I Claim This Asteroid for Spain!

But we've talked about asteroid mining, right, we talked about lunar colonies, we talked about a Martian colony, right absolutely so. Um so, here's the thing. We've got this technology that's developing at a fairly rapid pace that's making this more and more, you know, something of a reality. It's not just the stuff of science fiction we are getting. It's not fifty years part right now. Right now, it's getting

a tiny bit more concrete. Yeah, like talking about there, there's one company in particular that plans to have a colony on Mars in ten years. Whether that happens or people, I think the more realistic thing is the asteroid mining. I think that that's going to seriously happen within the next ten years. Right, So, but that raises another question. So here on Earth. We've got countries and states. You know,

we've got these sovereign nations. Sovereign nations, right, they have they have rules to guide them, institutions, they've got borders that separate them from everybody else, right, only physical ones made of rivers and oceans. There really weird thing. Okay, if I want to go like into a field and build a house there and live in it, for some reason,

I've got to pay people money. Yeah, yeah, unless you somehow have come into ownership of that land already than someone else owns that land, and they probably want some cash for you to be able to shack up there. Well, how did they get the right to ask me for cash to build a house on their field? We developed something called property laws. Property well we didn't but well not personally. If we had, then I'd have a lot

more property. But the human beings in general, in a way of trying to make sense of the fact that we've got lots of people and there's lots of really awesome land out there that wants and there's some less awesome land that nobody wants, right, and how do we determine who gets what? And property laws kind of came out of that, and they've evolved over time. I mean sometimes they evolve very slowly and sometimes quite rapidly, depending

upon the era we're talking about. But typically what it amounts to is you have a plot that you say belongs to me, and I can do what I want with it, and I have a major degree of control over it, so that I can like say that other people can't come on it and stuff like that, right, and I've asked a government to help me enforce the

fact that it belongs to me. Sure, And generally it goes, you know, enough into the ground for you to build a foundation for any buildings that you want, and enough into the air that you can, you know, build a good couple of stories out there, depending upon whatever the regulations are in your area. But then beyond that, it pretty much doesn't belong to you. It belongs to whatever country you happen to be in. Okay, But um, let's say that this house I want to build is not

in a field I found somewhere. But let's say I fly a shuttle up to the moon and land and want to build a house there. First of all, shuttles don't go to the moon. But if you were to play a capsule over you want to build a house? You're correct, your story is ludicrous. Let's say I land a landing vehicle on the moon. Can I get out and I want to build a house to have live out my my wonderful social life on the surface of

the moon. Yeah, we have no pedantic problem with that, however legally, so yeah, here's the who do I pay? I guess I've got to pay somebody, right Well, you wouldn't pay anybody because there's no one to pay right now. See, here's the thing. How do we determine who gets access, who gets the rights to property and outer space? Because who does outer space belong to? I mean humankind? As it turns out, well, based upon some some some old laws that were written, but well knows some real laws. Okay,

So here's the problem we've imagined. Um. So, let's say I go and I and I land on the moon, and I build my house there in the middle of a big you know field on the moon on the moon. Uh, and somebody else comes along and said, no, I want to live there, And they knocked my house down and they build their own. What's to stop them? We'll see,

that's the thing. Is that. You know, normally, if we were talking about a person from a specific country going and claiming something because you particularly are a citizen of that country, it would be seen as something called national appropriation. Like it's the idea that it's not you claiming that spot, it's the United States. And that's where we get into a problem. You see, when the space race was kicking off in the fifties and sixties, there was something called

the Cold War. You guys remember the Cold War personally? Well, I mean, I mean a I have maps in my house that say Soviet Union, Eastern East and West East and West Germany. So during the Cold War, you had two major superpowers that were ramping up their space exploration UH industries and as the United States and the former Soviet Union. So those two superpowers were on a race.

Really it was it was almost for bragging rights, but moreover, it was also to prove that they had the capability of doing something like a long range nuclear strike exactly. So it's all about if I'm able to fire a rocket that can get all the way into outer space, and I can also fire a rocket that has a bomb on it all the way to your country. Yeah,

So that that's where the space race came from. Well, that that meant that you had this mounting escalation of competitiveness between the United States and the Soviet Union, and as it became closer and closer to a reality that one of these two nations was going to make a landing on the Moon, began to make the rest of the world say, hey, you know what, maybe we should

set up some rules here. So, in a very what I would say, a remarkable act of coming togetherness, yea um of Really it's kind of a more of an act of we're all scared out of our pants nous um. We actually came up with something. Not we as a share but humans came up with something you've been y

now known as the Outer Space Treaty. That the official full name, as adopted by the UN General Assembly was the Treaty on Principles Governing Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies. Yes, that was in nineteen sixty seven. It was actually partly based on an earlier piece of legislation that was drafted in nineteen fifty nine

called the Antarctic Treaty. Now, the Antarctic Treaty was designed to prevent the militarization of the Antarctic, saying that no governments could build military facilities on the Narctic. It could be used just for scientific research. But it was meant so that what and go and claim an Arctic as part of their nation to give them some sort of military superiority or advantage. And so they used that as

sort of the the guideline for drafting this nineteen seven treaty. Yeah. Um, And so the treaty includes a bunch of different articles that established things like freedom of exploration, freedom of scientific experimentation. Right, it's it's basically like spaces for humankind. It's free for everyone to explore. Um. It's not subject to national appropriation. Uh. No nukes, y'all forbids, weapons of mass destruction mounted on the moon, celestial bodies or in orbit. Um, celestial bodies

should be us for peaceful purposes. It also comes up with some sort of rules of etiquette for international cooperation. So it's a it has like uh, it says like, oh, if foreign astronauts crash land in your country, you're supposed to return them safely to their their own country. Of origin. Um. It says that I think astronaut shall not attack each other, something like that, that the astronauts are are envoys of

all humankind. Yeah. Um. However, that countries are responsible for their citizens in space, um, and also liable for damage, and also that they should generally avoid doing that damage. Right. Okay, But so when it comes to space property and my question about building a house on the Moon, they actually

have something that seems somewhat relevant. Article two of the Outer Space Treaty specifically says outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means. So another that means like, the United States can't go up and say the Moon is ours. I claim this for Spain. You can't. You can't do that. You can't. They can't even claim part

of the Moon as there right. Essentially, the argument here is that you cannot have any nation laying claim to any sort of celestial object, not just the Moon, asteroids, other planets. Right. Duck duck Duck Dodgers of the twenty four and a half century had no right to be he claimed it for Earth, so that that might be all right, but but yeah, you can't. You can't lay claim to to anything on a national level. Now that has opened up some debate about the spirit and the

letter of the law as it comes to private ownership. Right, Well, I would say that since it's got that other proposition in there that says that countries are responsible for the actions of their citizens, that that anyone who does anything in space is a representation of their country, and that therefore, well, there there are those arguments. Yeah, well, okay, so this is interesting. Generally people have interpreted this treaty to mean, oh and by the way, I mean, so it was

ratified by pretty much everybody. Yeah, we we gave it the thumbs up. It is a law we abide by. Now, because there's another one we're going to talk about a minute where we did not do that. Right, So, lots of people interpreted this Article two of the Outer Space Treaty to say, okay, nobody can claim property rights to

anything in space. But as we established before, that article to the language could be interpreted as ambiguous because what it specifically says is that it's not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, and it doesn't specifically say that no person or company could claim the land um. And this brings us to a dude who calls himself a head cheese of the company Lunar Embassy. His name is Dennis Hope, uh and Dennis Springs. This is a

fun dude. So, so, around nineteen eighty or so, from what I understand, he filed a claim for ownership with the U N for for the moon. Yeah, let me read a little bit from the Frequently Asked Questions page

of his company's website. He says, in nineteen a very bright, young and handsome Mr Dennis Hope went to his local US governmental office that's capitalized, don't know what that means for claim registries, the San Francisco County seat and made a claim for the entire lunar surface, as well as the surface of all other eight planets in our solar system and their moons except the Earth and the Sun. Obviously, he was first taken for a crackpot until three supervisors,

two floors and five hours later, the main supervisor accepted and registered his claim. After this, he he claims that so there he staked his claim with his local government Office for the Moon uh, and afterwards mailed letters to the Soviet Union and to the United Nations announcing to them that the moon was now his uh and to see if they had any problem with that. Right. He basically said, Um, if this isn't cool, guys, write me back. Yeah,

and no one bothered to do it. They didn't write him back, which he argues is the essentially the them saying signing off on it. Yeah, that they gave the

sort of silent consent. It's like saying, like, universe, if you don't want me to eat this doughnut annihilated before I can touch in my mouth and ab So I like the idea of him going to the San Francisco County because that would be kind of like going to the mayor of your city and saying, like, I'm claiming Antarctica, and San Francisco has a long history of kind of you know, and like, yeah, that's hilarious. Emperor, the Emperor Norton.

By the way, another thing, now, I don't want to say we know this to be false, but also this is his story as he tells it. I'm not even sure the extent to which this should be considered. Um, but so, yeah, so he sent those letters off after this, he claims that and I don't know what to make of this either, but he claims that he he added a cop be right to his work by the U. S.

Copyright Registry Office. Um so, with his claim to claim and copyright registration certificate from the U. S. Government in hand, Mr Hope became what is probably the largest landowner around the planet today. I don't know what copyright has to do with the moon. Yeah, that that seems to be. That seems to be this fallacy that somehow getting one thing ratified in one way by a government agency ends

up legitimizing the claim. That's not the case, right, Like if I write a book where I end up conquering the entire world and I get it published and it's under copyright, that doesn't mean I actually then have the right to tell everybody what to do, despite the fact that I keep trying. He may be confused about what government office he contacted or something I would be. I think he's confused about governments in general. I he he did go on to set up a democratic republic nation

called the Galactic Government. Yeah, yeah, I think that's right, and or something like that. Yeah, I wrote a constitution and put it up online in and claims to have diplomacy with thirty nations. So it would sound like, Okay, we're just dealing with somebody who's got a funny website

or something. But he's making money on this, y'all. Well, so supposedly he set this up because he had just gotten divorced, was really strapped for cash, and thought, you know, no one's selling the moon right now, how can I sell the moon? That's what that That is an interview that I've read with him. Yeah, yeah, oh that that.

I read that interview too, So, yeah, what he's been doing for since about nineteen eighty apparently is selling parcels on the surface of the Moon that are each about the size of a football field, and he prices them for about twenty bucks each um. And so if you want to send him your your shiny new twenty dollar bill, you can get a football field sized parcel on the moon. The largest piece of property he sells is continent sized um, which costs some million dollars. Yeah. Um. The question I

have is how many people have actually bought this? And I have to be totally honest and say the numbers I've seen are pretty high, but I am very skeptical about them, especially because of the strange increase and decrease I've seen I've seen across chronology, Like for example, there was a National Geographic article about Dennis Hope in two thousand nine. They reported he claimed to have sold parcels on the Moon and other planets to at least three

point seven million people. Uh. Two years earlier, short article on Discover magazine online two thousand seven claimed that Hope had sold four point to five million to four point to five million. Maybe he had just bought back point and those are by no means. I mean, if you look all I see weirdly vast ranges of different numbers of claimed customers and amounts of property sold, you would think that you have to keep pretty good records of that, because I would imagine the I R. S Has something

to say about its well. Funny on his frequently asked questions, He's got a little question there about how should I, uh, you know, claim this on my taxes, and the answers like I don't know. Yeah. He claims that his government is trying to join the International Monetary Fund UM and that you know, their their their currency is the reserve of helium three on the Moon, which is some six quadrillion dollar reserve. So yeah, so it's based on the

helium standard. Okay, but here's the question we have to start wondering, like, Okay, on one hand, this seems so funny, but like, well, wait a minute, I mean, is this legit in any way? So there there's been people have tried to address that. Right, there's a there's another treaty in nineteen seventy nine. Right, okay, so we should discuss that, often known as the Moon Treaty. Right, that's the shortened version, although to be fair, it involved not just the Moon

but all celestial objects. Right, And I do you know this was back in nineteen seventy nine. I do want to point out that that Mr Hope is not the first person who was attempted to do this. I read.

I read a nineteen nine Science Illustrated article in which one James Team mangan Uh formed a nation of celestial space and contacted the secretaries of state of seventy four nations plus the u N about gaining recognition because he intended to sell um earth sized chunks of space off at about a dollar a lot um, which he called a new, bold and modest idea um um. Since that, since he hasn't become a household name, I'm going to

assume that that did not ultimately go very far. Well, they created this treaty, okay, So in nineteen seventy nine, the commonly known as the Moon Treaty. It was called officially the Agreement Governing Governing the activities of States on the Moon and other celestial bodies. Specifically, the part that's

really relevant is an Article leven, Section three. It says, neither the surface nor the subsurface of the Moon, nor any other part thereof, or natural resources in place, shall become the property of any state, international, inner governmental or non governmental organization, national organization or non governmental entity, or

of any natural persons. So in that, in that sense, they're saying the space belongs to everyone, and no one nobody can own anything whatsoever, right unless we get sentient cats who can argue the letter of that law. But the problem is the Moon Treaty failed. It was ratified only by some small number of nations, none of them are space for major space faring nations at the time. Uh And in fact, I don't think any any country that has launched a manned space mission at all has

ratified it. I don't know if I would say that, but definitely it wasn't the United States, Russia, China, any of those. Um but um okay. So here's the question. Why why didn't anybody ratify it when everybody was down with the Outer Space Treaty. Well, well, for one thing, the United States big and a big argument l the US was that this means that we would not be able to take advantage of things like no one would be able to take advantage of things like asteroid mining

or or lunar mining or anything along those lines. Are mining in this specific case, in this specific section of this article. But that if but that if this got ratified,

then what other laws fallout? See, it was based upon something else called the Law of the c Treaty, which was also about things like deep sea mining, and the Law of the C Treaty had suggested that there be a new agency that would be an international agency that would oversee this kind of stuff, and that in fact, all of much of the benefit of any mining operation would go towards this agency and not necessarily to whomever

actually operated the mining process. So that means that miners would be taking that enormous risk of mining and getting only a portion of the profits from that, the rest going to this other agency that has just been made

to oversee it. And that's the big argument that most of the nations that refused to ratify it, we're saying, they were said, wait, why would we say to the people who are taking a uh, you know, a threatening risk to mind stuff just a government employees get a government salary, right, You're not actually going to get to

benefit from all this hard work you're doing. Yeah. I think one major problem is that essentially the Moon Treaty, it would dictate establishing international control of a regime to sort of create resource extraction policies in the future. And there was another fellow. Since we're talking about, you know, people who have laid claims. You guys have heard of Gregory Nimitts. I know you heard about him. So there's

an asteroid called four three three eros. All right, So this asteroid was one that NASA planned on visiting with a spacecraft, and in fact they did do that back in two thousand one. They had a spacecraft land on the asteroid. A year prior to the spacecraft landing on the asteroid, Mr Nimitts laid claim to four three three arrows and then suit NASA in the US government for landing on his asteroid. Now, the reason he did this was not because he was trying to get money from

the government. He actually wanted to generate a conversation about space property because in what he was saying was that traditionally, if you look over the history of the human race ownership, you might have heard that possession is nine tenths of the law when it comes to ownership. That other one tenth is a claim. So he's saying that by claiming he's already got one tenth, he just has to take

possession to have full ownership. But the claim has been realized in times past as a valid means of expressing ownership over something, and that once you take possession of it, then you have full ownership of it. So he says, look in history, this is what we've always said that if you lay a claim to something and then you take possession of it, you own it. So I've laid my claim on that. Are you telling me that that's

not valid? Because if you are, that's going against all the tradition of property law that we've established so far, and we need to establish something new. For example, when Europeans showed up on the American continents and said this is ours, we have a flag. Yeah, and the Native Americans didn't speak Europeans, so they didn't count. So also

they had very poor immunity to smallpox. Um, yeah, yeah, let do most of us the U. So the moon would be kind of different in that it's not inhabited and we wouldn't be taking it from anybody except from all the other people who have just as much right to it as we do according to this international treaty. So it did lead to another discussion about a different approach.

There's another group called the the Space Settlement Institute SON based out of New York, and they wanted They've proposed the Space Settlement Prize Act, and this would require the United States to recognize and legally support landownership claims for any private entity that has established a permanently inhabited settlement in space. The idea being that if they have managed to do that, if they have managed to actually create a permanent settlement, the US would recognize that as such,

and it wouldn't be a United States property. It would just be a property that these people own that the United States recognizes their ownership. So the idea is that this would be working around that national appropriation restriction that was in the nineteen seven treaties saying we're not saying the U. S should be able to go out and

claim the moon. We're saying that if a private organization creates the technology that makes it possible and and funds this and then goes and builds a settlement, that that will become something official. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't belong to the US. Yeah. This seems to relate to something that I think is a part of earth property law, which is this idea of sort of intent to occupy. Like if you want to claim a piece of land that's unowned, you, um,

you can't just like say it's mine. You also have to like make an investment pretty much in like getting there. So yeah, if we were to apply that kind of thing to space, I can see how that might make sense. So so basically you'd be sort of agree with Mr Hope here on the sixty seven treaty, not applying to private entities, but also saying that what he's doing won't work because you're not actually going and setting up presidents there. You're just sort of I mean, anybody can say, oh

I own the Moon, right exactly. You have to be you have to demonstrate that you're actually building something there. In fact, they went on the group went on to propose some more guidelines that would actually uh fill out some more rules. For example, whatever the thing was built there would operate under its own rules and laws. It would not necessarily it wouldn't be seen as US law because then it would be again an argument about national appropriation.

What happens on the moon stays on the moon. Yeah, they make casinos on the moon, like Space wild West, Yeah, sort of. And they had suggested that the way it would work is the first claim on the Moon could be no larger than six hundred thousand square miles, which amounts to about four percent of the or surface, but every subsequent claim would end up being fifteen percent less land mass. So in other words, every time the next claim is made, you subtract that's the maximum that could

be claimed, and uh, that way you end up. You know, the companies that are really motivated to truly because they imagine that this will be a company thing obviously not

an individual thing. But the companies that are truly motivated to go and do this sort of stuff will have an incentive to do it, not just from the fact that there is stuff out there, like the helium three that's out there that could be really valuable, but that they'll have the legal, uh basis to do this without fear of someone um counter countermanding that saying no, no, no, that someone who brings more you know why you're fencing

up with. Right on top of that, they would be able to seek recognition from the u N under this act. And also, oh so the moon be six hundred thousand square miles for the first claim, Mars is three point six million square miles, which is, you know about like the United States, that's six percent of Mars' service area. And then um, you don't have oceans to deal with, you've gotten and a lot bigger than the moon. So

one other thing that's interesting. This also applies to asteroids, which goes back to Mr. Nimets who had claimed that that one asteroid. They said that if it's a large asteroid, it's going to be the same rules as the moon. Six hundred thousand square miles is the initial claim. If it's less than one million square miles in surface area, then you can claim the entire asteroid. Uh. If you

essentially it's first come, first served, really uh. And the other part of the argument is that even without this this um, this specific language being ratified, even if it's not ratified, there's already precedent for at least being able to sell the stuff from space on Earth. And the reason why I say that is because both the Soviet Union and the United States had trips to the Moon

and brought stuff back. The Soviet Union ended up selling some of that stuff, so they sold property that was from not not like property, but they sold stuff that was gathered from the Moon and brought back to Earth

and then sold that. So there's some that that's at least enough of a precedent so that companies that are looking at asteroid mining can feel reasonably confident that they can go out and get this stuff without having too much hassle because there's already they can always say no. Wait, so the world did not object when the Soviet Union sold those moon rocks. Therefore we can go to this asteroid and mind it we're not playing on staying there.

We're not claiming the asteroid. We just want the stuff honest or in it. I think there's also some question about whether an asteroid of certain size at least should be considered a celestial body at all, Like because okay, so you'd probably say, like series, Uh, that's pretty big. You know that that's a celestial body. It's like a moon or something. But if you have if you have an asteroid, it's about the size of like a house,

is that really a celestial body? Well? See that. Now we're getting into arguments about the semantics, like when do you call a hill a mountain? And wind is on the hill. But but this matters because the Space Treaty is about it's about celestial bodies and stuff, and and so it doesn't prevent us from returning with resources. Would a small enough asteroid just on the whole be considered

a resource? I don't know that if a small enough I don't I don't know that most companies would look at a small asteroid and think of that as a viable option, to mind, because you might not get enough out of it for it to make operation worth. I mean, I think it would have to depend on the asteroid. Okay, so maybe not house size, but what about the size of a very large building? Yeah, an that a celestial body?

It all, it all depends upon how some of these definitions are going to happen after, after we've already done stuff. In fact, that's what a lot of experts are saying, is that while when someone actually does it, we'll go, let's get a lot for that. Well, and and they point out a lot of people will point out that a lot of laws follow behind technological and scientific discoveries. Right, So we discover stuff, we start putting it into use.

Then governments start to catch up, and then they end up putting in whatever restrictions or regulations they deem are necessary to make sure that it's a fair and safe process. And sometimes there's a lot of growing pains. You know, we've we've talked I can't recall if we've talked on here or not about you know, copyright law and the digital age and whether or not you know what what sharing accounts for when you don't have a physical copy of the media. Sure, I mean, you know we've seen

the same thing hold true and multiple industries. The Internet has obviously made a huge impact on society and culture and law, and a lot of the laws had to catch up. In fact, some would argue are still catching up to what the Internet is capable of doing. I assume we're going to see the same sort of thing once we start seeing asteroid mining go from this is what we're planning on doing too, this is what we did. You know. Once we get to that point, that's when

we're going to see this actually be addressed. And I also think that it's not not the case where any treaty that's been signed in the past will not eventually be overturned by something else, or be clarified in some way so that it ends up allowing for certain cases, or you know, under specific guidelines allow for things like

claiming property in space. It's just one of those things that until someone has gone out to actually do it, we're not really going to be able to, you know, I don't I don't think a lot of governments are going to dedicate the time to think about it. For one thing, there are a lot of other problems that people have to focus on first, and and thinking about who owns that one section of the moon is not chief among them. At this moment, and it should be

because Transformers three. Dark of the Moon tells us that on the far side of the moon there are robots, y'all, and we need to get over there. I just watched that movie. I also wanted to put in not related to Transformers at all. That's good, because a terrible film. I missed it somehow. I didn't miss it. You just didn't see it. That that all that all of those um name a star, those are not legit, y'all. They they were using y'all a lot this podcast episode. Um.

But so, um, yeah, you cannot You cannot name a star. Um. You cannot pay someone to name a star for you, in any kind of scientifically official manner. Right, that's unless you discover it, in which case you might be able to maybe. Usually stars at this point are named by a sort of a coordinate system, which is right, Which is really useful to researchers and astronomers because that tells

them where in the sky it is, which is great. Yeah, if you just say, look for I claimed that star and I called it Frank, look for Frank, that's not going to help. Yeah. So, so having the data built into the name is great. So the companies that do this. What they do is they have a massive database of all the stars and assuming that quote unquote, they are legit, and I put legit another I don't know, I guess yeah, because because no matter what, you're not really renaming the star.

But if you've ever seen those like, you know, for fifty bucks, you can name a star for you know, give your sweetheart the gift of a star. Um. What they do is they have this database and if you pay them the fifty dollars, then you know, they end up put an entry in their Excel file and next to whatever star, and then you name it Frank. So then they'll say that this star is now named Frank in our database. That, by the way, is the only

place where it is renamed in that company's database. It has no official capacity whatsoever, right because anytime that a star is given an actual name, that is not a set of coordinates, that is up to and even I think even the sets of coordinates are up to the International Astronomical Union, i a you UM, which which has a lot of very snarky things to say about this entire subject. There's a there's a whole fact where they actually talk about the guys, this is not this is

not a legit thing. In fact, there are competing services out there right that are selling the same star to multip well. In fact, you might even have one service. Just how do you know if if the star you got is truly unique in their database, they might be like, hey, we can sell this one star and tell people that

they've renamed it and it's the same one. Why do we we just make one up if we want, we just make up coordinates, and that's the star you've got, right right, What you're really paying for with your fifty dollars is a line in a database and a pretty piece of paper that they send you. And if that seems to you like a really good, you know, expenditure of money, then by all means do it. Just just be aware, take a quick course in basic power point, presentation or word, and then you can make your own

certificate and have it say whatever you want. Because, as the I A U states, like true love and many other of the best things in human life, the beauty of the night sky is not for sale, but it's free for all to enjoy. And and furthermore that that letting people name their own stars would generate a system of mounting confusion for no factual reason, which is the

opposite of what taxpayers pay scientists to do. Right. Yeah, So so that's so if you ever have seen those ads about buying a star to name it whatever you want, just know that that's that's not official in any in any capacity. Um, although I will say that I disagree with that you cannot sell true love because well that's a different podcast. We we'll talk about that some other time, huh,

okay whatever. I also would not recommend that you buy property on the Moon from lunar lunar embassy or anyone else. I you know, I can't say for sure, but I'm just extremely skeptical that that will ever pay out for you see, And what's fun is that we're talking about something that's still oft in the future. Obviously, we're not talking about something where anyone, no one has been able to make a lunar colony yet, right, So so this

is all hypothetical anyway. But the thing is this is going to happen, and I I I hold that same skepticism Joe. I do not think that one man's very possibly spurious claim on on on owning the Moon is going to hold up that sort of that sort of development.

But it will be interesting to see how the world reacts to that kind of thing, because I imagine that if a new treaty is drawn up, we are going to see some of the same language come up, things like avoiding the weaponization of space, that sort of stuff, but other things, you know, talking about being able to uh leverage the resources that we can find out in space for the benefit of people here on Earth. I mean,

it's hard to argue against that, certainly. Yeah, no argument here, all right, So, um, we're going to wrap this up. We've got this, We've got our own colony that we're planning. Uh. I don't know why we selled on Neptune. That sounds like it's going to be really difficult, but well but we won't need eyes to see where we're going. Yeah, we also don't need roads. So yeah, we're gonna write this up because we gotta we gotta build our our

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