Episode 58: Who is this King?

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Brenton
This is further a weekly show for the people of Harmony Bible Church, where we seek to revisit and expand on Sunday sermons with the goal of growing deeper in biblical truth that transforms our lives. Welcome back to Further in Britain GRIMM This week we first of all have Chris back in studio. So welcome back. But we also have a new guest this week.

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Brenton
So Paul Fishback is in here and he preached this week on Luke 19. So, Paul, I want to take a little bit to kind of introduce you. You're the first is first time you're on here. And also, can you kind of talk about what your role is here?

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Paul
Yeah, it's an honor to be able to give the message this week and appreciate that opportunity. My role as pastor of Discipleship and so some people have been asking me, what does that mean? And so I have the opportunity to lead our discipleship ministries for adults, but also for children and students. So I get to work with our director of children's ministry and our student ministry pastors and and then lead the adult discipleship efforts that are throughout our church at our various campuses.

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Paul
Yeah.

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Brenton
Great. Yeah. You're I know you're working on some different models and things to bring to harmony as far as disciples trip. And I'm excited about kind of rolling those out and seeing where where that goes.

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Chris
Hebron. This is not related to anything on today, but I just recognize that we have most of the NFC North represented here on the pike yesterday. We're just missing a Detroit Lions fan.

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Brenton
So I think the Lions are always missing fans, aren't they?

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Chris
So Brenton is the Vikings fan.

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Brenton
It's true. Thanks for bringing that up.

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Chris
Yeah.

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Brenton
We're all losers.

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Chris
Yeah, well, I'll.

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Paul
Speak for yourself.

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Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, again, nothing to do with I.

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Brenton
Appreciate.

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Chris
Luke 19 or we.

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Brenton
Have any Lions fans on staff?

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Chris
Not that I know of any.

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Brenton
So.

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Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Until recently, nobody would want to identify themselves as the lions, but. Yeah, yeah.

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Brenton
Yeah. All right. Yeah. Okay, so back to you, Chris, why don't you talk about Good Friday and Easter? We got that coming up this week. What's the plan? What do you what are you going to be going through?

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Chris
Yeah, so really looking forward to this weekend. This is really the highlight of the year for us and I really think should be the highlight for for believers as we celebrate and remember the most significant events of our faith and really in history, the crucifixion and the resurrection. And so we're going to continue to be in in Luke going to move forward to to Luke 23 on Good Friday and Luke 24 on Easter.

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Chris
And so we're going to really continue along the lines of what Paul's talking about on Sunday of of how we often have expectations of Jesus that are not in line with reality and just get a little ahead. But one of the things I really, really liked from Paul Sermon was how it talked about how the reality of Jesus is much better than the expectations, whatever our expectations are.

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Chris
And so we're going to really explore that more and have a great opportunity on Friday to gather and just to really focus on the cross, partake in communion together. It's going to be a special evening and then on Sunday morning, we'll have the opportunity to really preach the gospel to more people than we will at any time during the year.

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Chris
And several thousand people will gather across seven services in our three campuses, and then we'll have quite a few more probably join us online. So it's a really great opportunity.

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Brenton
Yeah, I always look forward to when all of our campuses can come together and so really looking forward to Good Friday. I think that's going to be a great time. And then, yeah, a lot of services on Easter, so it'll be good. All right. So Paul, as you've studied this, you know, it's a very familiar passage this week.

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Brenton
What was there anything that stood out to you in, you know, kind of fresh or new way?

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Paul
Yeah, I mean, I tried to bring out some of that in the message itself. I think the the harmonizing of the gospel accounts was just insightful to put the pieces together from the different gospel accounts about what happened on Palm Sunday. Digging into that, I think into the details of that help me. I kind of understand a little bit better about what took place on that day, what was kind of going through people's minds, maybe some of the emotion of that day, and then especially seeing Christ reaction to that as well, and talked about his intentionality leading up to that, but then to see how he ends up responding with weeping over the city.

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Paul
Yeah, it's a pretty powerful picture of what Christ did there. So. Yeah.

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Brenton
Yeah, that's good. Was there anything that you didn't have time to get into that you wish you could have?

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Paul
Yeah, I. I debated whether or not to put up some pictures of some of the geography, some of the maps of, of what I think we talked about Luke mentioning that Jesus started from Capernaum setting his face to church Jerusalem and then heading on down and over a hundred mile journey. And as a long way. And there's a lot that happened between then.

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Paul
Of course you can't cover all that. But but then when you even talk about over and over, it says going up to Jerusalem and the geography of that, you know, Jericho is 800 feet below sea level. The city of Jerusalem is 2700 feet above sea level. So I like to climb mountains myself. I go out to Colorado every year and like to climb some mountains, and that's about 3500 feet of elevation gain, which is a significant climb.

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Paul
So you just think about even some of the things that went into that day. There were just some things I just couldn't get into, but just some powerful things there.

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Chris
Have you ever been there ever? Yeah. Yes, several times. And yeah, it's kind of interesting because Jerusalem is south of Capernaum. So when you say going up, it gets kind of confusing. But going up with what I was talking about was going up the mountain and, and pretty much every where around they you're going up if you're coming to Jerusalem from pretty much anywhere else.

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Chris
And so, yeah, it's it's it's quite a climb and interest very interesting geography so yeah.

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Brenton
Know did you climb it did you make the trek.

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Chris
I climbed a fair amount of it. Yeah. Actually you can, you can actually walk the steps and follow from, you know, the Mount of Olives up the up really lily pavement, the stones to where he was actually in prison that night. And most of what's described in the gospels from the night of the arrest in in the Garden of Yosemite to the time where he stands before pilot and of course, obviously goes before the Jewish religious leaders and then before pilot.

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Chris
And there's hair. I mean, so you can you can literally walk and see where most of that actually took place and walk in those steps. So, yeah, it's amazing. Here we get a chance to go.

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Paul
Now, when you were I from what I read and saw and pictures, it looks like the Mount of Olives, several hundred feet maybe above the city of Jerusalem. And you see the city from that point?

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Chris
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, that's that's an amazing view to be on the Mount of Olives and to be able to so you could look over the Kidron Valley there and then and then you got Jerusalem on, on the other side of that valley and you can see pretty much the whole thing. So it's it's pretty amazing.

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Paul
Yeah. From the Mount of Olives to the Jerusalem, there's the Kidron Valley. That's also where the garden testimony is, Right?

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Chris
Right on and on the Mount of Olives. Yeah.

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Paul
Yeah.

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Chris
And that's so and you can go I mean there's a place where they believe is the the garden examining be there and among the olive trees is pretty interesting.

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Paul
Yeah. Which that kind of leads into another thing I didn't get to actually talk much about, but you know I referenced Matthew, you talking about Jesus riding in on a cold was a fulfillment of the prophecy in Zachariah nine nine. And then there's there's a lot more prophecy that Zachariah had to say specifically about the the Messiah. And in Zachariah 14 there's quite a bit there.

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Paul
There's the talk of their king arriving to save them, basically deliver them and talks about the nations will come to Jerusalem and make war and then it pictures this king arriving on the Mount of Olives and and then you know defeating his enemies and then setting up his rulership there. So you can see why the people reading Zachariah would have a perception of their king coming down the Mount of Olives being their rescuer, you know, in that very real sense.

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Paul
That way.

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Brenton
Yeah, for.

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Paul
Sure.

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Brenton
There. That was something that I didn't really plan on talking about. But the the the way that that prophecy was fulfilled from Zachariah is, you know, when when we think of prophecy being fulfilled, it's usually, you know, something like, you know, Jesus was born in this place, something he didn't have control over. But in this situation he did have control over this.

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Brenton
And he specifically went and got this this donkey because of the prophecy, right. He he, like, willingly fulfilled this prophecy, which was kind of just an interesting way as we're, you know, reading through this, that that that prophecy was fulfilled as opposed to other things that, you know, seemingly were kind of out of his control.

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Chris
Well, guys, if the situation in the Middle East ever gets resolved, maybe we'll be able to go on a trip together to actually visit the.

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Brenton
Sounds great.

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Paul
So I'm really hoping to get there some time.

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Chris
Working on plans for that. But, yeah, events are kind of getting in the way right now. We can pray that that will get resolved not just for certainly for us, but for many other reasons.

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Paul
Yeah.

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Brenton
verse 38 says Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord. Paul, you spent a lot of time discussing the characteristics of the Christ's kingship. This term is, is really used a lot in, in the church to describe Jesus to the point where I wonder if it's kind of lost some, some, some significance in our vocabulary.

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Brenton
what does it mean for Christ to be our king?

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Paul
Well, you mentioned kingship as described a lot about Jesus, but if you think of all throughout Scripture, the Kingdom of God is a theme from the Old Testament all the way through. Yeah. New Testament. And now I'm reading right now through the Bible in a year. Just started reading it for Samuel. And you know, that's the first time where the Israel demands a king.

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Paul
And Samuel, the prophet is very upset about that. And the Lord tells Samuel they haven't rejected you. They have rejected me as their king. And so that's what God says to Samuel. They don't even have a king yet. But he said, I've been their king. I've been a functioning as that. So, you know, God describes himself as as our king.

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Paul
We don't live under moniker monarchies. So I think it's difficult for us maybe to maybe relate to that. But I you know, I guess the only Monica you have to kind of look at is the UK. And sure, we that's really more of a figurehead.

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Chris
That might not be the best place to look though, especially these days.

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Brenton
Yeah.

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Paul
Time Yeah. So there's there's that kind of obsession with, with, you know, the monarchy there. But it's really a figurehead thing. So we don't really see or understand kingship in the same way that Israel did. But, you know, when we look biblically at it, you know, Christ I mentioned Jesus referred to himself as the Lord in this passage, and that meant master or ruler.

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Paul
And and so he had he had and does have authority. And when we choose to follow him, we are making him our king, our Lord, our ruler, and that means submission to him. One of the things I was trying to kind of pull out of that on Sunday was, you know, what I shared at the end about my own personal testimony of coming to faith in Christ, where I just really resisted that submission.

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Paul
And for me it was an understanding of realizing I would have to submit to him as my Lord in a resistance to that initially before I did send that. So I kind of see that as when we when I talk about like Christ being king, that's kind of how I look at that. It is a submission to his rulership in my life.

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Brenton
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think that's kind of where I was going with those, you know, the it's almost synonymous with with God being our Lord. But, you know, I think in, in some way we've kind of it, you know, in some circles we've kind of lost that, that idea that Christ is actually our Lord and he gets to dictate how we live.

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Brenton
Like he has the right to to speak and to how we live and expect certain things of us. So how you know the story. And Luke, how do you think his kingship that's portrayed there, how does that differ from the kingship that we'll see in final judgment?

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Paul
Well, yeah, like you said, and we mentioned the kingship, the Kingdom of God is really talked about all throughout Scripture and ultimately culminates, is prophecy in the Book of Revelation where Christ sets up his kingdom. We do believe Jesus is coming back physically and visibly, and we'll be able to see Him in his return. He said he would return just like he left, and that's what we read in the Book of Acts.

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Paul
And so we look forward to that day and it will be different. It's not going to be like his first coming, but, you know, there will be a time of judgment, a final judgment, and and then, you know, there's all kinds of ideas of what his kingdom will look like at that point.

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Brenton
Tell them all to me.

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Paul
I don't think I have time to get into all of that. You know, there's some very specific ideas, but I do think there is, you know, what will the kingdom look like in the final judgment? We can speculate on some of that. There's clear that Jesus will return. It's clear that he will set up his kingdom. But he also has set in some sense, his kingdom has arrived.

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Paul
And so we are now living in a partial fulfillment of that kingdom as Christ rules and reigns in us and impacts the world that way.

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Chris
So yeah, I mean, where my mind goes is you, you made the distinction or you pointed out, you know, the difference between riding in on a horse and riding on a donkey and the donkey really representing more humility in that. And when he came, you know, when Jesus came the first time, he he he offers us the opportunity to submit to his kingship.

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Chris
When he comes the next time, there will be no longer any offer it. Everyone will just be, you know, we will already be submitting to him or he will force those who have not submitted to submit to him. And I think of Revelation 19 and again, you know, where does this all fit in and how does it, you know, how is this all going to come together?

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Chris
But we are you know, we're told that there comes one who on his robe and on his thigh is a name written king of kings and Lord of Lords. And right before that, he says he will tread the wine press to the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty. And so the next time when he comes, he's not coming so much on the donkey coming to offer, you know, And as the opportunity it's it's here it is, it's over.

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Chris
And now judgment is coming for all those who've not submitted to him. And you know, Paul talks Philippians to every Nebo, every tongue, confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God, the Father. So that's going to be it's going to be different. Yeah, it's going to be great for those who have submitted. So that's our hope.

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Chris
That's the day we're longing for. But it should be terrifying to anyone who too, as not. Yeah.

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Brenton
Yeah. We see a very and you brothers out, Paul, but we see a very humble king and in this story in the in the Luke story but that is the patience of God. Yeah. Working itself out. And one day that patient will run out and so.

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Paul
Well you know we I also talked about the he's compassionate in his right when he was weeping over the city, wanting people to see the terms for peace between us and God. And so he you know, his scripture says he's patient with us not wanting anyone to perish but ever want to come to repentance. And so we have that opportunity now.

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Paul
And and that's what we call people to.

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Brenton
Yeah, good. Another thing you talked about on Sunday was the idea of perceptual blindness. And I thought it was funny you brought up that that example of the salt. And my wife just looks over at me and smiles because of a conversation.

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Chris
You probably weren't the only one who got it like that. I doubt. I mean.

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Paul
I could see it from the stage. There were several people looking at each other.

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Brenton
And, you know, the idea is that we can oftentimes miss things that are right in front of our eyes, right in front of our eyes. Do you think that the church exhibits that issue today when it comes to our view of God?

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Paul
I do. I think it, you know, can vary and depends on from person to person. But, you know, we were talking a little bit earlier and I was, Sharon, I think sometimes the way we perceive God is often not necessarily established from what we know about him in Scripture and understand that to be true. But sometimes it's based on our relationship with our parents.

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Paul
And, you know, an example in my life, as I think about how I've perceived God, depending on how I interact with my dad. Yeah. You know, in, in when I was younger, when my dad was upset with me, I, I tried to avoid him and waited till things cooled down and, you know, and then I translated that often.

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Paul
And after I became a believer. And so how I reacted with God, you know, if I felt like I was in trouble with God, then I would isolate myself and kind of move away from him, not toward him, which isn't accurate. But that's how I perceive God. Like he's mad at me. I can't approach him. So I think sometimes we can have wrong perceptions of who God is based on our preconceived ideas.

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Brenton
Yeah. And I, you know, the in this story, the people that have those misconceptions, you know, they they got those ideas from Scripture, right? It was it was from a misreading of scripture. And they they didn't know that. But, you know, I think that that's probably still the case to this day, too, that we just you know, we we gather information we we think is correct about God through scripture, but is is not.

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Brenton
And so, yeah, that was something we had talked about earlier, is that, you know, because of that, there's there's good reason to hold these kind of secondary things with an open hand.

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Paul
Absolutely. I mean, as we were just talking about, you know, the the second coming, you know, we have different varying views on what that's going to look like. And the the people back in Jesus's day had a pretty convinced they were convinced in their own mind what that looked like. And so that should be a lesson to us.

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Paul
Open keep those things with an open hand.

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Brenton
Not that they're not important.

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Paul
No, but they are important. Yeah. And we should be fully convinced in our own mind. But we also should realize we may not have everything figured out.

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Chris
Yeah, which is why humility is so important. I think the the Pharisees in particular got themselves in. The trouble is that they really lacked humility. And when you lack humility and and you know, you you're not going to be open to where you might be wrong. And that's a really dangerous thing. We're all susceptible to it. But I like what you say, Brendan, about why these secondary matters.

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Chris
We've got to recognize that they're not essentials, okay? And so we got to be really careful that we don't, you know, just doggedly we've got to hold on to those things because we we know that doesn't mean we don't we're not sure am rock solid on the things that are very, very clear. That's again, back to that theological triage and what our what's the gospel, what's the absolutes we need to know.

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Chris
But then after that, you know, everything after those things are secondary matters and, and there's room for disagreement, which means that there's room for disagreement. We could very well be wrong. And yeah, that's we just get ourselves in trouble when we're not humble and leave it open that there are potentially other people who see this better than we do.

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Chris
And I think it is really clear we're all going to get to heaven one day. We're going to find out there are certain things that, you know, we were wrong about. And you know, like Brian, I could point out several things for, you know, bringing onto that.

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Paul
Well.

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Chris
I'm joking, but, you know, yeah, again, humility is so essential. Yeah.

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Paul
And I think about the process of discipleship if we should be maturing in our faith, that's what the word calls us to do, that we should grow and mature into Christ likeness. If, if our beliefs and and understandings of God never change, then we're we have an arrogant position saying that when I was even young in my faith, I knew all that I needed to know about who God is and who I am.

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Paul
And in Christ. And so, yeah, we should expect that over time, as we mature in Christ, we learn about more about who He is. We understand the word better that our thoughts and beliefs and understandings about God are going to mature as well, and that should change.

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Brenton
So yeah, absolutely. Verses 41 through 44 include a prophecy from Jesus about the destruction of the temple in in 70 A.D. And I, you know, one thing that that stuck out to me especially like it's obvious in this section was Jesus's heart through this is really heavy through the through the entire time when he's writing in like he he sees you know, he sees what's to come, but he also sees the state of that city that he loved.

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Brenton
Yeah. And there's there's such a difference between the people that are celebrating him and he's coming up coming in with this heavy heart. But, you know, one of the things he talks about right after that is the destruction of the temple. So what what happened in 7080 either one of you can take that?

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Paul
Well, the Romans came and destroyed the temple. that was obviously in fulfillment of what Jesus had said, but it had been prophesied even before that as well.

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Chris
Yeah. I mean the, the Jews were known for rebelling against whichever government was in authority over them at a certain time, and they had done so against the Roman Empire numerous times. And the Romans finally got fed up with it. And so I believe Titus was the ruler. And so he, you know, sent his army and they just they level know, they level the place.

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Chris
And so it I believe and there are different ways of viewing this, but is God's judgment on the Jewish people for rejecting the Messiah. And I think that's what Jesus weeping over there is, is not so much the destruction of the temple is like like this is you know, you're rejecting me. And this is going to be the somewhat of the fallout from that.

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Brenton
Well, yeah. And we see like right after this, this prophecy, he he goes in, you know, because of the den of robbers. Right. So like, he's even pointing out specific instances of of perversion that's happening in the temple point.

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Chris
Yeah. So.

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Paul
But it's interesting, even later that Easter week as Jesus goes to trial, the the crowd demands Barabbas rather than in exchange for Jesus who is an insurrectionist himself. And so they were looking for someone who would be their overcomer their to overthrow that government. So and they'd rather have Barabbas and Jesus himself. Yeah.

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Chris
You know, verse 44, he says, You, you know, this happens is going to happen because you did not know the time of your visitation. I think what he's talking about there is, you know, the time where the king visited, where he was here, you didn't recognize us. You're not recognizing me. Now with what would be interesting to have a discussion about is what would have happened if they had recognized him.

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Chris
That's the.

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Paul
Question I thought.

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Chris
You were going to end. You know, and I mean, I think it's really in somewhat it's not really even a question to to answer, because that was not the plan. That was not what had been foretold. And and yet I do think, if you want to that make this really, really practical for us is we we have to be careful that we don't.

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Chris
And this ties into your to your message that we don't miss the day of our visitation like and and I think about that this coming Sunday where there will be hundreds and hundreds of people who don't normally attend church who I probably would say are not believers, but they'll they'll come with family or they'll they'll make the you know, they were here Christmas Eve back at Easter, or maybe they'll try out.

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Chris
And I just think about, okay, they're this is there there's an opportunity like they're going to hear the gospel. They're going to not only be priests, but it's going to be saying there's baptisms and like, so this is their opportunity. And when we we never know when it's our last, like our last opportunity. And so I, I would never put myself in the place of Jesus, but in some ways I, I that I get heavy heart.

00;28;08;21 - 00;28;25;13
Chris
I love this weekend heavy hearted for every year or two because I, I just get concerned for the people who may become year in and year out to Easter but they miss they miss the king of Easter. They miss the person at Easter.

00;28;25;15 - 00;28;26;02
Brenton
Yeah.

00;28;26;04 - 00;28;39;00
Paul
And I want to reflect the the compassion of Jesus here, that I have a heart for people to know the Lord as much as Jesus did. Yeah, that's great. Invite them to come.

00;28;39;03 - 00;29;08;24
Brenton
Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, this section kind of ends on a downer here, but I think, you know, we we all know what, what that story brings. And so we can, we can, we can rely on, on the hope that the resurrection brings, you know, a week later. So yeah, as we kind of wrap this episode up, I looking forward to to the weekend and looking forward to celebrating the resurrection.

00;29;08;29 - 00;29;31;19
Brenton
And with that we are not going to have our next episode. So the next episode that comes out will be on the 10th of April. So looking forward to that. But Paul, I appreciate it. Thanks for preparing the sermon and for coming out here. Dave That's for having me, Yeah. Chris, good to have you back.

00;29;31;22 - 00;29;32;16
Chris
Always good to be here.

00;29;32;18 - 00;29;35;10
Brenton
We'll talk to you guys in a couple of weeks. Thanks for listening.