A Stunning Technology

for you guys. Sure she does, because when she does things, they're great things. So, hey, you know why I brought up Star Trek because we're talking about stunned technology today and you know in science fiction we see it all the time, right, Star Trek does it? Star Wars does it? Depends on what science fiction you're watching, because if I recall correctly, Star Wars does it once ever? Yeah, when it was the main character a k a princess, but it was also to keep around. It's also the once

ever when a Stormtrooper was able to hit something. So it's obviously significant because in every other instance I can a member of a Stormtrooper firing with the with the exception of the nameless guys who die at the very beginning of episode four, they don't hit anything. Maybe they're all pacifists. Lauren makes a good point. It's because stormtroopers are always shooting at the main characters who are not supposed to die, So you're saying that they're protected by

plot significance. Exactly. I got to get me some of the plot shields. But okay, so if you will call. At the beginning of Star Wars and New Hope, Princess Leiah's chilling in her corvette and the stormtroopers come on and they say there's one set for Stun, and she blasts one of them, I guess kills him. And then and then they shoot her with They don't look like those normal, you know, blaster bolts. There these rings they

come out of the gun. That's how you know it's Stunn. Yeah, so the rings come out and then she just falls over like she's just taking a little nap. So yeah, stunt technolog g right, I mean that's the whole ideas you incapacitate your target without killing him or her. Yeah, I think that's the idea. So it's um it's a form of science fiction non lethal uh warfare, I don't know, maybe not ware non lethal. It's it's designed to incapacitate

or paralyze someone. It's a good humane way of putting someone who's being unreasonable um out of the plot line, or if you need to, you know, take them on board your ships that you can torture them to discover the location of the rebel base. But but humanely you can torture them and find out the location the rebel base. Well, there's a very weird Geneva convention that guided the imperial action.

Sure if the Imperial forces were really following yeah, I don't know at any rate, any start Trek we had it as well, where the there and clearly the crew of the Enterprise was all about exploring the universe and learning about it, not killing everything that came across its path. Everything. They did some killing, oh sure, but only after like eight or nine Red Shirts died. So really it was just coming on after either Kirker Ryker had had slept

with it. So okay, depending upon whether we're talking original series or next generation, that's fair so okay, But uh so I just kind of I don't know, about y'all. I kind of grew up believing that this had some real life analogy. Well, let's let's talk about all right, Lauren. I know you've looked into the biology of of what we human beings work on and stuff and like the gooey mess that keeps us going. What exactly how would stun technology interact with a body to incapacitate us in

some way? Okay, well, so your your body uses electrical signals to get things done. Um, your your brain communicates with your nerves via electrical signals, and those signals spur the release of neurotransmitter chemicals that control your muscles. So so we are we are walking squishy electrical systems, is really what's going on. And the the idea of modern and stun guns anyway, is to disrupt those electrical communication systems.

So you're kind of overloading the electrical grid of a human being, right, which, you know, which is a pretty

effective way of doing it. You know, you can hypothetically also or I mean you you literally can also use chemicals that are going to either be unpleasant enough to make you stop doing what you are doing temporarily or um, you could if you wanted to be kind of smart about it or or very dangerous about it, depending on the situation, use neurotransmitter chemicals or otherwise disrupt that process

to to make that that mess up on gotcha. So in other words, we're talking about just interrupting the body's communication system between one way and and and the muscular story. So you know, in this case, we're talking about using high voltage low amperage kinds of right on modern existing stun weapons. That's what we're aiming to do. And so so what what what does a high voltage low amperage?

So if you want to think about electricity into like water, uh, and you know that that that's helpful when you're talking about voltage. Voltage is pressure. That's how much water pressure, Like if you were to look at a water system, it's kind of analogous to that. Voltage is how much you've got behind it. Amperage is sort of the intensity

of that electrical current. And I know those two things sound a little confusing, but essentially, if you have high voltage and low amperage, it is for a given definition of the word safe safe and that it will pack a wallop and it will make your your nervous system kind of go into a little bit of a short term freak out mode. But it shouldn't cause lasting damage

for your average healthy human. But but you know, if you had high amperage, that's deadly stuff, right, Okay, So so what this means is that this is gonna This can really affect you in two different ways. And in the body, this current can mimic the pulse frequency of the electrical signals that you're getting from your brain, which can make the body's muscles and this is the technical

term crazy go nuts. Um, it's you're talking about involuntary muscle contractions and at the standard sixty hurts or so it's going to occur with shocks of between six and sixteen millie amps um. This is a little bit painful, and um, the main action of it is is that I will okay, you know, as opposed to extreme pain, which I can talk about a little bit later, I can talk about how painful it is from personal experience. You have been shocked with a personal was do you

want now? You want to know the story was trying to get too close to Brent spin Or at a convention, and uh, it was Jonathan Frakes and you know it. No, U, No, that's not the case. And Joe knows this story because I've already related it earlier today. But I know what happened was I was at is that a camping event, and a bunch of people sitting around the campfire, and the discussion turned to, you know, non lethal weapons, as

it is on your typical camping trip. In case Jason Vorhees comes out of the woods, you need to find some way of slowing him down so he gets the weaker of the group so the rest of you can get away. Why didn't you bring a magic dagger with you? Turned out that I did not have a magical dagger. In fact, right now, we don't even have our mystical acts. Yeah, yeah, how is it? The tiger are not with us at

any rate? So what happened was one of one of the people there had a stunt gun and explained that the juice had run down quite a bit to the point where it was no longer really an effective deterrent in any sense, and then demonstrated by stunt gunning himself in the leg uh and uh, and just made his leg twitch a little bit. And he said, see it's not even really effective. And then the person next to him said, let me see that and took it and went, oh, yeah,

it kind of hurts, but that's it. And then the next person said, let me see that. And I was about two more people down the line, and of course by then I'm like, well, the peer pressure is already gained to the point where I cannot just no thanks, and handed to the next first said, so I also did it. It felt like kind of a beasting and it made my muscles in my thigh contract. But like I said, the juice and this one, the voltage was much lower than what it should have been to be

a true deterrent. So at this point are our decision was that if if any attacker were hit by this thing, it would only encourage them to hurt you more. It would really only make them angry. Yeah, what what you're really looking to do with a stun gun is to um to deplete a person's muscular energy reserves with these contractions,

therefore making them temporarily too weak to move um. And secondly, the current in the brain it can it can introduce kind of like random noise into the brain's ordered signal system and that can cause a sense of of confusion and and off balancedness. It's sort of temporary mental paralysis. So this is kind of like the concept of getting

UH interference on a radio signal. It's where you you can you're still getting a signal through, but you might have a competing signal that's that's coming in on it and it starts getting all jumbled. That's sort of the same sort of thing. It's like, you know, you've you've kind of done a little power surge in the body and your brain can't quite handle it exactly. Yeah. Um, So,

so that covers the electrical system. On the chemical end, you know today we use stuff like tear gas and pepper spray sometimes in in terms of UM attacker or crowd control. And the idea is that these these chemicals are strong but non lethal irritants UM more precisely mucous membrane inflammatory agents which are going to cause UM pain eye swelling to the point of swelling shut for fifteen to thirty minutes and UM throat and no swelling that

can compare breathing for about five to thirteen minutes. And I I do have the names of the two most common tear gases in use. If you guys really want to torture me and everyone else by saying seventeen syllable chemical, I don't think that's necessary. I think we get the point. Yeah, really, when you get down to it, When you get down to it, these chemicals aren't so much stunning people as convincing them they want to be any where other than

where they are right then at that moment. Now, those those nerve agents, the kind of things that we um saw in Syria, work by inhibiting an enzyme that breaks down the narrow transmitter that's released to signal muscles to contract. Therefore, they prevent muscles from relaxing, which leads to a lot of really nasty stuff, but but most critically to suffocation. Yeah, that's not stun day. We're looking for non lethal stun technology the source stuff we see in Star Trek. That's

clearly not the case. So right, but most of the time, when you're talking about messing with neuro neurotoxins, it's going to be on the level of death pretty soon, not this, not this. Yeah, So do we have anything that's a little bit closer to what this stunt technology would be? Like, I mean well, is there a way to zap somebody and knock them out? Yeahout hurting them? No, Now you made it tricky. I was. I was ready to talk

about and then you made it more difficult. Okay, So stun guns are kind of the basic that we basic unit we need to talk about. And I chatted about it a second ago when I talked about stunning myself in the leg like an idiot. By the way, just in my defense, I was a stupid teenager at the time, all right. So also, kids, don't use stun guns on yourself. No, it's not it's not a good plan. Don't be like Jonathan.

Don't be like me. I mean, look at me. I stunned myself in the leg and became an incredibly successful and famous person. So don't do that. Um, those two things, by the way, not not no causation there, And just just keep that in mind. I had not told that story for like fifteen years, so um at any rate.

The the stun gun is your sort of basic stun weapon, and it's kind of a bad name for it, stun gun, because it it is not the same effect as you would imagine a stunned phaser like it doesn't harmlessly render someone unconscious exactly. And you know, like in Star Trek, not only are they just harmlessly rendered unconscious, they slump over in such a way that doesn't cause them physical damage. Yeah,

they kind of sit down. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if you've ever seen anyone actually lose consciousness while upright. It is nothing like that. Sometimes they're allowed sounds when like skull bone hits the ground. Yeah, it's not good. So anyway, the basic stun gun is designed where you have two sets of electrodes generally speaking uh an outer set and interset, meaning that there are two

that are closer together and to their further apart. The two that are further apart of the ones that are actually designed to make contact with your target. The two that are closer together are meant to allow sparks to spark, thus acting as a deterrent. So if I hold up a stun gun, not not all of them have these two sets, by the way, but a lot of them do. So if I hold up a stun gun and I hit the button and you hear that d get noise and you see the sparks across, Yeah, that's just it's

meant to be. It's really meant to to for the person who's wielding it to say, please, please, please, don't make me use this, because it's not going to be pleasant for you. The outer set of electrodes are what would actually pass the electric current through the body of the target. Uh. So you've also got a capacitor. Capacitors are very useful in electronics. They store up energy and then release it all at once, So they're different from batteries.

Batteries release energy gradually through a chemical uh. Usually you know, we talked about it as being a chemical reaction that releases electricity. A capacitor stores up electricity and then releases it all at once. There are a lot of electronics that use capacitors. For example, your camera flash is a capacity uses a capacitor because you know, you want that energy released in a very quick burst to get that flash. Otherwise the light would come on slowly and then go

off slowly and not be useful for photographs. So in this case, the capacitor is there so that you can actually release a shock all at once to the target. You have a battery that actually stores the electricity usually gets a certain number of charges. Each charge tend to be a little weaker than the one before it until you can recharge to full or replace the battery, usually a standard nine vault battery. I think yeah, nine volt

batteries pretty common. They also have oscillators that fluctuate the current to provide pulses of electricity, and the pulses of electricity are what create that pattern that makes muscles wear out faster because they contract for while the pulses going. Then they stop and they contract again, and it's really really rapid, so it exhausts the muscle very quickly. So that's your basic stun gun, but there are, of course

some variations. There's the Taser, which is actually named after a science fiction weapon, but the Taser is uh adds another element to your basic stun gun, which is that has a little air canister in it that allows it to project those electrodes out from the base unit, and they are connected to the base unit by wires, so that means you can actually have a range to this thing as opposed to just being you know, face to

face with whoever you are trying to zap. They could be fifteen feet away and it fires the electrodes attached to the target and it's about as pleasant as it sounds. And then electricity passes through the wires to the electrodes and causes the target to go through the same convulsion, right, right, So in all of these cases you need physical contact of some kind. It's it's not like it's not like a Star Trek phaser, where you know there's a there's there's a ray and you can be a long way away.

You have to physically make contact so that these electrodes can use the the person that you are using it on as the as the connection point. It's completing the circuit. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So these the handheld unit has like all the battery and everything in it, so you and you can actually usually at least with the Taser one, you can administer

additional shock if you have to. In other words, if someone is still being combative and in a danger to either themselves or to other people, then you can admit stir another couple of apps. Um, pretty serious stuff. But I mean even that, you know, you're still talking about a range of ten to fifteen feet maybe, Um, if you want to go beyond that, then you could look at their shotgun taser, which is a pretty interesting piece

of technology. I got to see it at c e S before it was rolled out as an actual product. They were showing it off as the prototype stage. Absolutely

fascinating technology. Very scary stuff too, obviously, because you think about this, not less scary, I would say, than an actual shotgun blast, but um so imagine a shotgun shell, but instead of it having shot inside of it, it has this little plastic device that's got two electrodes on the end of it, and when you fire it, a little fins pop out to stabilize its flight and it flies to its target. Once it impacts the target, the back half of this device separates and it's connected to

the front half that has the electrodes by wires. So in a way, it's like having a handheld taser unit, but it's mantorized and it's all on the target, and it's like you throw if you were going to throw the taser, and so the wires are not insulated, so in other words, if you reach to try and pull the taser unit off of yourself, you're gonna get shocked by the wires too. Uh. And it also has enough juice in it to administer several pulses of electricity through

it to render the target immobile. So, uh, it's a I'll put it this way, it's effective. Uh So this sounds, though, I guess, intended to be not lethal somehow not quite as humane as the stick and spans star treks done gun. Well, I mean yeah, I would say if you're talking about humane, as in the target experiences no discomfort or pain, then obviously this is not that same world. We're talking about

two totally different things here. Uh. It's an incredibly tricky situation because if you're talking about situations where there are a lot of people out of control and they are a potential threat to innocent bystanders, and yet they themselves are not necessarily criminals or otherwise dangerous. It's just the

situation has gotten out of control. What are people who are supposed to keep the peace to do about that kind of situation that minimizes the impact of their own actions keeping things in control, limiting the damage that's done.

It's a really tricky problem. I don't know that stun technology is necessarily the right approach for that, but it's at least an attempt for people to try and find a way of dealing with something that is truly a sticky situation, right, and an electrical stunt technology in particular is very tricky because you're working with UM within very limited parameters of what is going to be effective without

being permanently damaging. UM. You know, it's and and the exact numbers can vary depending on what source you're looking at, but about one to two million amps is the threshold of human perception that you're going to feel a tingle, but it's not really going to going to be painful. UM. Below five million amps, most people retain control of their muscles. That's probably about what you guys were delivering to each other with that with that stune gun way back. Maybe

a little bit more, but not by much. UM six to sixteen is is the range at which most electrical stun weapons fall into. If you go above that, you're going to involve UM a lot of pain and and risk throwing the person into respiratory arrest or paralysis and UM death can even occur at this range, depending on the length of the shock that's delivered. When you get up above a hundred million amps, you're you're going to

risk ventricular fibrillation, which is erratic or uncontrolled heartbeats right. Well, and also I mean to to add to the complexity of this issue and the fact that stun technology uh. While you know, the the premise is something that I think is easily agreeable, like the idea of a technology

that can incapacitate a potentially dangerous target humanely. Uh, I think that you know, most people would say, well, I that's something I think would be good because it may be a weird set of circumstances that brought this all about. And you don't want to necessarily use lethal force or hurt the person you but you definitely want to stop them from being able to hurt someone else. I mean that part I agree with. Yeah, these are these are

real problems that we face and know. There are other ones too that are you know, different levels of they give me different levels of squak. Uh. They're riot shields that have capacitive strips on them that can administer a shock. Uh so for riot control that would be used. There are other one that there's one type of right shield it's called let's see, I think I actually have written down what it was called. Um, it's sell extraction shields.

Or capture shields. So imagine a riot shield, but the curve is in the opposite direction of what it normally is, So instead of being convex, it's concave, so meaning that since it's concave, you could use it to corral someone using the capacity of bands on it. And so these are things that are are troubling not at the same time, it's also troubling to think of people who have to deal with uh, truly violent offenders and how do you do that in a way that keeps the person who

has to you know, deal with this person safe? Like, how do you do that in a way where the guards not put in physical danger uh, while still being as humane as possible in the dealing of of prisoners. This is tough stuff. I mean, obviously this is not an easy thing to talk about. UM. And then there was one other sun technology I wanted to talk about before we get into some the future stuff. Actually to

I'll talk about one is um flash bang grenades. You guys heard about this, right, I mean, like you know, they're used in video games, you see him in movies. They do exist. They're meant to give off a bright flash of light and allowed noise to disorient the targets somless. So yeah, you know, like in the in the movies, you might see something like a team of bank robbers and one of them tosses a flash bang grenade into

a bank and it immediately disorients everyone. Then they rush in, or or it could be a task force that's about to come in on a criminal gang and they toss one in and it ends up causing enough confusion for them to execute a maneuver or whatever. Um In truth, these things can cause massive amounts of damage. I mean, they are explosives. They're meant to just do light and sound really, but there's a concussive force that goes along

with that. So I've seen some videos of like training video where someone was using a flash bang grenade within a a hallway that like an office hallway, and they toss it into the room and the explosion was so great that all of the ceiling tiles fell in on the team outside in the hallway. Yeah, so that would be disorienting for both the people in the room and the people who are out in the hallway that are

supposed to be ready to rush in. Um Uh, that that's a da know, obviously danger anytime you're using concussive force to knock someone out, that is dangerous. Concussion concussion essentially, any sort of concussive force attack is essentially you're you're accelraing the skull so that the brain collides with the inside of the skull, and that can cause permanent nerve and brain damage. Sort of like hitting them on the head. Yeah, it's the knock them on the head with a hammer

cartoon thing. We would like to note for the record that whenever you see in in perhaps your favorite television show, someone knocking out, especially a friend of theirs, for for some brief period of time by just cracking them one on the knoggin, um, that's a bad plan. Don't don't do that. That can cause permanent damage. I mean that. I mean you're talking about making the brain collide with the skull so that it shorts out the nervous system.

That's essentially what you're talking about. So anything with cacussa force is already by its very nature not you know, it's not harmless. It's going to cause some form of harm. It may be temporary, but it could be permanent. And then the last one we're going to talk about, which is you know, less harmful, it's more truly disorienting and not. I don't really consider it a stun technology as so much as again it's something that just truly disorients the

target is using light, high intensity light. So for example, Genesis Illumination developed a strobe light that uses powerful lights to create a disorienting effect that's effective up to a d fifty feet away and they use xenon gas plasma bulbs to generate the light. And you know, a right

you know, like a car headlight. When it's on high, this thing is about twenty three times more intense than that ouch, so intense that if someone were pointing when at you and you were a mile away, you could read to buy it in the middle of the night. That's how bright this thing is. Uh So, the idea is that you hina that the target and it's so bright that the target cannot look in that direction at all,

and it's disorienting. So if you are behind the light, then you're essentially invisible to that person because they cannot see due to that light. So that's a that's one that you know, it it's a deterrent for the person to behave in a particular way, but not truly a stunt, but not a physical overload. Yeah. Alright, So so that kind of catches us up on the technology being used right now. And obviously this is not ideal because like we said, we would love to have the technology that

would this is kind of grim. Um does does the future hold anything perhaps less terrifying? Well, I was trying to think of what might be more similar to the actual style of stunted phaser we see and say Star Trek, which, if you'll recall, is a directed energy weapon, you know. So what we're talking about mostly is like stunned guns where you have to stick somebody with something and pumping physical contact with something that's generating electricity. Yeah, so that's

one part of it. Also, as as we've just been discussing, it is potentially painful and potentially dangerous. So so it's not as as clean as the Star Trek portrayal. Is there anything like that? Well, short answer, as far as I can tell, no, Keep in mind, there's stuff that's classified that we can't know about. Um, So there may be things like this in development. There may be things

like this we discover in the future. But h but here here's a few things I found that that are sort of getting close as far as the directed energy weapon goes. I mean, one thing about the stun setting on the Phaser and Star Trek is that you can be pretty far away, um and you can zap somebody and and and put them out that way. Uh. Is there anything like that, like a like a sort of blast.

Well could Yeah. So in two thousand five, the U. S. Department of Defense announced that they developed a thing called a personal Halting and Stimulation Response Rifles. That was the Phaser acronym there phaser without any so it's like faster uh. And basically this would be a low energy pulsing laser. And what they claim is that it was a non lethal,

non permanent blinding effect. So would temporarily blind the enemy or the victim or whatever you would call them, blind someone temporarily without permanent damage, and that would incapacitate them. Now again, that's not the same thing as a yeah, the strobe disorienting um and uh so yeah, it would simply the quote they used was dazzle the victim um like a mutant from X Men. Yeah. The funny thing that that was that there was a little buzz about this when it came out, but I haven't read a

whole lot about it since then. Um And so it wouldn't introduce paralysis or unconsciousness. Also, it sounds a little fishy, like I'd be worried that the purveyors of this technology

might be a little overly sanguine about its supposed harmlessness. Right, I'd say that in general, the the inventors of things like this are more willing to sign off on on the safety than perhaps entire teams of of third parties that are you know, a little bit more that aren't aren't directly interested in whether or not the project succeeds or fails. Um. So yeah, so that's a sort of at least that is directed energy. Right. So would that

be a laser thing? You could do it at a distance and um and it would be non lethal and supposedly not cause any permanent damage. Okay, but on the other side, wouldn't knock you unconscious? And don't know how actually non damaging? Well? Well, what else? Uh, there's the active denial system. Okay, what's this? I have not but that sounds amazing. I go through every day. It's a combination of amazing and messed up. Yeah. So basically this is an idea of incapacitating people, but again it's not

going to make them unconscious. The idea is that you blast a sort of focused beam of millimeter wave radiation and what's the effect When it hits you. It causes intense, non damaging pain. So did I tell you guys about the time I went camping and hit myself in an active denial system ray? I mean it was going around the whole group, and I thought, well, okay, it was it was low power. Anyway, I've actually seen one of these,

and not personally. I have seen one of these used in a video where it was something similar to this anyway, may not have been this specific implementation you're talking about, but there was a reporter who was talking about this technology and was being shown how it works, and the the reporter was first told to stand in this one position and they were going to turn the ray on on him. The ray, by the way, it was just connected to a big truck. It was not what you

would call portable. Um not well, I mean not portable in the sense of a single person. A team could move it around, but anyway, the ray was directed at him, and he immediately needed to jump out the way. So it was like a kind of a very hot sensation that he like, it was just too hot to to to stand. Yeah. And so then they gave him various types of stuff to hold in front of him as he would advance on the position of the ray to

see like if help. Yeah, so you had like plywood or a mattress or all this other kind of stuff because I again, this was a sort of a kind of a riot dispersal sort of of tool. And uh, and he couldn't He couldn't do that either. He couldn't withstand it much longer than he could if it was just standing there, and he was wearing it was a cold day, so he was wearing layers of clothing too. It was clear that this thing worked quickly. Yeah. Uh yeah.

So again interesting in that it's directed energy, so you can do it at a distance. Um. It is non lethal, um, but some similar objections as the other one. It's not going to render you unconscious. The ethics of it or a little questionable in that it is intentionally meant to cause pain pain right the same way that that tear gas or something like that is meant to cause you

such extreme discomfort that you want to be anywhere else. Yeah, And I think there's also a question, even though it's generally agreed to be non lethal, there's a question of well, I mean, could it's in some sorry, could it in some cases cause injury that could there be cell mutation that could lead to very serious problems down the line. I mean you're talking about things that could potentially have implications years later. Yeah, all right, well, okay, so we've

got we've got pain, and we've got light. Is there anything else out there? There's another light? One actually can still be directed energy. It's a version of don't remember in Minority Report the six stick. Yeah, yeah, I have no memory of this. Actually I remember Minority Report, but for some reason, this is not coming back to me. It's a non lethal weapon where basically it's designed to instead of injuring you, just to make you sick so

I can suddenly become nauseated. Yeah. It incapacitates you by making you double over with nausea and vomiting and dizziness fun times. Yeah, and so that's in a way it's similar to active denial. You might say and that it's supposed to cause you discomfort that makes it unable for you to continue doing whatever you're doing. After effects of a frat party, yeah, but without injuring you in any permanent way, unlike the after effects of a front party. Right.

But apparently you can sort of recreate some of this experience by creating what some people have, which is a a display of pulsing led lights, and if you have them pulse at different frequencies, can actually it'll sort of cause waves of sea sickness to I know people who who replicate this effect on a weekly basis, but they do it voluntarily. Um. So that's that's another one. So

that could be directed energy at a distance. And supposedly, how if you could get this to work really well, you could incapacitate someone with a wave of sickness just by light. Um. So that's interesting. But again, it it's not quite as clean as Star Trek. It's I mean, it's not nice to make people double over with vomiting. Um. I think it might be preferable to killing them, I guess, I guess, but it's still right, a little bit less

than humane. Yeah, I'm looking forward to a directed energy weapon that just shoots Internet cat memes into the eyes of the attackers, so they just stop and go oh that's interesting. Yeah. I wonder if there there could be like a procrastination gun, so that what whenever somebody has designs to do something really bad, like they're running at you with a knife, you display images that make them

really distracted and want to click. You know, there is a procrastination gun, but you can't actually fire it because you always put it off till later. I I think that this will have great application when we all have Google Glass and etcetera wired directly into our brains. So oh yeah, somebody could like hack your vision huh yeah and just just send you straight to the like cute ducks riding room bows channel or something just like. It would just be that for the next three hours. Suddenly

we just go out. I was going to commit violence. U it's the only thing better? Is the only thing better is cute ducks riding doom buzz Oh No, we're back to the dark place again. Guys. All right, let's let's get out of this. All right. Well, you know that do you have anything other than the various forms of ridiculous? No, So I just wanted to report after all that that I, as far as I know, there's

nothing like a phaser set to stunt out there. There is no such technology that we know of, and I haven't I haven't even really found anybody saying here's how it might be done. Well, here here's what I how

I want to wrap this up. I mean, first of all, obviously, if we have to have these kind of tools, then I would prefer it if we could find a way where we could have that wonderful Star Trek approach where you know where it is safe and and you know, you just gently kind of sit down right, and then you wake up and you're in the holding cell until you're calmed down and then everything's okay, or you're you know, con and you end up taking over the enterprise from

the holding cell. Whatever. But what I really hope is that we can strive for a future where this sort of becomes a moot point anyway, where we don't even need to worry about this kind of thing because we've gotten to a point where we're able to have conversations and work things out. And I mean, obviously that's like the touching clearly Star Trek future, but that's more. Really, I really strive for that there aren't the kind of socioeconomic factors that drive the kind of riots that make

the story exactly we're talking. We're talking about a world that is dramatically different from the one we have, and I think it's one that I honestly think it really is something that is attainable if we if we really put our minds to it. And uh, you know that certainly can sound a little pollyannish to some people, but I don't care. You know what, I'm reading Jim Hinson's

by aography and it's really affecting me. So if the dude thought that puppets could change the world, I think, you know, why don't we all give that a shot. So we've had some fun talking about this, and of course we've also addressed the very real concerns about this kind of technology, but ultimately it's one of those that we hope eventually phases out onto the phase thing I did, I see exactly what you did there? Well, that wraps up this discussion. A forward thinking guys go to f

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