“TBT Finals” with Big Cat | 2014 Inaugural Championship: Team Barstool vs. ND Alumni

before their eyes. This is twenty fourteen's the Basketball Tournament Championship. Hello, okay, and welcome to games with Names presented by Wisdom, Oh sorry, presented by win Bed of course, as you guys can tell, I'm Julian Edelman, I'm sammurrel one to search to find the greatest games of all time. And yes we're we're joined here today with the infamous Big Cat. What's up? How I feel great? And today we're gonna be talking

about the infamous twenty fourteen first Annual the Basketball Tournament Final. Yes, history, history, history, This thing's literally been under wraps for years. You haven't talked about this, Nope, nope. And this is Team Barstool versus the Notre Dame Fighting Alumni. Yes, yes, and it's uh, it is history. Because the Basketball Tournament is something people watch now, they watched it on regular ESPN. It's become a big deal. This was the first ever tournament, the

first ever championship. We could have been in history as being the inaugural champions and we did. Sometimes, you know, getting to the championship and losing is it's like the worst thing you can ever have. Yes, you know, you wish almost you losing like the divisional round or the championship, to get to the championship. So I can feel you gonna This is gonna really open you up a little bit. It's it's the pain of knowing you were right there, we were half away, and uh, like I said, it

would have been history. You know, if this, if the basketball tournament becomes something that lives on for a hundred years, they could always point back to us and be like that team won the first one ever. Instead were just erase from history. Oh it's amazing how quickly I got into this too. I was, this is the first non you know, professional sport thing we've done. WHOA, WHOA? Are you saying this wasn't a real No, I'm saying, I'm saying legally, this is the first one we can use

clips of on YouTube. What I'm saying, there we go. No, But I got into this quickly. The nostalgia, the NBA on NBC Music. You're using it takes me back. That was my favorite time to watch basketball, the whole thing, and it was Yeah, I mean the entire lead up to it, the tournament was very, very fun. It's a lot of our fans old school barstool like this is what they look to when Dave and I would go out and do stuff like this, and uh, it could have it could have been something we could have talked

about forever in glowing terms. Now it's instead something we just never bring up. We never ever bring it up. Never bring it up. We never bring it up. We just bury it away and pretend it never happened. To get up and go after this loss, right and go, Yeah, get up and go and just never talk about it, never talk about it. We also got to give a shout out because this is a team Hank podcast. Yes, Hank's in the building. Think how you feeling over there?

You're good. He's gonna come up to mic. So Hank is my memory, Hank. If every clip you see, Hank, this is truly old school barstool where it was Dave and I, Gaz and Hank all traveling around. They were videoing everything. It was you know, a four man operation. I don't think there was anyone else. And so he is here, is my is my memory? As you know jewels, sometimes memory, you know, evades us. So that's why he's here, does it? Yeah? You need a Hank who walks around

and tells you everything that happened in your life. Yeah, I'm also I was also very broken. I remember we were gonna go to the club and like, oh, we'll get to that or to that. Just there's a lot of side stories sad night. Yeah, can we start with how the team was assembled? Yes? Yes, So so Matt Walsh, who played at Florida, also played for the Heat. So he is a huge stooly longtime stooy friend of ours, and he approached us and he was like, Hey, there's

this new tournament that they're trying to put on. And essentially there's a component to the tournament that's a fan vote. So if you get enough fan votes, you get the one seed. You get to if you get to the championship, you get to pick your location. All these perks come with being the one seed. So he was like, hey, let's team up because he knows like Dave and I and Barstool has a big following. Matt said that he

would take care of the players. All we got to do is take care of the fan vote, which we crushed so much that like there were all these ancillary prizes that TBT was going to give away for anyone who had, Like, you know, if you get ten thousand people to vote for you, you you get this, if you get twenty, we crushed it so bad they just shut off all the prizes. They're like, you guys, can't get anything else. Tell me you got more votes than the best of the DMV. He had the best, the best

of the deal. And this is a brand new thing, so no one knows what it is. So so Matt puts together the team. His coach, the our coach, coach Ross Burns, who trains a bunch of NBA players. He's connected with a bunch of NBA players. The rule was you can't have any active NBA players on the roster. So but we got If you look at all the rosters and all the teams, we had by far the best talent because we had Dante Jones, who want to

ring with the Cavs. Two years later, played played for Duke, played in the NBA Josh Boone who he was still an NBA level town. Yeah, I know, he's an NBA level talent. Yeah in college? What they were in college? No, no no, all the guys were out of college but not a pro yet. Not no, no, they were they

were either overseas or washed up college athletes. So if you look at the all the rosters, right, I would say most of them, we were compiled of guys who played four years in college, maybe a year or two overseas at best, and then of working, you know, doing regular life. Right, you guys had two championship guys on your team. We had. We had pros that were still actively playing overseas, like Donny McGrath who played at Providence. He had a really good international career. Matt Walsh who

played at Florida had a really good international career. Are like quote unquote worst player who was like actually the guy got along with the most. Justin Burrell, he played for Saint John's. He then played overseas in Japan. Like all these guys were very very Andre Barrett what played at Seaton Hall. They were all I remember that, really

really good basketball players. So when you looked at our roster we had, like I think everyone on our roster had been to it at least bare minimum and NBA training camp, and every other roster didn't have anyone even close to them. This is ridiculous. They're pro players though pro technically you are. You can't have pros on the team. No, I'm a pro. Yeah, this is like some Daniel two. What is the kid who was like fifteen years old,

Daniel monte Monte. Yeah. I don't understand how they could play if they were as long as they didn't play in the NBA NBA only. Yeah, so they all these guys had been in the NBA or were like Dante Jones were working an NBA players. You couldn't grab Kevin Durant, correct, correct, But you can't know or would he do it, because it's obviously the injury risk. You never know in a hundred years he could. This is the tournament, that's true, This is what we're going on five years. Yeah, that's true.

That'd be great if Lebron just dominated it in like, you know, fifteen years and tried to presend they were real rings, which they would be real rings if I had won a ring. Whatever, the point of the tournament though was essentially they wanted to create a tournament every summer where they know they can capture the guys. Like if if you talk to any international guy who plays overseas, they play basically for nine months and they come back

for the entire summer. So they're trying to capture those guys, and they're trying to capture guys like you and guys like me. So we're we were very much the odd the odd ducks in this whole thing. But we we did provide like a pretty significant benefit to our team because we got the fan vote. So that's how it all started. I don't got the team the one seed. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if they still do the fan vote thing. They might have stopped after we

kind of like broke it. But the first initial tournament was set up where it was a big benefit if you could get a bunch of people to vote for your team, and we were able to do that, like we got we got uh, I think we got three different jerseys. Everyone else got one. Like all these perks that you had alternate jerseys, and we had alternate jerseys because we had so many fans and Latin nights jerseys.

If this was the WNBA, you might get suspended for what. Oh, they can't have like private planes, like if it's a it's an unfa true. Yeah, we did have an unfair advent. Know that's that's kind of ridiculous. Well, let's get back into June twenty eighth, twenty fourteen. We'll get back into the game. We like to go over pop history, big

cat things that were going on. What we were doing, dicking around having fun during the times of these games and when they were played and on this day in America, Transformer Age of Extinction was the best movie in the box office. Honestly, Which number one was this? What number was this? Number? Two? Three? Was this a Wahlberg one? I liked it. It was good. Can you guys pull up videos while we're doing this show right now? Yeah? You pull up videos right here? No? Yes, give me

a no what video? Uh? Big cat? Nick fancy fancy that's the number one hit right now, that's the number at this moment. Yes, yeah, I play that in and out. So yeah, that this is where you're taking us back to. This is when you're in it. I was at fourteen where I'm doing a terrible lipt up of the number one song in the country. Look for Me, I kind of look ripped you look you look strong. I was saying that in twenty fourteen, I was watching these videos.

I don't understand how Dave has gotten skinnier. I know, and you've kind of we we got big bone bodies. We boned it a little more. Yeah, I mean, blog life took a lot out of me. I was when I when I entered blog life, I was still doing CrossFit, and uh yeah, it all fell apart and you had kids, kids, like one back injury still haven't recovered from. I've recovered from the back injury. I just haven't gotten back in the gym. But you're still playing I was like eight

nine years ago. You still play herd. Yeah, you always always got to play hurd. It's a great guy. Yeah. But yeah, this was Yeah, this was early barstool. Like I mean, there's been a lot of iterations. You could say early barstool was when Dave was doing it solo. But this was old school barsol that a lot of people appreciated because it was truly like seven or eight of us total. Wow. Yeah, ground Floor now that one of the biggest companies in sports. Huge. The other thing

I see is ice bucket challenge? Do you know that me and Feidelberg started that? I saw Fidelberg at the game in a suit at the championship. He looked like a I don't know we did one. Yeah, so I don't remember people. I think there's been people who got mad when I say this out loud. But Pete Fradi's who's like, was a friend of Barstool. We went to his uh right, yeah, and we he challenged me and Feidelberg as the first challenge. Well that was for a

great cause. Yeah, so that he was. We were the first person to do, like to accept the challenge and the challenge I can't even remember. I'm sure Hank can find it. I probably challenged Dave and like Kevin and you know the rest of the Barstool guys. I think we were the first athlete to do it. I don't think so. I think I just said that I was the first. You were the first podcast by being in this game. Trulian we're doing he's played in sports. We're

doing one of his games. I forgot, you know, I've been hit a few times, Like Big Cat says, memory is not good, Sam, Where the fun Where are you? Where's my memory? Yeah? It was in college. I'm I'm going this is fun though, you guys are this is a great like the way you're doing this, because now I'm going down memory lane. Remember the Spurs heat That was the Lebron Cramp game where the Spurs turned off the AC Oh yeah, his competitive advantage. Yeah, and he

was like dying on the sideline. How come we don't have her hear anything about the Spurs doing stuff like that? Like if if we God forbid as Patriots were to do anything like that, there'd be a gate at the end of it. But that's actually a fair point. I did say. That's actually I did say Spurs are the NBA Patriots. I have said that Tracy Tracy, because that was right when we did fights and I did the the weight loss challenges. She was part of that video.

That's very funny. She's part of history. You're right, was that the only person I challenged? That's funny. Yeah, No, you're right though, that would be a c gate AC gate. Yeah. Shout out to Gracy Tracy engaged now to who Mojo? Yeah, Gracy's the old school. She's part of barstool history. She was always she was the best. She would I mean, she would always be down for any video. She was part of the first rundown. I think too, the first rundown.

I didn't realize Gracy Tracy was a yeah, yeah, huge Wow. Didn't think we'd be going down this path. But here we are. Here we are. Andrew Wiggins first pick in the Calves draft, traded for Kevin Love yeap worthwhile trade and retrospect obviously, and they won to ring. Yeah. Yeah, although you could argue could they have one multiple? Although I love Kevin Love so I'm gonna back him. He's my guy. And also wiggans kind He's figured out this year,

but it took him a while. Yeah, well he figured he's he is now getting the benefit of being around Steph Curry. It's like Andremond. Sometimes you see players and you have to ask yourself, like are they truly great? Or are they just playing with someone else great? That's like feeding them the ball? What are you trying to say? I'm talking about basketball? Oh, I'm talking about how you were talking about, you know, being around great players that

feed you the ball? Right? Is that a shot? No? No? No, is that a shot. No, that's not that's just how what I think of Andrew Wiggins on the Warriors. Now, okay, right, so like you have to separate, like is he truly great or is he just around greatness? It's hard to figure out it is. I guess it is. We're all just trying to figure it out. We're all just trying to figure it out. Sam's like, what the hell is going on between these two right now? There's like a

sexual tension here. It's kind of I want you guys to kiss What Julian, what were you doing in twenty fourteen? Twenty fourteen? We uh at this time, I think I just signed up contract to go back to the Patriots and we were in a I believe training camp or OTA's preparing for a deep run into the playoffs that soon turned into a Super Bowl victory against Seattle Seahawks. Was that your first big contract, like the big big one? That was my first big way? It wasn't a big contract.

What was it? I think it was like four years, nineteen million. I mean, that's still nineteen five, But that had to have been the first time where you were like I'm good now, not good forever, but like I'm I've made enough money now where I can be comfortable.

I was celebrating. I mean, I never thought I would get a contract like that, but you know, coming especially coming off of league minimum the year before, signed a one year deal, got hurt and bet on yourself, got a bet on yourself, and uh, you know, it was crazy. It was like pulling teeth to negotiate with the fucking Patriots. It's the absolute fucking worst. I literally had to set up a visit to get like two million more to go to the Niners, my hometown team, and as soon

as I got there, they found out. I got there and they fucking hit me up and they go, oh, well, this is the deal and I'll go, well, I'm gonna take this. I'm gonna take this interview. He goes, now, you know we're gonna pull this and if you if you do or if you don't, if you don't take it, by the end of the day, I'm like, what the fuck these guys are But I ended up signing. Yeah, they knew what they were doing. And what did you buy? What was the big purchase? I didn't buy shit, really

really nothing. I bought like a laptop. That's that's such a boring big contract. Per No, it actually you know what, I'm actually gonna back you up though, because like obviously there's been you know, through the course of barstool like where we're at now, I've had moments where it's like, oh, this is pretty nice, Like I have money now, and I never did buy anything big. It was more like I can just pop on Amazon and like like buy like seven like not even blank, you know exactly. Or

take your friends out to dinner. Yeah, I have to like cut up the check. Yeah, buy some shoes and not feel bad about it. Did you go did you do a big dinner the night of Yeah, I had a barbecue with my family and friends. Oh that's cheap, you know, very cheap, but you know, and then like like big Cat said, it was like all right, now I can go buy I can spend a thousand dollars on shoes, right. It's it's it is a weird like knowing, Yeah, you don't you don't like say like, oh, I'm gonna

go buy some big thing. It's more like I'm gonna buy all the things that I looked at and was like I shouldn't. Yeah, exactly, I have a friend who It's like, I have a friend who can't. He struggles to make ramp, but he has like four rolexes and ship like that one. I'm like, yeah, well you gotta you gotta get He's like, well, I can sell these any point, Like, but you won't. You like having the rolexes, Yeah, but he can't. I liked. I liked the thought process

of like I could sell these. I could. Yeah. There used to be back in the day when it was like, you know whatever, if you have a bad weekend gamble, it's like, well, I do have an Xbox I could sell anymore. You know Xboxes they go up in value every year. That's how they the original Xbox. You've been gambling that that long my whole life. I remember you remember the Red Ring of Death. Oh my god. I

hated that. You got to get it refurbished, right, Yeah, well you had to get refurbished or you had to do tow like the twenty four hour dryer and the towel, and then you just break it more and then it just ruins the warranty the worst. Yeah, Sam, what were you up to? I had just done I think it was just doing my first ever late night set. I'm like, I still live like it's the nineteen eighties. It's your comedian. I'm a comic. Yeah, so tell us a joke. Jesus Christ,

I'll tell you I did. I remember my first joke on on Conan. It didn't it did not get what I wanted. And then you have to fake smile for the next four minutes because you don't get that first laugh, and you're like, fucking kill me. Yeah, but uh yeah, the crowd wasn't hot. Sometimes you get a not hot it's five pm in Burbank. Sometimes you get a not hot crowd. It's a set. You run into the ground, and I remember I didn't. I was miserable for a year til I got to go back on and next

one was killer. Really yeah, but I was like, oh, I still stand by the joke. But it was a tough crowd. Damn. Yeah. That's and to know they do tape those before you you weren't like, hey, can we cut that? Can we do that again? I didn't know you. I didn't know. I didn't know you could like flub a joke and keep I thought it was like, I gotta just nail this. I thought it was like ice skating or something. But no, but I flubbed the joke this year on Cordon and I was like, I'm gonna

do it again. Like of course, I was like, I didn't know you could do that. Oh so you Oh that's awesome, you actually did do that. Yeah, I take I didn't know you could do that for like eight years. Wait so could you? Okay? So and then did people laugh more? Yeah? They actually laughed harder. The second you think that it's gonna go worse, but the second time, like, it's hilarious. He's telling the same joke. Yeah, he just changed a couple of words. What an idiot. That's a

great time. Yeah, yeah, you were up to this game. Yeah I was. Yeah, we were blogging. Mentally it was mentally good place, I think, and Hank's here he can back it up. Like twenty fourteen, I think we were right in that zone of things started to feel like they were all like getting bigger for barstool, you know what I mean. Like things started to slowly feel like, hey, we've got you know, the rundown. That's doing well, We've

got the blog set up. I think we actually around this time we went Hank Dave and I went and it would I wish we had like film the whole thing. We went and took a bunch of meetings in Hollywood to try to get the Rundown on TV, and we went to every meeting and we walked out and we're like we fucking crushed that, Like Comedy Central wants us and they want us bad like not we would walk out being like should we do like every night? Should we do like four nights a week with Comedy Central?

Like what do you think? We didn't get a single callback, not a second. Comedy Central wishes they called you back. But it was the funniest like we we were so imagine the most like gullible, like green dudes in Hollywood, like first time sitting down with these big meetings because you know Dave obviously he is a genius businessman, so everyone sees that now. But this is a time when this is our first step out of our bubble. And we thought every single meeting, we're like, oh my, like HBO,

yeah we sh should we do HBO? Should we do Comedy Central? There's pros and cons to both and not a single follow up. So I remember we did those pitch meetings all the time early in the career, we were going around doing the for our a documentary and same thing, but I hadn't. I rolled up to a pitch meeting, like we had a time, we needed to

get into this place, and I had my daughter. I ended up bringing like my eight month daughter into this pitch meeting to pitch Netflix over a fucking something, and we thought like, yeah, they liked the kids, Yeah it's gonna go. Didn't get the callback either, the one great story and you'll like this jewels we went into. I want to say, was IHF is that a station? No,

I know you're talking about that. There is IFC. We sit down and we're going through the meeting and they said and one of the like executives said something like, yeah, we're trying not to like do sophomore stuff. Like we got pitched like some stupid thing from the Gronks, and Dave stopped the meeting. He's like, I love the Gronks. The Gronks are our guys, and that was it. It was like the most awkward thing ever. But hind clothes like he just was like, don't say that about the Gronks,

and that was it. It's like all of it fucking We invited Hank into a couple of meetings. He was wearing shorts. He felt so awkward. It was awesome. Well, they were like I was just like going to sit like I wasn't going in the meetings and I was waiting in the waiting room like, oh, come in, and I was like getting Jim shorts was like, oh my god,

that's the brand. Though. The whole thing was just it's just such a like it's a very funny time and place for Barstool in general, just because of where we were and like trying to build something and we thought we had arrived, but we hadn't arrived yet, but we had that like it was coming soon though. Yeah, but we had Yeah, they well you're feeling the fans. You're feeling the fans and stuff, so they don't know. It takes them always a little longer to find out. But

those pitch meetings are brutal. I mean I remember doing them. You walk in, they're like, well, first off, we're huge fans, and you're like, well, you own a network and this is my fourth time here, right, so you're not a huge fans. You're not that big of fans. Yeah, that was the same thing like we were. We just thought because we were crushing it on our level, like what like in terms of blogs, like recognition, all these things were we were doing very well on our level. But

we we thought like everyone knew us. And then we got out there and like no one knew who takes It just takes them longer to They're always like two years behind. Yeah, they are always a few years behind. Let's get into these damn teams. Now, let's get to the meat of this whole thing. Team Barstool won their first four games of the tournament average margin victory of ten and a half points victories. Yeah, we I think

there was actually three three pretty much blowouts. And then we had a very close game against Princeton because they ran that stupid backdoor offense where you guys, you guys hot at the three. Because I heard a take that you like, these games are go out to blowouts because either a team's hot on three or not. Were you getting hot? You did hear that take? It's a maker miss league, maker miss league, just a make or miss league.

This was a maker miss league. And we had some like Donnie McGrath and Matt Walsh were both exceptional three point shooters in their college career, in their international career. So yeah, we were we were very hot. You also had Andre Barrett, went to Seaton Hall, Josh Boone, Yukon, Dan Katz, Wisconsin grad Yep, Justin Burrell, a lot of good players out of Wisconsin. Yeah. Remember Orlando Tucker. Yeah he's actually dead to the program now though, is he. Yeah,

what happened? He tried to so last year or two years ago, he taped Greg Guard having them players only meeting with the coach, and he basically tried to frame Greg Guard and be like to the ad like I should take over. He's lost the team, damn. And they found out that he was the one who leaked the tape, and so yeah, damn. But yeah, no, I loved went to school at the same time I was there. So

Devin Harris, Alonda Tucker, the Frank Kminsky, Sam Decker. Yeah, when you guys do season two, I'll come and talk about the twenty fifteen Wisconsin Duke Final and will be the most watched episode by far. They will because people just lot like they just it's a big school and they shot back to school. Back to school by any danger for the Classic at Wisconsin. Have you ever been to Madison? Have never been a Madison. It's a great place.

I've heard where they got like the little don't they do like a jump in the water for something or No, that's Ohio State. Oh yeah, Madison's a great city. Way off on that one comedy on State. Maybe the best comedy club in the country Madison, Wisconsin. Yeah, phenomenal. Yeah, I want to just point out something real quick. This is kind of like a foreshadowing if you scroll up again. So if you notice, so Justin Burrell also was on the team. But if you notice we have six, six

guys and then Dave and myself. Five guys play in a basketball game. Might have been a concern later on in the game, literallylater on in the turn. NBA teams usually at least an eight man rotation. Yeah, we had one guy off the bench. So yeah, you guys didn't see a lot of minutes. We saw some we went. I was in the barstool Philly game. Let's see. Have my stats are right there? Three points, one for five, three rebounds to assist. I mean I'm getting dirty and Philly. Yeah,

what is that? If I played what's the peer of that, Like, if I played, Let's say I played thirty five minutes seventh, wait six times? Someone do some maths for me. What would I have? The box score has it at a four? What do you mean? It says per four four? Yeah, I don't know what Pierre means. But Dave's Dames negative too. Dave's negative too. I always trust peer. I think it's the smartest stat out there. I love Pew. How is Dave because I see a lot of clips and he's

got the most unorthodox form I've ever seen. But they're going in, yes, they yeah, he does have an unorthodox form. All right, I'm looking right now. If I played thirty six minutes, I'd have eighteen points, eighteen rebounds and twelve assists. How about that? Yeah, that's a triple double. If I checked, if my grandma had balls, she'd be my grandpa. Let's get over these Notre Dame Fighting Irish alumni squad. Who

do we have over there? Sam? Uh? Well, we got Chris Thomas, Russell, Carter Tyrone, Nash Rob Kerrz, Ryan Ayres, and Torn Francis who will be joining us. We're getting one from the squad winning Chris Thomas by the way, I remember him. That's the thing. Like this team is players that played at Notre Dame that are obviously good back small players, but they didn't play They have chemistry, they all played under the same coach of Mike Bray,

but they didn't play at that next level. You know, they didn't play significant careers overseas and in the NBA. So you can take them going in. We're gonna crash. We're gonna smash them. You serious, We're smash them things. We remember. You guys had cool jerseys, very cool. It looked like space jams out there a little bit. Yeah,

the Purple Starfish. It was we and we had alternates and I think I still have one of my jerseys, which is like rare for me to hold on to something after I sell everything every few months from my pile. But yeah, those were very very cool jerseys. I think we had our own custom Uh what do we have? Sandals and stuff and like all these yes slides that was part of the fan vote perk. We were we were living large. This is like a this is like

a this is basically like go into a bowl game. Yes, yes, exactly, and we got all the we went to all the Bowl games at once, Like if we went to all the bowl games that collected all the prizes, what was the best thing you guys got. I mean the jerseys were sick, the slides were sick. I think we had better hotels. I think like there was even that level we were staying, like the four seasons and stuff. Four seasons. Yeah,

that's that's a pricey hotel. Yeah, but I think we got like the best accommodations as well, right right, Yeah, And well we were the first first four games were in Philadelphia. So were the championship you guys picked in Boston? Yeah, So that was that was the biggest perk was if you get the number one seed in the fan vote, you get to pick where the championship has taking place. Where was the game at, like where it was it

was the bu Gym. And the big thing was because of like our popularity at the time, we knew that we could actually have a true home environment and fill the place with our fans, which we did. So that was like a huge ace in r you know, or was a ace up your sleeve where it's like, hey, we're gonna go play this championship game there Throughout this entire tournament, there's basically been no fans, but then we're gonna show up to be you and it's gonna be

all fans, Notre Dame. When they see this. It was pretty loud and it was like we pass out shirts and we had everyone chanting. So it was a true home like a home game for us. Yeah. That it kind of it reminds me of like I don't know why I just popped in my head. This This whole thing reminds me of like you guys had great temmunity, has a great uniforms. It reminds me of like when Houston came to our house in the divisional round and they all had like letterman jacket Jackie. That's kind of

the vibes I got from this whole thing. Yeah, I wouldn't say we were the tightest team. They kind of the rest of the team was kind of like, why are these guys here? Yeah, because they were tired. Yeah, well, and Matt Walsh was like, no, they're cool, Like it's okay, cool, like we candle line, but they're cool. I ended up becoming good friends with Donnie McGrath and Justin Burrell, but

like Josh Boone, Dante Jones. Like I remember actually vividly before the final game, we were at a Starbucks and I was like going to pick up a coffee and Dante Jones was there, and a girl came up and asked for my picture, and then Dante Jones was like, oh, okay, so you guys actually do have fans, and it was like, yeah, we're not like complete shitheads. So the coach hated me. Yeah, good question, Hank. So I didn't get a lot of

playing time because the coach didn't like you. Well, clearly, what I was gonna say was it's a chicken or egg because I didn't get a lot of playing times. So I always went really hard in warm ups and he got very mad at me. He was like, you're going to injure someone because I was like boxing out because like, dude, I want to get a sweat in it.

I want to feel like I participated here. So warm ups I was like setting picks, throw like boxing people out like a couple, trying to block shots, taking charges, all that stuff, and he got very upset. Did you guys line up and do the weave? And shit, we did, Yeah, we did all that stuff. That's the last thing. Yeah, they were there. He was. He hated me though, I was. I was definitely the the problem child on the team. Was there a point where you thought you'd get into

that final game? I told him. I was like, I got some minutes if you need me, like, I'll get in there and I can at least give us a break and just start hacking people. But I think it was pretty clear we weren't going to get in anything for the team. Yeah, anything for the team. Yeah, And it was There were definitely moments we could talk about after the game, but like before the game, during the tournament, where you know there's a feeling Jewels, this never happened

to you because you played. But like when you're in the locker room after and everyone's played and you haven't, it hurts a little. Twenty eleven Super Bowl, I didn't play that much. You didn't know. I wasn't kickoff and that was a tough l right lost. Yeah, then we lose that game, so like and then you come in after and everyone's like tired, spent. I literally saw Matt light in the shower and I was like, all right, buddy,

because he played a rough one. He just looked at me and said I just retired, buddy, oh wow, And so like I didn't play, I didn't barely have worked up a sweat. See your comrades out there, it's a tough feeling to be around everyone else when you didn't contribute enough to the team. It's like when you get hurt and you're in the locker room. Yeah, guys just come in from like a hundred degree day. They work their fucking ass off, their sweating. Guys are like cramped

up on ivs. You just did an hour of fucking pool work. And guys are looking at you like are you really hurt? Right right? And they're looking at us like why are you taking up roster spots? We could use a little depth here. Did either you or Dave look at each other like maybe one of us should should replay, get replaced with like an x NBA player. Well, we actually had a couple. Shavelk Randolph, who I think

you guys might remember that name. He played to Duke and then Quincy Acy who played at play for the Knicks played for the Knicks, played a Baylor I want to say, or no, and that's a glue guy. You could have used a tough guy like that they were originally on the roster and they weren't able to make it because their international teams went deep into the playoffs. So yeah, there was some times where it's like, hey, it would be nice we had a couple more guys,

But yeah, I wish I could have helped. I wish I could help more. But I did remember when I say, eighteen eighteen and twelve, that's pretty good. It was pretty it was pretty decent. Let's get to the gaming corner presented by wind bet, which brings us to the betting corner. Let's get to the gaming corner presented by win bet. Relevant betting lines. We can't explain that. Don't really know. I think there might have been a line on this. Was there a line? Who what bookies were taking this?

I don't know, but I would imagine wasn't legal yet. Yeah, I would imagine we were favorites. We were definitely favorites. If like, if if you had asked for a line, if it was being played today, I would have said, they probably would have made us like five point favorites, four and a half point favorites, something like that or something over over a possession, because we were we had the name recognition, We had the home court, so I would say it would be around there. Portnoy's prediction was

seventy seven forty barstool. Yep, big Kat, you said if you were a gambling man, you would put twenty five k on barstool, So yeah, I am a gambling man, and I kind of did because I needed this money for pass gambling. So that's so I already had a bet on this game because I really needed this money. So how much did you put down in this game? Nothing but I but everything? If you get my drift I needed. I needed the twenty five k to pay for the twenty five k that ID already lost on

other things. What what? What game? Sports games? Every game name a game. I mean, this is what this is. This is right after March Madness, NBA playoffs and the worst time the June is the worst time of the year because it's September all the way through June. Yeah, and that is where I needed the reset button, and this was my reset button. This was gonna be my hit the reset button. I'm good. What do you say? HEYK? And they lost yep, yeah, we were out in LA

for that. Yeah. Yeah that sucked. So they won that though, didn't they? No, they lost that year twenty fourteen, they lost twenty and fifteen. They won fifteen, Which brings us to the point, all our listeners, you guys always bet responsibly. Don't use this right. Don't be caught in a game where it's don't be twenty five dollars if you win, nothing if you lose and you already owe twenty five thousand. Yeah, I see. I always hear, like real Richmond say, you

can't be out leverage, you can't be out leveraged. Yeah, right, responsibly, responsibly responsible, So the opposite of what I did. Correct, All right, I'm not a role model. Now we have this prop bet thing where when we do interviews we come up with some kind of stupid funny thing, kind of like super Troopers, the mew thing. How many times can we get it off we put an over under, or how many times we get an uh interviewee to say something one of our guests. What should we come

up with with the for torn Torrin? What should we throw in? I mean, I hate this guy. I don't even know him. I just hate him. I don't know why I think something negative would be good. I think how many times, Big Cat, I can say I hate you. Yeah, Okay, that's fine. I'm just gonna yeah, I'll just say hate him, hate Notre Dame. Yeah yeah yeah. But can we hit that? Yeah, I'm saying four and a half. We can hit you can get hit five? Yeah? Easy? All right, easy, all right.

We're gonna hear from old Torn. But before then, let's take a quick break, and we're joined here by our guest, Torn Francis, a Boston guy, played Notre Dame South Bend from O two to so Big Cat's probably not gonna be happy with him, not just because of this loss, because he also hates Notre Dame. Former McDonald's all American. He had turned pro when he turned seventeen years old. What a stud played currently playing in Argentina? Do they do they pronounce the l's different. I heard it's ka

not kaye. Yeah, that's the genre, that's that's the type of Spanish it is, that's the dialect. That's the dialect. I got an Argentinian friend. Well, Julian, you left out a big one. He's the winner of the first ever the basketball tournament, the first can't leave that out very first. First off, what the fuck are you doing playing in this game? Why not? Why not? That's a competitor, huh. I mean Notre Dame. My brothers came together to win it,

and we got it done. I mean, you got it all right, So I mean I hate you obviously, and I hate Notre Dame. I'll just get that out of the way. I really hate you guys. Ah what you guys should have lost that game, like you're not. We were better than you, no better on paper, but that doesn't mean you were a better teams respect what Let me ask you this, what was your second half game plan? Because it clearly changed and we just missed shots? Like, you guys didn't even win. We just missed shots. Hey,

that's that's the defense. You know. You didn't miss shots. We made you guys miss shots from the defense we were playing. So that was our that was our game plan second half. Just shurn up the defense and we weren't going to have a problem offensively, and so we

got it done. Like, you go into this game, and you guys definitely probably had a scouting department, you know, being the champions of this thing, with the resources that you guys probably had, with the scouting tape, you saw that there was six viable, really good guys, and you saw these two other guys that were like player coach or whatever they want to call their theirselves. Hey, Bill Russell as a player coach. Bill Russell was a player coach.

But like, did you guys know in the like in your heart at the beginning of the game, you guys want to blow these fools out or it was gonna be a close game of what was going on? Listen, every time, every step, every time we step on the court, we're going to win. It doesn't matter who the other team had. You know, we're in the same position as they were in the finals with them, So you know, for us, it was a it was an even playing field.

And I just think that we had we have actually played together, you know, obviously it had been at different times throughout our careers, but we had played together. We're familiar with each other, so I think we actually had the advantage. How about a seven game series? Who takes this? Oh easily? Us easily? I have you guys got lucky for one game and and you know, tip your hat to you for that. I like I said, I hate you guys, but I'll tip my hat you got lucky

for one game. I don't think if you play seven game series, I think real talent wins. Out. Let me ask you this, did you see my stat line from the game against Philly where you like, this guy might get in and he might have some minutes in him because I had we did the math. If I played thirty six minutes in that game, I would add eighteen, eighteen and twelve. So how many minutes did you play? And what'd you have? I played three minutes, I had three,

three and two. But it just, I mean, you got you had to see us and be like, who knows ultimate wild card? Everyone else knows? Everyone else here? Who are these two guys at the end of the bench. Yeah, but sometimes you have to remember it's only one basketball. So sure, yeah you had you know, Dina McGrath, Josh Boone, Dante Jones, you know, you had all the names, but there's still only one basketball. We see it, We see it even today everywhere. You know, look at the Lakers,

look at the nets. You know, just it doesn't matter who you have on the roster necessarily, it's all about who comes to play at that particular moment, you know, And so I would have to disagree with you. I know we'll still win in a seven game series. Nah. Nah, what do you think that we suffered from no bench depth? I think so you guys were tired, you know, I had I was not tired by the end of the game. I just want to say that I still had some legs in me. But yeah, I mean having six guys

it hurt. It hurt us at the end when we couldn't felt like the jump shots weren't getting made. It's a make or miss league, and that's all part of the game. You have to take all that into account. How meaningful does this win for you? It was great? It was It was great, you know, partly because a lot of the other guys that are actually I work out with them during the summer, you know, and so those are guys I see on a daily basis. So

that was good there. And then you know, just to come together with my brothers win the very first championship, you know, so we go down in history as a as a as a first winners, and it was just a great time for us to get together and catch up. Torn. It's forty thirty five team Barstool at Half, who were the raw Rock guys in the locker room. What were

you guys saying. I know you guys weren't down a lot, but you know, you guys clearly made some halftime adjustments that Team Barstool did not do to come out on top at the end. What sparked that? Yeah, Well, you know, we all came together in the locker We all came together. You know, Chris Thomas was obviously running the point, you know, so I remember he basically gave us that presence in the locker room saying, we just have to go out and do it, you know, And so that's what we did.

We all came together. Well, we were all vocal, so we all had an equal part in getting it done. I hate you, That's all I gotta say. I don't hate, don't hate. Yeah, I mean you guys whatever, listen. I don't want to point fingers because I'm a good teammate. But if Matt Walsh just hit like one more three, we would have been fine. But he just decided to go as cold as cold could be. He and Donnie

like just missed everything. I mean, you know, I think I think any loser can say that if we would have done this, we would have won, you know, So that's that hurt. That hurt what he just said. But he's right, he's completely right. He's now for you, big We've all done it. Yeah, we've all done it now,

big Cat. When did you guys start to panic? I think it was so it was like without five minutes left, it was back and forth and there was it was like basically a one possession game, and then it became a two possession game. I think it might have been like an Andre Barrett turnover something. I remember. The two things I remember from the end of the game was Matt walshon Donni McGrath sucked and couldn't hit anything, not

to point fingers. And then you guys had really good pressure on Andre Barrett coming up the court and we were able to force a couple turnovers because he had to. He had to basically do it all in terms of dribbling the ball and being the point guard for the entire game. And I remember that happening and being like, oh, we might be in trouble here, and that's what I said. It was. It came down to the defense second half.

I think that's really what what separated us. And obviously gave us that that boost that we needed to get it, get the win. Torn Like, after you guys win this, I mean this is the first annual, the first of the annual tournament. Like, would you guys do to celebrate with all that money? Oh, we went out. You know, I'm from Boston, so we already had the table set up at the club win or lose, you know, so obviously it was much better that we won. So we

went out, celebrated and just hung out. Now you know, I've played in super Bowls where you lose and you still have like a post party, Like, did you guys? Clearly did you guys? We did go out. We did go out. We got I was locked up. We didn't go to the club. Dave had a whole setup. He Dave was actually he was ready to spend every single dollar that we wont, like twenty five thousand dollars on just that night. He was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna see if I can spend all the money on just tonight.

So then when we lost, we canceled all that and just went out regularly. And it sucked. You hit like an old timey pub or something. This energy Hank Hank was I think I went. Yeah, I think me and Feidelberg and Matt Walsh went out, and yeah it was. It sucked though, because Dave really was like before the game, he was like, I'm I don't want to walk away with a dollar after this, Like I want twenty five thousand dollars to spend it all on tonight. Now, you

guys didn't spend all your money that night? Would you? Guys? Would you do you buy a loved one in a little something or you buy a little devil's lettuce and Grampa's old cough medicine. What did you do? Yeah, I mean we didn't spend that night. I told you we already had. I think we went to the venue. Actually we had a table over there. And as far as my winnings, I think I that just wanted that just went into investments. I believe from what I remember, boring

was boring. That's what I'm saying. That's why I hate you guys, because you guys didn't. You weren't gonna do anything fun with it. I was gonna do something fun with it. That's not what you want to hear. If from winning a championship, mutual fun, Yeah, it was financially responsible with my winnings. Dude, I have four kids. You have kids. I'm a father too. I'm a father of one. Yeah, you know this is we got the kid game here. Yeah, we played kid game all day. I hate you. Now.

Did we miss anything? Is there anything that you remember in this game? Any any like elbows or any faces from you know, guys that were sitting on the bench from the other team, or any antics or no. So I just remember that it got loud. I'm from Boston, so I had a ton of people there, and then I think Notre Dame. We just had a ton of fans there in general, you know. So it got loud and the fans were actually jumping up and down and the floor was shaking. I don't know. I don't know

if you remember that you're on the bench. I don't know if you remember that that did not happen. You did not have that many fans there. That's just a lie. The floor was literally shaking. What percentage would you say was there for barstool and who is Notre Dame people in there? Torrent it was I would probably say it was fifty to fifty. Oh my god, this is I mean I have Hey, you're shaking his head too, that's a complete line. I do remember there was a pocket

of Notre Dame fans, so I'll give you that. Like I would say, there was probably maybe twenty percent Notre Dame fans. Maybe we appreciate the truth though, because you know, people over in this area that were sitting we were saying that it was like one hundred percent one. I mean it might have it was closer to one hundred percent than fifty to fifty. And you know that. Oh no, I mean I would say, I don't remember exactly, but I just remember our fans. Maybe that's why because they

were showing us love. Obviously your fans, you guys were losing, so they were quiet, so there was there wasn't really a fan presence there, So I'm just going from what I remember. It was also bullshit that you brought Mike Bray there, because, like I'm I'm convinced he went in the locker room at halftime and coach you guys, Like I know that that way, I know that happened. I saw him. He was wearing a stupid mock turtleneck and I was like, this guy, he's they're cheating, They're using

a coach. It's bullshit. I got a question, what do you think would have happened? What do you think would have happened? If Dave or Big Cat got into the game with some fresh legs out there fourth quarter? Maybe they bring some energy. What do you think would the outcome? Are indifferent? I think we would have won my more. Actually, just because you would have got you would have gotten you were I would have fouled out, and I would have made sure that you had to be on the

free throw line. What are you percentage wise free throw shooter? I'm around seventy percent. That's terrible. Yeah, it is it? Actually is it? Actually? Is? There we go now, I feel like I'm back right. I found something. I would have hacked you, and then you would have made roughly seventy percent of your free throws. Yeah, nah, I'm good. So I'm actually not playing anymore. So I stopped playing. I stopped playing for about a year now. Oh that's funny,

because I still am playing. Looks like my career lasted longer than yours. But it's like riding a bike when I step on the court. Is you know, it's nothing lost. I'm just not. I'm just not playing. Why do you stop playing? Why? Just because I played fifteen years and with the pandemic and everything, you know, all the money was down. So I said, now now it's probably a good time to transition into life after basketball. I got a question, So you played overseas. Is it true that

all the guys who play overseas never pay taxes? No, that's not true. So when you when you're actually be paying taxes. So when you play overseaser, you have to pay taxes in the country you're playing in, and so you don't have to pay taxes twice, you know, from from playing one in one country to paying here the federal taxes. Plus you have a tax exemption when you're working abroad, you know, and so most of the time

the federal taxes were exempts. It was just primarily the state taxes that you have to pay for, you know, whatever property or whatever you own. Yeah, I heard you just never those guys never paid taxes. So just I'm just putting it out there. Not anyone from the irs is listening. He's going he's going long game victory. If you can get just one of you in jail, Sure he pay tax and the whole team Notre Dame gets audited for twenty fourteen. I'd appreciate that. Taxes on my money.

I won too, tourn Did we miss anything, Nah, No, I mean it was you know, it was a great It was especially for the first the first year, it was amazing. It was a great experience. You know. Me, Donnie's actually one of my best friends, so we still talk about that to this day. But it was it was a great time. Unfortunately we could have win the next year, but it was still it was still a great time touring. Just remember, no one remembers second place.

You will always be remembered for being the first tournament winner of this immaculate tournament that is continuing five consecutive, six consecutive years. Now, one hundred years down the road, we could be talking about this being the first one. We thank you for coming on and joining us. And it was great to hear the perspective from you know, the winning squad. We we sat here for you know, good thirty five to forty minutes and talked with the

team barstool and they gave us their perspective. It's always good to hear a winning perspective coming from you know winning environment in Boston that I know you're from, So thank you again for joining us. Thank you for having me. Let me know, if you guys want to picture of me holding that big check you didn't pay taxes on, send it over for you. Definitely we'll have to get that.

And uh we're gonna send you in insane gift basket that I heard that team Barstool had some you know, they had a lot of resources and it probably a lot of advantages. So we're gonna try to take care of you on that. And uh, appreciate you coming on, Bubbs, thanks for having me. Thanks man, still hate you and Notre Dame thanks to Wow you could still feel the heat between the two competitors. I mean, what a champion. He was just a true gentleman. I mean that was

he was great, not a starter. It came off the bench just like me. I mean, the only difference is he actually played I didn't whatever. I mean, six MANI of a Year award like that's he's a huge part of the team. Will always remember the Jamal Crawford of the tournament here. Yeah yeah, I mean I he said everything that I already know deep down, like when it

came to that game. It was a bunch of guys who are really talented versus a bunch of guys who played in the exact same system in college and knew, you know, how to run the same offense, how to play team defense. That's what killed us. Chemistry over talent. Yep. It's like it's like when the Team USA teams come together and they go against like Spain or something. Yeah, no, it's tough. It's tough to build chemistry. Actually, the way we really should think about it is we went to

the finals and we were leading at halftime. We built chemistry. Dave and I built chemistry on that team in like a matter of two weeks. So that's really how you should look at it. So then technically, the next time you guys play, you guys should be able to take it easy. So when it is it gonna happen, are you gonna get a team together? No, we've retired, we've banned ourselves from TBT, but the prize has gone up.

I think we do one last ride. No no, no, no no no. They they refuse to let me sing the national anthem at the championship games, so they're dead to us. That's true, have you done any national anthems? I have done many national anthems where ruff and rowdy, Wendy City, thunderbolts in Chicago. What else? No Cubs, Jack Jack's trying to We got a little bit of breaking news on the subject from the head of the TBT, John Muger Mugar Mugar Okay. In an email to Games with Names.

He said that game was also notable because it initiated a now eight year ban on TBT by Barstool. Portnoy asked to sing the national anthem before the game and was denied, so they never entered a team again. When TBT has come up over the years on their podcasts, both Big Cat and Portnoy have said things like, quote they're dead to us end quote, we don't talk about TBT, so it's good to hear Big Cats willing to talk about it. Well, this is the first step to maybe

you guys going back revisiting. Yeah, well no, that's a no, because I'm actually looking it up right now. Let's see from twenty fifteen, he wrote me this, I think the last time I talked to me, said Dave calling me a cocksucker on the rundown really sucks. I didn't want you to sing the anthem because I wanted to set a different tone for the championship game. It's that simple. I appreciated your involvement, still do, and I know it led to a great atmosphere for the final. I still

don't agree with his like day. Basically, we packed a house, we got a bunch of people tuned in. All we wanted to do was the anthem. They wouldn't let us do it. He didn't play any points they could have, or you didn't play any minutes so you could at least got the anthem in right, And from our perspective, it's like, you're gonna use this in sizzle reels. We helped you initially, like you're starting out and everything. Let us sing the anthem. So yeah, I think the band

is still there. Did Tebu sang the anthem? Ah? Some no names? One I don't know, probably sucked. I don't really. I think I I mightn't. I might have neelt. I might I might have been kneeling for the anthem because of that. Imagine if we went back and I was the first one to kneel. But it was completely selfish reason that it was like I'm just kneeling because I'm a big man child who's Maddie can't sing the anthem? Jack? Did we settle that prop? Bet? Oh? He crushed Oh

we crushed it. Yeah. Seven hates Yeah, he hate me. I don't even hate that guy, to be honest. He seemed like a good guy. Yeah, he seemed like a good guy. And if he's friends with Donnie, that's the thing is at the end of the day, we lost the game, but I made lifelong friends in Donnie McGrath, Matt Walsh, Justin Burrell. I think that's about it. I wouldn't what mall Yeah from Rory and Mal you know Mal from uh what was it from the Joe Budden podcast kicked off? No, he's he was part of the

Joe Budden podcast. He's now a very famous podcaster with Rory. He was on the sideline with us, he was on the bench with us because he's good friends with Andre Barrett, so lifelong friends. I don't know if Dante Jones would ever pick up my call if I if I track down his number, I don't think he'd recognized me either. Yeah one with the Cavs. Couldn't couldn't lift you guys up.

I know, I know that's kind, but you know what, at the end of the day, like when he wins the NBA title in twenty sixteen, it felt like all of us won one. Sure because you play you shared a court with, right. Do you think he would have traded that one and have won with you guys? Probably if you ask him for real. Yeah, probably at that time because he wasn't in the NBA. He needed the money. So there it is. And I defended him. I was the enforcer on the team. I defended him earlier in

the tournament with a brew haha. So what are you gonna do? I always have his back. But if he goes out and wins this, maybe he doesn't get that, Maybe he doesn't have the fire. Maybe Lebron never wins a title in Cleveland. Yeah so if so, I basically screwed myself. You screwed yourself. Butterfly effect. Damn, that's brutal. This game directly affected Cleveland's first and only championship. It's crazy. Yes, that's how important. Cleveland should thank you. Cleveland should thank

me absolutely. Wow, that's you learned something new every day. Yeah, who's the real winner of this? TBT clearly because BBT you sold out an arena for him. Yeap TBT. They use it for the scissor reel. Uh they're still winning. We're still talking about them. Yeah, Notre Dame. Yeah, basketball in general basketball and you got two championships. Yeah that I'd say those are the real winners. Big Kat's booky Yeah,

Oh yeah, big winner, huge winner. He probably was watching the game and like had fucking a little Leprechaun on his shirt and was singing like cheer cheered Old motor Day the whole time. Who's the loser of this game? Um? I guess I would be a loser. Yeah, a pretty big loser in this game. Dave the locker room after when we were trying to make jokes when everyone was really down that that was that was a big loser move by us. You were trying to lift spirits. Yeah,

it just wasn't the time. But uh, you can't be that guy. No, we were that. Do you remember those I don't remember exactly the jokes I was. I think I said something like we'll get him next time or something like that. But knowing that you guys were not, there was no next time. There was no ever coming back. No, coming back because of the national anthem. Because the national anthem, Yeah,

held a grudge. I actually think TVT is kind of a loser because if they'd let me sing the national anthem, we probably still would have a relationship with them, and we still would be you'd have a team in there every single year. Yeah, you guys would be like the Eddie de Bartlow, Yes, of of TBT. Just paying guys left and right, unfair advantages. Yeah, no, salary cap would be incredible. Is there a chance of you ever going back? No?

Absolutely not. Actually the next year, my team, the team that we had, came back in a little bit of a different version where they had different guys, and they played their first round game in Chicago and we went out. I went out with them because lifelong brothers, you know what, share locker room with someone, go to battle and share you know, we went out. We got really fucked up on that Friday night. We went out way too hard and then they got just absolutely smoked in the first round.

So they were one and done. The next year one and done. Yeah, yeah, Jack, do we forget anything now? We were pretty good. We hit our bet. TBT is actually going into its ninth year on Age of Extinction. That was Wahlberg's first of the franchise. For fourth his first, but the fourth Transformer Torn didn't turn pro at seventeen. He had a seventeen year pro career. That was on me for right that one wrong. We talked a lot about Donni McGrath, not to be confused with Danny McGrath,

which is Steve Buscemi's character in Billy Madison. On the fan vote, they're no longer allowing the fan vote as it existed in twenty fourteen. Instead, they allow their most loyal fans to select the sixty fourth team. So huh, sounds like some electoral college kind of shit. Yeah, we broke the system. Sounds like it. We did? You rumped it? Yeah, we did? So. Then what do we name this game?

Is it the barstool Bungle, the Notre Dame Nightmare, the Notre Damn Nightmare, Damn you, Mike Bray, or something else. I think it's just fuck TBT right up the fuck TBT game championship game. I think we gotta go with fuck TBT. Let's score it the stakes of this game. Championship in the TB Tournament, TBT tournament, first ever, first ever, but fuck TBT tournament. So the stakes aren't that high. No, it's I think it's a ten out of ten. It's the first ever. You heard horn, he said it over

and over. We won the first ever. I think we gotta go at least a seven. All right, I don't like how this is going in My favorite Okay, star power ten Dave portnoy ever heard of him? And Big Cat? With Big Cat, this is a different type of star power. Dante Young, allpro, we've done all pro things. What do you think of Julian ten. I'm thinking this is going to be mean. Just whatever you're about to say, know

that it's gonna hurt my feeling. I have. I have the right to the artistic integrity of this fucking podcast. Yeah that's fine. Six Wow, wow? Six? And that's higher. I remember that's higher than some of we've had. I remember that. You remember that? No, I'll remember that. No, you won't, because I higher than the Ricky Williams rushing record. Game. Really, you're getting some we you know, you've seen how you score stuff. Okay, gameplay, I mean it was a solid

games all A game came down the last minute. Yeah, I mean had lead changes. One team leading in the first half loses the game. We'll give that an eight. We'll give you an eight on that. The game play is an eight. The name fuck TBT. It's got a good ring to it, Yeah, a good ring. It's not eighteen and one. It's not the twenty eighth to three game, but it's got it's got something. It's not the fake Tuch game or the fake Spike game. Yeah, I give it a what do you think seven? We'll give it

a seven. What's the highest score so far? This is higher than a lot of This is doing pretty well. You're not the worst. And just bump the star power up to eight and just see what it looks I'm not getting Just see what it looks like. If you see what it looks like, it's seven point five. Let's see what it looks like on the total. Just put eight in there. Just let me see. Let me just okay, that looks yeah, that looks good. I like that. We'll give you your eight. We'll give them an a. It's

a seven to five, right, Okay, that's pretty good. It's actually what's our It's no, that's perfect, Tyler Kyler, I will say as a hater, but this is one time he might be correct. This is too highest. It's not way too high. The Boise State tostitos esto is an eight to one. There you go, just as memorable. How many basketball games can you remember that Dave Portnoy's been involved in? Just one? There it is or Big Cat

or Big Cats? Just what they were? There are two names, those are huge names and they're not they're not in torn Yeah and Torrn Who could forget Torrent seventeen year pro seventeen, Ben pro at seventeen and he's a seven seventeen year pro. Well that's all of this episode of Games with Names, presented by win Bet. Thank you so much for listening. Thanks to our sponsors. Make sure to follow us at Games with Names. Right a review. I'm Sam Morrel, I'm Julian Edelman, and thank you Big Cat

for joining us. This was a special treat. I know it's very hard as a competitor to go over championship losses. I mean, we had Bruski come in and talk about eighteen on Adrian Peters. Adrian Peterson come in and talk about, you know, a horrific loss against Boise State. Now we can add to that board. Big Cat losing the TBT Final in the first annual TBT Championship. Man in the arena, I think we need a documentary over there. Man in

the arena came criticize me. Get in that arena, sit on that bench forty minutes and don't get in the game. Then talk to me. How were the benches. They're actually fine. They were nice because we had so much because we had such a lack of depth. Now, so I had like three seats myself, and that's the words. We'll see you later, folks. Three