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Episode 205 - SSS - Stolen DNA!

Oct 12, 202441 min
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David

Welcome to silly speculation. Speculation, Saturday, allergy day. Allergy

Leila

Yeah, silly speculation, allergy day.

David

There's no got the allergies days of the week to start with a so we can't do like an allergy day, all

Leila

of the all allergy

David

all day, every day. It's all I do. This is, this is the Fun Fact Friday feed. But this is a silly speculation Saturday. What that means is, if you're normally listening to a Fun Fact Friday, silly speculation Saturdays, we go into topics, and sometimes they're a little more controversial. Some we do, some we do some speculating and some ranting and raving about things. So it's not your typical episode. Talk about a little

more, sometimes a little more disturbing topics. So you know, listener discretion is advised, if you're letting the kiddos Listen, what are we? What are we? What are we doing?

Unknown

I don't know. And, like,

David

I read the whole thing, right? But stolen DNA, yeah, yeah. And other other similar, similar things. We were going into some stories about the the medical industrial complex and universities and things like that, doing somewhat, somewhat shady things, as they do with people's, people's body parts and, you know, genetic information. But before that, we're gonna go into our little where we've been doing this

week. Yeah, because, you know, we got, we got stuff going on. I broke, I broke our internet.

Leila

Yeah, he did, like, don't want to manually fix it.

David

Monday, I was fiddling around with things on the on the network, as I do, and I broke it. I was didn't set one of the settings in my pie hole correctly, which is a pie hole is a whole network ad blocker and DNS server, and I was setting that up. So we're grabbing DNS from the source instead of from a DNS service like CloudFlare, Google or ISP, so we don't have as many people looking at, you know, what we're typing in on on the internet, you know, less people spying on

us, getting our information. We'll go into that in a minute. So

Leila

we look up little funny cat videos they can't tell. Well,

David

it's, you know, they're gonna get information out of everybody, you know, all of these companies and the government and all that stuff, they're going to get the information. But why make it easy for them? You know? Plus, it lets me block certain things from certain places, like the computer is constantly asking Microsoft for information, or sending information from usage from Windows to Microsoft, and I've blocked those domains, so now that information is not

leaving the computer. It's just, you know, not getting there. So anyway, I was doing that, and I messed up a setting, and it made our router go haywire and lost all of our static IP information, and lost all anyway. Lost internet. Everything went out. It was a mess. But I took the opportunity. I took, you know, let no crisis go to waste. So I took the opportunity to redo some stuff and get get the

network working a whole lot better. Got a nice double Minecraft server on the network now, so we can not have to pay Microsoft for realm and but have, we have an always on server, which is fun, that's cool stuff. And, you know, watch a bunch of other little services here and there in the network, and everything's nice and laid out well, and everything, everything works great. You got the sniffles. So one of the things that got got us on this topic

Leila

space for someone, there, you have the sniffles, don't you? Yeah,

David

the sniffles, don't you? Microphones muted

Leila

because I'm sniffling.

David

So we got, we got a message on Mastodon on social media.com, we're Fun Fact Friday on there. And we got a message, excuse me,

Leila

and you got a cough, don't you?

David

I got a little cough, a little cough that was talking about we were last episode. I believe we were talking about the lady whose cells were being used in a whole lot of stuff. And we got, we got, I can't remember who we get the message from. Who's that from? Who's that from? I'm on the wrong you're at the wrong airport. I'm at the wrong airport. I'm in the wrong Mastodon account. I was tagged on my personal account, which is me [email protected] this media.com if anybody wants to

follow me on there, if you're on the Fed. Verse anywhere and I can't remember my password, there we go, and I can pop into my notification. This is riveting radio, right? Yeah, it is listening to, oh, it's cousin Vito. Cousin, yeah, that's cousin veto. I knew it was one of our regular listeners, Henri Ella. I even said Henrietta lack, with exclamation

Leila

points, you gotta, we gotta exclaim it. Henrietta lack,

David

just put a cup over the bug. Just put a cup over the bug. We couldn't put a cup over the bug. The bug was all tangled up. We've got wires. We've got XLR cables and USB cables and little light lights hanging down. We got wire whiteboard wires everywhere in this ceiling, and there's network, yeah,

Leila

we have a cable hider that

Unknown

doesn't hide any cables.

Leila

I just noticed that there's no cables in that cable hider

Unknown

running through the cable hider. That's

Leila

hilarious thing. So it's just more obvious for decorations.

David

Um, anyway, we ended up catching the bug. We got it outside. It's all good. It was a stink bug, and it was a stink bug. You don't want to kill those because they stink. Any who that gave me the idea? I was like, Henrietta lack Yes, thank you. I knew it was in my head somewhere. I couldn't get to it. I was like, that's such an interesting story. Why don't we do like, an episode about that sort of thing? So we did, we're just what we're doing. You're listening, you're listening to

them, right? Yeah, I don't know what Leila has been up to this week. Whole lot of nothing, yeah, whole lot of nothing. Whole lot of math. Tooting on horns. She's got her, she got her. What you got, like, four horns now? Yeah,

Leila

I have a flute, I have a saxophone, I got a trumpet, I got a baritone you

David

gotta, yeah, you're printing a trombone, right? Yeah, we're 3d printing a trombone. She'll definitely play that on the show and she gets done. If I yeah, I can, no, you're playing it. I don't care if it barely makes noise. You're playing baritone. I

Leila

hear. I don't want to hurt that baritone, actually, yeah, it's

David

not, not hers. Yeah, it's borrowed. She's borrowing it from somebody.

Leila

It's expensive. Oh

David

my gosh, yes. Oh yeah. So anyway, Hila cells come from Henrietta lack, hella, Hila. I think it's Hila because it's Henrietta lack, so

Leila

hey, but it's not he, he Henrietta. Exactly, but it's also not Jeff, so, right.

David

So Henrietta was born in her lax. Was born in 1920 in Virginia,

Leila

Roanoke, Virginia and Roanoke specifically.

David

So she became, she was an African American woman who became an unwitting donor to one of the most important cell lines in medical history in 1951 at the age of 31 she sought treatment at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore for a painful lump, and she was diagnosed with cancer. Yeah, and they took some of her cells and without her knowing, yeah, they were just like, this one himself, yeah, scrape, scrape,

scrape the test tube. They were unique. So, like I was saying in the other episode, they reproduce indefinitely, yeah, in a lab setting. So they put them in a little, you know, over time, normally, like, like, if I put my cells in a little petri dish to grow, you know, they'd reproduce for a little while, but after a while they get they'd be like, nah, this ain't

worth it. We even on David, why are we reproducing here? Yeah, so, since they can reproduce, right, they've got infinite cells of the same genetic makeup, which is perfect for experimenting on. Because, you know, normally, like, you're like, Okay, well, this does, like, resupply exactly, expires, expires. So, like, you have to get a different person cells and things may react differently. I know a lot of some, like pain

pills work great for Phaedra, but not for me. You know, different people, different DNA things, but if you have all the same cells, you can do a whole lot of, a lot more testing and whatnot. So they were like, cool, we got it. We got a gold mine here, right? We can do all kinds of, all kinds of testing. Yeah. Well, they didn't ask,

Leila

yeah, they just kind of took it

David

from her. They were like, so yeah, we got, we got these cells. We're just gonna keep doing stuff with them, and we're gonna, we're gonna sell this research, and we're gonna make a whole lot of money making pharmaceuticals for different things and cosmetics and, yeah, all kinds of good stuff. It

Leila

helped with the polio vaccine. Helped to be developed successfully.

David

It also helped with cancer research. Her cells been used with cancer and cancer research, genetic research, heck yeah, space research, because they wanted to study the effects of zero gravity on human cells.

Leila

I just threw a Petri dish. The space, yeah, so I'm thinking about sling

Unknown

shot it up there, like, like, it's a road runner cartoon. Just keeps going.

David

And in in vitro fertilization techniques were used, or were, you know, anyway, there's a whole lot of people out there making a whole lot of money. That would not be possible if we were not for Henrietta Lacks, yeah, her family was not even informed that of her cell use until the 70s.

Leila

They didn't get any stuff from Lady. Didn't get benefit, no, from it.

David

No. It's like, if Henrietta Lacks had written a book and had the copyright to it, anybody who uses that book, she could, you know, she would get money for it, licensing fees, royalties, things like that, or wrote a song, you know. But the most private of all data, your DNA, you know, yeah, it's like that there. You just used it willy nilly without even telling her, yeah. Like, wow, that's, that's pretty cruddy it

is. And the 70s, the LAX family was living in poverty, couldn't afford health insurance, which is, you know, interesting, because her cells are out there making medicines and stuff, probably that they couldn't afford. Yeah, you know, it's, it's a, it's a messed up story. It is. However, in 19, no in 2013 the NIH National Institutes for Health gave some control of Henrietta's genome data to the Lacks family, which you know

Henrietta has, you know, passed away. She was born Loretta. Her first name was actually Loretta, and her family does not know why she goes by Henrietta.

Unknown

Maybe she's like, Yes. She's like, Yeah, that's like, Henrietta better, yeah, um,

David

I've known people who just had a nickname that was just another normal name, like the guy's name was Mike, and he went by Tom, or is it your middle name? It's like, Nah, I like Tom. That's just the name I picked. Okay, go for it, buddy. Now, in 2020 the Howard Hughes Medical Institute made a very like created a significant grant and gave it to the Henrietta Lacks foundation. What's up, buddy? Yes, a grant is free money. We're looking, we're looking for grants for Fun Fact

Friday. So if anybody knows about any grants out there that we could apply for, just for being, you know, the greatest podcast in the world now is a free money, or, like, tax money. No, it's free money. It's a lot of grants do come from the government.

Unknown

Yeah?

David

Now, okay, now, okay. So, yes, those come come out of taxes, yeah, but then there are companies and organizations that give grants also. Now, yeah, if you get a grant from an organization, you do have to pay taxes on that. I'm not sure about the ones that you get from the government. It wouldn't make probably

Leila

still have to pay more taxes on it. Yes, the government,

David

yes, yes. They want, like, money. They gotta, they gotta keep that governor's mansion looking nice, you know, so people can go visit it. They gotta pay for that sunshine and clean air. That's all we want to say, yeah, that's all we want to say on that tax has got to pay for sunshine and clean air. Yep, she passed away in 1951 but her cell cells are still being used. So that's crazy. Yeah, well, I was talking about last week, I was like, with the makeup,

Leila

so I wonder if she, like, is still living down there, like her cells are still wiggling around,

Unknown

hmm, like, well, oh,

David

I don't know, because, like, you would It would need it in a in a lab setting, they have certain, um, true, like, variables, nutrients. They're called petri dishes.

Leila

Well, yeah, I just said that. I was just talking about petri dishes. I love petri dishes. Yeah, dope. I

David

remember we used to grow we did a an experiment in high school with petri dishes, and we had, like, a contest to see who could make the largest bacterial or viral colony in one week. Oh, that's a dope. So we had to go and, like, find the grossest thing that we could find and swab it and bring it back and

put the sample into the petri dish. And the person who won, I was on a group of different people, anyway, long story short, the grossest thing at our high school, which is the high school goes to now,

Unknown

oh yeah,

David

grossest thing doesn't exist there anymore. It was the pay phone mouthpiece, I

Leila

bet, yep, because

David

everybody's talking into it, they're calling, they're coughing into it and touching it and spittle and, you know, all the gross stuff touching. Oh, but anyway, it it like, filled up the picture. I

Leila

was like, swab one of the doors. Knobs or something. Well, the door knobs, you

David

got to think a lot. Most a lot of people wash their hands. And they would, you know, they'd wipe them off fairly regularly. And then some people, like, I knew a lot of girls, it was a style at the time to wear your sleeves over your hands. Were like, just like the tips of your fingers. And then they cut a thumb hole and like, so they're essentially wiping the stuff off of the door handle every time they use it. So but, yeah, the mouthpiece on the Oh, no, you

Leila

know what I do. But the handrails underneath the handrails, yeah,

David

because nobody cleans that ever. And

Leila

it's very evident, because the stairs are like caving in, kind of like they're made of stone, but the stones have divots in them. Oh yeah,

David

there's wear marks.

Leila

Oh yeah, absolutely old school and everyone never redone. Moves around like every hour and a half.

David

So yeah, Henrietta Lacks was not the only person that this sort of thing has happened to over the years. Oh, do you want to go into one of the other ones. Uh, sure, I'm gonna take a drink of my tea. So this

Leila

dude named John, John, he had leukemia. He was a leukemia patient. He was treated at the University of California, oh, the medical center the University of California, in the late 1970s and his spleen was removed part as part of the medical procedure, and they took it from him and proceeded to like work on it for research. Uh huh,

Unknown

I was drinking, but tea, I could tell.

Leila

So they took the proteins, and Moe was asked or John, Moe is his name. He was asked to return to UCLA several times for follow up treatments and samples kept being taken from him without him knowing.

David

Yeah seems to be a thing. Yeah that they do makes you wonder how many samples they've got from us. Yeah, that they kept, of course, we're not going to university hospitals. We're going to urgent care. I don't think that they fast mid so

Leila

he eventually found out, because it's, it's pretty easy to find out if they're taking tickets before you

David

well, they were using it commercially. Yeah, they were.

Leila

They used it as a Moe

David

cells, Moe cells. They just call it Moe cell and like it, like the HeLa cells, hella cells, yeah, in hella, whatever

Leila

he lay cells.

David

These are just Moe get some Moe cells.

Leila

It's not like,

Unknown

are you saying get the MOE cells? Are you saying getting more cells?

Leila

Oh my gosh, they need to call them the Jomo cells. Was

David

that? Oh, Joe. Moe, yeah. John. Moe, so there was a lawsuit.

Leila

Yeah. Moe tried to claim rights over his own biological materials, because why not arguing that he should share the profits generated from his cells. So he's not like asking for all the profits. He's just asking, Hey, give me a cut. Hey, could I kind of get some of the money, since it's kind of my body,

David

yeah? They, um, Didn't somebody uh, Pat, yeah. They uh, Dr gold patented the cell line. So they took, yeah, they took his cells without permission, without his knowledge, and then did some work on them, and then patented it.

Leila

Yeah, they were like, I think I think I'll think, I'll take this.

Unknown

This is, this is my invention. This is mine now,

David

like that meme. So, yeah, the there was a big legal case. Go ahead, yeah,

Leila

they ruled that he did not have property rights over his own cells after they were exercised from his body, because recognizing such rights could hinder medical research by creating a marketplace for bodies or for body parts or cells, which like, okay,

David

so yeah, the until it was

Leila

just like, consensual taking of body parts. And that's

David

the part that confused research saying he did not have property rights over his cells, but nobody else should have property rights over his cells either. Yeah, that's, that's the thing that I don't understand. Because, like,

Leila

if I came up to you right now and took your liver out, right? Yeah, that's mine now, uh huh, that's my property because I took it

David

well, yeah, what is it? Um, possessions, nine tenths of the law, you know, whoever's got the livers, it's their liver. Yeah, it's

Leila

my liver, man, now I got two livers the um that,

Unknown

so

David

if he doesn't have okay? So basically, the problem that I had, like I was saying about the problem I have, is, how can they patent it? It's his cell, and they didn't have his but then they say, Well, you don't have property rights over it. It's

messed up, like I was. Thing, he wrote a song, yeah, you know, and then somebody stole his song, but he had, he's got copyright first, yeah, he's got a copyright of his spleen, you know, technically, his parents kind of have the copyright, yeah, because they wrote the code, you know, they came up with the code unwittingly. But some people write songs unwittingly, eventually, Moe did get the property rights to his cells, yeah, so it was that, and

Leila

it did raise, like, uh, awareness, yeah, yeah, of consent to be researched on, yeah,

David

it was Moe versus the regents of University of California, yeah. So it was a big, big, big court case, and the the other big issue was informed consent, because he did sign a thing saying, Yeah, you can take, take the stuff from me, but he didn't realize that he was signing the rights away for him, for them to go patent it and use it in medicines. Yeah. So

Leila

I wonder how much of the form that he signed he read, oh, very

David

little. They don't even let you read stuff unless you specifically asked. I took Leila to one of her, one of her appointments at one point, and they just have this little, it's like a little you pick up the stylist? And it's like, one of the

Leila

the checkout things, yeah, it's just, like a little gray screen sign right there. And

David

I'm like, What am I signing for? Oh, just consent that we're, you know, we can treat you. And I'm like, What can I read the consent form? Because I don't want to consent something that I don't want to consent to. And she's like,

Unknown

she had to go find which is above where she was literally

David

right next to her. It was laminated hanging on the wall. So somebody asked. But I've heard of some hospitals and university hospitals and things like that will slip things into that consent form that you in the fine print might want to be reading those right? It might be worth your time. And I've actually been

Leila

researching like ethicality, of the ethicalness, the ethicalities, the wheel of ethicality. Oh, my gosh, of products and goods and services recently marketing,

David

marketing, right? So, yeah, it's

Leila

something we have to research, and we have to actively, like, work on, yeah,

David

and for the class I'm taking, one of the things that you have to be careful with, like, I'm going to talk about something here in a little while, going to give a disclaimer on for legal reasons, because if you talk about companies or people, you have to say allegedly on things you know you have to say that, or you they can come after you for

defamation. If you say something negative and they feel and they can prove that it might have cost them money by you saying something negative, then you're liable for

Leila

that. Yeah, and we're talking about liabilities philosophy,

David

yeah, it's, it's a thing, and especially with us being a, you know, we're not covered by, like, like YouTube will do strikes against you. Take your take your videos off for legal reasons. We're kind of, we're out here on our own, so we got to be real careful about what we say about people and products

Leila

and companies and corporations, right?

David

And, I mean, everything we say is just our opinion.

Leila

Yeah, it's like our opinion. Do you even

David

know where that's from? Big Lebowski, I've

Leila

never seen it. Okay.

David

You know the scene, though? Yes, know what it's from. So, yeah, that was Joe. Moe. Oh, sorry, just Moe. Just Moe. Should be Joe. Should be Jo Moe. There's county eastern North Carolina, called Johnston County. Everybody calls it JOCO JOCO.

Leila

If you had a homecoming in Johnston County, would it be JOCO HoCo? Yes, awesome. 100% that's awesome.

David

So then let's see, what else do we have? Oh, we have another board of regents. Oh, yeah, another court case. The is this one about have a super Eye Tribe. Have a soupy tribe.

Unknown

I said it wrong. We just looked at

Leila

the pronunciation twice, too. You read like three videos about it. Very sorry. Read three videos,

David

listen to three videos on it did, didn't stick. Apparently, you

Leila

know what happened? What I miss, like, you know that thing I have with the numbers where I can't read numbers out loud. I've been doing the announcements the past two days or so. And there's like, dates for classes that you need to go take, like driver said, and I was like, the 16th, uh,

David

on october 11, yeah,

Leila

on October 16, and it said like, 12th,

Unknown

oh, no, not the 16th, the 12th, scratch that.

Leila

No one listens anyway, it's

David

fine. Isn't tomorrow? The 12th? No,

Leila

no. What is tomorrow? Two days?

David

Oh, tomorrow is yesterday. Yeah. Tomorrow

Leila

is yesterday, 11th is yesterday? No, today is the 12th,

David

yes, yes, 11th is so the 12th, so

Leila

yesterday was the 11th, today is the 12th, okay?

Unknown

And

Leila

Thursday, yeah,

David

wait a minute. What? We did not celebrate our half birthdays.

Unknown

I don't know about you, but I was last month,

Leila

I was big chilling on my half birthday.

David

I didn't give you a half a cake and sing happy. Do you?

Leila

Dude, we could do it right now.

Unknown

Come on.

Leila

You ready? Okay, we're gonna sing it to each other. So we gotta sing at the same time. It

David

would have to be we have to only sing every other word.

Leila

Well, let me, let me. Oh, wait. You know what? You know what we should do. Wait. Happy Birthday lyric,

David

okay. Lyrics, okay, and now I'm gonna take the Happy Birthday lyric, oh, no, okay,

Unknown

no, wait, no, yeah,

Leila

no, let me, let me talk. So I say happy, you say birthday, I say to and you say you. So we'd like every other word.

David

All right, we'll give it a go. All right, uh, are you starting this

Leila

is like, absolutely wrong. What the heck it says from good friends and true, from old friends and new May good luck. Go with you to happiness to those the other verses, your name, really, everybody just does the first ones, all right. Well, let's just do the first one as well. Of course,

Unknown

go Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you.

Leila

Happy

Unknown

birthday dear David. Happy birthday to

David

brilliant. It's amazing. Thank you. What

Leila

were you gonna say?

Unknown

What do you always gonna say? You got another idea?

David

Oh, I was gonna pull up Groke and be like, what is like? Show me the lyrics to Happy birthday, but only ever that worked. So

Leila

happy to Dear happy to or birthday you birthday, you birthday Leila birthday you

Unknown

right? So that's better. That is better than the birthday wait.

Leila

Okay, let me sing you your happy birthday song, birthday you

Unknown

birthday, you birthday David birthday you brilliant, Okay, brilliant, you sing it in me, birthday, you birthday. You birthday Leila birthday. You better song than the

David

we need to copyright that. And we just did, yeah, we just did, put a stamp on it, copyright it, all, right, what? What is this? Anyways, okay, I had something pulled up. Okay, so be in Arizona. Have a soupy, that's right, we got real off track. Yeah, we did. All right, so basically, they the Arizona, Arizona board of bridges. I'll cut that out. I'll edit it out. Yeah, the overs. It oversees the Arizona State University, they

misused genetic samples. Initially, blood samples were collected from the tribe members in the 90s for research reportedly aimed at understanding genetic basis of type two diabetes, a significant health issue within the tribe. Researchers, they research things beyond diabetes, and they include that. Those things include schizophrenia, inbreeding and human migration patterns, using the samples

without an informed consent. So that informed consent comes out again, like you, if you're going to do something with somebody medically, you got to have in court informed consent. The person who is agreeing to the thing. Has to understand what they are agreeing to, whether it be them getting a jab. They need to know what, what's in the jab, what's the, you know, all the stuff behind that. Anyway, there's lawsuit in 2004 tribe members. Tribe members file a lawsuit against the Arizona

board of regents. They claimed it was that their genetic materials were just used. They were not informed how the samples would be used, and yeah, it was invasion of privacy, and it caused emotional distress, because their cells are being used for things they didn't approve of, and violation of civil rights. I'm just, you know, I'm sure the ones, just the ones that. Went in, I'm sure they didn't like go to every person in that tribe and jab them and suck their blood out.

You know, it's probably just when they went

Leila

in plot twist, they were vampires.

David

You never know silly speculation Saturday that make a lot of sense. Why they always wanted to get your blood. Yeah, little snack. They ended up giving financial compensation of $700,000 to the tribe, and they returned all the blood samples, I guess the you know where they had left of them, and they funded a scholarship for the tribe for students, and it also

aided them in obtaining federal funding for a health clinic. So it came out, it's not bad, it's not a bad that's not a that's pretty good scholarship, $700,000 I feel like, I feel like they made it right. That feels like, I feel like I'd be okay with that, yeah, you know, if it helps the kids and get a, get a good health clinic out of it and everything, and that, you know, it all comes down to community, trust, informed consent. There was some legal precedents set. It got this says

that it got considerable attention in the media. I don't recall seeing it, but I'm also not in Arizona or anywhere near where that tribe? I think most of the tribes here were, like, the Cherokee. We had a lot of tribes here. Yeah, there was a lot. Leila did the thing in like, third grade about it, and we were, I was like, wow, like, every river had its own tribe. It's pretty cool. It

Leila

is really dope. It's really neat. Sometimes pretty cool. Public

David

sentiment largely supported the tribe's rights to control their own genetic material. And, you know, genetic material, I feel like, Yeah, especially in this day and age, I hate that expression. You got to protect that stuff. Case in point, 23andme this comes from NPR, so this is not my, my words. This is alleged. No, this is, this is all factual stuff. Okay, they're looking at they might be go. They're on the verge of collapse. They're not doing great financially.

Leila

Oh yeah, I

David

heard about that, yeah. And, like, apparently their whole board of directors quit all at one time. Oh yeah. So now everybody's like, Okay, if this company collapses, what happens to my data?

Leila

Yeah, my spit.

David

What do you what are you doing with my spit?

Unknown

So they're like, funny

Leila

to me, what they just spit in the tube? You send it to someone, yep,

David

makes it makes you want to, like, like, choose something really gross before you exactly so when they open it up to smell it, when asked what 23 me plans to do with the genetic data if they go out of business, a spokesman said, That's right. He didn't say anything. But guess what? He did mention, what that they have a partnership with GlaxoSmithKline, which is GlaxoSmithKline is a pharmaceutical company. Oh,

good. One of the big ones, it's been analyzing the data and trying to find medical breakthroughs using your data. Now you have to do you do have to opt into that, and 80% of customers did. So. People were quite possible. People were like, Yeah, I don't know if I feel good about opting into that now, especially after you hear this episode and you hear what they've done, what places have done in the past with genetic materials, making billions of dollars off of it, not giving

you a penny. So the 23 me spokesman said that the company is committed to being transparent and whatever happens with the data, saying that its core value is quote, behind every data point is a human being. So anyway, I'm, I'm, I'm just glad that I was never I was curious about it. I was like, that'd be neat, but I don't want to send my DNA to some company that then they'll have my DNA, because I've heard and this is silly speculation. Saturday, I can talk about all kinds of

stuff. I'm not talking about 23andme but I have heard rumors and, you know, like crazy conspiracy theories, which have pretty good track record recently. Yeah, that there are world actors out there that are working on making genetic weapons, so they could just, that's fun. Anybody who's got DNA real close to yours, they're just like, You know what? Let's just, let's just attack them with this sickness. And only people with Isn't that against the Geneva Convention, only

people with green eyes. Yeah, but you would never know, because you would it would just people getting sick. Mm. Hmm. And they would have to do a lot of research to figure out

Unknown

who cares about the Geneva Convention if no one finds out seriously? Well,

David

the Geneva Convention is for countries, yeah. So if you've got a rogue

Leila

so, like, you can't use biological warfare in war, right?

David

Just like or against another country. There's a lot of stuff in the Geneva Convention that soldiers can't do, yeah, on behalf of their governments. But if I did it to somebody, a tri pointed knife, a triangle shaped knife, I can purchase and use a triangle shaped knife a soldier cannot, which is just so weird to me, because you can, you can shoot to punch a hole in somebody, but you can't do it up close. Yeah,

I don't understand. I don't want anybody shooting or stabbing each other because of their government told them to,

Leila

but I feel like it'd be the other way around. But, yeah, like knife fights are fun. You gotta get in there with you gotta get in there if,

David

if all combat had to be guns are cheating. If it had to be hand to hand, the wars would be a lot different. Exactly. Guns

Leila

are cheating. You gotta, like, get up in there, yeah, yeah.

David

But yeah, the Geneva Convention doesn't really apply. Yeah, you can't. I think you can get tried for, like, human rights abuses and stuff like that. Interesting. You cannot highlight anything on the NPR web page. I mean, I bet I can't if I go to View Page Source, it's a.com Wow. Look at the view page source on NPR. What?

Unknown

What did they do down there for?

David

That's neat. Go to, okay, so the link, there's a link in the show notes for, oh, you're 23 of me go to the web page and on a computer and right click and do view page source, and scroll down to line 56

Unknown

there's, they have a cool little hidden thing. They got a little thing in there. I'm not going to tell you what it is. You got to go do it yourself. Yeah, really, fine. I love that. I'm going to do that to our website. Yes, that looks

Leila

very organized.

David

Oh, this, yo, yeah. They use a content system. They they didn't sit and write this like a handwriter. They have a program that is it for them, trying to see if I could see what program it was, but cookie law.org script template.

Unknown

They use a template. What is cookie law.org you're gonna get a virus. Oh, cookie. Law.org

David

I don't get viruses. Arg, are you ready? Kids, has anybody we went out and got the Krabby Patty. Is okay? We got the Krabby Patty. It tasted like a hamburger.

Leila

Oh, you know what? We gotta go get what? There's a chicken Big Mac that just came out. This is not advertising. There's a chicken big bag. I don't think I'm wrong.

David

I may have to go get that for lunch tomorrow. No,

Leila

okay, as long as I eventually get one, get

David

one. Yeah. All right, everybody, we're gonna move on to the, oh, wow. We're at 37 minutes. All right, let's, let's move on to the value for value segment, we have two PayPals and no boosts. Value for value this week, we put the show out for free, and we ask that you return that value in whatever way you see fit. If you want to do that in a financial way, you can go to funfactfriday.com and click the donations link, or you can

go to store.funfacfriday.com and buy some merch from us. And we got 1912 at PayPal from Dreb Scott, that's the Oreo donation. They have Oreo coke now, and coke flavored Oreo. Yeah,

Unknown

it's really bad. Have you tried it? Yes.

Leila

Okay, my friend, my best friend, brings, like, a different flavor of Oreos every single day. And she's like, Yo you wanna? You wanna coke Oreo? And I'm like, Sure. And then I ate it, and I spit it out immediately, because it

Unknown

tasted like trash. That's terrible. Sorry,

Leila

there goes our Oreo sponsorship

Unknown

and our Coke sponsorship.

Leila

But it tasted like, I don't really know how to explain it. It tasted like COVID 19, if it was made

Unknown

into a cookie, it tasted like a water rocks in it. It tasted like a water level from Mario.

Leila

It did. It did, honestly. But thank you Dreb Scott for the donation, yes, thank

David

you so much. And then $10 from Stephen Grimes, thank you so much for that. Yeah, we Yeah. That pays for our hosting and keeps us up and running.

Leila

So the best Oreo flavor that I've tried so far is probably either the Dark Chocolate Oreo or with the tiramisu, like thin ones or just the regular, the regular thins are really good.

David

Just all the thins are perfect. I really like just the black part of the Oreo.

Leila

Yeah, the dark chocolate ones taste just like a black Oreo. Oh, really, like the cream is darker, so it Oh, okay, I'll give those a try. They're

Unknown

pretty good. Anywho.

David

Y'all have a fantastic weekend, and we'll see you next time. It might be a fun fact Friday, it might be a silly speculation.

Leila

Saturday might be something, something I might have an idea for what we do next. We gotta see if it's gonna be good. All right, so I'll tell you in the next episode if that's. What I chose, and we may actually release

David

this on Friday. So all those dates we were talking about earlier are just completely wrong. Everybody. Have a fantastic weekend. We'll see you next time. Bye.

Leila

We're gonna ignore what just happened. The off button, and we had to, we had to tack this onto the Oh,

Unknown

fun thing. I'm gonna actually have to spend a production.

Leila

That's okay. We just shove this one.

Unknown

Support the show. Make a donation via Patreon that's not coming out till Saturday. You click the Report button, and I was like, Wait, my brain, like and subscribe and join us. Next. Bye, everybody. Bye. Fun factfriday.

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