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I'm so pleased you recognized where that came from. I think this is like the third time that's happened in the entirety of the what like two or three years we've been recording. There was I think that when I used maps once you got that one. To be fair, my musical references are different than Lauren and Joe's musical references. That is generally true. Speaking of Joe, he is not with us today, as you probably guessed from the fact that he did not chime in. Joe McCormick, our third

co host, will be very soon. In the meanwhile, if you couldn't tell, we're talking more about robots. Yeah, we mentioned in our last episode that we were having a duo robot conversation this week, and in fact, this topic that we're going to talk about today, robot security guards, was a suggestion from Joe himself, and so we hope to do justice to the topic, Joe, and we look forward to you being back in the studio very soon. So let's talk about robots and security guards and and

and robot security guards. Yes, because well, okay, we've talked many times on the show before about the amazing and sometimes strange ways in which robots are taking over traditionally human work, the type of human work that frankly just stinks, uh, you know it worked that's physically hard or repetitive, or dangerous or just boring. Yeah, and all of those things are detrimental to a person's sense of self worth. They

can affect job satisfaction. Like if your job ends up devolving into something that is repetitively dangerous, obviously, that can have a profound effect on you stress, either physical or emotional or both. And even if it's just dull, if it's just boring and repetitive, then that can have an effect on you as well, a big negative impact. Absolutely. And okay, so so security why is security this type of a field, this type of field in which we

would potentially want to get robots into. Well. Well, uh, some some background factoids on security. According to the U. S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were about a million human security guards employed around the United States as of Um. They generally make about twelve or thirteen bucks an now or on average patrolling and monitoring premises for suspicious behavior

and crime. And they're important because even even in this world of ours that is increasingly rigged with security cameras everywhere, security guards, you know, having having a physical person with a physical presence can absolutely be a deterrent to crime, right, I mean a camera might deter a criminal, it might not. And if the criminal has decided to go ahead and commit said crime, perhaps they've got a mask on or something, they feel fairly confident that the camera's not going to

be able to figure out their identity. What's the camera gonna do? Not not a whole lot, just going to record like it usually does the same thing it does every night, pinky yeah. Um. And furthermore, as we know from every heist movie ever, cameras are really easy to trick, uh, and very entertaining in the ways that you can come up with to do so. So okay, um, this job

is important, but it is not an ideal job. It is it is dangerous by nature to put your soft and fleshy body in the way of a person who's desperate or determined enough to steal or destroy property and uh and furthermore, it can just be lonely and boring and patrolling an area over and over again isn't really fun. Yeah, so it's already fitting two of the three DS that are often cited as work that is ideal for robots and not for humans. That would be the dangerous and dull.

But depending upon where you're doing your security gig, you might even hit the third D, which is dirty. Dirty meaning not just like, oh, that place is poorly maintained. But it may be that we're talking about security guards for areas like where there might be hazardous waste and you don't want people wandering into that place. But then you put a human being in danger by placing that person in close proximity with those hazardous materials. So what's

the solution. Why not put some robots there? Robots? So here's the thing, Lauren went out and started looking at this crazy, crazy company that has a security robot that's that's been active for a couple of years now, particularly over in the Silicon Valley area. But recently we saw some news coming out because he has started to use one or maybe two of these robots at one of their lots. Right. Yeah, we were inspired by this news story, and so we wanted to to look in to this

startup called night Scope, which is awesome name. Yeah. Night is in like the stabby like armored human kind of not not night the Holy Grail style. Yeah yeah, not the nighttime but the dark dark thing. Yeah. Okay. So so in this this startup in Mountain View, California, home of Google, home of Google and etcetera, UM started designing this robot that they called the K five and what they eventually brought to market is a five ft three inch three hundred pound shiny white doom egg. Yeah that's

a good way of describing it. It is conical, not comical, although I guess depending on what happens to it, that also could be the case. But but conical in shape and uh three hundred pounds, I mean this is this is not a lightweight. Yeah, I mean, I am five foot three, y'all. For for for reference and and the idea. Like, I'm thinking that I could easily like ride one of these, like a like a doo meg pony, but but I probably shouldn't. It might start making noise, but we'll talk

about that in the second Yeah, yeah, okay. So, so these things are outfitted with just a whole lot of sensors. You've got four high definition cameras in there that give it three D sixty degree vision. You've got a license plate recognition camera, four microphones, a thermal camera, a laser range finder GPS, and a weather sensor um or or an environment sensor really you should say that can monitor the temperature, the barometric pressure, and carbon dioxide levels in

the area. So what all of this does is help it find its way around, watch any humans that are in the area, detect fires very important, uh huh um, watch for license plates for potential troublemakers like a recently fired employees or like a car that seems to be casing the joint something like that, and etcetera. Um it also has Wi Fi capacity so that it can communicate

with fellow security bots and also with human personnel. Who are either remote or on the site, but not you know, like poking it right, not right, not not walking, not literally walking step by step with the robot um for furthermore, like like room bas they know when they're running out of juice and can go head back over to their

recharge station. Now was interesting to me, beyond the technology here, which is already impressive, this idea, you know, it seems fairly comprehensive for your basic uh guarding type of duties. I mean you're talking about some surveillance, some recording patrolling. Is that nine scopes come up with a clever means for generating revenue. They're not like, obviously these robots have to be mega super expensive, but they're not. They're not just saying, hey, come look at our catalog and you

see this dollar robot. How many would you like to order? Yeah? No, they they have a rental business model. So uh so the official company line and how much they cost to rent is that you should totally speak with a sales representative to find out a plan that works best for you. But but news reports have listed it at about seven dollars per robot per hour, or about sixty dollars a

year for seven surveillance. Right, So if you think, uh, seven dollars per hour for a robot, like that's probably less than what you would pay a human person, and in fact, according to averages, it is. So in that case, you've got night Scope having a sales pitch saying, well, if if your needs don't require an actual human being to be there all the time, all the time, then perhaps this robot would be a way that not only could you maintain security at your space, but you could

save money in the process. Yeah, and uh and and under under this kind of concept, they are in use by a few tech companies around the Silicon Valley area, like like qual Common and Uber we mentioned, and they were certainly in use for a demonstration at Microsoft. I'm not sure if they actually Yeah. Well, what's interesting to me is when I started doing research on this, I keep coming up with articles from different time periods, like

two years apart. They were like and every time it was like people had just discovered them right right, and I had known I had only seen them right now. So and I read a lot about robot I'm like, how did I miss this? They're glorious, to be fair, even people in Silicon Valley have missed it because every time there's another report about these robots being put in place by someone, it's like, this is amazing, it's brand new, that happened two years ago. There's a hashtag on Instagram.

I don't anyway, Yeah, that is hashtag security robot. By the way, if you'd like to look it up and see some pictures and videos of it interacting with humans. Um, so let's say that you rent a few of these. How do you set it up? How does it know where to patrol? Well, you lead it around with a wireless controller to help it build out a basic map of its patrol roots. That makes sense because it sounds adorable. It wouldn't magically have the information stored in its data banks.

It has to learn clearly, So yeah, it's it's kind of like taking an employee on a tour, right exactly, just your giant metal employee. Well, and the other neat thing is because it's a machine, it doesn't forget unless its memory gets corrupted, so exactly will always remember where everything is. Yeah, and so, and by observing its surroundings, it starts to learn, you know, where it can and cannot roll because it is a rolling machine, walking machine.

So you can defeat the security robot by with a short curb or yeah, exactly, just a just a slight ledge. It's it's kind of got the classic dollic uh weakness. Although I know, I know that today they can fly, but back in the day they couldn't know. And and the first time that a Dollek said elevate and went up some stairs, like, I was terrified. I was genuinely upset. Spoiler alert for first season of Dr Who reboot season nine.

I guess of the technically, but whatever at any rate. Um, yeah, so so you so you lead it around to to show it where it can cannot go. It will start building up its own personal database of its surroundings there. And furthermore, you can program in GPS coordinates to give it like an outline of like like a fence almost. Yeah, so it's like it's a very invisible fence that the robots not going to go beyond. All right, So all right, I've decided to rent my security my RoboCop and and

he says, your move, creep. No wait, no, I put him. I put him out there, uh, patrolling the area that we have determined. Let's say that it detects something hinky is going on. What happens next? Not a hinky thing anything but a hanky thing. Um, it phones home, and by home, I mean whatever humans are on security team at that current moment um. You can have an alert different people during different shifts, and anyone who gets an alert can tune into a live stream of what the

boat is seeing and hearing. Okay, So in other words, you whether it's you've got a team that's on site, but they are maybe they're overseeing the entire area. Like if you're talking about a really big area, you might have multiple robots to like on different floors of a building for example. Oh absolutely, Or you might even have I imagine like a like a larger security call center

that that's servicing many different robots over different businesses. Right, that would make sense, and you would have certain teams assigned to specific robots. Therefore you would get that notification. So all right, let's say that, uh, we've got the security robot. Clearly, this is something that's meant to interact with human beings, whether it's someone that needs help or it's someone who's doing something they shouldn't be doing so,

how how does the robot actually perform those interactions. Does it just like say like please don't do that? Well, yeah, yeah, because because on on the ground level, you know, like it's it's going to phone home if it senses a problem. But um, but it's it's the humans in the in the security team that are going to actually choose what what happens, like basically the robot disengages. Essentially, the robot

is programmed to not interact with humans. Um, I mean it's it's which is a strange feature because and I think that the team put really quite a lot of research and development into the physical design and the response design of this robot um too, to to make it this object that can interact when it has to. But that really isn't meant to It's not it's not interfering

with someone. It's not it's not intimidating someone who is perhaps just they're under normal circumstances or perhaps they need help and they're coming to the robot to get help. And because the robot actually can can communicate back to yeah, there's there's a button for that. If you need help, you can push a button. It's essentially an emergency call button. Yeah, exactly. So you don't want to design your robot to look like, you know, like the Queens and aren't Killbot two thousand

with spinning saw blades all over. Yeah. Yeah, You're not going to go up to that kind of robot for help. I mean also, you gotta run from that robot screaming help. Yes. Furthermore, if if your if your kid wanders up to it, that's it's bad time. It's probably you don't want so.

So you know, you wanted to make it intimidating enough to deter crime, but you don't want to make it unfriendly, cute enough that it doesn't scare people, but not so cute that people are twisted, lee willing in, or motivated to mess with it, as we have seen before in studies of human robot interaction. Uh remember that that hitchhiking robot, the one that successfully got all the way across Canada and then maybe two days into the United States before

it was stolen and disassembled. Good, good job, Pennsylvania. That tells you so much about the different cultures of Canada and the United States. Or yeah, okay. There was also a study in Japan of how people would interact with a robot that was designed to to help the elderly shop Yeah, good good robot. Kids messed with it even and perhaps because it was saying things like somebody helped

me or ouch that hurts. But I imagine in Japanese there is something tragically comical about a robot crying out saying somebody helped me, because you know, it's not really feeling anything. Yeah, it's not in pain, and that kind of makes it funny, and that kind of makes you want to mess with it more. I mean, I'm a softie, so I have a feeling that I would totally feel empathy for such a machine, but I can also see

the perverse appeal of messing with it further. Right, Yeah, there's there's really interesting and probably terrible psycho oology at work here. Um So, so the team, it seems like what was aiming to make the K five like clearly inhuman like, like clearly a a robot and not attempting to to tug on your heart strings. Right, it doesn't have big puppy dog eyes no no, no, no like that. Yeah,

but also obviously autonomous and obviously intelligent. Um So, if it's approached by a human person, it will turn turn to watch you with all of its big front sensors because it kind of kind of has a front in the back. Um, if you corner it, it will stop moving. Just I'm pretty boring anyway, Why would you want to mess with me? I pounds? Where are you gonna come on?

What are you gonna do? Stop? Um? If you keep it cornered or if you start poking at it, it will chirp at you and and also phone home like like a low level alert like hey, And then you can actually have a person say something like hey, knock

it off, we can see you. Yeah. Yeah, and if you if you try to mess with it, it'll sound an actual alarm like like not like a friendly like hey, more like a yeah, more like more like imagine the worst fire alarm you've heard at the loudest level, something akin to that, because I have seen uh it described as ear piercing Yes, uh so so yeah and and and then then that will send like an official alert to to the team managing it, and uh and the team managing it can I'm pretty sure, like I like

I wasn't clear, but but it sounds like you think that this is the case that the team can like speak to you through the robot. I mean, if you have if you have a help button, I would imagine you have to have some sort of communication back or else. All I would do is have like an elevated sense of this button is doing nothing and we just beak behind the curtain. Laurenen Lauren wrote, and I recorded an episode of brain Stuff about placebo buttons. That's one case

where you don't want a placebo button. No, No, that's emerge as they call. You want a real effective button. Yeah, that would be very, very upsetting. So my guess is, while I didn't see anything specifically, uh yeah, common sense would dictate there has to be some sort of speaker

through which people could could talk. And I would imagine that you would that would become useful both in a security feature where you say, hi, we're you're under surveillance, don't do that, go away, or we we heard you were sending police or ambulance or whatever the emergency might be to your location right now, and we'll stay on the phone with you that kind of stuff. Yeah. Um, but but there's also a list of things that will will absolutely not do. Yeah, it won't physically interact with

a person. It's not gonna it's not gonna roll up and be like, hey, back off, dude. I likely did the universal fronting like pull me back, coming back. Yeah, that's not going to do that. Um. The closest you will get to any sort of physical interaction is that alarm, which is powerful enough for you to perhaps and sound is technically a physical phenomenon. So I guess by then you could say that's how it gets physical with you. But it doesn't like like, it doesn't have a little

zapper that comes out allah r two D two. No, it's not weaponized in any way. It's it's not it's not more about that one in just a moment. It's not going to mess with you back. Um. And I'm delighted by by the existence of this thing, a little bit creeped out. Um. You know, the fact that it can look me right in my beady eyes. You know,

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about that. I also the fact that they one of the owners of the company or one of the creators of the robot, in one interview, said like it's the absolute minimum height that it could be in order to Um, to look around a parking lot, and I was like, absolute minimum. You can't be any shorter, Lauren, you will be lost

in every parking lot. Um. Well, one of the things that makes me think about is that, Well, on the one hand, and like you get into the discussion about, yes, this is taking a job that is not the greatest job for a human being, But on the other hand, you're like, well, there are human beings who are depending upon jobs like these in order to make a living. So there's there's two sides of that point. You would hope to be able to come up with a means,

and it's beyond the scope of nights scope. It's beyond their scope to come up with the means, But you would hope you could come up with some way of getting those people who would otherwise be be out of a job into a different line of work or some other related field so that they could continue to make a living and contribute to society while also not being put in physical harm or in a situation that's going to be soul sapping because it's so dull and repetitive.

The robot is not going to care, so so it's up to us to care. Yeah, I also I like the idea of a robot being able to to record everything, uh perfectly, like with video and audio. Uh. Once upon a time, Laren, before I worked at How Stuff Works, by about ten years, I had attempt job working for a security a private security firm. My job was to transcribe security officer reports, handwritten reports, so that they could be filed in the computer system. And that was not

the best or most rewarding job I've ever had. The people who were working there were perfectly earnest and hard working, and I give all the credit to them. They were not writers, and sometimes deciphering what they were writing, not just like physically deciphering what a word was, but trying to figure out what they've meant. Um, I'll have to tell you the story of Cookie after this podcast. I tell it now, but it would be such a huge tangent that it would be a waste of time, so

I'll tell you afterwards. But but you wouldn't have to worry about that because the robot would be recording everything. So that of data and having a cont tenual stream of that data at a certain point becomes a little bit of a big data problem. Um, But it's probably a good problem that many companies would love to have, well, especially if you have to pursue a legal claim against someone, because you're not relying upon uh eyewitness account or a

security person's account of what happened. For a stationary camera's footage right where you might not have a good view, you've got a three degree view, a mobile view, because they can move to wherever the problem is or somewhere where has a better line of sight of where a problem might be and have a recording of that thing that is incredibly valuable, well beyond like an eyewitness account, which we know is not entirely or even largely reliable

or scientifically. Yeah. Absolutely, um. But but this, this night Scope K five is not the only security bot out there. No, I found a couple of others. There's the Avatar three security robot from Robotex. It's t e X for the

into that word. But it's twenty four by fifteen point inches by six point fourteen inches, which is about sixty two by thirty nine by fifteen point six centimeters, so a little bit more than two ft long, a little bit more than a foot tall, and bigger than a bread box half Yeah, yeah, and uh it looks like a like a little tread robot, Like it's got treads to propel it, so don't we Well, it's got wheels, but wheels to turn the tread like so to treads

kind of like a tank. It's got a little kind of glass dome on the top that has all the cameras and sensors on it, and a pull for an antenna to connect to WiFi. This one is under manual control. It's not intended to be autonomous, but it would allow someone to patrol an area without having to leave their they're nice air conditioned security room, for example. Oh yeah,

you're to check out a situation that could potentially be dangerous. Yeah, if it's if it's something where, you know, maybe someone spotted a box and you're like, well, let's get a closer look before we call in any authorities. Yeah, because it may just be that, oh, someone accidentally set their stuff down while loading things into a car and then drop off for getting it. Or it could be that it's clearly a package of ramen. Yeah, then let's not

let's call the swat team. Uh. So it's a little different, it's not it's not like the K five and that's the K Fi've been semi autonomous, mostly autonomous, really, But then you have the a mott a n bot from China. Now, this one is a little shorter and and and about half the weight of the K five. It's one point five meters tall, which is about five ft and ways seventy eights are about a hundred seventy two pounds. It's

also cone shaped. In fact, it looks a lot like the K five, to the point where I start to wonder if this is one of those cases where one person maybe possibly copied down an idea of someone else had. It could very well be that these are parallel forms of development that have nothing in connection with each other. Happens frequently remarkably similar designs. However, um to the point where when I looked at the first picture, I thought, well, why do they have a picture of the K five

on here? And then I was like, wait, that's not the K five. That's central and but um so uh. It is meant to patrol areas prone to civil unrest, according to Newsweek, at any rate, and it is autonomous, and that it can patrol an area, has obstacle avoidance technology, and it is able to go back to like a recharging point in charge itself. But it is also quote equipped with weapons, although to be fair, those weapons must be manually operated by someone. So it's not like the

robot just decides to hit you. Yeah, that's that's a much better option. Someone controlling the robot has decided to hit I guess, depending upon who's controlling the robot. The weapon, by the way, is an electrically charged right controlled tools, so essentially like a stun gun or a cattle prod something along those lines. So it is like the zapper from R two D two popping out and giving someone

a jolt of electricity. But if that ever does happen to you, if you are ever zapped by an and bot, it's because somebody controlling it doesn't like you or doesn't like what you're doing. It's not because the robot didn't. Yeah, unless the robots malfunctioning in some way. If you see an and butt in China and there's a little protrusion extending from it and sparks are coming off, just walk the other way, yeah, don't. You don't need to go

in that direction anymore. There are other places they're China is big there's a lot of stuff to see. Yeah, so anyway, um, I thought that was interesting. But there are of course tons of robots that sort of fall into the spectrum of security. But but most of them are really not meant to be security robots. They are robots that have features on them that can be part of security system. Typically we're talking about cameras, so vacuum

robots that happen to have a camera on them. While they don't necessarily need the camera for doing the vacuum job, but it allows you to go through an app and see what's going on in your house while the vacuum robot is active and it acts as sort of a surveillance camera. So really it's it's not so much a security robot. It's more like just a webcam. Well it's it's a robot that does Yeah, it's it's on the it's on the light end. It's in the spectrum. But

this is just where we are. Now, where are we going?

This is forward thinking think about the future. Uh yeah, well, I mean okay, like we were saying earlier, this this could potentially if we if we follow this out into having full fledged security robots, we we were gonna have to deal with a with a with a job deficiency UM and and Night Scope says themselves that that robots like the K five are not intended to replace human security guards certainly not yet UM, but rather to keep them out of harms away as much as possible, and

to arm them with better ADUTA about the environment that they're guarding. But but what if we do create robots that are sufficient enough to replace replace HUM human staff Like they they have the features that will allow them to do a security guards job without the need for the team team right right now, nothing to to make the decisions or to come out and zap people themselves. It would be tough, uh tough for many many reasons. One of the big ones that we've said it other episodes.

There's some things that humans can do really well, like naturally well we you learn how to do it as a kid and you do it for the rest of your life, and robots are not good at those things. So, for example, the K five isn't really great at staying upright on uneven ground. There was one or one article I read where they talked about as they were chatting with a representative in the background, they saw a K five get too close to the edge of like a curb and tilt over, and it doesn't have arms. It

can't push itself back out. It can't. Yeah, so then you have to pick up a three pound robot and put it back on its base. Um, not necessarily easy to do. And the Darbo robot challenge that we talked about in a previous episode, Yeah, the best people in the world working on robots that can do a multitude of tasks are still pretty crap at making robots that

can walk around. Yeah, like that. It's hard to make a robot that can climb stairs or open a door and step through things that that most people find you know, at least, if if not effortless, at least not so challenging. It's impossible, right, but there are robots that literally like you can watch that that video clip of the robot fails of the Darba challenge, and usually it's set to yakety sax, which makes hilarious and also sad at the same time. But it's it's crazy to see the little

things that robots just find incredibly challenge JNG. And you start when you start to think about you realize, yeah, replicating what humans can do creating a machine that can operate within a human world, a world that we have shaped, that that we able bodied more or less average sized

humans have shaped. Right, It is not easy to do that. Um. So Also we have to point out security guards would likely need at minimum the basic skills of a typical, able bodied human, and maybe more than what just a typical person would be capable of doing, depending upon the type of security guard and the type of gig right, and and plus in addition to that, if you don't have that team of people that it can phone home to in order to make decisions for it, you need

the capacity to autonomously decide when, when someone's a threat, how much of a threat they are, and then how to stop them. Um. Computers only just learned how to identify cats. Yeah, I'm not sure how long it's going to take us to get to a design of of that level of decision makeing and intelligence until I can encounter a robot that not only knows what what cats are, but can tell you don't go see the show cats, it's really not that great, and furthermore, don't scritch its

belly immediately. Cats. Yeah, there are a lot of like a lot of subtle things. I think exactly that if a robot isn't able to tell me what those are, I'm not going to trust it to be guarding something of supreme importance, especially in a way that is at least in a way that's not going to hurt somebody, Right, which brings us to the next point, the idea of security guards occasionally have to use some form of force

in order to protect a person or protect property. Yeah. Yeah, we would be talking about designing a robot to physically incapacitate humans, and instinctively that seems bad. Yeah, I mean I mean at the very least, like potentially hazardous and litigious. Yeah, absolutely, I mean, like that goes back to our discussion from

European Union and liability. Who's liable? Well, if you've got a security robot zapping people, I mean, even if they've done something wrong, there's there's some liability issues there, and it does seem to go against those laws of robotics we talked about in our last episode do not harm humans. Yeah, that's a big one. It's right, there's number one. In fact number one that the rest of them are kind of all based on number one. So yeah, and there

exactly so. And again these are laws that robots are born with. But these are the sort of ideas we've had of saying, if we're going to go down the road of building robots, we probably want to make sure they're not going to hurt us. That seems like a pretty wise thing to build into them. Yeah, and I do think that that part of that, that intrinsic instinctive sense that we have about creating robots that could hurt

people is based in science fiction. Um, is based in all of the fun exploding movies that we see where all Arnold Schwarzenegger has a metal skeleton and Any's stomping around and terrifying the living daylights out of everyone and all of that, all of that kind of stuff that that is so far away from being any kind of reality. Even if you do create a security robot that can zat people, UM, that's that that robot is not are Schwartzenegger. Uh,

it probably doesn't even have an Austrian accent. I can't I can't be positive. I don't know. I don't know what they're up to in China. Kind of want them all to have it now. But but yeah, but you know, it's the idea of a robot running a muck is pretty pretty unlikely. Yeah, really, yeah, I mean it's yeah, we we have a ways to go before that that

becomes before Paul Paul McCartney butt is a reality. Yeah yeah, but okay, so I don't know, you know, it's like, if you're really just designing something like this to prevent crime, which is bad. Crime is bad. And if and if it's a robot that's freely good at making decisions and it definitely super never kills or maims anyone accidentally or on purpose, those would both be that would also fall into the realm of bad. Um. If all of that is true, then then it would be a good thing

to have a security robot. Right, So we just need a robot that can have like a whole bunch of arms and it just very gently hugs the criminal and holds the criminal there like they're all all arms are soft, so as the criminal is struggling to get away, he or she is not actually hurting him or herself and yet can't get away because robot also weighs like seven pounds, just like just just a giant panda robot. Is what I'm imagining that kid that can hug a criminal into submission. Yes,

I approve of this plan. I will pitch this series to sci Fi call us. Yeah, if we can get this on, we can get this on sci Fi. I think we got a future in uh in science fiction programming. No, no, I mean if if we can create this, this panda security, but you know, it's it's it means fewer humans being exposed to risky situations, which is always kind of one of those like like golden standards of how robots will do us good in the incredible future. Yeah, so there's

definitely a place for it. The question is to what extent I think. I think the K five is a great implementation of this because it is taking what appears to be a very responsible approach to incorporating robots into the realm of of security, um without causing at least initially anyway, at least at least in no obvious way

risk or danger. Yeah. So, uh, I can't wait to revisit this topic in like ten years and talk about remember our innocent days when the robots were being friendly and when we thought that panda robots were a great plan. The other day I went and by myself a Soil and Green bar and it was a little slow reaching for my money, and um, well that's why I got the cybernetic leg. Now coming up next, we're gonna talk about the future Soiler Green. This episode brought to you

by soil It. No, I mean that's I'm hoping that's not going to be the way this show isn't ten years but we'll find out. Um, maybe thought that would be a really interesting accent for you to spontaneously developed. Well, it may be one of those that's mandated by our robotic rewards. Like Jonathan, you have to have a weird cartoonish accent for the rest of your life, at least

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