“Gilbert Arenas’ 60 Point Game” with Gilbert Arenas | Wizards vs. Lakers

Gilbert Arenas. In just a bit. We'll check out what was going on in the world in December of six, and we'll take a look back at both of these teams, then wrap it up by naming the game and scoring the match was a This was a sick game. Yeah, I mean two legends. This was in the prime of Gilbert Arenas's Like there was like a three four year period where you could argue he was probably one of

the best scorers in the world. Yeah, it was. I mean, dude, everyone talks about like Kobe versus Team Act, or Kobe versus Vince or Kobe versus Ai, but like Arenas had a stretch where he was a killer. Yeah, just going back and watching this game, he did it in all phases of the game. He could come off the screen shoot three. He could his mid range jumper was insane. In transition, he could get to the line. He went to the line twenty seven times. That's went twenty two

for twenty seven. That's that's insane, isn't it. That's insane. Yeah, I mean except for like during the James Harden era, there was an arrow a Harden would just be at the line. You'd breathe on him and he would just like shoot free throws. Games changed, The games changed, game change, games with names, games with names that change, and follow games with names on all social media, remember to do that TikTok or Instagram, YouTube, Facebook? Are we on Facebook?

Is that still a thing? We're not, all right, Maybe we can make it a thing. But also, if you're listening to it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen, we are there, comment, click subscribe. We want to see you. We want to hear what you're talking about. We want to hear what game you want to hear? Right? Yeah, absolutely, I mean this is one like communal, This is one I'm pumped for. I remember watching this game live and being like, holy shit, like you knew you were watching

an epic game. Yeah. I mean anytime Kobe was on, it was like always must see TV. And then you throw on Gilbert Renez, like you had to watch this game. Kobe. I was always kind of rooting against because he was so good, and it was almost like Kobe went through that phase where it was like uncol to like Kobe because he was just winning. So I felt like the posers like Kobe. And then he kind of lost for a while and drove shack out and humbled a little. And this is like when he became cool again. I

feel like, yeah, him, Poucassol, he didn't have Shaq. He was coming into his own. He was trying to learn how to win without Shaq, and U exactly what you said, when when guys are hot, when you're at the top, it's lonely at the top. Everyone want to see you a fall. Then he hits rock bottom, Shaq goes out and wins some titles. Yeah, he's still looking for it. And this is when everyone kind of got back on

that Kobe train. Yeah, I mean this was kind of Kobe and like, I think he was like fourth in the league in scoring this year, So this was maybe like the year after he was like I'm taking every shot. He had that one weird year in the playoffs against the Suns where he just wouldn't take a shot and being like, oh, I shoot too much, Let's see what anyone else can do. And you're like, weird, time to flex, Kobe,

we'd time to sink your team. It's something it's a characteristic in those ultra competitors that are just so petty when someone says something about them that they're going to do everything, they just all right, you want to see without me shooting, We're not going to shoot, but Tom ever do shit like that. Ah. Now, he was pretty good at compartmentalizing, you know, he would he would create stories in his mind with certain things that went on.

But you never you never saw him as a different player when we were preparing for a game or anything like that, because like he that's his master's strength. He can he can always compartmentalize regardless of what's going on in his life, going around the team, his you know, reactions of what's happening with the front office. He was always the same guy was this jack Was this number eight Kobe or number twenty four Kobe. I feel like it was a let me look one second, because I

feel like eight Kobe and twenty four Kobe. Like when he was number twenty four, he became more of a leader. When he was eight, he was kind of like the I'm the swaggy cool guy and the minifro went away. The mini fro. You're right, minifro. I love the minifro. Mini fro was always cool. It was you know, I like when players look like they're in the seventies, like when a baseball player is a mustache or Wallace, Ben Wallace, Ben Wallace. He just he played like a seventies player.

He did that big old fro dunk on you what we got, Jackie. This was twenty four of Kobe, twenty four four. Then he wanted a clean slate after Shaq was traded. Interesting, Yeah, that's the only reason. That's the only reason. Let's go back to December seventeenth, two thousand and six, number one movie The Pursuit of Happiness with Will Smith and the debut of his son was Jaylen Smith. Jayden Jayden, Jaden Smith. I I shed tears every time

I watched this one. Yeah, Will Smith down his luck trying to get back kind of like Will Smith today in real life kind of. But no, this was a good movie and it was insane, and it took place in San Francisco. There was a forty nine ers scene, so, like,

you know, I just loved the movie. Inspiring too, like the homeless just trying to save his son, and then it becomes just like successful real real story too, underdog story and you know, one of those feel good movies when you're you're feeling like shit feels good for like the last ten minutes, yeah, last time. The first hour and a half, you're like, sheesus Christ, guy a break, he's selling Like what the projector things back in the nineties, what is it? I don't know, but uh, it was

good to see that. I loved that movie. Yeah, it was a classic. It was a good flick. Sudan Hussy was sentenced to death by hanging in November. Hanging is so old school, very very very old school. They should do like an NBC show where we killed dictators with Hangman. You have to guess letters like little kids have to guess the letters is R is R one and then he's just like, shit, it is one. Sorry, Saddam your dad. Nintendo Wei was launched. I love Nintendo we for like

three months, and then I was like, it's not that good. Yeah, you got excited because you saw the bowling commercial and the hating commercial, but if you're a real gamer, you're like, this sucks. Yeah, it wasn't. Tennis was kind of fun tennis, but I like when they were like, it's exercise. I'm like, it was always like a fat piece of shit. Who was telling you this was exercise? They were like, it's like real exercise. I'm like the boxing doing this. But

it was. It was a good party system, you know, because then everyone who didn't play games could actually come in. You guys could drink, make a drinking game out of it or something along those lines. It was fun. I enjoyed it. I had it for like and then they would The next one was a game cube. This is game cube proceeded, I believe, yeah, and this would. But you're right, this was good for people that aren't gamers.

It was like it was like the casual system because you could learn, like your mom could come in and pick up bowling. Yeah, it's kind of like the the VHR now or one are the virtual reality goggles that they have oculus Oculus Like all right, yeah, that's fun for like twenty minutes, and then yeah, it's more fun in theory than execution. Yeah, it's never gonna be. You put it on too, and you're like the people say

video games make you anti social. Then you're literally putting goggles on and you're in a room alone like m You're like, this is like the epitome of isolation. Remember that was gonna be the ticket, Like when this whole craze of like NFTs and everything, everyone's gonna just have virtual reality goggles and we're not even gonna leave our house. It's gonna be amazing. Yeah, well that's the way we're headed with the metaverse. That's what they're trying to get

us to do. I thot the metaverse was done. I think it's I think they're just warming up. Are we warming up? Jackie? Remember back when you made the Google Glass video, Like, oh, twenty thirteen Google Glass video. I remember that twenty thirteen we went out and did an ad for Google Glass and I had I was catching punts on an off day with these Google glasses, it was not you didn't like it. I mean they didn't work did they do? They didn't work out. It's gone.

They was gonna be the wave too. You never know that could come back though. It's kind of like, uh, TikTok and Vine, like Vine didn't make it now TikTok's basically Vine and it made it. You just need some better marketers. Yeah, I mean my Space started the whole thing Friendster before that. Maybe we'll get to ask Geeve goggles or something like that. Yeah, ask Geeve the hot bot. Remember that I asked Jeeves was a fucking How about You know who's really hurting right now is probably Yahoo?

Are they? They could have been Google? Yeah, could have been Googled. Couldn't they have bottom or something? There was one of those things they could have bought Google early. How about AOL? I feel like Florida is keeping aol afloat. I feel like there's just a few old people just they still have the disc. They're like, I'm still I'm still logging on they dial up sound that dial Oh my god. Remember you'd be like on the phone, you'd be like, mom, please, I'm trying to call a friend.

She's like, I'm checking my mail. You couldn't be on the phone. That was crazy. Yet, two thousand and two, Yahoo turned down a million dollars to buy Google a million million dollars. That's kind of like Blockbuster Netflix. Yeah, damn well, I mean Netflix just you're right, just copied Blockbuster and then it became streaming. No. I remember my friend had Netflix and I thought it was so lame. You had to like go online and you had to

order a movie in like three days. You would get a CD and you'd have it for like a month. You only watched the movie once? So what was the big thing about it? Like, I was like, this is dumb. That's what we used to do. I want to go to Blockbuster and I want to go, like look at everything that was Like that was almost more of the day than watching the movie. Is picking the movie? That was Friday Night? Yeah, anytime in the nineties, it's crazy. Yeah,

I was with you. I mean the fact that the mailman had to deliver your movie and they had the boxes or is that red box? Red Box? Didn't Netflix have a box as well? I don't know. Well, bow Rat was released in November. I like a boat. I don't have I have about a boat rack. I don't know of the accent. Everyone was doing that voice that was like, let's go Brandon before we were so divided, remember, it was just like that was like the apolitical let's

go Brandon. It was that and I'm Rick James bitch, and like every time you're like, all right, we get it. We've seen the fucking thing. Boright. Huge though, seventy second Heisman Trophy Award Troy Smith, Ohio State quarterback didn't pan out in the league. Most of those Heisman quarterbacks, don't. We need to get what Heisman quarterback has done well in the NFL. There's a few. Carson Palmer didn't win a Super Bowl like t Bow. You know, he circumcised

a kid, You know that, right, I didn't know. He went to the Philippines and was like given circumcisions out. Damn. I don't know. That is the weirdest sentence ever. It's I think that's a full true story. He went to the Philippines and circumcised the kids circum like he was giving out circumcisions. It's damn. He was fun. He was fun in the NFL. So he came to he played with us for a while. Yeah, and there's a guy

named Nico Kudoviti's. He was like the levantier of the locker room, like just he was a Greek guy, but he thought he was like Italian and he talked like like this, that New York guy. And the first day we signed Tebo, he just looks over he go, hey, Tbo, you mean to tell me you know? Jack off? Like this guy's got this and he has a stigma, like an aura about him when he walks into somewhere. He's he's a popular guy. Everyone knows who Tim Tebow is.

People love him, so you can't get a little intimidated. I was. I didn't say anything. What did THO say? He just kind of shook it off and laughed like he's probably gotten those jokes from locker rooms a bunch. But uh, it's funny. They should have kept going. They should been like, whip it out, dude, let's see it. Come on, Tebo, prove it, prove it? Does he? Does he? Not? Jack? I think he was just being a smart ass Nico jacket on that. Yell me, look, your Google search is

gonna be rough. You might have to go to uporn for that one. Yeah, Tim Tebow whacking it, he must whack off. I think that's gotta be a detriment at a certain point if you never get a release. Yeah, I think it's a religion thing. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. So the NBA in two thousand and six, the San Antonio Spurs swept the Cleveland Cavaliers in the finals, Lebron's first finals. That was his baptism. Yeah, baptism by the big fundamental Tim Duncan. Was unreal. And also he had

no help. Lebron was young. Sure he was a little young to be here, but who is the second best player? Booby Gibson, Sasha avl Goasca, big Zka. I was in Cleveland when this was happening. There was such a energy in Northeast Ohio with Lebron and his young his he was just a monster. I don't know he was. How old was he was like his third year in the league. Yeah, it's insane. He made the final three in yeah with like no, he really had no help on this team.

He didn't even have like Anton Jamison yet, he had no out. Did he have Moe Williams. He did not have Mo he had Scott Pollard, He had Eric Snow, David Wesley Wesley, Dwayne Jones, Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden exactly. He had no one. Yeah, no disrespect to those guys, but that's insane. Remember when Drew Gooden had the patch in the back of his head. It was awful. That was not good. You remember that he he didn't have any hair except one little patch in the back of

his head. That's kind of tight rat tail. It wasn't even a rat tail. He was trying to get it to be rat til maybe though it was like pre stage rat tail. But then sometimes if you're growing your hair out, you got to you gotta stick through the ugly stage. I know, you got to get the whole hair. It's like when you do a mustache. If you did a mustache, now be fine, But if you just grew the mustache, yeah, we should like kind of like how Sam holds his all the time. Sam's got a good stash. Yeah,

dirty Sanchez. The MAVs were sixty five and fifteen this year. The Sons were sixty one and twenty one. Two killer regular season teams that just didn't have the juice that was Steve Nash. Sons huh. They were fucking from Mary Stademern. I remember the West Coast teams a lot more at this point because I was still in the West Coast maybe at that time. Yeah, yeah, but it's it's isn't it crazy with sports? Unless you watch Sports Center twenty

four to seven. At that time, you were only like limited to who who you are, who you had on TV. There was no League pass yet. I don't think no. NBA TV was just becoming a thing. I think. But Kobe was a scoring leader, thirty one a game, MVP Dirk, he was killing it. Rookie the year. Brandon Roy was he was like one of the ultimate what ifs. That guy was phenomenal on his knee. He just had like no cartilage in his knees right the worst I feel

bad for him? How you feel, Buddy? Its almost worse and not being able to jack off t BO that's stinks now. He was He also got shot recently. Brandon Roy, he just had like bad luck. When it rains, it poors, Buddy, it rains, it poors. Dpoy Marcus Camby, he was he was a man. Isaiah Thomas took over as the Knicks coach. I thought that would have been a good match. That was terrible. I mean that was like one of the worst periods as the Knicks fan. He just didn't have

what it takes to be a good coach. He was good, I guess with the Pacers, but he problem was he was a GM before this, so he signed these horrible contracts and then he had to play them. It was like, this is your fault. You literally can't blame anyone but you when you got all control. Yeah, can't blame anyone. See, you better be pointing that thumb to yourself, buddy. Adidas became the official outfitter of the league. Yeah, this is before they employed Anti Semites. Uh. Well them and Puma. Yeah,

oh yeah, because they were brothers, you know that. Yeah, those were brothers. They broke off. One beat was took the Adida's name and one made Puma. Damn yeh Narley. Uh remember those space shoes Adidas, that Kobe's first shoe. Oh those were horrible. They look like bricks, right, Well, those are the coolest. That's what all the kids wear nowadays. The Kobe's no like just brick looking shoes, like these fat shoes, big old blockie clunkers. Yeah, the Kobe Adidas,

the original. They're on the top left or that left one. Those are awful. What what are we doing here? What it looks like a Volvo? It doesn't, It is true. They support look at that like were wearing those What is that? It looks like one of those winter puffers, those jackets you know. Yeah. Long time Boston Celtics coach an executive Red Aarbach died October twenty legend. It's always funny to hear stories about Old Red. Anytime he was in the the arena, everyone knew because you just smelled

the cigar. Yeah, there were no non smoking laws for Red anywhere. Shout out to him making it to eighty nine. The way he looked and lived he did. He was not a healthy man. He couldn't have been. He had a cigar in his mouth out all times. When cigars like fifty cigarettes? Yeah, isn't that what it is? Something like that? Is it? Yeah? The cigarettes? They say, like

one cigar is like fifteen cigarette. You're not inhaling, right, yeah, right, If you're a fucking pro like Red, he's definitely inhaling that bad boy. Do you think he's inhaling a little bit honey, Yeah he was. He was, I mean as big of a Boston legend as you can be. I mean, the architect of those teams start as a coach, became the front office. JBS talks about him inside the NFL. He said, that's what he told me, that story. Anytime you're in arena and you smoke a cigar, you knew

Red was around. I think Paul Pierce said it when he came on too, And Paul and Paul they're saying, here, one small cigar is the same as one and a half cigarettes. Red one smoking is small. He wasn't smoking. He knows nothing small about anything on Red. Also, that ratio sounds like it can't be right, can't. Gars are so much cooler than cigarettes. Cigarettes. You look like it's like a nervous energy. Yeah, you know what I mean. Cigars you're just like chilling. It depends on how you

smoke a cigarette. I mean, some guys look pretty cool doing it. It looks cool, But there's something about a cigar that's like swagger. It's more like vacation vibe exactly. Cigarettes. Like like you said, like, all right, I gotta get this stress off here real quick. Let me just take down one of these Ciggi's yeah, cigarettes, Like, where the fuck is that missing girl? You know cigars? Just like I got some stock options for you. I'll help out. What were you doing in two thousand and six, jewels?

You were at Kent State? Right is my first year at Kent State. Man, I was like open to a whole new world going to the Midwest. I never left California before this, other than I went to Florida once. But uh, it was it was crazy to me. Like you were at QB. I was QB in it at Kent living over in Silver Meadows getting robbed. I got robbed. Someone came in and robbed my my TV, my flat screen while you were there. No, I was at class.

So it was definitely inside job. We used to hold poker tournaments there, and so I used to go to these pull inside job, pull inside job xbox and I had a plasma TV you know, which was huge back in the Yeah, yeah, plasma was big. And so one day I go to like this poker tournament, like we used to go to these like illegal poker tournaments. We're probably gonnay for this, but go like forty miles away from Kent in some like Podunk Ohio Town. And there's

a scratch on my TV that I knew. And I walk into this fucking this cash or this game, and I see my fucking TV with the exact same thing, like who what? So I sat there and I was fuming the whole time I was playing. I was like, who fucking stole my shit? And so I had a Queen eight and this was a cash game, it wasn't a tournament, and it was like a thousand dollars hand and that's huge hand for when you're in college. And I fucking like I rivered like the nuts won the hand.

I grabbed all my money and I said, that's my fucking TV. I picked up the TV and I left. WHOA. I was so fucking round. I was someone at the game who jacked it. Someone. I was like, who the fuck? Where'd you get this TV? Picked up the TV, picked up my money, gave a spit, and I was like, let's go. That's bad ass. It was. It was pretty bad ass, but I was like, I was so hot and I was ready to fight. I was like ready, Like I thought someone was gonna be the biggest dude there. No,

I'm a five ten brother. I know, but you're fucking yoked. Yeah. I was a quarterback at the time. Yeah, you were still probably a jack quarterback. I was a little jazz, pretty jacked, I mean, but nothing crazy. But I've got Julian. I've got Julian Edelman shredded on my Google search, do you Yeah? Because I was trying to show my trainer. I was like, look how Jackie is. But now if you look at my Google search, he be like, why is he looking up jack pictures of Julian? But it's

to show my trainer. I'm like, look at that. Well, my Google search it says Sam Morel funny because nothing came up. No, I was looking for jokes, struck out, looking for jokes for this podcast shown up. This guy throws out a funny joke. Every time I have nothing to come back. You're killing giggle with a giggle. I would think of that Sopranos scene. Remember when Jackie Junior and those dudes try to rob the poker game. That's

one of the best scenes. It was like that, Yeah, but I right away, dude, dude, I remember my blood was pumping so hard. I was like, oh, yeah, I just got a hand, got my TV back. Fuck yeah, I love that. That's fucking badass. Let's talk about this matchup. Oh, we gotcha at the I got the two thousand and six stats, one hundred and twenty four passer rating, two hundred and forty two passing attempt seems kind of high. I would have thought less for you were we were

throwing that thing, baby, we were West Coast. Spread them Shatham get open wide shallow ten tds ten, How many picks eleven? Oh damn, those are rushing team Bill Simms regular season numbers right there. I used to rush, though I was a runner too. Now probably had to let me look into those real quick. Now I'll have to get that. Let's talk about this matchup. Lakers forty two and forty finished seventh in the West. Kobe was leading the NBA and scoring with thirty six point or thirty

one point six points per game. That was the year they drafted Jordan Farmar Jew in the first round. Oh yeah, dude, Jewish representation in the NBA. There's not a lot of us Amari, that's true. He's he's our on the old jew team. Amari is our star Amari and Dolph sha is from like the nineteen fifties. Our guys, these were post shack Lakers, not the greatest Lakers of all time. Yeah, this is a rough team. This is Jordan Baying, I'm Chris Mim, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton another Arizona guy too.

Before lamar Odem they just got this was that was the shack t that was pre? Was that pre? That was pre? Who didn't he dig? It was pre? Kim Kardashian. You saw lamar Odum on a flight? Yeah, how's he doing? It was Chloe? Yeah, yeah, thanks yummy, thanks to thanks you. I he came in like almost a little late. Did you say hi? No? He was No, absolutely not. Why I don't know. Yeah, but there's gotta be like an athlete. Yeah, I'm not gonna bug him, but he's I don't know

why he wasn't. He didn't sit in first class. He sat in an exit row. Maybe because he's so long that he needed the the leg space. But it was still a little I mean, because if you think they were like the pod things, maybe it wasn't enough leg space. I don't know, but I don't know, dude. I think if if you can get that pod, you're taking the pod Yeah, maybe it was a last, last second flight. He he he needs that happens, that does happen. Benefit of doubt.

I hope he still got some money. I was a big lamar Odom fan, New York guy, legend, six eleven, futuristic player, like truly one of my favorite dudes to watch. Incredible talent, and it is he goes in that category of if he played in now's era, he would have been great. I think he'd be a great modern day player. See I mean say that about a lot of guys back in the day. She'd I think would have been

another great modern day player. Lamar Odom was six eleven, and he had ball handling ability and could kind of just do everything. Yeah, he was and he had no ego. I mean on the court, came off the bench for the Lakers, he could. He was a fucking All Star level player. I don't even think he ever made an All Star team, but he was on Team USA. But he was like fucking six man for the Lakers when they were making that run and you're like, that's incredible,

that's humbling. But he had but he wanted to win and he was. He was great. I mean, he was a great player for the Lakers. Yeah, no All Stars, but NBA six man in twenty eleven. No, maybe one of the best players ever to never make an All Star team, without question. And he just beat Aaron Carter in celebrity boxing. I think I thought he lost. No, he beat the crab out of him. He just lost to something before that, though, didn't he Yeah, let me look up his boxing record. He beat Aaron Man. If

he lost to Aaron Carter, that would have been rough. Aaron. Was he like a Backstreet boy or something? Oh, his brother's a brother. Man. If he lost to the brother of a backstreet boy, that would that's like losing to Joey Fotone's nephew or something. That's bullshit. That's yeah, no, thank guy. He's six eleven, he's got reached. He lost to someone though recently. Oh wait, he's two and oh he's two and oh good. That was Frank Gore. Frank Gore lost to Darren Williams. Yeah I did. I would

not have bet on Darren Williams. No, but he handled him a little bit. And I'm a Frank go. Frank Gore is my guy. He is Frank Gore Hall of Famer. Yeah, I mean just Likeevity alone, right, I mean he was a beast for so long, not like some of the He's top five in rushing or something, and he played forever. He was awesome for a long longevity. Darren Williams, though, had fucking hands. Did he see that length? That length?

I didn't have bet my life on Gore, me too, because Gore's like he was known to be a boxing guy. He was always in the ring or always training in the off season boxing. Darren Williams looked like he could fight. He was. Darren Williams had like a run in the NBA where he was just phenomenal, but he did kind of. He came to Brooklyn and and it didn't really work out here in Brooklyn with that Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Darren Williams, Joe Johnson squad didn't. It usually doesn't work

out New York. You know, at least Knick Knicks are having it. They're gonna have a year this year. Dude, I don't know when this episode comes out. That's a bold prediction, but Knicks are fucking more in the Knicks shoes and more in the Knicks hat. Let's fucking go that's a cool Knicks hat. It was like a fire department, fire department hat. They got to make a New York Giant New York Giants one for day Ball because he always wears the New York Fire Department. Fucking love day

Ball six and one. He's fucking awesome, he really is. He Lea's like out of season Chris Kringle, doesn't he He looks like, you know, like you know, Santa before he puts on He's got a little Santa belly. But he got a little Tony soprano vibe to him too, he does. He's got a little soprano swag. I guess you kind of have to in Jersey, the Meadowlands. He's from upstate New York. He's from Buffalo or Western Buffalo.

Buffalo has got definite mafia vibes, have you been? I mean, the Italian the Italian defamation leagu' is gonna come after me for this one. No. Uh. The Italian food in Buffalo is some of the best you'll ever eat. I mean, really next level in the wings. Yeah, that's true. They think they invented them. I don't know if it's true. They will tell you. They invented them. Rudy's Blue Cheese. Shout out to Buffalo Rudy's Blue Cheese. Gronk always used

to bring it. Really Yeah, you like jewels, you gotta try this blue cheese. It's my favorite. And his mom used to make a Buffalo chicken dip all the time. That's a huge Buffalo thing. I feel blankas from Buffalo born and raised. I didn't know that. It all makes sense. That does make sense. It all makes sense. Sorry, Jack, were you going to say something. Daboll actually born in Canada, Canada, grew up in upstate New York. Though. Yeah, it's the

same shit Ontario. Yeah, but that's right on that line. You're right there. I mean, there's this interesting. The Wizards were forty one and forty one. Yeah, they were swept by the Calves in the first round. Coached by Eddie Jordan. This was a weird era. Arenas were third and scoring that year. I mean, people forget how good he was. They had Anton Jamis who was like, honestly, I know, I say, it's a lot another guy who would almost be better in today's NBA because he was a stretch four.

It was almost before the time of the stretch four. Did he have the headband? He played sometimes with the head bands. North Carolina guy, Yeah, one fun factor at Anton Jamison. I believe they traded him and Vince Carter on Draft night. I could be wrong there, but they were both tar heels and I think was that right. Let me see here, the Warriors traded North Carolina's Vince Carter the number five pick to the Raptors for tar heel teammate Anton Jamison. That's four weird you traded for

your tar heel teammate. I mean, that's how stacked that North Carolina team was. They Karan Butler on this team, who I loved watching Karan Butler. He was like a tough, gritty player, could score, but he was like he was like your defensive stopper guy. He was. He was a killer. Deshaun Stevenson, NBA champ with the MAVs, this was like he was a good player here. This was before he took like that next step. I think they were always a sexy team, the Wizards these these few years. They

always like were competitive. I always had like a crazy night like Gilbert had tonight. They were a sexy team. They were like a fun video game because of Gilbert and because of Kuran and zach Con. They were a fun team for sure, a great offensive team, but they didn't play day other than Butler, and maybe a little bit was Brendan Haywood on this team. He was a good shop blocker. But let's get into the game. Gil got out to a hot start with twelve in the first.

Seemed like he was hitting everything. It was so fun to watch him. I mean, that step back was beautiful. Like I was trying to think of modern players that play like him. I couldn't even think of one, no, because all modern players do is just shoot threes. But he had that nice mid range range I could have. He was just hitting mid range all game. And also he had that weird little like kind of step back off the glass. He had that like smooth game. This

era was a cool era, isn't it. It always? It's crazy to me how well NBA players know the backboard. I love it, you know what I mean, That's the only shot I have consistently in the park because I will hit bank shots because I grew up watching Tim Duncan and they're like, oh, you fucking boring ass, white guy. It's literally how I score. Banks are always closed for me. Reason banks are always closed for me. Yeah, you don't do the bank No, No, it's a smart shot, Yeah

it is. I'm just not good at it. Do you know who had a great bank shot? Dwayne Wade. No one talks about that shit, but he was like automatic off the glass. He made it. He made it look cooler, like Tim Duncan. Everyone was like like man whatever. By the way, one of the coolest players ever gets doesn't get his due is like a cool player. But to me, I think winning's fucking cool. I too, Winning's fun. Yeah. Gil had forty three in the second half. That's fucking insane.

Kobe still had forty five in this game. It was fun watching them go back and forth. Yeah, I got some questions about that. I guess they used to talk shit Walton through Walton. Yeah, they had like a messenger. They wouldn't talk straight to each other. They would like like Walton like would come up to Arenas and say like, yeah, Kobe says you're too pussy to guard him. And then you know, Gilbert would be like, well you tell him.

I'm not gonna let him post me up because he's great in the post and like go down like it was like a fucking full on well because they went to Arizona together, right Arenas and Walton and then Walton is Kobe's teammate. This Laker team kind of sucked. This was a pretty like this was pretty much like this was if these games were nationally televised. It's for Kobe. They were yeah, forty and forty, but there was a stretch where the Lakers were like not even a playoff team.

I remember like right after Shack left. This is when they became like Kobe was so good, they were wand of like, right now, Lakers suck right now, dude, it's it's it's hard to watch they You know what, they should have traded Westbrook for Miles Turner and Buddy Healed because at least then they'd have some depth in shooting. They're shooting is a fucking They had a trade on the table. I think they would probably would have to give up picks, but I think he got to do that.

If you got why do you have Lebron if you're not going to try to win? Do you see Nurkic so disrespectful, didn't even step out on ad the other night, just let him jack it up. Ad. Yeah, I don't know what they're doing. Man, the team doesn't work. They're trying to blame everything on Westbrook. Hey, I feel bad for Westbrook me too. It ain't right. I feel bad. And he's pressing so much. I mean, they're giving him wide open mid range shots and he's got to hit

him though. I mean, you really do, Like you're an NBA player, You got to hit that fucking mid range shot. Yeah. But he is like he is getting all of the blame, and it's like, dude, this I love how they blame Frank Vogel. They just fired him. I'm like, clearly, it's not the guy who won you a championship's fault. I hate when they blame a coach when it's like the front office is doing jack shit. Crazy thing about this game.

Washington was up seventeen points in the fourth quarter and then the Mamba came out brought him back for overtime. Gilbert had the chance to win it on that last shot, didn't hit it, brings it back, gives them extra time to get a little more extra points. He would have finished sixty. He would have finished with forty four if they didn't have overtime. You got It's like you're bummed when you missed that shot, but then you're like, oh wait a second, I get the Stabad a little bit.

Stat Pat love it. Gil sixteen and overtime helps the Wizards get the wh Vladimir Redmanovitch red Monovich remember him. He finished with twenty seven. He was on that Lakers team. He was on that team. You know, he's a really fun team. That Seattle Sonics team. He was the power forward on when they had like Rishard Lewis and Ray Allen and Luke ridden Now and shit, that was a that was a fun team. Everyone could shoot. Can we bring Seattle team back? Get Seattle a fucking team. These

people deserve. They're great fans. Northwestern fans are they love them? And that's basketball towns, Washington Stable Town. Holy shit, they got like Gonzaga and Washington State. They got all those good basketball schools. Yeah, what do you got? Jackie said, they get the damn kracking. No NBA team with the kracking in the NHL. That's right, the crack. What is that a fucking Halloween candy? Get that ship out of here. What is it called? What's next to fucking Nevada, mister

gold Bar. The cracking, the seattle cracking, that's their NHLPA. What is a kracking? The cracking? The beast something a sea beast, that's Jesus Christ. That's not a h eh eh, I'm trying. I'm trying to find something good to say about. We just looked at the uniform. It's speaking of lame the Wizards. You see their uniform this game, the Golden Black horrible. It looked like an international team from like the Saudi League, the Saudi Alternates. These were These were

rough jerseys. Let's go to the gaming corner presented by win Bet. What's the prop bet going to be? I think we see how much beef we can get Arenas to talk shit? Because he is a notorious shit talker. That's kind of what I love about him. He's almost from that, he's almost cut from that Gary Payton trash talking cloth. I say, we can we get over two point five beefs? Like we know he hates Kwame Brown? Can we bring up to Kwame Brown beef? Can we

get him to go off on that? Who else in the same He's probably probably had that edge, remember because they were draft he was draft number one. Kwame went number one that year, and Arenas went thirty one. Arenas is the second round pick. Jack told us before Tony Parker was, I believe twenty eighth in that draft. He was. There were a lot of busts in this draft, though.

There were some guys that like Tyson Chandler went early in this draft, and he kind of sucked for the first four or five years and then he became a great defensive guy, a winner, but like he had a long stretch. Eddie Curry went early. Bulls got both and this was like a weird yeah drama. Parker twenty eighth, Yeah, one of the all time steals. And also they got I don't know what you they got Ginobili but he

was like fifty something the Spruce. That was when that was when international players were still just like soft international players. They didn't know. They didn't know, we didn't know. And now it's like now like now it's like Luca Jokic, all these like international the international players caught up. Oh dude, it's they're they're there. It's becoming scary for the US because they do the in All Star weekend, they do World versus US and now the world is getting sneaky, which,

by the way, is not fair the world. It is. We're taking on the world. What is this the fucking Avengers movie? We should We're America. This fucking thing was made in Nate Smith. We still I still we win. I still think we But like, dude, they've got Joe al Embiid, Yannis, Luca Jokic. Technically they got Karl Anthony Towns. I think he's like from the Bahamas or something. Us. So we got like Jimmy Butler, Lebron, durant Uhatum Tatum, who else, Steph Clay Clay everyone else. We're good. We're

still good, but smart. Julius Randall New York represent who else? I would just name the Celtics starting five probably for you. That's true. DeRozan is still a killer A D A d if he's healthy. Lebron do you say Lebron? Yeah, no doubt, Kyrie, Kyrie if he wants to play. It feels like it. James Harden seems like the American guys psychologically just they're good. They're the best, But like you know, I mean, what are we doing guys? Ben Simmons International,

That's right, that help. That helps us. Yeah, what about Uh who else are we? Where'd he born Australia? Yeah, Bradley Beal, We got killers, we got enough, uh, Kilgus, Alexander, Yeah, Kawhi PG. That was he's been injured but when he's but he hasn't been injured as of late. Yeah, he just started playing. He's incredible. I mean, he's one of the one of the best Hall of Fame. It'll be good to see if the Clippers can go on a run.

They're the ultimate what if team, right because they got John Wall, who's like a question mark who could be great this year. They got PG, who's always heard, Kawhi who's always hurt. They got the depth, zubots Canar is a sniper dude. They got my guy, Marcus Morris give the Knicks one of the best half seasons of my life. Great tough guy, love Mooke, tough guy, tough guy ticket. So just to lock it in here, two and a half, we think in two and a half over under, Yeah,

we're two and a half. We're gonna get him to talk about three beefs. I think the Kobe beef is like gotta be in there because I think there's love, but there's definitely beef. And then the kwame is a straight up beef, and I bet we can milk out. It's give us some other who else did you hate? We'll say we can even preference a question like who else did you hate? And he's not a guy who I think has to think about. This question is brought to you by Arby's. Who's your biggest beef? Where's the beef?

We do deserve an RB's plug after that, give us some free rbs. I've never Yesterday we were talking RB's a couple of times I've never had Arby's. What I've never had it? I know it's the only fast food I've never had. Good. It's good RB sauce. You need to drench it in arby sauce. Yeah, the horseradish, No, it's like a fucking it's like a it's almost like a Heinz fifty seven barbecue sweet sauce, stingy. I don't know. It was like my parents' first date was at Arby's. Ah,

that's beautiful, so nostalgic to me. All right, Well, we're gonna be joined by Gilbert Arenas right after this break. Thanks for joining us. Man. How you doing, I'm doing good. I'm doing good. But uh, I'm excited to have you man. Three time All Star Agent zero loved watching you during this era. This is such a fun time. All NBA second Team, two time All NBA Third Team Most Improved Player in two thousand three. I remember I think I picked you in fantasy that you you're on the Warriors.

That was I believe. I picked you early and I got some ship, and I was like, watch and you delivered. You had a big ear and holds the Wizards record for points in a game. I think you passed Earl the Pearl in this game. Yeah, no small feet, black Jesus, that guy ruled x Nick. That's our guy here. Cover player for NBA Live two thousand and eight. And uh yeah, thanks for joining us man. Oh that ship I forgot. I did all that in such a short time. What

are you doing these days? What's what's post retirement looking like? Uh? You know, just like you guys podcasting, you know, trying to you know, be one of those athletes that you know that gets the show, the human side of them. You know, when you're when you're an athlete, you have to play by the media rules a little bit with answering questions, so you become you know, robotic. You know, now that I'm podcasting, you just get to lay it

all out there. This was an awesome I mean, we're doing the game where you dropped sixty on Kobe, which is I remember watching live, I remember rooting. I wasn't a Wizards fan, but I rooted for you to I kind of couldn't root for Kobe. I feel like all the he was like, it was like almost fair weather to root for Kobe. He was so beloved at the time. So I was like I looked at Kobe the way I looked at like Rick Flair and wrestling. Well, I was like, I appreciated him, and I was so happy

he was a part of the league. But I couldn't pull for him, you know. So I would root for guys like you or Tam Mac when I was watching, you know, and I loved watching you go off in this game. This was this was epic. How real was this rivalry between you and Kobe? It was It actually started my rookie, I mean the connection started in high school. He didn't know it, but he got drafted, you know, by the Lakers. So he's the high school kid, right.

He goes to vig this beach breaks his head, and me and my friends we were like, oh man, we missed him. Let's go back. Let's go the following week to see if he's gonna show up and not realize that he broke his hand. He would not be there, okay, just we were high school kids, you know. So I go there, we're playing outside, I break my hand, I break my right hand. I'm like, oh shit, I'm just like Kobe, right. So I grew my fro out and

all that. So I was a big Kobe fan. And I remember when I get drafted to When I got drafted to Golden State thirty one, my friend calls me and he was like, yo, guess who I just ran into. And I was like, oh, Kobe right, And he was like, no, serious, How did you know that? I was like the fuck out of here. You didn't run into no Kobe. It's like, yeah, I'm at Disneyland and I just I just ran into Kobe and I said something to him. You said something

to Kobe. I was like, what you say? I was like, uh, my boy, Gilbertorenas is gonna He's gonna kick your ass and just sees you. And he was like a Gilbert Areenas from the Warriors. He's like, yeah, that's my boy. He's gonna tear you up. He's like yeah, if he ever gets off the bench, WHOA. And I was like, why would you ever say he knew who I was? He like he said my name. He's like, yeah, he said today, he said you was on the bitch And I was like, wow, he knows me. Like I didn't.

I didn't care about the disc or nothing. Just he knows me. Kobe Bryant knows me. But that kind of put like the the fire in me to like really start working out and really started training. Like if Kobe knows me, man, that's that. That means everything. So like whenever I played against the Lakers, it was just this this this automatic like great game. It was like I'm

automatically on fire. So I remember even my my first best game in preseason, my best game in preseason against the Lakers in Bakersfield, my best game as a rookie against the Lakers, my best game, well not my best game in my second year, but you know, one of my better games was against the Lakers. The last game of the season. So you know, leading up to the sixty pointer, I was probably averaging about twenty nine to

thirty two on the Lakers already for my career. So it was just it just seemed like just a normal game. You know, Kobe's gonna try his his mental battle with me, which he did. Started off the game saying, all right, I've got Gilbert, I'm gonna shut him down. Smith's Parker, you go to the Sean Stevenson. So I was like, all right, hey, Cob got to me one four flat. Forget the first couple of plays, right, just to let him know it's about to be one of those games.

So you know, I start off on fire, We're going back and forth, and it was just everything was just clicking. I didn't even know I had sixty, to be honest, until until the announcer said it. I thought, you guys, I thought, like, so you guys were talking to you. I thought that Luke Walton was the messenger for you guys to talk ship to each other. And how did

this come about? I know, you guys played together and you know what was going on on this Arizona boys, and now he's a Laker with Kobe so he was a messenger. Yes, so Luke Luke Walton was. He was the go between. He was always the go between every game, which kind of got me hyped. That that that kind of got me hyped. When Ludolf Luke Walton always said, Uh, yeah, Kobe's gonna tell he's gonna stop you, I was like, he's not gonna stop me if he if he sticks me,

I'm going one for a flat. And then what added to the fuel was Koran coming to the team. Well, he also and and Karan played with the Lakers and then he goes to play with you, and I read something somewhere where he said he preferred playing with you because he didn't have to think about shooting the basketball. Yeah, you know, he just should just tell stories about you know, Kobe was always open. He was always open. There's no

triple team, double team. He was always open. So every time he got the ball, he always And so when you get the ball, you're already looking because you hear the sound. You know, he'll make sounds like he's open for you to swing the ball to him. So he said, you never felt comfortable when you got the ball because Kobe was already screaming for So this game is fun too, because, uh,

Kwame Brown, same draft as you. He's picked first overall, you're pick thirty first, right, you guys are playing against each other. He's on the Lakers in this game with Kobe Yep, did you guys already hate each other? No? Really, no, No, I didn't like it was it was one of those things that he was. He got traded to the other team. You know, we moved we moved on. It was like, I didn't know we had a problem to it was a twenty twenty one. I did not know we had

a problem from it. So I guess back in two thousand and four, we're in the playoffs. I don't want to say it's jealousy, but it clearly is. You know, he was the number one pick in Washington. Michael Jordan comes back, you know, takes a little bit of his shine. Also took a lot of pressure off of him. When Jordan leaves here, I come, you know, I come, I

come in. Now you know, off that sixty five million dollar contract, I'm the highest paid player in the draft now in our draft, so I'm one notch above the number one pick. Now you know I won the first award in the draft. So, you know, we had a we had a decent first year together. You know, I was heard, you know, the offense was you know, different for everyone. Our second year together, he's he didn't start the season with us. He was hurt, broke his foot

in the summer right before training camp. So Antoine Jamison uh gets traded to us during that summer. So me and Antoine are back together. Me, Antoine and Larry back together. Who who were my veterans in Golden State. So we were moving. So by the time Kwame comes back, he's not part of the rotation. He's not really you know, he don't have the offense down. He's out of shape.

He's trying to figure this out. But in the meantime, the crowd don't care about none of that, so they're booing them, you know, at home, they're just booing them. So he didn't really feel comfortable playing at home, you know. Towards the end of the season, you know, we're trying to figure out what our lineup's going to be. He never, he never, he never actually started. He never got his starting position back. Jared Jefferies basically seal that. So going

into the playoffs. We started off playing in Chicago. We dropped O two. I go to the papers. Please do not boot Kwame Brown. We need all of our booze to be towards the visitors, towards Chicago. I know, but I love it. I love it. I love it. We all love that they booted us out of this. You know, they booed us out of the arena. We didn't need

this negativity, you know, we didn't need it. So coach decided that he was going to play Eton first, which which was the backup the backup, backup center is playing well, you know, basically his best game of his career was that Game three at home we won. Kwame only played three minutes. And then that's where it kind of like ruffled.

Is while we're doing media, so everyone celebrating. You know, you got sugar Foot over there fucking complaining like a little girl, talking about yet they're not passing me the ball, and you know it was it got it caught me off guard, like passing the ball? Did he even play? I didn't even play with him? What are you talking about? He wasn't even in game with me today, Like I didn't I didn't have to I didn't have to pass

on the ball. And then he said another comment. I was like, listen, every time we passed him the ball, he don't do ship with it, right, you don't. He don't do ship with it. And then he says something else, and I said, you know what, we're better without him, all right, We're just better a out that dude over there. And that was our little riff. And he, yeah, he goes home, he gets drunk, doesn't show up the practice the next day. He basically quit. He quit on us.

He basically trying to put an ultimatum, if Gilbert's playing, I'm not gonna play. Uh, I'm the All Star. I made the All Star issue. The fucker you talking about zero zero? That was wrong with him. It was just ridiculous. That was just a ridiculous statement. And they're like, all right. So he basically quit and then he pulled one of those you know, I was, you know, I was afraid to go to practice because if I went to practice, you know, I was gonna slap somebody. Who's gonna slap me,

Who's gonna slap me? Gonna slap me. But if he did try to come slap me out and probably ran. Let's be honest, like, you know, he's big. You know, he's a really big guy. So I wasn't gonna stand there and be slapped. But you know, he said it, and you know I tried to address it, you know, try to pull the buff, tough guy. And then he apologized. I got him to apologize. Oh, I got him to apologize, and he said, no, it was the media. The media, they misconscrewed, you know my words. I didn't say I

was gonna slap you. And then you know from the mayor. To be honest, that Game three was the last time I seen him, you know, because he didn't come back for the rest of the playoffs, and then we traded him in the summer for Karan and Chucky Ackins. See. I grew up a Warriors fan and I remember you were there. It was you and j Rich, right, yeah, me j so my first Troy. Now, how come they got you out of there? Was there beef beef between you and Jay Rich? No? No, no, Jay Rich was

Jay Rich was my brother. What happened? Because I was kicking myself in the head where you become age zero, I'm like, where the fuck is he? On the Warriors? What the fuck is this? Yeah, so back then, no second rounder played past the mid level exception. So the most they can pay me was forty nine million, so

they couldn't have They couldn't actually afford me anymore. Okay, So because they couldn't afford me, and I didn't want to do one of those Joe Smith's deals, under those one under the table deals, so I I ended up. You know, they just couldn't They just couldn't match. They just couldn't match what Washington and other teams was offering.

So you know, departured. But you know, because of that, they changed the rule and made a Gilberterenas rule where if your second round player gets offered more than you can afford, then you're allowed to match him without going over the luxury tax. Jolbert, do you mind just pushing your camera a little back, just adjusted a little bit? No? No, no, oh sorry, hold on. Yeah. So yeah, that's a crazy rule. I mean it is crazy to think of you as a second round pick. I mean you have got to

be one of the all time steals. You think of guys who got picked, who is in the second one? You Ginobili, Draymond and Jokic Jokic is a big one. Yeah, probably, Yeah, he's the best. So he's hard with the eurost get a real evaluation who they're playing out there, you know, well, is like he still looks fat and he's the best in the NBA. I mean's the MVP twice, you know.

The I to be honest, the NBA draft and the NFL draft, I just think it's horseshit because you can't evaluate someone's mental You can't evaluate pure talent instinct, you know, Like, you know, me running a four to one forty doesn't mean I can catch the fucking ball. Doesn't mean I have quick feet laterally, Like it just doesn't. And same

thing with basketball. If if I'm a top five pick and you never, like I never get to go against the other four that's in front of me or other guards to really see what my my motor is when I have competition facing me, then you can you can get lost. Some players that has that, it can get lost in the draft. And they also can't measure that little thing that's in you. It's called the dog. They

can't measure that goddamn fucking dog. Yes, you're right, and that's and that's why they That's why you know, so many great players slip through the draft because they they don't have it down to a science. And this dog was on display this night. First quarter, you start off pretty hot. You have twelve points, six for nine from the field, three assists. Kobe's only got two. Are you from that point on are you already feeling like you're about to have some heat? Are you feeling good or

are you still in that focused mindset? You know usually you know, as a score you know, I try to break it down in periods, so I don't really get too fond on how I'm doing in the first period. It's just you know, I just you know, one layup, one to three, a free throw, you know, that's usually my my my, my goal. So I'm not stressing about

scoring or not scoring. So you know, it's like, okay, first quarter, you know, average quarter, you know, and that's said nine points is average quarter, Like that's an average quarter, you know, not a second quart. Order is his own quarter. So I mean going against the guy like Kobe, who are the other guys in the league at this point, They're like, I want to get up for this game. I want to show up. Okay, it's not. It's not that you want to get up. You're gonna have to

get up. You got Iverson, Yeah, you got got Ai. You have Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, I mean just the way he played defense, So you you really had to be focused the whole San Antonio Spurs defense. You know, you know, got you mentally prepared. You know, the young Chris Paul and Darren Williams. Uh, you know, you never get about Darren Williams. He was a big, big, big, big plaint guard for the most part. That was really

it in my position. Most of those those really hard to guard guys with shooting guards, and you know, I had a different defensive player and DeShawn Stevenson that that tired himself out on that you scored. I scored. That was my job. I got paid to score. Yeah, Deshaun great defender. I mean, I mean you also play with Larry Hughes. You play with some really great defensive Yeah, you know, I played with great. I played with great you know, great guys that really buckle down on defense.

So you're going in a halftime, the Wizards are up, You're you're playing some good ball. What do you think going in a halftime in a game like this, you know usually can't sleep on Kobe. Probably you're like, we got ten points, we can't sleep on them. Yeah, yea. With Kobe's usually you have to worry about the second half and that fourth quarter because you know those last

five minutes is just all Kobe. So you know, coming into halftime, you're always mentally, just with any great superstar, that if they're not having the first first great hal be pared, be prepared for a dominant second half. So you want to have some type of cushion, you know, you know going into the fourth quarter, last five minutes. So going into the halftime, you know, you know it's one of those good half boys. You know, we still gotta come out there and and and execute, you know,

defensively and offensively. Knowing that you know that that those last five minutes, you know the Mamba is going to be trying to will this team to this victory. So you come out of half and exactly what you think is gonna happen. Kobe starts picking it up. He gets sixteen points, you you tally up twelve. You're still balling at this point. I mean, I was watching this game because we were we watched it. You were hitting everything from that remember that side step, Yeah, free he had

like you were hitting it from every angle. Did you know you had to just keep on going, like I'm gonna have to hit everything tonight because this joker is about to get hot. No, I mean, you know, are you just playing the game, just just playing a game at this point, because you know, at this point we're all playing well as a as a unit. Yeah, Karana is hitting shots, and Antoine's hitting shots, Brendan Haywood is doing this thing. So you know, as a whole unit,

we're all playing pretty well. So you know, it was it was still just just a normal It was, you know, an above average night. You gotta remember, I'm imaging twenty this twenty nine. I imagining twenty nine, so you know it's you know, twenty nine is stilled in average night, that's your average. So you know it's still you know, average, a little bit above average going into that fourth quarter. Yeah, and uh, and then Kobe kind of shortens. Is he talking ship while he's doing this to you? Is he

sending you messages through Luke Walton? Is anything coming your way from him? No? So he did. He did try to bait me, and the bait was, so you're just the one sided player. Huh. So, so wont you guard me like I'm guarding you so you can put me in a post? Why would I want to just sit in the post the whole fucking gait like, you know, I'm not a post offender, like, because that's what he wanted to do. He wanted to beat me up in the post so he can tire me on the post,

so I don't have no offense. So I said, noah, no, thank you, right, and then I did get on him one time, and obviously he scored, and I was like, you know, DeShawn, that's that's your duty, Brom, I'm gonna tire him out on this part, you know, and on this side of the court. So that was the only thing he really said. So, Kobe trying to bait you in and you have a shot. Were you pissed you had that shot to hit that buzzer or are you thinking I'm getting more I'm gonna get that stat. I'm

gonna pad them stats even more now. No, you know you had that buzzer. I thought I did too, Like, yeah, this is it game winner? Like game winner in l a because I had about two hundred tickets. You're from there. Yeah, so I had all my high school, my high school basketball JV. Varsity, you know, b's and c's. You know. My high school coach, Harold Levine, brung the whole, you know, basically the whole basketball program, you know, to the game. So I was like, I'm about to I'm about to

do this, this is it. And on the pull up, it just didn't feel right. I don't know if I like I hesitated on on on just a natural jump shot, thinking he was gonna jump, but I was moving backwards and just you know, just the angle was off, you know, so you know, I blew it. It's almost kind of cool. It was a great It was a great miss Yeah. Yeah, you know you miss it. You're only going to give

the two hundred people you got tickets for a better show. Yeah, But listen, when you when you're when you when you're on the road and you have a chance to win that game, you want to just win it right there for sure. And but I mean, you got through two hundred people that you brought, you got Jack Nicholson courtside. Is it kind of fun to drop sixty and You're

like American icon right there. This is pretty cool. No, I mean after after after the game, once I realized I had sixty, you know, scoring sixty was the movie Stars. At that point did not matter. I scored sixty points on Kobe Bryant. That's that's all that registered inside the inside the brain at that moment. Did you ever ever talk to anyone in the crowd, Harry, you ever fuck with anyone in the crowd. I remember some dude got on my haircut in Philadelphia once and I had to

It's like, fuck this guy. No, no, no, I used to I used to talk. I used to talk the crowd. That was my thing. I used to like. I used to say, Oh, he's gonna he's he's going to get it because of you. He's going to get it because you paid to see him. He's about to get all of all of these points. I'm not passing it no more. I'll do that. You gotta have that villain, Sorry, Gilbert, with these your least favorite jerseys to wear it, because this was a tough error for jerseys. Some of these

the gold and black, not my favorites. What you like it? I was heat you like the man? I was heat. You guys are gold black in the uniform. I know, but it had the stars, It had the stars on It just made me feel like I'm a star. Every time I wore that dealers, I don't know, it just made it just made me feel good. Every time I wore that jersey, someone got the ass busted. You did not want to see me in the gold. So we you talked about Kwame. Were there any other players that

you were like, I just don't like this dude. Like teammates, no, I mean anything, teammates, opponents, anyone we were like, I don't I don't like this guy. I want to mess this dude up on the court. On the court. Yeah, not, no, no, no, nothing. I never had any personal problems with you know, any players on the court. I never took it personal, no matter how dirty they were. It kind of actually made me play. Who was the dirtiest believe it or not?

John Stockton, Oh I believe it. He's like a QAnon guy. What are you talking about? Of course? Dirty? Yeah, Like my first two years, I'm like, Yo, this dude is just dirty player. Bro's just he's just dirty, Like like he pull he'll pull you elbow you knee, you like, he do all of them. He did all of that. The short shorts were just a disguise to get your mind off of how dirty he was. Yeah he was. I was like, oh my god, I'm glad I didn't play in the eighties. This is this is this is

not it's not basketball right here? Who else was dirty? Who else was a dirty player? Usually it was more bigs like like Reggie Evans, uh, players like that. Guards weren't listen most players. Most players that just were were just not very good. Skilled players were usually the dirty players like Bruce Boyn was considered the dirty player. But try hard guys didn't. It didn't. It didn't work on me.

It didn't that his his waight of what two o five, you know, like him, Roger Bill, like the stuff they were doing with Kobe. They didn't really I didn't. I didn't really get that treatment. Well, you finished the game. I mean you were clearly on our tests, our test metaworld piece. He was at the comedy show this weekend, and I was like, I was like, oh shit, run our tests in the crowd. But he came to the

late show, so I was hammered. So I flubbed the opener, and I was like, fuck, I'm bombing for run our tests. I turned it around, but I was like, man, bomber. So you go out and you outscore Kobe. Sixty points are sixteen in overtime. He only has four legendary game you find out you have sixty. There's there's some talk that was there. Did you guys have a phone call after this? Did he call you or something? Or am

I just getting terrible info? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. So so what ends up happening is so when we go into locker room, you know, I'm all excited, right, you know, I scored sixty points on Kobe and coach says yeah, and we want to get He's like, and we won the game. I said, man, fuck that game, Kobe. Do you really think I cared about the game winning the game? No,

I just scored sixty on Kobe. So everybody's laughing and stuff, and we're getting on the bus and some of the some of what he said came out like, oh, he had no conscious, he doesn't have a conscious. So I changed my name to I don't have a conscious. And then Karan gets on the phone and we're just jab going back and forth. Oh, We're just going back and forth.

And and I remember Brendan Hay was say, telling you the mongoose, you tell that man, I'm the black mongoose because I guess I guess that's the rival, the mongoose and the mamba. No one knows this, but the mongoose will fuck a mamba up. Dude. They also have good Have you watched YouTube video YouTube of video of a mongoose versus a snake. The mongoose wins, dude, Yeah, but what's so funny. It's like that is like the equal like so it's like a fifty to fifty battle between

the two. So when I I yelled out, He's like, all right, we'll see, I'll be I'll be there when I come there. Have that same energy, have that same energy when I come there. But yeah, I will. Would you have rather will? Would you rather have dropped eighty with an l against the Lakers and Kobe eight eighty eighty? Yeah? I mean it's it's Kobe Bryan. I probably you know

it's it's like scoring four touchdowns, five touchdowns. I'm like, yeah, you know, bragging, right, So I'll take the listen, I'll take the eighty points and the loss because I know that eighty points is going to irritate him the rest of his life. Is this the is this? Was this your most Was this your favorite game of your career? No? Which one of my favorite game was? It was two games later. It was in Phoenix when I dropped fifty four.

You were hot. I remember you got on a hot streak. Yeah, So with that, it was more impersonal thing because if you watch the Redeem Team, you'll you'll see glimpse of me in it. I was I was number ten, and I felt that because this was a Nike event, I thought they were kind of like biased against Adida players. So you know, I wasn't fairly judged in my mind, because you know, I was part of the second unit, and I was the best player in the second unit.

Like I did everything for the second unit, Like the only reason we competed with the with the first unit was because of me. Like if we won games against the first unit, it was because of me. Like they just Kirk Heinrich and Bruce boy and and just gave me the ball and let me just camera that unit. It was basically like a one man It was a one man wrecking show against the starting unit. Who else is on that lineup? Who who are the bigs and

on my team? I had Antoine Jamison, I had Brad Miller, I had Shane Daddy A. I might have had Bosh with me, but I don't think I had Bosher. I think Boscher was on that side. Joe Johnson was on that side, Chris Paul was on that side. So I hadn't. Yeah, you see, you see where someone like me is in heaven. So yeah, I they told me that I'm on the bubble of making the team because I pulled my groin, you know, slight pool. So I was nervous, and I was like, you know, I don't and this I was.

I was being polite, I was being a real teammate. I was like, you know, I think I pulled my growing and I don't want to hold up a position for someone else to make this That's how cocky I was. Now for someone else to make this team, because I don't know how long I'm gonna be out or this is going to be lingering. And uh, Clanjo was like, Oh, don't worry, You're on a bubble anyway, yeah, uh uh okay, all right, Oh okay, I'm out of here. That was the shortest flight I've ever had. The derage of what

he said, like, I'm on, I'm on a bubble. You got Shane Batty on that team, Bruce Bowen's on that team, and I'm on, I'm on a bubble. I'm the only two time All NBA player on that team and I'm on the bubble. That's all. I was just running through my head the whole time. And I remember I went to mcmannimon and he was my ghost writer at the time for my blog, and I remember I went to him and right before was it was it Greece? No? Was it was it Grease who he lost to in

two thousand and six? No name, So right before they lost the Argentina, So right before the game. So I did the article. It was just a straight it was a straight Tupac moment. You know, I'm going to you know, if I can go back to college. I was scoring like sixty on Coach K. You know when I when we played the Blazers. When we play the Suns, I'm scoring fifty against them. And I also said in the article you can ask Day, I said, the way coach K is running his lineup they're not winning gold, right,

They're not winning gold. Because he had all the shooters on the bench and had all the drivers and slashers that you know in the starting lineup, which made the court congested for them. And then right before the game, right before he was gonna like air it, I said, you know, just take that part out. I don't want to be that guy. I don't want to be that guy. But everyone just hates because I said that, you know, So he took he took it out. And then I remember in the morning, I woke up and said, Yo,

they lost. I was like ooh, I said, I hope this never gets out that I said that. So when we when we went to Phoenix, fifty's on my mind everyone, the whole team though y'all, y'all ain't get y'all are not getting the ball. Okay, don't even ask for the ball. Don't look for the ball if you're open, and I missed you it was on purpose. Okay, fifty is in my brain tonight, so everyone knew. I was tuned in.

We're in layup line. We're in layup line, and I got my mad face on, like yeah, and then Tony says, hey, arenas you're gonna need more than fifty to beat us. So at this point, they're in an eighteen game winning streak. So they're in an eighteen game winning streak, and they're the number one team in the NBA at the point. So when he said that, I was like, don't worry, I will I'm gonna score more than fifty. Then went

out there had fifty four and one. That was like, you know, like that was a cool Suns team too. I mean that was the fast paced Nashamari Sean Marion. I mean that that was a tough team. Yeah, that team was. I mean, you know, the runoff eighteen games, you know, just let you know how like mentally focused that team was, how together they were. That's just really hard to do in the NBA. You know, ten games is ten games. Fucking five games is hard. Let alone,

you know, eighteen games. It just means you're not you're really dowed in as a unit, and you're learning how to win games you don't supposed to win, like you know, like the fourth game in five nights, you know, you know, scheduled losses, like games like that you're supposed to lose, and the fact that you know a team like that was running off eighteen game winning streaks was just amazing. Had life change for all silly Gilly after you hit sixty and then fifty four? Was did life change? Did

you have an uptick? What was going on? Every you're getting video game covered? I mean, what's going on? That was a rock star baby like I was. It was like a rock You couldn't you couldn't tell me nothing. I even put in a rule with the team. It was. It wasn't a hard rule, but it was. It was a rule, if you don't make five million dollars, do not talk to me directly. I am a superstar. Now, well, Gilbert, this interview was over. It was it was like talk

to someone who makes five million. If they make five million, then they relate a message. Walton, Yeah, so it was. It was one of those where you know, at that time, we were just all just we were just all as a unit, just having fun. Like we felt like like real, like there's some teams you're on and you're NBA team, but you don't feel like an NBA team. We felt like we were an NBA team. Like we were going places there's there's people standing outside and you know, waiting

for you. You know, it's like we're we made it. We're We're to the point where I'm famous enough to have people wait at two in the morning. We got a problem to stay focused. I mean, you have this celebrity now and you is a team going out and partying too much because you because you can. You know, there's just certain cities you're gonna party in no matter what. Miami, you know, some guys go to Houston, Atlanta, La, New York, Boston.

You know, you're gonna find your hot spots to party and just let some air, you know, let your your hair down, especially if you have like a day off or something. But you have your party bowl. You have your party boys, you have your dinner guys, and then you have your you know, sit in the room movie guys. You know, you have a little bit of it. Got your strip club guys. You know, so you got you got your team doing what it does at a very high level. What guy were you day before the game?

I was to sit in the room, order you know, room service and watch moviestimes. You diversify what kind of guy you were. You know, sometimes you were strip club guy, maybe right, not not the day before the game. Like, so it was I think I I learned a habit from Magic Johnson. He said it. He was like, yeah, I don't. I don't have sex the night before the game. Like I thought that was a real thing. So I'm oh, that's what Magic Johnson does. That's what I'm gonna do,

you know what I mean. So you you have these little things that you put in your brain that you heard from superstars, right, and you you know, you try to implement him in your life. So during the season, I was like, you know what, this is the season. This is when I need to be focused. So I'm only going to go out two times this year. So whoever's birthday is popping, I'm going to that one. The rest of y'all can just basically for off. You're, by the way, the first guest to use Magic Johnson as

sex advice as a reference on this podcast. No one's done that ever. Also, I mean he must have if he didn't do it before a game, he must have put like two or three up on off days or something. He was a machine. Come on, you heard that, right? You heard him say that before. I've never heard that. Nineties. I remember in the in the show this week. But

that's all I heard in the showtime book. I remember he loaned his car to a teammate and the car lit on fire and blew up, and he didn't even care about the car, but he was mad that a girl's number was in the glove compartment. That's how much ass magic got in the eighties. Wow, I mean that was before the apps. Couldn't just you know, you have

to have a number. But you know how like the A. C. Green stories, he didn't have sex until he got Like those are the things that you know, when you're a kid, you listen to and you're like, this is what makes these guys great. We got to ask you because we had Shane Baddier on this podcast actually, and we talked about the Duke Arizona game. Straight trash, straight trash, bro, Yeah, what was what's your relation like with Shane? You know you were hurt that game, right, you were hurt? I was,

I was hurt. I just hate all duke players, Like it's just one of those things that you just if they came from Duke, you just naturally just hate them. And he was on a team that that defeated us. He was you know he was a great leader. You know, he he willed that team with his leadership. You know that, and the refs helped, but you know he was a great He was a great leader for that that dude team. Now did that? Did Coach k come try to mentor

you guys after you guys lost to them? Because he was known to like go into losing teams like locker room and say, hey, guys, I just want to say, you guys had a great game, great game plan versus us, and you all are extraordinary young men. No, no, I don't think he was coming into the the Luke Walton idols and locker room, you know, making that type of speech. Yeah, so Richard Jefferson said that you're the best player ever

to come out of Arizona. Do you think he's right? No, that's no cap, that's facts, yeah, no doubt no, no, no, no cap. And I only played two years and and and you know I was the best. I was the best player that ever played for that team, because you got to remember I played with four all McDonald players, and I led the team to scoring. If is a really good team. If I didn't have three of them, I would have led the nation and scoring every year. Now, Gilly, did you did you take a pay cut for the

first couple of years when you left Arizona. Oh, well, they can't do nothing to me now. It felt like it felt like it. It really felt like it, because it's not like we were getting paid from the school. And I didn't get any money from the school to boosters. Yeah, not even not even boosters. It's the everyday people like you know, if I'm going to Sonics, you know, you know, the managers like milon as you play for Arizona, You're

guild of arenas, Like I'm going to the mall. It's all nuts, don't worry about or here's a big discount, you know. So it was just the city itself of Tucson, you know, just looking out for you know, the players, and making sure that you know, we know you guys can't get jobs or get paid, so we're gonna as a community, we're going to help you guys out. So I didn't really pay for anything. It didn't say and you guys didn't get paid when you're making the school

money like that. The Florida football guys that I played with for a long time, they were always complaining about the pay cuts, so it never happened at ken State. I went to a shitty school. Do you think this game is Richard Jefferson's fault because I've heard you say that before, yes, like like no, listen, he doesn't think so, because he had his best game of a tournament, right,

it was his best game of a tournament. I really I'm really like disappointed with how they draft and how did he make the lottery or right after the lottery when he averaged ten points all three years of college exactly ten? Like he didn't move up, like he didn't get better. So how did this guy become a lottery pick? So because he had a his best game of his career. But the guy who was guarding also had the best

game of his tournament life, dune Leavy. Dun' leavy was having a horrible tournament and he goes off like dun Leavy literally beat us that game three straight three is right? Yeah, fell like ten, fell like ten. We got to get back to the sixty point game. We you know our podcast his name is Games of Names. What do we name this game? Which we name it? Hm? Hm the speed limit? I hit the speed limit on him? Speed lib Well, I mean there is, I mean there is.

The speed limit on the freeway is sixty, right, sixty five, some places seventy and others, but a lot of places sixty, I do believe. Yeah, Okay, see there you go right there. You can never hit sixty in LA though. The cars never moved, And that's why it's called the speedlight speed so much goddamn traffic out there. You ain't going sixty unless you unless you're agent zero. Yeah. See, it's hard to do. That's why only two people has done it.

Me and what Chamberlain will the still what did we miss anything about this game or about just this time in the NBA? You know, I mean, it's just one of those times where when you look at today's game and you're saying it's a faster game. When we had an era where you have a guy who have thirty five, a guy who have a thirty three, thirty one, and I'm at I'm fourth in scoring at twenty nine. This is almost this is what's fifteen years ago, and we're

in a faster paced game today. It lets you know, I mean, it lets you know like something, something's not really adding up a lot of three balls just a lot of three balls? Is that up? Yeah? It's who

do you like? Now? I like a little bit of everybody, you know, I don't really have favorite, you know, so I like, you know, Job like Luca Joker, Tatum Brown, you know, of course, Kyrie, Katie, Lebron, Curry, Love Booker over there, Trey Young, Game letterc h basically all the superstars, just you know, just you know Ben Simmons, you know, I just I like the way he plays the game. And yeah, he just doesn't do what he can't do. If he can't do it, he's not gonna do it

no matter, you know. Like I would love playing with a guy who who really don't want to shoot like that, you know, a guy who's just gonna get me the ball the whole time. Like you're like, dude, you're an NBA player. Should he's his form. It's like weird when a guy like that his form looks right and he just doesn't ever take it. You know. I was so funny. I've watched him train weeks of it and he's a

good shooter, Like he's he's actually a good shoot. Like I sat there and and just watch him, and I'm like I'm looking at his phone and looking at his feet, and I'm like, what the hell's going on with you? Like why isn't it translating to the game. And I don't know if you have this in football, but there's just certain type of players that just can't shoot, and it's because of their speed. They're too fast. I don't it sounds like a weird thing. Well, it's like catching

the ball fast. It's like catching the ball. Some guys are too fast to catch the ball. Their eyes are bouncing, they can't concentrate in a high pressure situation and they're white ass open, but they're running so fast, arms up. They don't catch the ball. They don't. It's a focus factor. It's tough. You get the yes. Sometimes, you know, confidence goes a long way and catch let them or in shooting that was like you always had like you know,

everyone drops the ball. And then sometimes you're like, damn, that fucks up your confidence. You got to get out of that. You know. It's like anything, but you gotta you gotta be able to shake shit off. Yeah. So, like like if you look at it, if you go like through history, like you look at Jason Kidd, right, super fast, couldn't shoot you got, you know, your Westbrooker. You have the shoot at the end, at the at the end of his career, kid On once they slowed down.

Se when you're when you're taking that speed and you're going and you're letting your engine go and trying to stop and pull up a jumper doesn't work with you know. So you got the Ben Simmons, you got Westbrook, and that's their problem. They have too much speed and torque. So when they're trying to stop, it just messes up everything.

So Westbrook shot has gotten worse. I think over time, right like that is the I felt like he was making a great stride around and when he was in ok see those those that third fourth year pulling up that mid range jumper, that little mid range jumper. It was like hitting consistently, and then all of a sudden, it just seems like he's pressing. He's just pressing. Now. I just think, you know, he's just he's just playing

out of position at this point. You know, he's used to the ball, he's used to feeling it, getting to feel of it, getting you know, so the fact that you know when he does touch it is like one of those things, all right, I got to try to do something with it. Now, you know, more of like a two men, you know, type of skill, and he does not have that, and it just it's just throwing

them off. It happens, believe it or not. It happened with Lebron when Lebron went When Lebron went to Miami that first year, and they started off the season oh to eight because Lebron was playing a natural three position where Bibby was the point, he was the three, and they just wasn't clicking. And they were like because they played against us, they got they win and they're run against us. They put Lebron at the point, put Bibby at the two on the offense so Lebron can have

the ball coming full speed downhill. And then they went on a twenty two game winning streak. So note to self, if you're fast, you can't shoot bummer. Can't have it all, can't have it all. Gilly, We appreciate you coming on, man, you were electric. You're an electric player. You're entertained as fuck. What's your podcast name? No Chill with Gilbertarenas Everyone, Go listen to it, click subscribe on Footbow TV. Oh and I used to I have a combo. So you know,

I was a Patriots fan. So yeah, so my combo I called you guys, MJ. So whenever you whenever you scored a touchdown, it was the MJ moment because it was twelve and eleven. So from me from twelve to eleven, MJ movin goat goat status was the golt status. I love it. Man. We used to have so we had play called Jordan and it was like, yeah, it's our go toube play. It was an empty formation. I'm on the right and I got a juke ride. I got like fifty two yards to basically get open and that

was our And with seams you got Gronk. Down the seam you got you know, Marty b On the other seam you got Katie and on the outside like so we used to we used to always mix it up with some basketball term. I knew it. I'm so dumb that that took me. I thought, I just realized that Michael Jordan. For a second, I was like, Michael Jackson, twelve and eleven year old. They got it's the goal, it's the gold. Well, now I get it. Now I Knowdan too. And then the fact that they had the

play called it going to You legendary, legendary. Hey man, I'll have to get up on your podcast. One of these days. We'll have to have a no chill moment. We'll have Sam come on too. Yeah, hell, no problem, no problem, thank you, thank you for having me. I appreciate you coming on. Man. All right, all right, Fellas, he was great. He's he's he's a fun guy and he's and he is. No no shortage of confidence. No, it would have been crazy to see if he would

have kept it together health wise. Yeah. How fucking like. He was unstoppable. He was boring ball he was, he was, he had it all. He could show it three years where it was like like get the fuck out of the way. Yeah, I mean it was on the cover of eNB two K. It was live, I think live. Yeah, before live was Live was a lesser game. Yeah, two K was better. Live had its moment before two K existed, for sure. Live was the game. Yeah, and then two K,

Dreamcats Amateurs, NBA jams was the real ship. Yeah, if you're fucking casual, man, NBA jam is fine. No K has fucking depth. Hell no, dude, I used to love like saying you prefer poly Shore movies the Citizen Kane, what are you talking about it? It's about biodome. Poly Shore is fun. I'm saying biodome what it was? Just thing Citizen game. It's a classic. What was it the wize I used to like poly Shore. Yeah, no, I meant about I liked NBA Jam. That is a very

fair I mean it was Sega. We were like two gigabytes. I don't even know what the the computer term is. We have nothing. He's eating up. NBA Jam is a classic. Yeah, it's like Blitz. It didn't blitz category. I get it. Blitz is Blitz is a classic too, I know, but they're in the same is better than blitz. Yeah, it's because you know two on two's gimmick. It's a gimmick. It's a gimmick. It's a gimmick, but it's not a traditional, like authentic, authentic type game. Jack, I see you NHL hits.

I remember Wayne Gretzky three D Hockey. That ship was fun fights. That was the first game where you could beat the shit out of someone. That was great. Just hooking dudes, throwing checks. Never got into the NHL games. The good game a lot of guys. It was so fast. My dexterity wasn't there. But my initial reaction to this game is Gil Gilly, Silly Gilly. He's just entertaining. Yeah,

he's a ideal guest on this show. Great stories. I mean coming out with Kobe, the fact that he got all excited when Kobe knew his name, having his boy talk shit to Kobe and then but he don't think he had his boy talk shit. I think that guy just like talks shit. Like can you imagine that you come in the league and your boy is just like, my man's gonna fuck you up? And Kobe's like, who are you? Like? That was insane. That story, Yeah, you

gotta you gotta keep the friends online. But then the end of the story is like he knew who arenas was? I mean, that's kind of I remember I did a roast back in the day. I was twenty one years old. I did a Friars Club roast and I fucking bombed so hard I was. I went in cocky because there was like an audition to do it, and I killed the audition. So I was like, I'm fucking twenty one

years old, What the fuck do I know. I go on and I eat shit on stage, and then a comic, Rich Voss goes on after me, and he's doing well and then he bombs one line. He goes, you fucker's better laugh. I'm bringing Sam back up. Oh and it And I was like wow. I was also like, it's pretty cool that he knows my name. Even I was sad as that so I was that young. I was like, it's cool knew what my name was. I fucking stunk. So you're you were the Gilbert Arenas in that situation.

I was Gilbert in that story. Wow. Yeah, I kobe. Knowing who Arenas was is is pretty cool. Yeah. I mean there and then he really fucking knew who he was. He loved playing in LA That's the second guest we said that we we we've talked to that said he liked playing the bright Lights. Yeah, the celebs. I mean, he can say he's not he doesn't give a shit that Nicholson's there. But you're not gonna not get up for that game. Yeah, it's like seeing Spike in the

fucking garden. Yeah, you see Spike in the garden, I'd be like, oh shit, exactly. You don't get to see that as much in football because all the celebrities are usually in boxes. That's a good point, you know what I mean. There's no like, there's no intimacy that you

get in basketball. That's the cool thing about out Like basketball, when you're playing in front of people, you can hear, you could go when you shit court side and stuff, you could hear what the game and all that when you're you don't get to experience that in football unless you're on the sideline. Yeah, very rarely do you get to be on that sideline. Jack Nicholson, he's in boxes after the game, Jack Nicholson sex joke. Go fucked a lot in the seventies and eighties and nineties. Two thousands

to two. Bet he slowed down. He's eighty five. I hope he slowed down just for his ticker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I believe that he said he rather lose and score eighty. That was awesome. The honesty is great that he'd like, I want eighty because he knew it would bother Kobe more than a win. Yeah, although I don't know Kobe wanted to win it all callts he I don't would do you think Kobe would say the same thing. I don't think he would. I think Kobe would rather have

sixty and win. I was always the kind of guy if I was alling out and it was a close game, I was just praying that we won the game, because you don't, you can't feel good about it. No, right, it well doesn't matter. No one remembers lost shit. Yeah, even if you go off like look at like Gabriel

last year and the playoffs had four touchdowns. That's fucking insane against the Kansas City Chiefs in the divisional round and like we're talking about the Chiefs, you know, I mean you're talking about four in which I think was almost was that a record that could have been a record. We'll see Val Bundy, Shit Al Bundy. I love Al Bundy and in my pants on the couch Man classic peg. Do we hit the bulls of prop bet how many beefs we could bring up? Demolished? We demolish it? Well?

We had Gilbert who just has so much The Kwame beef is maybe the most fun beef. I mean it didn't stop there either. We had John Stockton beef, which I love. This is an anti John Stockton podcast. Buck stock then Cohorts let's say basketball. He had beef with all of Duke basketball. He had beef with Yeah, he definitely went a batti batty, a little beef with NCAA refs, beef with the National Title game, Richard Jefferson, beef with RJ his own teammate, bef beef with the entire NBA

draft system, which I love. That's true. Well, I mean, you gotta you gotta be angry that you go thirty one and Kwame go is one and you're like that, dude, you know what I mean when you I get it. But that that creates a chip on his shoulder, that made him play better, That makes him It's what makes agent zero, agent zero. You know exactly what's the legacy for this game? Just gild going off. We're doing. This is a regular season game. The steaks are non existent.

It's just a cool game. We're watching hot this these like next few did he have fifteen like a couple other ones, like you said, fifty four in the Suns. Yeah, and they snapped an eighteen game. Oh, he had to hit a beef with the son's coach, Yep, D'Antoni at the Olympics or something. He had a beef with the Olympic system, and we can go on with the beefs. This is a lot of beef. Where's the beef? They had a beef with his microphone two for a while and the zipper on his jacket. That's true. That was

a beef. He had a beef with the head the cordless headphones. That's true. He's a podcaster. How the fuck we knock at his audio? He had a beef with the camera on a podcast. The camera was on his neck for a while. I mean, the guy, he loves beef. He's my kind of guy. I like burgers. He was. I still like beef. I still think about this era and how much joy he gave me to watch him. I mean, he really was just fun to watch, just an incredible player. And then I think it underappreciated and

somewhat forgotten player from this era. I think you don't hear his name enough for how good he was. And it goes into that category just like you know, bib. You know you don't win one, You're not really getting the recognition. There's only like a few. You have to be super elite for a long time, like Dan Marino or Charles Barkley for guys that didn't win it, sure that get remembered. Patrick Ewing, guy, you know what I mean. There's a lot of guys you have to you have

to like, and I feel bad for those guys. John Stockton, Stockton Malone. I liked that they didn't win one. Yeah, me too. Fuck the Utah Jazz Dude, I'm fucking Mitt Romney's dumb Khakis at his game with his jersey on. I don't give a shit about Utah. So like good people, and I do like the crowds there, but really nice people. Yeah, and a lot more diverse than I thought. Hooked up with the Mormon ones there and she was like blown away that I had body hair. She was like, oh

my god, you're so Jewish. And I was like, this is like the bar is so low. It's amazing. They're very Scandinavian out there. They are. They're very like blonde hair, blue eye. Oh yeah, Joseph smith Man, you come in whit you come and look at ethnic, look at ethnic. You know you're a looking Jew like me. They're just like, what the fuck is this? It's great. Sixty is the most anyone ever scored on Kobe so that is that is huge. That's you think about the great players who

went against Kobe. You weren't getting it. Kobe took it personal. He did. You came to the Staples Center. This was in the Staples Center. He took it personally. And you know what do you call himself the black mongoose? Goilber's the black mongoose because the mongoose can eat the snake the mambas. I feel like he said fifty to fifty. I feel like the mongoose owns a snake. We could look into that jack when we do, when we forget, But like, do you feel like the mongoose owns this snack?

I just read that a lady went missing in like Indonesia and they found her in a boa constrictor's body. Damn. Like she's fifty four. Her husband saw a big fat snake like half of a body. It's gotta be a rough way to go. Just squeeze you to death and then it just swallows you. Is that how they do it? That's how they do it, damn or was it anaconda? It was one of the two, but regardless, that's crazy lasting image. Yeah, what's the image of sticks with the

other game. To me, it's just almost like Gilbert and those ugly ass jerseys, which he thinks are awesome. He said he went off every time he was in them. He loved them. I think the I don't know how you guys feel. I think they're the most hideous jerseys. But it's gil and the ugly jersey just elevating with a jump shot. That's how that's the image to me. Yeah, I'd agree those jerseys are Do anyone else know, Jack,

I'm not a fan. I mean, there's it almost goes in that category though, that they're so ugly, they're kind of cool now. I just I'm not a huge fan of any of the Wizard's jersey. I think the old Bullets jerseys, the Reds are pretty fucking up. Those are bad ass. Red, white and blue Bubs. You apparently you can, I don't. I think the Pats jerseys are cool, honestly, but I don't like the No. The classics are not bad. Classics are insane. Reds, Yeah, Reds are awesome. They Red

is a cool jerse. The new ones are the blue on blue. I guarantee they won't be using those gray pants again because they hadn't worn them in two years or something, and they just got blown out on Monday Night football by the Chicago Cubs. I mean that's not their name, no, but they're kind of they're baby Bears. Yeah, you don't think of the eighty five Bears when you're looking at this this this Bears team. Let's just say that. And the Pats got blown out when we supposed to

do Jay Cutler's podcast. What happened with that? Speaking of Bears, I don't know, but I love Jay. Yeah, we never were supposed to do that. Jay is a likable Aaron Rodgers. Is it like as far as like they both have that kind of like arrogance, you know, like they both Aaron Rodgers away better quarterback, don't get me wrong, but like you know what I mean, you know that Jay would call out his teammates. He just sat there like you had a cigarette, miserable face. Remember the cigarette memes

that he always to have. He always had a cigarette in his mouth showed show. Uh. Yeah, what what do you make of this? Aaron Rodgers shit? Right now? I know this is like an Evergreen pop but I want to I mean it's pretty crazy, right, Yeah, I don't know, it's there're different types of leadership skills. I guess look at it. Do you think this just should just started? Though?

When they didn't retain Devonte Adams and he was like, what the fuck, dude, Well, you can't retain someone when you get as big of a contract as as Aaron got. So so what do you think you think? I think he's about, you know, trying to make money right now. Yeah, like let's call a spade of spade. Yeah. Does he want championships? No, he got one twenty years ago, twelve, you know. And I love Aaron Rodgers of he's the

most talented guy ever, but he's not ever. When you when you see the ball come off his hand, it's pretty. It's pretty sexy. More talented than Brady as far as like just straight pure throwing, and like it's just it's pretty. It's sexy. No, he's a great player, I'm not denying, But the thing is Brady like, he's more talented than Mahomes or Alan. I would say. His accuracy is pretty damn his arm is pretty elite. It's Peyton manning. Peyton Many wasn't known for his arm, really, He's more known

for the cerebral sight. Of it. What do we forget, Jack, We got a couple here. Gabe Davis was indeed doesn't indeed hold the record for most TV receptions in a playoff game. Yeah right, brother, spot on over here in the nat GEO corner, the mongoose is practically guaranteed to win against a black mambas. So what I'm saying he said it was fifty to fifty, Yeah, mongoose, Droy's mambas. He's probably trying to be PC. I don't think that

guy's PC. I don't think he's PC at all. I love I also love when Jules said that, Uh asked Gil if he made more money his last year at Arizona than his first year in the pros very basketball, shack making more money in college, very basketball. Very good question. It was an honest question. I mean, she's I've seen it basketball. We need to do a basketball episode of that. I am fighting to get Trey and matt On and we talked. I feel like they don't like that movie.

They have to love it. I don't think they like it. I love it. I love it. I love them. I think South Park, Bigger, Longer, and Uncut is a top five comedy of all time. It's a masterpiece everything of what they do. They're They're Phenomenalica Team America is great. They're no, they're the best. How did they have they not been thrown thrown out? Oh yet? Were grandfathered in? Dude? Grandfathered in? Yeah, dude, And if people try to throw

them out, we will fucking rally in the streets. The mister Jackson ship is so funny on that damn show. So good. And then one mister Hanky, No, mister Jackson was Michael Jackson was a good one. Mister Jefferson and mister Jefferson, Mister Jefferson, I love Chef. I was so sad when Chef left, although the way they killed him off was pretty badass. It's sad though, because Isaac Hayes died and I feel like they never passed it up. Fucking scientology dude. Yeah, he was cool, making fun of

everybody else, made fun of Jews, black people, Ethiopians. Can't let ya. And then one last on the those Saudi Nights Jerseys as we called him, Bill loved them. They only lasted three years. They're awful. I'm hilarious. He loved them. He loved them, He looked at us like we had a dick on our forehead. I know which I think would look better than those jerseys. Honestly, that's how bad. I would rather have a dick on my forehead than like an actual dick or a painted dick. Painted. I

don't want actual. I didn't know we're going to dissect this one. I don't know. I just I was thinking about it. What's the name of the game. He called it the speed Limit Game, which I love. I love the name is sixty. I would think I'd think of it as Gilbert's sixty piece on Kobe. That's that's how I think of the game. But I do love the speed limit. What do you think the black Mongoose game? Black mongoose? All right, let's do it. Steaks. Steaks are

nothing and a three and a half start. That's still Gilbert versus Kobe regular season. These were the two superstars. We're going three to five, Okay, but that's that's fair. No, Kyle of makes a good point. They were both five hundred teams. These aren't high school year? Is this? This was? Oh six six? You're right? I think I'm too eight. Maybe you're right. No steaks, No steaks. Star power is high because we got there was beef. Kobe steaks, but

there was beef. That's my See, I hang out with the comic and I'm just getting fucking funnier by the second. That was clever. That was good. Okay, Kyler's trying to lower the score of everything today. I don't like this. Uh, star power is high, man. We got we got Kobe, we got Odum, we got Arenas Kron Butler. Yeah, but it's not shocking Kobe. No, we're not going that high. But Nicholson's there, he was there. Nicholson raises anything he gets,

He gets you a point easy. He's like, he's like a he's like a four four point guy for the spread for like an NFL team. If he doesn't play, you're dropping four points in the spread. Or if he does play, you're getting for me. Is he Josh Allen right now for star power? Star power? No? For for points in the spread. I don't think he's Josh Allen high right now because this is in seventies, or because this was late two thousand. Oh dude, he's even bigger

because it's like the Legend of Jack. I think two thousand and six Jack is even bigger, is it? Yeah, thinking about Chris, Chris Men was out there. Chris min is a big name, dude, star power. A seven point eight, that's fair. That's the first school. Kyler's alright, reluctant, all right, reluctant. Seven eight. Gameplay is a good game if we're just going pure gameplay over time, a comeback forty five from Kobe, sixty from I'm going like eight seven. If we're just

doing gameplay, it's it's great. It was good. It was It was fun basketball, fun regular season basketball. The name is not high either. This is not going to be a high what's the name the Black Mongoos game. I like the name. It's funny. It does score points for being funny. It's not iconic. So how are we are we raking it ranking on being iconic or funny? The speed limit of the black mamboo, black mongoose. We already we already locked her in the black Mongoose game. So

I don't know, like a six to zero. It's a funny name, yeah, and it's got some it's got some story behind it, you know, in some like national geographic type shit. Yeah, this is a low score though, Yeah, I mean it's still no shark week. Six to three, all right, respectable, it's a regular This actually, for a regular season game, is a pretty respectable score. Yeah, by two teams under five hundred. Yeah, but they did have two ballers that we all loved watching at that time

of basketball. So I almost part of me wants to go higher on gameplay. But it's locked in. We can't do any it's locked. Once it's locked, it's locked. We can always review it. The mid season review show, Mid season review show. Right behind this one lands us right behind the twenty eleven Stanley Cup Final that came in at a six ' five just ahead of the Giants National Belt Dumper Game, as it was known, eighteen innings in the NLD Belt Dumpers worse than this, I would

agree with that. I agree, I agree this is a way. That was a fucking snooze fest. That game, alright, and it was fun as hell, but that game was a snooze fest. Guys upset the Canucks game had a riot, So that was and we ranked this higher than the Canucks. Just just sorry, hockey, sug hockey, that's right. What do they call hockey? Guys? Puckheads? You got seam heads for baseball football. I didn't even I've never even heard seam heads. What are dimple heads for golfers? Hoop heads makes sense?

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