What does HAARP do?

and I'm Joe McCormick. And you know, guys, I did a an episode of Forward Thinking, the video show Now that long ago where I started talking about the possibility of weather controlled devices, and uh, you know, it turns out weather is pretty complicated stuff that has a lot of energy involved in it. But there were a lot of people who who said, why are you talking about this is If this is a possible future thing, we've got one right now, And they all came up with

the same example. Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah, I believe you're talking about a program called HARP, which is a big machine up at the North Pole that's run by reptilians and transdimensional reptilian Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about, secretly run the world. And uh, I mean yet it causes all kinds of things like like earthquakes have mind control. Sometimes it can hurricanes, it can

it can zap stuff right all the sky. This is all due to, uh, you know the fact that conspiracy theories run rampant on the Internet. Now we're going to actually talk about the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program better known as HARP in this podcast. Yes, like HARP, HARP. Yeah, so it's a little piratical in that sense. We're going to talk about what it really does and why there are all these conspiracy theories around it. Now, first of all, let's just get this out of the way. HARP is

not a weather control device. It's not able to create hurricanes or guide a tornado or any of that that we know of orcan sign typically proved to be in any way even feasible. Yeah, we can't even hint at really right, right, we can't. We don't even fully understand all the variables that go into creating the weather patterns that many people attribute to HARP. And we have leading scientists who are always talking about how much we do not know and how much we're still learning about these things.

So to assume that we could uh create and control a system as as destructive and packing as much energy as a hurricane is a little um yeah, because I mean hurricane can have as much energy as ten thousand nuclear bombs. That's a lot of energy. You think if we could reliably create hurricanes, we'd also have the power to stop them. Yeah, yeah, or at least steer them somewhere else, although that raises its own problems, and maybe

the interdimensional reptilians really justlike Florida. It could be. Yeah. So let's let's talk about what harp really is and we'll we'll get back to the RC theory stuff towards the end and kind of talk about what was it that even got these conspiracy theories moving in the first place. Okay, so I was wrong on lots accounts. Actually, it's not even at the North Pole is now. It's in Alaska. Well, I mean it's it's in the the general region of

the Arctic. Uh, it's in actually the southern central part of Alaska. It's not really close to anything else, which may in fact have lent itself somewhat to the conspiracy theories because it's not easy to get to or at least, you know, it's not close to anything else. It's near some I looked it up on Google Maps. It's like

near a hunting lodge or something. Yeah, I saw and if you were to look at this place, it would look like it's a forest of antenna Like they're they're various antenna fields, some of them as large as something like thirty acres of antennas that are all spaced out exactly. Uh you know, whether like eight ft apart art it's kind of and there's seventy two ft tall. I mean, this is impressive stuff. Yeah, it looks like a hazard. You jump over in Mario, fell into it, you die. Yeah, yeah,

it does. Yeah, we're talking like maybe, well really we're talking about Super Mario. But it's like it's this big field of spiky metal. Yeah. Yeah. So again it look it looks a little weird. So what's the deal with this thing? It's actually a program meant to study the ionosphere, which then raises the question, what the heck is the ionosphere? Y'all? So the ionosphere is the very outer edge of our atmosphere. It is technically a kind of a layer within an atmosphere.

Some people call it the thermosphere, and the ionosphere is part of that. So if you're going from the surface of the Earth outward, you have the troposphere, which is where all the weather happens, right that's like, you know, all the storms and everything that we think of that happens in the troposphere. Then you've got the stratosphere, which we've all heard about. That's where a lot of these weather balloons that are going even higher up to study

uh effects above the troposphere, that's where they are. It's also where you hear about things like Google's Project Loon. There's a lot of different bands of air moving at different speeds there, so you can kind of catch those to get your stuff where you want to, right right, Yeah, there there are a lot of different bands, but they

tend to behave in a very predictable way. Much less you know, you know, the troposphere, things can get a little a little crazy, you know, it gets party time in the troposphere and the stressphere, it's a little more predictable. Then you have the miso sphere, and then you have the ionosphere. So it's way out there and some like like eight kilometers or fifty miles above the surface at

its starting point. Yeah, yeah, So the ionosphere isn't at the exact same altitude over every point of the Earth. So I hear the word ion in the prefix of io sphere. Yeah, what does the ionosphere have to do with ion? Well, that would be exactly where you would expect to find charged particle that's ions. It's you know, an ion is essentially an atom that is either lost or gained an electron, and in this case we're talking about particles that have been zapped by the Sun's energy.

This is the part of our atmosphere that's absorbing some of the more harmful rays coming from the Sun, like X rays for example. Now, as it absorbs that, the particles that absorb it get more energy and become ions. Thus you have the ionosphere. And so you've got these magnetic fields that the Earth has, and you have these ions that are essentially trapped in that layer, this thin layer called the ionosphere. So it's an interesting um part

of the Earth's atmosphere. It's really useful because it helps block some of the stuff that would otherwise harm us. It also allows us to do stuff like have long range radio communication. You know, when uh, when Mark Coni wanted to send a message across the Atlantic, how are you going to do that? Because after two miles the curvature of the Earth will prevent line of sight, won't it right, And you would think radio waves travel on the straight line. How the heck could you get a

radio wave to go? It just hit the water and that's it. Now I've actually turns out that the radio wave, when directed toward the sky would bounce off the ionosphere and reflect back down to Earth, thus allowing a transatlantic broadcast. And the first broadcast was three dots, which represents the

letter S in Morse code. So that was the reason why that was possible was because the ionosphere, which at the time no one really truly understood, and we're still learning about the ionosphere because it's so far out there that our weather balloons don't get to it and our satellites are kind of above it for the most part. So that means that you know, to study it directly, we'd have to find some other means of doing it.

Enter harp as a long introduction for this for this facility, but it it warrants it right because you have to understand that really the goal here was to learn more about radio waves, about the ionosphere, about the interaction between radio waves and the ionosphere, about what causes things like auroras, which are those beautiful lights that you could see that, you know, the northern lights are what we often call them, uh, and southern southern lights in fact also happened. Uh. So

this is the layer where that stuff happens. And this is why it was you know, kind of an important way of important thing to to build to study that. But wasn't this all funded partially by the military largely? Why would the military want to know about science? An excellent question, Why would the military be interested in funding it? Well,

let me guess telekinesis wrong, so uh, you know. Although we'll get into how the military was sold on this later on this podcast, which again ties into some of the conspiracy theory stuff, but in general, really what the military was interested in was finding ways to make more effective communication systems. A couple of different reasons for this. Uh. In the nineteen fifties, so the University of Alaska started building equipment to study effects of radio waves in the

ionosphere during heavy ionic activity. So for example, or yeah, like when auroras were active. Alaska's far enough up there, but yeah, Aurora's come because of solar flares, right, you get this crazy ionic activity, You get this beautiful light show. And one drawback for communications is that sometimes radio waves get absorbed rather than reflected back. And in the nineteen fifties, if you if it meant that you couldn't have a

long distance communication active in the Arctic region. That was bad news for the United States, which at the time was engaged in what we call the Cold War with the then Soviet Union. And the idea was that if you if you can't have reliable communication, would say, an aircraft carrying nuclear weapons that's flying towards the Soviet Union in the case of worst case scenario, that could be bad. So there were there was a lot of a lot of need to study this this effect and figure out

ways around it. So there was that. There's also the Navy that was interested in this because, as it turns out, radio waves like our our average radio waves that we tend to use for communications, are not good at penetrating seawater. Seawater is conductive, it can cause some scintillation, you get this weird changes and amplitude and frequency, and in other words, you cannot reliably use radio communication for something like a

submarine that's submerged. So what do you do well, it turns out extremely low frequency and very low frequency radio waves, which have much longer wavelengths and very low frequencies, can penetrate seawater much more deeply than your average high frequency radio waves can. So if you were able to build something that could transmit these uh, these waves to a submarine, then you could issue commands that without having to worry

about making them surface first. Uh are some downsides. You wouldn't be able to have two way communication because, as it turns out, you have to have an antenna that kind of matches the length of the wavelength we're talking about here, at least in some form of ratio. Right. So ideally, if you want to resondent antenna, your antenna should be the same length as the wavelength of the radio.

And so if we're talking extremely low frequency radio waves, you're talking of a wavelength of around a hundred thousand kilometers, which is not practical for your average submarine. Even even if you were to go with a fraction, it would still be so huge you could never use a submarine. You can never have that attached to a submarine. So you might be able to use the Earth itself as part of your antenna and thus be able to eat up some of that distance that is necessary for you

to be able to transmit. But you wouldn't be able to put that on a submarine so it could it could talk back, you could send messages to it. They couldn't talk back unless they then surface so that they could use regular high frequency media waves. Okay, so all

of this is making sense. So we've got this data station and and research facility that has been sponsored by the Office of Naval Research, UM, the Air Force Research Laboratory, and DARPA and uh I believe it came online originally didn't really hit full strength until something like two thousand seven when it got the full array. Yeah, the full array of antenna's. Yeah. They had an initial smaller array of antenna's active in ninety nine and it took almost a decade for them to get up to what was

supposed to be the full facility. Uh So two thousand seven is really when they get fully operational and death Star standards. Um. But but but but it wasn't just the military. There were a lot of research facilities, right. Yeah. In fact, lots of universities were part of this and have been part of it from the beginning. University of Alaska of course is a big one. They've been very peer Yeah. Yeah, a lot of their work was stuff

that went into the Shoal approach. Uh. You also have Stanford, Cornell, U, C, L A, M, I. T. There are a lot of different universities that have been part of this project. And you know, it's there's a lot of valuable science that's going on now. From the military standpoint, they want things that are applicable, right, they want things that they can use as soon as possible to make their operations more effective. Uh. The scientists, they it's not that they don't want that,

but they also want to do exploratory science. Well, yeah, because we can never predict what all of the applications of exploratory science are going to be. I mean, when we learn things about the natural world that might just seem like, you know, pure information with no technological application, a lot of times, ten years down the road, it's like, oh, good thing, we know that, because now we can make this thing that cleans your bathtub with the power of

of puppy magic. Yeah, that's that's almost exactly how I would have raised that. Yeah, oh no, you're absolutely right.

Exploratory science by its very nature, gives rise to developments that we could not anticipate because we're exploring, right, I mean, exploring is one of those things I'm really excited about in just about every avenue because you never know what you're going to uncover and what could potentially become not only useful, but maybe it's gonna be the the core of some new technology that makes lot you know, it

could completely transform life, um as we knew it. So Okay, So so we've talked a little bit about some of the parts that that HARP includes, but what exactly is on the list here? Alright? So we gotta let's let's let's run down a list of some of the equipment at this facility. We've talked about how there are a lot of these antenna arrays, but what is exactly does

that mean? Well, first, you've got your high power, high frequency phased array radio transmitter which has the name the ion A Sphere Research Instrument or i are I, and that's specifically used to stimulate small, well defined volumes of the ionosphere regions uh nor more or less directly above the HARP facility. Yeah, it can't really range out of it. It's working sort of like a magnifying glass of the way that the array is set up so that it's

just pinpointing a very small amount of ionosphere. Yeah, in the most in the simplest terms here, you're talking about aiming radio waves up at the sky to do stuff in the ionosphere. Essentially, you're exciting the particles up in the ionosphere, adding energy to them. So in in many cases you'll hear a phrase like the I an ionosphere heater, where they're heating the ionosphere. Now in this case, it's not like they've got a whole bunch of hair dryers

and they're pointing them up at the sky. They're exciting particles exactly. They're using radio waves to excite particles. Now, when you're exciting particles, you're adding energy, they start moving around faster. Heat is essentially the movement of molecules. So really it's not that it's um misleading or anything. It's just kind of I think a lot of us think of heating like you've added some sort of heating element up there, but that's not really what's going on. The

heat is really a byproduct of everything else. The study. Yeah, so the idea here is that they use this to excite certain small regions of the ionosphere directly above the Hart facility. Uh, and then run various experiments on. Now this this does do cool things, like it creates plasma. So you get ionized gas, which is a conductive gas. Right, it's got free ions running through it. You can actually run an electrical current through plasma. So uh. And there

already are plasma bands in the ionosphere. It's not like we're introducing something that isn't already there. This is just kind of a way of studying that. So they also have a high frequency ion a sonda, also known as a chirp sounder. I love that term. And this is a type of radar. Yeah, it's they chirp at the sky. No, I wasn't laughing at the chirp. I was laughing at the first words. So that again, I on a Sanda dessert. Yeah, monsieur, the Yeah, I'm sure, be very Uh. What does a

chirp sounder do. So, it's a radar. It emits high frequency radio waves over a very wide range of frequencies, and it's specifically used to examine the ionosphere, as you would expect from iona sanda um. Uh, And so engineers would use these to find the ideal operation frequencies for two way radio communications in most cases. So in other words, you might use this to see, all right, well, this particular frequency band is going to be the most effective

considering the distance between the two communication points. Uh. Now, of course HARP is using it to really study the effects that there are other instruments have upon the ionosphere itself. Then you've got the extremely low frequency and very low frequency receivers. Uh. So, yeah, ELF and VLF. These are those frequencies I was talking about the If you're looking at the extremely low frequency range, typically we say that's three to thirty hurts, but in atmospheric science, it actually

is three hurts to three killer hurts. And then and then very low is three killer hurts to thirty killer hurts. And this is where we get into those crazy long wavelengths. So um, on the short end, if you're talking about thirty killer hurts, you're talking about around ten kilometers for your wavelength. And on the long end, if you're going all the way down to three hurts, you're talking about a hundred thousand kilometers. So these are incredibly long uh.

Radio waves, and um, this is that stuff that's going to possibly do better than than or that does do better than regular radio in in like submarines and things. It's also one of the other and this is something else the military was very interested in. One of the other things that can do is penetrate the ground and potentially discover things like the location of an underground bunker, which you could probably understand the military would think, hey,

that's handy. Those They also another reason why they have these receivers is because they discovered that by agitating the ionosphere, you could create these frequencies of radio waves up in the ionosphere. And so the thought was, maybe you could do that instead of building those incredibly huge antenna to to broadcast summary, maybe you could just use the ionosphere itself. However, that hasn't really panned out. Um, then you have magnet magnetometers,

or magnetometers as I like to call them. These are not used to measure supervillains, but rather to measure magnetic fields, their their strength and their direction. I think it's technically magnetom eaters. Magnetom eaters. Okay, thank you Joe, always keeping us on task. And then uh, we have rio meters, which I was going to make a nineteen eighties new wave reference. But yeah, I'm not gonna I'm gonna back off of that. But no, that's that stands for the

good job avoiding that if only. Uh No, but this is a relative ionospheric opacity meter, and that measures electromagnetic wave absorption in the ionosphere. Now that was originally developed by researchers at the University of Alaska. This was what I was talking about when they wanted to find out the effects of aurora on radio waves. This is the

sort of technology they were developing. Then you have a uh F diagnostic radar, which is a radar that works at ultra high frequency radio wave frequencies if I can

be a little repetitive and redundant. And then you have finally optical and infrared spectrometers and cameras which are used to observe the complex natural variations of Alaska's ionosphere as well as to detect artificial effects produced by the I R I. So that's kind of a rundown on the general equipment that they're using over at HARP, or that they have been using at HARP and uh and what that stuff is supposed to do. So there you go. Okay, we we've covered a bunch of the different ways that

this equipment is being used. But um, I think I think the ones that we haven't covered so far involve uh space applications. Yeah, there are a couple of different space applications. Well, one is is just figuring out how to how to handle things like solar flares more effectively. So when a solar flare uh impacts the Earth, you're talking about a lot of these high energy particles interacting and energy interacting with our ionosphere, making it more um

aggravated active. Maybe we can say, like you probably have heard stories about so giant solar flare storms that caused spectacular aurora. Right, there was a solar storm in the eighteen hundreds that I believe they said caused all kinds of electrical malfunctions around the world and there and supposedly people as far south as Cuba could see the northern lights, which is phenomenal. I mean normally can't see those if

yourself of say Canada. I mean, don't get me wrong, I want my laptop to continue working, but I but that would be really cool now, it would be kind of pretty to see but I'm actually willing to travel up there to see it rather than have it zapped the entire power grid, because, yeah, that it can cause electromagnetic interference, which is a major problem in today's technology. We didn't have orbital electronics back then, and we had I'm sure it would have been a really bad scene

for them. One of the other things that that I think they say can sort of like pump the the ionosphere like like a solar storm, would also be a high altitude nuclear explosion. Sure, so if you had, like a somebody detonate a nuclear bomb way up high up off the surface of the Earth, it could set off this chain of reactions that could it could do the

same thing. It could cause major atmospheric e m P. Yeah, lots of charge particles bouncing around that would interfere with electronics and potentially damage satellites that we depend on for all kinds of things. So there's the potential of using HARP to at least study ways where we can mitigate

that as much as possible, should that ever happen. There's also the idea of using I mean the some of the experiments they they've done is uh, they've created plasma and optical emissions using this high frequency radio beams to excite the ionosphere, which is this is part of the exploratory science, right they're just kind of zapping it to see what happens, which I'm I'm oversimplifying, so I do apologize if any of the folks out there have actively

worked on these projects. But it's really to kind of learn more about these interactions and find out exactly what are the the the mechanisms behind it, and you know, are there any useful applications. It's kind of a secondary consideration. We're really just learning about basics of our atmosphere here. There's also a study of the Moon's surface using HARP,

which I thought this was super interesting. They were using ground based radar and firing it at the Moon essentially, so you're you're shooting radar waves towards the Moon, so they're trying to blow up the Moon. They're looking at

the Moon. They're just looking at the Moon. But these radio these radar waves rather are hitting the Moon and then they would reflect off and instead of trying to collect this information back on the Earth, where you would run into problems where there's this effect called scintillation scintillation doesn't mean you but suddenly become incredibly interesting in conversation. It means that it actually can change the amplitude and frequency of waves so that you get corrupted data when

it comes back through atmosphere. Yeah, and so you end up having a problem there. So how do you get around that? Well, in this case, Heart was partnering with NASA, so a NASA satellite was receiving the reflected the echoes of that radar transmission and getting the actual data of the Moon's surface. So they were able to study the Moon's surface from the Earth using radar and using a satellite to collect the information, which is kind of a

cool thing. In fact, according to to the folks at HARP, it's the first time anything like that had ever been done using ground based technology to do a radar study of a celestial body that was then collected by a spacecraft, which, you know the way, if you phrase it like that, it sounds like that's a the plot line in a Star Trek episode. So I thought that was really cool. So that kind of covers the basic uh uses of HARP so far. But there've also been a couple of

others that have been mentioned as potential uses. We've covered one with the nuclear the dealing with a nuclear situation where you're trying to contain particle. Yeah, there's also in May, the National Academies they had a workshop in Washington where they basically just talked about the future of HARP. Are we going to fund it? What uses it? You know? Um? And so they had a report that came out on this workshop and that listed some of the potential practical

uses that the scientists attending the conference talk about. One of the ones that I thought was really interesting was about space to breathe. They imagined using something like HARP, or at least research that came out of HARP, to help de orbit old satellites and spacecraft that have become space to breathe. So we know the problem of space to breathe. Jonathan did a video on it one time,

We've done a podcast. But basically, a satellite outlives its usefulness or it stops working or something like that, and we don't have a pulsterring to bring it back down to Earth. So it's basically just up there until it loses orbit, right, And the worry is, oh, well, we don't want it crashing into anything, and especially not in

space like currently working satellites. Yeah, exactly so, but it's speculated that you could send HARP signals that might be able to trigger an ion outflow, and what that would do is increase the drag on a targeted space vehicle. So you'd have a satellite that you want to de orbit and this ion outflow could help slow it down so that it's a bit decays quicker and it burns up in the atmosphere. Yeah, So essentially you're you're like creating an electro magnetic drag on this thing which is

parachute behind. Obviously also hypothetical right now, It's not something that we've necessarily done, right, this is a speculation about possible future applications of HARP. Well, and this was last year obviously when it's future was less certain, but it could still apply to research along the lines of HARP. Yeah, and and keep in mind, like the reason why we're saying while we're couching all this is because currently it looks like HARP is going to be completely defunded in

the near future. It already shut down once in the summer of actually at the towards the end of May, and it was only reported on by around July that UH that HARP had shut down. There was that the facility was empty, all the generators had been turned off, like the website was down because no one could pay the University of Alaska to keep it up. Yeah, which that's pretty serious right there. I mean, I think I think the first website I ever made is still up

somewhere on the internet. But took mine down. Oh yeah, so yeah, it's a it's a it's a let me guess, let me guess, genesis, middies. I'm not gonna I'm not

gonna dignify that with a response at any rate. So, at any rate, the it's shut down at the the explanation was that was actually changing hands, that a different UH group was coming in to take over the facility, and it came back online briefly anyway, But it's already this is the beginning of two thousand fourteen when we're recording this podcast, and at the moment, it sounds like, once the Department of Defense is done with a series of final experiments, UH, this facility may shut down unless

some other group comes in and takes it over because it's really expensive to run yeah. I mean I have a vague feeling that someone's going to be interested in keeping this thing going, um, exactly, yeah, or the interdimensional reptilian. Okay, so I already have a good theory as to why the interdimensional reptilians are a no go in terms of explaining this. But we can get into by not existing into the into the conspiracy theories. Now. Yeah, but here's

my thing on the reptilian. We all know that they live in underground chambers, right and secretly rule the world from these vast underground caverns. What is one of the things that HARP can do help us detect underground bunkers. The reptilians don't want to have their bunkers, they're the ones controlling it. Then they can just pointed at all the places where the bunkers aren't. Okay, first of all, none of us believe about these these reptilians. Let's make

that clear. We're all being very facetious. Let's discuss all of the bizarre stuff we've seen people saying about HARP on the Internet. Let's let's be fair. Okay, So there are a lot of conspiracy theories about HARP, fringe theories, please thank you. Conspiracy theories about HARP on the fringe, and um, these fringe theories are there's there's a seed there. I can understand why the seed had been planted and grown into a beautiful fringe flower in some people's minds.

So if you look back at the history of HARP, there was a fellow physicist by the name Bernard Eastland who patented several different like he filed for several patents and and got patents for these ideas that he had about exciting the ionosphere. So he was looking at using this big natural gas deposits have been found in Alaska as means to fuel an ionosphere heater, so the same sort of technology we're talking about to study the effects on the ionosphere. But he also hypothesized about some other

things that this device might possibly do. And these are things that have taken hold in the minds of people who really subscribe to these fringe theories. So here are two and these these are direct quotes from the one of the patents. One was whether modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device.

Another is and again I quote as alluded to earlier, missile or aircraft destruction, deflection, or confusion could result, particularly when relativistic particles are employed. Also, large regions of the atmosphere could be lifted to an unexpectedly high altitude, so that missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces, with resultant

destruction or deflection of same. I would like to put in at this juncture that when, um, the government approves a patent, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're stamping it with with something that just says science fact. Um, this is all theorization. Yeah, it was completely hypothetical. And furthermore, there was no need to actually roof that it works in order to get a patent. Yeah. I mean this

is something tons of people take advantage of. You. You just you have an idea and your patented that that doesn't mean it works, right yeah. Yeah. So And and in fact, when the Department of Defense decided to do a feasibility study based on these ideas, uh, they looked at a bunch of different companies to you know, contract out and and try and build stuff to do this.

And one of those companies had a consultant named Dennis Papadopoulis, and uh Papadopoulis ended up looking at these these projected ideas of East Lends and said, yeah, that's not that would not work. I mean, it wouldn't work even if you had this place at an ideal location, which the area in Alaska was not ideal for these particular applications like weather modification and destroying a missile um. He said, even if it were in the best position on the planet,

it's still wouldn't work. However, important science could be done using this kind of technology. So if we can just figure out a way to sell it to the military, then we can get the money to build it, and then we can actually do research. And his point was saying that radio research had really taken a back seat for a really long time since the nineteen fifties, really, and that in order to get back to doing you know, groundbreaking research, you know, you have to figure out how

you're going to fund it. And he didn't want to create false reasons, right, he didn't want to give them a false sense of this is what this device can possibly do, of course not. But I mean but the military and the government, especially a couple of decades ago, had a great deal of money to to throw at scientific pursuits like this and just you know, angling it

so that they would pick up on that. Yeah, And in this case, he the way he angled it was rather than talk about whether modification and missiles being destroyed, he would talk more about the extremely low frequency and very low frequency bands and the possible applications that could be those could be used. And that's what got the ball roll rolling. And so um, there's another interesting conspiracy theory about HARP besides weather modification. So so the weather

modification thing doesn't really pan out. It's just there's no way that HARP could really do it. They can't direct any sort of energy to lens the atmosphere. Plus the weather happens in the troposphere, and the ionosphere is really far away from the troposphere. One thing I do want to clarify. I think what you're saying is that it's not just that, hey, this isn't what they're trying to do. It's that even if they wanted to, they probably couldn't

control the weather. I guess they might be able to change a little bit of parts of the atmosphere directly above their own. I think that I'm not sure if that would. I think the most they could do is maybe change how much, like how much radiation gets gets in. So that because because you know, weather patterns are largely affected by changes in heat, that's the main that's the

main thing that changes these weather patterns. Right, So in theory, if you were able to change the amount of energy coming in to the earth, you would therefore change the weather. But it would not be in a necessarily predictable or controllable way. So even if that was the purpose of HARP, it would it It would be like, you know, just turning on a switch and having no idea what the effect was going to be. It's not like you can have any sort of controlled experience, even if that was

what you had intended. Well, intertermentional reptilians are chaotic evil, so they don't really care. How would you know you're not chaotic evil? According to the test we all took. Uh, I'm lawful, good as it turns out, and a liar. Yeah, you haven't read my you haven't read my. My alignment read out it's hilarious. So another conspiracy theory was that HARP could possibly create earthquakes. We mentioned that at the top of the show, right, that it could somehow create earthquakes.

There are two ways I have heard about this happening, and both of them are not really feasible. Now. One is kind of interesting in that some scientists say that before an earthquake happens, you you might be able to detect e l F or vlf frequencies because the pressures in the ground are compressing minerals that will give off

these frequencies just naturally through that compression. So if you had a detector somewhere nearby, you could in theory detect those variations and thus predict when an earthquake is going to happen. So thereby by a like piece of electric kind of effect, maybe if you put those frequencies into those minerals, you could trigger an earthquake. That's that's the That's one of the hypotheses, which I I hesitate to even call it that. Uh, it is not necessarily realistic.

But that's not the chief one about how people thought HARP was somehow creating earthquakes. Here's here's what they were really thinking, and this one is what I don't know it just to me it seems completely unfeasible. Um, So imagine that you are lifting part of the atmosphere up, like you're actually raising up the ionosphere, and then you let it slam down, and somehow the press sure of its slamming back down is what induces an earthquake to happen.

It This theory does not seem to to to explain what would happen to the rest of us on the surface of the ground if if this was actually powerful enough for it to induce an earthquake. Nor does it explain the fact that any energy it would exert coming down would be equivalent to the amount of energy used to raise it up. Right, that's basic physics. If I raise a a one one kilogram mass to a certain distance off the ground and drop it, you know, it's not like it's going to exert more energy than it

costs to raise it up that high. It's going to be exactly the same. That's physics. So what you're talking about is this facility doing this would have to be able to create enough energy to essentially shake the ground exactly right. You wouldn't need to shoot it up at the atmosphere. You have essentially some sort of earthquake button

right there at your disposal. And the energy that HARP is putting forth is something like three point six megawatts, which, don't get me wrong, but it's not enough to create an earthquake. So that was another one. Also, I think to keep in mind when we're talking about all of these conspiracy theories and HARP, is that so radiation from the Sun is hitting the ionosphere all the time, continually, and a lot more than HARP is capable of producing

UM like orders of hundreds of thousands. Yeah, yeah, we're talking. We're talking like you know, I mean, the Sun's energy is what makes the ionosphere happen in the first place, right, And HARP is only able to excite a relatively teeny tiny region of that ionosphere, like a sliver of it. So you know, the fact that the Sun is doing this naturally all the time is another kind of mark against HARP doing anything that would affect you know, things on a global scale, right, or even on a weaponized

kind of scale. UM. And further, for further, I mean, I mean some of these some of these theories are talking about moving sections of the ionosphere, and even if harp could move a section of the ionosphere that was not directly above itself, and I don't think it wants to cause itself to experience an earthquake. Um, the the ionosphere undulates all the time. It expands and contracts based on the degree of the Earth's tilt and whether it's

nighttime or daytime. I mean this happens constantly, right, So it's not like, yeah, yeah, I think I think a lot of the theories of the fringe theories are based on just misunderstandings of science. I mean, it's just you don't have a full understanding of what's going on, and so you're you're oversimplifying in your mind how things work. And thus when you do that, then suddenly everything becomes possible.

Right if if you oversimplify everything and don't don't acknowledge how complex and difficult some of these problems really would be to do for real z s then obviously this this secret facility in Alaska, which by the way, wasn't really secret, although it was very much restricted because they were doing lots of of scientific study that didn't you know,

they didn't need people. Uh well, I read at least one account of some amateur ham radio enthusiasts who just went on up to the facility and walked around, and the policy was supposed to be it's a closed door facility that very rarely was open to the public. It was only opened a couple of times years. And then of course they would let you know, college students could go up there and work on it because they were

parts of research programs. You know, you don't typically Maybe I'm basing this off bias, but the college students, I remember, are not necessarily the ones you and you invite into your super secret headquarters for world domination and weather control. It's i they're all part of the theory and all the other research about the ionosphere is is uh bad material. They're only allowed in the pain pong room. They're not allowed to see the real facility. It just gives the

facility credit credibility as a research. College students tend to be reptilian collaborators. Okay, enough with the reptiles. Geez alright, So anyway, you read one comment off one article and suddenly at all, No, it's true. I'm sorry, folks. This came from the fact that I was reading an article from an Alaska publication about HARP, and one of the comments was like, yeah, reptilians are behind this. Yeah. Yeah.

And of course, like I said, when I did the episode about weather control, we got a lot of comments about the HARP facility. UM. And again most of it's

just misunderstandings. You know, things that you know, you're you're reading a report of a report of a report of a conspiracy theory um and uh, you know they're they've been pervasive and they've really they certainly have uh a level of um like they're enticing, right, you know, the idea of uh, some sort of secret organization or secret part of our government being in control of these massive powers.

There's a weird attraction to that idea. Well, even if you did think HARP was something that was a secret government plot to control the weather, earthquakes, tsunamis whatever you need, worry no longer, Yeah, because it's it's it's pretty much done government facility. So what's the status on the facility? I mean, any day now it could close for good.

It's uh, it's really it's running through those last few experiments and uh, as of the recording of this podcast, there have been no plans to hand over the facility, Like there's there's not been an organization that step forward and say said we will fund this. I mean it costs millions of dollars to run this this facility because it takes a lot of power to actually do these um uh, these experiments. It's not and it's not a

cheap endeavor. So if some research facilities or private company comes in to take over, then we could see it continue in action. Otherwise it may just become an abandoned, forgotten site. And uh, I mean it was abandoned for a little while in it might become permanently so inten, We'll have to wait and see. So anyway, that kind of wraps up this discussion about HARP. We just wanted to kind of take a closer look at it and

demystify it for everybody. Yeah, and and send out our good mojo into the universe, possibly by earthquakeer, reptilian whatever you know, to to hopefully someone will pick this thing back up. Well. Yeah, the good feelings I do have is that I think there is a bright future for more radio research. I mean, it's the thing, it's the kind of research we don't often think about, but that really does yield important discoveries that figure into the kinds

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