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Game On Rewind: Joe Dolan from FantasyPoints.com joins the show! 2023-8-8

Aug 08, 202317 min
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So with that said, from fantasy points, that's your intro music. Welcome back in, my friend. Hey, don't be hating on the Fuel. Now I'm over here air drumming. Hey man, I think everybody kid sing that song, whether or not they want to admit it. They know the flo It's everybody's got one of those. You know, my wife is not a town she's doing academic, smart people stuff. And I'm I'm literally I'm

sitting here with my dogs. We were out of power for three hours yesterday, off the street here and uh and and then I realized, you know what, like nine o'clock, I parking back on it, and I'm like, I'm gonna put on some nineties music videos and then like you know, stuff comes up. I'm I love that. That's my wedding. My first answers to the Smashing Pumpkins, so of course, you know, I'm listening

to that and I'm loving. And then the kid's going through like the YouTube algorithms, going through nineties videos and Fuel comes on and I'm like, oh, and now I'm sitting there and I'm like, yeah, you know, but yes, I grew up in the ninety so so those are the teams that were rocking on MTV when I was when I was welcome to TRL from the England Studios. Joe Dolan is one of the best fantasy analysts on the planet. Let's shift the football. FG underscored Dolan on Elon Muski's app whatever

the hell it's called now twitter X. I don't know, Joe. Let's talk some fantasy man. What a bonanza down in New Orleans. I mean, you've got Alvin Kamara that's gonna miss, you know, three games with the suspension, and they're looking to bring in Kareem Hunt. I'm hearing it's happening and hearing it's not officially happened yet. So what's the latest on not just the New Orleans outlook, but the fantasy implications of Alvin Kamara's absence there?

Well, first and foremost, I think if you were to ask Space fans, and I know I'm gonna going to take a wild guest and say there's not a lot of level off between Panther stands and Saint Sam, you'd be correct, maybe not as much as between Falcon stands and State fans, But I think Stewart to ask them, they would be pleasantly surprised that the suspensions three games. You know there is there is at one point a felony charge for the assault regarding the fight outside of the laws Vegas club, and

I was going to take six games minimum. He gets only three games. Now. This morning, Diana Rassini of ESPNI comes out. He says the Saints expect to sign Kareem Hunt following their visit. Well, somebody forgot to tell Kareem Hunt that. Because I'm not doubting the report from Diana Rassini, I'm wondering if somebody from the Saints told her they expect to sign them.

But Karee Hunt had other ideas. Maybe he looks at Indianapolis as being a place where and then that was goodly from Healthfare reported He's going to visit Colts and maybe he's used Indianapolis as a place where he might have a better try a playing time because of the absolutely bizarre Jonathan Taylor saga. So Kareean Glenn. The fact of the matter, though, is by most of our metrics at Fantasy Points data, which we chart ourselves, he was mediocre last year.

He was actually downright poor as a receiver in the efficiency department and that was kind of where he made his head. You know, those of us in fantasy football get frustrated about a Nick Chupp's role because a target in PPR fantasy footballs were two point five times as much as a carry, and Nick Chumps didn't get targets because Kareem hump was playing on third downs. So he wasn't even really good in that regard behind a pretty good Brown's offensive line.

So I'm not sure Kareem Hunt has a whole lot left, but there are guys you know, at this stage of their career they go to the right spot and they're able to produce. And the one thing Kareem Hunt has had in his career is to trust the coaches to play on third downs and those are the money dames. That's when that's when passing plays are affatue. Like I said, a target's worth two and a half times as much as a

carry for running mass in fantasy football. So those are money down and the Kareem Hunt word of stein with New Orleans that would give a hit to Jamal Williams the better in the lall bit of a hit while samarrab out and it would be a huge blow to Hendry Miller, the rookie at a PCU who's still working his way back from a knee injury in Indianapolis. There might be a pathway for him to start. So maybe that's what Kareem Hunt is looking for. But we have to wait to see what's going on and where he

signs. And that Jonathan Taylor saga, Yeah, the Jonathan Taylor saga is interesting. On that note, Joe, do you see any end in sight in the near future for Jay Taylor there? And he said, I mean, he says a great production there in indian now, and you know they're looking to move on. He wants a trade and now he's stepping aside for some type of rehab and clean up. What's the latest on Taylor and do you see a destination maybe for him in the near future. Well, I

mean, he has to prove he healthy. They threw out there that he failed to fiscal or couldn't make it through a back injury, and then he comes out on Twitter last week and said I never had a back injury. They're complaining about a back injury. He has an ankle clean up in the off season in the winter, we have we have a doctor of physical therapy who contributes to our our team at fantasy points. And he said that's a two to four week recovery and he had that in the winter. Did he

have a setback? Did he have another procedure? Is this all just him dragging his feet because he wants the new contract. I mean, the fact of the matter is, and I throw my thoughts out here about the running back position. I think it's really gross how running backs are treated visa the like. Nobody's crying for or sake one Barkley understand that, but how they're treated visa v there their peers is understanding Jonathan Taylor's point. He has gone.

He is going through it in an extremely bizarre way. Though just I don't know if he's hurt. I don't know if he's just refusing to practice. He's away from the team to get treatment. Does he not trust the team? This is one of those things where if I'm a fantasy football and I can only stare the facts in the face, I don't know how hurt or not Jonathan Taylor is. What I do know is he doesn't have leverage.

And ultimately, even if you're a running back and you think you should be making twelve million dollars when you're making four, or you think you should be making eight million dollars when you're making two. Four million dollars is a lot more than zero, John Yeah, yeah, I mean exactly. So ultimately, I would think if he's healthy, he's going to play at least on some level. But I mean, I had to knock him down my

board. I don't know how you don't knock him down your board. And that fakes because this is a guy who was the consensus number one player in Fantasy last year before the season, gets injured for the first time, then life and now we just don't even know when the next time he's gonna play. So if I get to Jonathan Taylor in the back half of the second round, which I was, and I was clicking his name earlier in the

off season, I'm just not doing it right now. When you look at the trend with some of the quarterbacks of the past decade or so, we're talking to Joe Dolan Fantasy points dot Com, we've seen the influx of mobility with the position, and now you have Anthony Richardson with the aforementioned Colts,

You've got obviously Jalen Hurts, who is a machine on offense. What's the fantasy impact there in terms of looking at players that can do multiple things at the quarterback position, not only in terms of, you know, throwing touchdowns and throwing for yards, but also picking up maybe eight nine ten rushing touchdowns a season for you. So there's there is a point that we've kind of

crossed the room econ. In each of the last few seasons, there has been a quarterback who's got a little bit of dual threat ability who has been just unbelievably undervalued by the community. Writ large Patrick Mahomes. I don't think people really think of Mahomes as a dual threat, but he's got that ability to run around and score rushing touchdown twenty eighteen, his first year as a starter, he was You were able to wrapt him in the double diget rounds.

Twenty nineteen. Lamar Jackson wins the MVP, but remember he had that terrible playoff game against the Chargers. You were able to draft him in the double diget rounds twenty twenty. Josh Allen, coming off two shaky seasons, you were able to draft him in the double digit rounds twenty twenty one, Jalen Hurts had four starts at the end of the year for the Eagles mixed

bag. You were able to draft him in the double diget rounds. Twenty twenty two, Justin Fields, you were able to draft him in the double diget rounds. And when I said double diget rounds, but you mean the like seven, eight, ninth, at eleven, you know, somewhere around

there. But you will consider a cheap fantasy pick this year. What I would say is Justin Fields is most similar to Jalen Hurts of twenty twenty in which Hurts played at the end of the year, showed some potential, but really ultimately showed he had a lost things that he needed to work on as a passer. He comes out a nominal fantasy season, but probably still doesn't

progress the way you want as a passer. And now Jalen Hurts is going in the second third round of fantasy I have him as my number one overall quarterback. Justin Fields has not shown really anything as a pastor, I mean, but he is still one of the five most expensive quarterbacks in fantasy drafts because we saw that rushing potential and people don't want to miss that next Lamar

Jackson season. They don't want to miss that next Jalen Hurt season. And the difference is that a couple of years ago, justin Fields would would be two three round cheapers than this because people are like, oh, we camp brow like they did with Josh Allen a couple of years ago. So you're paying an absolute premium to get these guys. That mid round quarterback who's going

to break leagues probably doesn't exist anymore. And you mentioned the name. If there is a guy who's going to do it, and when I say break leagues, there's two things at him. Number One, they produce insane numbers at the quarterback position. But number two, they're able to break leagues because they're so cheap and Fantasy draft that you're getting really good players at other positions. If I Jalen Hurts, is I have Jaalen Hurts projected to score more

Fantasy points than literally anybody. But the problem is at the quarterback position. First and foremost quarterbacks score more than anybody anyway, and that's just the nakes for the position, and the supply outweighs the demand. The one player who has the ability to do that where you can load up on other players at the beginning of the draft is Anthony Richardson. So there are a couple of problems here. Anthony Richardson is not guaranteed to be the cold starting quarterback.

I think you will be, but he's not guaranteed to be. We don't know that Anthony Richardson is any good you might see. But you know, last year at this time, Trey Lance was the eighth round pick Tray and Lance might not even be the backup quarterback on the forty nine ers now. So there's a lot going on with that position and the opportunity, your ability to get a true dual fret quarterback, which are becoming, I mean in vogue sounds like are going to go out of style. I don't think they're

going to go out of style. But what's happening is all these running quarterbacks. And I even extend that to somebody like Trevor Lawrence, who is who's probably more than the Mahomes area. Get a couple hundred yards, maybe three or four touchdowns from him, he's moving up draft boards. The guys who are moving down draft boards are I inevitably call them the Kirk Cousins tier,

and it's just guys to win exclusively with their arms and good receivers. Kirk Cutting, Dak Prescott, Jared Gop all these guys are getting kind of clubbed together. And those guys are all viable starting fantasy quarterbacks. They just don't have the ability to completely rerecor league and reck a week for you. Once upon a time, Joe Dolan was in charge. I'm reading here of producing the initial depth charts for teams. And in case you don't know, Joe

Dolan, Fantasy points dot Com joins us here on the English sideline. They're they're all being distributed today here down at Walford Panthers camp. But we just got to look at what's happening in this interesting observations there. But help our fans here, listeners understand what is the initial depth chart and what is it not? Okay, So I want to I want to at least give you to give you some insight here. I didn't produce the depth chart for the

Philadelphia Eagles. I simply was the one who put them on the website. But I just wanted to tell you how little priority the team the team put in the official depth chart because it was literally I mean I got hired by Philadelphia Eagles as an intern in June of two thousand and eight, right after a graduated college. By July, which was the start of training camp. I was the guy who was publishing the official depth chart on the website.

They asked me that that's how important they they they they considered that twenty two years old. Hey don put up the depth chart, this run with it, and I am so. The big one that came out today was Adam Scheffer says, I've never seen or on a depth chart. That was the Buccaneers their course starting for Yeah, they missed the Adam, they missed the Matt Rule experience because that was the Yeah Baker Mayfield College Football chart. Thank

you, yes, uh and so. And then there's a couple ones and the big one that came out today, and we'll talk about the Panthers, the official death chart. The Falcons have Bejean Robinson listen at the first time to panic. Yeah, come on, come on, boy, I'm just telling you, Trey. It just coaches are like Arthur Smith is going to be asked about this BS thing and you're gonna be like last year, and you know, like, that's what he's gonna say, and Besan Robinson's gonna

come out and carry the ball twenty five times. That's the typical Arthur Smith moved with the new mustache sport that says an Arthur Smith, Hey, you gotta earn it kind of move. Look, we know what it is. Yeah, so Beth Robinson's gonna Cary Abull twenty five times. But I will say this, David Newton covers the Panthers free at panop. Sure you're well aware. He do notice on the pants on the Panther's depth chart that Jonathan

Mingo is listed as one of their top three wide receivers. And I think David said, despite struggling with rob John, I haven't been to Panther's camp. I don't know if you could tell me has Jonathan Mingo struggle, you wouldn't frame it that way. But I respect Dave Newton. Yeah, okay, all right, So that is when I do take notice John, when a rookie is ahead of a guy like Paris Marshall, who we're going to

meet. Point out, Harris Marshall is in the best ship, and it's like, but when a rookie who's not like a Jonathan Mingo I thought was a good prospect. He was a second round pick. He wasn't a high first round pick, you know, like like the high first round pick you might anticipate would be listened as a starter on the depth chart. That's what I do take notice, because I'm like, Okay, the coaches went out of their way to tell a pr person Jonathan Mingo is a starter on this

depth chart. It probably doesn't mean anything. That's when I do take notice. So I'm gonna be interested to see where Jonathan Mingos playing in the preseason is. Is he playing with the first string. I would expect he's gonna get plenty of reps. But that's certainly something that I'm going to keep be keeping my eye on what i think. Joe. Let me give you the sound of Frank Reich, who I talked to just a few hours ago in person, him looking at the wide receiver depth chart. Here, here's live

audio of it. He said today, point blank, to your point, there is no true number one in this offense. Is what makes the Reich Andy Reid Peterson thing go is that there's so many things you can turn to. But I do think that Mingo look, he is impressed. He's had a few drops, as has you know Marshall at times. Marshall had a great day today, So it's sort of like recency bias, all boy, we're all into the terrorist Marshall hype. Look at you will find out obviously

when the Jets come to town over the next couple of days. Joe, we got to hit a break man. Let's tease what's going on at Fantasy Points. Give us all the information how people can subscribe and get the latest fantasy football buzz from you guys out there. Well, then you give a Fantasy points dot com. This is Draft week. At Fantasy points dot com. We have our staff is producing draft plans for every possible kind of league

you could you could expect. Our guy, John Hampton, who's our publisher who's been in the industry for thirty plus years, released his draft plan this week. Scott Barrett released his my Guy part with his favorite pasty draft. I've been working behind the scene, joh I don't know you're a fantasy guy. I don't know if you've ever played in an auction or salary cap league. I'm releasing my auction salary cap draft plan tomorrow. We're gonna have a

super flux draft plan. We literally have everything you need to get ready for the fantasy draft. Love it. We'll tweet it all out for you. Joe Dolan, right up the hill there and Traveler's rest, my friend. Let's get you in studio here soon. My buddy, well, i'd get you on a bark school John. Let's we'll have to work on that. Well, we'll collaborate. Joe, have a good one man. Stay safe up there. It's Joe Dolan.

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