“Super Bowl XXI” with Phil Simms | Giants vs. Broncos

New York Jets versus the Denver Broncos the Giants. Oh that's the Giants. Are you sure? I mean, I know some people wish it was the Jets. Yeah, it is. It's the Giants. It's the Giants. We'll be joined by legend Phil Simms in studio, in studio perform. That's why I'm wearing this. That's why I'm wearing this. I think you might be converting Man five and one Giants rolling. Eh. Well, you're gonna check on what was going on in nineteen

eighty seven. Yeah, Branuary break down this classic Super Bowl and then wrap it up by naming and scoring the game. Make sure to follow games with names on social YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, subscribe on Apple podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to podcasts and comment on the game you want to see, rate review and communicate. Yeah, you know what the key tot success is communication. Communication. That's that's what happens when you

know we're succeeding. We're on the same same, same, same chemistry, same page. That's what it is. Why are we doing this game? I mean in first Giant super Bowl, that's pretty big. A lot of championships with this was the big, the big, first super Bowl. So many fun personalities here that we teased it, but lt one of the most fun ever. Sims, who is your coworker, mister Simms. Love mister Sims. Love mister Simms. He had one of the

best quarterbacking performances in Super Bowl history. I believe you only had like three incompletions. What was the stat line? Twenty two for twenty eight two hundred and sixty six yards, three touchdowns, five straight scoring drives in the I thought it was twenty two or twenty five. Let me think that was just in the second half. Really, I think that was just in the second half. We'll get that cleaned up. Okay. But Phil Simms sets the Super Bowl

record for eighty eight percent completion rate. It was the first Super Bowl win, like we already stated for the New York Football Giants. But we have Lway on the other side of this, young John Elway, young guns Stanford kid l Way. Yeah, pretty boy didn't. He wasn't. Eve. One of the first to not sign with the team was of the Colts. It was the Baltimore Colts at the time. He said, no way, I'm gonna go play for the Yankees. Instead, they trade him to the Denver Broncos.

Becomes a Bronco legend. And this is before he got the Super Bowls and he was humbled by mister Simms and the New York Football Giants. Yeah. He won at the end one at the end. Yeah, but he got humbled a couple times in the Super like he got blown out by the Niners. Yeah, he got blown out here. It wasn't until they went to that running game with Terrell Davis. Yeah, Mi grains remember that he always had. Mike said a Migrains. Yeah, I do remember that, Sam,

you were right twenty two of twenty five. My math was off. Oh yeah, twenty two of twenty five. Oh you ever disrespect miss Let me tell that again. Don't you ever disrespect mister Simms twenty two of twenty five. Like mister Burden. Oh yeah, they call me mister Tibbs. Remember that from the In the Heat of the Night Sydney Paudier. I like mister Pib. Mister Pib is good, better than Doctor Pepper. Just has like thirty times more caffeine. Really, I think that that was the their selling point. It

had way more caffeine. Remember jolt I was just gonna say, that's insane that you just said that. Dude. They had jolt gum. Yeah, you have to be a real piece of shit kid to be chewing Jolt gu on your skateboard, just chewing the nineties. Serge was the other one. Serge was a little much. I didn't like. It was like Mountain Dewey, right, yeah. And the commercial was like s like it was like an avalanche of kids just like running.

I think, yeah, I don't remember that, but I can only imagine with I think they had like three hundred milligrams of caffeine and you have a twelve year old drink in it. That was a demo. I mean it was crazy. Uh. I mean four loco is like the you know, the alcoholic version, but this was like pre four loco Joel cola. That was it was fucking bad for you. This was pre people knowing soda was terrible for you. I think they knew, they did. They My parents won't let me drink it, nah, just because they

want to deal with the sugar high. But they didn't know it was terrible for you. They didn't know if you you put like a nail in a cup of coke and it dissolves in like a day. Is that Does that really happen? A nails? Let me check on that or something. Mister of caffeine though, that's a lot. It's a lot in the in the flavor is technically spicy cherry. Damn. There was always the There was always the uh, like the rumor or like the oh my, the urban myth that what was it? A doctor pepper

was like apricot or no prune prune soda. Yeah, do you ever hear that? I've heard it's like thirty one flavors or something like. I thought it was like the prune. It was like carbonated prune juice. Yeah, is it? Is it prune juice? No? What is it? Jase? Let me check on that quick, fron juice. But let's go back January twenty seventh, nineteen eighty seven. On this day, the number one movie in America was Critical Condition. You can't see that. I don't even know what. I don't either,

what is it? I don't Let's move on, move on, move on, move on. The number one song in America at this point or at this moment by Billy Vera and the Beaters. The Beaters? Was Chris Brown in that group? What the I guess he would have been too young? What who? I don't know that song? Can we get a sample? This was? Will legal allow it? Can we play a sample? All right? Forget it? Sorry? No legal. But Aretha Franklin inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall

of Fame, first female inductee. That's crazy. I mean that's she was a she could sing legend. I was at a roast once years ago and it was the Matt Lower Roast. I was in the crowd and she sang the national anthem and Jeff Ross comes out and his first line is, wow, thought that was amazing. Usually it's it's not over till the fat lady sings. Oh that was the opening line, and just cut the her giving him the finger, And I was like, well, I guess this is a roast dude. That's gnarly. Yeah comedy, Yeah,

straight for jugulars full House premieres. Yeah. Unfortunately, I'm looking for a house in the market in Los Angeles. Shed a single tear because I looked at Bob Saget's house. Oh man, it was a cool house. I bet cool house, whol house. Ah. But you know, I just didn't cross the line with mister Tanner and his the core. He was a he was a classy dude. I knew a little bit, and he was a really really I've heard nothing but insane things. Really everyone he's you know, left

a great impact dude. He knew everyone. He was like friends with Rodney Dangerfield. I mean he's been around forever. You know. I'll tell you I love this. My mother never breastfed me. She told me she liked me as a friend. Classic. I love Rodney. That's good. I could do right. I'm back to schools. Like my favorite comedy is it? Oh my god, it's like bulletproof. So many good laughs in that movie. The scene with the wife's so many back and forth where she goes, oh, you're impossible,

Oh yeah, and you're easy. Like there's so many hard laughs in that movie Killer Oh. The Simpsons Debuts is a series of shorts on the Tracy Omens Show. I mean The Simpsons nineteen eighty seven. I mean, that's that's a crazy That first season of writers on The Simpsons is like all from Taxi with all like heavyweight writers. Yeah you know, I mean it's lasted forever. Yeah, it's I'm still going. It's one of the great shows. Beverly Hills Cop topped the movie charts, while Dirty Dance Scene

was an unexpected hit. Love both. I never saw Dirty Dancing, but I can't believe I have never seen it. No one puts baby in a corner. I get the reference, but I don't get there. You don't get the reference. I know it's Beverly Hills Cop is spectacular. My dad, that was like an important thing. My dad was like, we have to watch Beverly Hills Cop. And you know it's like he loved Beverly Hills Cop. Oh mean it was the best. I liked the third one when they

went to the amusement park. A lot of people hated it. A lot of people thought it sucked. That's when I you know that you always kind of favor up with like the movie that you grew like you cross traject with like your age where you kind of start getting jokes like the Rockies, Like I didn't like the first three until I like grew up and I was older.

But when like Rocky four came out, it was like Action eighties, like that's the one I liked because I was at the age where I could understand, no, I know, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, and then you rewatch like, oh, that's way better that one's been. But I never saw Beverly Hills Cop three. The first two are Killer Killer, Light's Out, Mike Tyson's punch Out. Oh my god, I remember that shit. I do. Yeah, I remember that they had didn't they have they had the

box they had No, they didn't have that yet. They had something that was duck Hunt because this was this had to be a Nintendo. But the Arcade, I think was the Arcade did have the thing when you do that, Remember, I felt like we were terrible podcasting, but yeah, we're we're holding on to things and you hit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Well people watch us on YouTube too, maybe yeah. Yeah. It was an adaptation of the nineteen eighty four arcade

game punch Out. Yeah. Interesting, that's what it is. Mike Tyson moved to thirty two and oh, first Unified champ since nineteen seventy eight. Yeah, it was like Super Bowl Sunday. Anytime he fought. When I was a kid, he was the baddest dude, terrifying. I mean, you saw him fuck that guy up in Delta one. That was like he still got it. I mean I do tip my hat to that man that was jawing Mike Tyson. I don't he sucked. I mean, I don't understand, like this guy's

got balls. I think he does? He have balls? Or is he just stupid? Could be a mixture of both. Probably. Yeah. Let's get to the nineteen eighty six eighty seven NFL season. Bo Jackson was the first overall pick to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but pulled an l way and went to the Royals instead. In saying that he was that good

at sports, dude, he was so monstery. Remember and when he played with the Royals and he scathed the wall, caught like he tracked a ball probably like sixty yards that was on a rope, scales a wall, runs up the wall, throws a guy. I mean, he was so athletic. And the baseball pants they looked like under armour on him, and before under armour was even made, he just his thighs were like chafing while he was running like a gazelle.

He was a gazelle. I just watched the Nolan Ryan doc. Yeah, which is amazing if you haven't seen it, but there's a great scene of Bo Jackson versus Nolan. It's just like Alpha versus alfa legend versus legend, and he fucking he did. You know, you forget Nolan Ryan wasn't invincible. It's like, yeah, he hit some bombs off him, dude, you know, and people forget that Bo Jackson was that good of a baseball player. He was. He was great

at baseball. In football, really good record set. Dan Marino most passing attempts with six hundred and twenty three, Dan Marino most completions with three hundred and seventy eight. Those have been topped, Those have had to be in topped. Yeah, gotta be let me look into that MVP Lawrence Taylor, first defensive player to win the awards in nineteen seventy one, twenty point five sacks, one hundred and six total tackles, and I mean he was just the baddest dude. He's

a savant player. I mean, you know, to hear the stories about him, and I'm sure mister Sims will give us a couple. Uh. I'm looking forward to hearing it because all the stories I've heard is he's just a yeah he It didn't matter what time Betty went, what time, what time he went to bed, or what he was doing, he was gonna be bawling on the football field. Yeah, like one of the early party but still delivered. I

mean epic. Yeah. Coach of the Year Bill Parcells. I wonder if we're gonna get some good stories about him, that'll be that'll be interesting. The rule change, the first introduction of the replay for the officials. Wow, they they still haven't got that one down. It just lengthens the game regardless the referee. Play has gotten so inconsistent. I mean, there's black and there's white. We have so much gray in our rules right now. It's fucking ridiculous. I can't

watch a game without like it's terrible. Yeah, like, let the boys play. I know we got lawsuits, people are getting hurt in head, but like, all right, we know what we signed up for. Oh dude, it's I mean, how about baseball with these replays, You're like, this is already the slowest game on the planet. Baseball you need to not have replays, kay, get it right? Or three innings, one picture and a guy on second. Let's you're getting rid of the guy running out and kicking dirt on

the umpire's feet because you're reviewing it. I want to see a guy be like fuck you and get thrown out. Yeah, Like remember that one dude who went outrageous in like a triple A team's thrown what was the what's the thing called the chalk? Yeah they have those anymore. The rosen bag, the rosenbag, they still have them. I don't see him as often. I think they're back. There are they back? They got to be in the bullpen, right,

gotta be got into that man. But I remember that one guy who like had a crazy meltdown the manager like threw one at the bomb like bear chrome, Like those are always fun. I don't. I do remember Robbie Alamar spitting on a manager and being like, holy shit, that's crazy, great player, you will You can't spit on him, man, you can't spit an umpire. No, you can't. You just can't do it. Bill Romanowski's spitting it a JJ Stokes face. Yeah, he was a fucking scary dude. He was maniac. Yeah.

Did you know him? No? Yeah, he still looks like a maniac. Yeah, what were you doing in nineteen eighty seven? We were both babies, dude, I don't remember. I don't remember either, But I've got pictures, do you? I mean, my mom does what kind of pictures. There's one picture. My mom's an artist, so there's one picture of me in like a gean. Her artsy friend took a picture of me in a jean jacket, dick just flopping out,

and it's a it's a baby dick. Yeah. I don't know why we had I mean, like, there's no need for this. She has it up in her in her office. I'm like, why is this? Who is this for? You know, technically you can get you can get some trouble for that these days, I don't if it's your son. I think you're okay. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I wonder how a bigger penis at one. I was not looking great in that fot. I I mean,

it's not looking amazing too. Jews. It is not gonna come away, but it's not gonna be a good uh. I don't know how they performed the circumcision. Yeah, put it this way. It was not looking great. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get into the teams. New York Football Giants fourteen and two path to the Super Bowl beat my San Francisco forty nine ers forty three smoked him. They were physical at the line of scrimmage. I remember seeing the old footage. You gotta be physical with the finesse niners.

I think Joe was hurt too. Maybe that was the reason beat the Redskins, beat the Redskins, and Joe gibb beat Joe Gibbing the Redskins in the Wind Bowl. Coach by Bill Parcells, defensive coordinator old coach Belichick, special teams coach Romeo Cournell, and we'll leave it at that. Mister Sim's gonna be on here. He had a career high four game winning drives. This year he had three thousand, four hundred and eighty seven yards, twenty one touchdowns, twenty

two interceptions. We gotta gotta you gotta get that, uh that ratio better, mister Simms. Yeah, well, he wasn't scared to let it fly. He was not scared to let it fly, and that that's what made him good competitor, get it done. Second, uh second, and the last player to ever win MVP. Oh, Lawrence Taylor. All right, there we go. That's crazy. Lawrence Taylor the second and Lewis I never won a regular season DOP and DYP Defensive Player of the Year or d O p Y. That's

crazy that that's never happened. Yeah, I mean it's quarterback. It's a quarterback. That's a quarterback award. Yeah. Who, I mean, when's the who? What's the last quarterback that hasn't got it? We'll have to ask Jackie on the take a look right now? All right? They all said Carl Banks, which he was an absolute monster legend. Some people even say he was the best linebacker on the team. I don't know,

I mean during that postseason running he kind of was. Yeah, the last non QB to win the MVP was former guest Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson running twenty twelve and dangered species. The running back. I don't know. Have you seen Saquon Barkley, Dude, I'm saying that we'll see he's bringing it back. Dude, Well, we'll see. Talk about legs. You know about Bo Jackson's legs.

Have you seen Saquon's leg? Quadzilla? Yeah, Quadzilla. They had the eighth ranked scoring offense led by mister Simms and All Pro tight end Mark Bavaro and running back Joe Morris. Second rank scoring defense defensive coordinator. Of course, Bill Belichick and his little schemes that I hope we get into. With old mister Simms, they had the nickname the Blue or the Big Blue Wrecking Crew. Yeah. And he got the Denver Broncos who are eleven and five, first in

the AFC West. They beat New England twenty two seventeen in the Divisional. They beat the Browns in the conference. The drive coach Dan Reeves. They had Elway, Gary Kubiak backup quarterback head coach. Yeah. And then you have Tom Jackson, Sammy Winder. Eighth ranked offense, eighteenth or fifteenth ranked defense sorry, led by all pros Carl Melcolmberg and I think that's why the Giants won and ruland Jones great d run and it was always fourth season. He was a scrambling man.

I mean he was hard to get down. Hit a cannon. Yeah, they said that he was like one of the highest projected draft quarterbacks in the history. For you the game, like when he came out, he was a non you would not miss if you got John Elway. And it's crazy to see how he got to the Denver Broncos, saying he was going to hold out to play for the Yankees because he was a two sport athlete. The guy was a stud. Yeah, that didn't end up happening, ended up with Denver Broncos, and uh the rest is history.

And he was able to win them games and was clutching the playoffs with the drive. And that's we talked about what matters. That's why we're bringing Phil Simms here. So, uh, you know, Elway was a he was a beast. Yeah, absolute beast. Let's get to the game. First half. Giants open up with the score on the first possession. They trade scores, Broncos miss cues and missed opportunities. They missed a twenty three yard field goal. Crazy to miss that in the Super Bowl because I think he hit the

longest one too right and missed the shortest. Yeah. Yeah, hit forty eight yard which was tied for the longest, and then turned around and said the record missing the twenty three yarder twenty three. And he also missed a thirty four yarder, which is kind of a gimme. Elwa takes a safety. That's never good. Had a chance to go up seventeen to seven, but didn't. Not their best half by any means, but the Giants hung in there.

They had a couple goal line stands, which was huge, and to go in at halftime only down one point with the miscues that the Giants had was pretty impressive. So probably confident Sims puts on a show. He's twenty two of twenty five three touchdowns, led five straight scoring drives in the second he couldn't miss his target. No, in the second, five straight scoring drives. Yeah, unbelievable, and they just pulled away. I mean you see that moment

where like Elway just couldn't do shit in the second half. Yeah, that defense was too hostile. It was amazing. Yeah, a lot of good playmakers on that defense. So it was a rematch from earlier in the year with the Giants one nineteen sixteen, and they forced four turnovers in that one. Things we might have forgotten Neil Diamond did the National and Neil Diamond, that's he's a Boston guy. Yeah, I think I've seen I've seen him at some I think

it was a charity event. I mean they always play him at the Red Sox games, right, yeah, sweet Caroline, Yeah, they bugs the shit out of me. And seventh inning, right or is it seventh inning? Yep? Seventh or is it the eighth? Because anything is take me o too, and then we go after that usually we have. It's always amazing when you have a huge lead against the Yankees. You got them in there and they're pinstripes and all of a sudden you started swinging, singing, sweet calve, how

they find the world has never been so good? Hard hard up. Meanwhile, the Yankees are cotton eye Joe. Have you ever heard that one? No? Where did you come from? Where'd you go? Where did you come from? God? Ni Joe, you've never seen that one? Brutal? Yeah, that's pretty forgettable almost forgettable halftime show is George Burns, Mickey Rooney. This is this is old school that you have comedians doing.

You have a comedian George and George Burns have that famous joke and it only takes one drink to get me drunk. The trouble is, I can't remember if it's the thirteenth or fourteenth. That's a that's some classic joke, right, And I don't know. I don't I don't know. I don't know George Burns. I don't know him that one. You know his face if you see him, if I saw him, yeah, you know it is. See, you're starting to get me more and more, you know, I mean not know, No, you know the name, but the face.

Oh you know that guy? Yeah, I see, I've seen that future classic. Yeah, that's like one hundred. He's around smoking cigars, living to one hundred. What old school man, that's just good jeans. Yeah. Uh. The first, the first gatorade shower in Super Bowl history and the first I'm going to disney Land. I'm going to disney World. Where are you going, Phil Simms, I'm going to disney World. Yeah,

first one of those two. That's pretty epic. It is because you think of that as every year now and you think of the you said, I'm going to Disney World. I said it a couple of times, and and the almost it the Golden Shower, the Gatorade shower. It was not the Golden Shower. It was not, but it could be. Could have been lemon lime, could have been lemon lime. It's kind of close. Depends. That's that's I always liked lemon lime or fruit punch. I like the ridge kind

of mind too. Although the blue is pretty good too. And they have an ice one. There's like some ice flavor. No, it's it's like a blue ice, light blue, pretty delicious. Back in the day, you would win ship from Gatorade. They would have the glass Gatorade bottles and they would have prizes under the cap here. He was a great hack. Lemon ice was the clear flavor. You could just straight up look under and see if you want. So, I just always win. I remember those two. I think, yeah,

but it didn't. It didn't. It wasn't better than the McDonald's monopoly Dude that I was like a fat kid because of that game. I had tits because of that fucking because I thought I was gonna get boardwalk, and I was. I was stuck on park Place like a degenerate gambler. It was terrible. I wonder if they did it like regionally, like there's like one Broadway over here, one park Place in like New Hampshire, because I had dreamed I remember dreaming about that watching blank Check that

remember that movie blank Check. I'm gonna win. I'm gonna get boardwalk in park Place or whatever it was. They were really raising like the most unhealthy kids because you're a gambler and you're eating McDonald's, just you're raising disgusting people. That was me, I mean that was America. I was all in on it, dude. And then you'd be like fucking you know, oh, he'd be like Atlantic Avenue, Who gives shit? What are the bad ones? Like Railroad? Yeah,

railroad that hurt. Let me get two hundred dollars for gas? What was? What was? What were the really bad ones with like the shittiest the Reds. The Reds were okay I'm talking. I'm thinking like the like Kentucky Avenue, Yeah, no, good, Pennsylvania Avenue, Cares, Tennessee Avenue, Virginia Avenue, yeah, Avenue, Mediterranean Avenue Mediterranean. They get weird of everything, throwing like oriental and you're like, wait a second, who made this game?

Bunch of racists? The Gaming Corner presented by wind Bet. Uh So, the Giants were nine point five and they covered minus nine and a half points. Yeah, yikes, over and under forty one points that went over. I mean they just crush them in the second half. They never look back. I mean I bet you a lot of gamblers got heard on this one. Yeah, because nine and a half points in a super I don't care who you got, you got the Giants. See, I'm a new g I'm still new to this, so actually I should

just keep my mouth shut. Well what should we do? What should our bet be with sims? How about how about if we say how many times we can say the New York Football Giants. I mean it's like just the classic word we have to the New York Football Giants. We're gonna set the line up. What are you thinking, Jack, what do you think we can hit? I think five and a half sounds reasonable. Five and a half that's not that many we could definitely that's easy, I mean

easily do five and a half. Yeah, I would take the we'll see, we'll see what the listeners think. Maybe we'll get it, maybe we won't. All right, well, we're gonna have Phil Sims in the studio joining us. Excited, rare to get a guy in the studio. But it is, you know, we're still we're still like breakfasting COVID. Yeah. So but until then, let's take a quick break. You know, there's two times of Pro Bowl that ship bothers me. Excuse me, I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, just ship.

But you know, guys make so many Pro Bowls now because the first seven quarterbacks pull out. I mean, yeah, Phil, I should have said, yes, you should have. I didn't because every time you were competing for Super Bowls. Well. The other thing is too, the Pro Bowl was scary. Well, they used to hit. It was scary. Here's the play call. All right, guys, I'm gonna get rid of it quick. Please protect me. Here's the play. I'm not exaggerating because it was Did people get injured in the Pro Bowl back?

Oh no, but it was killed the quarterback. You think they were gonna tay cared if the running back ran through there. They wanted to get Sacks and that was it. So, mister Simms, are you are you trying to? Are sorry? Phil? Phil where you can call me mister Shims? All right, you let me know. Okay, do you ever think you got up roughing the passer call? You know, I don't don't remember roughing the past or being a you know, something you could throw a flag on. I'm sure I did,

but I don't remember it. Yeah, I just don't remember roughing the past or being part of the game. And sometimes every once in a while go buy a TV and I see an old game of ours and I look up there and I just laugh, Oh my gosh, the wonder I'm beat up? No, but you know it's really it was just a different era. Nobody thought anything about it, you know. So that's why he's tough, and that's why you feel the toughness off of Phil Sims when you're working with him every week Tuesday on Inside

the NFL streaming on Paramount Plus. And let's welcome mister Philip Sims from Kentucky. Yes, this is Sam Rew, my co host talk to you. I'm Julian Kentucky man. That's like mister Kentucky, mister Kentucky. What do you mean? It's like what I love Kentucky? What's you talking about? Bourbon? Country? About a bourbon? Yeah, and everybody thinks I'm a bourbon drinker. I don't like Bourbon's too sweet. Not a big drinker. But well, if you do drink, what is it? What's

your god to? I like to get there quick? Crystal crystal meth? That's no. Well no, well it tastes terrible, but I feel better. Yeah, no, yeah, that's that's one thing comes with age. Yeah, you don't mind a cocktail at night every once in a while, that's for sure. So what's what's the cocktail thing that you do? Like? Vodka? Baka? All right, well before we start, Yeah, well, mister Sims, Phil, I don't know what to call you now. Now I feel the nervous I feel like we're on the same

you know. Wait, just do what you always do, mister Shim. I'll call you miss mister Shim. Mister Shim. Yeah, Well go ahead, so you know, before we start, we got your little accolades here, seventh overall pick in the nineteen seventy nine draft. Yeah, that went over well with the giant fans, did it? Yeah, oh yeah. Were they pissed? Oh yeah, do they want? Well, I don't think anybody back then, Thank god, you and everybody wasn't out there going over every player, so the fans really didn't know

the players. I wasn't surprised. I went seventh, the seventh pick, and it was talking you going earlier. Uh no, I think I knew all the teams that were gonna probably draft me, and I knew the Giant said. They basically said two weeks for the we're taking you. And they told my coach that too. From Morehead State. Yeah no, yeah, I know from Morehead State. Moorhead State. Fun Fact is named after a man pleading with his Jewish wife. Oh okay,

this is a podcast. He's a two time super Bowl champ, a super Bowl MVP, and like, you see we got something in common. But you were the first to do the Disney commercial, right, I was, did you get to do it too? I did it twice? Oh, you did it twice. I did for you twice. Yeah, I did it. And I was like, what am I doing here? But you know, walking across the field, I'm going and I just was embarrassed because it's a football game. I just you know, I don't. We're old school. You are too,

and I just said, what are we doing here? I mean, it's just not right. But I'm glad I did it a lot of reasons. You started the trend. Yeah, it was great. Were you nervous? I mean, coming out of Kentucky coming to New York City in the eighties, was that at all? Like such a big market. I guess they hadn't won it ever, they never won a super Bowl right at that point. No, they hadn't, But no, they won a lot of championships back in the old days in the fifties. But no, I wasn't nervous about

coming up. You know, people always ask me those kind of questions, which I understand. I played at Morehead State and my favorite games when we were away and we were at homecoming because everybody picked us for our homecoming team. You know what, we want to win, let's play Morehead State. But the great thing is there was a crowd there. Yeah, you know, so, I mean I love the fact having a crowd, and sometimes they would chant my name, like kill Sims. I'm like, man, I must be really doing

pretty good. But yeah, I wasn't nervous and Jill's you know this too, the football field. It doesn't matter where it is or whatever, it's the same. Yeah, And you know, how did you adapt from small college to this, I don't know. You know, after a few practices you get the hang of it. You have no choice how they replace you. Yeah, well don't that. You just kind of adjust, you go. Oh, I threw that pass and the linebacker

picked it off, which I've never seen before. So the next time, I said, I got to be a little more paying more attention whatever, see it differently. And I don't know, I felt like even my rookie year, you kind of pick up with the talent and go from there. Well, there's always like a defining play when you're a younger person or a rookie in the league. Like for me, it was when I ran a punt back in the preseason. Then I was like, all right, I could play with

these guys. Yeah, there's always one defining moment like it could have been the next time you threw that cover two with the linebacker not picking it. You're like, all right, I just got to not make the same mistake twice, right, you know, So that there's always that one play that always defines. All right, give you that I got. Yeah, my would be this. I didn't play in our first preseason game with the Giants. They wanted to hold me out, give me another week of practice. So we go down

to Pittsburgh. Well, okay, Pittsburgh's are on their way to win in their fourth Super Bowl that year, and they decided me to play in Three Rivers Stadium. And I get under the center and go, there's Joe Green, there's Elsie. I can't. I mean, it was unbelievable. It was eight Hall of Famers and I'm looking at him going, you know it was something else. They want to rip your head off. Yeah, I mean I got great stories about that game. But there's me and Joe Green. I mean,

let's stalk the game. I need some autographs. You know, all these guys that I idolized, Terry Bradshaw growing up. Yeah, and there I was playing against him, you know, so it was really did he say anything? Like after the game, you ever say anything to you when you were young? No, I didn't get to talk to him after that game. I mean, Joe Green said something to me. We talked for a second and all that. And then eight years later we had won the Super Bowl and we're playing there.

He's a coach with the Steelers, and he comes over and grabs me and goes, my, boy, you've grown up. And I was like, oh, you remember we played. It was really cool. He was he's probably a charmer. Yeah, he was awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, of course he was a one of the greatest defensive linemen in history. But it was pretty cool to play against him and then have him say that too many years later, so

at least I must have done well. I did throw an interception for a touchdown to them for about eighty yards that night, but I think that's when it I realized I could play. Yeah, because practice and all that and down there. It wasn't like a great statistical game or anything. Like my dad drove up from Louisville, Kentucky with my mom and after the game he goes, I don't know, guy, just say. He goes, boy, I think

that's the best I've ever seen you play. And I didn't do anything, really, but I think he just was worried about my transition from college to the pros. How's it going to look? Yeah, And he's like, oh, it's okay. You can he'll survive? Yeah, that's cool. Well it was cool. You know, we came here because this is called games with Names, Right, we're on the search for the best games of all time. Super Bowl twenty one, which was the kickstart to the New York Football Giants and the

New York Football Giants' success going forward. You were a huge part of that. Some people say you had the best game in Super Bowl history for a quarterback. But what was nineteen eighty seven? Like, what was it was? Nineteen eighty seven? I was one years old, so I can't remember one. We were one. We were one. But you were in the heat of it. You were in the prime of your life. Well, I thought you were talking about the eighty seven season after the Super Bowl.

What was like life like, mister Simms? Just walking down you know, Broadway, starting quarterback of the New York Football Giants, you know, hanging out with LT going golfing, you know, Like, what was it like? It's nothing like you think it was nothing? Well, I don't know. It wasn't glamorous. I mean I think that was when the fans kind of went all right, we'll to hang around a few more years.

You know. It was tough. You know, I had a lot of tough years, and you know, we had tough outings in a couple of playoff games or years before that. But for it to all come together and you know, my god, you were on many Super Bowl teams. It just it's amazing how I just kind of rolls and all of a sudden, you go, wow, we really got a chance big time to win all this, and I think we realized that late in that year. But we just whenever the plays had to be made or anything big,

we always came through. And that's you know, kind of I know, you know that sensation, but you get confident, you believe in everything. And and I think the biggest thing too, I learned from Bill Parcells many things, but when you're out there playing, don't ever think about winning and lose and just do it, man, pay attention to what you're doing. And when I did that, I usually

played pretty well. Well. You had you talked about going against this scary Pittsburgh defense when you're young, but I mean, now you have this defense behind you, like Lt. Carl Bunks, like these are dudes you don't want to go again. Well, we were loaded. Yeah, gosh, I havem throw an interception which I wasn't afraid to throw them, and I would be walking off the field and Lawrence Taylor literally would go by, don't worry, We'll get it back for you

in better position. And I'd go, okay, like take the steam off of it. It was great, you know, I would feel but it was kind of true. Yeah. Man, we'd get turnovers, they would make plays and even though we'd mess it up, we'd get good field position, give us another chance. But our defense, we played to it. They were great. And of course you've said some of those names. Man, we had a lot of good players.

Of course, you have to to win Super Bowls. There's actually talks about when you were coming out from Morehead State that Bill Walsh came down. Yeah, talk to you. I remember you talking about something like that, and that he was actually more interested in getting you than Montana. Well, he got Joe Montana. He didn't get me in the first round. He had to do with Joe Montana in the third round. Yeah. I feel bad for him, man, but it was one of the greatest experience. It was

a great experience him. He came down twice. Yeah, and uh, we threw and so every I did back then, there wasn't no what was a combine just for injuries. But every team wanted to see your workout. So I probably did at least twenty workouts that off season, and Bill wash came down. Everybody wanted to see the same thing. Let it go, just throw it, so man, you know, okay, I'll do it. And I'd have like seven receivers out there and throw it as hard as I could throw it.

Bill Walsh is there. I start throwing it. I'm crushing the ball. You know, it's coming out of my hand. I'm like, man, I am ripping it today. He goes, what are you doing? And I go, well, what isn't this what you want to see? He goes, I don't want to know, and then he went to you know the Bill Wash, No, I want you to be graceful, try to be pretty. They actually said this, and I'm looking for all I know. He goes, just I want it to be great, just let it and relax and

all this stuff, and so I kind of over. He goes softer. He's really going behind me, going softer, and I just kept Oh, that's it, and I the opposite of a woman. Oh this guy's oh my god. But I'm just going who what is going on? And then the workout's over. The second time, he goes to me, all right, here you go. I'm gonna draft you. I want you out there the next morning. We're going to work and you're gonna lead the NFL and passing. You're gonna lead him in this, You're gonna lead him in touch.

And I'm standing and he goes, you know, I guess I gotta look on my face. He goes, well, you don't believe me. I go, yeah, I believe he coach. Then he starts naming off every quarterback he's ever had won all the passing titles, which is true. And I was pretty excited about it. I go, oh man, this will be great to play for him, go to San Francisco and all that. But well we know it didn't work out. Yeah, so but it worked out for both of you. Well worked out for Joe Montana too, That's

for sure. Joe was the perfect quarterback for him. He was the first quarterback that I used to watch and go, god, he is pretty Yeah, it's great feet and you know, i'd watch film and see them playing, I'd go, oh my gosh, he hits like ten in a row every game, and I'm just gonna look so easy for the forty nine ers because they were ahead of their time almost. Yeah,

it was just spreading West Coast offense. As Bill Walsh would say, third and ten, if the guy five years five yards down the field is open, throw it to him. If he gets tackled, don't worry. We'll get a better player next year to break the tackle running catch. Yeah. It was really just keep throwing it, let him catch it, and let's see what happens. So miss, what's the best parcels story you have that you have never told? Oh? Never, I've told him all. I don't know. You know, he

was great, not great, many things. Of course, he yelled at me a lot. Yeah. Year he yelled back at him all the time we were allowed to yell back. Yeah, he would yell at me, you know, and it was all kind of orchestrated. You know. He knew he was going to do it, Sims, you know, and he would really like yell and sometimes they just keep going on go. You know. I could literally turn to him and go shut up, Holy Christ, all you do is and he'd goes, oh are you man at me, and you know, and

I tell people these stories, they don't believe it. But he was unbelievable that way. He yelled at you, and then he would allow you to yell back if you knew the situation was right, and everybody in the team would laugh because yeah, get them Bill, you know. And but it was his way of sending a message to the whole team through players, and he was great at that. He was the greatest manipulator of people I've ever been

around in my life for a while. But yeah, he would yell, simps, come here during the game, come here. I'd throw an interception and I'd go, oh yeah, I go, yeah, I just want to know, are you watching the same game I'm watching? Man, I go, that's a good one. I just keep walking. But the things we said to each other during games, you know, I'm not proud of it at all. I really am not. But I never got in arguments with him or all this stuff. Would

not always knowing he's the man. Yeah, I knew I was talking to the guy that's running the organization and had a lot of power. And he scared me. Yeah, you know, what about a little bit, what about like young Belichick. Well, oh my gosh, I could tell some stories about him, but whatever. You know. I remember I would stay late every night, and some nights i'd stay really late because I wanted to get all the work, you know, I was, I want to do all the

work on Wednesday. Yeah, when I come in Thursday, I want it to be over now. I'm just whatever. And I would walk by the coaches room. It would be nine o'clock at night, and there would be Bill Belichick with Al grow riding their stationary bikes with rubber suits on, just sweating and ruining the machines. And they got a clicker. Yeah, and they're talking. I'd see him and I go and I just go, guys are crazy, just but that was him. Wow.

You know he did it thirty years later when I went in there o'clock in an off season on the treadmill with this little sweat jacket that they cut. You know, they started all that at the Giants. It's so funny to hear. There was a Belichick story at this Super Bowl. After you, guys, wont it do you remember this? He went on the field to really take it all in, and then he tried to get back to the locker room and they wouldn't let him back in. Oh my gosh,

I haven't heard that. It's crazy, he tells you. I'm right right. That's you'll fact check that, Jack, But I'm pretty sure I'm Ron. Well, even when he was with us, they were calling him boy genius. Yeah, And I don't know if they meant it in a complimentary way. You know, he just was so studious and worked so hard. You know, the players he gave him such great information and all that that they oh, boy genius. And you know Bill was. He really didn't change all his years coming with up

the New England and everything. He was still the same guy that coached you know, our defense through all those years, Indian Romeo Creneal there as well. Yeah, Romeo Canal al grow, Charlie Weiss. Shoot who else? We had? Tom Coughlin, Tommy Cofflin. You know, I look at some of our pictures team photos and go, yeah, coach, you might have had something to do with us when he I mean, we had an all star coaching staff, which I think you always kind of need. Coffinly got no respect he really deserved

up until he won too. That was a classic thing where like he was going to get fired the year he won the first one with the Giants. Well, yeah, they were close. In fact, I think it came down to the last game of the year. They beat Buffalo in Buffalo got some breaks otherwise it could have been trouble. I don't know, but that's always a story out here. I'm so fascinated with LT because he's just maybe the best ever on defense. Well, he was bigger than life. Yeah,

you know, he was his rookie year. We had a scrimmage. They had to take him out after like ten plays. Couldn't scrimmage, had to take him out. He was sack in quarterback every play, and I go, God, this guy's really who everything they said he was? Yeah, but for real, I think he had six sacks and ten plays. They said, get him out. We can't judge anybody. Is it true that he was sending prostitutes to the opposing team's hotel rooms to tire them out for the next day. Well,

I've heard all those stories. I didn't know that. I can't even listen. I know this is a podcast all this. I still can't tell you some of the Lawrence Taylor stories, but they they're endless and they're hilarious. I gotta leave it at that. But he was a savant. I mean he was. I heard stories that he would be uh sleeping through certain team meetings and then they'd wake him up and he'd know every place. Yes, that's true. Wow, that's all true. He was a great athlete. There was

nothing we ever played it he wouldn't good at. We played basketball, you know, he picks up golf, became a one or two handicap after you know nine. He plays about five hundred rounds of golf a year. So but yeah, he's he was really good at everything, and there was nothing he couldn't do. So Lawrence, you know, we had a basketball go outside our locker room and I was shooting one day. Oh, come here, shoot you know better? He goes. I said, I bet you can't make ten

in a row. Oh, I'll bet you whatever you want. Now, you know, making ten in a row it's tough. You can hit eight and just oh you miss it? He goes, all right, don't moore nothing. Sure more time. I said, look, this is no fund seas. I want to be paid when this is over. And he would just we go in the stadium onths he goes, I can take this club and hit it out of the stadium. I said, no, you can't. He goes, So of course we bet, we bet on everything. And he goes out there and swings

hits the ball. It's going around all the suites. I'm like, and of course he didn't hit it out. Then he says to me, I'm throwing the ball once. I can throw it in the second tier. I said, no, you can't. I mean that's a seventy yard throw up up and he goes. So he throws two or three, and we're of course wagering, and it just keeps going double or nothing. And I said again, I went in. He took his care a lot of cash. He takes it and throws down the ground. Oh, I'm so embarrassed. I'll have to

pick it up. But yeah, so there was nothing Lawrence didn't think he could. He could, he could do and do it really well. So we took advantage of that opportunity. The stories could go forever. Oh, he can go forever. It's uh. I wish I could tell. I went down a golfing trip or down to South Jersey to play with me, him and Jim Burt and we're gonna play with some officials down there and some giant officials. And Lawrence goes, I said, I'll drive. Lawrence goes, no, no,

I'm driving. I'll go. Oh my god, I don't want to let him drive. First, take a breathalyzer. Well no, he was okay there. So I look at Jim Burt, who was our nose tackle. I said, I'm in the back. He goes, no, you're not. You're in the front. I'm sitting in the back. You know. He's like, so we're flying down the turnpike. It's really I'm sitting there at Oh my god, slow down. We're doing like ninety to

one hundred. A cop, a policeman pulls up besides us and goes on his micro slow down, you know, rubber, and you know, I think he recognized Lawrence. And Lawrence goes, oh, got it. You know. The cop takes off the policeman. I shouldn't say whatever, and he gets whatever. Lawrence floors again it's Lawrence. Oh he won't come back, and it just and we that was well, I don't know what to say. The stories don't do justice. Dipping he was dipping,

and so he threw his dip out the window. He goes like this and he throws it and we hear ding ding ding. His ring came off and lost it out in the road. He lost his Super Bowl now won the Super Bowl ring. It was a ring with lots of jewelry in it. Oh okay, you know what I mean? Oh my god, oh god, Well let's get let's let's get to the lead up of Super Bowl twenty one NFC Championship the Wind Bowl. Oh what was that like? You're playing Joe Gibbs and the Washington Redskins

at the time. Yeah, what's it like? You dream of playing in the championship game? Right? Yeah? And I jog out in the field and I literally couldn't hally run into the wind. It was so strong. And I go, I finally get here, and this is what I got playing, Like we what are we talking? Like? Thirty mile hour gusts forty two miles an out, forty two miles in the game time, it was forty two miles an out. Wow.

And you know, if you ever look at the game, there's stuff blowing everywhere the whole game, and it was I thought it was brutal. And the great thing, you know, coaches, it's never an accident. We win the toss or I can't remember, Yeah, we win the tos offended. We defended a goal and now who would think of that? Bill Goes, I want to get on He didn't say, he goes, I just want to get on top. First. We scored first. We got him, you know, and the Washington Redskins at

the time, they made a huge mistake. We kicked the field goal on our first tribe. It was third and long. We had a penalty and we had to kick another long field goal. Joe Gibbs accepted it to take us out of field goal range. He thought, well the next playoff, threw it down the middle for a huge game, got a first down and we drove down and scored and literally that was the game was over in the first quarter. Those those games people don't realize are like game changing.

In twenty thirteen, we played remember the Cleveland game where we came back and build we uh in overtime. We are we elected, or it was Denver we elected to defend a certain goal because it had the wind in the back of it so you could get the field goal. And everyone you know, was shaking their head what's Belichick doing? This guy's we ended up winning the game like that.

No one could throw into that side of the wind. No, And it's yeah, it's it's it comes and it roots from, you know, the Giants experience, I bet, because Bill doesn't forget anything anything and parcels. We were extremely uh what's the word for it? Careful. If it was fourth and two inches, we punted, you know today, I mean it literally could be this much. Punt it. Let the defense get it. We'll get it back here, you know. And when he had that defense too, well that had a

lot to do it. It was just a time of everything too. But we ran fake field goals, flea flickers, we did everything. A flea flicker in the Super Bowl, well we did a flea flicker went forward on fourth, you know. And that play was extremely complicated, to believe it or not. When Jeff Rutlers runs a sneak, we had seven plays. He had to check into the right play and it could be it was like called it, Oh, what's it? A rappa hole? I run a pass a

hit on the enemy. Yeah, that's what it was. And he had to pick which play and it was a quarterback sneak because they didn't put a guy over the guard. Wow, but we gambled a lot, and I swear they I can't remember where when he made a gamble that we didn't make it. So he had a bill, had a great feel parcels, had a great feel for when to do those and a plan when to do those situational plays. Probably like they went into you know, the game with

that potential situation to happen. They three or four plays waiting for it. Yeah, and you gotta have a plan when you go on those. I can hear him, we're gonna be aggressive, and I kind of knew that meant we're gonna really throw it and we're really gonna take chances, which we normally didn't do. Yeah, Yeah, that was great. I mean he did it in the Super Bowl, the fleet flicker, the fourth down. You know, he was awesome at making those decisions, especially during big moments when people

were getting tight. So now, you guys clearly played Denver Broncos lway in the Broncos. What about what did you when you guys, did you guys play before them in the play them during the regular season? No, in the championship weekend? Did you guys play. We were second. You were second, so you knew the drive happened. You knew that they beat the Browns, and you knew going into the wind Bowl that you were going to play the potential. Yeah, we were in the locker room going out to play

the game. That game was still going on at the very end. He was starting to drive, and I remember looking up there and going, you know, I knew Denver. We played them during the season. I'd played Cleveland the two years before that twice, and I go, Goda, hope Denver wins because Cleveland's defense was a big paint in the you know what. So I didn't know until we got out in the field and we're I think we

were just kind of warming up. They'd get ready to kick off the coin toss all that, and I heard Denver one and I remember just going, good, we match up better against Denver. That's all I remember thinking about that. Okay, Okay, So then Super Bowl week comes. You guys have a bye week. Mm hm, you had you had the extra week.

We had the week in between. Yeah, so we got three days off, which was really uncommon, uncommon, and then we came down and practice on Thursday, and it was a little shaky, and it was it was more than shaky. It was just I just remember getting destroyed. Yeah, Parcels was Sims. I'll ever give you any days all there, you know it was, and it was bad. It was too many days off. You think, you know, we'll practice against our defense. It sounds like we're gonna go out

there and tear it up every day. Yeah, but I just remember how he was. I couldn't here. I'm gonna getting ready to go to the Super Bowl a couple of days later, And all I could do is I was nervous as heck because I know the practice was as bad and he was brutal. Nothing changes, he lived it all. Practice was the most important thing of our life.

And this is the most important day. And if it's not perfect, and it was, you walk into the building at eight o'clock in the morning, or I'd get there about seven thirty for my first eight o'clock meeting, and I would get nervous worrying about practice. Damn, Yes, Parcels Sims, I mean, best as you complete yesterday in practice. Did he ever give you like positive encouragement to like, you know,

sometimes yeah, privately you know, Shims, I'm imitating him. He goes, I'm really proud of you, son, You're doing well, you're leading the team. You're just I'm just proud of you. Just want you to know today on the practice field, I want to tear into you right around. I go, can't we wait till we get He goes, Oh, come on, I gotta get I gotta teach these other well I can say it. He goes, these other assholes got to

see something. I gotta get through to them. So I'm gomost to yell at you and true to form no matter how practice is going. If I'm do any completion, he'd throw his papers up in the air and go through these anneks and just start ripping me. And I have to stand there like this and take it. And all the team's laughing, yeah, getting Bill's that's such a great abusive relationship that in private he's like, I love your son, and then the second yar out there, he's like,

your garbage. Oh well, He's yelling at the offensive line one day, just crushing them, and I'm standing behind him, going get them because I was getting hit way too much in the games. And he goes, and then of course he gets done yelling and he turns around and goes and it's your fault, and I go, of course, it's my fault. I'm f and Sims. I was never you know, he called me f and Sims. I'm just

fucking Sims. Absolutely fucking Sims. You're killing me. But he would blame me, and I go, well, what did I do? He goes, well, now you're there, buddy, take them out to dinner, Sims. Buy him some more presents. How's that working out for you back there? Huh so working out? Used to be their leader. They were afraid of you, And I just say, okay, okay, that is that the line you have to walk. I thought you're supposed to take the line at the dinner. Well yeah, but he

he was mad at them. He thought I would was salt on them because you know, they were my friends. Yeah. But I got in the car that night, which I did many times. I'm driving home and I go, God, damn, he's right, he's right. You know, there's there. It's like a coaching players. There's a line. Yeah, and you know, the quarterback has a chance to influence people, and especially now I was here, we are sitting here and you

know that's aw Tom Brady yelling his lineman. I mean, I got admit I did that a lot, but I only yelled at one of them. I would yell at the center and I would just crush him. Yeah, well it's not my guy, I said. You don't get the point. I don't care chand chaining command senator is a leader of the line. Yeah. And you know, bart Oates was a great center for h me. He goes after I'd

yell at him, and I don't know why. Sometimes it didn't punch me out, you know, because they're all twice the size of me, and Bartils would always go okay, okay, I'll get straight, I'll get straight. You know. It was great. That's that's respect though, because they understood that you were the first one in, the last one out. You know,

you worked your ass off. You got fucking yelled at by everyone, and I see that, you know, and how you dealt with it is a huge that's a huge part of your leadership and that's why you were probably one of the toughest competitors ever playing this game. Well, that's nice of you say, I don't know about that. I love playing, I love talking about it. I love practice. I mean I love practice. Yeah, you know, yeah, of course you love it. You don't have to do any well,

you're not going to listen to these coaches. And you didn't look forward to it, but you still loved it. No, I no, I didn't care. I mean I love practice. Yeah, I did it. Just it was so much fun and not fun but just learning and doing it and everything is a football player. Yeah, I mean it was nothing like going out and having a good practice. Oh great, we're gonna get better tomorrow. I mean it was great. And you were at a team where you like, I mean,

you're fourteen and two this year, I believe. Yeah, we're fourteen to Froncos are eleven and five. You are favored to win. They were eleven and five. Yeah, Oh they must have because we played them during the season that year. We were both I think ten and two, really, I think or something like that. We were both the same we had the same records. Interesting, yeah, and we both went in a bunch of close games. You might be wrong,

I don't anyway. You you're in Pasadena. I heard the weather in the first half was an issue for you guys, Well not for me. I mean, it was warm, but when you play, you know, playoff games, and forty mine I wins, and the other one was freezing, and we played in We played in so many bad weather games.

Then when we went to California. I think I was more excited the fact that we were just playing in California son, just warm weather, not gripping that football, which we couldn't rub up up like they do now the footballs were an issue, but it was so warm it made it better for me. The weather's better in California, but the people are better here. Was that it in New York City. That's what I say. Okay, weather's good, whether there's weather's but throwing the football, that was the

whole difference to me. It just it was amazing. I was in a great mood because I was like, Wow, this weather. Who couldn't play out here? This right here. Phil Simms thinks Joe Montana only had the stats he had because he played in californ for it. Whether if he played in New York he would not have been able to do it. Oh well, I'm not even of course, I'm not saying that that's always the New York identity of the teams that win. They always have a great defense.

I feel like, well you almost have to because the wind. The wind, I mean, you know, unless you're Josh Allen playing in today's game. Oh it's thirty by one hour wins. Okay, I'll just put a little more heat on it. Just a lot of good football right now. Yeah, there really is. He's incredible. Let's get into the game. So it was kind of a slow first half. But to come out on your first possession in the biggest game of your life, get seven, what's that do with the confidence? Well, it

was great. I think I'd lifted the whole team. You know, we were down, of course, as we know, ten to nine half and people go, what went on in your locker room a halftime? I don't know. We were relaxed, and you know, Bill Parcels never yelled really except I can only remember one game where he came in half and he was didn't yell at us. He was like, come on, when we gonna end this credit you know whatever. But it wasn't a big speech, basically, it was this he came all right, man, but he did say we

can't play any worse. And we got thirty minutes and that was it. Yeah, that was always his pre game speeches. All right, we worked hard all week. You guys are thirty. We got sixty minutes to scho get it done. It wasn't this raw raw. I mean, what are you gonna do? Ra ra? What? I don't want to hear that either. Yeah, that's the movie shit that Yeah, that's what do they say, Jill's when you get that emotional speech you run out there. It's all over after the first play and then you

got to play. Yeah, the emotion and all you do. Think of aut Puccino in any given Sunday. Oh yeah, it's a pretty cool speech. Well, they were trying to copy the big R guy a little bit, but I just go he never gave a speech like that. His speeches you probably got the same thing Wednesday morning. Is when you have the address to the crew, and it was long. It would be he can make it twenty minutes to thirty minutes, and it was here's what we're gonna do this week. We're gonna throw it against that

guy Simms. We're throwing it to him every chance we get over here at this corner and we're gonna do this, and that he'd give the state of the Union address and that was our weekly what we did for the rest of the week. Key's keys and they were big. The head coach gives his keys and you break up in the offensive defense. The coordinators will give their keys based off of what they think. But every Wednesday, when they're installing, you know, the head coach gets up and

f great. It was, it was awesome. I used to write them down and we could give a good speech. When we were playing the forty nine Ers back in eighty six on a Monday night game, he comes in and gives that speech and he goes, hey, now, fellas, fellas, he loves talking to you defensive backs. That Jerry Rice is a different dude. He's different. He's gonna run really fast at first play. I'm just telling you the last play of the game is still running that fast, so

you better be you know. Yeah, hear that and go wow, Okay, Jerry Rice is really special. And then when you cross pollin eate with the offense and defense in the same room. Hearing guys get coached, it holds an accountability for each side of the ball. When you hear, you know, the offensive guy getting yelled at the defensive guy walks by him in the cafeteria and say, hey, I hear you

didn't get that a gap, you know what I mean? Like, so it's that's that's a coaching ability, that's a coaching behavior that you know, I got a lot of because you know, Belichick was under Parcels and they probably you know, he probably stole and I stole. That was influenced, absolutely sure, he had to be. I mean, I saw Bill Belichick changed through the years. He was there in seventy nine and he took a head job in nineteen ninety one, right, yeah,

in Cleveland, I think that's was that, right, Cleveland. Yeah, So he was there twelve years under Bill Parcells. So of course you're going to learn a lot and imitate a lot of that. So and and that was you know, Parcels, that was his thing. He could connect with the player. Oh you know, he knew how to get the best out of his player. Like he probably did this that that to Phil and treated Phil the way he treated him, because that's what fires up Phil. Phil likes to be

pissed off. He plays well pissed off. I don't know, you know what I mean. And that's and that's what you know Parcells tried to do. I saw a lot of that stuff too, you know from from Belichick with certain people. You know, it's just they do whatever it takes to push the button to get the best out of you. Pushing buttons. He was great. Yeah, so you trade some, you trade well, he would bill. Here's what

Parcels would do. I watched him during the week. You know, he would walk around the locker room and get a guy and go all right, now, listen, here's what I need from you this week. You know you gotta you know, you gotta come on it. And he would work the room like you know, he had a restaurant. He would get everybody individually, just for thirty seconds and maybe say something, you know, now you got to play better. I don't want to take your ass out, you know, or what.

But he was very If you want honesty, he was honest. Well he's looking at every piece of the machine to make sure. I mean, it's the big blue recond crew, every every piece of the guy. But he worked everybody. It was. It was an unbelievable thing. It's a it's a It's the best skill I think a coach can have, absolutely to be able to do this to players to be tough on them, and still, what's the word not alienate them? And all that. They just knew this is

what it is, and he's doing. You want honesty, I'll play. I just want you to be honest. Do you really do you really want them? Yeah? Bill was honest. I saw him do this. I hate to tell these stories. We're in training camp and we're doing an inside run thing and we have a guard. I'm not gonna say his game. He goes, I'll call him Billy. Billy, I got the plane ticket in my drawer. Don't make me give it to you. Come on, I gotta see it. Come on, I got the damn plane ticket in the drawer.

And I just go, Wow, that was really like, that was rough. Yeah, he just and he would give the guy two or three days and almost always one morning we show wear so and so. Oh they let him go, but he would warn them if you don't up. Oh no, he never bluffed, but I heard him do that quite a few times. Yeah, but he was warning the guy, you know that if you don't practice better, then it's just not going to work. Here the plane ticket in

the drawer, Yeah, I got them. I mean I can, Like my ex girlfriend did the same thing to me. I mean, and it's on the phone now, so it's you know, it's different. She booked the flight and we taught. We taught Phil the day at inside the NFL thirst trapping and dming really yeah? Yeah, so we're getting his terminology. I new DM direct messaging. What is thirst trapping? You know, like, I mean, come on, what the hell is that? It's

it's for thirsty people that try to trap people. It's like you put a sexy photo up there hoping that'll it'll get attended. Oh is that what? Okay? Now that makes better sense? I mean I don't know. Yeah, people get trapped with that. I still don't so much trapping going on right now. And then there's like the horny comment people who like are a little too engaging, you know,

with they'll write comments like what's looking great? Yeah, and you're like, that's what's the other thing you were doing today? You look? What what is it? Oh? Drip drip check? Yeah, drip I mean and we gave him drip check. Yeah. I mean, people say you got to start learning. I don't need to learn crap. I don't want to be hip. I don't. It's over. I want to act my age. I'm going to act my age. I'm not trying to be cool. I don't want to be hip and whatever.

You know what. The crazy thing about that is that's hip. That's hip, not caring? Is that The fact that you don't want to be hip is hip? As I say, there's nothing worse than looking at old guy trying to act young. Yeah, and I want to say till it ain't working. Stop it is this about my sneakers? Uh, well you're not old. No. Was the Knicks? You got the Nick colors the season starting, I got to get the good vibe. Yeah, okay, that don't really help. Hell,

you're a New York legend. You gotta be behind us. Hey, I like all the New York teams. I root for him. Man. When we were playing during the height of our cur you know, giant thing, the Knicks were. Hell, we could have taken four of those guys and started them on our football O man, Anthony Mason. Would you could have played alongside LT all of Oakley, all them Oakley, John Starks. I mean, come on, they wanted to fight, they didn't want to play hoops. I loved it. But it was great.

I even made a comment once somebody said something. I said, man, if we ever get as tough as a Knicks nobody, he'll beat us. Yeah. And pat Riley, at the time, I think was coaching legend. Oh my god, should I tell you pat Riley started please so my first year in TV, NBC wants me to be a saline reporter in basketball, just to get just to do something. And then I was like, oh my god. So I'm doing it. And I got a Nick game first, so I'm like, Hannah Storm is showing me how it works. I said, Okay,

I think I got it. I gotta do a couple of reports and all that stuff. And pat Riley goes, hey, you know morehead boy. Hey you know Kentucky. You know because he played a Kentucky. And when he goes, okay, everything good, I said, yeah. He goes, listen this and that. He goes, I just want to tell you one thing. Don't you think about sticking your head in my huddle? And I mean he said it with vinegar, and I just went, don't worry. I won't. I mean, damn, yeah,

he goes, don't you know that's pat Riley. He's talking in a private group. He didn't want anybody talking about what he says or hearing it. And he's a big dude too. You ever met him. I never met, Oh pat Rice, Well he played, he was yeah me, he's six four, six ' five, I mean, big old guy. Holy Christ, he's slicked hair. Oh yeah. He had to look our money suits, our money looking looking scared of me. I didn't get close to their huddle. I stayed as far away from them as I mean. NBA games, Oh Joe,

it's just nothing. I'd be on the court before the game, shooting threes with Charles Barkley. Wow, can you imagine throwing somebody coming out in the field. But now, no, no, it doesn't happen. It was incredible. And then I would do reports. They put me on the foul line during the time out. The timeouts over all the players are standing around me like this, looking at me, and I'm going, should I get out the colder? They goes, no, just

to your report, and then they didn't care. They just hold the game until you're done, and then we'll start the game again. You know basketball is a different breed. Well, you know they play any two of those games. I don't think they get too serious about it a lot of times. But yeah, the fact that I was shooting on the court before the game, nobody said a word to me with Charles Barkley. I din't gonna tell you what we were gambling with, but it wasn't. We weren't

playing for pennies. But that way, what about? Uh so this game? The turning point in this game, there's a goal line stop. Yeah, a couple yea three straight stops. I think Banks made the last tackle, LT made the first. It was a huge stop. You guys, get the ball back, as LT always, I'll get you the ball back. Yeah, And that's when you started just whipping it. Five straight consecutive touchdown drives. We were you twenty three for like, I think you had three incompletions three twenty two or

twenty five. That's insane. But we were Super Bowl. Well yeah, you know, listen, when you're playing, I don't know if you were you in the zone, I didn't think about anything, just thinking of the play and always go. You know, many times, if you can do that, you're generally gonna not be unhappy with yourself when it's over. But I didn't do that near enough. You know, it was just always, oh,

I threw an interception, Now I'm gonna be careful. And then the days I played well, I throw an interception. You know, if it happened, and everybody, oh, don't worry about I said, I'm not worried about it. You get ready to tackle. I'm gonna throw it. We might throw six today. And when I had that attitude, I played really, really well. But you know, that's circumstances. I didn't always have that attitude. But in that Super Bowl, in the second half, I think we John Ellwie went three and

out three or four straight times. So the time we scored and I'd go sit on the sideline, we had to ballack. Was it crazy to see a guy that talented, who could scramble to throw the ball just kind of getting dominated in that second half? Yeah, I mean, I guess you know, when you're a player, you never look at the other guy and say he's great, but you

knew he was great. I don't know, you know, somebody said, somebody said to me, Edwin Pope of the Miami Herald, that's I actually just sat down and a reporter sat around me. Can you imagine that in the super Bowl now and Evan Public goes, what would you have done if John Elway to come to Moorhead State? You know, I was much older than John. I said, well, he'd have sat behind me until I graduated. And I thought,

hell yeah, that would be headlines and papers. And it was just another line in an article he wrote later. You know. So I was feeling good. But then I retired, not retired, whatever, My career was over. I was doing a game in Denver early the first year I did broadcasting, and I was standing behind there huddle watching the practice. I go, it's freaking always pretty good. I was like, Holy Christ, but it was cool. John's was a great dude, and we of course knew each other really well as

the years went through and everything. But it was good competitive. Nah, fuck, dad, he ain't better than me? Well come on, you know how exactly I mean? Me and Joe Montana literally I don't mean to I don't want to dramatize it or whatever, but we didn't like each other. No, And it was my fault because I'm a jerk. You know. I can, of course on the field, I could really be a jerk, and I said some things, but it got to like, this is crazy, Like we'd score. I look at him

and go, what do you think of that? You know, I'd make gestures and then he got into it. He throw something and score against us, and he'd be looking at me, and I just go, I deserve it. And then one day I don't know how it happened or what a camera was in the tunnel a giant stadium, or maybe it was after a game in San Francisco and his wife. I saw Jennifer, Jennifer Jennifer and I said something. She goes, oh, let me go get Joe, and and I was like, oh good, maybe we can

get over this now or whatever. You know, it just hit me in my head. You know how I always tell you my dogs were Dwight and Montana. Yeah, if Walsh would have got you, my dogs could have been Dwight and Sims. Well, mister Simms, yeah, well that could have been true, but it also means that it could have been that nobody had known Bill Walsh and I. But when it was over, nah, I don't know. Yeah, it was pretty listen are you? Are you? And Montana good? Though? Now?

Oh yeah, we're great. I mean I've done appearances, with them, and I kind of do the talking and ask him questions and Joe tells, of course he's got unbelievable stories and all that. But yeah, we're really I'll say this. He has a son, Nick, Nick came up in the summers one year to throw with me. Now, how's that? That's pretty cool? No, but I'm just saying. His father was Joe Montana and he was coming up to throw with me. So and Chris Collinsworth goes, wait, let me

hold on. This is strange you're gonna throw. Because Joe was on a show on Inside the NFL with us and he was talking about his son, and I said, I, what do you want me to do when you Why haven't you sent him to me yet? Because he send you know, he went all these quarterback gurus because Joe didn't want to do it. And Joe goes, okay, I'm gonna send him up. He's I think he stayed in my house. Now, how was it? How was Joe on inside the NFL? He was just a guest. He was

always good. He would tell tell great stories. You know. I'd ask him I heard this, is that true? And he would yes, that's true. You know some of the What were the questions we asked him, Steve Young, Joe, Montana, the Bill washed uff and he would tell me somebodys go, wow, that's those are rough situations. He didn't like him, No,

I didn't. I can't really remember what he said. But you know when they won the Super Bowl what the eighty eight season, they were shuffling, going back and forth and they finally made a decision, right, yeah, and stayed with Joe and he was on fire. He threw the ball awesome at the end of that year. Was that the year was he in Chicago in eighty eight? Yeah, they played the Bears in Chicago. Yeah, it was the best game I ever saw him throw the football. And

that's saying a lot. But the weather cold, it was really windy, and he was throwing and I said, wow, Joe was He was on fire? Of course. Then I think that was the year he went down to New Orleans and played Denver. Oh yeah, yeah, and just smoked him, smoked him. That would have been eighty nine probably, I can't remember what eighty nine because then in ninety he got hurt. You guys, well, he won in eighty eight and eighty nine, and then ninety. You guys hurt him?

When did Yeah, when did you go to Kansas City ninety ninety three or ninety two? I'll tell you ninety three, three ninety three. I'm positive because he was there and I was with the Reeves that year and my career ended after that year, and Joe played another year in Kansas City. But yeah, I'm right, I remember that part about it. He played. Of course he played great in Kansas City too. Yeah, you guys got hit so damn hard.

You guys couldn't last well, that was I was hurt in the game he got hit in ninety so I was in the locker room kind of watching it on TV and going on the sidelines because I was on crutches, and I think, yeah, Pat summerw when Joe got hit as he rolled to the right and looking Leonard Marshall had a fifteen yard running start at him. And the next series started and Pat Sumraw goes the injury report from the bench is Joe Montana has overall ache. That was it? Overall ache? Oh god, it was maybe the

worst hit I ever saw a quarterback take. I mean, you remember it, right, I remember it. It looked like he broke them. Yeah, it looked like he broke his back. Yeah, he hit him so hard, he did. He broke his back, he did, That's what it was. He broke his back. Wow. Well back to Super Bowl twenty one, this was a game for so many First, you were the first to say I'm going to Disneyland, and then what's something said

the disney World too? You covered your baby? Did both? Yeah, they maybe did both, Yeah, Disneyland, disney World, and then you it was the first Gatorade shower. But I read that you guys were doing this. We did it all year or not all year. I don't know really how it started. I need to ask the culprits, but I think they did it over parcels. It wasn't because we're celebrating, because he was in one of those moods that week,

like really bad. Yeah, and it was intolerable, and so one of the players who you know, he was on fire. You got to cool him off, and A just basically said, that's for what you know, Yeah, I don't want to overdo it, or but that's because you were a jerk all week and I'm cleaning it all I bet. But see, how about that you could say that to him and allow it to happen, and you know he you know, Bill just shrug it off and that's it. And then it became, you know, part of every game we won.

It became when's Bill going to get doast with gatorade? And wasn't bon Jovi on the sideline a bunch? He was at practices a lot. Yeah, I heard he was like the good luck charm? Is that what they said? Yeah, it could be. Of course I would be practicing. See there's John bon Jovi over there, and he was friends with Belichick. Yeah, and he but they would always let him out. He watched a lot of practices. I'm sure you saw him. Yeah, probably more than I did. We

saw him a lot too in New England. Yeah. I remember James Taylor singing the national anthem at the Super Bowl coming off the field, and you know, he's a big giant fan and he sees Bill. He hits my parcels. Yeah, get away from me. Wow. No he didn't say okay, okay. So no, I didn't like people touching me from I

didn't like talking to celebrity. I talked to one celebrity before a game, John McEnroe, right, it was before the Tennessee Titans game with Tom's last game we lost that I'll never talk to another one like I hated talk. I wanted to be like you said in the zone, you got to be focused on what you have to focus on. Yeah, I did. I did a benefit for McEnroe once and uh. In the front row, it's like

this awful crowd. They're just talking. My entire set, every comics bombing and I just see this one lady one. I'm like, lady, shut up. And McEnroe was like, yes, Macro's applauding me. Just fishing people. It's funny. Yeah. On the my agent was good friends with Billy Crystal and Rob Reiner and of course they lived in La Well not of course, but they did. And he says, do you want to have dinner with him on Friday night? I said, you know, Friday night, I would because I

liked Friday night. It's over and it'll be a good time to relax a little. I'll love to do it. Well, we go to dinner, Maconkie me. Uh, Rob Reiner didn't make it. Billy Crystal's there, so who have a great dinner and it's nice. We're laughing about a lot of stuff. And finally Billy Crystal, who's a great New York sports fan, he turns to me real seriously, so what do you think? And I go, well, what do you mean when I think, well,

I think we're gonna win, you know whatever. He goes and I said, well, let me tell you what we're gonna do. I said, on the first play, we're gonna want to play action. I'm gonna throw the line of manual over the middle. The second play, we're doing this. The third play, we're doing that, and we get near the goal line. Here's what we're doing. He's going, really, I said, it's all true, because what are you gonna do? You can't And I'm not worried about what he's gonna

tell anybody. So he's in the stands, we get the ball and he goes, he's gonna throw a play action pass to line ol man. Oh shut up, Billy, you don't know nothing. And it happens. They go what's he doing next? And he told the story I think on Johnny Carson that everybody kept going, what do you think, Billy? The whole game He's, well, you know, but I told him as much as I could and just that he could retain. But I told him that first series and those plays really came off one, two all the way,

just like we hope they would. Wow. Yeah, I know he was. He was great New York sports fan. But he's a clip fan. Is he a Clippers fan? He's I think a Yankees Giants but he's a Clippers fan. Yeah, I know he's a huge Yankee fan. He was, you know, he was a really good baseball player, was he? Yes, really good shortstop. He went I think he went to West Virginia and played baseball, and then he decided maybe acting might be a or whatever, being a comic. He did sixty one. I mean that was a good movie.

Yeah about Maison Mantle. Yeah. Well, the best Broadway player I ever saw was his seven hundred Sundays? Is that what it was? Does y might know? Whatever the name was. It was just him reliving his life with his father, growing up, the music world and all this. Oh my gosh, I got to check it out. It was so funny. No, this has been years ago, but he did it in LA he did it on TV. I think he's doing another one now is something different. But I laughed so

much there was four of us. I had a family friend, my youngest son, and another guy. One of my nephews was there. We laughed so hard a couple of times. Here's the stage. He's talking. I had to turn around. I said, I can't listen. I'm exhausted from lapping. It was. It was truly that funny it was. It was awesome. Geez. So, uh you know super Bowl MVP. Did you get some sort of car? I got a super Room. You got a Super U Super Yes, they had super US in

eighty eighty seven. Yeah, I guess so because they gave me one. Is it good? You still got it? I do? What do you do? You use it? It's just sitting down in Kentucky. But I go to New York to get the car. The city they have that you know, a luncheon, and they go, okay, here it is, get into forest. I'm like, it's small. It was really okay here I am. I don't know, look no, but it was great. Who cares what the car was. That's what it stood for exactly. We never we never got a car.

I never get I just got a trophy. You didn't get a car back car? Super MVP. Yeah, no, they stopped it. Wow, they were getting away escalate, escalades, cadillacs, GM products. Didn't get it, didn't get anything they give it? You were you a Pro Bowl MVP two? No, I think they give away car for it, don't they. Yeah, they used I don't know, I didn't go, didn't know. I don't know. Well, I the one I played in. I was in fortunately the m v P and John

Robinson was the coach. And after they named the MVP, goes, did you get a car? I said, I don't know what it'll be awesome? You know, I got a trophy about this big, I got a cool trophy they gave Yeah, they give you like the like the whatever, the silver football, the silver Yeah, it's beautiful. Actually was it Tiffany's my mom my mom's house. Oh it is. Yeah. I was disappointed in the trophy too. No car, no trophy, Holy Christ. Just lucky to get out of the game. No one,

you know. And I remember when it was over, I said, I'm never coming back. I'm not doing this again. This was torture. Is there anything we missed about this game? About the game, No, I don't know what to say about it was, you know, and I've watched the game probably two or three times, and I just couldn't get over how fast it went by. In other words, it seems long or whatever. What I was thinking. Then I watched the game, I go, Wow, that game went quick,

and wow, we could have lost it like seven different times. Yeah. You know, that's what really kind of gets me when you look back, Oh my god, we stopped l way. Oh he missed the field goal. You know, you just start thinking of all the breaks that kind of go your way or you create. And I think that was the biggest thing when I see it. Oh my god. Who was Ricky Hunley their middle linebacker. You know, I watched the game once and I just went, oh my god.

He was a superstar. He made every tackle I mean, and he was pissed off too the whole game. Get up, he kicked people, you know, Oh sorry, but I mean he was unbelievable. How but I would have never own that unless I sit down and watch the game again. You know, some of the guys that played so great. Carl Banks was the whole postseason. He was killing Oh my god, it was. He was the MVP really the

whole postseason. In fact, John Madden even said everybody talks about Lawrence Taylor right now, the best linebacker in the NFL is Carl Banks. Wow. He said it on the air, which is a big thing for and John Badden loved Lawrence so him. For him to say that was tells you how great Carl Banks was during that postseason. So well, mister Simms, I do like your shirt. Yeah, it wore this to make you comfortable. Yeah. Well, I'm sweating like I hot in here. It is hot, good hot. You

know when you get older you sweat a lot. You know that I don't. I'm still You'll see. It's things to look forward to. It's heat. You're always hot, always tired because you can't sleep as well. I mean everybody. Oh yeah, but you can't look forward to the having avodka cocktail with the wife and cooking. You can look forward to those things I do. It's a simple. It's

a simple and you know we're empty nesters. You know, of course my kids are all old or they I got grand kids, and they go, how's it as empty nest? You miss the kids? No, it's awesome. Look at the house to ourselves. I don't have to worry about we don't have to make dinner for these every night. And you know it's great. It's great. From the man, the myth, the legend of New York Football Giants, the New York Football Giants, Phil Simms. Yeah, no, let me finish up

with this. I got to say, nobody in history has sucked the life out of one game more than me and Joe Namath. Come on, I'm here because of that game, not my career. I mean, everything I do, it's just because of that game. It really is. Well you you showed up when it mattered most. Well, big players make big plays in big games, mister Sims, and that's exactly what you did for a long time tough football player. We appreciate you coming. I can't wait. You have a podcast?

You have? What do you have? You know? I just go on everybody's podcast. No, I don't want to do the podcast. King if people call me, I said, yeah, can you wait till next week? I got two other ones this week. Yeah, I'll do them. You know, I know all the people and it's fun. You're good at it. Well, I don't know if I'm good at it, but I don't want to do one. All right, you know I'm looking not that I'm scaling back because if I work to I always say, if I work till I'm ninety,

I'll break even. Yeah. So why why is that? Well, because I'm the money shredder. Yeah, you're oh you what the money shredder my wife. My wife goes shopping. I love it. I don't care. She said, she'll tell you the story. She'll go shopping. She shows that. I said, I love them. Let me see the bill. I go, Diana distress. You know what calls so and so, and you know what her answer is. You know that's ridiculous. I mean, this has been going on. I made the

mistake in nineteen eighty three. Now wait, my daughter was born in eighty four, so maybe it was eighty seven or whatever. My daughter's young. I said, you know, Dana, I don't care what you and dear dreit you can buy all the clothes you want doesn't mean anything because clothes were cheap then. Yeah, well, now here we are, what thirty some years later, and it's still going on,

and uh, those clothes are not cheap anymore. So. Well, from the man who's married to the money shredder, money shredder, she's proud of it. Women shopping man. Oh shoot, true, thanks for having me on, Yeah, having us all right, come on time. Unbelievable stories you ever know anything? All right? Games with names got you? All right, Man, you're the best, You're the best. Good stuff. Man, he was great. He was good. Yeah, really good. I mean it's he's a

professional and he's your buddy. I mean, it's cool he's your coworker. Yeah, he's Uh, he's a New York legend. I told. I told a good friend of mine. He's also a native New Yorker, my friend Matt Sallacus, who who directed one of my specials. And he he goes Phil Simms. I said, yeah, he goes. That's a fucking legend. He is tough, competitor, great stories. Uh, he's just tough, you know. And the Giants defense. That's crazy that he has all those intel. I mean it probably made him

a better quarterback every day going against him. And just to hear that these these teams went live on Super Bowl Week with a scrimmage. That's crazy. I mean, don't you think that is part of what made Tom so great? Is that though some of those patriots we didn't have, we didn't go live on a you know, I know, but you were going against he went against the defense. Definitely,

definitely going against defense. But I'm just saying the brutality of what the game was when mister Simms was playing like he didn't even he doesn't remember getting a personal foul on them, like roughing the quarterback. I mean, we're seeing guys protect knees on quarterbacks, fart on quarterbacks, and they're getting fifteen yarders in a fine like it's ridicy, it's crazy. I mean, if you watched some of these highlights. I think there's a highlight of him picking up his

teeth because he was getting serious. There's these quarterbacks used. By the way, farting on a quarterback would be the best celebration dance ever after a sack, just like lifting up a leg. That's a that's a badass celebration. Or just piss on him with a fire hydrant. Yeah, just fake fake like a zipping down it. Yeah, that's a that's a good one. They settled the prop bet. Did we do it? Did we get it? We must have done it. I had five, damn five. We got to

review the tape. I'm getting a lot of a lot of conflicting messages here, but I got five. Damn. I'm sorry, guys, under there's no reason to be sorry, but we'll take it. Jackie. What's the legacy for this game? I think it's, you know, big blue wrecking crew, This this set up who the Giants franchise wanted to be until now. Honestly, whenever the

Giants win, it's because of the defense. We've had killer quarterbacks who rise to the occasion, you know, Sims Eli, But like, let's be real, you make it this far in the playoffs with a great defense. Complimentary football teams, Yeah, you know, defense, got teams that know how to play with each other, you know, and and you know, just with with Parcels and how he was trying to push buttons to get the best out of his players. That'll always stick out from just hearing the stories from Sims.

Mister sims performance in the Super Bowl eighty eight percent completion percentage, getting the Super Bowl MVP. You know, five consecutive drives with touchdowns at the end of the game, that's I mean, that's that's a that's a super Bowl. Yeah, this was that was they were losing at halftime and blow them out. That's that's adjustment. That's players making big plays in big situations and great coaches giving great information. So you know that was pretty cool. Also Belichick's first

taste of a Super Bowl. Yeah, as a as an assistant. Then he got carried off. We needn't ask him that. I didn't ask him that. So what's the lasting image for this? I mean, it's pretty crazy that this was the first time they ever said we're going to Disneyland, because that's all you think about when you were a kid, when you went playing in the backyard with your boys, having an imaginary game or whatever, like you always dreamed about saying I'm going disney World. I'm going Disneyland. It

was wholesome. It was wholesome. It wasn't like I'm going to the titty bar. It's like, I'm going to Disney And the kids were like, oh, okay, yeah, you know, I'm going to Disneyland. That and the Gatorage splash. The Gatorage splash is an on parcels, who's this iconic code and all because they didn't. They were mad at him during the week. I remember he said he started they started it because he was an asshole all week. You

don't realize that's an aggressive move. Like you think that's like we love you, coach, but it was like, fuck you, here's your gatorade. It's so funny to see the reactions of these coaches when they get hit at the cold So funny. There's not beause it's the greatest moment. But you're just sticky. Isn't that weird? You're just like I'm

just covered in you know, sugar. Yeah, But in defense of and like what nutritionists could say, if they're thirsty with all the amount of energy output that they, even coaches do, just standing out there, maybe just give a little lick. You get a lick, get a little sugar. But also, dude, during Pasadena, he's getting eaten up by mosquitoes. After that, now there's no mosquitos in color. That's humidity. That's humidity, humidity something some flies or nothing. Not been

to California. They were flies. Debatable jacket on that we gotta I'm just saying there's no humidity, there's no bugs. How about I got another lasting image for you, Bivarro in the end zone and the shot above him sixteen to ten giants, because that's the touchdown where they start to never look back. Yeah, that's pretty badass. That was a physicality to lasting image. That just a physical team, physical on offense. You could just tell mister Simms just

a tough guy defense. We don't even to talk about that. We had just no lt Banks, the badasses Jack. What do we forget? We got a couple of things here today. Phil mentioned Billy Crystal baseball talk. Billy Crystal actually went to Marshall on a baseball scholarship, but the program got suspended before he could play a game, transferred back to NYU. The rest is history. Rumor even has that he was classmates with Oliver Stone and Christopher Guest. So those are good.

You go to NYU, you're giving up on sports. It's over. It ain't Marshall Donna say we are n YU. It's done. We are what alas other than YU. We talked about Dan Marino setting the passing record or passing attempts record at six twenty three that season. It's been blown out of the water. Just to put it in context, Brady had seven hundred nineteen passing attempts last season, and that's not even first. Matthew Stafford in twenty twelve seven hundred

and twenty seven extra game. Yeah, extra game and they just throw the balls all day. We also talked about the wind in the Wind Bowl and the equated it to Bill taking the wind in a twenty thirteen game against the Broncos twenty four nothing comeback, Patriots end up winning an overtime Bill takes the wind. Jewels finished with nine catches one hundred and ten yards to TDS to bad day against the wind, but great Bob Seger song again again love Bob Singer rules in the page. Buddy,

Oh that's the the road song. Oh it's perfect. Got two more Dr Pepper, I know where got a packed one today? Uh? Today. The prune juice rumor has nagged Doctor Pepperson's the nineteen thirties. It's a unique blend of natural and artificial flavors. No prune juice, but it is. It is a rumor. The rumors get started. That's like the Richard gear gerbil in the ass. It's probably not true, but it must really hurt him, you know, does he? There's got to be some truth, who knows. I mean,

it's got to come from somewhere, I know. But that's got If that's not true, that's got a stink. Well how men years ago was that? I don't know, Because the Gerbil thing was like a hot topic for a second, it had to be post pretty Woman. He's not landing a romantic comedy lead as the Gerbil guy. I mean with that, he's a silber fox. That's pretty handsome. He is handsome, handsome guy. Good looking guy, good looking guy. That rumor has been around since ninety eight. Wow, yeah,

that's post pretty Woman. Oh yeah, wait post yeah, primal Fear Salad, Richard Gear Movie, Young Ed Norton, all right, one last one, last one. Phil was a talker on this episode. Phil was a talker in the postgame interview of this so CBS did not get to air one shining moment, which we now know is played after every n CUBA tournament. It was supposed to be for the Super Bowl. The lyric was the ball is kicked, and we now know it has been changed to the ball

is tipped for the NCAA tournament. They saved it, use it for the NCAA tournament. Now it's legendary. What are we even talking about? You know the song they play at the end of every NCUAA tournament. Absolutely not huh, Well, you guys gotta watch some college troops. I don't know. I mean we watch it. Oh man, I don't know the song. I'm usually knocked out with my bracket in like the first three days, so I stink, all right, not a as badly as Julian is in our fantasy

football league. But I won this last week. I didn't get murdered in my Pickhum's league with inside the NFL. Literally, I think I need to just I went four for twelve, four for twelve. I'm going to start making my picks and then turn in the opposite. That's what I have to I mean, it's it's a fucking disaster. Yeah, he's fucking handicappers slame the game. That's tough. I think it's got to be. I'm going to Disney World game. I don't think that's it. Although that's that's a good name,

but it's that's after the game. You can't call the game. Some of them the post game, the Gatorway Shower game. It's that's a great image, but I don't think that's it. I think it's got to be. Mister Sims goes to Pasadena, Mister Simms goes to Pasadena. That's good. It's three children, but we just call it the Giants first super Bowl. I mean, that's that's pretty that works. Okay, which way are you leaning? Well, let's give mister Simms roses. Let's do it, give us a lot of time. Mister Simms

goes to Pasadena. It's like Curious George goes to Pasaden. Mister Simms goes to Pastinas. That's that's that's good. Curious George fucking rules Smith goes to Washington. Well, I think it's a rip riff on. Uh yeah, the movie oh holy smokes, yeah no, but Curious Chorge was good. I'm like, escape. I think they escaped the Nazis. Isn't that the story with Curious George. They escaped the Nazis with only their books and they and they like came and started up.

I think that's the whole Curious George story. Really look into that, look into that. That's good. How do we score the game? Uh? Steaks, Steaks are high. It's a super Bowl, first super Bowl for the New York Football Giants. That pretty much starts their lineage. It's interesting because like steaks, now you look at for the Broncos. They're high, but you know Lway one two at the end, it's not like he would be back. He would so you can't

go as high for that. But for the Giants, the stakes are high, I think because you have this amazing defense. If you don't deliver with this team, it's it's a letdown. They've got they they blew, they blew the breaks off of the forty. Yeah, so the stake like this was their shot. Yeah, because the Niners were the team of the eighties exactly, So I think the stakes are pretty high for the Giants. Yeah, I would say nine flat nine flat nine Yeah, I know. Yeah. Star power, I

mean we have there's so many huges. It's a huge star power because you have to not just the players, but the coaches. Very true. I mean, this is it's like a nine to three maybe, is that crazy? I mean you've got Lway, Lt Sims, Banks, Belichick, Parcels, big names. E. Yeah. Yeah, we gotta go nine two nine two. That's it's it's tough. That's nine two, I'll get we gotta go nine two. Gameplay, I mean, the goal line stand was good. It was a back and forth battle in the first half, but

then it became a It wasn't amazing. It wasn't an amazing game. Now, it's not like it came down to the wire or something. No, what do you think like eight two seven eight, seven four six eight, Kyler is a hater man. Seven to two, seven to two. It's a seven pass. It's really good. The name is I can't go too high in the name. Mister Simms goes to Pasadena because it's what like a seven? You're going lower? Five six? All right? Five six? Are we disrespecting him,

mister Simms. We're gonna hear from him. We said it. It's in Let's see what the game Kyler? Dude, Russian seven point eight, that's pretty good. The Iron iron Man match was a nine or eight? Was it? It was an eight eight? That's an eighty eight place a full point. Yeah, the Ironman mattress pretty hardcore. It's pretty hard. I mean, isn't New York football giants? Well? Look, I would love to go higher here. I'm just saying, but you got we gotta be got to honor this score the game.

We have to on the score. But I just want people to know, like I tried to give him more, and you know, Sam just said, Hey, no, dude, you it's right where it's at. Remember Games with Names on YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, We're everywhere. Subscribe on Apple podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen, uh, comment on a game, rate and review us, swipe up yeah, rate review, comment, like and talk to us. And curious George anything you were correct, Boom, suck at Nazis. You

couldn't stop curious. George bared you, bared you for life. And that was a fun episode. And that's all for this episode of Games with Names, presented by win Bet. Thank you guys so much for listening, and thank you to our sponsors and to our great guest, our mister Simms. I'm Julian Edelman, I'm Samuel. We'll see you next game.