point. The second most important news, perhaps is that President former
president Trump has chosen vice president his vice president candidate as JD. Vance, the senator from Ohio. Former President Trump survived as an assassination attempt on Saturday. Everybody immediately called for the turning down of the temperature. Let's let's lower the rhetoric a little bit. We're getting a little crazy. And this is
a completely expected manifestation of all of that. And we heard that campaign itself, the Biden Harris campaign was going to kind of pull back at least a little bit, because they were actually canceling events today and tomorrow that both the president and vice president were supposed to be doing campaign events in order to Usually, by the way, it's kind of a given that the opposing party tamps down their campaign during the convention for the other party, well, just a
few moments ago we found out that JD. Vance, the Senator from Ohio, has been chosen as Trump's vice presidential running mate, and Joe Biden's Twitter account because he ain't doing it. Just a few minutes ago, wrote here's the deal about jd Vance. He talks a big game about working people, but now he and Trump want to raise taxes on middle class families while pushing more tax cuts for the rich. Well, I don't intend to let them. And if you're with me, pitch in, and then of course you
can click and donate to the Biden Harris campaign. So they're still they're still dropping some campaign issues out there. You said that they had this guy's phone, a twenty year old shooter. There was a retired law enforcement expert that was on the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force that said to Fox that modern technology can complicate the effort to discover the motive. That there are roadblocks up to breaking into these phones. He said, today in modern day America and criminal
investigations just inherently require the access or the use of these digital devices. No crime is committed without the criminal having evidence on a cell phone or some kind of digital device. A problem comes with trying to break into the device, he said. Getting into an encrypted device proves to be difficult, even if that phone is in the hands of the country's top agents. Certain companies like Apple. Of course we've talked about this ad nauseum can get into any of
these devices. I think that the privacy rights kind of go out the window here when you're talking about the assassination attempt of a former president, right well, and all this after the attack in Sam Bernardino, we saw this very similar. The FBI announced, in fact that they were unable to unlock one of the phones that they had recovered because of the security features, and Apple
was like, yeah, that's why they're called security features. It's just odd that no social media posts have been drudged up, that the phone hasn't been able to be gotten into. Yet, it leaves a lot of room for theories. That's the thing, is that that that vacuum. And I wonder where this was twenty years ago. I mean, I wonder what what's the right way to put this? I wonder what the mechanism for it would have been. Twenty years ago, we would not have had the expectation of immediate
news, immediate video, immediate audio that we do today. It's odd because the FBI came out more than fourteen hours ago and said that this guy acted alone. How do you know that? How can you say that, especially if you can't get into the phone and you can't see what all of his encrypted communicay was. Well, listen. I actually struggled with that on Saturday a bit. I think we were talking about it off the air when I was saying, you know, within an hour of the original attack, there
were still questions about what was what was he aiming at? I mean, was he shooting into the crowd and the president got nicked, or was he actually aiming at the president? Was this an actual assassination attempt? And I think there's still I mean, because the guy's dead, because we don't have those answers, that lack of information, that vacuum, of course is going to be filled by people with conspiracy theories. But are they conspiracy theories if
I don't know. I mean, there's there's so much that's going on with the story that's pretty I just find it interesting there's so little information about such a massive story. Yeah. The only other thing that I've really seen is that it's official now that the Secret Service Director, Kim Cheadle, will be
talking to the House Committee on Government Oversight and Accountability Monday morning. James Comer, in a statement said the United States Secret Service has a no fail mission, yet it failed on Saturday, and we're talking about that with Steve and I mentioned that on Saturday. Just the idea that counter terrorism organizations, law enforcement organizations, and groups have to be successful percent of the time. Yes, and it takes a terrorists or in this case of potential assassin one time.
They have to be right one time in order to succeed at what they do. So this is where where is the crack? Where was the crack? How do you figure out where to pin this? And is there some person individual responsible? Is it just somebody who gave up their posts for some reason or was this guy able just to exploit simple mistakes that were made. I mentioned the building where this guy scrambled onto the roof and opened fire.
He in fact was able to somehow get on top of this building despite the fact it was a staging area for the local police tactical team that was doing
overwatch of the crowd. Sources had previously told ABC News and NBC News in fact that the building had been swept, but investigators trying to figure out whether roof access had been properly locked down, The gunman did get access to the roof without a ladder, According to some sources that had been briefed on exactly what happened, Well, it looks like you can kind of crawl, like there's multi level buildings that lead up to that roof, Like there's a shed,
exap on the shed shed, get onto the roof, right, But that's three there, neither here nor there isn't it. How he got up under the roof? How did he get up onto the roof undetected? Well rifle? I think the other the images that we talked that we saw come out from late Saturday were images behind the president. You could see Secret Service snipers on the buildings behind the President, and they seemed to be looking in
the direction of from where the shots came. But that doesn't mean that they knew what they were looking at, or that they knew that there was a shooter over there. And I mean a lot of people have been saying, oh, they had them in their sights and they didn't have the ok to shoot. But when I talked to the former director of the FBI on Saturday night, a former assistant director, he was saying, there's no way that they would wait a guy dressed in civilian clothing hiding pointing a weapon at the
president. Because the snipers are all pointed out that way, there's no reason why somebody, even if they were on a sniper team, would have their gun pointed towards the president. So the question became what what would they have waited for that. There's some explanation in there about what the snipers saw or were looking for looking through their scopes. Did they have the guy in their sights? They weren't wait? Were they waiting for the go no, go
for launch? Whatever? I mean. There's hopefully some of the information would come out from the Secret Service briefing that's supposed to take place for some members of Congress today, but the public hearing will be on Monday. Let's go down the list of the things that happened just today, Okay that have nothing to do well, some of them have everything to do with the assassination attempt
from Saturday. But just today, right before the show started, we found out that the classified Documents case had been thrown out, the case against former President Trump. The judge in that case, Judge Allen Cannon, decided basically that Jack Smith, the Special Council, had been unconstitutionally pointed to take the case. Several politicians are suggesting that Jack Smith appeal that decision and take this thing back up to this or take this case specifically to the Supreme Court so
that they can make a decision on that. So that's one thing that happened today. The Biden campaign says that it was suspending it's fifty million dollar ad blitz because of what happened on Saturday. But if you remember the news that came out last week, it was that the big donors said ninety million in campaign pledged donations are frozen until you remove him. That this was not the campaign saying, you know what, out of respect for Donald Trump, we're
not going to run those ads. This is they can't get into the accounts to run the ads. They can't get into the money that it's that the fifty million dollar ad blitz would cost. That's funny. That's a better version of it. I mean, that's their is that, oh, we're not going to run these ads. You know, we're going to be a kinder, gentler campaign. Beloney that money's frozen. The Republican National Convention started in Milwaukee. Former President Trump is in Wisconsin, despite the fact that he was
shot in the ear on Saturday in that assassination attempt in Pennsylvania. They officially nominated him to be the Republican candidate coming up in November, and we just found out a short time ago that the vice presidential running mate will be James David Bowman. That was his first name before he was then adopted by his mother's third husband, James David Vance. JD. Vance the senator, junior
Senator from the Great State of Ohio. He just was elected last year, just assumed office January third elected in twenty two and then took office of the twenty three. Of course, came to prominence with the memoir from several years ago called Hillbilly Elegy. He at once called Trump America's hitler, said he was a giant fraud all of the things, and then kind of came around. Yeah, like I said, he's there are some things that he's probably had to explain. Man, you know, this is a guy who worked
and went to Yale Law School, worked in Silicon Valley. Yes, he comes from the Appalachia, but he also surrounded himself after he got out of there with the elite. He talks about that in the book and it's been years since I read it, but I believe he talks about that about how he saw Donald Trump become president and he and his friends were like, what, how did this happen? You know, because they're in their elite bubbles. And he goes back to his home and he talks to the people he
grew up with. He talks to family members who have been struggling with loss of jobs and addiction from the opioid crisis and just being helpless and realize that there are so many parts of the country that the elite don't listen to are they they are not exposed to. And that made so much sense to me that just because you have one experience in life doesn't mean that that's the experience everybody has. You have no idea what the struggles are for people in Appalaysia
where the the jobs have dried up. You know, they look at the career politicians, They look at the Joe Bidens or Barack Obama's as people that are so out of touch with their life. It's interesting because we've said before is what does Donald Trump know about somebody from rural steel mill, Ohio. I mean, he talks plainly, He doesn't talk above them. That's the problem they have with the elite politicians is that they You can't bs these people
right. They've lived in bs their whole life. They can see right through you. It's why a Gavin Newsom is never going to be president because he comes across his phony. Donald Trump goes into these towns and he talks like a person like he talks like a normal He talks like one of them. JD. Vance joined the Marine Corps as a combat correspondent in the Iraq War. He was in the public affairs division of the second Marine Aircraft Wing.
Went to Ohio State the Ohio State, graduated with BA in political science, graduated summa cum laud his political science and philosophy. After graduating, he went to Yale Law School. He was an editor at the Yale Law Journal. During his first year. One of the authors of Battle Him of the Tiger Mother, persuaded him to write his own memoir, which, of course after he gets his law degree in twenty thirteen, you're talking about Hillbilly Elogy,
the book that he ended up writing. So he considered it running for Senate against Shared Brown, declined not to or decided not to, and Eventually he ran for the seat that was vacated by Republican Rob Portman, and as we said, was elected in twenty two, sworn into the Senate January third, twenty twenty three. Very little government experience, at least political experience in terms of his time in the Senate. But he's there and that is going to
be his JD Vance will be Donald Trump's running mate. We don't know much about what the plan is for the rest of the day. At the Republican National Convention, they're still doing their role call and he's still I should say, they are still piling up the delegates that they need. They only needed twelve hundred and fifteen to win. They're well over twenty two hundred now. His wife is the daughter of Indian immigrants Usha think about her, Usha Chilli
Curry Vance. She was born in San Diego and the two met at Yale and then she went on to get her masters in philosophy Cambridge. Yeah, yeah, wow, but very very accomplished wife. There's enough for a JD Vance that he brings to the ticket. He's not going to be a distraction. Perhaps, I think that obviously Democrats are going to have plenty of things to pick on him about. Campaign wise, Well, he's very conservative,
very anti abortion. I think he at one point advocated for that federal ban at fifteen weeks, but has done the Donald Trump thing where he says, no, it should be left up to the states. But yeah, they're not gonna like anybody. Was there ever going to be a pick Donald Trump made where Democrats would be like, oh, okay, Well, I thought.
Another big announcement came out of the Department of Homeland Security. They said that they will be providing RFK Junior with Secret Service detail after more than a year. I believe of him asking for it. Of course, the part of it was back when he was said he might run as a Democrat for president, then he decided to run as an independent. So, man, a lot going on today, and I'm sure we're going to see it all week as we continue our coverage, of course of the Republican National Convention from
two thousand miles away. But we'll have a good time talking about everything that's going on all around the world. I just got a text from someone. You guys, go into either convention. You've been listening to the Gary and Shannon Show. You can always hear US live on KFI AM six forty nine am to one pm every Monday through Friday, and anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.