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Episode 186 - SSS - JFK Conspiracies!

May 11, 202459 min
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Leila

The button didn't push down.

David

No, it didn't. That's at the bottom. But the music isn't Fun Fact Friday. This is not Fun Fact Friday. If you look at the release date on this episode, it's actually a Saturday. You know that mean? That means you're that means there's gonna be sillies speculations,

Leila

and on a Saturday.

David

Leila's disgusting. Silly speculation said,

Leila

Oh my gosh.

David

So Leila is not feeling 100% today as you can tell, but she's she's in she's in good spirits will say that. She's, she's been working on her on her cosplay we've been. We're in the 3d printing phase of the cosplay.

Leila

I'm making the prop. And it's like, it looks amazing. Yeah, by homeless done with it

David

by next week's episode, we should have a really good picture of it. It's a fork.

Leila

It's a fork. It's a huge fork. That's four feet three inches tall.

David

Give or take. I don't remember the exact dimensions. It's huge. But it's for her Miku.

Leila

Okay, and they make you X strawberry 15th anniversary. Write that up. That's what I'm doing.

David

We'll we'll do a full breakdown on the Yeah, the steps of everything.

Leila

Should have a full picture of it by the end of July.

David

Yeah, you should be done. You should be done by actually you didn't really need to be done. earlier than that.

Leila

To make sure progress pictures and stuff to compile, right.

David

Work on your book and everything. But that's not what we're here to talk about. What are we here to talk about?

Leila

JFK,

David

J. K. John F. Kennedy, who's John F. Kennedy.

Leila

Some dude, I think he was the president for a while.

David

Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's what I'm told. I wasn't I wasn't around. I was so all of this is actually speculation because we weren't there.

Leila

Not JFK.

David

But we do. We do a silly speculation Saturday, every once in a while and Leila has been learning about JFK a little bit in school, and we thought it was a good topic to broach on a silly speculation Saturday. Here's a little disclaimer. We these episodes are not quite as family friendly. We're still not going to cuss or anything like that. But they do typically not

unless you pay me a lot a lot. But yeah, the the deal with a little little weightier of topics and sometimes they're not, you know, stuff you want to hear, like, you know,

Leila

really it's gonna deal with assassination.

David

Right so and things that go along with that can be unsettling for some people. So viewer listener discretion on a set viewer discretion. Listener discretion is advised. And since we're gonna go ahead and jump right into all of this, I do want to go ahead and do our value for value segment right off the bat, so we don't forget. I don't know how long Leila is gonna last out being sick and everything. So we're gonna we got our monthly sustaining Pay Pal donations in this week. Yay. And we have $5

Leila

from Sherry Laurie. Hey, you go

David

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Leila

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David

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Leila

We got $10. From Steven Grimes, yes, and

David

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Leila

perks on people. It's just another way to support

David

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Leila

for a little while. So Sometimes, it's probably because I'm just like blowing my nose. Yeah, I'm stuffed out gross. It is.

David

And, yeah, so So JFK is a very contentious issue. JFK was born in the 1300s. Uh huh. And he was hundreds and hundreds of years old by the time he became president. Yeah, everything president got him. We we know, everything on this episode is speculation we may or may not believe any particular thing that we talked about. Yeah. It's nothing else business what we believe. Yeah, totally. But we may talk about things that we don't actually believe as we may just to make it more fun.

Leila

And we may even talk, we've never

David

we may even talk about things we deliberately don't believe. What were you gonna

Leila

say? We may even believe stuff we don't talk about on here. Yeah,

David

we may have we have may have some beliefs about things we talk about on silly speculation Saturday,

Leila

like my going theory is he didn't get assassinated. He just did that. He just somebody just did that.

David

And he was just like, I'm tired being president. Yeah. Lyndon Maji. Why don't you just take it over? I'm out of here. Let's do some performative. And I'm gonna go I'm gonna go to the beach. I'm gonna go to some island. Yeah,

Leila

he's chillin and like,

David

San Francisco. Probably not anymore. And he would be like,

Leila

oh, yeah, he'd be he'd be. Yeah,

David

cuz it was 60 years ago. He's already 30 Okay, so JFK was the president. And then on November 23 22nd 2011 22, June 22. Is the 22nd 22nd. Okay. Yeah, cuz that book of 1963. He was in Dallas, Texas, not different. Dallas, Dallas, Texas. And he was in the backseat of a open limousine with chillin with the missus and some other folks in the car. We'll talk about a little later. And yeah, he got he was chillin. He got he got shot. Yeah, he was he was waving. He was and he got

shot multiple times. Twice. Yeah, that's multiple. It's more more than one is multiple precise. We're talking about stuff. But okay, that's fine. No, I like when you correct me. I like when you say things like that. But yes, shot two times. And the governor, what was the governor's name? Oh, I

Leila

knew it. Hold on. I should have had this pulled up. Yeah, Dad, you should have had it pulled up really should have pulled up.

David

You gotta look. Okay. So, anyway, I know. I've heard I've heard it like 100 times last two days, because I've been because I've been

Leila

when J

David

ffice. Were professional podcasters. Folks,

Leila

and of course, it's gonna take me forever to search up. Okay. Governor, knowing he was the governor listed governor, John Connally. Yes. Thank

David

you. Yay, Connolly Connolly. So, Kennedy was sitting in the backseat with the with the Mrs. And Connelly was sitting directly in front of the President. So the one of the bullets went through the president and into Connolly through Connolly and to Connelly's wrist and then out of Conway so there's bullet hit strong bullet multiple people and caused all kinds of all kinds of damage. Yeah, well, real rifle rifle rounds are typically pretty, do a lot of

damage, especially that caliber. And this this bullet, they call it the magic bullet. Because they've done the one bullet theory. Yes, there's the one bullet theory. And basically, if you look in the show notes of this episode, we actually have a video that proves that the one bullet theory is absolutely true. They used 3d mapping software software and they went and did laser map 3d maps of the area. And they took all of the telemetry into into effect in them, trajectory of everything.

And they proved without, without a doubt 100% That one bullet went through Kennedy into Connolly out of Connolly into Connelly's wrist and it's no good one now, the house also have another video in the show notes of this episode, that what's wrong? Does. They use 3d 3d mapping, laser laser telemetry, and they just need rapid trajectories of the bullets and they took everything into into a count and prove without a doubt 100% that the one bullet theory is incorrect.

So take that for what you will. However, the one that shows that it's incorrect is a newer, a newer study. And the the one that says that the one bullet theory official, official narrative is correct does come from CNN.

Leila

CNN is always true. Yes, CNN news sources are always true all the time. 100%

David

is accurate and never has any bias or nothing. Fake stuff. Yes, silly speculation Saturday.

Leila

Don't take anything we say for truth, there's the one bullet.

David

Good, what the one bullet bullet thing has always been a point of contention around and saying that, that one bullet couldn't have done it. Now the official narrative says that three shots were fired.

Leila

And the second first one to hit, the first

David

one missed, just gonna hit the ground somewhere. And then the second bullet was the one that I was just talking about the magic bullet. And then the third bullet, killed him, got him got him in the head. And they say that Lee Harvey Oswald file fired all three of these rounds from the sixth story of a book depository that he worked in.

Leila

Although, from what I've heard, he used to be a Marine. And he wasn't that good of a shot.

David

Okay, so having some experience with some firearms, those kinds of rifles at that distance, you don't have to be a great shot. Like you don't have to be a marksman. Excellent marksman now

Leila

hitting him two out of the three or two out of three times that That being said,

David

That's the official narrative. Yeah. Is that he did it. Three shots, rapid succession with an inaccurate gun. And people will argue about that. But a not good shot, using an inaccurate firearm from big distance. Not that. Okay, it's not that huge of a distance when you have a scope rifle.

Leila

Okay. Yeah, that's true.

David

And when, when Oswald was in the Marines, that doesn't mean that that was like the height of his being good at a marksman because he might have gotten out of the Marines and then went and practiced a bunch. So you don't know. You know, we don't know if he got better as a marksman. But the official narrative and I keep saying official narrative, I'm going to come back to why I'm saying official narrative so much. The official narrative is that he did all three shots, tried to

get away, got caught. And then a couple days later, got shot by a nightclub owner, John, Jack, Ruby, Jack Ruby. And then Jack Ruby got killed. So there's also a list of witnesses. That Windows What are you doing? The keep adding stuff to Windows without telling I'm moving to Linux?

Leila

We're using Linux, I

David

was using Linux, but I don't have all my bookmarks and stuff moved over yet. And we needed to record. I know, once I gotta move over, I'll move to Linux. Oh, my gosh,

Leila

I realized that I'm not using a wired mouse and I can just put on my lap. I'm so good at this guys. Because I use I use a wired mouse at my desk inside

David

because wired mouse are far superior to wireless salutely. But

Leila

I like just holding it my lap. Right? It's awesome.

David

Okay, so the and then the the he, okay, so Kennedy died. Lyndon Johnson, who was vice president was immediately sworn in, bless you. Thank you. And we and boom, we had a new president. You know, it all happened very quickly. Lee Harvey Oswald never stood trial, obviously, because he was killed a couple of days. Now, when I say the official narrative, and I keep harping on that is because there are different theories. There's lots of different theories, things have

come out. But the whole point of why I'm saying it the way I'm saying it, is that when Oswald was shot, certain people who had interest in certain national security issues, military issues, things like that, started pushing, they were like, Okay, let's all get on the same page on what happened, because there will not be a trial. And we won't have anybody to say

that, you know, there won't be any discovery. Oswald won't be able to say whether he had accomplices so we we have control of the narrative, and we can put out anything we want to the news agencies. To shape this story the way we want to shape it and the way we need to shape it. Not saying that everybody who was involved was a bad actor or trying to lie or anything

like that, but I'm sure there were a few. As it, there's always going to be some bad apples and some people with interests that they want to keep protected.

Leila

So that's how the world works.

David

That's how the world works. And some of it might have been for national security reasons, you know, some of the ways that they told the story and put the story out and kept the narrative going one direction might have actually been good. Even if there were lies, because sometimes, you know, if there's there's nuclear war on the horizon, because at that time, we were kind of in the Cold War and, and, you know, relations weren't great with some of the world powers. You

can do a whole whole episode about that. But yeah, Oswald was excellent. Fall Guy. I whether he did or did not do it. A foul guys like a patsy. Patsy is. Okay. These are a Patsy's an old term for somebody who's taking the fall for somebody else. Okay, yeah. So like when the mob boss does something really bad. He has one of his goons be the Patsy. And he basically the goon goes to prison. Yeah, somebody to blame it on. Like escape, go,

yes. Escape code is another good term for that. But yeah, all as well even said, they like they actually let him talk to the press. And he said, You know, I'm the Patsy. I'm there. They're printing this whole thing on me. I didn't do it, which is exactly what somebody who did it would say, however, it wasn't me, you guys should have framed them.

Leila

And it's obvious what someone would say if they didn't do it. Exactly. And

David

that's the whole. That's the thing is that didn't there that he didn't get a chance to defend himself in court. He didn't get a chance to say,

Leila

I didn't do it, or I did do it. Right.

David

Or I did it. But I also these people helped me, you know, and that was that was one of the big things that that came out of the official narrative was that he acted alone. Yeah.

Leila

That was he was the only one that plan this out. And this, he was it was his plan. Right. It

David

was his plan. There's not some huge conspiracy to do this. Let's not

Leila

compare it to the Abraham Lincoln assassination. There was a whole group that was kind of planning it around it. And

David

I will tell you, I actually have very little knowledge of the Lincoln assessment actually,

Leila

I think, I don't know where my knowledge on the Lincoln assassination. I do. JFK,

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what are we doing, Lincoln?

Leila

I don't know. We can do both. Sure. All right. Right now, I'm fine. Some shuffling

David

Lincoln. That guy's on the pin. No, no. John

Leila

Wilkes Booth. He, I think he had a whole group around him have like, three other guys are somewhat. I'm gonna look at it before I'm saying anything else cuz I don't wanna get the facts wrong. But him and some of his buddies, partners in crime went in had a plan of killing a Lincoln, like the senator, the governor, stuff like that. Oh, so they had a whole plan. And a whole hit list. Yeah. And they had a supplier for the guy and people that helped stay at their house. So he could do all this. So

David

that's the whole thing. So it was an actual conspiracy, not just a theory. Yeah. I'm assuming this has been proven. Yeah, at least do records because you can't really prove something.

Leila

Because John Wilkes Booth didn't die right after. So we had a whole bunch of stuff put on him. He broke his leg after. Yeah, I

David

remember hearing I remember that. Yeah, he was running away and running away.

Leila

It fell off and fell off and he had to get but yeah, no exceptions about about that. What you're talking about this? Okay, you can do the JFK assassination. And I could do the Abraham Lincoln. Yeah,

David

yeah. Yeah, you could

Leila

plan the show on the show. That's

David

how we do it, because we're professional podcasters. So the the official, the official narrative was definitely planned. Like there are phone calls between Lyndon Johnson and other people talking about we need to get a we need to make sure that the the the what why can't I speak that we that we have that we can we control the narrative. And we need to make sure that a bunch of people don't start putting, putting ideas out there, putting out conspiracy theories about

what's going on and start talking about it. So we need to go ahead and release enough information to satisfy people that this is this is what happened. And we need to suppress anything else that comes out. And people weren't happy about that. People weren't happy about that at all. And there's been investigation since then. And there's been a ton of Records released since then. In the shownotes, there's a video called why people think the government killed JFK. And the

YouTuber who did it he's got like 5 million followers. He doesn't really good work. And in the shownotes of his episode, there's, he provides all of his sources. So he actually does a good job on that. I think Leila is about to sneeze again. No,

Leila

I'm gonna get I'm gonna be Yeah.

David

But yeah, Lincoln and Kennedy actually had a lot of like conspiracy theories. Yeah.

Leila

So, the backstory. Okay, go ahead, Lincoln. Oh, if I can speak. So on April 14 1865, Abraham Lincoln, the 16th, President United States was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth Walton, the the play Our American Cousin at Ford's Theater. And he was shot in the back of the hood as he watched the play. He died the next day because of his wounds. That's pretty much all you need to know about what actually happened and then try to summarize this. I'm not trying to like read it

verbatim. I am sick. So obviously, the whole Civil War thing is the Southwest seceding from the United States. Yeah. Because I have ordered a whole bunch of stuff. And they didn't like Lincoln, of course, because he was because it was President. He was from Pat inches. Yeah. And there were Lewis Powell, David, Harold, George at Surat, and John Wilkes Booth, and Mary Surrett. All in a group that were planning this whole

assassination and stuff before this happened. And Lewis Powell and David Harrell were assigned to kill the Secretary of State William H. Stewart. And George adds, Rod was tasked with killing the Vice President Andrew Johnson. This all failed, of course, because they didn't die. But Seward was wounded. I don't know how that happened. And Johnson's attacker became drunk instead of killing the West president. Because apparently

David

I'm gonna go do this, I'm gonna go to this thing we've been playing in. That's real bad. But you know what? I'm gonna go have a few drinks beforehand. Yeah.

Leila

And in this paragraph, it doesn't even say what Mary's read does, but I thankfully know. Right, Harry Surat, she had a house that all of these people were staying in or a place for them to. To scheme. Right. And yeah, the really only one that worked out was John Wilkes Booth killing Abraham. They were rock, Powell, Harold and Atzeret. And Mary, were all killed later for their roles in the conspiracy. Yeah, and this is, from what I know, the true fact. Okay, because this is a while while back?

David

Yeah, yeah, um, you know, everything. Everything

Leila

is just like it has less theory surrounding it, because it looks more like more truth, right,

David

like stuff that they found. And you can probably find sources for final letters and things written at the time. That's always that's always what I try and look for, when I go into any kind of thing like this, as I try and look for sources that were actually written at the time by the people who are there experiencing it. Now, that doesn't make these things true. And

Leila

booth even had like a diary, where he was like, what next? What chance I had if I wish to kill the president, the Inauguration Day, right, like, yeah, so it's a whole bunch of stuff pointing to him.

David

And to be fair, somebody else could have written that and said it was his Yeah. So you always have

Leila

to wrote it in like, a whole bunch people also wrote it. And he was just the one that happened to be blamed for it.

David

I just killed a scooter. Oh, no, it was a tiny little scooter. So coincidences involving President Lincoln and President Kennedy.

Leila

Oh, yeah. We just did a whole segment on this in history class did a neat,

David

yeah. Okay. So both presidents were elected and presidency in 1990, or whatever century they were in 60. So, in 60, both presidents were elected to the House of Representatives in the year 46 of their century, both presidents were runner ups for their party's nomination for vice president and 56. Of their

Leila

and actually, I think that they were both elected to Congress in 6318 6319 63. That

David

wouldn't be You can't know, not to Congress. Well, I'm 63. Let me let me run through and then we'll talk about that. Okay. Both successors, both successors with Southern Democrats named Johnson who were born in oh eight of their centuries. Both presidents were concerned with the problems of American blacks and made their views strongly known in the year of 63 of their centuries. Lincoln signed the Emancipation

Proclamation in 1862, which became law in 63. And in 1963, Kennedy presented his report courts to Congress on civil rights in the same year was the famous March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. Both presidents were shot in the head both presidents were shot from behind. Both presidents were shot in the presence of their wives. Both presidents were shot on a Friday. Both presidents were accompanied by another couple. The male companion of the other couple was wounded by

the assassination. Trunk sorry. Yeah, because if they were already

Leila

63 That was right, the same. Lincoln

David

was shot at Ford's Theater, Kennedy was shot and Lincoln automobile made by Ford. Lincoln was Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy, who told him not to go to the theater. Kennedy had a secretary named Evelyn Lincoln, who was born 100 years after Lincoln, whose husband was Harold, whose husband Harold's nickname was a boy who warned him not to go to Dallas. Both Oswald and booth were killed before they can be put on trial. Lincoln and Kennedy each have seven letters.

Lincoln and Kennedy both have five syllables and their full name, which counts Kennedy's middle initial shooting. John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald each have 15 letters in three words. There are six letters in each Johnson's first name, and booth ran from the theater to a warehouse Oswald ran from a warehouse to a theater. So there you go.

Leila

There you go.

David

I wonder. I mean, that's a lot. That's a lot. Everything's a lot. But like, you wonder how many like hi, big event profile event, things that happen in the world? That was a bad sentence. How many of them if you scrutinize every aspect and every detail of of any two events, many comments, you'll find that many coincidences everything. Right? So, you know, or, or, or in ninth and 2063? Whoever the President is, is going to have seven letters. And they're gonna have something to

do with Ford. And it's actually gonna be me. You're gonna be president. Yeah. seven letters.

Leila

I can make seven letters. What do you write? What? I write seven letters? I'll write seven letters. Seven

David

letter, I don't understand. Is it a reference to something that Oh, I know what you have to speak.

Leila

I'm not seven letters in my name. I'm gonna write seven letters.

David

Oh, each have seven letters. Like, oh, you could get some of those magnet letters that you put on the fridge. I can make it like,

Leila

I really want to become president 6063. Now, well, I can I can get assassinated and start a whole bunch of other conspiracies.

David

Well, that's a lame way to do it. Why you can just start conspiracy theories. That's what the shows about Saturday,

Leila

what if John F. Kennedy planned it?

David

If he was if he was the mastermind behind his own, quote, unquote, assassination? Yeah.

Leila

Because what if he wanted all this to happen? And he wanted it to be compared to Abraham Lincoln? Well,

David

that wouldn't be the first time I mean, in fiction that happens a lot. Where somebody plans their own death in order to start a series of events. Yeah, that will culminate in whatever they want their their outcome to be. He's

Leila

just big old jokester. Do you want this all to happen?

David

Maybe he has, like friends that are aliens that took them off world after this whole thing happened. Now talking about that aliens have been speculated by nice to be involved in the JFK assassination, because he was all about some space, you know, wanting to get space and everything. And the aliens were like, Nah, we don't need you

find in our moon bases. And took them out. That's always you know, one of the things huge events like this that quote unquote, everybody's going to remember who who was alive. While it happened. Always end up with so many like, whatever your pet conspiracy is, you can loop in to the JFK assassination. So like, if you if you think it's a lizard people that control the world, and they didn't like it, because he was about to expose the lizard people. Boom, you can you can say the lizard people

got Oswald to do it. Or somebody else did it. And Oswald was the Batsi. You can you can take any conspiracy theory and put it in there. And then when the government does try to do cover ups like they did in this situation, it's not even like they allegedly did, they did do cover ups and suppressed information and destroyed evidence and documents from the time it's all admitted to and and documented that they

destroyed the documents. So when you don't, when you have the government acting like that, after a huge event, you're obviously going to spark off a ton. A ton of conspiracy theories. Because obviously it is a conspiracy if somebody did If any two people make a plan to do something out of the ordinary, then it's a conspiracy. Then as like time goes on, you you have people start to come out, like they're getting old. And they do like their deathbed confession, or

they're like, You know what, it's been long enough. Anybody that I'm going to make really mad by saying this stuff is either gone, or they don't care anymore. So you actually have people writing books, there was recently, a secret service agent that was there that day, wrote a book about the whole situation. And he puts it out there. So like, as time goes on, more and more information is coming out. Back in 2017. The National Archives released tons and tons and tons of stuff, and they're

still releasing stuff. You can actually go to archive.gov. Whereas archive got slash research slash JFK. And there are, yeah, they have tons and tons and tons of documents, all the documents, millions of documents. Maybe not millions, I don't know, a lot of documents about the the assassination of JFK. And still, still, there are certain government agencies that are keeping stuff redacted. And what that tells me is that it's possible that some of the people involved in or named in those

documents are still in power somewhere. And they're doing them a favor, or they show really, really bad actions by certain agencies. And they don't want those documents coming out. And I'm like, they're, they're there, and you've been ordered to release them. And then they also redact things. Which is kind of super annoying. Yeah. Because they'll just have like a whole page. That's just you know, redacted, redacted,

redacted, you just literally can't read anything on it. And it can't all be like the word the will be the only thing visible on the whole page. Like, oh, when are that lumens? So yeah, it. It's super annoying when there's something that is 61 years old now, coming up on 61 years, and we still don't have the whole story. And they have the documents like they're there. And they've been told that they're supposed to release them, and then not release them. So you know, yep. So what else

did you have about? Did you want to go a little more than the Lincoln assassination or who?

Leila

So it's not much of that to say, okay, so

David

then we talked about the the alien stuff. So I found on Popular Mechanics, that one of the newly released documents revealed the name of the CIA official who intercepted Oswald's mail. And the month before JFK is killing so the CIA had Oswald on the on the, you know, under scrutiny. The guy's name was Reuben, F. Ron, and F. Ron had a UFO encounter encounter in 1955. Now, we're going Zach Rubin. A UFO encounter in 1955 when he was on a train, going through the

Soviet Union with Senator Richard Russell of Georgia. He was an Army colonel who was a Democrat. Senator, they saw what the CIA reported as to flying saucers. So, what what I'm thinking is either these UFO was landed on the train, because they can do that because, you know, I got, ya know, they can do that. And then they they talked to this to this CIA guy, and they were like, hey, yeah, look, here's what's gonna

happen. We need to take care of this this Kennedy guy, because he's, he's gonna tell everybody about lizard people. Well, yes, nice. No, no, no, no. So Soviet, okay, it was. Okay, if you had me all started. I was gonna turn your mic down. All right. I got my Russell Russell. The guy, the guy who's the senator, was among the Warren Commission members who interviewed Marina Oswald. Lee Harvey Oswald's wife in 1964. Marina was the one that saw the UFO and Soviet Union. Question

is what was he doing in the Soviet Union? Because the Soviet Union is involved in this whole thing. the Warren Commission is the the Cuba the ones Yes. Well, okay, so, the Cold War, you should look up, look up the Cold War and See how it all went down? Basically Cuba had missiles. Yeah, from Russia, right. They had missiles from Russia, because they're so close to America that they could launch the missiles. And they would get here before we had time to react. Yeah. So that was

a, that was a big thing during the time. And Oswald lived in Russia for a while, got bored of it, and then came back. So that was probably why he was on the CIA's radar is that he had been there lived there for a while. And Russia was like, what were you doing in Russia? Why'd you go live in Russia? You know, that sort of thing. So he was if he didn't do it, he wasn't like the the perfect fall guy for the whole vols situation. Yeah. So do you think the Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone? Just he was

just like, You know what I'm gonna do? Or do you think that that because I've heard, I've heard theories that the CIA was pretty much just, they didn't like Kennedy has a lot of reasons because of well do. Do you know, any of the reasons?

Leila

He tried to define them a little bit by like, 20%. Yeah,

David

I mean, that's, you know, one in five people fired fired.

Leila

That one dude. Well, what was his name? What was the name? Hello, I

David

don't know. You. You dug deep into the CIA? Did it? I did. Because I think didn't something get released in like 2020 2021. That said that the CIA was told me that. Yeah, I'm trying to remember when it was released. That was what I was trying to look for. And I'll find it real quick. So one of the things was the the Bay of Pigs Bay of Pigs was like, a loose.

Leila

Yeah, he didn't want to provide air support for it. Right. But

David

yeah, so they sent in some people to start a guerrilla war campaign and rally the people of Cuba against Castro. So it didn't, it didn't work out well, because apparently, the people of Cuba kind of liked Castro. So and Cuba, was in league with Russia, kind of going off

Leila

of, like communist. Right? Yeah, it was at the

David

time. Yeah. Cuz Castro was all about being a commie. John Kenny was all about not Yeah. He was like, those commies out of Cuba. And they thought, yeah, they thought that they would go in with a small, relatively small thing was like 1500, or something like that. People, and they would basically start a revolution to bring democracy to the people. And the people were like, Yeah, we don't want democracy. Because this guy is feeding us, kind of what it comes down to, and a lot of a

lot of poor countries. And of course, they had Russia, with the missiles. So anyway, the Bay of Pigs didn't go well. Yeah. And Kennedy didn't want to escalate things by sending in air support, that would have helped those 1500. People say, I didn't like that the CIA didn't like that, because it was CIA people down there. So

Leila

he also fired the director of the CIA director Alan duels. Yeah.

David

Who was on the Warren Commission. Yeah. Like they put him in charge of investigating the guy who fired him for investigating the assassination of that guy who fired him. And yeah, so.

Leila

Yeah. And he also plan to cut the agency's budget by 20%.

David

Yeah, yeah. And then I'll tell you what one thing government agencies don't like is when you cut their budget, yeah, they love that budget. I know from experience, one of the ways that the government stuff works is it works in business like this, a lot of times too, is like when they're getting the budget ready for next year, right? They'll call up an agency or even like a department, and they'll be like, Hey, Joe, how much money just been this year? And Joe's like, $100,000, which,

that's a very low number, but we spent $100,000. So we're gonna need and they're like, Okay, so typically, we go up about 3% a year. So we're going to we're going to make your budget $103,000 This year, but that's not really how it works. What happens is like, Joe, budget times coming up, and they've only spent $35,000, right, because that's all they've needed, right? They've bought their paper clips and their computer chairs and their you know, coffee for the break room.

Who is Joe Joe's? This the guy and head of department. This theoretical department, you missed out so yeah, so Joe's like, oh, man, I missed a Joe mamo. So So Joe's like, yeah, we only spent $35,000. This year, we saved a whole bunch of money for the taxpayer. And the person who's Coming up the budgets like Oh, so you're only gonna get 3% More than 35,000 Next year, because obviously you can operate on 35,000. So what happens in reality is Joe's coming up on budget time, and

he's like, we've only spent $35,000. This year, we were supposed to earn $100,000. Or we're not going to get that extra 3000 Next year, that's an extra 3%. So we need to spend $65,000 right now. Yeah. And I have seen departments in government agencies that I've worked alongside, I have seen them purchase hundreds of computer chairs, to make sure that they used up their entire budget for the year for a department head like 12 people. So they just had a back room in

their building full of $250 computer chairs. Because they had to spend their budget or they wouldn't get as much next year. And I'm like, wow, that's fraud, waste, and abuse, in my opinion. You know, I don't like this system, but that's how the system works. So when you cut the budget of a government agency, it makes a whole lot of government agency people upset. So they're talking about the CIA being involved in the

assassination. There was released on cia.gov in the reading room, there is a mafia and CIA linked in JFK, JFK murder document. And it looks like it came from the National examiner. And they've got it. They've got it here. It looks like they use optical character recognition. They didn't actually copy and paste anything they probably should have. Because this is hard to read. I'm going to do my best. Just documents said did it off mafia and CIA conspired in the

assassination of John F. Kennedy in 1963. And did the ill fated President seal his own doom with the decisions he had made several months before new evidence now appears to support the credibility of this astounding theory concerning JFK is murder and Dallas, members of America's top secret spy or as an organization. Some of these words aren't words they have letters and numbers or numbers and stuff in them because of

this bad scan. Members of America's top secret spy organization and known unknown triggerman for the mafia reportedly observed on the scene when the fatal shooting took place. Several CIA agents and at least one member of the mafia were allegedly taken into custody shortly after the shooting ceased, but were quickly released by Dallas police particular spot where JFK was brutally cut down. This is badly run particular spot when JFK was brutally cut down. My

brain isn't like this. It's written very weird. Few experts believe that Lee Harvey Oswald could have fired all the shots which poured into the President's open convertible. They've kind of skipping around a little bit is never been ascertained. Just why they happen to be at that at the popular I don't know. The popular theory now is that Oswald himself was eliminated to keep these lips sealed, which is

kind of what I was alluding to earlier. His killer Jack Ruby was known to have close associates among the underworld

figures. Witnesses claim photographs prove that former CIA agents ie Howard Hunt, convicted water Gator and Frank Sturgis were president when JFK was slain, also identified in a photo of those nearby the Presidential motorcade was parolee with a criminal record as long as your arm approved for a approved for approved Eugene Hale branding, with a recording dating back to 1934 was allegedly associated with James the weasel fruit tiano. Now that's a name. Yeah, James the

weasel frog piano. A well known mafia figure made me the weasel. Well, I mean, the Weasel is probably a nickname so you could kinda but you can't give yourself a nickname Leila. That's the lamest. The lamest thing is to give yourself hey guys from Milan, call me the CO Brooks. Okay, so the weasel was a well known mafia leading figure in the gangland killings, who was then one of the small bones family of Denver 1963

braiding was living in Los Angeles on parole. He claimed to be an oil prospector and obtained permission from his parole officer to visit Dallas on a business trip. He was scheduled to be in Dallas only for the day of the 21st According to records. He was supposed to be in Houston on November 22. The day if k was shot, why did he stay in Dallas? That's the question. I'm skipping around a little bit. The Commission did not connect Ruby visit with Brad for release

a Yelp Q five to visit had given a phony name. So bad.

Leila

I'm bad at reading it questions. I have a whole story I need to tell after this. Okay.

David

Okay, well, okay, so anyway, this story, which is on cia.gov, in the reading room, basically says the CIA and these mafia people were all there and probably shouldn't have been like, yeah, there's no reason for them to have been there. And it the question, the end end of the article says the question was whether or not it would accomplish that, which was, which is wanted to wanted to do. Okay, so yeah, I'll put a link to that in the show notes. So you can read it for yourself.

But that's bad. It's badly written. But you do what you do. Yeah. So

Leila

I want to talk about the other people involved in the what's it called? Abraham fascination. So like Powell at Ziraat. So we're gonna start off with Powell. He was the one that was supposed to attack. Secretary of State, William H. Howard, or Seward. Sorry.

David

So those were right to the Lincoln thing. Yeah. Rex and Lincoln jumping back to Lincoln. We're going back in time, back

Leila

in time, about 100 years. So on the night of the assassination, Seward was home on Lafayette Square confined to a bed and recovering from injuries sustained on April 5 for being sofas carriage. Harold guided Powell to Seward's house howl carried a Whitney revolver and a bowie knife. Like a good boy enough, yeah. He eventually made it into the house pushing past Fred or Fanny, which is William's wife. Phil after that, and he was fairly I know. He knocks out his son Frederick,

unconscious. Secretaries, Assistant. Yeah, Seward son says Assistant Secretary of State Frederick W. Stewart. He was knocked out by the revolver it. He was supposed to get shot by it, put it up to his forehead and it misfired. So we just ended up bludgeoning him with it. He eventually made it up to

Seward and attempted to stab at sewers face and neck. He sliced his cheek open, but the splint that he had on his neck, it was Fidan he had a broken jaw outside, oh is fitted to his jaw in prevented the blade from penetrating his jugular vein. Wow, I know. Isn't that cool? That's crazy. And he eventually recovered, but he had a whole bunch of serious scars on his face. And then I'm just gonna read the last paragraph because it has a lot of information,

David

but there were cool scars I bear with the chicks dug them. Chicks dig scars.

Leila

Augustus and Sergeant George F. Robinson, a soldier assigned to Seward were alerted by fanning screams and received stab wounds in struggling Powell. As Augustus went for the pistol Powell ran downstairs to the door where he encountered Emmerich Hansel a State Department messenger How will stabbed Hansel in the back then ran outside exclaiming, I'm mad I'm mad. screams from the house had frightened Harold who ran off leaving Powell to find his own way in unfamiliar city.

Isn't that crazy? Yeah. And then ads right? Going like I drunk.

David

Old drunky MC adds a rod Yeah.

Leila

Boosted assigned him to kill the Vice President Andrew Johnson. Andrew Johnson was state staying in the Kirkwood house at this point, which is just a like hotel. Okay, pretty much and George adds rot decided to just get the room above Andrew Johnson. And he had a whole time that he was gonna go kill them and everything. But he ended up going down to the bar and getting very drunk and talked to the bartender about his plan. But he didn't say anything super bad. He didn't

say he was gonna like, kill him or anything. But he did talk very suspiciously about the vice president. Yeah, so he was he was like a in this Wikipedia page but I do know that the bartender ended up calling authorities on him because I've read a lot of stuff on this

David

so booth so they went he went into the bar and he was like he was like so so allegedly in Minecraft. And in Roblox I don't like the president in Roblox why so when you're when you're talking about something and you have to make sure that people don't think you're serious? You have to say, Oh, yeah. Like, I'm gonna burn down this house and Minecraft, you know? You can't just gotta say allegedly before Are everything

Leila

Yeah, but he eventually got very drunk and wandered out into the streets tossing his knife away at some point and made his way out of the Pennsylvania House Hotel by 2am. We obtained a room and went to sleep. He didn't say this, but he did have a gun and a knife on him. No

David

went up to the bar. So yeah, yeah, I guess he just so

Leila

he had plans, but he just didn't do it. Right, you got to chickened out and just went out drunk.

David

So I looked up, I looked up the suit, the guy with the scars, the Seward. And not great pictures, obviously, because it's back. And way back when? Early 1200 BC. So I looked up and scars wouldn't help this dude. Said chicks dig scars. Yeah. This guy is no, not a not a handsome fellow. Oh, wow. See? Yeah, the Lincoln assassination was like I've said, Oh, I think you know, a whole lot more than I do about it, which is really

Leila

interested in it, right? Because we what we did in class is we did an assignment on all of the perpetrators for Lincoln, a perpetrator or the the theories around, John Wright had to come to our own conclusion, and what you think is the most reasonable for both of them, and then we had to look at the what do you call them? Court know, the things that like overlap. coincidences. Yeah. Coincidental between both synchronicities

David

you could say that word. You know? What was this? Synergy? That's the one I hate. Oh, yeah, we need to synergize with the Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. Yes. And it's synergy. The concept I understand. Yeah. I just don't like that, like so many business people. Um, yeah, we need to think out the box and synergize. And they just had it's one of the buzz words that they use. And it's super annoying.

Leila

Just say work as a happy family. You can say it

David

got hijacked by people doing pet charging 500 Dogs dollars for how to make more money in your business speech is what bothers me. The online courses. Yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, $97 to talk to for an hour. And then you buy my book, which is $400. But yeah, so we're not I don't I genuinely don't think we're ever going to have the whole story on JFK. Nope. I think that there was a lot of people who had a grudge against the man. And I think that a lot of powerful people colluded to

take out somebody who was a thorn in their side. Yeah. That's just my, my, my two cents on it. And I may or may not actually believe that. Oh, I don't know. Who knows. It's speculation, silly speculation Saturday. You're so good at this, but it does. I do believe time travelers were involved.

Leila

Yeah, I actually believe that there was a wizard. I was a wizard is a wizard. My opinion. Yeah.

David

There's been a lot of fiction about time travelers going back to that event. There was Stephen King wrote a book, it was actually more about dancing. Then it was about the assassination. But a time traveller went back, it was called 1122 63. And it was pretty good book, you can kind of skim over the dancing parts. Yeah, but they made a movie about it, too. But um, he basically this guy can go back in time, to a set point in the past. And then he come back to

his time to see the result of anything changes. But every time he goes back in time, it resets to the original timeline. So like, let's say, I think he has to go back like five years before the assassination. Like so like, he goes back to that time, lives for five years, in that time, tries to stop the assassination fails, goes back to the portal where he can come back to our time. And then if he goes back through the portal, he's back five years before the assassination again, so he has

to wait five more years for the assassination. So he has to keep keep trying different things. And but he's progressively getting older as he does it, because his his actual real life biology is continually getting older. Anyway, it's a pretty good book. Little long and parts as Stephen King does. But there's a really cool part where the guy who teaches them about the portal to go back in time. He's a butcher. And he keeps going back through the portal and buying really fresh good

meat. That's like, from you know, he buys it from a butcher. And it's super cheap because it's back in the 50s. So he takes money from he goes to the bank finds money that's old enough that they'll accept it in the 50s. Right? He goes, the bank gets that money, he goes back in time and buys all this really good beef, brings it to his butcher shop or restaurant, and then cooks it, and then sells it for really cheap in our time. So he basically found it extremely sought cheap source of

really good organic beef. And he's serving in his restaurants and like putting all the other places out of business because they can't compete with them. So he's using time travel to, you know, have just make some really good burgers, which is an excellent use of time travel. Anyway, the story ends up every time he tries to stop the assassination, he comes back to his time, everything's all messed up. Because butterfly

effect. So that's a good one. And then what's the show? In comic book series, Umbrella Academy, had a whole season based on them trying to stop the assassination. Or trying to keep it keep it in law. I can't remember. It's been a long time since I've watched it. But it involved the JFK assassination and the ramifications of him either not getting assassinated or getting assassinated. Some people believe that if he had not gotten assassinated, we would have had a nuclear war.

Yeah, so wait, you know, we'll we'll never know, we'll never know, we'll never know. So it may have been a good thing. I hate to say that. But when people are in, have the power to make huge decisions on the world stage. Little changes in their life can have extremely bad or good effects for the world. So get anything else? Nope.

Leila

I just think this is way more interesting than the JFK assassination.

David

Well, we can do we can do a whole it doesn't have to be a silly speculation. We can do a whole thing on Lincoln, because I'd like you to teach me about it. Because you actually, you think kind of like I do. So you would bring up the parts that I would find trust. Yeah.

Leila

I think it's cool with like, the whole boarding house thing that Mary had. Right,

David

this LAN, excellent story. I bet there's a bit there's like movies about it, probably probably will find something. But uh, I'd highly recommend you go watch. I think it's like 30 minutes long or whatever the why people think the government killed JFK video, he does a really good job. And he has lots of good sources. I also have some links in the show notes, the single bullet theory impossible and the single bullet

theory proven to contradicting things. And then the link to that secret service agent who brings up the new claims about assassination. We got a lot of good links in the show notes of this episode. Was it good? And yeah, hopefully next week, we'll be I'll be using Linux full time. Hopefully

Leila

next week. I will sound better. Yeah.

David

You got to tell. You got to tell folks what you got going on. Nah, nah. Okay. Secret. Yeah. Yeah, you don't want to be I don't want to tell people where you're going to be. Yeah. out in public. Yeah. Anyway. Everybody have a fantastic weekend. And this has been silly speculation Saturday's

Leila

has been David with silly speculation Saturday.

David

And Leila apparently I believe

Leila

you accepted on last episode. It was

David

an accident but once it said it said you can't unring a bell. by everybody.

Leila

Wait, we got to make our own because this is

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David

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