A special episode. You were good. You were gonna mix it with the music, but it didn't work with it. No, I was going to, but we do that every episode. I want to do something different when I spice it up a little bit, right? You gotta, you gotta keep, keep people on their toes after some episodes of listening to our show. So take one good look at this music, one good look, one good look at the sound, at the sound, because we may or may not be keeping it for that
long. Yeah, leila's Oh, welcome to funfactfriday com, two bajillion. Two bajillion. We've been here for bajillions of years. Yes, episode 200 Yeah, that's so many episodes. That's like more than nine episodes, at least. Yeah, seven is the average podcast. Oh my gosh. Okay, let's, let's finish the intro before I go into stories. Okay, we are Fun Fact Friday. We are a weekly podcast, usually that we talk about facts and crap, but not this week, because this is a special, a very special episode
of Fun. By Friday, it's a very special episode. Yeah. So, yeah, two Wow, 200 I said I didn't think we'd make it a 200 Oh, no, so I didn't either. I figured we'd be like 1520 episodes. Yeah, we get bored with it and then. But no, we started. We do have a featured guest on this episode. We do. He's not here right now. Stay tuned. He hasn't showed up yet. He hasn't showed yet. We got an in studio guest. He'll get here. When he gets here, he kind of, you know, plays, plays by his own rules.
It's Kyle. No, I wish. Oh yeah, Kyle. Gotta get Kyle out here. But yeah, this episode, we're just going to be talking about some of our favorite memories from the show. We're going to be reading some notes that we got from some of our awesome audience. We've we've built up a very supportive and fun and and happy community around this show. And it feels really good getting some of these notes that we've gotten, and we've gotten notes that they've said, you know, don't read this. So it's
those are. Those are fantastic. We definitely appreciate everything that we get from everybody, and even like when you post something on Mastodon or Twitter to us, we love that just any kind of feedback, anything at all, and but, yeah, we got 200 episodes under our belt. Yeah, we're doing the support at the end of the show. Yep, we're gonna do support at the end of the show. However, I am gonna read, I'm gonna do one, one little bit of it's kind of support the hot sauce. Yeah, we're out. We did
it. We're out. We're out of hot sauce. We took one bottle and opened it and tried it, and it's almost gone. Yeah, it's really good. It's good stuff to me. And we sold, sold the rest to various folks, and I wanted to thank some of them. We've got James Kim and little Aaron Hartnett bought a bottle from us. I want to ship that out last week. Thank you. And my mother bought a bottle from us because he's like, I have to have one,
you know? Yeah, because I thought she talks Sam from a local pub, well traveled beer. They may actually start selling it in the in the pub. Yeah, let me do they've got a little hot sauce section, so we might be on the shelf. Got to talk to him about that. We got Heather, another local person, and then we've got three more. We've got cousin Vito bought a couple
bottles. We've got bully steed, and we've got Vox, and we want to thank everybody who bought some of our signature, initial first batch, first edition, fun fact, fire day hot sauce. Now you can have the loudest bottle in the world. Yeah, mute my mic for a minute. You can go to Hot Sauce dot funfactfriday com if you want to order it by the case, I think the minimum order is like 12, and we'll get a split of that, and it is cheaper if you you do it that way. Hot Sauce, H, O, T,
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Is what? It just looks it just looks like hot sauce. So, I don't know, but, yeah, we wanted to let everybody know we are, we are. We're probably, next time they go on, they they do sales occasionally, and next time they do a. Sale, we'll probably order another signature version, where we actually sign the bottles for you before we send them out. So stay tuned for that. Shipping is just, it's just expensive. But
yeah, that. And then I did want to we got, I'm going to go ahead and read some notes real quick before we get to our interview, and we got one from Kevin Hallisey, who boosts a lot for us and says, Hey, thank you both, and thank Phaedra for sharing you. I've enjoyed the show for years. Prompted by the mention on no agenda, shout out to no agenda. That was me
saying, shout out. Yeah, I was a reliable listener, just enjoying the facts and trivia until episode 66 coffee at the eight minute and three second mark, slightly offline, Leila says, calm down. Jamal, and I was hooked. That's a reference to a vine. I feel bad for like, thinking them, thinking that this was, like my original idea. I hope they weren't. But, uh, okay, so, and I was hooked, and I'm pausing the note there. And here we go. Here we go, yeah.
So, yeah. Um, 1000s of pilgrims visiting the holy city of Mecca each year from all over the world. Knowledge of the wine of Araby began to spread some coffee took off in the Arabian Peninsula, and then it came to Europe. Around the 17th century, some people reacted to the new beverage with sufficient suspicion and fear, calling it the bitter invention of Satan. Whoa, so local clergy, condemn, yeah, local clergy, clergy. And I didn't know that was a vine reference when it came to
Venice. Shut up, David, shut up. Respectfully. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't know that that was vine. Okay. So back to the note, back in my day, when we just started the show, I was really into the vines, so I would reference them all the time, right? And I didn't, I'd never seen that one. And I hate it. I hate it. When I go to show you a meme, you're like, Oh yeah, I love that one. And I'm like, that was my favorite. He showed me that one yesterday. I love that meme. And he's like,
so here we go. Okay, back to the note, yeah, this 11 year old girl instantly blurted out a hilarious shot at a non existent, yet appropriately named Jamal. Quick thinking targeted, playful and harmless, best kind of humor and intelligence. There are certainly highlights in every episode, and I liked the oh moment of realization when Leila found the meaning behind my 1414, donation. I'm so confused about it. A and boom, they were married on the same day.
And then Kevin Hallisey on the sharks episode for what 1414? Sat. I don't know what that, that significance of that number is, yeah, maybe you just realized 14. Yeah, oh, it's because I'm turning Okay. Happy birthday, Leila. I was trying to lead you to it, but I was like, I don't know what that was like, looking at you, I remember that. Okay, back to it. She can speak very quickly, but I think I said, I don't know. Maybe she just likes 14 and in about one second, and out
of the and, oh, sorry. Okay, let me get me. Here we go. And, of course, the Yeah, you're right. Episode was hilarious. We can do that. We can do that. Yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah, you're right. We never really use it anymore. Yeah, things fall out of style. Can't remember what episode that is culminating and Leila saying something about him being annoying, probably me. I love the curiosity and skepticism throughout all the shows. It also feels like being
in a room with friends. It's just what we're trying to go for. Yeah, we're going for like a sleepover, but stories, telling facts to each other, just listening to fun stories. This was especially helpful last August and September, when I was unusually discouraged by car trouble. Oh, I can relate. I drive for a living and only get paid where I'm actually driving my car through a rod, and even after I swapped the replacement with a replacement engine, it
wouldn't start. I love the prius v and it's a most wonder, and it's a mostly wonderful vehicle, except when it isn't. The few shops that could have helped were booked six to eight weeks. My brother out in Hawaii has that problem, like, if he needs something serviced, he just either has to figure it out himself or put it on a list, and he doesn't get get it done for
like, six months. Okay, back to them and saying, expensive, yep, all I had was YouTube and trial and error that that is me with almost every one of my projects, I keep interrupting for weeks with no income. To sleep at night, I queued up six or eight funfactfriday coms on fountain, closed my eyes and prayed you really pulled me through the roughest times. I. As real friends do, even if the show ends, such as your hiatus, I treasure the back episodes. I can always listen and always
smile when I do. Yeah, if you Oh, your friend, forever grateful. Kevin Hallisey rhymes with fallacy, which cleared up how we should say your name, which Leila said it right before. So that was good. When you were saying it on the episode with the 1414, you said it correctly. We weren't sure, so we went with what we thought was right.
I might have called it policy right, but, but yeah, folks, I You should go in case something happens because, like, our web server is raising prices again, and I'm gonna have to move stuff. I've got everything all backed up. But if you want go, go and get, like, every episode, and this isn't us trying to up our download numbers, but yeah, go make make an archive. Keep it. Keep an archive of the show, because who knows what's gonna happen with my backups. You know, I may be calling.
I need somebody to give me all the episodes. But Kevin, thank you so much for the note. It really meant a lot
to us. The part about you know, as real friends do with pulling you through rough times, we that is what we hope that we do with every episode, that we can be fun enough, but still like, not bring up political stuff or bring up things that are, you know, yeah, divisive, and we just trying to have a good time hang out like we're, like we're hanging out with friends, and that's what we're going for. Let's see. Okay, so I think we'll hold off on, let's see. Oh no, let me do, let me do this
real quick. We also got a little audio clip here. I don't know how loud this is gonna be, so a little bit, and we'll like lead into it. What do we get? Hey there, Leila and David. This is Adam curry. Yes, the podfather, I want to congratulate you guys with 200
episodes. And thank you so much for the work that you've been doing, not just showing a great relationship between a dad and a daughter, but also being podcasters of the really, of the highest order podcasting 2.0 you're doing value for value. You really have taken this medium to a place that I could only have dreamed of. So again, thank you so much for all that you do. And congratulations on
200 episodes. And here's to the next 200 Hey there, Lee Whoopsie, that was Adam curry, as he said, Yes, Adam curry from no agenda, the podfather. He's the the guy who made, made podcasting, I think so we definitely appreciate him sending us in that little, little audio note for us that means, means so much
to us. Adam's been a huge part of this show, as our guest has been, and I think we'll go ahead and lead into the to the guest interview conversation, whatever you want to call how we started the interview. So here it is. No, no, oh, he's here. He's in studio. He's coming in right now. There, there he is. All right, all right. That was the best beginning of a podcast I have ever heard. But now that is the best stack of VHS tapes I have ever seen.
So now, as we just told you, we're into the guest portion of our 200th episode. Yeah. And joining us in studio is John C Dvorak, that would be me. Yeah. John is the co host of no agenda. That's where this, where we'll get into that in a minute. And also Dvorak Horowitz, or it's Dvorak Horowitz unplugged, yeah, dH, unplugged. DH unplugged. Yes. I was actually listening to that last night or night before, I can't remember. We also, I'm also the husband of the book author, Mimi Dvorak,
yeah, who was on your show? It turns out our best, our highest downloaded episode ever, actually. Oh, really. Well, then people should go to too many eggs.com I would get that plug in and download a free PDF of the book. Yeah, the book's a killer. It's, we have it. We have it on our shelf. And I will say my wife has never liked eggs her entire life. So, so you use it to what ward off intruders. I mean, you can kill somebody. You can it's mad. Oh my gosh. No. We actually, we actually use
it. Leila really enjoys cooking, and I have been trying to get my wife to eat eggs since we've gotten married, been over 20 years now, because it's, yeah, she doesn't like eggs. So after our chat with Mimi, I was like, I'm. Gonna find an egg recipe she likes, and I finally did. So, yeah, what it's it's so, so
simple. Mimi told us on the show that if we put something acidic into the eggs and let it sit for a minute, it'll break up the long proteins and then add a little cream of tartare, and it'll fluff them up a little bit. And that was it. So we have a lemon juice thing in our fridge specifically for making eggs, right? Yeah, I've used that trick. It works little lemon juice and cream of tartar and then mix it in. Boom,
done. And so now, if you're in the Loire Valley in France, you'll find when they cook eggs, or if you go to a breakfast, you'll see, find that a lot in France, it's a trick they use. Well, I don't plan on going to France anytime soon. Just stay out of Paris if you find Right, right? But yes, too many eggs.com. I can't recommend the book enough. Get the free to PDF. Flip through it, and then you'll realize I want this on my shelf. It's it's a great book. Now I asked my job is done.
See you next time. Yeah. Outro, please. But I first was aware of John C Dvorak from I believe it was Tech TV, or on Tech TV at one point, or zdtv. I was on Tech TV for four years. I couldn't remember it was Tech TV or zdtv at the time. Well, zdtv and it became Tech TV about halfway through its run, right, right? I couldn't, I couldn't remember if it was that one way, which way it was. Sorry, started as ZD TV, which was the second iteration of zdtv. The original one was on
MSNBC. And they had, we had a couple of shows there. I was only on it here, here and again, and that's where they had the show, the site, which was actually where Leo Laporte got his start. And this, was a good and the show was excellent, and there was some good material there. But what happened with MSNBC? The history of MSNBC, that was the era when Microsoft actually owned a big piece of
it. It was a joint venture, and they were gonna do a lot of tech stuff, and it was gonna be kind of a generalized network on the cable. But what happened was the princess die got killed or died in that car wreck, right? And so they started covering it. And as they covered it, more and more and more, the ratings were going up and up and up to the point where it's like, why are we doing this other stuff? Let's
dump all that crap. So decide that everything was basically everybody, but he was fired, and they went with this sort of semi news CNN competitor, and that was the end of it. So that's the story of what I remember when they were covering tech stuff. I didn't know that
was the turning point for it. I do remember the princess die news was the first thing that I remember finding out, like a first world event that I found out about on the internet before I found out about it on TV, because I was in a chat room when it happened, an old IRC chat room, and somebody was like, Princess Diana just, uh, just died. And I was like, what? And I'd turn on the news to see
it. I still find it funny, when I found out that, uh, Queen Elizabeth died in person and not online, I learned about her dying at school. Oh yeah, because it was, like, at three o'clock, so I was still in school, different, different generation, because you, you, you just assume you're gonna find out everything on exactly. So yeah, because that's shocking. Shocked The Untold History of MSNBC and then, and then you moved over to twit, or you were on, you know, you were a guest on Twitter.
Cranky geeks was way before, I'm sorry, we had Tech TV and zdtv was way before twit. When Leo started twit. He was kind of a clone of the former zdtv Because he always felt he could do it better than the bosses at Tech TV did it. Of course he did and and in the meantime, I was also doing something called cranky
geeks. I remember cranky geeks, which was the formulaic show, which is the last time I was going to get involved with having guests or doing interviews, and except for I had a radio show too called Real computing, which was booked and but it was a money loser. Cranky geeks could have made money, but they didn't know how
to how to sell it. But that was an interesting model, because what I did with cranky we if anyone I know where these tapes all went, I probably have a few, but cranky geek started off as an experiment, and we're doing different layouts, and we'd have me in the middle, people on the side. There was all these different ways of doing it, and I came up with this I thought was the best formula. And I've seen other people kind of copy it, but they may not have the
exact right idea. What I did was I put myself on the left side of the of the panel, and I'd have three panelists, and so I'd be on the left, and the panelist in the middle was Sebastian rupley, and he was a stooge. He was basically the go to guy. He was
like a sidekick. He was like Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon, and he was the go to guy in the middle, if the two guests, which are always different on every show, the guy next to me, who was usually the most amateurish on television, and the one furthest away, who may have had some experience, if they crapped out in terms of quality of discussion, I'd go to Sebastian and he could carry the show
awesome. And I always thought that model was, it's just a stunning model for doing this sorts of shows, because you never have a it, because it's always lively. You don't have, you know, if you put three new people on it, on the show, you could have had three, you could have three duds, which is the big fear of all these shows. Yeah, you get the like, just brings the energy of the show all the way down. It's so horrible. Leila's and I both, we're both
pretty good at filling in. We notice when dead air is happening, and we're both really quick. And Leila, I'm very impressed by her being being on her toes with stuff. She always has a gag ready to go sometimes, but we don't. We don't cut out our dead air either. We leave it in. Yeah, you should, because otherwise the timing goes away. But the you, the more you do. Leila should know this, the more she does on Mike's stuff that she'll just be really good at when she's older.
Yeah, yeah. That's one of the things I wanted to do when making our show, was teach her you don't have to be afraid of a microphone. You don't have to be afraid of talking in front of people. And I feel like she's gotta have to be able to just jump in, like I just did, exactly, yeah, exactly. You got to be ready to jump in there and give it a go, see where else did. What was the other thing that I wanted to I saw you on Twitter, and that's how I found out about no agenda was twit.
And also you had for a little while. I don't know how long you did it, but it was a daily tech like five minutes, check five. It was called, right? I was working for mivio when i What happened was I was at doing Twitter, and when it started off, and then we're cranky, geese kind of came along at the same time, but, but I was
fascinated by Leo. Leo is always a ahead of his time, considering he's in broadcasting, as a radio guy, and he started podcasting, like a year before, or at least six months before, I knew what the hell was going on and but I was doing the early twit podcasts, and I just thought to myself, you know, this is because I saw the writing on the wall after the.com collapse. In so far as writing about tech is concerned, the magazines business and the rest it was going to go to the into the
crapper, right? And so I said, I, you know, I gotta, I don't mind doing Leo's show, but I gotta know how to do this stuff from scratch. So I talked myself into a job at Media, which was Adam Curry's company at the time. I've had a meeting with him at Fringe all restaurant San Francisco in 2006 I think, and it was like, I I just basically talked him into hiring me so I could learn the business from
the ground up. And once, and I thought it was more complicated than it was, and when I learned how to do podcasts easily, it turns out to be like falling off a log. It's not a hard, no, it's not difficult. And so, so I worked there for about a year and a half or so, and it was good for me, because I was getting health insurance and but I got to learn all of and that during that period, I was doing all these experimental little podcasts. And tech five was one of them. It was the five minute
tech news on a daily basis. I don't think it was that good. I enjoyed it, but I like the link that was gonna get perfect, five minutes. Boom, out now, our show was originally supposed to be less than a minute. We were gonna, we were literally just gonna go, Hey, it's funfactfriday com, and then say a fact. And then, all right, you're just gonna do hits. We were gonna do hits the
people. Yeah, yeah. There was actually a business in that, usually that syndicate the hits the radio stations or something, and you just have these little short spots. There is a business there, but if you're going to do podcasting, it's like, what I've worked or kind of acknowledged to myself over the years, is that podcasts are are they're just like an animal, and they're going to have, they have their own life. And so, for example, when Adam and I started no
agenda. We're going to do a half hour or so and then start going along. And we went to 40 minutes, and this is no real end. You don't have to end at any specific time, even though Horowitz and I do a pretty good job of keeping it to an hour. But we'd go on, he would go on to an hour. He's got to no agenda. Got to an hour, then it
got to an hour and a half. And said, Well, we got to, you know, do an hour and a half, and they went to hour 45 it just kept getting longer, until the point where we feel, I said, 245 that is going to be it. And that's actually the supposed length of no agendas, two hours and 45 minutes. We hit that once or twice a year. Most of the time it goes three, and then it just
kind of goes 310, three. And I think our average is about three, 310, three hours and 10 minutes long format, which, which, in the early days of podcasting was, was poo pooed as duh, you can't No, nobody wants to listen to anything for three hours, although, believe me, truck drivers love the show. And I did data entry at the time when I was listening to it, when I started listening to
it. And when you're doing data entry, moving information from a page to a screen, and it's, you don't have to think long form stuff is fantastic. And that's yeah, when you were saying that you played around with you wanted to play around the format and learn the business. That's how I got into it. I was listening to a lot of audio dramas, because those can get kind of long podcasts. And I was like, I'm gonna know how to do
this. And then realized how easy I wanted to do some audio plays, because I'm a big OTR guy, I have, like, probably the entire collection of escape Lex theater, a couple other really good ones. That's my, sorry. My other show is a, it's audio drama. It's a yes, I understand that rarely produced. And so, you know, so I like audio plays. And what I mean, kind of always been fascinated with is that the stuff that was done in the probably the 30s and 40s, I think, was the heyday of this
stuff. But you listen to suspense or escape, which is still, I think the top of the of the line for these short dramas. They're half hour intense, half hour shows that went that many of these half hour shows became
movies. Have movies. I mean, it's amazing how tight these stories were, because even the half hour radio play back in the late 30s would probably still only be 22 minutes, maybe because they still they ran commercials and they could jam and like a tight, tight, convoluted, multi plot story into that period of time. It's always been a fascination. So escape is the the name of it. I look that one up because I escaped the series that ran from about, I think it started in the early
40s. I'd have to look at it. I mean, just listen. The archive.org has, I think all the episodes, and they have them, they've had a few of them that been cleaned up, but it's kind of whoever cleaned them up. There's their sound terrific, except that they sound effects and some of the stuff has been muted. It's kind of, they kind of messed them up. But, but escape is the one I if you listen to all the the whole series, which I think it went on
for probably 10 years. You'll have a lot of these stories you'll be familiar with because many of them were turned into movies. Diamond as big as the Ritz is a classic. I there's about three or four Lanigan versus the ants. I would recommend diamond as big as the Ritz, which is based on a F Scott Fitzgerald's short story is killer story. I can think two or three more of them that I think are just just top notch, suspenseful stories that are just move along like crazy. They
just just go nuts. I'll definitely find those and put those in the show notes for everybody to go find. And if those are public domain, I might take those and make a make a feed out of them. I don't think, yeah, I think they're public it's all that stuff, old radio stuff from the that period, including performances, musical performances are are considered public domain, right? If you're technically public domain, no, nobody knows, and nobody also
can. There's nobody that's going to go after you, because these guys are all dead, right? I found out that. The original story. I can't remember the name of it right now, the original story that the movie, the thing was based off of is in the public domain, yeah. So I can do that original story as an audio drama, and I've got it queued up. I'll eventually do it. Well, you'll go nuts if you listen to the Escape series.
They had some of the best actors, and some of the better stories they did two or three times over the years with different actors, and they all have a kind of a different take, but you will just cool. Love the Escape series. It's, it's, there's nothing like it. Suspense comes close. And then there's other, I think, lux radio theater used to do. What they used to do is take, actually take movies. It was like a reverse engineered way of doing things. And they were hour
long plays. And they would take movies and turn them into radio plays in a kind of reverse order, right? So the movie, the movie come out, and make a radio play out of it. They did that in Twilight Zone also to a less Yes. And Twilight Zone was a tight half hour too. It was, it was, that's what I push the the type of stories that I do on Medus pod, I've always tried to aim for stories that felt like Twilight Zone. Yes, that would be and those stories felt like escape. So I just
That's That's cool. I'm and I'm very excited. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna I've got a whole new lesson. One show after the other. You can go and just you binge on this thing. You actually, they're kind of nerve wracking in some instances, but they're killer stories, killer tight, compact. It's like, if people could tell stories like that today, we'd all be better off, right, boring crap that we get to see.
So I always what we started doing, since AI is a thing now with I've paying for Twitter, which gives me access to the grok. So I have asked grok, who is John C Dvorak. Give me a short bio, and it gave me three things. Tell me how accurate these are. Are you ready? Yeah, before you do that, I will say that grok is I use grok, and I like it. I like it too. It's, I've written a couple little JavaScript things for the website, and I don't
know very much JavaScript. I can, I can, you know, stumble my way through, but it helped me write some stuff correct JavaScript. Don't know it either. They just steal code works. That's how JavaScript works. 98% of JavaScript is stolen. So well, it's not stolen. It's part of a giant library where you just it's basically stolen, but it's not stolen, gotcha.
So it says John C Dvorak is a character in a series of children's books about a tech savvy detective who solves mysteries with his trusty sidekick, a robot named bite. Yeah. It also says he's unknown to me, this character. He's the lead singer of a little known 8080s Hair Metal band called Tech Talk. And he's the world's Champion, Champion of competitive yo yoing. And he uses interesting tech. There's zero for zero for three.
He uses this well on a show called Tech Talk once, which is not my show, is somebody else's yo yo thing is pretty wild. That's content what that is, what I because I know the way grog operates, that's some sort of contaminated information that somebody's put out there. No, it's, it's a gag. It's a bit I always put I ask whatever the topic of the show is. I like the yo yo though, yeah, the yo yo things neat. I I ask it. Who is John C Dvorak? I need a short
bio, wrong answers only. Oh, so it takes I get suckered by it. Thank you. It and like it, it gave me, like, seven or eight really, really outlandish things, and I just picked the ones that are, like, just kind of silly. You know, that's one of the reasons, again, there's a good reason I like rock, because this is where I was kind of surprised by those answers, because you could get it to do stuff like that. Oh, it was before I did the
wrong answers. Only I did an actual one, and it was, it was really good, because just from knowing, from knowing about you, from listening to no agenda for, you know, 15 years it, it really knows, like, all kinds of stuff. And it actually mentioned to Mimi's book. And it was like, yeah, yeah, it did. Let me see, okay, let me see if I can pull, pull up that chat, because it saves your it saves your chats with grok and. Um, one copilot isn't as funny as co pilot is. Is hot garbage. It
is. I forgot, who does copilot. Copilot is open, AI mixed with Microsoft. Oh, okay, it's Microsoft doing it when you expect, yeah, the it, yeah, it was no good. Okay, so here we go. I've clicked it. I said, What are some good questions to ask? John C Dvorak, I just wanted to see what what it knew about you, right? It asked about the mouse incident. But it's a mouse incident. I call it the mouse book. It says, yeah, the mouse incident. It's, it said, John, you were famously said that there was no
evidence people wanted. So it actually got the no evidence thing in there. Yeah, that's a plus. Personally, I have to, I have to that that is brilliant, the way that you worded that. Just so there was a fact at the time, the fact of the time that there's no evidence, and then, boom, you're not like, it's no evidence, yeah. And then it talks about evidence, no agenda. And then it talks about climate change in San Francisco. What does it say? It says, These are questions I
asked. What question should I ask? Right? And I'm not going to ask any of these questions. I just wanted to see how it did. Let's see. It says, given your office overlooks the the flat bays, has climate change ever tried to say, interesting, that would do this. Because this is something we talked about on the show all the time. It's kind
of a running gag, right? Because I can see the bay from my house, and I can see the mud flats which and somebody sent me a one of our producers, at no agenda, sent me a map of the Bay Mud Flap of mud flaps, mud flat areas. He sent me a map of the mud flats from 1890 that's a very old USGS map of some sort, and it's no change. There's zero change. It's exactly the same as it is today. And so I use that as a jumping off point for this sea level rise right? Complaint
that people have. And it's like, when is going to happen because we have a freeway down here that is one foot above sea level, and it's, I've never it's never been flooded in all the years I lived up here, yeah, and that makes me wonder, because I know grock tries to where they got that they either look at the transcripts from no agenda show, or, I don't know what, because I've never written about it,
right? And, like, I thought grok was mostly pulling from Twitter and, you know, X and Twitter sources that maybe links or whatever. So maybe people are linking the show on Twitter once, maybe twice, a picture of the mud flats with some comment, right? So maybe that, that was it possible it says, it brings up the vinegar book. Yeah, asking book. And then, which? We've got a quite a couple. Les got a question about vinegar? What? But let me, let me finish this, this before we move. Let's see
no agenda. If no agenda was a Netflix series, who would you cast as yourself then living the Bay Area? Buzzkill. You've embraced the nickname buzzkill if you were a superhero. And you know, it has these stupid questions. And then the last one is Mimi's book. Your wife, Mimi wrote too many eggs. If you were to write a sequel with what would it be called too much vinegar? He was saying that to me. We were like, in Chick fil A, and he was like, yeah. The Rock said, Would you write a book
named too many vinegar? Yeah, too many vinegar. Grammatical issue there? Yeah, that's funny. It's so funny. Yeah, Leila, Lila's dealing with some vinegar earlier than Yeah. So I was making pickles yesterday. What you're making of? What kind of would you make? Are you fermenting pickles? Yes, I like making. So you're using salt solution and, and, and pickling cucumbers, right? Sure, I'm getting a no one what? Just tell, tell them your recipe real quick. What do you I just throw stuff
in there. I don't have a recipe. But what's the best vinegar for making? What's the best vinegar for for generalized pickles? Yeah, well, most people in the south, they use, uh, distilled white vinegar, and then they dilute it, usually, depending on on your on the recipe, it's up to two to one, yeah, but most that's in the south, but elsewhere to get some flavor that's makes the they use that. Apple cider vinegar. And I think most people use that. Using wine vinegar for pickles is kind of a
waste of the vinegar. It should be used in salads and things where, you know more is a condiment, but I would tend to use if I'm just pickling something randomly with a vinegar pickle. I I'd like apple cider the best. Yeah, I like the taste of cider banger. It's got a nice style to it, in terms of the way, the way it presents itself. But what you want to do, since you're young enough to go through this agony, you want to develop a formula for fermented pickles now
fermented. Pickles, which are literally fermented like like, like beer involves a salt salt water solution and raw usually pickling pickle. Pickling cucumbers is a very specific cucumber that's designed to be fermented. Now, the old stores have them. You'll, you'll, you'll see Pickle, Pickle cucumbers that say something like that, on, on they're, they're all distinctive looking.
You've seen that pickle before, but it's not a great pickle to eat in salads or just eat raw, but it's a great pickle for for cucumber pickles fermented. And you can read about the I have, like, I got a good start on doing these fermented pickles. For a long time, I was making some killers, and then somehow something changed. And I think it was either the salt I was using or there was, I don't know, but all of a sudden I got
these super mushy pickles. And so, I mean, like, mushy, it's like, I had to throw them out batch after batch. I was getting this problem. And then it turns out, and although this is not discussed much, but you should at least keep in the back of your mind if you ever want to try this, because this is when you make these pickles, and when they come out right, they're the best tasting thing you'll ever
have. They're tremendous. It takes about couple it takes at least two weeks, sometimes longer, to get a batch finished. That takes they have to ferment, takes a while, but you have to either there's, there's certain things that have to be in the pickling juice. Bay leaves is one thing that seems to work. Also dill seems to work. And dills using a lot of stuff, and it doesn't provide any flavor. It's actually provides a chemical that keeps things from
getting mushy. And the bay leaves, I think, do that does the best job, from what I've determined so far. But because it's got real bay leaves, Grecian Bay is that it's, it's loaded with, God knows what's what chemicals come out of that leaf, so flavorful, though, yeah, but it's something that helps pickling. So if you but you have to read, and everybody on the web, there's probably 30 YouTube videos on how to do this. And everybody's got their own, you know, their own kind of
formula. Nobody's Right, yeah, the problem with the web and with YouTube in particular, and I've always challenged people, I say, anyone who knows how to make, for example, boss Mati rice properly, you won't find it on. I look at YouTube videos because I just as a lark I was in Can anyone cook this stuff correctly? No, Chinese rice. It's not a Chinese rice, it's a boiled rice. So you have to boil it in a lot of water, and you
have to clean it a lot. I usually rinse my basmati rice, sometimes up to seven times, depending on the source of the rice, to get it clean, because it tastes like It tastes terrible otherwise, and so, so you have to absorb everything you can, and then you have to go your own way. But I'm telling you, if you you should start fermenting vegetables. It's like, it's a great product. She, she, uh, definitely has the patience to do it. She has more patience than anybody else in
our house. Yeah, she's perfect for fermenting vegetables and pickles. And you start with pickles and you work out you you can also make your own sauerkraut. Sauerkrauts are real. That's actually kind of easy to do, and what, what's cool about making your own sauerkraut, which is also a salted, you know, you salt the crown. You don't even use any liquid. The liquid comes out of the cabbages. Kind of pickles
itself in the cabbage juice. But what's cool about doing sauerkraut is you can, you can pickle or sauerkraut, make sauerkraut out of red cabbage. And that's you can't buy red cabbage sauerkraut. It's almost impossible. Now, I was doing a lot of sauerkraut until Costco came. Found a brand. They have a brand of fresh fermented sauerkraut that they sell at the Costco locally here, and I think most of them have it. It, which is so good and made properly, that is like, why am I going to
waste my it's cheap. Why am I going to waste my time making sauerkraut now that it said, Unless I want to make red sauerkraut? Why am I going to do that when I can buy this Costco stuff, and it says outstanding products, how I feel about tortillas? I looked up, I saw, look how easy it is to make tortillas. And I was like, okay, yeah, let me try that, that the hassle that of making tortillas is totally
fresh. Oh no, you know, I made really good ones, just in a skillet and but they came out and they taste, tasted, felt, and looked just like the ones that I buy and our local grocery store, they're super cheap. You get eight, nine inch ones for, like, under $2 so I'm like, yeah, it's not worth the hassle. No, there are moments where it's not worth the hassle. Yeah. Now, if I was making 200 of them. I've saved some good fermented dill pickles. There's always a specialty shop. It's nothing you
can just get. They don't have in Costco, they have, you know, some sort of other kind of pickle they that they have, there's a vinegar pickle. It's almost like pulling teeth in when you can find there's a place in Berkeley that has that that sells specifically fermented pickles, cucumbers. It's like, 910, bucks for a jar. It's really expensive. So, and these cucumbers are cheap. So it's like, at some point there's, there is stuff that you can do cheaper. Do you pickles?
Is one of them? Do you have Mount Olive brand pickles over there on the West Coast. We have out here. We're that's right up the road from us. Yeah, Mount Olive, North Carolina, is right up the road. And here's a fun fact, they never used to have a Mount
Olive products out here. But the thing I like about Mount Olive when they finally got them out here, because I used to have this, this product in if you go to Canada and you're in Toronto, for example, and you you'll notice there's hot dog stands all over the place, just like
New York City. Only the difference between the New York City dogs, which is that they were called Dirty water dogs because they're all boiled and there's a dog in the water, and they put put in the bun, the Toronto dogs tend to be grilled, and they also have for a condiment they has, and it's done slightly different to New York stuff is usually sauerkraut style, Jewish style, hot dog, all beef. And so the Toronto they had these, these pepper
rings. And I've never they never had them on the west coast for years and years, and then Mount Olive when it made its inroads into California, they had the pepper rings. And these Mount Olive pepper rings are just beautiful. They're great, yeah, they're Mount Olive. Pickle company was the, one of the first, if not the first, major manufacturer to use high fructose corn syrup in their product. Is too bad. Yeah, they but that's most of our pickles in our fridge that Leila
didn't make. Are from Mount Olive and then the jalapeno rings and the all the specialty stuff that they have there at our grocery stores down the street, they have a probably 15 foot, you know, floor to the top shelf of Mount Olive products. Well, if they're local, they should, right? Yeah, I always hate these guys. They cheap out and go with this high fructose corn syrup, which is unhealthy. And my favorite thing to find on these jars, it says, original
recipe. You look at the ingredients as high fructose corn syrup. How original is that? The crappiest sugar product you can put in something? Yes, yeah, it's pretty, pretty gruesome. Speaking of hot dogs, we also have a we're in pig country out here in eastern North Carolina. There's, you're in East North Carolina, eastern North Carolina. Yep, yep. So we've got hog farms everywhere, so you have the pure vinegar barbecue sauce. Yes, yes, we can make, I can make a barbecue
stocks. I North Carolina is the capital of barbecue, as you know, yeah, and but the east and the west, and then there's a couple of sub sections in the middle make a different style of barbecue, and their sauces are different. And I've been all through North Carolina. I love that state, and it was really interesting about North Carolina. It easily switched from these, by the way. These are millions. I have a million
of these stories. It switched from a tobacco growing state, uh huh, to a wine growing state at the drop of a hat. Yep, I saw it happen. We live in rural, very rural, North Carolina, and it used to be tobacco fields everywhere. Yeah,
we still have fields on. Around it, and now there's vineyards everywhere, and there are soybeans ever Oh, sorry to hear that, but yeah, the it harkens back to me, and I remember it distinctly when I first time I went to Bordeaux, France, because I'm kind of a wine collector, I went to Bordeaux, and this was in the 70s, and I went there, and I was floating around the vineyards.
And most of the small family vineyards had rows and rows of vines and rows and rows of tobacco and everything, and they don't, that's, you won't see that much anymore, but back in the day, there was tobacco, and the vines grew side by side and probably influenced each other's flavors too, but they grew side
by side. I always said, That's interesting, that tobacco grows where vines grow, and so when North Carolina made the switches, I far as I was concerned, this was obvious that was going to happen, because vines and tobacco both like growing in the same area. I didn't know that. I didn't nobody knows that. And then North Carolina, that grow great grapes. They know it now. I mean, because they just pulled up their tobacco fields and put in vineyards, and it works fine,
and they make good wine. There. The problem in North Carolina, why is not to belabor this, but is the they don't have the it's, it's a it's a milieu. They don't have the winemakers mill you that they have out into Napa Valley, let's say, for example, where everybody's a winemaker, and they all talk about it all the time. In places like North Carolina, they it's going to take a while before they develop that. So they the quality of increase as they do,
yeah? It's very like, Hey, I, you know, we made a, we made a wine, you know, yeah, you run into that in Texas too. They're, they're just like, like, we went to a wine tour at one of the very small vineyards around here. And it was all very just like, hey, we did we did the thing. We made we made it. We did it. It was like, we saw other people doing it, and then we read how to do it, and then we did it. Yeah, that sounds right.
So I guess it's just, you know, it's what happens over time, is that there's a couple of guys that are nuts and they they have the super skills, and then develop actually make good wine. And everyone goes to them, and then they kind of consult, and everyone gets brings up their game, right? But that hasn't happened yet. I don't think it'll take. I'm not a fan of
wine in general. Very few wines that I've been like, oh, wow, that's fantastic, but I am, you know, I also haven't had a ridiculous amount of wine either, so, but let's see what else did we have here? Yeah, and I was just, I know Leila wanted to ask you about the vinegar so, so just apple cider vinegar is, is the way to go with pickling for just because we're doing, like, not like, long term fermented, not long Yeah, no, it's not fermented at all, not
what I meant to say. But like, so I use apple cider I make a hot sauce occasionally when I get a big batch of serranos, and it's basically just serranos and apple cider vinegar, and it's fantastic. Just I've gotten the the mix, just right, some garlic into that mix. I do, I put, I've put garlic into it, and then, oh yeah, salt. And I think I put that. That's about it. I didn't put a lot in because I wanted to get, like, a base and then change it up, but I liked the product so much.
Um, well, sir, rhinoceros is a great is a great hot pepper without being too hot, right? And then it's also, um, it's just a flavor of it. It has that fresh green I don't know how else to describe the flavor. Yeah. I just classic Mexican uncooked Mexican chili verde is based on that flavor you're talking about, right? Jalapenos, hematoon, they usually use that, but serranos will provide that same taste with a little more heat.
I hope to like be able to make enough eventually to bottle it and sell it, you know, locally, or to, you know, fans of the show or whatever we are selling hot sauce now, but it's just, it's white label. We're ordering it with our labels on it. Funfactfriday com, you know, a little play on words there, but you can go to Hot Sauce dot funfactfriday com and get a case if you want. Well, you're making lots of it.
Well, it's sticker mules sauce, and they started doing white label, and you can order, and we're doing what kind of North Carolina style of East Coast, West Coast, East, West, a middle of the road, just almost like a Texas Pete, but a little, a little snow, not Texas Pete. It's like its own thing. It's kind of sweet. It's got a sweetness to it. Little Memphis action going, Yeah, and it's got, yeah, yeah. There you go. I was trying to pinpoint it, but
it's good. It's got a, maybe a medium heat, a little hotter than medium picante sauce, like medium pace pecan sauce, little hotter than that, but it's got some sweetness to it. So it's pretty good. The spice of hot sauce or fire sauce from Taco Bell, but it's just kind of like a little promotional item. I'm sure it's great. Yeah? So yeah, we didn't want to take up too much of your time. We did
want to. Thank you so much. You brought us a large chunk of our main listener base, yeah, when you played the clip from our way, way, way back show, when Leila sound? Remember how long ago? That was 10 years, at least. Yeah, at least 10 years. Leila was four. Yeah, she sounded four. Oh, my God, exactly. Well, what one of the other thing like you, you y'all were busting on us because we sounded like NPR, and we did at the beginning, like, I want,
I was used to you, yeah. Well, you mostly, I mean, she doesn't sound like NPR. Well, no, you weren't doing the the NPR. You were talking. You were this, obviously, listen to NPR because you don't do that. That's not a natural voice, no the NPR voice or close mic, dead room, you can do anyone can make that sound. It helps to have a super dead room. And then you talk slower, and you're in your close mic, and you say, Well, today you're very modulation is, is not, is
sub normal. It's not a lot of modulation, except once in a while and that then it stands like a sore thumb. It's a style that we mock, right? I was trying to, I was trying to make it sound clean. And you should have seen our setup back then, we were running two $20 mics into Austin audacity to edit into a problem right there, into a $20 mixer. Yeah, and then I can't even remember what interface how it interfaced with the computer, but we ran it right into Audacity, like a USB.
And I mean, we had a script, and I would spend twice as long editing as we talk. And he taught me how to edit, like, you're gonna edit every single episode, right? And then we were just like, why don't instead of editing, why don't we just get better at talking? Why don't we just not edit? Well, you know Adam, when he was running the mevio thing, and I was always in total agreement with this thesis. There's different ways of doing these kinds of productions, but live to tape is the is the right
term for it? Yep, and that means you don't do any or you minimum, do very minimal post production, because that's what kills you. It does. There used to be a podcast that I thought was very competitive with us called unfiltered. Couple guys in Seattle did it and they would, it was similar. They used clips and they analyzed them. They was, it was a very good show.
And the two guys had a falling out, unfortunately, but they but it took them days and days and days to get the show out, because they were posting it up so much, you know, they had to edit this. I get the ums out of there. I guess I don't. I mean, when you're when you're looking at the waveforms, you you're very tempted to take every um or you take him out, you don't sound like a person. Then, yeah, no, you don't sound like a person at all. And so, so they, they were taking too long to
produce a show. I'd like to Adam gets to show out. And we get to show out in probably 40 minutes after it's finished. And that includes getting the art, getting the title, finding the opening, and then doing a little thing at the close, and that's all posted up, that's all put on at the end, and then getting the RSS feed so it's right. And that's 40 minutes. Horowitz gets to show out in 15 minutes. It takes us 10 go up. There you go. That's all it should take. It takes I wrote
using the the AI. I wrote the a show notes, RSS feed maker, and I put in a drag and drop our show notes into it that we've got in our our next cloud collaborate thing. I just drag and drop that in. I upload the mp three, I type in two pieces of information, and it spits out an RSS feed and a update to the website. And and then I click, yep, and then I click a what, how's the RSS feed produced? Is that part of the system, or did you write some code to make that happen?
I wrote some code to make that happen. No, okay, it's, well, I'll, I'll say that the AI wrote some code to make it happen, and I, I customized it. That's how we'll say that. That's you got the right idea. It. Yeah. And. To get the show out and get the finished product done of 10 minutes, 15 if I have to make art, if I don't have, like, a picture ready, because sometimes we'll say something in the show that's so funny that I have to make the show art, like, for that reference that.
So I'll pop on the art through AI too. Um, it depends. I try not to, because has been doing that recently. We and it's actually far superior than what he's been doing before. We find I should become a good prop jockey for this sort of thing, for what you're doing here. I think you can, once you get the hang of it. I think you can do tremendous AI art for for shows. Yeah, we're Adam hates it, but and we bitch about it
all the time. When we were picking our art for our show, which is a has a bunch of competitive artists that are doing it. We don't do it, but they're doing it. And, you know, a lot of it's junk junkie AI, but some of it's just like, wow, how do you what did we had a situation with Darren O'Neill, who's who's gotten really good at AI art, who's also does some,
some shows himself. He did some, a couple of tremendous pieces that I insisted that he give me the entire process that, in other words, all the prompts, all the results of the prompts. And he did that. He sent me the initial prompt and what what it generated, and another prompt that modified what it generated, and another prompt. He usually gets it in three or four prompts with some modifications to a piece of art that is like, this is ridiculous. Isn't so good. So
we probably use speed up. We use those probably about half the time. I use a site called Pexels. It's P, E, X, E, L, s.com, and it is 100% copyright free. Use it for anything, even commercial stuff, art. And it's actually ELS, yes, and they have video clips, images, some art, like people have created, but it's all like they, they request that you credit the artist, but it's not
required. And then I've got, if you look at our show, art per episode, I've got our, whatever the picture is in, like a hexagon with our title and the title of the episode on it, and that way you can always tell, you'll see it, you'll know it's our show, but the arts different every episode, so it's kind of like a branding thing. And then, yeah, that even if I'm using AI or pixels, it still only takes me five minutes to to throw it together in a free Photoshop clone online.
Good. Which Photoshop clone are you using? Photo Pia or photo P, it's photo P, I don't know. Photo P, it's P, H, O, T, O, P, E, A, huh, and you can even, I would say yes, photopia, but it, it looks and feels just like Photoshop, obviously, without the, you know, and it runs right in your browser. It does have ads all over the page, but nothing in our house has ads because, you know, I squashed that with
technology. So I just used that, and used my original templates that I did make in Photoshop back when I was paying for it, and just drag those templates in, drop the new art in, change the title, boom. But nice. It's a very nice, nice little system we have going good, and I'm kind of, I'm kind of proud of it, I can tell. But yeah, we definitely wanted to thank you for for getting us a good chunk
of our audience. And we, we've been listening to, Leila has been listening to no agenda, literally, her entire life. Yeah? Well, I'm sorry, Leila, yeah, thanks. As soon as she could talk, she was singing the jungle. She just doesn't mention it at school. She doesn't. There's one person, I think, never said that. It's a scam. No, I quoted her in the house, though she does. She quote she she doesn't talk a lot about anything podcasting at school, because she's too cool for that. So no big deal.
Get yourself a tick tock account and just no camera that fit right in. No we I would rather talk about my podcast at school. Tick tock's The worst. Yo. It's highly entertaining. It I will entertaining. I will say that there's some entertaining stuff that's come out. Oh, there's plenty. Some of it's sickening, especially these dumb girls who do lip sync songs and do stupid dance. Says, But, yeah, you can
get past those. Twitter is another one that, I think is, if people still can, they moan about it more than than they used to. But in fact, if you, if you push back, I've done this with people. I think Twitter is 20 times more entertaining than it's ever been. Yes, it's got funny stuff. It's got stuff that's like, completely off the wall, crazy conspiracies that are incredibly entertaining. Nut
balls. It's just great. And, you know, Elon has just let this thing go nuts, and he's on it way too much, yes, yeah, constantly posting. Dad started to get his Twitter algorithm to being actually good. It's, it's taken a while, but Twitter definitely gives you what you engage with. And I've been trying. I've been trying to engage with the funny stuff and the light hearted stuff, because the politics, you know, I enjoy keeping up with what's going on and and all that, but I can't be
embroiled in it all the time. I have to have the the funny videos and the for some reason, Twitter, the last couple of days, has been feeding me these, I think it's called Dogville or Dogtown. It's these old black and white movies of dogs dressed in these. You've seen them? No, I haven't seen it on Twitter. I know what you're talking about. Dogtown. It's a bunch of dogs that talk to each other and just smoke cigars, if I'm not mistaken,
30s, yep. And they've got, like, like, six shooters, and it's just, it's just little, little short films. But it is so Max Senate, or somebody did those. I love it, and I always like I like them or whatever. And the more you like stuff and like a certain genre, the algo is getting better. I'll just say that it's learning and I'm actually getting entertaining funny stuff, instead of just people yelling at each other and calling each other names all the time, which is what I used to
get. I kind of enjoy that because like to see people screaming at each other. Something about is satisfying, drama, but, yeah, nuts. No, no, sauce is not life threatening. Yeah, yeah. And I love it when people just they're they're making good points to each other at the beginning, and then maybe, what, 10 comments down, they're just
calling each other names. And yes, the comments, the comments have also gone a little I think the comments on I could be wrong, because I might be just getting feeds like this, but the comments, especially the lengthy ones, where there's not lengthy in terms of a single comment. But the pages of comments are, I think they've gone extremely right wing, and I think it's caught a lot of people off guard. There are the critics that are within those comments are just overwhelming. It's
ended. Most of them are, you know, they hate Joe Biden. They hate us. They they and they have funny lines. Some of them are humorous. Some of the things they say, I it's very enjoyable. Yeah, it's fun to scroll while you're while you got time to kill. But, yeah, we didn't want to take up any more of your time. Anything else you wanted. We got it. We got the plug for too many eggs. Yeah, that was the only reason I came on. Gotcha lecture you
about your own agriculture. So, right, yeah, since you're there, you know what? I know, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go all the vineyards and be like, Y'all need to plant some tobacco. Well, they do. They you can be sure that most of them had the tobacco already. What you should do is, even though you don't like wine, you might my wife loves it, though there is good wine, but you know what? The one thing that the most rank amateurs can do, they can make
pretty decent white wines. And so you can always go with that the red wines are harder to make, right? Somebody would argue with me on that when it comes to super great white wines, but generally speaking, you don't have to have the same skill level. So yeah, that's any any topic that has somebody who's a connoisseur.
Same thing with like coffee, like you're gonna have people that are gonna argue that this is the better way to roast it, or this is the better place to go, and this is the better and everybody just wants to sound smarter than everybody else. My wife likes wine. She She enjoys it, but she's like, I don't know any. I just, I find a bottle that looks like the kind of wine I like. I'll try it if I don't like it. I write down. I don't I'm not gonna buy
that one again. She still hasn't yet started writing them down, right? She, she just kind of remembers she's gonna have to move to Bordeaux wine Bordeaux. She, she likes red blend is normally. She's like, Yeah, what Bordeaux is, that's all. It is. Okay. The reason you want the Bordeaux, I don't know what to I haven't been to a liquor store in North Carolina forever, so I don't know this for a. Fact, but there's always some places
bringing it in. It's cheaper than any domestic wine, and better, generally speaking, okay, and healthier. You don't get headaches from it. It's not mono cultured. I mean, most of the wines we have in the United States because of the nature of the like in Napa Valley, for example, there's so much a cedar bacter and just in the air. That's why we have sourdough
bread. Like falling off a log in California, because there's sourdough bread comes from the a cedar bacter that's natural to the to the atmosphere around here, you believe some so flour out, it turns sour because of all this bacteria, this acidic, these acid making bacteria that make acetic acid, like vinegar, and so the so the bread tastes terrific, but the problem is it gets into the wine. And you make a wine, and next thing you know,
the wine is bad. In one year, it turns into a bottle of vinegar, which I know a lot about, because I like making vinegar. And so they have to kill all the microbes in the must, which is the grape juice. When they crush the grapes, they have to kill everything. So they do that with
hydrogen sulfur dioxide. And so they do, and once it's dead, then they inoculate the entire batch with some yeast of some sort, usually a monoculture, and you end up with a wine that is just not as complicated or interesting as you would with natural geese, which you have in Europe, because in Bordeaux, For example, the grapes themselves will be covered with this yeast. We have it. We have grapes covered with the yeast here too.
But we got so much a cedar bacter it makes it almost impossible to make a bottle of of genuine, you know, field blended wine from natural yeast. Once in a while they do it, and they they're successful, but 90% of the time they can't do it. But in Europe, that's all, generally speaking, that's all they do. And so you get better products, and it's healthier, huh? Oh, there's some fun. That'll be my last lecture for today. No, we enjoy. That's, those are
cool facts. Uh, Leila tried to make, tried to make some sourdough a couple weeks ago, yeah, to get a starter going, and it was not working the rye flour, no, the whole wheat flour is doing great, but when I put the all purpose flour in, it doesn't do what it's supposed to do. Yeah, what you're gonna what you'd have to do? I've never made it personally. I know how it's made. I know what the processes are, you're gonna have to find some, some source for the for the sour, the starter.
You got to find a starter. She was trying to make a starter when you get it going. Once it gets going, you have it, you have a starter, but to get it to the point where it's healthy. As a healthy starter, you may have to use somebody else's starter, right? Oh, yeah, that's what you have to lose. You have to find someone. I mean, there's the cheat for making sour dough, is just to put vinegar in it. Now you could probably put a I've never done this. I'm just
guessing. But I'm always thinking that you could do a cedar bacter, living a cedar bacter, like you can get, like for example, Bragg's apple cider vinegar has live yeast in it or live bacteria in it, a cedar bacteria, supposedly. And I'm wondering if you dump some of that in the into a bunch of flour, if you'd have, if it
would take, huh? I've never thought about it, but I'm always wondering, because I don't know that you can make good sourdough outside of these areas like we have here, where it's just the air is, you know, basically vinegar, right? It all comes back to vinegar. It's just back to vinegar, Well, John, it's been a pleasure having you on. Congratulations on 200 shows. That's a milestone for most podcasts can't even get to 10. Okay, the two of you, and it's a good show. You guys do
appreciate that. Definitely and and now we'll be going to, who are we going to? We're going to David and Leila with the the value for value segment. Thank you, John, we will. You're welcome back anytime, as is Mimi and y'all have a have a fantastic rest of your week. Okay, thanks guys, thanks for throwing it back to us. David and Leila, yeah, we appreciate that. Want to thank John again for coming on the show that that was a great
conversation. I wish we could have talked longer, but it was getting late, and you know, everybody's time is valuable. So, no, it's actually after Leila had been at school. You were at school for a 12 hour day. It was with all your clubs and your band and everything, and then we hope I was energetic enough. You were you were okay. You did okay, but I didn't get to I didn't get to talk to John about a few things I wanted to talk to him about. Maybe we'll get to stealing our
good news section. Yeah, they started doing a good news segment. I don't think they're doing it anymore. Now. I listened to the episode today, and they didn't do it. So maybe they got all of them, yeah. But yeah, yeah, it's it was fantastic having John on, and we could have that conversation, could have gone 100 different ways. And he's, he's got a story for everything. Yeah, he's a he's a talker.
Definitely appreciate that experience, and we appreciate his, you know, Mimi coming on and doing the too many eggs that was, that was a great episode. We appreciate that too. But I think we're going to jump right into the value for value segment. This is a value for value podcast, as you know, as Adam curry mentioned before the the interview we just had there. And let's see donations click. I made a separate page this time
for for donations. Oh, and that link the I went to the archive.org and looked up, and I got the link for the escape audio drama, and that is in the show notes. And you can go to that, and there's just so many episodes, pretty dope. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's got that old timey radio, you know, it's like, it's like at this and there we are on the train, and big monster was coming through the window. Nice. That was not planned. She's like, I know whether it's
a monster button. I don't want my glasses on, so we could barely read it, but I knew which one was the right one, right? Yeah, it's a really good audio drama, and they have and then I started surfing around archive.org and there's so many radio dramas from that, from that era, but, you know, some of them are real boring ball this weekend, yeah, and I'm actually, I am thinking about maybe making an RSS feed out of some of them,
because why not? You know, put them in the podcast sphere, and I think, I think folks would enjoy it. But let's jump over to donations. We received a cash donation, along with purchasing some of the hot sauce cousin Vito sent us $20 reduce dollar. Well, American dollar reduce, not australian dollar reduce American, just dollars, I guess, yes. So we definitely appreciate that. That's fantastic. We,
we're we're here. We're going to go out and get some, get a treat, go out of like the Mongolian restaurant or something. That sounds good. Yeah, that'll be fun. We'll go out and have dinner on cousin Vito, yeah, and we appreciate that so much. And we hope that you enjoy the hot sauce. Thank you. And let's see, what else do we have here? We have, do you want to read the sets? Oh, yeah, if I can, hold on. Okay, so, oh, I don't know how to read that. Want to make it bigger?
No, it's just the way you way you put it. Okay, 847, SATs from just listening and just listening says, yeah, that Medus down. Sounds like a nerd. Sat and sonar go really, go together really well. That's in reference to me the I boosted our own show to test. I was testing a helipad or something like that. Okay, we were making fun of the media. Sky. Yeah, that meet us, nerd, cool guy. Dot FYI, all right. Oh,
well, don't do like, sorry. He highlighted it, and the highlight color was like a really dark color, so I couldn't read it as hard as I can on these. So another 847, SATs from just listening on the episode before that ancient civilizations cool. It ranked. The coolest thing about these ancient civilizations is how many were stupid good at stonework, the Inca, the Incas in particular, and then there's a link, and I will put the link in the show notes.
I'm gonna copy link. I love looking at, like, all the sculptures from that from back then, right? I gotta do this right now, or it's not gonna happen. You know me, but, yeah, I'll put that link in the show notes, and it's a link to the Incan it's rock whispers the subtle power of Incan masonry. So this is pretty cool. That's pretty cool. And then let's see, oh, the next one we actually already read, I believe, yeah. Did we read it? Yeah, because it was, it was 20,033 SATs from Kevin hallasy.
Yeah. For 33 for the magic number, 200 for episode. 200 Yeah, we definitely appreciate that. That's fantastic. So yeah, that that was, that was our support segment. We are value for value. We put the show out for free. And if you receive any value from the show, feel free to put a number on that and send it back to us in support. We appreciate everything we get, even if it's just a note. The you know that that does mean a lot to us and keeps us going with stuff we did receive one
other note. It is from the silent third member of the show, my wife, phaedra's Mother, I'm what try leila's Mother, Phaedra, no, okay, so here we go. She sent us a little note. Just wanted to tell you both, and I'm super proud of you. I'm not great with words or saying or with saying it often, but I know you both know it. I'm amazed each and every time I listen to the show, you are both funny, quick witted, entertaining, and dare I say, I have actually learned stuff from
your shows. Most of all, I am so thankful I can go back anytime and listen to my two favorite people, even when I roll my eyes with a joke or a rant I know is coming, I cannot help but smile and laugh every time I listen, it makes my heart so incredibly full. I love you both. Heart, heart, heart, oh, sweet. So she has, she knows she doesn't want to be on Mike, which I get, it's not her thing. We're not going to force her so.
But she was, like, my favorite thing, one of my favorite things from the whole show is when Leila did this little, little gap. Oh, don't do it too loud. You mean jack human or Hugh Jackman. I did you just call him Jack human, who was in the greatest showman? Oh, it's Jack human. That was episode 28 that was about four years ago. Yeah, that's crazy. You sound like a, like, just like a little toddler kid, like John was talking about, you sound like a little,
squeaky kid, yeah? But you know you were, I mean, you're 10, this, you know, long time ago, talking about the first time he did the Huzzah, right? But we couldn't find that. Couldn't find that transcript, obviously, right. Do that Huzzah? Like, how do you know I can't remember anything else we said
around it. But basically, I just, I finished my drink, and we have just been watching a show where huzzah was, like, one of the things that somebody said, and he would throw his drink across the room, and I threw my bottle. Oh, it's called, I think it's the great, not a kid's show, um, about Catherine, the great. And the guy on there throws his, like, whatever he's drinking out of when he's done with it, he's like, huzzah, and throws it
across the room. And I did that, and it hit the wall really loud, and scared the crap out of Phaedra, because it hit the wall, like the door, and it it was funny. It was like, across the house, right? It was a funny moment. So she heard this big, loud bang, and then on the podcast, because she was listening live at the time. She heard me say his office. She didn't know what was happening.
Yeah, good times. Good times. So we're sitting at a, you know, a good, good little chunk of time right now, hour and 20 something minutes. So I think, I think we're gonna wrap it up. We did want to say thank you one last time to for this episode, of course, but dreb Scott, yeah. Dreb Scott, you are the fourth member of our team. Silent member. You make this show happen pretty much. Sometimes I think dreb Does more work on our show than we do. Yeah, he does, because transcripts are thanks to dreb
and chapters. Chapters are thanks to dreb and dreb. If you ever want a little time off, I've told you, let me know I can do the chapters for a little while. I even made a little little chapter maker program. Thanks everybody for listening. We got, we got some changes coming to the show. We did nothing big. But, you know, we got a little, little little, little changes. What is going on with my balance on the I track that down later. It's not
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