Merry Christmas, Exvies! Do you ever feel out of place at your deeply religious family's holiday celebrations? We know the feeling. For this special holiday edition of the podcast, we're joined by our friends Jessica Goforth and Zach Malm to talk about how Christmas has evolved over the course of our shifts away from Christianity and share some of our coping strategies when the religious traditions take over the festivities. Jessica's Naughty Holiday Playlist (Spotify) Jessica's Naughty Holiday ...
Dec 24, 2024•1 hr 39 min•Season 2Ep. 16
The biggest Broadway musical adaptation has hit the big screen, and for some reason Evangelicals have some thoughts on it. Our dear friend Jessica Goforth from the Leaving the Village podcast sat down with us to chat about the new movie, Wicked: Part 1 . We spend a chunk of the episode talking about musical theatre in general, along with some other Wicked- adjacent topics, so if you want to jump straight into our conversation about Wicked itself, skip straight to 37:40. Nate recently wrote an es...
Nov 27, 2024•2 hr 16 min•Season 2Ep. 15
A few members of the Dauntless Media Collective team—Gail from Full Mutuality, Jessica from Leaving the Village, Maggie from Hello Deconstructionists, Nate from Full Mutuality, and Scott from Chapel Probation and Horny Chapel—shared their raw, unedited, and unfiltered reactions to the 2024 election results. If you're looking for Exvangelical community online, please feel free to join the Dauntless Media Discord server at dauntless.fm/discord-server . Content Warning 2025 is taking place in Atlan...
Nov 12, 2024•2 hr•Season 2Ep. 14
Maggie Harrigan, host of the podcast Hello Deconstructionists and creator behind the Instagram account of the same name joins Nate and Gail for a fun conversation about healing from religious trauma, deconstruction, and the power of storytelling in building community after leaving evangelicalism. TRIGGER WARNING: there are a ton of references to contemporary Christian music of the 2000's and early 2010's. Subscribe to Maggie's podcast at dauntless.fm/hellodeconstructionists . Follow Maggie's Ins...
Aug 01, 2024•1 hr 19 min•Season 2Ep. 13
To wrap up AAPI History Month, friend of the show Scott Okamoto joins Gail and Nate to share about his family's history during the years that Japanese Americans were incarcerated in concentration camps in the western part of the US and Canada. Also, as one of the hosts of the podcast Asians in Baseball , Scott needed to be tested on his knowledge of Asians in other sports, so listen all the way through for a little trivia on Japanese athletes in hockey and English soccer! Resources mentioned in ...
May 30, 2024•2 hr•Season 2Ep. 12
Professor of Law Kimberly Mutcherson joins Gail and Nate to discuss the history of abortion access in the US, the current landscape of women's healthcare, and the need for reproductive justice in the pro-choice conversation. Professor Mutcherson was the former co-host of the Anthem-Award-winning podcast— The Power of Attorney —which is produced by Rutgers Law School . Follow Professor Mutcherson on Bluesky: @professormutch . Resources mentioned in this episode: Randall Balmer - "The Religious Ri...
Feb 15, 2024•1 hr 39 min•Season 2Ep. 11
Happy Valentine's Day! On today's episode, Gail and Nate talk about what happens when you love everyone and everything else more than God. Oh, and be sure to check out the Content Warning event taking place in Portland this weekend! Tickets are available at contentwarningevent.com . If you're looking for support for religious trauma survivors, check out the Reclamation Collective at reclamationcollective.com . --- Follow us on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality and on Instagram at @fullmutuality ....
Feb 14, 2024•1 hr 2 min
In the third part of our miniseries, "My Cult Was in a Documentary," Eric Skwarczynski joins the show to talk about his work investigating the Independent Fundamental Baptists and about the Max/Investigation Discovery docuseries Let Us Prey: A Ministry of Scandals . Eric's Links: Instagram | @preacherboysdoc Preacher Boys podcast | website Film School'd podcast | Apple Podcasts Let Us Prey: Watch on Investigation Discovery Watch on Max --- Follow us on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality and on Ins...
Feb 01, 2024•1 hr 45 min•Season 2Ep. 10
Dr. Camille Lewis joins Gail and Nate to share her story of growing up in the IFB, her life at Bob Jones University, the controversies that forced her to leave, and her ongoing work analyzing and reporting on BJU and the larger world of fundamentalism. Read Dr. Lewis' story of leaving BJU here . Follow Dr. Lewis' ongoing reporting and analysis of BJU and fundamentalism here . --- Follow us on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality and on Instagram at @fullmutuality . Join the conversation in our Disco...
Jan 18, 2024•1 hr 35 min•Season 2Ep. 9
Our good friend Jessica Goforth joins us to talk about her reactions to the Amazon Prime series Shiny Happy People , which exposes some of the abuses in the Christian cult known as IBLP or ATI. Jessica is the host of the podcast Leaving the Village , where she shares her own story of surviving IBLP and interviews others who have also escaped the cult she grew up in. You can subscribe to her podcast at dauntless.fm/leavingthevillage . --- Follow us on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality and on Insta...
Jan 02, 2024•1 hr 37 min•Season 2Ep. 8
Nate and Gail return for an update on life. We discuss weddings (especially the problems with evangelical ones), current events, Palestine and Israel (briefly), meeting people you've made friends with online, building new community after leaving toxic spaces, how to not fall into previous traps that people often take out of evangelicalism into their deconstruction, binary thinking, and what TV shows and some podcasts we have been listening to. A little bit of everything. --- Follow us on Faceboo...
Dec 21, 2023•1 hr 50 min•Season 2Ep. 7
Rabbi Ariann Weitzman spends some time addressing a few of the common misconceptions Christians have about Jews and educating us about the relationship between the two religions. This insightful conversation is among our favorite episodes, and we hope you find it as helpful and informative as we did! Bnai Keshet Reconstructionist Synagogue Four Common Misunderstandings about Judaism --- Follow us on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality and on Instagram at @fullmutuality . Join the conversation in ou...
Aug 24, 2023•1 hr 47 min•Season 2Ep. 6
On this episode we are joined by Christopher Peterman, a former student at Bob Jones University who organized the first ever student-run protest at BJU. Chris shares his own story of abuse at BJU and the severe trauma that motivated him to stand up to the administration at the self-proclaimed "Fortress of Faith." Further Reading: "Bob Jones University Blamed Victims of Sexual Assaults, Not Abusers, Report Says," The New York Times "Rape victims say Bob Jones University told them to repent," Al J...
Aug 03, 2023•1 hr 54 min•Season 2Ep. 5
Gail and Nate discuss a bit about the history of Bob Jones University, its influence on the Evangelical world at large, and the odd extremism it's known for. Rick Pidcock joins in to provide some updates on the university and share some thoughts about the possible future of the institution. Sources: Bob Jones University v. United States "The Real Origins of the Religious Right," Politico "Billy Graham had a rocky relationship with Bob Jones University and its past presidents," Greenville Online ...
Jul 27, 2023•1 hr 20 min•Season 2Ep. 4
Nothing upsets manly men quite like stepping beyond the gender norms, and stay-at-home dads are a great way to get them all riled up. In this episode, we chat with our friends Rick and Scott, who share some insights into their lives as stay-at-home dads and what it says about their masculinity. Spoiler alert: it says nothing, except that maybe they're not all that insecure in it. Scott Okamoto: Website | rscottokamoto.com Podcast | Chapel Probation Book | Asian American Apostate Rick Pidcock: We...
Jul 13, 2023•1 hr 16 min•Season 2Ep. 3
Janice Lagata returns! Janice and Nate were both members of Hillsong NYC until they left in 2017, and since then their former church has been the subject of numerous exposés and documentaries. The latest, The Secrets of Hillsong by FX and Vanity Fair dives into their disgraced former pastor, Carl Lentz. Though Janice isn't exactly thrilled with how the series handled the subject matter... Links: Janice: " The Secrets of Hillsong : An Open Letter to the Director" Nate: "The People that Matter" Ja...
Jul 03, 2023•1 hr 48 min•Season 2Ep. 2
Scott Okamoto is back!!! And this time, he's bringing a book with him. The author of the newly released Asian American Apostate joins Gail and Nate to talk about his own journey that led to this book, his career as a professor at an Evangelical university, and how sorry he feels for English grammar perfectionists. Asian American Apostate : Bookshop.org Amazon Kobo Scott on the internet: Website: rscottokamoto.com Podcast: chapelprobation.dauntless.fm Instagram: @rsokamoto Twitter: @rsokamoto ---...
Apr 18, 2023•1 hr 19 min•Season 2Ep. 1
On our Season 1 finale, Gail and Nate sit down with Angie Kay Hong, writer, worship leader, critical convener, and one of the co-founders of Kinship Commons . Angie discusses the different ways purity culture further targets women of color uniquely to how it targets White women. She also commiserates with Nate on their shared love for the comfort foods of their respective cultures. Follow Angie: Instagram | @angiekayhong Substack | Angie's Messages Some of Angie's Writing: Angie's article in The...
Mar 16, 2023•1 hr 40 min•Season 1Ep. 30
On today's episode, Scott Okamoto from the Chapel Probation podcast co-hosts with Nate for a special Asian-American-themed episode. Nate and Scott are joined by Naomi Ko and May Lee-Yang , two of the co-founders of the Funny Asian Woman Kollective (FAWK). Naomi and May share about their work in comedy, their experiences as Asian-American women, and participate in a roundtable conversation with Nate and Scott about their shared and distinct experiences as Asian Americans. Funny Asian Woman Kollec...
Mar 16, 2023•1 hr 14 min•Season 1Ep. 29
On this episode, Gail and Nate take a look at some of the big news that rocked the Evangelical world the last couple weeks. They also give a peek behind the scenes at what it takes to make the podcast and share some of the history of how the podcast came into existence. --- Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality , on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality , and on Instagram at @fullmutuality . Join the conversation in our Discord server at dauntless.fm/discord-server . Visit fullmutuality.com for more...
Mar 16, 2023•1 hr 37 min•Season 1Ep. 28
On February 23, 2023, the Asbury "revival services" will reach their climactic conclusion as men like Francis Chan, Rick Warren, and worship leaders from the International House of Prayer descend onto the stage of Hughes Auditorium on the campus of Asbury University in the small rural community of Wilmore, Kentucky. Many are in awe of the seeming spontaneity of these services, which began on February 8. People from around the world have been watching this surprising event. But just how "spontane...
Feb 23, 2023•1 hr 24 min•Season 1Ep. 27
We conclude our roundtable conversation in this episode with the last two points in Steven Hassan's BITE model of authoritarian control and how Evangelicalism fits these descriptions. We also took a little bit of time to address the "He Gets Us" ad campaign that has the Evangelical world simultaneously giddy and furious. As a bonus, we wrap up with a few of the cornier Christian catchphrases we could think of. If you've got any more, swing by the Dauntless Media Collective Discord server and sha...
Feb 14, 2023•1 hr•Season 1Ep. 26
In part 2 of our roundtable conversation with Janice Lagata, we begin working our way through Steven Hassan's BITE model of authoritarian control and take a look at how our various experiences in different Evangelical groups fall under the categories listed in the BITE model. Janice: Website | janicelagata.com Instagram | @godhasnotgiven Podcast | God Has Not Given Book | A Seriously Hilarious, Surprisingly Heartfelt, Completely Unauthorized Musical Parody: Act One Patreon | Janice Lagata on Pat...
Jan 31, 2023•1 hr 10 min•Season 1Ep. 25
Nate and Gail are joined by Dr. Brad Onishi, professor at Skidmore College who teaches and researches Christian nationalism and the history of White Evangelicalism. Brad is one of the hosts of the Straight White American Jesus podcast, a religion and politics show that analyzes the Christian nationalist movement in the United States. Brad's new book, Preparing for War: The Extremist History of White Christian Nationalism–And What Comes Next traces the history of the religious movements that led ...
Jan 17, 2023•1 hr 12 min•Season 1Ep. 24
Our good friend Janice Lagata from God Has Not Given joins Gail and Nate for a roundtable conversation discussing the question, "Is Evangelicalism a cult?" In the first part of our conversation, we introduce the topic and touch on Steven Hassan's BITE model of authoritarian control . Links mentioned in the episode: ‘An Evangelical Childhood is a Total Mindfuck’ New Memoir Recounts the Anxiety and Thrills of Growing Up a Conservative Christian Evangelical Anxiety: A Memoir by Charles Marsh Janice...
Jan 10, 2023•49 min•Season 1Ep. 23
Producer's note: This episode contains discussions of sexual assault by clergy and child sex abuse by clergy. Listener discretion is advised. Former Hillsong Church member and author of the book People in Glass Houses: An Insider's Story of a Life In and Out of Hillsong Tanya Levin sits down with Gail and Nate to talk about her experience at Hillsong in Australia from its founding and what she has learned in the years since. Tanya is also the host of the popular podcast Leaving Hillsong , where ...
Dec 29, 2022•1 hr 44 min•Season 1Ep. 22
Musician and Co-Host of the podcast Veterans of Culture Wars Zach Malm joins Gail and Nate to share the story of his involvement at the infamous Mars Hill Church and how he helped to bring it down. The wide-ranging conversation delves into his experience with the disgraced pastor Mark Driscoll and the stories that made up the website We Love Mars Hill . You can find all of Zach's podcast, social media, and other websites on linktr.ee/vcwpod . --- Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutual ity , on Face...
Aug 18, 2022•1 hr 56 min•Season 1Ep. 21
English professor and author Cynthia Vacca Davis joins Gail and Nate to discuss her new book, Intersexion , Her book tells the dual narrative of Danny, an intersex AFAB man who was born and raised in a conservative Christian environment, and Cynthia herself, facing the forfeiture of her dream job thanks to a Christian university's stance on LGBTQIA+ people. To purchase Cynthia's book, visit one of the following links: Bookshop.org | https://bookshop.org/books/intersexion-a-story-of-faith-identit...
Aug 02, 2022•1 hr 14 min•Season 1Ep. 20
Educator and writer Jo Luehmann joins Nate and Gail to discuss her work in deconstructing and decolonizing Christianity. The conversation follows a wide range of topics, from harmful practices of the church to adoption and foster care to abortion and education. Jo: •Website | joluehmann.com •TikTok | @joluehmann •Twitter | @joluehmann •Instagram | @joluehmann •Facebook | fb.com/joluehmann •YouTube | youtube.com/c/JoLuehmannX •Patreon | patreon.com/joluehmann --- Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutu...
Jul 20, 2022•1 hr 35 min•Season 1Ep. 19
Gail and Nate reflect on their first set of episodes, talk about what's in the future for the podcast, and give an update on Dauntless Media Collective. Join the Dauntless Media Collective Discord Server by visiting discord.gg/GxmYTRA2US. For more content from our friends, visit dauntless.fm . To join Full Mutuality as a partner, visit our Patreon page at patreon.com/fullmutuality . To give a one-time gift, visit our Buy-Me-A-Coffee page at buymeacoffee.com/fullmutuality . Follow us on Twitter a...
Jul 12, 2022•54 min
