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Bonus: A US shale pioneer on the Middle East war

Apr 18, 202616 min
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Summary

The Iran War has caused the worst oil supply crisis in history, impacting global markets and creating physical shortages due to the Strait of Hormuz blockage. Shale pioneer Scott Sheffield and his son Bryan discuss the conflict's ramifications, including the US's energy independence, rising domestic prices, and the industry's push for overseas exploration. The episode also explores the long-term future of fossil fuels and the increasing focus on energy security and diversification.

Episode description

Global oil markets have faced historic disruption since the Iran war began in February. The FT’s Jamie Smyth speaks with shale pioneer Scott Sheffield and his son Bryan about energy security and why the crisis could reshape the future for oil and gas. 


Correction April 23, 2026: While Mike Sommers, CEO of the American Petroleum Institute, stressed the importance of restoring traffic through the Strait of Hormuz. The API would like to clarify that the group does not have an opinion on the US government’s deployment of American troops to Iran.


Mentioned in this podcast:

Trump administration urges US oil bosses to increase drilling

Fracking pioneers look overseas as US shale revolution goes global 

‘As big as Saudi Arabia’: the Permian oilman who sold Pioneer to Exxon 


Note: The FT does not use generative AI to voice its podcasts 


This episode was hosted and produced by Michela Tindera. It was edited by Victoria Craig. Our show was mixed by Sam Giovinco. Additional help from Gavin Kallman. Our executive producer is Topher Forhecz. Cheryl Brumley is the FT’s Global Head of Audio. The show’s theme music is by Metaphor Music. 


Read a transcript of this episode on FT.com

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Transcript

Iran War's Global Oil Market Impact

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Since the beginning of the Iran War, global oil markets have experienced a seismic shock. The conflict has sparked what the head of the International Energy Agency calls the worst oil supply crisis in history. Shipping traffic in the Strait of Hormuz has been effectively stifled, although both Iran and the United States have expressed some willingness to reopen the strait. Parts of the world are already grappling with higher gas prices and energy shortages.

I'm Michela Tendera, and today on a special edition of the FT News Briefing, we're taking a deep dive into how the oil sector is coping with this unprecedented disruption.

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Jamie Smith is the FT's US energy editor, and he's been focused on making sense of this constantly changing situation in the oil and gas industry. Hi, Jamie.

A

Hello, Makala.

C

We're sitting down on a Friday afternoon after the US and Iran both said they wanted to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. But there's still disagreement and a lot's up in the air here. Can you just recap for us a bit? You know, since the war began in February, what has the impact of that been on oil?

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What we're seeing is the Iran war has created this blockage in the Strait of Hormuz. That's this narrow waterway between Iran and Oman, which carries about a fifth of the world oil and about a fifth of the world's liquefied natural gas. So Iran started firing missiles at tankers and that sort of shut things down. And then the US set up its own blockade to prevent Iranian tankers from getting out and providing oil to China and India.

So that brought all oil and gas shipments out of the strait to a total standstill. So by blocking this strait, essentially you were forcing up prices all around the world. of oil, of liquefied natural gas, of petrol, diesel, jet fuel. And we're beginning to see shortages in Asia and

People think this is gonna spread to other parts of the world, Europe and even the United States within weeks. Now we're beginning to see uh willingness from the United States and Iran to reopen the strait. There are moves to go about doing this, but it's all uncertain and we're not quite clear yet how it's going to proceed.

C

So this war's impact on oil markets is reaching historic proportions. But how does this compare to other events from the past?

A

So the last big impact that we saw on markets was the Russia Ukraine war in twenty twenty two, but that actually didn't create a physical shortage of oil. Not like we're seeing now. This is unprecedented because we're seeing a huge physical shortage and that's really impacting markets. The oil producers are finding it difficult to get their products to market because of the blockage in the Strait of Hormuz.

some of their facilities have become under attack. That has a huge impact on global market.

Shale Pioneer's Iranian Roots

I really wanted to talk to some oil industry executives who've been around in the industry and that's why I reached out to Scott Sheffield and his son Brian. is really an important figure within the US oil industry. He played a critical role in the fracking and horizontal drilling boom in the two thousands. He actually has lived in Iran. Uh he moved there in the nineteen sixties when his father was sent to Tehran. He was a petroleum engineer.

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And my father he was an engineer with Arco, Atlantic Ridgefield. He got the family together one Sunday in Houston, and said we're being transferred over to Tehran, Iran, And I loved history and so it reminded me of the Persian Empire going back to Darius Xerxes. Went over there when I was thirteen, entered the ninth grade.

played American football on the US Embassy grounds. I learned how to snow ski, one of my favorite sports over there. I loved traveling to the Tehran Bazaar with my mother, learned how to negotiate with merchants and and shop owners and the Tehran Bazaar, probably one of the largest in the world. I loved Iranian culture, Iranian people and Iranian food. I will always remember one of the trips my father took me on. I was about sixteen. He took me down to Carg Island.

A

Now that is the center of Iran's oil and gas industry. There's lots and lots of facilities there, storage facilities, refineries, and that's come under heavy missile attack during the US-Iran War.

E

I remember it was flat, desolate. Uh there was a lot of tanks, large storage tanks. There was no really any military there at that point in time.

A

Yeah. I think the whole experience of living in Iran really impacted Scott. You know, it's something that he's brought up before in lots of conversations that we've had.

E

Living in a foreign country is much different than um visiting countries. Most Americans, as we all know, travel abroad but they don't they never get a chance to live in a foreign country. So you learn to work with the people and adopt their culture. You just can't take the US culture into a foreign country. You gotta learn to eat their foods, learn to work with their government. It's really important to establish yourself that way. And that probably was the greatest lesson I learned.

C

So Jamie, it sounds like Scott's unique experience growing up. really taught him a lot and shaped how he eventually did business in the oil industry. And he's best known for being a pioneer of fracking and horizontal drilling in the US. So tell me more about that.

A

He's really considered one of the fathers of the so-called Shale Revolution. He sold his business, Pioneer Natural Resources, to Exxon in 2023 for$60 billion. So the Shield Revolution was based on a new technology of fracking and horizontal drilling, which enabled oil producers to dig into the earth and split the rock. to access oil and gas that previously had been unobtainable.

And that really transformed America from being a net oil importer to a net oil exporter. And that's really boosted the independence of the United States. now compared to what it was like in the nineteen seventies, when it was really dependent on Middle Eastern oil.

US Shale's Future: Overseas

C

Right. But you know, I think a lot of our listeners might be hearing about this energy independence you're mentioning here and wonder, you know. If the US has this dominant position thanks to shale, why am I seeing higher gas prices right now?

A

One of the interesting things about the United States is it's a wash with oil and gas. It is the biggest oil and gas producer in the world. What we're seeing is that United States oil is much in demand. A lot of Asian customers are turning to America. They're buying up US oil and other petroleum products such as diesel and gasoline and bringing them off to fill the shortage in Asia.

And what that means is that actually petrol prices have risen quite sharply here in the United States and diesel prices have also risen sharply.

C

Now, Jamie Scott's son Brian, who's also in the oil business, he's a significant shareholder in an energy business with assets in Australia. You talked to him back at the beginning of the year, and he said that American oil producers need to look elsewhere for oil, that we've reached a peak, which really threatens this energy independence idea, doesn't it? What does Brian say about this now?

A

Yes, Brian's view is that the United States is running out of inventory. It's running out of the best drilling prospects that we've seen in the shield patch. And that's why companies will need to go overseas now. And as Brian told me, he sees real opportunity in Venezuela, where the US earlier this year forced regime change and where President Trump has expressed interest in encouraging American companies. to go explore and drill for more oil resources.

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We as an industry running out of inventory. in our fields in America for the past few years. We've added more rigs, we're drilling longer, which means we're ripping through our inventory even faster. And that's what makes Venezuela interesting.

There's infrastructure everywhere, right? And there's fields everywhere. And by the way, there are service companies there. So a lot of checks in the boxes, but it it it it's like, will the politics stay in place? Are they gonna be pro oil and gas? Are they gonna be pro America?

A

So what some of the shale entrepreneurs say is now's the time to go overseas, go to Argentina, go to Australia, go to the Middle East, other areas where there are possibilities to bring American fracking technology and know how and exploit the resources in other countries.

C

Yeah, that seems like something that's already been on Scott and Brian's mind.

Oil Industry on Iran Conflict

So when it comes to Iran, what does Scott think about the Trump administration's decision to go to war and the way that that's affected the oil industry?

A

Yes, I asked him about that and whether President Trump was right to start this war in the first place. And this is what he told me.

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I want the ability for people to travel back to Iran. I would like to go back someday. So I'm a firm believer in regime change. It's gonna be hard, but people want a democratic country there, I promise ya. I hope he can achieve it. It's gonna be tough. He's gotta solve the straight of our moves. He has to get it open.

We can't let Iran control the Strait of Armuz. We have to open that up. It's gotta be probably a joint force with Europe and with Asia eventually to open that up. And with the other Persian Gulf countries around the Arabian Gulf. And the same with Venezuela. I was glad to see what he did with Maduro and Venezuela.

A

I asked both Scott and Brian whether what's happening with the Strait of Hormuz is an existential threat to their industry.

F

I I do think that things will change. There's gonna be less buy-in in the Persian Gulf over time. There needs to be diversification. So it's gonna get everyone to rethink everything.

E

I'm very positive that something's gonna happen over the next few weeks. that opens up the strait. My personal belief is that NATO will come in, countries in Europe will eventually come in. under that scenario, so we don't see a hundred and forty to hundred and fifty dollar oil. The world can't afford it. It's not good for the um world. It's not good for the world's economy.

So I think we'll do everything we can to control the strait with joint forces, even if it means um putting troops on the ground around the strait of our mood.

C

Jamie, have you interviewed anyone else in the industry who shares the same view as Scott that there should be, as he said, troops on the ground?

A

I think the oil industry was not cheerleading for this war to go ahead. It was an extremely risky operation which the Trump administration pushed ahead with. One of the big problems was that over the last twenty years, successive United States administrations have done role playing and they've looked and they've shown that the Strait of Hormuz was a critical choke point which could bring the world to its knees in terms of energy supplies.

And the oil industry knew this and it had told the administration, and yet the administration went ahead anyway with this war. And I think that was of grave concern to the oil and gas industry. But once the war started, The industry itself. Felt I think that you know, at all costs, the United States has to reopen this straight and make sure that.

tankers of oil and l liquefied natural gas and other products can pass through the strait and they can't leave the Iranians in control. I did an interview with the head of the American Petroleum Institute. Mike Summers, and he told me that the United States had to do everything possible to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. and end this war. And that included the concept that boots on the ground might be necessary.

C

Just a note that the White House has said it had no option but to attack Iran to prevent it from developing a nuclear weapon, a claim denied by the Iranian leadership.

Redefining Energy Security Future

Now, Jamie, another thing that's come out of this war is the question of what effect this is gonna have on the medium and long-term future of the fossil fuel industry.

A

Yes, the loss of twenty percent of the world's oil supplies, twenty percent of the world's liquefied natural gas, is a huge shock. And what it's showing governments is that energy security is really key and being dependent on fuel from a volatile part of the world is r is a risky business. So I asked the Sheffields this question about whether the Iran war will be the end of oil dominance as we know it. And this is what Brian said.

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The world's gonna look at us a lot different in a positive way. They need us, they need independence, we need these resources to help lift poverty and it's just an education. And yes, we need to be good stewards and environment. We just need to be proactive as an industry to be better. And this war is gonna make everyone focused. Like people want cheap energy.

Right. And I think it's just really gonna help natural gas. There's so much natural gas out there and we need to go find it. That's what this business is about. It's a treasure hunt. We're gonna continue to find that treasure to deliver to the consumer.

C

Jamie, what's your reporting shown on this?

A

I think what's going to happen is that governments are going to look at their energy systems and they're going to try and ensure that they use as much homegrown energy as possible. And that probably means looking more at renewables, looking more at nuclear energy, and trying to reduce. their dependence on, you know, long supply chains for oil and gas all across the world. Now, it won't mean that there's going to be an immediate switch. That's impossible because our energy systems are all based

eighty percent on fossil fuels. So It's going to take time, but I think this is going to be another impetus which pushes us possibly towards a rather quicker energy transition away from fossil fuel.

C

This has been a really interesting conversation. And if listeners want to read more on this topic and past reporting on the Sheffields, you can check out the links in our show notes. Jamie Smith is the FT's US energy editor. Thanks for your time, Jamie.

A

It was great to be here.

C

This episode was edited by Victoria Craig. It was mixed by Sam Giovinco. It was produced and hosted by me, Michela Tendera. Our theme song is by Metaphor Music. Check back Monday for the latest business news from the Financial Times.

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