“The Manning 7” with Peyton Manning | 2013 Season Opener: Broncos vs. Ravens

greatest sports games of all time. In today's episode, the Baltimore Ravens versus the Denver Broncos on the NFL Kickoff Week one, twenty thirteen, we got Peyton Manning. On today, we got the sheriff. That's a big get. We got my second favorite Manning in the world. Secondly, my second favorite also, I guess actually I might even put him third. I might go Archie. Damn Archie. My dad loved Archie. Archie hasn't come on the show. No, he hasn't give paid.

But Archie didn't also knock Archie didn't knock me out of it. Two ABC Championships, fair enough, you know that's but he but he gave birth to someone who did. He he did, didn't give birth. That's not how bad I'm stupid. It was his seed, it was the seed though, it was his seed. But in Hin's site, you know, Peyton Maning, he did take Wes Welker. That gave him my opportunity. That opened things up for you, open things,

open things up. First thought, when you think of this game, I think Peydon Manning through seven freaking touchdowns in a game that's insane, and this set him off to set the pace for him to break the single season touchdown record fifty five fifty five. I mean, after watching this game and seeing the weapons that Peyton Maning had, Julius Thomas Wes Welker with his new edition that offseason, you know you have Damerius Thomas Eric Decker, who's just like

have you ever seen Eric Decker? Oh yeah, he's like so good looking, he's hot, dude's and he's a wonderful father. Yeah, he's a rad dack. He's a hand pull up a picture of Eric Decker. Yeah, dude, you get lost in his eyes. I mean he's tall, he's dark, he's handsome, he's got a receding hairline. He makes it look good. Look at him, Jesus, I like you threw a little nag though at the end. He's handsome, he's baldingbody pulls it off. He's my boy. He's my boy. He's a

handsome guy. You're a handsome guy, Julian And I like that though. Jeez. I don't know, dude, God God worked when he made that one. But back to our reactions, Uh yeah, when when you got those kind of weapons? Moreno, God, Well, where do you rank this offense all time? I mean Peyton had Edrin, James, Marvin Harrison, Reggie, Wayne, Brandon, Stokely, Dallas Clark on that Colts team? Where do you rank this all time? I mean the Brady twenty two thousand

and seven, twenty eighteen to one. I mean, you got some of these chief teams that everyone keeps putting up there. I mean it's hard because you got you got some really good offenses out there. And yeah, they did fifty five touchdowns. Did they win the Super Bowl this year? They did not? I don't know. I don't know, but let's just go back. I don't want to talk. We'll leave that for the close after we hear from Peyton himself. Let's go to Let's go to September fifth, twenty thirteen.

Number one movie, Lee Daniels The Butler. Did you see that one? I think? I think I did you know this was a Weinstein production movie. I did not see that movie. Well, this is it's weird say that movie. But I will not cancel this anti cancel whatever. Well that season in jail, it's different. That's different than anthe We are an anti cancel podcast, but Weinstein's an exception. You know, it's weird that it's a Weinstein production and

it's like a delicate film on race. It's it's literally like if you did Jeffrey Epstein presents the Elliott Page story or something like what are we doing? Weinstein's come on? Oh sorry, go ahead? Number one song Blurred Lines by Robin Think. Everyone remembers this, featuring t I and Farroh. Everybody's standa hey, I saw him, Emily Woodage kowski Ite, Oh my, yeah, they're on the map. Yeah, that put her on the map. That put her on the map. I just walked by and I saw him. She was

on what Chanel? Is she doing? Chanel? Now she're doing? Is she doing Chanel. We'll get that from Jackie at the end. But yeah, that song, it was a it was a hitter in thirteen. It was. It's tough because it's as date rapey as they come. But man, is the beat good? Right? It really? It really tested you know you want it? Like do you? I don't know? Oh I got it. This is also the year the world the word selfie. Oh my god, this is the year. Is this the year? What do we do? Because you

didn't do it. Before you did that, it wasn't a selfie. You were just a sad person. Like if you did it on like a disposable camera, you were a psycho. Yeah, it was. It definitely changed probably rout around this time. I remember I meet you ever heard the selfie kid? No, he's I met him at like the Grammys or something, and like he was notoriously known for like taking selfies with people. And I do remember this a little Yeah, yeah, they're looking at this guy. Yeah we took a selfie.

Oh me and j T. Whoa, that's like that's a good gimmick. In twenty fourteen, now it's like you're third's the thing and everyone does it. Thirteen You ever have someone trying to take a picture with you, and they don't do a selfie. They're like hand it to Somebody're like, what are you doing? When I came in another thirty seconds to this interaction, I I just take the picure. Sure you got the phone. It's honestly more personal now, Like, wouldn't you rather do a selfie? Like, hey, we were

close enough to take a selfie? Like, that's what I do. If I'm gonna ask someone for a picture, I'm going selfie. It's twenty twenty two. You flip up, you hit the little button, and we're wam bam. You Just to let everyone know, you can press on an iPhone the bottom of the left too, and it'll snap the photo. You don't have to bring your other hand in to do it. You can snap it with your other the left side. Oh yeah, who doesn't know that? Everyone should know that.

I see it all the time. Also, you can tell if someone's a little arrogant though, if they if they swipe up for the photo and it's already on them. You're like, you're sending selfie if it's not the other way. Yeah, I never thought about that. They looked into that. What else, Mom, jeans, Mom, jeans are cool? Is that the high cut? Is that the high cut? That was like the eighties jeans, the comfy. Yeah, they had the high up up here. They're coming back

to that. They haven't left, They never left. I see him all the time. Mariano pitched in his final game. You know what I will say about the Red Sox fans, It really kind of surprised me. They gave him a standing now. I remember they gave him a standing out and I was like, Wow, the Red Sox fans didn't expect that. Hey, Man Revere Rivera, Geez Mariano Rivera, Rivera, Rivera, Mario Mariano Rivera, Mario Mariano Rivera. You nailed it. Met

my guy a thousand times too. I apologize. We actually had a play name him a thousand times and that's how he said his name. Ah, like twice, but it sounded better one thousand. Yeah. Uh. We had a play that was named after him because you ran a stopper on the outside and he was the ultimate stopper or closer. The Patriots had to play named after a Yankees great. Yeah we did. I mean he was he was a great, all time great. He gotta you gotta tip your hat

to people that have that. He would come in the game you play, they play Enter Sandman and you would get chills. You knew the game was over. Just the greatest. What about this Snowden? Remember Edward Snowden And I say the Yeah, that was huge. Movies about the documentary? Uh they podcast? Docusees he's still in Russia. Le's he? Now, I don't know if he had to seek asylum he we we got to find that out. But he's definitely probably if he's in Russia. Probably not a good time

to be in Russia. Well, he his woman stayed by him. This woman like she went to Russia with him. Now, I don't I couldn't get a movement to move to New York. He got a woman to Russia? Are you kidding me? He's a closer. He's a closer. He's Mariana. Now, uh, when you like, does he have to like be a does he have to be scared of his life in Russia? For his life like there was the Russian government working

with him? Maybe or how does that work? I think as long as the US government hates and prudence like keep him around. Yeah, I'd still be scared. I'd still be scared. I want to live there. What we got Jackie? Yeah, it looks like he's been granted permanent residency in Russia as of twenty twenty. Permanent rut. That's how you get citizenship in Russia. You just piss off our government. That's how you do it. Jeez, what were you doing? What

was thirteen thirteen? It was it thirteen? This was fourteen thirteen. What was I doing? I had just come off I won a comedy festival in uh Atlanta called the Laughing Skull Festival, and that helped me. So I was on the road like every week, playing strip mall clubs, headlining some shithole rooms. So you want to comp I want to camp. There was a lot of there were a lot of comedians in it, and I shouldn't have won, is the truth? I I that's a true, that's a true,

that's a true champion, right? It was. They gave it to me because I was younger than the other guy. This other guy, Tom Simmons, super funny comic, had a better I did really well every round to get there, but in the final round I think he had a better set than me. But they gave it to him. But it's kind of like chopped though. You know, you have your your appetizer, you have your your maine, and

your dessert. If the guy that wins the dessert in the final two didn't win the appetizer or the main but got them over there, are you a chopped head? I like Child. I love Child. I used to love I used to watch it a lot more. I'm more of a guy Fierti grocery games guy. Now that's a good one too. I love the Food Network. There's something weirdly comforting about watching all these chefs have had like tortured lives too. They're like artists. They're like they all

used to be in like gangs and shit. You see them like tat it up. Yeah. I have got a lot of chef buddies. Let's just say they know at a party, they oh they, I mean, they go as hard as anybody. They they are maniacs because you can

get fucked up while you're cooking. You can, right, well they I asked them that, and they go, well, when you're in this lifestyle, you're always entertaining people, You're always you know, having to cook, and when you're cooking afterwards you're drinking and then you know, one thing leads to another. I don't know that's what you see them these like I think there was this guy, Irone Sanchez, you know, he's like one of the main guy and it was like, yeah,

cooking saved me from going down the wrong path. And I'm like, what fucking gang were you in? Would they let you walk off to pursue the culinary arts? Is that? Is that a normal thing? Are they that supportive? He had to get jumped out? Probably he had. He probably just cooked him a meal. If you think about these tacos were so good. We're giving you a second chance at life. That's who you get. Let's get in these teams.

Twenty thirteen Broncos thirteen and three. I believe one of those losses was to us when we came back from a twenty four to zero deficit at halftime in the Fox Did they knock you out of the playoffs? Yeah, they knocked you out of the plaoffs. So in the FC Championship they were first in the AFC West coach by John Fox, big player coach. I heard heard, uh, he used to have a lot of fun. Big wins. Week one against Baltimore, the defending Super Bowl Champions thirteen

against the Chiefs. Names clearly Peyton Manning, Damarius Thomas, my dog, Julius Thomas, Wes Welker, Eric Decker, Von Miller and Chris Harris Weet super Bowl MVP and von Miller too. Von Miller, yeah, stud. And then he just got another. He got another Super Bowl this last season. He's like thirty five and he's just got like another on hundred million dollar deal. I played the wrong position. God did not touch me enough to be big enough, fast enough, strong enough to tackle

quarterbacks for a living. God should have touched you more. You should have God should have molested you, dude. You would have been awesome. They were knocked out of the divisional round by the defender, by the Super Bowl Champions AFC. Or they were knocked out in the twenty twelve divisional round by the Ravens in two overtimes at Mile High. It was a little revenge game here, the little revenge game. And this was revenge. I mean paydon just torch them

five touchdowns in the second half. And to give some contexts, you know, Peyton, he was out from the Colts, had a severe neck injury comes back his first year with Denver, new team still has to get used to, you know, being a new environment. He was he was a god in Indianapolis for a long time. Falls short. They get a couple key additions the next year, and that's when this year started. In the twenty thirteen NFL kickoff against the Ravens, let's get over to the Ravens, who we

got defending Super Bowl champs. They beat the forty nine ers in the Horrorball Bowl. I mean that was the Harball the Harbawl. Joe Flacco man, remember blacked out there. Yeah, dude, we were like, I was, I remember this because we went that was Beyonce, right, that was a Beyonce. It could have been Beyonce. But I just remember the Niners went to the Super Bowl and with Cap and uh

we lost in the AFC Championship. And I was getting so many calls from all my Niners friends like if we go, if we go, if you guys go and the Niners go, you got to hook me up. And you know we didn't go, So damn coach by John Harball. Yeah, big Wing, Big wins Week ten Ver Cincinnati Notable Losses Week sixteen versus New England, and that was a huge win on the road in Baltimore, hostile environment, that place is always hard to play. We have Joe Flacco was on the team. Is he elite? Is he not elite?

He won two Super Bowls, got paid, won one Super Bowl? He definitely got paid. Justin Tucker arguably one of the most clutch kickers in the world. T Rice, remember ray Rice, Ray Rice was there. I remember that awful video obviously, and I remember wanting to see it because I was like, how horrible is this? I was just curious and I clicked on it and there was a YouTube ad before the videos like someone's making money off this. That's how fucked up the world is. Hey, that's what happens when

you live in a capitalist society. Buddy YouTube, man YouTube and Hellodi Nada. He was a beast, t Sizzle, Terrell Suggs. But they were lacking. They were lacking old ray Lewis and Reed. Yeah, the big two on that Big two. Yeah. This team was obviously coming off a Super Bowl win, lost a couple of key pieces on defense with Ray Lewis retiring and Edred off to Houston. H Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco former Colts on this team too. Dallas Clark was a tight end and they had Brandon Stokely. Stokely,

so we Paydon's former boys. This is this is kind of that. That was that was a little probably heart heartwarming to see those guys on the other side in a different uniform. Well he was in a different Uni Worm uniform. Things we remember from this game. I mean this, it's the seven touchdowns, it's Paydon being like, You're like, ship Peydon is still elite, Peydon is still one of the guys eyes. Yeah, Peyton came out with the booms for you know in twenty twelve, coming off that injury,

everyone was talking about his arm strength. Comes out this year, put in a lot of work. Was that something that you guys were talking about in the locker room. You're like, it is Peyton does he still have it or what? No, you knew you knew that with the severity of what the injury he was dealing with, that it was going to take him some time. Yeah, but you also know

with Peyton Manning, he's all about preparation. He's gonna get his team in the right play and he's he's gonna find a way to compete at a very high level, which he did this year by setting the record fifty five touchdown passes seven in a game. I mean, it's pretty mind bottling to hear these stats, say, mind bottling, Yeah, because I have to bottle up all my thoughts after thinking to be Jack to that one. It's boggling for sure. No,

it's bottling. I'm bottling all my thoughts up because I have so many thoughts I have to bottle them for you know what I'm thinking about Peyton Manning over here beating us in the the AFC Championship, you know, for you know, the first of two consecutive check Can we get a check on that? We'll accept it? Except, okay, I stand corrected. This is a statement game to start the season. What are some things that we've forgotten? You know, the lightning delay to start the game, the Ravens having

a Joe Flacco banner in Mile High Stadium. Why are they in? It's so weird. So that they had to play because of the Baltimore Orioles having a home game on this date, there was some mix up. They share a parking lot, so the Ravens had to play in Denver a home game. Yeah. I mean that's if I just won a super Bowl and we got to start the NFL season off on an away game. I would have been pissed on a game that should have been a home game. Yeah, well it shouldn't have Yeah, bullshit.

And it's also that altitude focks you up in Denver, right. I don't think it's that bad. It annoys me. I get allergies. You're more of like a badass jew and I'm more of like a Jewish stereotype. Yeah, you know, I'm You're more like I can tough through, and I'm more like, ah, my allergies are killing me. You gotta you gotta you gotta have that David mentality bubbs David. Yeah, David, I'm already walking different just doing a podcast with you. Man, I'm feeling the how's your neck? Are you able to

get down there? I'm working on it all right, all right? I mean, look, I play through pain too. It's a different type of pain, you know. You know, sometimes I pap a muscle relaxer to do it. Sometimes I just you know, say I can fucking I'm gonna do it. I can't do muscle relaxers. Why not. I don't know. I just get I don't like them, really, I don't like them. You put one of those, have a couple

of glasses of whiskey, you're gonna be feeling nice, my friend. Yeah, but then you just can't you can't even move something. Not my style, not my style, my style. And then we also the Elvis Dumerville off season facts gate, which resulted in him leaving right Denver. Which could you imagine if they had Dumerville and von Miller like going on with these next couple of years, which I believe the agent got fined. What are we doing? Agent? That's when

you're going to your agent? You fuck me? Yeah, because you'd rather be I mean, you'd rather be on this Denver team as a Yeah. I mean if you got someone like von Miller on the other side, and you got Peyton Manning and the weapons that they had, yeah, I mean, that's that's a complete football team. Yeah. Let's get over to the gaming corner presented by win Bet.

Let's make our prop bet. What do we think? And I think, uh, how many times can we compliment Eli Manning while talking to Peyton is a good one I'm an I'm an Eli Manning guy. When it comes to you know, Manning's let's just say that Eli is the man. I'm already doing it. I'm getting warmed up. So what's our over and under? Then? I think we can hit. I think we could hit. So let's say five to five. That's gonna be tough. You don't think we could do it.

We're gonna find out. Will we buckle under the pressure? Looking in the eyes of the great Peyton Manning? Oh, can we deliver and sing the praises of his brother NonStop? Only time will tell, We'll say we will find out here on games with names presented by win Bet. But all right, before we hear from Peyton, let's take a quick little break, and now we are going to welcome

a man that doesn't need really any introduction. Legend of the game, revolutionized the pre snap quarterback play, countless all pros, countless Pro Bowls, five time MVP, five time MVP, two time Super Bowl champ with two different teams. Pretty insane, Pretty crazy. We got Peyton Manning. Thank you for joining us, Bubs. Hey, Julian, thanks for having me. Thanks for not including my record against the Patriots. And that bio. I appreciate you leaving that part out, but it's great to be on with

you guys. Peyton, I can't say anything to you. You owned me and when you were in Denver and we're here to talk about the Peyton seven when you opened up the twenty thirteen season with seven touchdown passes against the defending Super Bowl champions, which always insane to come out firing hot like that. But I gotta open this up by just letting everybody know. If you guys can see, Peyton texts me. I haven't talked to him. Our booker booked us together and everything. I gotta text him thanks

for coming on. But he sent me a book, literally, a book of notes of this game. And I'm sitting here thinking like, is this what playing with Peyton would have been like? Is that what it would have been like? Just get these notes pre game on a Tuesday, going into Wednesday practice. Hey, I mean when you can't throw very far, when you can't run it all Julian preparations where you get an edge. So taking me back to

twenty thirteen, it's quite some time ago. So I had to do a little study in pregame scouting report if you will. Peyden, if you think you can't throw far, you should see me throw a football. It's pretty pathetic. You can throw it pretty far. Well, I don't know. I mean Jullians a quarterback as well. He probably has the best armor in the group right now. I don't know Peyton. I changed the receiver for a reason. Let's

just say that now. A lot of people don't realize, you know, when Peyton left the Colts, we were all in fucking shock, like what's gonna happen is is he's hurt? And the fact that like a folk hero like Peyton Manny wasn't playing in a season like it was fucking it was crazy. And then he goes in signs with Denver. First year gets knocked out in the divisional round against the defending or the Super Bowl champions of that year of the Ravens, and then next year goes in gets

a couple key with Wes Welker. I have a real quick question before we get into the game. How much is Adam Gates giving you for all the head coaching jobs that you've got him. I have not seen any residuals yet, but uh uh, Adam was great for me. Uh, yeah, Julian. It's funny. A lot of people wondered why I stayed uh in the AFC after UH, you know, getting let

go by the Colts. You know, you're tired of play in the Patriots in the playoffs, so you get tired to play at Baltimore and Uh, I really feel like that was the reason that I've stayed because I was an AFC guy. I was familiar with those teams. Sure we'd lost to him, but I missed the division. I felt like to go to the UNFC, I probably would have been out of my comfort zone. So I believe it or not, the Patriots and Ravens were a big part of probably why I chose Denver to stay in

the AFC and get into that. Now, when you signed with Denver, did you come in with your scheme, your system or very collaborative with that, like, hey, how do we make you comfortable? Yeah, that's a great point, great question. Uh, Denver was extremely collaborative, and you know, I was coming off an injury, so I was spending a lot of time on my rehab. I think to learn an entirely new offense. I'm matrit. An article on Kirk cousins who's learning. I want to say, like this third offense in the

past five years, but it's completely new offense. He said. He feels like an eighth grader playing tackle football for the first time. That is not a comfortable feeling as a quarterback. So for me, Denver basically took my Colt's playbook Julian and says, Peyton, we will put in all the plays that you like. We'll put in your snapcout. We'll call the formations the same way that you called them with the Colts, but these are some plays that we think will be good for you at this point

in your career. We'll form a hybrid offense and that allowed us to get off to a fast start in my first season in twenty twelve. Peyton, know, this is like your comeback. You know, it was weird to see you not play for you then your back It's like your Travolta pulp fiction Payton's back moment. You know, how much pain were you? And I've had neck problems where the doctor says I can't perform kind of lingus you're playing football, you know, I mean, how how much pain

were you in week to week? Yeah? My pain really started in twenty eleven, which forced me to have several surgeries which forced me to miss the entire season. My pain kind of went away after my surgeries. It was just my strength and my weakness. You know. I had you know, essentially nerve damage in my right arm and right hand, so I just couldn't function the way that I used to and I kind of lost my grip. I lost really my awareness of my arm in space

had appropriate reception issues. So listen, I've had this unbelievable string of help my entire career, going back to high school, college in the NFL. So missing that entire season was tough. I mean, I remember I was in a hospital bed in California watching the Colts play their opening game against the Texans, Carried Collins as the quarterback, and I don't

cry a lot, but I was emotional. I cried during that game because because I wasn't out there the first time I had been out there, and so that was tough. Uh So to finally get back out of the field, albeit with a new team, uh it was a It was It was a very satisfying feeling, knowing all that I've been through to get back to that point. It's weird when you're hurt the psyche that you have as an athlete. It's kind of like you want your team to do great, but you don't want them to do

too great. It's kind of like watching someone kiss your wife or like, you know, take your wife on a date. Some guys are in that. Some guys that's called the cuts, it's called the true competitors. Yeah, I mean, I mean that. Look, it was a it was a miserable scene and I'm injured, I'm not playing, our team is not winning. Uh, you know, it's it was just it was just a tough year all the way around. So twenty twelve couldn't have come

sooner enough. And you know, got off to the you know, a kind of a nude chapter with the Broncos, and it goes to show you the competitiveness and and the adversity of the ability to overcome adversity that Peyton shows throughout his career to literally, I mean, this guy had a nerve thing that where he couldn't grip a football. I've been on I've been on notice to tell everyone

that I hate quarterbacks with gloves. He gets the only exception, because you know, he could barely probably feel his arm. But that that goes to show you the competitor was stay in the conference. Fuck Brady, fuck the Ravens. We're gonna go out here. I know him, I'm gonna go beat him. And that's the kind of guy Peyton Manny is.

Now you're you're jumping into week one and week one, especially if you play in the opening night game, which this is the opening night game for the Ravens, but it took place in Mile High, which is usually kind of weird. We saw that. No, they were trying to make it somewhat of a home atmosphere. They had the Joe Flacco fucking banner on your guys' sideline. You guys kind of start slow. There's a lightning storm, there's rain, the place is probably electric because you do have the

defending Super Bowl champs. But after you guys score that first touchdown and after you get the adjustments going, because this is a game of adjustment, especially week one, you got teams that are game planning for fucking six months for this game. They got a whole new bunch of things that you haven't seen on tape. There's no tape to study, Like when did you settle down after that first touchdown is when you started seeing things. You started letting things lay out. All Right, we do this, We're

gonna get that. Yeah, I mean, Julia, like you said, the beginning of the game was very strange. I mean, the fact that Joe Flacco's picture was on mild Eve Stadium just tells you this is different, right, And you know, going back, I mean, like I said, the Ravens had beat us in a playoff game in Denver, a devastating loss. They hit this eighty yarder with like a few seconds left.

They go on to win the super Bowl, like you said, And you know, like when you win the Super Bowl, you're supposed to play your first game at home, right, I mean, that's kind of what you earned. And the Orioles didn't want to give up like a home Thursday baseball game because they share a parking lot. So nice partners, Baltimore Orioles, And they tell the Ravens, sorry, you're gonna have to go on the road and play your opening game as a Super Bowl champion in Denver. So I'm

sure the Ravens weren't real happy going in. We were motivated coming off that loss from the year before. There's a lot of emotion. You mentioned the rain delay. You're all ready to play all of a sudden, go sit in the locker room for forty five minutes. So it took us a while to get on track. And you know, everybody thinks, oh, you blew the Ravens out that day. We were actually down seventeen to fourteen going into the half, but we had you had a couple of touchdowns, hit

Julius Thomas on a couple of touchdowns. We felt like we had some momentum going into halftime, and then uh came out in the second half. It just uh, I mean it was just hard. It was hard to miss. Guys looked wide open to me. Uh, the ravage weren't missing ray Lewis. Okay, I will say that was significant, right. Ray Lewis had retired the season before. Right went out in style. Uh that was Look, that's a big that's

a big void, right. I felt like they were still recovering, uh from that loss, and uh, uh will take advantage of that. Ed Reid was gone as well. Remember he signed with the Jets, and people don't really Yeah, I mean that's that is the Ravens at that point, So

there's no doubt we took advantage of that. I can remember playing against the Ravens, and I bet you Peyton's got these seaming exact stories and you'd line up in a formation in a certain down and distance and fucking ray Lewis is calling out the play Like that's the kind of guy ray Lewis was. He was listening to everything that Peyton was saying. We all know Peyton's pre snaps, like theatrics. He's over here, given this that, trying to see get the defense to jump out of their disguise.

Then it becomes a chess match once you lose that figure and you have a guy like Peyton Minning who's a fucking player coach, Like once they figure it out, you knew something crazy was gonna happen. Like yeah, I mean, I couldn't agree more. Ray Ray was a quarterback there on defense. Then you add it Ry, who never lined up in the same place, was gonna do things the opposite of what he should do just to use the quarterback.

Although those guys weren't there, I will say that Ravens defense was extremely well coached, well trained because of Ray and Ed's presidence you know, the guys filling in for them were still strong football players, were very aware, understood our offensive game, playing our tendency. So it wasn't like it was a cakewalk by any means. But I will say I did not mind not seeing number fifty two

and number twenty in that game. In different now. You threw five touchdowns in the second half, that's almost more insane than seven in a game. Five and one half sounds insane against a well trained defense, against defending Super

Bowl champion. It was we hit, like I said Thomas a couple of times in the first half, we hit Welker down there on the goal line in the red zone, you know, kind of a place where Wes has sort of made his name on these little option routes, the same routes that Julian Rayan as well, hard to cover. And that was my first game with Wes. Right, we'd had offseason training head preseason, but you never really know

until you get into a game. So the fact that he and I hooked up for two touchdowns, if his very first game as a Bronco, was a really good feeling. And then I want to say, we get caught well down the left sideline and then we ended up hitting the Marrity Thomas on a go route on the right and then this scrubbing My favorite play. It was a one yard pass by me. You know, it was a screen pass to Demarrius, but we caught the Ravens in a blitz and look, I had thrown that wide receiver

screen before. I had never thrown it to a six ' four, two hundred and twenty two pound grown man and to Maryus bought that ball split the same and it it was gone. And he did that tid in our time together. So that was pretty cool to witness, even though I didn't really do anything on that play besides the one yard pass. Yeah, he says he didn't do anything, but he saw the tendencies at the defense gave him. He knew it was

fucking blitz zero. So the best thing to do to bleat beat blitz zero is throw the jailbreak screen on the outside. It's a matchup, but we also have very different definitions of not doing anything. I'll show you not doing anything. I'm a lazy man, but yeah, I mean you bring up Wes Welker. This is an interesting season. Wes comes to the Broncos you guys worked together for a first season, and that opened up things for Julian in New England to kind of do what West did. Ye,

So thank you, thank you Peyton. Well, I mean, I mean you're welcome. I guess, uh, I appreciate yeah, I uh yeah. Playing with Wes what was fun because you could tell of his knowledge, his understanding of defenses after playing with Tom playing of that sophisticated Patriots offense, so we were able to kind of pick up on a lot of things quickly. We sort of copied the Broncos uh uh platebook when I signed Julian. We incorporated a lot of the same routes and concepts that you guys

ran in New England. Hey, Wes, obviously you like this play, right, you like Gotti right, go with an option route. We're going to put that play in. And so that allowed West to play fast, especially in that first game. You know, you had so many different players and and and the great thing about what you could do is you could get the players in the best possible situation for their strengths.

And you saw that this whole game DT catch and run DT down the sideline, you know, Julius Thomas down the middle west on his option routes, his pick routes in the red area. And that's what a quarterback like Peyton can do now after stealing Wes Welker from us, which thank you, I appreciate that it gave me my opportunity along with Aaron Hernandez drama. You know, when guys are leaving, that gives opportunity for he left for a

different reason. He left for a different reason. But did you have kind of like a like a little fist pump moment when you go out and you steal Tom's favorite receiver and you give him two touchdowns in the first game. You know, it's funny like when you throw a touchdown in the first game to a new receiver, like you sort of think about all the things that happened prior to that. I remember being down in Miami.

I was playing golf with Dan Marino of all people, and saying, to day, I got to skip this whole and I called Wes Welker and went into full college recruiting mode. It right, just like when I was back at Tennessee, I felt like I had a good track record as a recruiting host. Right, I was a pretty good closer, and I went into that mode with Wes Welker. It was apart five. Gave me lots of time to give him all my cheesy pitch lines and kind of kind of sealed the deal. All of a sudden, you know,

he becomes the Broncos. We do off season growing together at Duke University, off campus, We're hanging out and you know, all those things matter, right, Julian. I mean all that time you spend together, It's not just on the NFL stadium field, right, It's these off season workouts in May and June and nobody's around. And to have all that hard work be put in in a short period of time and to have that payoff in that first game, and you know I would end up being kind of

a record breaking season. That was pretty cool. That makes all the hard work work. While to me, what kind of pitch are you giving, Wes? I mean, are you saying things like Tom doesn't love you like I love you, dude, Like he doesn't appreciate you. Yeah? Probably, so I'm afraid to you know, you know, eight on on you know other people, right, And that's what recruiting is, right, Hey, if you go to Georgia. There's no way you're gonna

get as good an education as you would get at Tennessee. Right, so it shouldn't even be shouldn't even be a comparison. So let's tell you got people to Tennessee the education, yeah, back then nothing else? Uh yeah, Look, I mean you pull out all stops a west, We're gonna throw it every time. You don't have to block. Uh you know, we're gonna you know, keep the ball outside. We won't send you across the middle, right, I mean, everything is

on the tape man. And you also, let's like you got d T, which you know I spend a little time with DT. You know, it's horrific what happened to our guy. You know, can you can you shine a little light on DT? I know you you set up a scholarship for uh de Marius? Yeah yeah, Now, I mean Julia Haaber is one of my favorite favorite teammates. Sweet guy, unbelievably talented, incredibly unselfish, right, put the team over self. You know, Look, receivers want the ball, I

get it. But Marius was different. I mean he took pride in the fact that defenses were double covering in right We're rolling a safety to his side, and that was going to allow Julius Thomas to be wide open, right. I mean, de Marius took pride, but he says, hey, because of me, they're focused on me, somebody else is going to have their day. That is not a normal attitude. I mean, was as excited to see my kids after the game. Coaches. Kids had this incredible smile, tough, played hurt,

never complained, never came out of the game. So yeah, I missed him every day. We started the scholarship at Georgia Tech in his honor. Every year, Julie and Georgia Tech is going to give the number eight jersey that was what Damarius wore at Georgia Tech on August eighth, eight eight of every year he was eighty eight for the Broncos. Eight. At Georgia They're gonna give to their top player leader senior, the number eighth jersey every year on that date. And I think that's a pretty cool

way to keep his legacy a lot. That's that's awesome. It's awesome. I mean, you know, with these kind of antics, it makes Peyton slide up in my mating scale of who I like more. Well, We got to talk about Eli for a second, because I'm a Giants fan. I love Eli. What he's done for this city. I mean, what he's done for our confidence. We've had some of the other franchises in New York. We're dragging a little bit. That the Giants won. It made me happy to see

you cheering for Eli at that first Super Bowl. I thought that was really cool. But there's got to be some sibling rivalry, especially once Eli got his second You're in Denver, was a part of you like, I gotta I gotta match my brother. Well, look, certainly that was the goal every year, and you know, we'd had great seasons in Indianapolis and some great regular seats at Denver, but just couldn't quite get o the Hawk, you know,

lost the Super Bowl. And so look extremely proud of Eli, the way he you know, handled himself, handled New York. You mentioned that Super Bowl. That was one of the greatest football experiences for me, and I was in the stands watching your brother lead a team in a two minute thrill to win a Super Bowl. So it's funny you mentioned Eli uh and the Ravens, you know, thinking about you know what happened in the past to get you to this point. You know, Super Bowl season two

thousand and seven, Hall of Fine and Dandy. I want to say it was two thousand and four, Eli's rookie year. They went to Baltimore against Ray Lewis and a kids ed reed. Eli tells the story better than that, better than him. But two things I remember about that game. He had a zero point zero quarterback rating, which is actually hard to do because it's not because it's not like over for twelve. It's like four for twenty seven with three interceptions and twenty one yards like the math

has to beer. You actually have to have a couple of completions to get the zero point zero rating. It's hard to do. And also, he said, Julian, you'll appreciate this. Eli was up there calling the bike. He's like, no, no, he a number fifty nine is the mic and Raves going no, no, no, fifty nine is out the mic. I'm the bike And Eli said, oh, yeah, you're right, fifty two is the mic. I mean it's not normal for the bike linebacker on the other team to be

dictating the protection call for the quarterback. So the Ravens had a big impact on Eli. I think getting to that Super Bowl. Uh you know several years later, well you talk about Kerry Collins, the Ravens beat my Giants with Kerry Collins. I think it was one and that was my first taste of that Ravens d when I was like, damn raight Louis two thousand, there's something else. But uh, yeah, we have in a tradition. There was a pride there. Lord dance thugs, you know, Adelius Thomas,

H McAllister. I mean, believe me, Peter Bulwer, they were, they were specials. They were and uh, it just goes to tell you, you know, with all the rough times for Eli Manning to you know, he getting called out Mike points by the other team, to see him go out there and and win two like he did. I mean, he's just got a short memory and that's what you have to have as an elite quarterback. And he did it twice against the Patriot. It made me very happy

New York about too. And when so you have this offensive, even this insane season, throw fifty five touchdowns, you set the record, where do you rank this offense? Not just for you but all the time because you had insane offenses in Indianapolis too. Yeah, I mean, look it was. It was you know, people say it's like playing a video game. In some ways, it was because we had a bunch of guys Welker, Julius Thomas, Eric Decker, uh Demarus Dreas and Tammy no show. They love football. They

loved it. They love to work, they love to practice, they love those offseason you know, throwing sessions. And so when you have a bunch of guys that just love it, that are unselfish, that realize, hey, today might be Decker's day, today might be Welfer's day. I mean it just made for a fun offense to play in. And we played, you know, some teams that we hadn't played a while, they didn't really have any idea what was coming. We through a ton of touchdowns I think against the old

NFC East, if you will. So, yeah, it's pretty cool. I see you know no Sean here in Denver, I see Joel Dreeson and you know, fifty five touchdowns in a sixteen game season, right, I mean they've gone to seventeen games. They still haven't gotten it. I'm sure it's going down. Brady's on a mission to break every record that I have, right, I mean, he will. He wants to break that fifty five and trust me, right Mahomes, I'm sure is going to get there at some point too.

So most of my records have fallen. That's one that's kind of on around, you know, for a little while. I mean to tell you how competitive Brady is now. He goes out and he gets more retirements than me, right, I mean what I mean seriously like you, I mean, can't I just have something you know over time? No? No, no, I'm gonna have two retirements. You know, I'm gonna have more than Peyton. Yeah, but Peyton he owned us when

you're in Denver. You owned us when you're in Denver. Okay, I get you're trying to be mister humble right now, but you became the sheriff in that that orange uniform that we all remember in the AFC Championship in thirteen fifteen, and we could keep it going, We could keep it going. But I have a quick question, Like we talk about the pre snap tendencies that you do. Did you jump into plays with two plays always or were you straight

audibling into other plays? Like did you have a check with me with a two high look, a one high look pass to run or was it? Did that change up according to who you're playing, because you're clearly a game playing kind of guy. Yeah, Julian, that's how it started way back when in Indianapolis. Uh. You know, around that two thousand, two thousand and one, Uh, we were calling almost three plays in the huddle. We were calling a run to the right, run to the left, and

then an alert to a pass play right. We were a one back offense, as you know, you know, when a fullback's in there, you can kind of call plays and it's called you know, c I alight call it and run it right. The fullback's gonna block the extra guy. In a what back offense, the defense can have too many guys in there and forcing to a bad place. We wanted the flexibility, and as we got into the no huddle, Uh, Julian, you know, basically I want to I'm gonna say its two thousand. We were starting a

lot of games. We were losing. We were down fourteen to nothing, and the coaches said, hey, let's go no puddle, let's pick it up. And we started playing well. And finally we said, why are we waiting to get down fourteen, nothing to go, no huddle, Let's just start the game that way. And that's how it began. And at that point we stopped doing the three plays and just kind

of calling one play. And then if I saw something that the defense was doing like that all outlets cover zero, I had the flexibility to audible to a wide receiver screen and get us out of bad plays. What's the main thing. It wasn't always trying to get to the perfect play, it was getting us out of bad situation. And because of that, that two thousand and no huddle like type offense. I mean, the last part of my like the final four parts four years of my career,

you're starting to see all this no huddle. Let's get to the ball, let's play fast, Let's tire out that defensive line. They got too many guys that get the quarterback. The faster you could play, the more the quarterback and the OC can talk to each other. So there's a little advantage with that. You can get lined up, you can see what the defense is doing. And he revolutionized that. I mean, that's what Peyton Manning was all about. Getting his team in the best play, in the best situation.

And you know you can argue there's no one better, and and you know I have nothing but respect. I always bust your goddamn balls because you know, you took two from me in the AFC Championship. And but I gotta love you because he also took Walker away. So you know, I just want to well, I certainly appreciate that you Joe, and I agree. You know, uh uh play callers right, some are on the sidelines, some are up in the there's a big debate, you know, what's

the better view. There's no doubt that the best view of the field is the quarterback on the field. Right. He can see everything, you know, if you can give him some some some you know, freedom to get you out of bad place. Hey, they're finally playing man the man let me check to a option route to Edelman in the slot, right, I mean press box sideline. Then even compare to the view that the quarterback has if

he can handle that freedom and responsibility, you know. So we had Brandon Marshall on here and he said he were he didn't play any playoff games, and this is games with names, and he's a good friend of mine. We were on inside the NFL, which streams on paramount plus of course, and so we had to do the Pro Bowl where he scored four touchdowns and recap that

for five to five touchdowns four I'm sorry four. And he was telling a story that you threw a dart route to him in the in the red area and he dropped it, and he said, you gave him the death stare from one thousand miles away for four minutes straight and you didn't throw the ball to him ever. Again, is that what to expect from Peyton Manning if you drop his ball? I mean the Pro Bowl. It's a different type of motivation, right, If you're lucky enough to

be named the starter. Usually the coaches that I played with, a starting quarterback, you can stay in as long as you want. When you're ready to come out, you want to come out, and the goal is to try to throw as many touchdowns as you can so you can get the MVP award and win the car. That is the goal, right. I remember Rich Gannon was the starter my first Pro Bowl. I was the third guy. Rich Cannon's like, I'm going down the field three times, I'm

gonna throw three touchdowns, I'm gonna win the car. I'm getting out on the second series, Jeff Fisher put me in the game because he wanted me to throw a touchdown to Jerry Rice because I like said that week could be cool to throw a touchdown to Jerry Rice. Rich Cannon was so mad, He's like, wait a minute, I'm not coming out like this. This is my deal. So when Marshall dropped that dart route, it was gonna be a touchdown and that I thought I needed that

touchdown to win the car and he dropped it. So yeah, and basically he cost me a car. Well, recently, Julian threw me the bathroom key on our floor and I bobbled it and there's been some trust issues since between us. So you gotta trust the guy that's catching your balls. Day. You gotta trust the guy that's catching your balls. And I don't catch your balls, Peyton, that's forgot touch it. If you touch it, you gotta catch it. That's the rule. Yeah. No, uh,

that's my rule of sex too. I don't know what that means, but uh, Peyden, Uh, what would do you wish you guys played together? I feel like you guys could have had a cool I mean, you had Welker who kind of did some similar stuff that Julian did. Yeah, do you guys think you could have had a cool connection. Oh? Absolutely, yeah. I mean, look, I love you know, just from watching from afore, I could tell Julian was a stuard of the game. I could tell him it's confidence Tom had

in him. And so look, I know what that's like. You know, Wes Welker, Brandon Stokely is another guy that kind of comes to mind. You know, it's the slot receiver, fearless across the mill, right. I mean, look, not not picking on guys that play outside, but you're in the slot. Julian will tell you you got linebackers in there, right, You've got ray Lewis the bike linebacker. You got safeties right, because you're going down the middle of field. It takes a special guy. And uh, and you really got to

understand defenses, right. You have to understand the difference between cover two, cover two, man, cover four, cover eight. Right. And then because of you know Brady and you know the quarterbacks are trying to confuse the defenses lining up and one defense on the snap rotating to a different defense. The receiver has to see that on the run. Nobody

did that better than Julie. Well, you gotta have like he said, you guys gotta have the same You gotta be on such the same page where what you're doing. You know, he wants you to do that, and he's got to trust you because that's where it's got to be, and that comes through repetition, like he said in the offseason, learning guy's body mechanics. But speaking of Tom, last question, I've gotten you on my podcast, I've gotten Eli and

my pad cast. Can you can you put a word into Tom to get him to come on my own goddamn podcast because I know you guys. I mean I'll try, you know, I mean, uh, you know getting Uh that's a big that's I mean, that's a big ask. I mean it's a big ask. I feel like, you know, it needs to be more than just a kind of a simple text joining. I mean, you gotta, you know, maybe send him something. You know, what do you send a man that has everything? What the fuck else can

you give him? He's got a model wife, he's got seven Super Bowls, two different teams? What do I do? Peyton, I don't know how to do this? Tell me about it? I write him? He you know, he retires the first time I asked for his address, I'm like, I'm not gonna just text you congrats on this incredible career. I write him this, you know, eloquent. It's probably self serving, but handwritten letter, cursive writing on my stationary. Mail it

bottle of wine? Right, mail it, congratulations? What kind of way? How expensive a wine? Are we talking? What do you get? Tom Brady as a one? I mean a nineteen ninety nine bottle? Right, he's I mean a yeah, nineteen ninety nine bottle, and he's rook here, No, two thousand, he was one hundred and ninety nine. Pick what year was he drafted? Thou two thousand thousand, one hundred and ninety nine,

pick right, two thousand bottle. Anyway, the point is when you come back and play, I should get the letter back and the wine back. No, oh, Tom, Tom's just keeping it right. I mean suppose when he reads the letter often just to see the nice things that I said about I'm like, if if he expects another letter whenever he retires in twenty thirty two, he's mistaken. It's like a destination wedding. If it doesn't work out, I want my money back for the flight. That's what I say.

It seems fair. It seems that seemed like too much to ask for. I mean, Peyton Manning, you see that he called himself the closer with those kind of skill sets to be able to give a handwritten cursive letter a bottle of wine from the year you were drafted. I'm sure he used to close a lot. Thank we love it, Giant. This is you might you might slide up, man, this might have to be a one A one B with the Peyton with the Mannings. You know what I mean. I like it. I like it. But uh, Peyton, thank

you a bunch for coming on. It's been awesome having you. It's been awesome seeing you on TV on your stream. Uh with Monday Night football. You're fucking killing it on there. Manning cast every commercial that I watch. It's awesome seeing you and those two. So uh, you know, I'm sure I'll be seeing and you probably when I get home and throw on my TV. So I look forward to seeing you. Hey, I appreciate it, Julian. Great to be all with you guys. Love the idea, I love the show.

Thanks for having me be a part of it. Thanks Bob. What's the legacy of this game, just that Peyton still got it. I mean he's still got it, and now was he still got it. He's still the MVP. I mean, this is crazy that he comes out guns blazing like this. Yeah, this is like ELI and the Super Bowl type behavior. Yeah, you know that just ruined my train of thought. Sam, thank you once again. But I am an ELI guy.

Like I said, when you sit down with it with a great like Peyton Maning and you interview him, it just reiterates why he was so good. Yeah, I mean anything from the three thousand, five hundred and sixty two word fucking essay he sent me before the interview, yes d to allow me to have his notes what about the game, to the preparation skills that he had, to the relationships he had with his teammates. You know that that's that's those are the intangibles. Those are the things

that make great leaders and great leaders, great quarterbacks. And and he had he tried to say he didn't have an arm. I mean, this guy was playing with like fucking broken nerves and nerve damage like most people wouldn't even be able to walk. And he's over here playing in football games. So fucking just a gritty guy, more gritty than I thought he actually, Uh, I think I think I put him. Was there ever a knock on him for not being gritty? No, I don't think there was.

But you know, you don't You don't think of Peyton Manning as like a greedy You kind of do. But you think when someone's such a skill guy, sometimes that knocks him down in the grid department. No, you just think of when you think of him, you think of a big brain. Yeah, you just think of, you know, hey, this guy, he's gonna get the team in the right

plates having a coach on the field. Just like you said when we were doing the interview, he goes, Hey, the best of you is the guy on the field, not the guy in the press box, not the coach on the sideline, the guy in the field. Yeah, and that's why he was so goddamn good. Yeah. Will willing to riff, Will willing to change, you know, at the line of scrimmage audible audible. Yeah. Other seven touchdown passing games we got Drew Brees at my New York Giants. Ugh,

we'll strike that. Nick Foles twenty thirteen against Nick Foles, seven touchdown game. Nick Foles had a very interesting career. Goshi Manning, Joe Capp, sid Luckman, Chicago, nineteen forty three. First the New York Giants. He's on the wall jew and he's a Jew. Yeah, I love it. Put a point up for the for the squad, for the tribe. Let's settle this prop bets Jack, what we got. We set the line at five and a half right at the buzzer. Sam got us to six, just like Eli.

The type of thing Eli would have done in a two minute drill. Yeah, we had to escape a few. Uh. I threw I threw that lean moments there too. I threw that Eli compliment right to Plexico. Now I think he more threw it into that team meeting and it miraculously came down on a helmet or cover five down the sideline in front of people. So Peyton Manning's current records, he is the most MVP awards. Aaron Rodgers is one behind with four. Do you think he'll catch that or no?

I don't know. It's it's gonna be tough. Aaron Rodgers lost his best target. We're gonna We're gonna see. Isn't that crazy? Ye? He re signs and they lose his dude. Yeah, when you when you put that much money towards the quarterback, would you have hard to keep others? That's how it goes. Would you have advised him to take less? I wouldn't have advised him to do anything. It's about him. Yeah, you know so, But that's not the Patriot way. What is the Patriot way? You tell me or the Patriots?

I can't tell you because that's the Patriot way, not telling people anything. Damn. It's like fight club. Is there a fight club? I don't not that I know. I thought we're just making soap over here, that's what we're doing. Yeah. I am Julian Edelman, my alter ego. He's my ulter comedic ego. When I fight is Edelm. When I do a little better, But when I when I tell a joke like morell, I just I look around. We got what what's the record Manny will hold the longest? Do

you think it's tough? Because you got these the seventeen game season now, so you know you and especially with how these offenses are going. Yeah, you know, spread shred. There's so many good football players. There's a lot of merging unbelievable young quarterbacks in this league. Who could touch it? Mahomes Alan who Yeah, Mahomes could get hot, could get hot. You just never know because the game's changed. You know, what if what is that the Peydon talks about Brady

touching all of his records? What if Paiden through for fifty six? Brady? Why did I say Peyton? Sorry? What if Brady through for fifty six? Oh? He's definitely gonna go for it. Yeah, he's got to. He wants them all. Yeah, he's lying. Yeah, King of the Jungle. Oh yeah, and I'm like little baby Mouf or baby Cimbo when he just raises me. And we got to get someone photoshop that of a Brady holding up a little Julian. It

was like that picture of you guys, fucking Brady. Can we get him on the can we get him on the podcast? What's going on here? Most touchdowns by a QB receiver duo in NFL history? Manning and Harrison? What's greenk? Gronk and Brady? Oh they need ten? Grunk and Brady need ten. He's grunking to play this year. I don't know. Mann and Harrison they really were They were the connection for so many years. Dude, that little back shoulder fade that I used to watch them run all the time.

It was it was nuts. Where does Peyton Manning land in the QB hierarchy? I think he's no doubt top five And it's like, where do you put him in the top five is a question? How about what do you think I would put him in? Top three? I think I would too. I think I think you gotta go Brady one. Is it Montana to? Or what you're going Montana to? No question? Right, I don't know Kyler. Where do you rank him? Jack? What do you you rank him? Three? Jack Manning? Yeah? Four? Jack Dante Culpepper,

he had a cannon. He also was on the mat and cover. I got a wild top five I put I think I go three too. He was incredible. He revolutionized the game. I mean incredible. Like he said in two thousand, he was runn this no huddle, It's getting played two minute quick, and that's what all the teams are doing now. I can remember putting those same types of schemes in NASCAR with the Patriots in like two thousand and nine, two thousand and ten, and then we

got away from it. Because it gets hard. You got to everyone on the same page. Everyone's got to be smart enough and to have a guy that can get everyone on the same page that quick. All the time. I mean everyone's saying yo, maha, everyone's saying all that stuff. Everyone's, you know, at the line of scrimmage, trying to dick around with the defense because that's what Peyton Manning did.

So this is a good one for you. Where do Demius, Thomas, Welker and decker a stack up against all time receiving rooms. I mean, they they were good. They were they were damn good. I'd have to put they have to be. They were probably top three four, top three, top four. Got I don't know that. I don't know the order I got. I'd have to put on all these films to really watch. I mean you got some, I mean, greatest show on turf. Tory Hold, Isaac Bruce, Ricky Proll. Yeah,

you know those old seventy Steeler teams. You had Lynn Swan, John Stalworth, then Peyton over at freaking the Colts had Marvin Harrison, Reggie, Wayne Dallas Clark left off Stokely here too, Stokely Dola Gronk and jewels. That's pretty good. Hey man, we don't we didn't get you know, we're not in that category. But we did win in the in the in the PA to two super Bowls. That's you know, when it mattered. We don't have the numbers, but you know we have the hardware, Rings and things out here.

Rings and things is the greatest offense of all time. It's in the it's in the conversation. I don't know if it's the best ever. Uh. I think the Rams you got to put in that conversation because the running back Christ and Marshall Fuck, I mean falk is without Falk, I think it's more of a conversation. But Marshall Fawk is like unlike anything I've ever seen. He could run with receivers. He could he could run her out like a receiver. He could run like an inside tackle running

running back. Yeah. Yeah, I have to go with the greatest show on turf or the I'm gonna go with the Seven Pats, you know, I'm gonna go with the Seven Giants. I think Eli and Plax had a great connection. Amani Tumor was a great security blanket. I mean, it's the thunder and lightning combo of a mad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs. I think it's it could be any of those groups. I personally lean O seven Giants. We all have our opinions. We all have our opinions. Sam, Yeah, Jack,

do we miss anything We hit our prop bet. We talked a little bit about Manning's record versus Patriots. He was six and eleven all time against Brady, but did have the edge in the playoffs three and two. Wow, which is a bit surprising. And we mentioned Eli recording that zero point zero in which that was true. That came in Week fourteen versus Baltimore and he was replaced in the fourth quarter by Kurt Warner. That was when Kurt Warner was with the Giants. Man yep one year.

We talked about the halftime show of The Hardball Bull that was Beyonce joined by Destiny's Child, and we mentioned Faxgate a little bit deeper on that. Elvis Dumerville agreed to take an eight million dollar contract instead of twelve with Denver, so he's taking a pay cut. I hope his agent did not commission him on that, because he fucked up pretty bad. His agent was running around Miami. It was a man. Okay, he was six minutes late getting it in and instead the Ravens signed him to

a five year contract worth thirty five million. His agent was fired, as you can imagine, but also fined twenty five thousand dollars by the NFLPA and suspended for six months. Yikes. He's a loser there, so that sucks. And oh we talked a little bit about the scheduling conflict which made this game take place in Denver. There was some parking issues the MLB Wooden Budge. There was also some religious

holiday exemptions down the line that the Orioles sighted. But in the long run, the Oriols ended up losing four to three to the Blue Jays that night. I'm hauling the fourth place in the Al East. I don't know if it's karma, it's just the Orioles. I think that's just what happened to the Orioles, but karma two for sure. Naming the game, is it the Manning seven? Gotta be the Maning seven. I like it because it reminds me of the Magnificent Seven too. It's kind of a fun title.

And then you also have the Brady six that old documentary were the six guys that were drafted before Brady. That made him cry on that one documentary. And we had long hair, long beautiful hair, and you know that made me cry when I saw him cry a little. Yeah, you know fired me up. You're connected, man, Let's score it stakes. It's a weak one game, so we got to go low on the stakes. Yeah, but it is the team that knocked you out. So there's pride at stake.

There's definitely pride. It's it's it's early in the year. You're learning your team. Five to five five five five five star power. You got to go pretty high here, I think. I mean you got Peyton Manning, Hall of Famer, you had d T Julius Thomas. This was a year ago. We were going even bigger because we lose Ray Lewis and Ed Reid's Yeah they weren't there, but that was a defending Super Bowl team and you had the elite

Joe Flacco on there. So Flacco got his ring. Man, I have to I'd have to give it to seven five seven five seven five gameplay. It's good gameplay because we're watching a guy put on a clinic, clinic and it started out a little slow. It was I mean, they were losing at halftime. The Denver Broncos were losing at halftime. So in the ra and the Ravens sniffer sniff around a little bit toward the end. So there's

a little excitement there was. We'll give that a seven five to yeah, as in also the name the Brady or the Manning seven seven seven, that seems appropriate. Seven. So what is this is a six point eight five? And there's no bias here because they knocked us out of the AFC Championship or anything either. You know, that's just how it goes. It goes. You can't win them all. You certainly cannot six point eight unless you're ELI, unless you're elying the Super Bowl against the Patriots, in which

case you can win them all. That is once again true, Sam, That's once again true. Let's hey, but this was a great episode. This was a great episode of Games with Names presented by win Bet. Thank you to all our listeners, our wonderful sponsors. Be sure to follow us on all the social platforms at Games with Names we have them on all write a review, click like, swipe, whatever you have to do. I'm Joan Edelman, I'm Sam mourrel thanks for listening,