“Iron Man Match” with Shawn Michaels | Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels

Heartbreak Kid and Sean Michaels about the match from WrestleMania twelve. Big, big, big deal. He has a big one. Brett Hart versus Shawn Michaels. Me personally, I was a Brett Hart guy. I low key was too. I was are. I respected Sean. I like Sean Michael. I. I then became a fan of Shawn Michaels in this next like eight month window because he created Generation X right, Degeneration X did he start it? I know it was him. He was part of it. Billy Gunn and the road Dog and uh

X poc right. Yeah, that was the crew. They were. I mean, they popularized suck it. That was the whole thing. Suck it. Yeah, we'll be joined by Shawn Michaels later, the Heartbreak Kid, the show stopper, show stopper, one of the best, one of the best n ring ever. Like a guy who could do backflips, high flyer everything. When I was watching him, he always had great hit mobility. Yeah, like when he got in his little flex pose and he got his little leg like, you have to have

really really flexible hips on that. So I respect his hip flexibility as an athlete. Like, I'm gonna get into that with him. Yeah, you know, I wonder what kind of drills he's doing. Is he doing like hurdle drills? Is he doing yoga? But yeah, we'll check that out. This March took place. This match took place in March of ninety six. Yeah, of course at WrestleMania twelve. That's crazy. Yeah, this was a big one. This had all the big

names too. It had Undertaker, Diesel, Big Daddy Cool, you know, Steve aust Steve this one young Steve Austin, Ultimate Warrior. He was there. He was kind of on the he was on the last limb. I think he had a superstar like match with who who was it? Hunter Hurst? Helmsley? Oh, Hunter Hurst, the rich kid from Connecticut before he became Yeah, and he's my beef with Ultimate Warrior. And because I know you're a fan, I just love that he would sprint out and just slide through like that. That's where

my my rundown. I'm the freaking uh like before games, I'd always run down the sideline and I felt like the like just the fucking Ultimate Warrior when I was doing that, I yeah, I get how we could fire you up. My problem was the in ring stuff. Every match was two minutes. He was like a premature ejaculator. He'd promise you the world and then he'd just be like, I'm sorry, you know, yeah, unfortunately I do know. I'm joking.

This is a joking podcast. But he was a uh he was just like he wasn't like an in ring guy like these guys sixty minutes. This is like Kamasutra. Well this is I mean this this match was insane because, like you said, two minutes for the Ultimate war this is a sixty minute match. Next the Iron Iron Man match, which I think the previous long was like twenty minutes before that. You have to have some crazy, crazy stanma stamina. Yeah, to go out and compete and perform like these two

men did for an hour. Like I do this boxing training right now. I'm boxing right now, and these are like three minute little like rounds that you do and you get so tired when you're leaning up against another person and actually compete, like I couldn't imagine going for an hour. And it started out slow. Yeah, it started out so, but I think they were doing that to conserve energy. I mean probably an hour long match of just getting beat down. Well, there's that one moment in

the match. I guess Michael's is still kind of the heel at this point and he and he uh he chugs the water and that was like the bad guy move. It's like he's having water. Yeah, that's how unhealthy this shit is. They're like, don't you had water? I mean, hydration is bad at that time. You got to earn the water. Yeah, you know, it was one of those things. Why are we doing this match? Because I think this is you got to call this one of the most

iconic matches. Weirdly, I don't think it's Michael's best match. I think he had better matches, you know, the ladder match with Razor Ramon, either of those, but uh, this is two icons. This is it's almost a passing of the torch here, right, you got Brett hard As he was short term champion though it wasn't like like he got like short end of the stick. That was a

huge thing. Like they I guess they weren't performing as well for that that year and who was Diesel had it and then he took it from Diesel and then they needed someone to look a little more spunk, a little more flair, and that's where you know, Sean Michaels comes in, and you know, this was like the start of a generation, like the Attitude era. It was a right around the corner, that whole kind of punk that

fuck you like, like almost kind of very gen z ish. Yeah, it was, uh and this was I guess Sean was like the young guy thirty one, hardest thirty nine here, and I know he didn't have like a long run, but he was the guy. He was the guy technically sound, yeah, he was the best. And like if you talk to wrestlers, he was a wrestlers. Wrestler. He put dudes over, he was he was the guy and he's the guy to put over Sean Michael. I don't think they liked each other.

They hated each other. I was watching I was doing some of my research. Yeah, shout out to the research research group of the pod. They did an awesome job. Uh. And they like really hated each other. Yeah, I was watching one of those documentaries. I guess, Uh, Sean Michaels or no, Brett Hart he was about to go to the w c W in like the next eight months or something, and he felt that he got the short end of the stick, like I said, where he wasn't

champ enough. He wasn't champed long enough. Uh, And he had I guess different views, and it kind of you know, Brett Uh, Shawn Michaels, he was kind of like the young gun, you know, the younger guy that was flashy, and you know, I think they were talking about what were they saying? Sam, Like they just hated each other in internally and the other wrestlers found out, Well, I want to ask him about that, and like that's like a huge working relationship, you know, like they're they're not acting,

but they're performing in the ring. And then you know, usually after in the locker room. I think they kind of all just chill, drink some beers and they all have like a cool relationship. I think they actually really had some flames between them. It's like if we hated each other, Yeah, it would be hard, very it would be I mean they they have to be great together and you have to. There was that match Sean Michael's versus Hull Cogan, and I don't think he liked Haul Cogan.

So he's just over selling every hit. Yeah, that's like how you make a dude look dumb in in wrestling. You just are like you're getting hit and you're like ah, I mean that's how you just act like, oh my god, it hurts so much. No but that and then behind the scenes they talked about it on one of the research packets that they actually were kicking each other and like one of those uppercuts he really got them, damn and like the kick one of the Sweet Chin music's

he kicked him. It was like too much. And I guess they have a number system on how they they They tell each other like one through five they're good, five through eight they're not. I don't know if we're suposed to be talking about this because this is real. This is real, folks, This is real. Wrestling is so real. But they do have number systems to let each other know, like, hey, dude, we're going way too hard here. And I think they were just throwing out tens left and right and we're

not talking about your comments section, just tens everywhere. Oh and I supposed to do that. Yeah. Yeah. So this was the first time Sean Michaels took the belt. This was big. This was a big moment for him, you know. Yeah, he and I guess a lot of the guys, you know, he put it. He put his time in. Yeah, because he was thirty one, he was around for probably what

how many years Jack he was six seven years. Yeah, he was around for that while, and you know he had to pay his dues to finally get his shine at the match. I mean he turned pro in eighty four, eighty four, ninety six, so this is his twelfth year, so he was nineteen. He was a pro at nineteen, Yeah, he was. He dropped out of college, went right into wrestling, got under the training of Jose Lothario, and that was

another thing that was like a big trainer. They had like the whole uh making rocky kind of yeah attitude or look what do I say there? What do you mean? They had the old torment Yeah, something like that. Yeah, well they had like an old guy. There was some wrestlers that just came out with a hot chick, and then there were wrestlers who were like this old guy he made me, you know, so there was a different there was a different I mean I remember there was

one WCW character. I think it was Crispin wa was his ringside person. She was just called woman. Like that's how bad the writing was on w C They're like, what do we call her? They're like woman color woman, woman one. Yeah, geez, she's a woman. The nineties. Yeah, so misogynistic. It was rough. It was rough, but then you you know, sometimes you have the hot chick in your corner and then sometimes you just have to either way. It was cool to have a manager because that's the dude, dude,

what's his name, The Undertaker's guy, the Paul Bear. Yeah, that guy was awesome. Who was the guy with the mullet? He was the early one. He was the first one. Jimmy Hart yep, Jimmy Hart classic as the Paul Bear was like in my that voice, that high voice. He was great. Geez, let's go back to March thirty first in nineteen ninety six, on this exact day. Number one movie in America, The Bird Cage Classic Never Saw James, Yeah, Robin Williams and Nathan lay Hanka'saria. Who else is in that?

It's great, great comedy. I think did Mike Nichols make that movie? Yeah? All right, the Graduate Legend? Yeah yeah. The number one song in America was Because You Loved Me by Celine Dion. She was she was a monster in the nineties. Oh yeah, the Vegas Show. I think we've talked about her on the show before, have we? You were definitely gotta have one Celine Dion reference one time we had. Gene Hackman was also in Bird Cage. Oh yeah, big time love Gene Hackman Beast Beast for

the first time ever. The MLB opening day was in March. Why this is after the strike? I believe strike. Who were the what do they call him? When you when you cross the line? Those are scabs? Scabs? I wonder who the scab was. Let me do some looking on that the I want to pick them. Yeah, this was. I mean, this is a tough time for baseball, and then the steroid era kind of saved baseball. Yeah, and it was probably the best baseball's ever been. It was

pretty awesome nineties baseball. I mean, he's playoff baseball right now, and I'm excited. But you know, I don't know anyone anymore because you don't watch for one hundred and sixty two games. Well, Tatis, you know, Junior is trying to save baseball by taking steroids. Again, they throw him out as team's thriving without him. It's a bummer. It's a

bummer that guy can he can crush, you know. It's it's pretty crazy that, you know, all this hype for being like the seventh best home run hitter of all time, like they they're acting like this thing. Of course it's a New York record, and I can't believe this was getting with Judge getting national attention. Did you say, what do you say? Ninth best home runs seventh? I mean that's what I guess. Bond, Sosa and mcmguire the only one to have more. Will count them? I count those, Yeah,

count them. But I'm saying, you know, al record, I mean, it just it was a little little much. It was too much Yankees. This Boston hate. That's not Boston. Hey man. The Yankees are are the New York is doing good? Right now? We got the Jets four and one, we got the Giants or giants the Jets three and one are the Jets porn one? Giants are five in one right, four and two. Who knows when this comes out, but right now, wow, Akwon's looking like a fucking tank, looking

like a Are's get back to ninety six. Fargo was released in movie theaters. One of the all time greatest movies. I think one of the best American movies. Home Brothers are arguably the best of our time, and this is maybe their best movie. So classic, quite good police work. You got there, damn or no? Was that that something like that? Oh my god, the buzz Saw, the woodschip, I mean, holy shit, Yeah, I don't holy shit. Yeah,

the Browns become the Baltimore Ravens. I just always remember Belichick referencing this whole thing and how it went down. It was such a shit show. They literally moved in like the middle of the night, in the middle of the season. They tell everyone that they're gonna go to the Baltimore go to Baltimore, and I think they were like four and oh at the time, and then they end up having a losing record after that once the

distraction of the announcement was there. That's crazy. They were saying that when they were driving in like to work for practice, people were picketing, throwing shit at the car like it was their fault. Wow. They they were mad to lose the team. They were so mad to lose the team. And they were four and oh. They were a sexy pick to go to like the AFC championship

that year. They went to the playoffs a year before, and then this comes they fire Bill, they become the Ravens or Cleveland doesn't have a team for like ten years, which is that's crazy to me. That's a great sports town if you think about that, they really are. What was it? It was like how many years? Let me look real quick, three years regardless, regardless, it was too much. Cleveland needs a team, Okay, great fans Northeast Ohio. I

spent a lot of time there. They love those brownies. Yeah, you know, And I'm sorry that they lost to Bernie Coozar. That guy got tortured in the eighties. I don't think they loved him, No, but they still love the Browns regardless. That's the kid of the city was throwing glass bottles at Tim Couch. That guy didn't deserve that ship. Get him an offensive line. He's not getting protected by the line. Then he's getting not protected by the fans. No, Hey,

it's it's a that's a career killer. That's that's tough to be. They call that a career killer. If you're a player, you do not want to get drafted to Cleveland. Yeah, was that on your mind? No, not at all. I just wanted to play football. Actually, I think Detroit has that title. Yeah, I would say so. But as far as fans and their love for the game, they love, they love, great fans, great fans they love. And they never win. I mean there's in any sport. I mean

in Clevelands, I know. But that they needed that. They had like a fifty year drought. They needed that, right because the Indians came close in the ninth few times. Yeah, but it's good to see that, and I hope that, you know, the Browns turn it around. But let's uh, let's get to wrestling. In the nineties, yeah, all right, So I mean Hulk Hogan. I was never really a huge Hogan guy. He was great, he was a legend, but I was always more of a macho man. Randy Savage, dude,

that guy fucking ruled. Did you have the pillows? The wrestling pillows were like like the little guys I remember this, I had those. I had a whole Cogan and a Randy Savage. This was more of my brother's generation, like that earlier early nineties, late eighties kind of this. This was like the whole transition from that to the Attitude

era right of the nineties. So like I knew whul Cogan, I loved Randy Savage and the slim Gym commercials and the Ultimate Warrior coming out of the freaking tunnel sprinting into this ring. Like I love that. I didn't know it as much. This, this actual match that we're about to go over, the Iron Man match, was literally that transitional period from this time to like the stone Cold the Attitude era degeneration X So this was like a

huge in like the history of it. This was a huge, a huge game or I keep on wanting to say game. It is a game. It's games with names brother. Well, I'll say this too. Matches with games, yeah, matches with yeah whatever. I'll say this though, I think competition is good. And the WCW became really good around this time because they got Hogan, they got macho man, they got you know, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash. This is right after they got all that. You have to step it up when your

competition is that good. And I think that made the WWE really, you know, step it up. You got guys like Stone Cold, the rock Mankind all those like great characters on Taker, Kane Cain. Kane was Taker's brother. Remember they fought like I remember, I remember those matches too. Kane is like a mayor now is he. He's like a small town in Tennessee mayor. I mean these rest I mean you had Jesse the Ventia Jackson be a governor. Yeah right, I mean these guys are these guys are

are warriors, leader of men and women. Yeah, Kane is the mayor of Knox County, Tennessee. Right now. I heard that. Yeah, this was they needed a new superstar. They needed a new superstar. I guess you know, they were kind of struggling, you know, the w W f at the time was struggling to have a superstar of some kind of talent of I don't know, you know what it is. They weren't good. They were good in the ring, but you had guys like Lex Luger who were great in the

ring and stuff. But then on the mic, wrestling is not just about the ring. It's performance. Maybe it's it's combining sports and entertainment, like we were talking about with Macho Man, Lady Savage and the improv thing about the cream out of the shirt, like these guys like someone bet him. I heard you were saying Kyler yet him, I bet you can't do a promotional video with little creams like the ones you put in the coffee and

like and it did it. Creamed at the top kept on pulling them out like they needed someone like that, and I guess you know they felt it was Sean Michaels and it was when you look back on it was that next character that kind of helped revolutionize what the wrestling environment was going to become. Yeah, because I mean Macho Man was a great exam Like I was great on the mic, he was great in the ring. The rock another great example, you know, Stone Cold, you

need that to thrive. Chris Jericho, all those dudes. Uh so the attitude that was coming up. This was the new generation stars, Michael's Heart, Undertaker, guys with big, fresh personalities. They needed that freshness. Yeah, you know, this was Monday Night Raw they created that. Remember that Monday Night Raw was this ship. I used to get so fucking mad with the Cliffhangers. Oh yeah, I'll go to bed at like because it was an eight to nine or nine

to ten, nine to ten. I think it was eight eight to nine because we were young, so it may have been nine, but I remember going. I'd be like, no, I would look at the clock. I'm like, it's gonna end right here, no waw. The best is when when you would get like a happy ending that would flip like your guy one. But then people would just come out and start beating the shit out of him with a chair and You're like, come on, this was just this close. The Cliffhangers were insane. The attitude air was

just around the corner. Like we said, ninety seven after the Montreal screw job, and that was these guys that was hard and Michael. Yeah, so it was Yeah, this was a look into the future. Sure, this specific match, this is what jump started the attitude era. Yeah, that's when all the guys. I remember when Chris Jericho came, it was it was a d remember that weird Countdown y two J I met him a couple of times because I did a showing. They all these guys live

in Tampa, like Wrestling Headquarters. So I remember I did a gig side Splitters Great Club in Tampa and Jericho's in the crowd and his laughing is so he was fucking drinking and his laugh is so booming and noticeable that everyone's like I told a joke and he'd be like, oh, everyone's just looking at him. I'd be like, holy do I have to address that. Chris Jericho's here. And I was like, I'm not going to address it. I think that'd be weird, so I don't do it. But he

brought me a nice message after. And then when I did a sports show in Town in New York City on MSG, he did an episode and it was the weirdest episode we've ever done because we had a format and he was just like, nah, screw format, and he just took over and I was like, man, that worked. Was he good? On the mic. He was great. It's what he does. He's like these guys do he Jerreed goes another guy great on the mic and he's doing backflips.

He's doing the lion Tamer. He's got it all. He's one of those great He's like cut from this cloth of like Shawn Michael's Brett Hart type of wrestlers. Shawn michaels to be pretty cool. What were you doing in nineteen ninety six, Sam, You're ten years old. I was trying to rent stuff like this from the Blood. If we went to Blockbuster, it was like either an Adam

Sandler movie or or a wrestling movie. Because to me, it was like, you know, you're looking at the value and you're like, well, if I see a comedy, it's gonna be ninety minutes. These pay per views are like three hours, so I'm like, that's so much time. This is before TikTok and YouTube. I'm looking like how much time I can get lost on a TV screen? Yeah? I remember just baking my parents to get pay per

views to watch these these WrestleMania's. And you know, I used to hang out with my buddy Jeff bel Wamani and we would have to go to his house because he had the illegal box and so you could get it. Yeah, I don't know, ww he might get mad at me. We didn't give him that pay per view, but we used to go there watch it. We'd get beer or not beers. We were ten years old. You're getting fucked up. Yeah, we would get coach and slam them, I mean, and

then also, you know, it's pretty crazy ironic. I have a pretty good story all right about the attitude era. And this time I was like, probably later in this year, I was at my school, in elementary school, and we had to sit down for lunch. You sit down and then you have a first bell and then you guys can go out and play. So you had to eat, and there was old man, mister callous walking by. He gave me some lip because I was, like, I mean, I was a little little asshole, probably little kid, running

around trying to make trades for fucking lunchables. And he sat me down, yelled at me. He said, you can't be up yet, And as soon as he walked away, full suck it sign giving them suckets. Yeah, fuck you, mister callus, Little fucking ten year old me doesn't see right, doesn't see but a lady walking by, literally we had

a fence. This is terrible podcasting, but I had a fence if you can see, yeah, in a chain link and a lady walked by and saw me because all my boys were laughing and we were all just doing it, and she singled me out, called mister callus over, tells mister callis and he goes, you flip me off and brings me off. This get full suspended? I got. I gave you him a sucket sign. He wasn't even flipball. Who's sucking? Sigh? I love you begging the principle. I didn't say fuck you if I told him to suck

my pnus what the hell? And you know they're responsible for a lot of kids doing oh my well, I you know I got suspended. That was literally like your mom's grounding you, and you're like, mom, if you're not down with this, I got two words for you, suck it, you know, like now you're grounded an extra weight. My mom had my back though. My mom goes, you didn't even see it. Yeah, see he didn't do it. Did you do the did you do this one? Or did

you do the crow. I did a full jump spread, full jump spread, regular both like you know, when you're a kid, you would be going like a bunch yes, and he you know, I got caught ray ended. I had to shit at home. But that was my story. That's great, dude, me in ninety six when I was so young, Julian doing the sucket. I did a similar thing when I was in school. This was the pop the rise of Mick Foley Mankind and mister Soko and

you probably know where this is going. I came in a science class with a sock on my hand and this kid, I got him from behind. I socko him in the middle of class and the teacher was like, get out, get out. But everyone's cheering that I'm sockoing a dude, and he's like, oh oh stinky sock. Oh yeah, he freaked out. I got I got thrown out of class, but I did socco a kid. Did you get in trouble? Oh yeah, I got like thrown out and sent to the principal. But it was awesome. I socoed a dude.

Yeah that Like the crowd must have been going. They went wild. They were like, yeah, oh my god, anytime any rebellion went down, the whole collective group of the class would just go like, yeah, one for the kids. Well it was I was new in school too, so it was like it was a risk. I was like, if this goes south, I'm a para. But it worked out, and everyone's like, he's one of us. New to the school. You were to the new kid on campus and soco socko to kid. Yeah, I went for it. What what

what you were ten? I was probably like twelve. That's that's ballsy. I I I changed schools too, and when you're like the new kid in a new school, it's like you have to do something. I had to. I raced my fastest kid in the school, and that's how I got my my my standard. That's like, that's so like an eighties movie. I went. I looked at Leo Ortiz. I said, they used to do this base race thing, and he was a year older than me, but I was held back. So we were the same, you're fast

as hell. And we did the base race and we go around second and we collided with each other. We hit each other. First day of school there hit each other almost like low key kind of knocked out, get up and finish the race. One leo, I know you remember that, Uh, but that was what I had to do. You you go over here and socko someone. See that's a comic versus an athlete. That's true. Versus you showed

your skills. I just got thrown out of class. We that's skill right there, you mc mcfoley, shout out mcfoley. I did like mankind. Oh he was the best. He got, he got. He used to have some crazy like he was bleeding on ways. I remember remember remember the ladder matching the ladder match and he fell on the tax was at the tax I think that was the that was the undertake. The hell that was That was love. When they got the props, like the hell on the

cells stuff. I get so disappointed when they didn't. Let's talk. Let's talk about this one. First off, we got the harp. Great kid, the show stopper, Shawn Michael's thirty one years old at a San Antonio, Texas six one two twenty five. He's a high flyer. He's uh, he can. He can do the backflips, he could do the flying elbow. He did it all. His signature move was, of course, sweet chim music. You remember that the He's wind up for it by doing that shit. I love that. I tried

it this morning. I think I may have my hurt my hip flexer. Really, you tried to get up. That's why. Yeah, I that's why. I was like so impressed with the hit mobility. That's where that comment came from. I was like, Oh, we're doing Shawn Michael this morning. I was in the shower ball naked Berry did a double leg chim music. I was like, Oh, that hurt my knee. Maybe I'm not ready. Well, this was he outlasted D's on the Royal Rumble, which is how you got the match up

with the man. Oh my god. Royal Rumble was always fun. It was great. He teased retirement. Did with thirty well, because he was thirty one, he was in the league or he was in the you know the foundation or what is the federation for twelve years. They didn't get him a shot. So this was like his time, this was his time to shine. This was awesome. Yeah, in February he won. He won in your House six over. We shouldn't be saying no, we could say his name.

They wrestled his name, suffered a concussion though that's pretty relevant these days. Yeah, I'm sure someone nowadays will probably be spotting him say hey, you can't wrestle them, or you can't be a superstar. Right now, you got to go in the protocol to a February. He won in your house six over Owen Owen Hart. Yeah, great wrestler suffered a concussion. Yeah, at this point, he still didn't have the title, arguably never won the belt. At this point,

he's the greatest effort to never win. Yeah, he was. I think who is that in? Like football? Daniel Jones? Maybe, I don't know, what do you think, Dan Marino, Dan Marino Marino? That is Marin? Charles Barkley and basketball Charles Barkley. Well, Malone, you and stocked in that whole nineties missed out because the MJ. You know, there's a lot of guys who Chris Paul in today's NBA. Yeah, yeah, and he had his fair share of controversy. Did the playgirls spread respect?

I actually he hung on. I remember I remember what the kid Actually, I don't want to refer I can't reference him because I don't want his mom to know. We found her playgirls WHOA, but we found full playgirls. I'm like sitting here like it was literally this time in my life. I was it was probably like nineteen five, ninety five, six, maybe seven. We found my buddy's playgirl, mom's playgirls. It was like it was weird, Like I didn't realize they had low key kind of traumatizing really No,

it wasn't what it sounded. Oh, let his mom get some I thought those were predominantly bought by gay dudes because I remember the story that Burt Reynolds hung dong and so maybe it was his dad's Maybe it was his dad's dude. But the story was Burt Reynolds hung dong and playgirl thinking like all these chicks would be like whoa. And then it was just like he just became like a gay icon, little Bert right. Yeah, the

numbers say it is primarily bought by males. It's mostly a dude bought magazine it wow And to save you guys at Google search there at home, Shawn Michaels. Didn't show dong. Oh it didn't show the Championship girl too. Didn't he let me look into Eric Dickerson. He just I don't understand. He just hung he just hung butt. What did he hang? Yeah, you could. You could see both cheeks and then let's see some of these picks. The meat was covered by the big belt. So this

was post WrestleMania twelve. Uh, you got the belt laying on his side, belt covering. But then there is a backshop, so you can see the cheeks. Damn. Yeah, it would have been nice to see him in some ass chraps. Yeah. Would you ever do Playgirl? I did? I did? Uh? I did body issues for Yeah. No, you look great, you look great. I wouldn't do Playgirl though, No, no, just it's not as classy. I don't know is Playgirls round still? I don't even think so. I mean, he's

a huge name to be in Playgirl. There was Eric Dickerson. He did Playgirl? Yeah he did? He hang Dickerson. Let me take a look real quick if he I don't think he did? He did? I don't think he hanged on. What's the point of not but you're going to see it through the banana hammock? Really? Oh yeah you could. Well, let's get to Brett Hart aka Brett the Hitman Heart. At this point in his career, he was thirty nine, Calgary, Canada. Yeah, Canadian A. I just went to a wedding this past

weekend and there was a Canadian family. Those people are outrageous. They're like their whole country, well, no, just Canadian people in general. Like they're insanely nice. But those people know how to drink. They drank like they're low key drunks, but they're they're happy drunk so that they're never really drunk. Yeah. Back to Brett Hart signature move was a sharp shooter. My sister used to get that a bunch back. I used to give the sharpshooter all the time, classic break

your little back. Uh. Pink and white tights? Were you were? He made pink cool. Yeah, you didn't see a lot of tough dudes rocking pink at this point. I thought it was a it was a power move. It's a it's a secure man to rock pink. Yeah, he he. He was definitely like a tough guy and he was well respected. He wasn't like the whole attitude era, and that's, you know, kind of why they kicked him to the curb, I think. But toughness like no respect for the best.

There was, the best there is and the best there ever will be. Bret the hit Man. Heart got to show that guy some respect. Wish we had him on this episode too. Yeah, but you know, no, he wasn't ready for it, and he wasn't ready for it. The Heart versus Michael's rivalry before the Iron Man, The Heart Fed, the Heart Foundation, Heart and the Avil Anvil Anvil versus the Rockets Michaels and Marty, the Rockers, the Rockers, the Hard Foundation. It was beating me to it this episode. Geez,

the Heart Foundation was heard in the Anvil. Jimmy the Anvil right, and then the Rockers Michaels and Marty Jannetti. Uh nineteen nineteen eighty nine at MSG Oh wow, finished in a draw. Hate a draw ninety one. I know that was the Cliffhangers. I hated the draws. It makes me so mad as a kid. Nineteen ninety one in Tokyo, won by the Heart Federation Our Foundation first ever ladder match for the Intercontinent Intercontinental Championship. Heart was the holder,

having captured in nineteen ninety one. It was won by Heart the WWF Championship Survivor Series main event. Also Heart won it again. Yeah, so this was his time. This was the time. He was right for the picking. He was Sean Michaels probably thought so so. WrestleMania match. It's the super Bowl of WWA. This is the night, this is the biggest night. Uh, the Iron Man match. This was the first one ever sixty minutes. Who can get more pinfalls or submissions in sixty minutes? Uh? You know,

I think I could be thirty or sixty six sixty? Yeah, it's interesting they count the thirty ones. There were two thirty minute ones beforehand. Brett Hart was in both of those. Oh wow, this is a sixty minute one. This is the first sixth This was the first sixty in a match. This was insane, which you gotta think, that's got to be so hard for these guys, like to think when you're tired, and like any mistake with these superstars, like you could break something neck or arm or like you

know what I mean. Then stone Cold breaking neck in one of the matches. I think he didn't he'd get the classic, the classic neck brace with the Bud stone Cold. Yeah, things we remembered. I remember it started slow, but they had they had to start it slow. You know, you got to you gotta feel out the match if you're doing a three hour porno, they're better be at least thirty minutes a dialogue. You can't just go right into

full penetration. You got to work up to it. And that's why they you know, you got to start with the four places. Well, they were doing a bunch of headlocks and flips and they were showing off. Look, people were walking out, but they couldn't handle the greatness the technicality of these two. They were technicians, and if you watch it, it's like dancing. Yeah, you know, a lot

of this is like dancing. And to see the fluidity of how each of every move they did to each other looked like, I mean, it was insane execution for sure. You know things we may have forgotten. Some fans billing yeah, because of the lack of action at the start. I think that's I think that's spoiled fans. They don't, you know, what are we doing? These guys are about to go out there and kick each other's asses for an hour? Like we already went into this. Can you imagine maybe

they didn't understand what it was. Maybe they understand that it was because can you imagine leaving and then you left one of the great matches in wrestling history. It's like those Miami fans who would leave early in the finals with the heat, and then the heat won and they tried to get back in and they wouldn't let them back in. They were like, sorry, dude, maybe they had you know, maybe their kids had school early the

next day, kind of like missed. You know, my buddy Mark, he had the kids had school, left the Super Bowl a little early that we came back in one twenty eight to three. You know, So that's that's the that's the consequence of leaving when your kids have school the next days. You know, Yeah, you may miss You can miss one day though a time story, though classic for a lifetime story. You're allowed to miss school. I'm not a dad here, Yeah, I'm just saying, these are the

people that may have left. Yeah, people that may have left the arena or any competition, and you know, they it's like you kept saying in that twenty eight to three game, it's going to be a hell of a story. It's going to be all these people lost their story if they left. If they left, shame on them, shame. So let's uh and the things we also remember, Oh

Gorilla mon Soon, remember that, dude. No, he instructed Earl Hebner, the referee, to continue the match under sudden death rules as Heart began to leave with the title because it went to overtime. So yeah, this is an hour long match, and they kept it going. But by the way, he was off the he was off the the ring yet already walking in. Yeah, they said no, no, no, no is Gorilla mon Soon, the greatest name in wrestling history. You can't be a lawyer with that name. I'll be

your attorney. I'm Guerrilla Monson. Like that, you're you're you're running wrestling Gorilla Monson. So there must be a winner. I love that. That's you know, have to Even in the NFL you could tie, not in the playoffs, though not at WrestleMania. Yeah, you can not in the playoffs. You cannot tie. And they had the same time, the same overtime rules. Here they get back in the ring.

I still don't understand how because if you remember, I believe Brett Hart had him in the sharpshooter for like thirty seconds and no one ever not tapped out of a sharp shooter and then the match ended. They call it a draw. Whatever to have the ability with Sean Michaels to get out of the sharp shooter. He's dead tired, give him the sweet chin music and get the title. They put him over because when you don't tap out of the great guy's great move your first time ever,

you're now the dude. You're the guy now he is. So for the Gaming Corner presented by wind Bet, here's what I'm thinking we do. Sean Michael sings his own theme song. We all know the iconic theme song. I'm just a bullet. I'm not your boy toy, I'm sexy boy. So you you can how many times can you say sexy boy? I think you can hit five? Easy? Five? Well, you can hit five because here's why. He's because you're able to double up on this one, because if you do the chorus too, I'm just I'm just what is

how's it go? I'm just a sexy boy, sexy boy, I'm not your boy toy. Okay, so should we count boy toy too? Just sexy boy boy? All right? All right? I think you can we hit so for five, four and a half, four and a half. You can easily do this, yeah, four and a half. Sexy boy Gaming corner presented by win Bet. What is it? So we're gonna go four and a half over under? I think that's the boy toy. I think you could hit it easily.

We'll see. It's just if. Sometimes I get into the uh, I get into the conversation when we're talking to these people, and then I get like, all right, we got the shot claw, how long do we have them? Then you fully forget the prop bet? Yeah, well over mind you. I'll even throw out a sexy boy if I don't see you. Is it a joint sexy boy? Count? Should I jump into four and a half? So then let's do six point five, six and seven. We're both doing it. We got a hit. If it's both of us easy

and we can hit seven, that's tough. I'm just gonna call him sexy boy. I'm gonna start off. What if it opens? If I call you sexy boy and he's gonna say no, and we're like, well there it goes that that wasn't nothing't worth. Don't ask for consent. I'm sexy boy. You just have to go for sexy boy. There will be no Consent's just go for it. I wonder what kind of guy's gonna be like me too. I'm curious. Is he cool? I haven't. Yeah, this is I've met some wrestlers. Who is the coolest ones that

you've met? I used to hang out with Who's Gronks boy Mojo? Oh yeah, he's great. Yeah, I used to go This was before he was like in the actual league or whatever with the WWE. He's with the WWE. No, I think he should be. We should have that. But Mojo, we used to go out in Miami together. These guys are maniacs. That's I don't get it because they I want to ask Sean about how he parties, because these dudes would be on the road the whole year, and it's not like they're just on the road. No, they're

fucking working out. Think about how hard. I wonder what their weekly regimen was. Yeah, I want to know. I want to know that. There's so much to know anyway, Like do they have a couple of days part like like scheduled out? All right, I'm going to party for him here this day to this day so I can recover by match weekend or I don't know. You know, we'll find out in a minute. We're about to be joined with the Heartbreak Kid himself, the Sexy Boy. That

one doesn't count, Sewn Michael. We're gonna introduce you here, one of the greatest ever do it, an icon, a living legend, the Heartbreak Kid, harp A sexy Boy, four time WW World Champion, two time Hall of Fame inductee, one solo one from d X, two time Woral Rumble winner, and the current booker at WW Next. Seawn Michaels, thanks for joining us. Thank you very much. Yeah, I know I appreciate that. And look when you guys say thirty five and look it's code, it's code for old. But

I've got but I've come to appreciate it. I really have. You know, looking back, I'm very honored to h I don't know, you've had so many people kind of grow up with you, you know what I mean. Is a pretty cool thing when you get to that point later in life where you can appreciate that, and that is exactly where I'm at now. So thank you guys very much. Can you just kind of start this off by telling us what your life was like in nineteen ninety six going into this. You were thirty one years old, you

were paying your dues, for so long. This is when you first got your your belt, Like, this was like probably what you've been working for for so long, but you also rock star. So what was life like in nineteen ninety six, Well, I have to say so, in nineteen ninety six it was as many people know that the the life of Shaw and Michael's got pretty dark at one time. But in ninety six, again building up to this moment, it was it was it was feeling like you're going to be acknowledged by you know, the

company and the industry as being the guy. I mean, that's something that the ww Championship I think sort of symbolizes in the careers of any guy that gets to hold that title, is you know, the industry, the company acknowledging you, at least for that moment in time, as being certainly one of, if not the best in you know,

in your field. And so that's honestly the that's the I think the most satisfying thing for any uh, you know, athlete, any talent that comes through the w W when you get recognized with a a championship, and certainly the World Championship, it's it's just that it's sort of a pat On the back of the acknowledgment that you know that you've made it that you you know, you're being honored by your company and your peers as being the guy that they feel like can carry the company. So on one hand,

it's a huge obviously, uh, you know, opportunity. It's obviously a pretty heavy burden as well, but clearly it's everything as you said, Julie, that that that you work for and it is it's it's culminating obviously at WrestleMania is ideal. So that's one of those things that again not everybody has it happened at WrestleMania. So for me to have it happen at WrestleMania and then with the World Championship,

it was a lot of worlds coming together. That was, you know, unbelievably satisfying and you know, felt pretty decent at the time. Man, you're on the road at this point, I mean what almost a whole year, every almost every week, right, I mean that yeah, oh yeah, you're you're on the road two hundred and fifty plus days a year. That's I mean that's a lot. I'm a road comic and that my body hurts from traveling. You guys you land, you work out, you train, I mean, is there time

to party? Well, look, we made time for that, but by all means yeah, there's certainly. The one thing is is that there was always after the show and so and clearly at this point in my career, I was least good about waiting until after the show. I would get to a point to where, you know, it was any any time of day if I if I felt like it, But no, it's certainly it is. Look, it was, uh, you know you mentioned it earlier kind of it was

a kind of a rock star lifestyle. It was. It could be a lot of fun and you could be obviously the life of the party, a pretty popular guy. It was not a bad gig. Shall we say, Now, what's a weekly routine? So you had at that point raw was coming on, so you had Mondays and you guys would do you guys would be traveling all week. How did you get your training in? And like as an athlete, as a football player, we had to get four workouts in each week before the week and you

had to do it on your own. Did you have everything slotted Like? All right, I had my train time here, I had my party time here, I had, you know, my preparation time here. How was a weekly schedule for you guys? You travel on this day because you know, as athletes, we're all creatures a habit, especially you know you guys are you guys? I mean watching this stuff, you guys taking so much beaten? How did you recover? Like?

What was that weekly schedule? Like, well, so the days off, so we do we got to the schedule where we're doing wrong on Monday. But Monday doing raw would be the last event, so you'd go home Tuesday morning. You'd have the rest of the the day. Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday you'd be at home if you get if you didn't have other appearances or something of that nature, that was your rest time. That was obviously you know you're

still training excuse me in the afternoon. But Friday, you fly out in the morning, You get to the town, you find a gold gym or you find a gym somewhere. You go, train, come back, you eat, you go to the show. You have the show that night, you're done, ten, ten thirty, go back to the hotel, you know, hang out, have fun for a little while. Then you get on a plane the next morning and do the same thing.

You fly to the town, you get there, you find a gym, you train, you know, wash rints and repeat, geez, and you do that throughout the week. I can't imagine you're getting any sleep at this time too, because you're wired from the match. You get back to the hotel. You can't just sleep. No. Look, I can really notice. It's so crazy because now if I'm on the road and now like i'm you know, I go to bed at nine o'clock except for the nights that we have you know that we have a television that we have

to work late. But yeah, to your point, Look, you're done at the building at ten or ten thirty and you are ready, you're ready to go. So but it's amazing, you know, young, you know, youth will break through, you know, break down a lot of barriers. You know, you could live on four or five hours sleep. But even again, if you you know, you're in bed by two three in the morning, you know what I mean, depending on how long the flight is, you get a couple hours

that night. You sleep on the flight, you know what I mean. Uh, you get up and you do the same thing. But you youth is a is an amazing thing. It's it's crazy how much your body and look also what your body gets used to. Yeah, I'll say that it's it's you know, you you understand and again, you know, Julian, I'm sure you understand. You know. You get to where your body's as to being through a physical endeavor on a regular basis, and as long as you keep doing it,

it's sort of that callousness that it keeps up. It's some minute you stop if you ask me, and then you try to get back into it is the hard part. The best way to stay in shape is never get out. That was always the thing, absolutely, you know, because it was always those fucking four weeks of when you get out of shape after a season, you go party with the boys and then you're so out of shape by the time you're like, I'm never getting out of shape again.

You're throwing up. But I'm fascinated with you. You went to you would find a gym in the towns you're in, so like, now that I'm retired, I go do this gym life too, where you go to find an equinox to get a workout in and there's like a I never like it because you always have people sizing you up, especially they find out who you are. I can only imagine if you guys walked in all rocked up over there on the one fifties doing some presses like did

people ever give you guys any shit in those gyms? Well, so, look, good fortune for me is I'm going into the gym. I'm going in there with Nash, who's seven three hundred pounds. I'm going into the Scott Hall six eight two eighty five, you know, Hunter, you know, six four two fifteen. So, and look, everybody knows you. And for the most part, a lot of the times it was it was a number of us, you know what I mean. So it's kind of like a crew of guys going in there,

and it doesn't take long, you know. I think for the most part, everybody was pretty cool with the fact that we were there, you know what I mean. That was obviously good for their business to have us there. We had, you know, at that time, there were mostly golds gyms, a lot of places. They were always really

good to us. But for the most part, look, even if you had some people that kind of had a you know, sticking her ass part my language you know about you you know, you'd pay the five bucks or the ten bucks to get to work out in uh, you know, pay for and whatnot. You know, just whatever it took to get it done. You talk about the tanning a hairy jew. I appreciate the hairy chest representation. You were the only dude with with chest hair, and

Julian's brought this up. You could have looked more ripped if you shaved your chest, but you chose not to. Yeah, well, so look, I've never shaved my legs my chest. I think, goodness, my wife does my back now? Like, yeah, that was look, yeah, I don't know. So it was always I don't know, that was just one of those things. I was never a bodybuilder. I gotta be honest. The best shape I was in I was really fortunate, I guess to get that way. Like I said, it was just training and

the guys I hung around. I never knew that much about diet and training. I just hung out with the guys, you know, I ate the same thing they ate. I you know, train around, you know, the same time and with them. Honestly, it wasn't I can remember getting one time really big and heavy and uh, you know, Kevin Nash and Scott, you know, used to looking at you like, hey, Sean,

you know, like we're to eighty two ninety. You can't match us meal for meal, beer for beer, you know what I mean, Like you're too you know, you're two fifteen, you know what I mean. You can't you know? And I'm like, I don't know, It's like you can't. You can't eat that much, can't, you know? And I was like, I, you know, because I can eat. I'm a repressed fat kid living inside of me that I tried to you know that I've had to keep slim and relatively in

decent shape over the years. But I honestly did, you know, never really knew that much about it. I wasn't as you know, uh as bright in the gym as the other guys were. It was. I was never a gym Yeah, I mean it was still early too. I mean the information age of you know, training and diet and recovery. I mean, no one really did it even in our sport back at I mean probably in the nineties. They it was starting to transform once you hit that, you know,

like the two thousands, mid two thousands, twenty tens. But I can only imagine, yeah, think about the old diet complex that used to talk about, you know, with the carbs and this and all that. I mean, hell, that stuff's all wrong. Now, yeah you didn't have Yeah, you just didn't have all the science behind it, you know what I mean. Respectfully, you're going by whatever muscle and

fitness thet yeah, you know what I mean. And you know, and they're talking about guys that are doing the Olympia and obviously probably you know, having enhancement help here and there. You know what I mean. So you need about whatever you want. I got to ask you because first off, sweets and music. One of the most iconic finishers ever, the flying elbow beforehand the stomp. Everyone knows that. Comics. We shot on each other for each other's acts. We

make fun of each other's jokes. Did you your cruise, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash? Would they ever make fun of your moves? Would you guys ball bust over that stuff? Well so, yeah, well we used to bust each other balls over all sorts of stuff. You know, only stuff from an inn ring standpoint, was I don't know stuff that we would you know, we see that we you know, would tell one another like dude, don't do that again, you know what I mean. That's like, that's brutal, that sucks.

You know. I always tell a story about uh, you know, Kevin Nash, big old, huge guy, and I thought it was cool that he could leap frog, you know what I mean. And so to watch this big dude leap frog, and I had him doing it in a couple of matches. And then one time, you know, we're driving down the road and Scott Hall's in the backseat and he's like, hey, let me ask you a question. And Kevin and I are up brought me and we're like, all right, what he is? How come the biggest guy in the company

avoids contact? And we sat there and thought about it. I was like, hey, you're right, I said, Kevin, don't ever leap frog again, you know what I mean. So I don't know, yeah, We're just there were just times that you know, we would we would call it monitor time where on TV days, you know, you'd sit there and you'd watch guys matches and you just rip them the shreds, you know what I mean, just you know it, you know, pick apart little things that you know they

saw wrong and stuff like that. So we did that. We did that a bunch with one another. But uh, you know, it's like anything. It was like, you know, a locker room full of athletes. So there was you know a fair amount of ribbon and and mess around going on behind the see. Hell yeah, I mean that's crazy. Now. We all know the famous song Sexy Boy, and I don't know if did you? Did you write that song? No,

Jimmy Hart, Yes, So I ended up singing. Jimmy Hart wrote it and originally sensational shering sung it, and then Jimmy Hart came to me one dime. He's like, hey, maybe look we're thinking we got this great idea, you know, maybe you sing your song. And I was and I said, I said, Jimmy Gott, I can't. I can't carry it out. My voice is deep. I said, I can't sing it all. I says, don't you worry. We'll get the studio. You know, We've got all the stuff that we can do. We

can fix it. And I was like, I was like, right, I mean, I'll give it a try. But yeah, so I mean, look, I can't. I can't carry a note

to save my life. But they somehow, you know, they do all that cool stuff they do with music, and and look, I never when I was going through this process of that song and my character and everything else, you know, in your in your in the theater of your mind, you're picturing yourself being maybe a bit more you know, I don't know, like madly and a bit more like I figured it would be like, I don't know, it'd be more kind of a rougher, tougher as kicking

type guy. And but then all of a sudden, I turned into this I don't know, this dude wearing ass list chaps and shaking my ass and dancing and half strip teasing and stuff like that. But the more I did it, the more natural, the more just the better it felt, and I could just really, I don't know, unleash and just sort of become whatever it is I wanted. But I never imagined it that way. And same with the music. It just got to where it ended up just being perfect for me. But it wasn't. It was

not my idea by any stretch. It was just something that sort of happened and that I morphed into with the music and with the gear, and the more I went out there, the more I went out there, was Sherry. The more comfortable I got with it, and it just became I don't know, to where me and the character were, you know, damn identical. That's the best when it comes out. I mean authenticity, you know, especially I've been working with an acting coach. You know, it's not about right or wrong.

It's about truth, truth and beliefs or truth beliefs and I don't know, something like that. But uh, he's not paying attention, not paying attention. Sorry, all right, but let's get into the match. Iron Man match WrestleMania twelve. What the hell are you thinking when they pitch you a sixty minute match? Now, this has got to be that.

I mean, that's got to be crazy. Well, so, look, on one hands, I know that they this was something that you know, one of the guys in our company, Pat Patterson, he always wanted, you know, to have an iron Man match. He felt that Brett and I were the two guys that could do it. Brett and I felt like we were the two guys that could do it.

But at that time in the business, you know, having an hour match on a pay per view is a huge ask, you know what I mean, can you keep them interested for an out, you know, can you build this match in a way that's you know, I don't know if the viewer doesn't get you know, board stiffed in the process. So that was that was honestly the biggest hurdle for this match is you know, continuing to make it exciting and continue to build, you know, till

the very end. And of course one of the ways you can do that is by having a number of falls in the match, So you can have sort of a number of smaller matches, you know what I mean, and have a guy win three falls to two falls. But you know, Brett and I really wanted to just

have it come down to one fall. And certainly at that time, you know, there's always been you know, from from the old school guys, there was always this kind of I don't know, this badge of honor that you wore if you could go out there and do an hour you know what I mean, I did an hour with you know, you you would hear stories growing up

in the business from guys like Flair, Harley, Ray's, Jack Briscoe. Yeah, I remember in seventy three, you know, me and Funk we did an hour straight in Saint Louis Place was sold out to the rafters. Should have seen it, you know, you know what I mean, your kids today don't know. You know what we went through going an hour, you know, So it was it was one of those things that you wanted to be able to say. In nineteen ninety six. Yeah, you know, there was that time WrestleMania twelve, Hart and

I went for an hour sold out Anaheim Pond. You know, just no walk in the Park boys, you know. So you know, it was one of those things. And I don't know it was it was a badge of honor. It's just something that not many people could say they did that's bad. And so you know, I don't know that was a big moment for us. But honestly, that was the most intimidating thing, was going an hour and making it exciting. Oh oh, I mean was it weird because you and Brett are kind of the stars of

the show. I mean, I mean, this is you're coming up. Brett has been there, I guess a little longer than you he thirty nine or thirty one. Was it hard being these two, you know, stars when you didn't get along well. So at that time, Brett and I were getting along pretty well. I mean, so this that was that was the screw job in Montreal, A lot of that's when they went down exactly. That was long before

all of that kind of stuff. So this was honestly, you know, very you know, pretty dark, you know, amicable time for Brett and I. So it was more about, honestly, were you close to this going out there and having the hell of a match at this time? Would you say you and Brett were close? Yeah, look, I think so. I mean we were certainly you know, far and away, way better than we were later on down the line.

We were certainly on the same page. It was this was the place where you know, Brett had you know, probably had the title for a year or two, but he had always you know, he'd expressed it once that you know that he felt like I would be the next guy you know what I mean, that that would be taking that championship. And so as far as all of that was concerned from a professional standpoint, I think

we were we were pretty good. You know, there's always clearly there's always a little uncomfortableness with the guy who's losing the title to a guy that's gaining it because it's sometimes more often than not, it means a transition from a company standpoint, from going of one way of

doing things to another. And so, you know, I certainly think that when you go from a title from Brett to me, just from going to Brett in the first place was more of an acknowledgement that we were getting into more of the guys that could wrestle for long periods of time, that could put on fantastic matches, as opposed to the champions of the past, like a Hogan.

You know, that was more just a I don't know, he was a huge selling point, but it wasn't you know, a thirty minute match that he was selling you on. It was a ten or fifteen minute match that he was selling you on, but it was hul Coke. Did you respect someone like Brett way more than a Hulk? Well, look at that time, you certainly do, because you're into

that version of wrestling, you know what I mean. I think over time, I've really come to understand and appreciate what it is to draw money period, you know what I mean, And to understand that you don't this business doesn't get where it's at without guys like hul Cogan, you know what I mean, without guys like Steve Austin the Rock, you know what I mean, all those guys were fantastic. You know, well look and look, I think there's me and there's Brett. I think there's a number

of us. But look, that was a time, I will say, admittedly where we felt that it was more about work rate, as we would call it, than it was just being a big name. Well, you guys were wrestlers, wrestlers, I think you Brett Flair, guys like that. And then there's guys who are kind of like big ticket guys who aren't in ring as gifted as guys like the three of you. You know, yeah, and I think that's a

fair statement. And you know, again, when you're younger, like I said, you sort of you're proud of that, and of course you want that to be, you know, the flavor of the day. I mean, this was pretty much the gateway to the attitude era because he was the old school boxer, I mean, old school superstar. You were kind of that new young punk guy, you know, kind

of cocky, that was like your swag about it. So this almost foreshadowed going into like pretty much our generation of what we used to watch, because that was still like I felt that Brett Hart was still like part of the little He was more of the old school and you were more a news school going into this fight. Would you agree with that or no? Well, yeah, well so certainly, well yeah, well certainly Brett was come from

a more traditional purist background than I was. And look, part of the idea that got me turned into a

good guy was that was because of my bad guy persona. Yeah, it was because of the cockiness and the brashnurs Now when I went to being a good guy winning the championship, they wanted me to be a different kind of good guy, which obviously history would tell us that that wasn't the right move, you know what I mean that people preferred the Shawn Michaels with attitude and arrogance and brashness and cockiness. But you know that was again that was still us

trying to get out of that traditional purest style. So in some ways it was a bit of a transition, yes, but from a company standpoint, Vince still felt like the good guys should be a bit more wholesome as opposed to a good guy with an attitude, which wouldn't come

to pass until, you know, a couple of years later. Yeah, well, so, I mean, look, I think my bad guy aspects did I mean, I think, you know, trying to put me in that box of being a good guy's good guy was a little difficult, especially at that time in my life, because you know that and the real guy, we're we're not wholesome, shall we say? Yeah, is it? It's got to be more fun being the bad guy, though, it's

got to be more fun getting booze. It's well, look that I don't know anybody that doesn't enjoy being a bad guy better than you know, yeah, because it's just so much You're so much more freedom. Yeah, you know what I mean. I always loved everyone always asked me, you know, do you love playing at Foxborough or do you like I love playing on the road. You go play it, you know, New York and these and these fans are throwing dildos on the field and ship like

that's the kind of ship I used to love. And it's quieting them down, and I would embrace my inner fucking superstar wrestler mentality, and I literally they put myself in a mindset like I'm a fucking I'm a villain. It's it's respect. I mean, I remember I was doing a show in Buffalo and I mentioned Julian's name and they all started booing, and I was like, that's respect. That's because they respect like it takes. It takes you

from a performance standpoint, I think, to another level. I mean, Gil, I mean, look, you guys, everywhere you went, you guys were you know, after a while, you guys were hated everywhere. We were like this someone that had coming into town. Everyone hated it, you know what I mean. Yeah, Well,

and that's because of that success. But that's that's what I don't know, certainly for me, I know, that's what almost pushed me to even be better and greater each time, because again, the more they wanted you to fail, the more you upped your game. And so yeah, I mean one just feeds the other. And I don't think people understand it. The more they do that, the better it makes you and the harder you are to be. Proving people wrong is always fun. But let's get let's get

into the match. Beginning of the match starts and everyone says it's kind of slow, but you know, everyone says it started slow. I'm sitting here, these guys are about to wrestle for fucking sixty minutes. Like maybe they're like like, let's feel, let's feel, let's feel each other out. Like how did you how did that beginning? Like was that the plan? Like, all right, we're gonna build this thing up. And I heard you guys, only you designed this twenty

minutes before the match? What you guys were gonna say? We well, no, so we we knew we okay, so we knew we were in the hour. But I know, like a week or two before, I know, Brett sort of,

you know, came to me. He said, like, hey, how about we do this in like, you know, you think of the first thirty and I'll give some thought to the last thirty, and then you know, like a day before we'll sort of come together and see where we're at, you know, and and of course you know you also you know, we also talked about like, oh my goodness, we're out there for an hour. We can probably do

darn near sort of every move under the sun. You know, think about stuff you haven't done in quite a while. I mean, let's really just think about what we can do to open up sort of playbooks, so to speak. And so that's honestly what we did kind of separately. But then I think a day or two before we just sort of came together and you know, you kind of prepare notes or show you know, show each other's notes.

But again, back then you just can't. Really. That's the one upside of going an hour is that there is no rush, you know what I mean, You're not having to race against timeques and stuff like that, and you can sort of go out there and get a feel for what it is you want to do and where

you're going. So that's honestly what we did. We had a couple sort of what we call signposts in the road, you know, I mean, certain places at the match where you want to go like, Okay, I feel like this is where we ought to be at about twenty, this is where we need to be about thirty, you know what I mean, and the forty five and then you know, obviously those last five you really want to make sure

you nail down and button down. But look, it's just a whole different way of trying to, I guess have a match, you know, I mean, it's just unlike anything you've done before, because it's you know, it's stuff, stuff you haven't done before, so you got to go about it differently. But yeah, I mean, of course you got to start off. Look, I would argue, you know what I mean, and I'll say this, Look, you know what time in history does I mean people like starts out slow?

And well that's because now you know what's going in an hour. You know what I mean. You've been told and heard that it starts slow, so you know it's it's exactly now what everything you hear that it is. But I think at the time, you know what I mean, when you're go in with the unknowns of not knowing how many falls we're going to do, how many falls are coming, because it is a marathon matter where you

know you can add up falls. So clearly it builds slow, but it starts slow, but you don't know where it's going. And the thing is you can't ever you can't ever

recreate the first you know what I mean? And again you know very well a play that you know again dazzled them, you know again in nineteen ninety seven, you know what I mean, or two thousand and three, you know, seeing it on a number of you know, number of highlight reels and then you know, calling it again, you know in two thousand and twenty two, it's not quite the same, you know what I mean. But the first time it was very different. It was innovative and it worked.

And look, that's one of the that's one of the minds that you have to go into watching this match. And I don't think a lot of people have the ability to do that now so many years, you know, distant from it. This was like the first time. I remember, we're like fifteen minutes were fought outside the ring, and I would say the momentum and when I was like, oh my god, what the fuck is when you kicked

the timekeeper Tony Schimmel. So yeah, now that was that in the was that in the process of like, all right, I'm gonna kick this dude right in the face, you move your head or what? Or did that just happen because it didn't look that dude took took that boot to the face at that I'm telling you. Wasn't he stretched out? Yes, yeah, yeah he was, and it was it was, you know, pretty good in there, but you know, very very honored decided. I don't you know, I didn't

injure anybody. But no, that was something he did. He was stretchered off. Kay, he was fucking stretchered off. Well, different difference between hurt, didn't say I didn't hurt him, hurt and injured injury exactly football guys to coach him. Look at you, Hey you heard are you injured? Coach? I'm hurt? All right, we'll see you get back in right, hurt, you can survive and get back in there. You keep going,

that's exactly right. I'm sorry. No, I'm just going to say that was something that somebody had suggested that we thought was freaking fantastic. But no, that is not anything. Again, this was a time in our business. You didn't go over stuff. You didn't you were a prop. You don't

get out there, you don't practice. This is one of those things that you go like, Okay, this is what's gonna happen, all right, and you go out there and you make it happen, and you trust that everybody's going to be there and do what they have to do. And of course being out there with a guy like Brett, that was absolutely no problem. I knew he was going to get out of the way. It's just you know, it was just a matter of for you how I

ended up kicking Tony. I mean you talk about Brett just making the right decisions, and like you improvise so much with Brett because you can. I mean, there's so much that can happen there. But uh, you've been in some epic matches going up to this, I mean the Ladder match Rais or Ramone, Like, was there something about Brett in the ring where you're like, oh shit, this is like this was there a point in this match where you're like this is special? Well, because he was

always technically like one of the best. Yeah, Like you could always tell, like if you watch your guys' match, like you could always tell, as you know, these guys are executing their fucking shit right, and everything looks extremely like it's very painful, it's hurts. I mean, everything was smooth, the transition from each guy, Like the athleticism wise, the actually you know, the wrestling, it was insane. Like, so look,

because he is unbelievably precise in all of that. And and I will say being in there with a guy like him makes you better, you know what I mean, in that kind of stuff where you where again, I feel like I had all the flash, the dazzle. I think I was good wrestling, But I I've always said, you know, we're talking about you know, I know there. I got asked on an interview once like, who's a

better wrestler? You were Brett Hart and I just and I you know, for the first time it dawned on me like, oh, better wrestler, Brett, for sure, Brett better, you know, better performer, showman, performer me. But there's a difference. But Brett was so precise and so good and everything he did that I felt like it made me better and more attentive to all of those things, to the transitions, to the working of the holes. And that's one of the things that I always I always enjoyed about him

because he just always made people better. To answer your question is yes, you know, yeah, you feel pressure because look, nobody has a bad match for Brett Hart. Thankfully at that time, you know, nobody was having bad matches with me. So between the two of them, we understood, you know, the pressure and the bar at which the two of us had set, and that's where it all comes down to. You have to deliver on that bar and that's a pressure and a burden both of you are carrying in

that match. But you know, obviously you know your rise to that and that's what makes you better. Yeah, and then the end of the fight, legendary finish. I don't think anyone's ever not tapped in the sharpshooter. He gets you in there, hold it for thirty two seconds. We think it's a draw. I'm like ten years old, Like, what the fuck? It's a draws resume in no way Brett Hart leaves the arena or leaves the ring. They

call him back in. You have to do it. You're dazed and confused and get the sweet chim music like the ending was the ending was gnarly. Yeah, I mean this is this is an epic match. I mean is this Where does this rank all time for you as a Shawn Michael's match, and where does this rank all time for you is a WrestleMania match. So it's it's it's extremely special and here the top obviously in both categories there because you know it's it's WrestleMania, it's with Brett,

it's an hour, and it's for the championship. Those are worlds that believe it or not. Those don't always come along, you know. I mean a lot of guys win world titles, but they're not all at WrestleMania. They're not in the main effect, you know, they're not in a first time, ever done match, you know what I mean. So when all those worlds come together, it's hard for it not to be special. And I think that's it's it's because

it's what it is in all those categories. It has its own place, and it sits there in specialness, you know what I mean that, I think it lives on its own. Look, there are times that you know, again, people have been critical about the match, you know, they and of course everything you go back and you look at and you go like, well, yeah, I know I might have changed this, might have changed that. That's just the I don't know. I think that's just the professional

in all of us. You know that. I don't know that I've ever had a match that I go back and I look at and I go like, well, I could have done this better, I could have done that better. But I think I don't know. I think everybody does that because they're you know, their their own worst critics. But you know, I look back on so much of my career I'm proud of. I don't I got to do a lot of really cool stuff that I look back on other guys' careers and they didn't have as

many of those cool moments as I did. That is certainly one of them. Uh, and I'm honored to I don't know again, the fact that you get to have a whole show where you talk about it, lets you know how you know, lets you know how cool that matches and how how you know reigns in the in the hearts of other people that watched it. I mean, you guys, you guys are the main event for an hour in a WrestleMania like that's that's a token of how good you guys were because you're taking time from

other people. I mean, that's that's when you guys were the stars of the of the world at that time. You both yet well it's it's it's one half or one third of them, you know, of an entire paper, you know what I mean? Just for you guys, where do you you know what I mean? And that was huge and unheard of at the time. Where do you rank? I mean, who's your number one wrestler? Is Flair? Your guy. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'll just always you know, I'll always

lean to Rick for sure. What Yeah, because you know, just because he's the one that made this job look like it was the coolest job in the world, you know what I mean. I just I knew that I wanted to do it, but then he just sort of encapsulated everything that you imagined the job would be and could be. And so, uh yeah, I'll always I think I'll always lean to Rick as being my guy. Look right behind that false Tully Blanchard and Wahu mc daniels, because those are the two guys I started out with

in Texas. But uh, you know, I think when everything said and done, it comes down to Rick. Wow, how do you feel about being the one that ended his career again honored because of everything that you know, I don't know it meant to him and to me to have that, you know again, that was that was the fifteen year old kid in me going out there with the guy that you know, I just admired for so long and having the opportunity to take him, I think to a moment and something in his career that he'll

remember forever. That's where again, I don't know, I guess, Julie, don't you know when you guys share a Super Bowl moment or a I don't know, a pass and a reception and a play that you know, people will never forget in our little world. I guess that's how it is for us, you know what I mean, when you're able to do something with someone that means more to you than just a teammate, and you're able to take him to do something that he puts at the very top of his career. I don't know that was that

was very important to me. I guess. So it has a lot of personal uh you know, respect in my heart as well a lot of things with sports. When people don't realize the relationships you have with men that you compete with, compete against, uh, you know, those are the things that you take away. Like we can sit here and talk about all the party and the matches

of this that, but it's probably the relationships. And I'm assuming that you take away from this thing that that you cherish for the longest, you know, the longest time. For me. Yeah, no, I apologize to me. No, no, no, you get out of here, Get out of here. Now. Let's let's do a little uh lettle make believe you're you're you're booking with next right now, say you had to rebook the fight between you and Brett Hart in the Ironman match. What would you change it? Would you

do something different? How would you do it? Well? So look now here in in NXC now, I think if we, uh, if we had an hour marathon match, look, I think we could, depending on if we I don't know if i'd go to the one fall. If I did go to just the one fall, I wouldn't go to the overtime, you know what I mean. I think you'd capture it in the last I don't know, fifty nine thirty five or something like that. Like you think it's going down to the wire, and I think I would. Nowadays, you

would have to up the pace a bit. You'd have to have your wins. You'd have to keep it moving faster than we did I think at the beginning, to keep them interested. And that's if you don't go with several falls throughoute. I think we'd go to several falls. It's a much easier build to come down where you can tie it up, you know, say to apiece and then you're coming down to fifty nine thirty, fifty nine forty, and then you capture that last fall at fifty nine

fifty eight. Oh my goodness, it's the new world champion. We'll see you next week. Yeah, how are you and Brett? Now? Fantastic? Brett and I saw each other last WrestleMania, and uh, yeah, I know so we are. Obviously with a number of the A documentaries and stuff like that, they've done many on Brett and myself and of course the story in Montreal and everything else. But yeah, we saw each other at WrestleMania, and it was it was unbelievably nice, very pleasant.

We're both in a great place in our lives. And again I always, you know, I always uh sort of comment, you know, because I think he knows how important it is to me for us to be where we're at. And he always sort of just pats me on the shoulder. And Andre Brett's always had just a very calming, uh you know, presence about it, and he pats me on the shoulder, shoulder and just it quietly says, we're good, show,

We're good, you know what I mean. And uh, and I know that he means that and again to me for both of us to be at this place in our lives and for us to have experienced so much, you know, both together and individually away from the ring, personally and professionally. I think we're at a fantastic spot. Wouldn't change it for anything in the world. I love it now, Sean. You know, I'm a free agent. I know you're you're doing this whole you know n x

T you kind of mentor these young wrestlers. If I were to give it a shot, you know what, persona should I go? You think I have an opportunity right low? Do it? You're gonna have to go? Oh yeah, you could? Are you kidding? We took a punter for having I mean that all right. And you, my friend, you know, are way more athletic than McAfee. So and you know, you know that was pretty darn good. So, you kid, you'd be a piece of cake. Man, you'd be a you'd be a machine. Plus with your work ethic data,

wouldn't be tough. I'd have to be a villain. I think did we could? We could have you? Oh for sure? Oh yeah, well that look that just comes to astal and plus down here in Florida. You know what I mean they love you know, come from New England. You don't have a chance do matter where you're actually from, mister, as far as everybody's concerned, you know what I mean. You're in New England, patriot, and that's it, so they'll blew you out of the building no matter where. I

love it. I love it. I used to welcome it. I used to say, I'm like Pop, I am what I am. I'm just giving you a little, uh little something maybe to work with another one, Julie, because you you were famously in playgirl. Do you think Julian could pull that off? Yeah? Well are you still in shape? I'm in shape, Coach, got the apps going and everything? Yeah, as are there? Abs are there? La? It's all I've learned. If you got the ads, you can damn there get

away with anything. Yeah. You know, my legs have shrunken a little just because of the load. But that's a good thing in other areas and makes other things look bigger. So I think I'm actually in a good spot right now. Load A load makes my legs shrink too. Actually, how how many kids do you think I suspended? To take it from me? Go ahead? I'm sorry a lot no one was gonna say, don't be safe with me that I always cover up the legs, so don't worry about that.

We got ways of accentuating the body parts need to be accentuated. That's what this business is. An answer your question. More kids got expelled that I can possibly shake a stick out for the degeneration suck it. Oh yeah, you know who was one of those kids? You know it was one of those kids. I got suspended for saying suck it or doing a suck it to my my pe teacher at lunch, and a lady walking by flagged him down, told him I end up getting suspended for a day of school because I said suck it. At

least you know it was all right. I didn't. I gave him a double jump. Fucking give one of those mister calls, yelled. He already hated me. Teachers knew what was coming. If you said, if you're not down with this, we got two words for you. I'd get thrown out before I could even get to suck it. Oh yeah, well, look that I claim to fame is that now we've got girls here doing it. Yeah, that counts his consent again. Yeah,

that's what I'm saying, you can't you said that. I'm just I'm just saying to actually see I mean, you know, women, kids, everybody doing that. It is. It is absolutely hilarious and you know, heaven forbid, I hope the world can take a joke. Hey, I don't know. This is We're an anti cancel podcast, so you don't have to worry about that. We take jokes here. Sean mean legend, thank you so much for joining us. Sexy Boy, Heartbreak Kid. He's just a sexy boy. Sexy boy. He not your boy tour

by Heartbreak Kid, the sexy boy, I mean epic. This is Honestly, I was so nervous getting into this because you're such a huge part of our you know, part of me when I was a kid, you know, and enjoying uh your career, you know, and now you're working with n x T. Yeah. Look, I just gotta say, look, I appreciate it. I'm just saying, young man, I've watched you. It's been a you know, you were just a hell of an athlete, football player, man, and it was I appreciate.

I appreciate talent, you know what I mean. Uh, when I see it, you know what it takes to know. I just made a lot of sacrifices, deserved every one of those rings. And I appreciate you. I don't know having me on man, and I don't know. Let me walk down, you know, glory road for a little while. Hey, you're still in the glory land, buddy. You you have a you have You've done something that not many people. I would say, how many WrestleMania champions are there? Not

a lot, you know, so like that is insane. We have so much respect for you. Now you're working for the w w E n XT. That what airs on Tuesdays eight o'clock on USA. Yes, yeah, yeah, every Tuesday night Live eight and I'm sorry eight pm to ten pm USA Network. And obviously this weekend premium live event on Peacock Halloween Havoc. It's our biggest, you know, premium live event of the year. Gonna be a hell of a show. Absolutely, you miss it, you know what, you know,

I don't miss the physical stuff. I mean, I get to live viciously through these young men and women. It's obviously great being a part of the creative and so it really is. I love what I'm doing now. I love trying to help out the ww for the future and and all the young men and women that come through this place. It's my honor to help them again get to get to be a part of the same moments that I got to be a part of. I know how great it is to get to do that, and to just to be a part in helping them

do that in their careers. A dig doing it. It's hell, it's a hell of a lot of fun. Dude. Well we we we thank you so much for taking the time, uh and coming out and sharing your stories. It's been an unbelievable honor. You're you're a first superstar from w w E and we we we picked you on purpose because we that match was that transition into that attitude period which basically became our childhood. Uh, did we miss anything? No, No, I can think of noting the zip line, the zip line. Yeah,

we missed something. The zip line in show up. Yeah, Jerry Lawler streaming, he's chicken out, chicking out, and then you come down on the zip line. Pretty bad. That was insane. It's probably the best entrance. No, thank you for taking the time. Yeah, thank you so much, Sean, dude, that was epic. And now we know you have to Actually, you really have to be a wrestler. I kind of pussed out there, how you I didn't show my abs. That could have been my that would give us a taste. No,

he's not here, but I shouldn't. I should have showed him my abs because that this that was pretty much an interview. Yeah, that was an interview that I failed. You didn't fail. You were great, and and you're gonna be. I think he could be. We need to work on your persona for like a Florida rest South Florida Hurricane Jewels. I keep coming down these streets getting eaten up by mosquitoes,

seeing how weathered everything looks. I'm a California kid, and it's nothing but humidity and trash out here in South Florida. I'm gonna treat him. We're booing, We're booing. This is exactly how it sounded after we would come down here twice a year to beat the ship out of the Miami Dolphins. Yeah, we gotta work on that. That's good. I gotta work on that. Yeah, we gotta work on that. I'm glad Naples is underwater. Sam with Sam has howth Florida hate too. I do. I do himself South Florida. Yeah,

I saw that meme from that that Dolphins fan. I got the most punishable face, will come. Why don't you come see me? Okay, why don't you come see me? Over here? Raw? Why Julian gives them one super kick? I got the most punishable face in here? What street are we on? Canal Street, New York, New York? But your your two Brook, he doesn't have enough money to fly up here. We'll fly you out, coach, but we'll fly you out. I'm looking for you. Yeah, let's did we get the propst Did we hit it here? In

my Google doc thankfully not my search bar? Seven sexy boys? You know who's excited when you hear that, Kevin Spacey. Alright, No, we hit seven sexy boys. That's pretty good. I'm impressed. I didn't think we pulled it off the end. I heard you you put on the full court press, So then I had I went to the double team. I went to double team the boys. We could redouble team. We cramped it in. Yeah, but it was all potential. The legacy for this match, it's one of the greatest.

I think it had to be. I mean This was like the start when you say the iron Man match in wrestling, This is the iron Man match, our match, Brett Hart, Sean Michaels. Yeah, sexy boy versus what was he the executor? The best there is, the best there was, and the best will be the hit man, the hit man heart. It was cool to see that. It was cool to see them. Like you could tell from when we were asking Sean questions about Michael. Yeah, I mean

Sean asking questions about Brett. You could hear it in his voice that he loved like they love each other. You know, they're they're such a huge part of each other's history. Even though in the time moment of that fight there was hostility that was probably gaining because he's you don't want to say the replacement, but there was a passion of the torch and someone. I mean, no

one wants to be the backup quarterback. No, unless you're Jimmy, unless you're Cooper Cooper Rush that guys, he's the guy's doing it. Yeah, not this weekend, but he's but he humbled, but he's had a good I'm holding my own in this fantasy football league. By the way, you beat me last week. Yeah, I'm holding my own. Dude, you didn't start someone and you beat me. You know what, time for confession. You guys kept hitting me up like when

can you do it? I'm like, no nights work for me, so I just had to be like, what, I'll figure it out. I'm doing it. In between sets of the seller, I'm talking to Colin Quinn, like what do you think of this pick? He's like, I don't fucking know. So I'm literally just like trying to figure this out. And then I'm like, shit, I'm going on stage auto pick for this pick. This guy's run off, get off shit. Two more picks I was. I was scrambling. I was like,

fucking Mahomes, just trying to make shit happen. Homes. I delivered you sandbag so hard. You were so unsure of your team I was. I was hitting up Jack. I was like, how do I look at you? I look at you? Yeah. I got fully fucked yeah, because I had auto pick. And who'd I get my first pick? Some terrible I got, uh the running back Edmunds. I got ed Means from Miami. That's my first pick. I missed two rounds. I'm out of the league now. Miss two rounds. Josh Allen and Saquon were my first two picks.

Pretty good picks, A really good pick right now. I think he's leading everything and you try not to bet with your heart, but like I'm a Giants fan, I gotta take Saquon and Josh Allen was a good first pick. That guy's a fucking tank. Bye bye bye. Anyway, the lasting image of this match, what do you think of lasting image of this match? For me, yeah, I'd have to say him getting out of the sharpshooter. Oh, like,

that was a huge wrestling move in my household. My brother gave it to me, I gave it to my sister. Everyone always tapped to see Shawn Michael's not tap and bring it into overtime. Yeah, that's spectacular. This is almost like the twenty eighth to three game in some ways goes into OT, goes into ot on once we knew it was going into OT. You knew Shawn Michaels once she that's a momentum. It's like football game. Once you

have the momentum, it's over. But he also, for me, the lasting image is him like almost crying sweaty right after he pins Brett either that or the super kick, because either way, you know, you know, that's Sean's time. But also, I mean the entrance was pretty tight. It was badass for sure. That's a big image, huge zipline fully in. Yeah, that was awesome. The pictures of McMahon doing it. Yeah, in his jeans. He had to try it. It's a good boss. You gotta try this stuff. Huh.

So the name of the name of the of the match here? Did we forget anything? Jack? Oh? Sorry? Jack? Yeah, what do we forget anything? I think we're good on stuff. Just a couple of clarifications on a couple of things. We talked about the Browns moving in the middle of the night with those Mayflower trucks. They were deactivated for three years as of ninety six, so they came back in ninety eight. It felt like ten years, felt like a while, and then felt like ten years for me,

feeling like a while. That Cleveland Sports Championship drought sixty four to twenty sixteen, fifty two years. There's got to be more, though. I don't think Detroit's got baseball teams hockey. Jacksonville doesn't have one. It's not a sports town. It only got one major Dirk one, I only got hockey, triple A baseball or something. Uh, yeah, that's that's a long time. And then we talked WrestleMania twelve. We talked about getting it for free. Note pay per view over

here over at uh whose house were we at? Jeff's? Yeah, oh my boy, Jeff. The cost of that pay per view twenty nine five. That was a lot of money. That's a lot of it. And then yeah, and Monday Night Raw longest running weekly episodic program in the US, over fourteen thousand original episodes, more than the Simptons Simpsons. Oh yeah, how long has it been going? It has been going? Let me see, I think like it was close to that was the first time it did longer

than SNL. Let me see. Yeah, I'm called wait yeah that way. Yeah, did we miss something or do you miss something here? That correction within this that correction eighty three or ninety three? Sorry ninety three. So SNL but it's probably it's probably some category episode. SNL is only eight hundred eighty episodes because they take breaks. What about Simpsons breaks. That's a good point. Yeah, yeah, we're all right, Jack. You We never should have questioned Jack dude. Yeah, I

think otherwise, heck of an episode. Well, what's the name of the game, guys, what do you think? I mean? I think it's the iron Man Match, no doubt. But the other option sixty minute men, uh, which is also a good grinder profile name the real? What is it that I don't want the real sixty minutes? I think it's got to be iron Man Match. I don't think it's even the debate. It's the iron Man Match. Yeah,

it's the iron Man Match. I mean, no, cal Ripkin, You're not the iron Man, Sean, Mike respect the caw ripkin Man. Actually want you on here? Seanle Ripkins. Yeah, he's just the stud. But did you hear that? Wasn't that? Didn't they like postpone a game because of Kevin Costner? Oh? I love that? Oh my gosh. What happened? Kevin was having an affair I think with his wife. He found out, got pissed, made an excuse for the team to cancel the game. Kevin Costler was having an affair with Cal

Ripken's wife. I think so. I don't know. This is just all speculation, paraphrasing. I could be fully wrong. Yeah, the Orioles were like, oh, powers out tonight, power outage. No power outage, sound like the power went out in his household a long time ago. That's my drift. Damn. That's brutal. Costner. He's even more evil than on Yellowstone. That's fucked up. I mean, Costner is like the baby

that's not that sucks because Costner's the baseball guy. So like the baseball guys, you can't watch Field of Dreams Bull Durham for love of the game and love of the Rincon's got to avoid a shitload of classics. He can't even watch his own sport on the green screen. Yeah, they're like, do you want to watch He's like, I'll watch The Natural? What if? What if Robert Redford Fox's wife? Then he's really out of luck. He can't watch any sports movie. How we score this game, steaks are it's

it's high. Stakes are high here. Stakes are pretty high because Shawn doesn't win. It's wrestling. There's Wrestlmingia's once a year. You don't get a lot of shots. This is the super Bowl of wrestling, and this is probably one of the strongest times, and it's the two big names in the sport. It's got to be stakes have got to be like nine something. Am I crazy for this? Kyler's annoyed that I'm saying this already. I can tell what do you what do you think? Now? It's not nine,

it's WrestleMania and it's an Iron Man match. Two guys, it's not the stone Cold, it's a I would say it's probably like I love stone Cold, but I think Shawn's a better in ring guy. I think if you want to go for name, fine, but we're talking steaks. I mean I would say high eight eight eight eight eight times right, all right? Star power is I know you're saying these. I mean they were the biggest name, even with the biggest of the time of that time.

I mean I would say probably a high eight eight eight. Again, this is a Michael Irvings score. Damn gameplay, I mean you gotta give them props. This is a fucking started a little slow. But as you said, it had to I had to. Competitive stamina was a huge thing on this on this night. Yeah, competitive stamina. I still have nightmares of hearing McDaniel's say that we fourteen What do you say nine to two for gameplay? I mean it's

it's one of the greatest wrestling matches ever. I think we got it nine two ninety two name the Iron Man match. I mean that's pretty it's pretty epic. This isn't going to be a high score for us, dude, Is it going to be the highest? Though? No? I mean it's it's up there. I'm I'm saying probably eight. Are you going lower? Low? Eight? Low? Eight? Eight? Four A two A two A two? All right, what's our

what's our total? This is high eight seven. That's one of our biggest Eight eight is just an aggressive score. I think it fits. Honestly, eight eight puts it at number three overall. When what's ahead of it right now? Behind Giants Patriots eighteen and one and then Titans Rams Super Bowl thirty four, the longest yard an eight nine though we really give a lot of process. That guy did not care for me at all. Yeah, I think it was the jerk off joke to you know, a

god fearing Christian. Well, I'm a Kurt Warner fearing Jew. After that, Jesus Christ. He hated me. Oh man. But we're right in front of twenty eight to three. Whoa, this just got twenty eight to three just got jumped. That's off man. Yeah, can all be winners? That's tough. To three is legendary. But this is like, this is you do have to give this match? Yeah, this is I mean, this is a big match. It's a big match. Although I don't know if there's many wrestling matches I can.

I want to hear in the comics comment comment section. Yeah, you guys think are we giving it too much? We're just too high. I don't know. I think it's gotta be. I mean it's high, all right. Well, Follow Games with Names on YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, TikTok. I said, well, I don't even know what I said, right, TikTok. Subscribe Yeah, we're finishing each other's sentences. Wow, this is like a

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